August 13, 2025 • 59 mins
Jack's back and he's still calling for karrigan's head... as well as Twistzz'... and EliGE's...Sam's just along for the ride in this week's episode of Overtime on Inferno, with tired Jack choosing excessive violence, there's little more for him to do than smile and wave.Join the discord:https://discord.gg/X3jU4djxUKCheck out Logan's newsletter:https://thestratbook.gg🎙️ Subscribe to the pod:https://readtldr.gg/podcast🗞️ Join +32K readers of our newsletter:https://readtldr.ggBecome a Counter-Strike demon:https://learncs.ggFollow your host and guests: https://twitter.com/AN1MOCS2https://twitter.com/novaHdesign Thumbnail Jazz by: https://twitter.com/jameshserpa 📌 Interested in advertising with us? Reach out to crew[a]readtldr.com00:00 Intro00:58 Heroic: -gr1ks +Alkaren08:12 EliGE and Twistzz Swap deal rumour19:52 Take of the week27:49 RUSH retires 36:03 YaLLa Compass goes bankrupt42:00 Blast Bounty50:35 Blast Bounty Finals52:04 EWC opening matchups 58:30 Outro
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(00:00):
So, Jack. Start again.
I got a Wet Wet stash. Let's go.
You got a wet stash, right? Well, that's staying in.
(00:21):
So Jack. Hi, Sam.
Welcome back. For one.
Thank you. Have a nice time in Cologne.
Yeah, great. You sound really convinced.
My it was my fourth, fourth yearin a row.
The event was cool, but you know, it's, it's work, you know,
same stuff. Yeah, it's pretty intense
couple. Weeks, yes, it's, it's long.
(00:43):
We didn't have the day off, so that was kind of tough.
Would you like a a question to be asked to you I.
Mean sure, I don't know if I'm allowed to answer it, but.
No, you, I assume you are. That's how we typically start a
podcast and you've never really had an issue answering before.
Those ones, yes. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, what if I was? Yeah.
(01:04):
So, Jack. Yeah.
What if, right? What if you were a pretty highly
rated up and coming upper and you had a load of offers to join
teams, respectable teams. You know, top 20 teams get to
play in all the big events and you, you turn them down because
(01:26):
you're your mates on a team. So you hold out for a move there
because you know it will come. And then you go to that team,
you play a couple of events, youplay OK and then they just bench
you out of the blue and just saythat your play style didn't
didn't fit the way that the teamwas shaping up.
What would you do? Am I smooth?
(01:48):
Yeah. In this case, no, you're not and
I don't. I don't think that's ever
anything to do with his his playstyle.
If I if I remember right, the quote something like I've only
ever been benched for my performances once.
True, Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah, I'd feel pretty
shit, but I'm sure there's validreasons, right?
(02:12):
Especially if you've signed someone like he's going to be on
the bench and getting paid so they must really, really see an
issue with the playstyles or? I'm just not really sure it is a
valid issue to be honest. Like I think we both agree,
right? You know, heroic, since the
Danish line up they've been pretty smart, done a pretty good
(02:33):
job. Yeah.
You know, they built 2 competitive teams.
Now one was obviously a bit morecompetitive than the other, but
two competitive teams and then they've obviously lost some
pyres and saw still don't reallyunderstand the benching of X
flower if you have to, if you have to fuck around roles in
(02:56):
order to make the team work. But this, this Greeks one like
fine, I imagine he didn't, he didn't cost much but like is
that not a massive scouting failure?
If a mum Finn you realise his play style doesn't fit.
Because he also hasn't like Fissile hasn't changed really
much from he was, he was Aurora before I think, right?
(03:21):
As one of them shit teams, you know.
Like, like he hopes the same wayreally.
So like did they in the sky process to to think, oh, we'll
ask him, we'll try and teach himhow to open a different way.
And then he didn't succeed at that because I mean, again, that
that's just silly, right? It's asking like, you know what
you're getting to a degree even as a young player, like you
still need to. But like.
(03:43):
Accommodate. Even then, man, like a month all
right. I think it was 40 days .71 FN S
S to be exact. That meme is a die, by the way.
No, I think that meme's great. No, I hate it.
I can't lie. I like that meme.
I've always liked that. Crap.
It's crap. No, no, it's good.
How many people watching nowadays actually you know who
(04:05):
FNS is? I don't give a fuck.
Exactly, it's just it's just cringe.
Oh when NA shitter was on a teamfor not a long time you shit.
Right sorry even even then rightlike 40 days to change your play
style like ultimate still struggling now and he's been on
(04:27):
the team for a year. Oh, he plays really well.
Yeah, he still plays like a fucking idiot.
Like it's. Just a bit bad, isn't he A.
Little bit. That's good.
He has good games. We reduce it and he's like, Oh
yeah, maybe, maybe he's not bad.And then he forgets how to hold
a mouse. Yeah, but I just yeah, I just, I
just don't really get this move from heroic.
(04:48):
And then no, they've they've replaced Griks with Alcorin from
Spirit not. A prison from Harry Potter.
No, it might be actually, but like if have you have you looked
at Alcorin's stats? I.
Haven't. No, I just know that he's like
(05:10):
17. One point O8 rating, I believe
it is one point O 7 rating last three months 2020, 2025 we're
looking at my Internet is reallygood today.
But he was on a team with Jessica, right?
(05:30):
OK fine, Shiro's on a team with Dunk and that's a 1.23.
Yeah, she was obviously a lot better than yeah.
Yeah, but no. But like the point is, is it's
like it's relative terms, isn't it?
Yeah, is the is his I mean I've never watched him play like is
(05:52):
his play style that that perfectfor for for heroics plans?
Like I don't really I don't know.
I. Don't know.
I just, I just feel like I'd be wanting a little bit more out of
an operating Tier 2 if I'm goingto bring him up to tier one.
Yeah, Like we we know that the AUP jump is specifically the
hardest jump. So if this guy is like not
(06:15):
really cutting it in the roll inTier 2, what's the expectation
is? This going to be like like like
a head trick type thing where they're just like, oh, like, OK,
so Kyle Suitkiss last spirit Academy and they're like, Oh
well, honestly left Navi Academy.
So I guess this hat trick guy will also be a great opera, you
know, do you know what I mean? He'll also be a young talent
and, and obviously he's not, he's better.
(06:38):
He's not bad. He's probably better than our
Corinne by a long way. Well, head trick, yeah, yeah,
but he was dog on it for a long time.
But like like when he first leftTier 2, the tier would be Do you
know what I mean though? I always.
Feel like you were a bit harder on head trick because you like
Nip so much. No, I, I, I wanted him to do
(07:00):
well. I just don't think he did.
But my point being is like just because 1 prospect has left that
Academy team and and like, you know, Kisuke was one of the best
players at Cologne even though they didn't even make playoffs,
like he was just fucking awesomehonestly.
He's obviously done his thing right?
Like, I don't think that necessarily means everyone from
that Academy team is going to bea superstar, you know?
(07:23):
Yeah, and I mean divide by always got from people 'cause I
ain't watching Academy teams. Like let's not, let's not fuck
about here. We have jobs, but the the vibe I
always got from people was that the actually impressive Academy
team was Navi and Spirit Academywas a one man army.
(07:46):
So yeah, interesting to see how it goes.
Don't think it will go particularly well for Heroic.
And they might be in their, I want to say Southampton arc.
I don't know if that makes senseto people, but it makes sense to
me. Oh, that's good enough mate.
I don't know. I.
Don't care not to explain it further.
(08:09):
I just think it's good that as long as Young Star's about, it's
a good time. He's he's good, good fun.
He's not been particularly good at the game, but he's just good
fun. Yeah, he's a fun bloke and
that's all that really matters. So you talk about a a transfer
of rumour that has happened. Speculation.
A bit of speculation. Let me get my your massive
(08:32):
specs. Get.
Your speculation specs, are they?
Are they suited and booted? Are you ready?
You must. They must be a real item.
Oh God, you searching? Oh, fucking hell.
I'd like to point out at this point that my Internet is
fucking terrible. Jack hasn't moved since I
(08:54):
pressed the report. I'm speculating.
You are speculating. OK, cool.
Bald Harry Potter. Cool because on my screen you
look mid sneeze, which is interesting because you haven't
yet sneezed. No on this podcast.
Curious. Yes, so OverDrive, the very
(09:15):
trusted source, has said that hehas heard about the fact that
Phase and Liquid might be swapping A lesion twist.
So Jack, wash your thoughts mate.
(09:35):
I'm adjusting my glasses just for those of you who are audio
listeners or some. Oh, me.
In this case, yeah. I think the move makes sense.
I don't think twist is going to particularly like fix phase.
Like I still think that team, asI said maybe 3-4 weeks ago now,
it needs to just fucking start again, probably around Frozen.
(09:56):
Maybe he's like, I mean bro, he was kid when he came back.
So maybe keep those two and start fresh.
I don't know. I just, I've been calling for
twists head on Liquid for a longtime.
Like I said, like him being the franchise player you build
around is not a good thing. So I'm praying like in every way
possible that at least we'll go to Liquid and I'll be vindicated
(10:17):
because they'll just be good. He'll just fix that team, which
is, you know, ironic consideringlike he's known as a bit of a
team ruiner, but could be fun. I don't know.
I think both of these teams are kind of dead.
Like I think liquid is more deadthan phase.
But you know, I don't know when,when you stop beating the dead
(10:37):
horse, you know I. Mean I'm kind of with.
It's horse because liquid you get that that was.
Yeah, that was awful. I've been saying for a while,
you know, one of these teams needs a Roschemer, the other one
needs Nagasaki. How do you get that two toxic
American people? One's Canadian, doesn't really
(10:58):
matter. There's certainly extra jokes in
there, but I I'm not going to gofurther down.
OK, cool, that metaphorical rabbit hole.
Yeah, someone did that and they got benched, so.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's about coming off.
I don't know, I actually think, I think these moves could fix
(11:23):
both teams, but what is fixed is.
Fixed like but not good. But like how many changes do you
need to make to both teams in order for them to be good?
Because in my head like on top of these changes, you need to
(11:49):
make more to phase than you do to Liquid.
Yeah, probably entirely speculation, but observe
speculation from a recent event that I may or may not have been
at. I think it's a lot of Liquid
players think, let's say Roland ultimate is a bit stupid and I
(12:15):
say this. Why?
I say this because I was I was watching a game and Ultimate
made it, made a call or a suggestion and the face of a
player on that team who is not the one we think talking about
leaving actually it. Was nerds, wasn't it?
Tell me it was. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
(12:35):
It was, in fact, the end game leader.
Mr. Suhe, he, he, he, I'll try and remain active.
He just basically just went like, you can't see me right
now. But he furrowed his brows.
I was just like, what? What?
Like he he really was just bewildered by whatever he'd
said. Like kind of like I roll meets.
(13:00):
Are you dumb kind of kind of face.
And obviously Naf was leaving that team at the end of the
major. Like let's look forget that Naf
was in every sense they would not on that team.
So like is the deal. Oh yeah.
Like NAF. NAF will stay if Twist goes.
Like, is that what they're trying to do?
(13:20):
Like that's still not good and unfortunately.
No, he's still not good, but if they win a game it seems to be
halfway because of him. Well, yeah, but like I think
because it but you know, if thatpops off, it probably means
everyone else is playing OK as well.
I mean, it's just, it's just a weird one, right?
Like we'll talk about it more ina little bit.
(13:44):
They are playing better counter striker bounty.
Like you can see that flashy hashad some impact on the team.
I just think they still lack someone in the mold of a Liege
where phase actually have a problem because they have
someone in the mold of a Liege and that steps on range toes.
(14:05):
So if you get twist and then youget twist to be what he was on
phase, they will be considerablybetter.
The problem is, is that I'm not sure Rain is as good as a lot of
other players that they need himto be as good as.
I'm still not overly convinced by Brokey and I'm really not
(14:27):
convinced by Carrigan anymore either way.
Like I don't think it takes awayfrom Carrigan's legacy or any
bullshit like that. I think there's a lot of recent
bias in CSI. Think especially with thinking
leading, like you can be kind ofcrap in the server if you're
winning rounds from a calling like tactically, but they're not
(14:47):
doing that anymore. Like you can't be a hook, see if
your team aren't winning. Do you know what I mean?
You have to be a kickstand or Kadian back back in the day,
right? Like you have to be, I can't
even say that about Kadian, but do you know what I mean?
You have to you have to have hands if you're not like
tactically interesting apex right, he's probably the best
(15:12):
well, he definitely is the best agile in the world right now.
Do you know what I? Mean yeah, like, but he's also
fucking good at shooting people.Yeah, exactly.
But like Chopper gets away with it because he has a dunk and a
Shiro. Do you know what I mean?
And the. Chopper's not practically shit.
No, no, no, no. She just don't know.
Ball, chopper ball. Anyway, I don't know.
(15:36):
I don't know. Like I think the move should
probably happen, like I'll see see what goes on, but I don't
think it'll be the the end of moves through those teams.
No, we just. Swap all posts as well like
let's get really interesting. I could, I think both teams are
probably due and off for swap like I just don't.
(15:57):
I don't see how if you were thatunhappy with Brokey back in
April or whatever, why you'd be that happy with him now just
because you had simple and you were like, no, simple just can't
be asked. Like at least Brokey tried.
(16:18):
I don't really get that. I also, you know, like, sorry,
go. Brokey's got a little bit cocked
as well, right? Like we're benching you, we're
getting simple as a standing andthen, oh, we, we can't sign him.
Do you want to come back? Yeah.
Like, and he was their best player at Cologne as well.
(16:39):
Like measurably so. I don't know, like, like I, I
don't understand any of the thought behind that.
Like he was not playing well before that.
You know, sure, maybe the break was good for him, but like, why
don't you say it as Brooke? He will be missing 2 events for
(16:59):
us due to stress or burnout or whatever.
Like, you know, he obviously youdidn't want him to come back
initially, did you? Like that's be real.
Otherwise you would have phrasedit that way in, in the press
released and stuff. So.
But it's just like, it's just some of the weird stuff though,
like that interview that Kerrigan did with HLTV, like at
the start of Cologne where he's like, yeah, we just, we just
missed having Brokey around, man.
(17:22):
OK. Like I'm sure plenty of other
teams have missed, like having someone around when they've
kicked. Someone, I think Spirit are
pretty sad they had to get rid of magics, but they won.
They won the event so. Yeah, but it's like, it's not
the fucking point, is it? It's like.
Yeah, it's competition. It's.
Not a fucking competitive team Yeah so yeah, like brokey.
(17:46):
If Brokey becomes brokey again, great, if not, not great,
because I don't know who you getrain look at him compared to
flames exertion. Obviously, you know, like Kasuke
No exists. Donk is a freak.
Is Rain good enough to be your aggro star?
(18:07):
Not when you've got, not sure, literal children who are twice
as good. Yeah, not sure.
And Carrigan? I don't know.
Needs to go, I've been saying. This like a.
Year now. Yeah, I think it's true.
Like face have been so fluke, not fluky, streaky for so long
(18:29):
that I think at some point it has to fall on Carrigan, but it
just has to. And then just on the liquid
side, I think Ultimate is their ceiling.
But like they're just so far away from their ceiling right
now that it doesn't feel that way.
But I still think Ultimate is their ceiling.
They need someone like a leash to come in to free up Nuts even
(18:52):
more and let Nuts be what he is,which is like bare minimum top
20 player, probably closer to top 10 Naf.
Maybe Naf gets better with a healthier environment and like a
team that makes a bit more sense.
And Siri, well, well, he just needs this team to work,
(19:17):
otherwise his reputation is going to be in the fucking bin.
A year ago, Siri was was, you know, a Carrigan successor.
Everyone was saying right, Yeah.And he's it's not done.
The team he left have become thesecond best team in the world.
And he joined. Have not improved.
(19:39):
Not necessarily gotten worse either, like they've just still
been. Made.
I'm just not even convinced he'sany good anymore, but we'll see.
I. Guess yeah, again, IGLI got that
Mao's team. Like they're still performing
with a fake IGL with Brolin, right?
Like, so maybe it's just they had good players, you know?
Maybe, again, it's the Carrigan symptom of like, having the best
(19:59):
players in the world around. You yeah, on, on, on Twist,
though we do have a take of the week.
We do. We do.
It comes from, I'm not saying that app, that's a fucking
ridiculous app. It comes from a bloke called
Nate Encounter. It comes from 2112 SSBM.
(20:22):
Yeah, well, that's why you're saying that anyway, he said.
I know they lost a single tournament, but Vitality adding
twists? That would be kind of sick.
Don't know who he'd replace. The chemistry on that team is
insane and if he would fit in the apex system I do think he's
at least an upgrade to Flames. Now.
(20:46):
I know that a lot of posts in that Twitter group are rage
bait, but I also think a lot of the people in that Twitter group
are just like fucking idiots. And I think this one might fall
into the fucking idiot category because typically the rage
baiters reply to everything to like fervor their rage baiting.
(21:07):
This guy's not replying to anything.
He's just being called a cunt and he's not backing himself.
It's, it's genuinely one of the worst takes that we've ever had
on this podcast. It's, it's freezing cold, isn't
it really? Like it's really bottom of
(21:29):
bottom of the fridge take like everything you said is just
wrong. So like you're clearly like you
just obviously don't understand the game by any other metric
over there. Like I like this player.
Like, OK, you know, the fucking the soy Jack with like his head
caved in and the fucking shapes and the holes that that's you,
(21:52):
Mr. Mr. Knight, and like he's not upgrade the flames.
Like I'm not even going to pull.I'm not even to pull the stats,
but with my my powerful foresight and intrinsic ways of
knowing flames is probably definitely better than twists.
So you can you can Fact Check meif you want, but even after in
(22:13):
on the eye test like. Do you know what The thing is
though? Right.
So if you're actually looking like.
I'm going to check the last few months anyway, but talk.
There's there's no like role to role that really matches up from
twists and phase to vitality. But I think there's space within
the team. Twist is probably equal to what
(22:37):
Mesi was. Well, Mesi is twist on phase was
equal to what Mesi is right? Which is the only capacity in
which twist would go into this just.
So Flames does have a 1.12 and Twist has a 1.10.
Imagine my shock. But a 1.12 on a team that are
(22:58):
winning everything with Xie Wu and Rob's?
Yeah. And Twist is the star of Liquid,
supposedly. Yeah, because like twist.
Laugh track here. Twist in Liquid like the way
Twist is in Liquid that isn't really that player in Vitality,
but an idiot would think that it's flames because that's how
(23:18):
idiots think the game works. So like comparing Kim phase
twist to vitality Messi is probably the best comparison you
can get. Messi is still better.
Like on a on a consistent basis,Messi is better than twist over
(23:39):
a longer period of time. But yeah, you've got the the
twist size and twist. First off, 2022 really really
good. Look at 2023 Twist crap for most
of the year. Just just a worse player than
Mesi. So like Short Twist might have
an individual ceiling that's higher than Mesi, and his
(24:04):
individual ceiling is probably equal to Flames, but Twist needs
a lot more to find that ceiling than those two players do like
he needs. Apart from like maybe the old
old Liquid, Twist has never beenthe best player on his teams.
He wasn't the best player on theteam in the old Liquid.
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No, he's not, but somebody was thinking.
He was never meant to be. You know, I'm not saying flames
is either, but like. Flames.
Flames has been the best player on two of his previous teams
before he got vitality. Twist was a fucking glorified
support player on 2019 Liquid like Nath and fucking a Liege
with the stars right? There's been an excellent reply
(24:47):
to Mr. Nate's take from Jacques Bancio on that shit, But he says
I think the vitality works so well because Apex is the RGL.
It's loud and assertive, while literally everyone else on the
team is more of a timid, compliant type of person.
Sure, I think Twist is not fit because of that, but what do I
know? Chicken bolognese, I think.
(25:10):
I think that's that's that's excellent.
I'm just there laughing about the timid compliant type of
person thing, which is hilarious.
Word. It's only them Subs and then.
Like Apex is just there. Like fucking I also just running
his own twist on all the Vitality girlfriends because
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they're all cooks. I do think that Twist, in fact,
is a submissive, compliant little boy.
Oh he definitely is in that aspect.
I'm not sure he is on the counter strike team.
No, sure, but chicken bolognese is.
Just is actually that's awesome me when the quote for this this
(25:55):
podcast episode is just twist isa cook question question.
That's the click bait. Allegedly.
That's how we do it, allegedly. No, not my words.
That was said by some anima cancers.
Twist, we are joking, brother. If you're a cook, good, good for
you. I couldn't do it.
But if you can, you got a lot ofstrength in your brother.
(26:17):
You got a lot of strength. Oh God.
Anyway, anyway. Anyway, moving so.
Chicken Bolognese Charlie, run the fucking run the run the ad.
So Jack, do you find it hard to keep up with all the news and
(26:38):
counter strike? I do.
I took a weekend off and I came back to six new IG LS3
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major upset is not even knowing it happened.
TLDR you don't have time to readeverything you still want to
sound like you did. So Rush has retired this week,
Jack. Not my favorite observer.
No no, just rush block captors. NA fella won a major you might
(28:09):
know. Cool trim, big big bloke.
Surprisingly big bloke. He's buff, he's a small man.
Yeah, type of man. Then you go to the gym for.
Correct, Sadra, isn't it? It is because I actually say
he's probably like one of my favourite CS players of all
(28:29):
time. You're a big optic boy, weren't
you back in back in day? But also like I I like rush
because he's like like for that,for that time on optic, he was
that like, you know, three months they were actually good.
He was probably like the best entry in the world, Like he was
(28:50):
really dis disruptive. But after that, he's probably
one of the more early modern, like aggressive supports, like
kind of in the same vein as likeTesses or someone like that,
where he was just creating so much space for everyone on his
team. Like there's a reason why blame
(29:12):
F was at his best with rush on his team.
Like there's a there's a reason why cloud 9 suddenly all these
players were playing better. It's because rush was on their
team. Like very, very selfless player,
very impressive. And I also like that his career
(29:32):
trajectory has seen him and he he said this in his retirement
announcement that he's he's interested in coaching.
I like that his career trajectory has taken him to want
to help people to improve and that he didn't just feel himself
slipping down the ladder and waslike, you know what?
Fuck this. Like I'm only here to play Tier
(29:52):
1. Like this guy was playing on
nouns. Nouns are fucking awful man.
And when when you see like otherfuckers like automatic just like
swapping games back and forth and now he's like playing
fucking GG or some shit like Tarik Fairplay he went and
streamed. You can't criticize a brother
(30:12):
for getting the bag, but like brush well, he still.
Loves the game, doesn't he? Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, he wants to make NA.Better, and that's what NA
needs. It's people who are willing to
stick around and do The Dirty work, if that's what you want to
call it and just, you know, helppeople.
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Yeah, it's it's why the two mostimportant players right now in
NA count strike. And maybe not.
No, it still feels unfair to say.
Actually, I wouldn't say that the the 2 two of the most
important if not the most important are Nitro and
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Stanislaw because all the other fuckers from that generation,
they're like you know, they're off in liquid.
Or is Stanford wild card? He is right.
Yeah, Yeah, he is. Fucking ridiculous all by the
way, but. Completely ridiculous, but you
know they're off in liquid or phase pretending that it's still
the fucking glory days when it'snot like Stanislaw and fucking
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Nitro are. They're trying to make these two
Tier 2NA players become Tier 1NAplayers and.
Then I mean, Stan got two teams to a major.
Yeah, yeah. And then, you know, like which
teams should help on. Paper as well.
Open to help and carry over likeyeah, it would it would be
really nice to see one of those two players who'd like the the
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American guys from M80 or like even even complexity.
Like I, I'm I'll never be convinced by JT 'cause I think
he's just bitch made. I I'd love to see Stanislaw with
those guys. I think they'd be a completely
different team. I mean I'd also kick like 60 and
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Nicks, but that's 'cause they'reshit.
But you could like I do. I do think if you have Stan as
the IGO, maybe not so much Nitro.
I think Stan is like obviously the better tactician, even if
Nitro is probably underrated as one Stan with like Holzerk.
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And then take your pick of the free NA players that work best
after that. It's probably the best NA team
by a comfortable margin. So yeah, Rush great player
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Shamie isn't as respected as he as he should be, but our taken
of the week because taken decided to just raise us with
his his presence again is a is alittle bit too much respect for
Rush, I would say. So it's just a tad bit of an
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overrating from taking a. Glaze perhaps?
Yes, a glaze you could say the kids might say a glaze.
So Taken said that Rush retired,but I would say his role as
Block Capitals, the NA support makes him top 2NA player of all
time with Stewie and Twist as the other one.
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Now I'm not really sure what Stewie and Twist as the other
one means. I'm not sure if if if Taken
thinks that 2 comes after three.Also also Stewie being in the
top 3 is just silly. No, no, that's a great take.
I'll never criticize anyone for that.
No, but missing. You've missed Elise, who is the
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best NO player by a noticeable margin.
And then you'll say I'm not doing this debate.
That's fine, but but. Because it's not Elise, it's
Twist. You literally earlier you said
Elise was better. No, I thought he was the star.
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You said yeah, so that. Yeah, if you look at like,
twisted shit anyway, we're not doing.
We're not. Doing no.
But what I'm saying is. It's one of those two.
It's one of those. Is Russia's great?
He's definitely not top two or three NA top five.
I could see a case if he's. I'd say he's yeah.
I'd say he's 5th. I'd say it's probably Leisure
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Twist, whichever way you want it.
Naf, Stewie, Rush, I want to have, I want to like, I want to
have Stewie over Naf, but I think like Stewie obviously, you
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know, fucked off and I think that puts Naf ahead.
But like, what's Stewie and Rushdid for the team as they were on
it is one of those like, unquantifiable things that is
that is a bit more quantifiable for Rush that will always be
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underappreciated. And yeah, like when you're in a
region like NA where most of theplayers are just dog shit, if
you don't have those two in yourtop five, you probably just
don't know Ball unfortunately. Happy retirement anyway, Mr.
Rush. Yeah, happy retirement.
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You end up on a on. A team.
Decent. And Congrats on a pretty fucking
historic career. Yeah, still a history maker,
obviously. Major winner.
Yeah. Farewell.
Farewell. Good.
Anyway, yeah, let's talk about TO's because sadly, and I'm
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fucking, I'm fucking broken about this mate.
I'm. Completely torn up.
The yellow compass journey has come to an end.
I guess I have a moment of silence.
OK. That's done now.
Yeah, that was good. Yeah.
Apparently they filed for bankruptcy.
They haven't paid money and I have very little thoughts about
(36:37):
this. Like I honestly don't give a
fuck. I'm surprised that they haven't
paid money considering where themoney comes from.
But if they Dubai or Qatari. Their UAE, Oh, the UAE, OK, I
think yeah, OK. Their headquarters are in Dubai,
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but there's yeah, like so they've got, I don't know if
Yalla Compass is based out of ADG, which is Abu Dhabi Gaming,
but like on the photo HLTV have,it's in the centre of the stage,
so I imagine it's part of AD. Sure.
I mean, all that stuff's fuckingintellect, isn't it?
So. ADG for those who who are
(37:26):
unaware, is a branch of the UAE government that literally exists
because someone was mates with the Sheikh or however you say it
is Sheikh. I don't.
Know. Emiratis, I don't know.
Yeah, but they're like Sheikh Mansour or whatever, isn't he?
(37:48):
Abu Dhabi? I think that's Man City's own
room. That's Abu Dhabi.
Anyway, Anyway, so someone was who was mates and they wanted
their son to have a good job andthey said, well, what's he like
doing? He likes playing video games.
ADGADG now exists. They were the.
Reason why it's fucking ridiculous isn't?
(38:10):
It but it's, it's, it's why it'swhy the Emirates has has worked
so well, because like the, the money is to some extent shared
around by making sure that the Emiratis have good jobs within
the Emirates. Because if you actually look up
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the population statistics of theEmirates, there aren't many
Emiratis compared to the actual population.
No, there's like 10 million people, right, but then.
Yeah, yeah, it's, it's like 20% immigrant labour.
And stuff isn't. It a native yeah, but but
anyway. So that's why ADG exists.
Geopolitics. That's.
Cool, and they were the reason why Blast world final was in Abu
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Dhabi for years. The guy runs it.
I've met him, very interesting fella.
I had a lot of fun around him because he is ultimately a gamer
and on the day I met he was given.
Billions to play with. Yeah, yeah, Like I was in charge
of going collecting him and justhaving a chat with him while an
(39:13):
interview was set up. And like, yeah, we, we, we got
him really well. There's things I've heard about
him, though. I imagine he's very fun on a
night out. I'll say that.
And then I'll be very careful saying anything after that.
But yeah, just just because it'sUAE, like I'm really surprised
that this has happened, but frankly I don't give a fuck that
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it's happened because I don't think I watched the Ella Compass
event anyway. No, I know.
I know Freddie Casser for them once, once or twice so.
Sorry I. Wonder if he's got paid?
Yeah, I should ask him. Actually I.
Don't know, like Tio's leaving and stuff.
It is always sad. The bigger issue is like players
and stuff not getting paid right.
Like if you've won an event, notget paid like that just does
(39:54):
suck. Yeah, like the Mongols won one
of them. Yeah, they won like the one in
the fucking shopping mall, right?
I'm sure it's not where it was. I don't know.
It was in Abu Dhabi. Yeah, like, like, you know, pay,
pay people in winning tournaments.
Like that's not a hot take really.
I, I'm from what I hit PGL are very good at paying people.
Like I think they pay people like days after the event, like
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one or two days. So that's cool.
Yeah. I don't know, it's a shame.
It's good to have more TO's, butalso, you know, it's a it's a
big fish kind of game, you know,Yeah, and and fishes sometimes
be be getting eaten, but. Sometimes they'd be small and be
getting eaten. Sometimes they'd be small.
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So yeah, there's more money in the general Middle East for EFG
and for me to keep my job. I'm I'm not opposed.
Because as Richard Lewis says, it's always a fucking threat of
that. Oh, what I will say before,
before we move on, yeah, if Fisher Playground isn't in the
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same fucking boat, by the way, there's no way they're paying
out $2,000,000 of prize money ina fucking year like I've refused
to fucking believe. Serbian org as well man.
Like 2. That's the Serbian GDP.
Like that is that is that money's not real ads stop
accepting them invites There's no.
But they are like the sponsors, like they must have like some
(41:20):
crazy Russian gambling, right? Surely.
Like that. Boom.
OK, there we are. Yeah, if someone, if someone at
one point anyone possibly finds out that someone's 100% being
paid for that one, please let meknow because I I.
Bet sponsor everything. Yeah, they do like they, they
have teams, they're sponsoring TO's.
(41:41):
They also sponsor teams as well.So they have you've got like Bet
Boom team and they're also like a jersey sponsor for Spirit and
maybe VPN. They just owned by the mafia.
They've got the they must. Surely it's like Nottingham
Forest of Counter Strike. Yeah, but either way, people
(42:07):
ain't getting paid by that. Let's move on, Let's move on.
Let's talk about Blast Bounty, because that's the tournament
that's happening. God, it's just really boring,
isn't it? Fucking.
It's owned by the Russian companies CTOM, which is owned
by two Russian entities, each holding a 50% stake.
(42:27):
But we were also a bank company.Yeah, it's very.
Move on. Sorry, it's very.
It's very I'm. Glad.
Shady SO. Yeah, no, I'm glad we figured
that out. Blast bounty anyway.
It's the thing that's happening.I mean ESL Pro League Malta but
blast. Yeah, I just started online.
(42:49):
A blast bounty. It should be really cool, it
should be really fun, but there's just so many parts of it
that just don't work like the teams.
Picking your teams angle is really cool.
Picking. It's really cool.
That's interesting. It's really cool, but it's just.
It's not interesting when they when they all lose though.
It's completely fucked by the concept of fucking vRS because
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people don't want to take. Obviously.
That big of a risk like I. Mean yeah, as usual, vRS has
ruined anything fun and good. Yeah, yeah, I could do which
which completely fucking sucks. It's also ruined by the fact
it's online and I get it, it's a32 team tournament that's single
(43:30):
elimination. I'm not sure I'd be flying
people out anywhere either. But then maybe that's a problem
with the format because as well,like I'm not being funny.
I don't think that it's particularly interesting to see
(43:51):
some of the games that that happened during Blast Mountain,
like I'm not particularly asked for, like Australia's versus
Rare Atom or Naughty versus TNLI.
Don't need to watch that. I I don't need that game to ever
happen. Yeah, it's not good, it's not
(44:15):
great CS, is it? Also I am just going to play the
play the part of oh look, a shothas qualified to a blast event
lol. You know they just they did a
dumpster an RV, but. They did, absolutely.
I'm blaming I I reckon one of the shortest people I don't know
was unplugging routers in an RV HQ or some shit.
(44:37):
Oh yeah. That's my hard take.
Fucking Blast just flew someone out just so just so that could
happen. Yeah, I don't know that like the
problem is, is that it could be a really interesting format.
But when you go the entirety of the round of 32 without one of
these bigger teams losing, your format completely falls apart.
(44:59):
Because if you go back to Blast Bounty Season 1, I'm pretty sure
it was in one of the first gamesthat Bet Boom beat Bet Boom beat
Mouse. I think it was really early on,
like in the tournament. I'm sure they beat them in the
first round, but I think it was also.
(45:23):
Stage one, yeah. But wasn't it in like the first
day or two? Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, as well I seem. So OK it was it was on day 4.
But like so big beat saw heroic beat 3D Max.
Singular limb is brutal. Man, that is really tough.
(45:45):
Beat complexity so yeah, like this is this is the thing right?
Like no, these aren't particularly interesting upsets
because it's big and sore and VPin complexity.
Bet Boom mouse was that made Bounty more interesting and then
you you had pain beating face rope beating liquid.
(46:08):
Like Bet Boom again beat Furia because they made playoffs that
made it more interesting. It completely falls apart
instantly when you don't get a single upset in the first round
of matches. Yeah.
Yeah, because then you get to the second round of matches and
(46:29):
the three upsets we got are Australis beating Navi, VP
beating Phase and Liquid beatingFuria.
It's also just like I know it's online for a reason and and I
don't I'm not heading the org for that right but I just
struggled to care about on NTS. Oh yeah, I struggled.
To give a shit like I think it is more fluky and then even with
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that and that in the mix, we don't really get any upsets or
anything like. Yeah.
I, I just, I'll probably watch the lambet maybe.
But, well, we probably should. We do a podcast mate.
We do, but. I'm we'll be talking about.
Very busy man, but. Man, you're 2 weeks off work,
you bastard. Yeah, I've got house.
(47:12):
Move into and such like. So you haven't even got the keys
yet. I haven't, but there's all lots
of lots of things to do. Lots.
Of videos. Yeah, right.
Podcasts. Let's go.
But yeah, I don't know. I just don't really.
I just don't really care. Yeah, I mean, I work for Blast,
(47:33):
so I care a lot. You have an accident.
I really do care, but like I'm not like I don't, I'm a
freelancer. I'm not a full time contracted.
I'd be very different if I was full time contracted, but I'll
be I'll be real about it. You know, like the fucking the
online makes it boring. The fact there was no upsets,
not last fault makes it boring. And then the the upsets you get
(47:58):
are probably the upsets you don't want because Fioria are
really fun right now and now you've got a liquid that's just
going to get borked but they're just going to get completely
fucked bent over by whoever theyplay.
VP probably same deal. Australis will be the most
competitive out the three. The best one probably would have
been if. Like it's not good for long term
(48:19):
in the competition but if G2 hadactually managed to beat Spirit
and fair play, they give Spirit a good fucking go.
Don't completely shit the bed. Yeah, this G2, this G2 team is
legit. Like I think yeah, we said this
before, like before Cologne, like they'll be a super team and
like, yeah, they didn't make playoffs, but they did pretty
(48:41):
decent at Cologne and like. There's a reason why I said
there's a reason why I said theyweren't roster Mania.
Yes. It's not.
It's not going to be instant. Give this team six months, nine
months, they'll be fucking wicked.
And this like this G2 team now sits in the realm of team like
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based off the early showings of them, they sit in the realm of
team that like they'll they'll probably that without a doubt
make an 18 playoffs. They'll make a fair few six team
playoffs depending on what the bracket looks like for them to
get there. But you get to a major and
(49:26):
they're the dark horse that you have to keep your eye on.
They're they're like the the, the, the cloud 9 or the gambit
Like they're, that's a team thatcan win a major.
And if you think it isn't, you don't know enough about CS.
Are we too far out from Budapestto maybe make like one or two
predictions of who we think could win the major, just like
(49:47):
at this stage? Why do you want to do it?
You can do it if you want. I I see a world of G2 do win,
yeah. I also see a world with G2 win
the major. I also see a world of Falcons
win it as well. I don't unless they make a move
really. Quickly.
Really. Yeah, I I don't see a world in
which a team with that many aggro rifles and nothing to
(50:12):
balance it out can can work. They need Tessa's gone and they
need bit or gym fat. They do that, they can win the
major. It's NN at Star Trek.
It's gonna be fucking so. Long it is, it is.
Might go, might go though playoffs debating it.
(50:33):
Yeah. Debating it, I'll definitely go
if we can do a a magazine because someone's going to hand
out 10,000 then fuck it anyway. Anyway, move it.
On. Anyway, so in the playoffs, we
don't know who they face yet because the draft show will be,
I believe, 8:00 PM European timeon Wednesday, which is the day
(50:56):
this podcast goes out. We're recording it Monday.
Playoffs are Australis versus pro spirit, liquid, Mongols,
mouse, Aurora and Vitality. I don't think any team has
looked good enough to pick a winner.
I think Vitality should have dumpster legacy and did an
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Aurora. Funny Mongols.
Maybe they're different in the studio.
Liquid you ain't doing anything.Spirit.
This is what I'm convinced by inthe G2 game, but I'm very rarely
convinced by Spirit as much as I'm just entirely by Dunk.
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VP not happening. Charlotte's not happening.
So yeah, this might. This might be the land that
mouse win. Mouse win it.
Yes, studio Mouse win it. We can go back to calling them
bitch made studio merch merchants and we'll all we'll be
happy. And then and then, yeah.
And once it finishes, it's only two weeks until the next online
(52:07):
blast event starts. Awesome.
Yeah, that wouldn't be good. You can have have matchups.
Well, I was, I was going to say in the meantime, in between,
it's a better segue. They have revealed the opening
matchups, and there's some. Interesting games.
If we talk about the E Sports World Cup, the Saudis pay us,
(52:29):
can't they? Please.
Please. I could really.
Do some sound like cash right now?
You get Saudi cash, not. Much.
Not much of it. Valid no esports World Cup
sponsor overtime on Inferno, thegreatest podcast ever by TLDR.
If you're not the right person, mate, I think that.
(52:49):
I don't think it's that. It's not that.
Impossible. You just ask one random person
named John Saudi and they just like 10 grand Sick.
Thank you. Yeah.
Matchups. They are Falcons G2.
That's that's, that's the headline one for me, I think.
That's G2 win that unless Kosukeabsolutely like curb stops them
(53:12):
and. Like what not he's going to do
that, it's just everyone else used to kind of.
Yeah, yeah, Monosy needs to improve.
But if Monosy doesn't G2 win that?
Yeah, vitality liquid again lol.Yeah, they're getting
dumpstered. Phase Aurora, literally battle
of mid. That Aurora will win.
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I long for the day that Aurora stop getting invites like
they've just fucking. They've just lulled at this like
invite to you and then not fucking good.
That's all they're ever going tobe, like many.
Expectations just because you have loud ass fans.
Should we get bigger? Nips, just because you have loud
(53:55):
ass fans on Twitter right? Like that's not me being a
fucking fan. It's a better team.
I mean I'm in the last of the club but just because you've got
vocal fans on Twitter who just fucking reply to everything and
no one knows what you're saying because we don't all speak
Turkish doesn't mean you need tobe every event like knife like.
(54:16):
They've kind of got themselves in the world to deserve to be at
every event, to be fair, right? Like.
How how long have space holders and eternal fire and now Aurora
like thrown shit at the wall to make a Turkish roster that
actually worked. They've recycled the same like 8
players over and over and then finally it worked and now
(54:36):
they're just there. Like they show up, they probably
they beat someone and then they go out like 1-2 normally.
OK. I don't give up.
I just don't care. I just don't care.
I don't give a fuck. It was.
You don't have to give a fuck. It's just that's.
Yeah, and they're playing dead team phase, but.
That's where we're. At that game is not that game is
(54:56):
not being watched. That's not Aurora's fault, it's
the format's fault. It's how the ecosystem works
like. I never wanted this.
Now if you die, but we we watch a fucking like elimination
format based game. We don't watch a league system.
Yeah, you don't want this. Go watch football, then you can
(55:18):
deal with Burnley. Come on, what team?
I do like football, but not Burnley.
Fuck off. Yeah, I mean, we can maybe do a
little fantasy draft of the bracket real quick.
If I stop, if I call matchups, you can maybe just tell me who's
going to win them and we'll see.Who we Oh, go on, go on.
So vitality Liquid. Vitality.
(55:38):
Tyloo, Australis. Tyloo.
Navi Fridimax. Navi.
Generation Mongols. Mongols.
OK, Vitality Australis. I said Thalu, but.
Thalu OK Navi Mongols. Mongols.
Yeah. Navi.
(56:01):
OK, so then Vitality Navi. Yep.
Who was that? Oh, right, we're still going on
the other side, Vitality. So they're your finalists and
then side 2 Maus VP. Mouse.
GT Falcons G2. G2.
Phase Aurora you've. Got a coin I really don't.
(56:26):
I've got a guitar pick called Heads or tails.
Heads is fails, Tails is Aurora.Let's go whichever one it lands
on. It's phase.
Got phase? And then spirit heroic.
Spirit. OK, mouse G2.
I'd say fuck it and go G2. Spicy face spirit.
(56:50):
I'm not answering. That and then spirit, my spirit
G2. Sorry G. 2G2.
Without your final, who wins? That G2.
You're big on it. I'm just going to commit to it
for the bit. Yeah, like, yeah, like it.
(57:11):
Sure, sure. Do you?
Do you agree with it all the way?
Is there anything you would change?
Less on the bracket like that. Like vitality you have to fuck
up to not be in the final basically and then the other is
like reasonably stacked. I'd probably see it being spirit
vitality if I'm being honest. Yeah, I mean.
(57:32):
It's yeah, I'm kind of interested to watch it actually.
I've been watching a lot of the esports World Cup would.
You be doing that if you were being paid, paid.
That's a yes. That's a yes.
Because sponsorship in Yeah yeah.
Yes, yes, yes, yes. I love the E sports World Cup.
Yes, in Shallah it happens everyyear and they never decide it
(57:54):
will never make money. No Mashallah.
Yes, all. You got to finish up on I don't.
Think there is much? No, no, that's it.
We can now go and enjoy days of gooning or whatever we're going
to do. I'm going to go to the gym.
Right. I've, I've, I've actually got
(58:14):
some work to do. So I'm going to, I'm going to do
that. I'd also like to point out just
before we go, it took 45 minutesfor me to see you move once in
this episode. My internet's been fine since
then. You're welcome.
So yeah, maybe in the future if this keeps happening, we might
have to change our recording time slightly.
But anyway, it doesn't matter because it still goes out at the
(58:36):
same time and. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, so if you're at this point, fuck you.
Thanks. For watching and if anyone has a
contact with the Saudi government or wants to get some
money. Or Fisher Playground to prove
that you have paid teams. Even I guess we're not allowed
gambling, are we? But you can personally fund me
(58:58):
and. I'll yeah, I'll be your gambling
bitch. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'll give some slightly unbiased.
But like, we'll do like we'll, we'll take flashlight
sponsorship. I'm good.
I'll do. I'll do I'll.
Do pretty much anything. Yeah, yeah.
I'm a complete slut. Yeah, and the only fans is is
launching when we get to to 10,000 Subs.
Yeah. You click on them buttons. 1st
(59:21):
is is minor Jackson rings after I've been delayed.
On that note. Episodes ending twitters below.
Charlie and James Adam as well. I'm fucking out here, bye.
So, Jack. Start again.
I got a Wet Wet stash. Let's go.
You got a wet stash, right? Well, that's staying in.
(00:21):
So Jack. Hi, Sam.
Welcome back. For one.
Thank you. Have a nice time in Cologne.
Yeah, great. You sound really convinced.
My it was my fourth, fourth yearin a row.
The event was cool, but you know, it's, it's work, you know,
same stuff. Yeah, it's pretty intense
couple. Weeks, yes, it's, it's long.
(00:43):
We didn't have the day off, so that was kind of tough.
Would you like a a question to be asked to you I.
Mean sure, I don't know if I'm allowed to answer it, but.
No, you, I assume you are. That's how we typically start a
podcast and you've never really had an issue answering before.
Those ones, yes. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, what if I was? Yeah.
(01:04):
So, Jack. Yeah.
What if, right? What if you were a pretty highly
rated up and coming upper and you had a load of offers to join
teams, respectable teams. You know, top 20 teams get to
play in all the big events and you, you turn them down because
(01:26):
you're your mates on a team. So you hold out for a move there
because you know it will come. And then you go to that team,
you play a couple of events, youplay OK and then they just bench
you out of the blue and just saythat your play style didn't
didn't fit the way that the teamwas shaping up.
What would you do? Am I smooth?
(01:48):
Yeah. In this case, no, you're not and
I don't. I don't think that's ever
anything to do with his his playstyle.
If I if I remember right, the quote something like I've only
ever been benched for my performances once.
True, Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah, I'd feel pretty
shit, but I'm sure there's validreasons, right?
(02:12):
Especially if you've signed someone like he's going to be on
the bench and getting paid so they must really, really see an
issue with the playstyles or? I'm just not really sure it is a
valid issue to be honest. Like I think we both agree,
right? You know, heroic, since the
Danish line up they've been pretty smart, done a pretty good
(02:33):
job. Yeah.
You know, they built 2 competitive teams.
Now one was obviously a bit morecompetitive than the other, but
two competitive teams and then they've obviously lost some
pyres and saw still don't reallyunderstand the benching of X
flower if you have to, if you have to fuck around roles in
(02:56):
order to make the team work. But this, this Greeks one like
fine, I imagine he didn't, he didn't cost much but like is
that not a massive scouting failure?
If a mum Finn you realise his play style doesn't fit.
Because he also hasn't like Fissile hasn't changed really
much from he was, he was Aurora before I think, right?
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As one of them shit teams, you know.
Like, like he hopes the same wayreally.
So like did they in the sky process to to think, oh, we'll
ask him, we'll try and teach himhow to open a different way.
And then he didn't succeed at that because I mean, again, that
that's just silly, right? It's asking like, you know what
you're getting to a degree even as a young player, like you
still need to. But like.
(03:43):
Accommodate. Even then, man, like a month all
right. I think it was 40 days .71 FN S
S to be exact. That meme is a die, by the way.
No, I think that meme's great. No, I hate it.
I can't lie. I like that meme.
I've always liked that. Crap.
It's crap. No, no, it's good.
How many people watching nowadays actually you know who
(04:05):
FNS is? I don't give a fuck.
Exactly, it's just it's just cringe.
Oh when NA shitter was on a teamfor not a long time you shit.
Right sorry even even then rightlike 40 days to change your play
style like ultimate still struggling now and he's been on
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the team for a year. Oh, he plays really well.
Yeah, he still plays like a fucking idiot.
Like it's. Just a bit bad, isn't he A.
Little bit. That's good.
He has good games. We reduce it and he's like, Oh
yeah, maybe, maybe he's not bad.And then he forgets how to hold
a mouse. Yeah, but I just yeah, I just, I
just don't really get this move from heroic.
(04:48):
And then no, they've they've replaced Griks with Alcorin from
Spirit not. A prison from Harry Potter.
No, it might be actually, but like if have you have you looked
at Alcorin's stats? I.
Haven't. No, I just know that he's like
(05:10):
17. One point O8 rating, I believe
it is one point O 7 rating last three months 2020, 2025 we're
looking at my Internet is reallygood today.
But he was on a team with Jessica, right?
(05:30):
OK fine, Shiro's on a team with Dunk and that's a 1.23.
Yeah, she was obviously a lot better than yeah.
Yeah, but no. But like the point is, is it's
like it's relative terms, isn't it?
Yeah, is the is his I mean I've never watched him play like is
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his play style that that perfectfor for for heroics plans?
Like I don't really I don't know.
I. Don't know.
I just, I just feel like I'd be wanting a little bit more out of
an operating Tier 2 if I'm goingto bring him up to tier one.
Yeah, Like we we know that the AUP jump is specifically the
hardest jump. So if this guy is like not
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really cutting it in the roll inTier 2, what's the expectation
is? This going to be like like like
a head trick type thing where they're just like, oh, like, OK,
so Kyle Suitkiss last spirit Academy and they're like, Oh
well, honestly left Navi Academy.
So I guess this hat trick guy will also be a great opera, you
know, do you know what I mean? He'll also be a young talent
and, and obviously he's not, he's better.
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He's not bad. He's probably better than our
Corinne by a long way. Well, head trick, yeah, yeah,
but he was dog on it for a long time.
But like like when he first leftTier 2, the tier would be Do you
know what I mean though? I always.
Feel like you were a bit harder on head trick because you like
Nip so much. No, I, I, I wanted him to do
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well. I just don't think he did.
But my point being is like just because 1 prospect has left that
Academy team and and like, you know, Kisuke was one of the best
players at Cologne even though they didn't even make playoffs,
like he was just fucking awesomehonestly.
He's obviously done his thing right?
Like, I don't think that necessarily means everyone from
that Academy team is going to bea superstar, you know?
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Yeah, and I mean divide by always got from people 'cause I
ain't watching Academy teams. Like let's not, let's not fuck
about here. We have jobs, but the the vibe I
always got from people was that the actually impressive Academy
team was Navi and Spirit Academywas a one man army.
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So yeah, interesting to see how it goes.
Don't think it will go particularly well for Heroic.
And they might be in their, I want to say Southampton arc.
I don't know if that makes senseto people, but it makes sense to
me. Oh, that's good enough mate.
I don't know. I.
Don't care not to explain it further.
(08:09):
I just think it's good that as long as Young Star's about, it's
a good time. He's he's good, good fun.
He's not been particularly good at the game, but he's just good
fun. Yeah, he's a fun bloke and
that's all that really matters. So you talk about a a transfer
of rumour that has happened. Speculation.
A bit of speculation. Let me get my your massive
(08:32):
specs. Get.
Your speculation specs, are they?
Are they suited and booted? Are you ready?
You must. They must be a real item.
Oh God, you searching? Oh, fucking hell.
I'd like to point out at this point that my Internet is
fucking terrible. Jack hasn't moved since I
(08:54):
pressed the report. I'm speculating.
You are speculating. OK, cool.
Bald Harry Potter. Cool because on my screen you
look mid sneeze, which is interesting because you haven't
yet sneezed. No on this podcast.
Curious. Yes, so OverDrive, the very
(09:15):
trusted source, has said that hehas heard about the fact that
Phase and Liquid might be swapping A lesion twist.
So Jack, wash your thoughts mate.
(09:35):
I'm adjusting my glasses just for those of you who are audio
listeners or some. Oh, me.
In this case, yeah. I think the move makes sense.
I don't think twist is going to particularly like fix phase.
Like I still think that team, asI said maybe 3-4 weeks ago now,
it needs to just fucking start again, probably around Frozen.
(09:56):
Maybe he's like, I mean bro, he was kid when he came back.
So maybe keep those two and start fresh.
I don't know. I just, I've been calling for
twists head on Liquid for a longtime.
Like I said, like him being the franchise player you build
around is not a good thing. So I'm praying like in every way
possible that at least we'll go to Liquid and I'll be vindicated
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because they'll just be good. He'll just fix that team, which
is, you know, ironic consideringlike he's known as a bit of a
team ruiner, but could be fun. I don't know.
I think both of these teams are kind of dead.
Like I think liquid is more deadthan phase.
But you know, I don't know when,when you stop beating the dead
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horse, you know I. Mean I'm kind of with.
It's horse because liquid you get that that was.
Yeah, that was awful. I've been saying for a while,
you know, one of these teams needs a Roschemer, the other one
needs Nagasaki. How do you get that two toxic
American people? One's Canadian, doesn't really
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matter. There's certainly extra jokes in
there, but I I'm not going to gofurther down.
OK, cool, that metaphorical rabbit hole.
Yeah, someone did that and they got benched, so.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's about coming off.
I don't know, I actually think, I think these moves could fix
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both teams, but what is fixed is.
Fixed like but not good. But like how many changes do you
need to make to both teams in order for them to be good?
Because in my head like on top of these changes, you need to
(11:49):
make more to phase than you do to Liquid.
Yeah, probably entirely speculation, but observe
speculation from a recent event that I may or may not have been
at. I think it's a lot of Liquid
players think, let's say Roland ultimate is a bit stupid and I
(12:15):
say this. Why?
I say this because I was I was watching a game and Ultimate
made it, made a call or a suggestion and the face of a
player on that team who is not the one we think talking about
leaving actually it. Was nerds, wasn't it?
Tell me it was. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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It was, in fact, the end game leader.
Mr. Suhe, he, he, he, I'll try and remain active.
He just basically just went like, you can't see me right
now. But he furrowed his brows.
I was just like, what? What?
Like he he really was just bewildered by whatever he'd
said. Like kind of like I roll meets.
(13:00):
Are you dumb kind of kind of face.
And obviously Naf was leaving that team at the end of the
major. Like let's look forget that Naf
was in every sense they would not on that team.
So like is the deal. Oh yeah.
Like NAF. NAF will stay if Twist goes.
Like, is that what they're trying to do?
(13:20):
Like that's still not good and unfortunately.
No, he's still not good, but if they win a game it seems to be
halfway because of him. Well, yeah, but like I think
because it but you know, if thatpops off, it probably means
everyone else is playing OK as well.
I mean, it's just, it's just a weird one, right?
Like we'll talk about it more ina little bit.
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They are playing better counter striker bounty.
Like you can see that flashy hashad some impact on the team.
I just think they still lack someone in the mold of a Liege
where phase actually have a problem because they have
someone in the mold of a Liege and that steps on range toes.
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So if you get twist and then youget twist to be what he was on
phase, they will be considerablybetter.
The problem is, is that I'm not sure Rain is as good as a lot of
other players that they need himto be as good as.
I'm still not overly convinced by Brokey and I'm really not
(14:27):
convinced by Carrigan anymore either way.
Like I don't think it takes awayfrom Carrigan's legacy or any
bullshit like that. I think there's a lot of recent
bias in CSI. Think especially with thinking
leading, like you can be kind ofcrap in the server if you're
winning rounds from a calling like tactically, but they're not
(14:47):
doing that anymore. Like you can't be a hook, see if
your team aren't winning. Do you know what I mean?
You have to be a kickstand or Kadian back back in the day,
right? Like you have to be, I can't
even say that about Kadian, but do you know what I mean?
You have to you have to have hands if you're not like
tactically interesting apex right, he's probably the best
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well, he definitely is the best agile in the world right now.
Do you know what I? Mean yeah, like, but he's also
fucking good at shooting people.Yeah, exactly.
But like Chopper gets away with it because he has a dunk and a
Shiro. Do you know what I mean?
And the. Chopper's not practically shit.
No, no, no, no. She just don't know.
Ball, chopper ball. Anyway, I don't know.
(15:36):
I don't know. Like I think the move should
probably happen, like I'll see see what goes on, but I don't
think it'll be the the end of moves through those teams.
No, we just. Swap all posts as well like
let's get really interesting. I could, I think both teams are
probably due and off for swap like I just don't.
(15:57):
I don't see how if you were thatunhappy with Brokey back in
April or whatever, why you'd be that happy with him now just
because you had simple and you were like, no, simple just can't
be asked. Like at least Brokey tried.
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I don't really get that. I also, you know, like, sorry,
go. Brokey's got a little bit cocked
as well, right? Like we're benching you, we're
getting simple as a standing andthen, oh, we, we can't sign him.
Do you want to come back? Yeah.
Like, and he was their best player at Cologne as well.
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Like measurably so. I don't know, like, like I, I
don't understand any of the thought behind that.
Like he was not playing well before that.
You know, sure, maybe the break was good for him, but like, why
don't you say it as Brooke? He will be missing 2 events for
(16:59):
us due to stress or burnout or whatever.
Like, you know, he obviously youdidn't want him to come back
initially, did you? Like that's be real.
Otherwise you would have phrasedit that way in, in the press
released and stuff. So.
But it's just like, it's just some of the weird stuff though,
like that interview that Kerrigan did with HLTV, like at
the start of Cologne where he's like, yeah, we just, we just
missed having Brokey around, man.
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OK. Like I'm sure plenty of other
teams have missed, like having someone around when they've
kicked. Someone, I think Spirit are
pretty sad they had to get rid of magics, but they won.
They won the event so. Yeah, but it's like, it's not
the fucking point, is it? It's like.
Yeah, it's competition. It's.
Not a fucking competitive team Yeah so yeah, like brokey.
(17:46):
If Brokey becomes brokey again, great, if not, not great,
because I don't know who you getrain look at him compared to
flames exertion. Obviously, you know, like Kasuke
No exists. Donk is a freak.
Is Rain good enough to be your aggro star?
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Not when you've got, not sure, literal children who are twice
as good. Yeah, not sure.
And Carrigan? I don't know.
Needs to go, I've been saying. This like a.
Year now. Yeah, I think it's true.
Like face have been so fluke, not fluky, streaky for so long
(18:29):
that I think at some point it has to fall on Carrigan, but it
just has to. And then just on the liquid
side, I think Ultimate is their ceiling.
But like they're just so far away from their ceiling right
now that it doesn't feel that way.
But I still think Ultimate is their ceiling.
They need someone like a leash to come in to free up Nuts even
(18:52):
more and let Nuts be what he is,which is like bare minimum top
20 player, probably closer to top 10 Naf.
Maybe Naf gets better with a healthier environment and like a
team that makes a bit more sense.
And Siri, well, well, he just needs this team to work,
(19:17):
otherwise his reputation is going to be in the fucking bin.
A year ago, Siri was was, you know, a Carrigan successor.
Everyone was saying right, Yeah.And he's it's not done.
The team he left have become thesecond best team in the world.
And he joined. Have not improved.
(19:39):
Not necessarily gotten worse either, like they've just still
been. Made.
I'm just not even convinced he'sany good anymore, but we'll see.
I. Guess yeah, again, IGLI got that
Mao's team. Like they're still performing
with a fake IGL with Brolin, right?
Like, so maybe it's just they had good players, you know?
Maybe, again, it's the Carrigan symptom of like, having the best
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players in the world around. You yeah, on, on, on Twist,
though we do have a take of the week.
We do. We do.
It comes from, I'm not saying that app, that's a fucking
ridiculous app. It comes from a bloke called
Nate Encounter. It comes from 2112 SSBM.
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Yeah, well, that's why you're saying that anyway, he said.
I know they lost a single tournament, but Vitality adding
twists? That would be kind of sick.
Don't know who he'd replace. The chemistry on that team is
insane and if he would fit in the apex system I do think he's
at least an upgrade to Flames. Now.
(20:46):
I know that a lot of posts in that Twitter group are rage
bait, but I also think a lot of the people in that Twitter group
are just like fucking idiots. And I think this one might fall
into the fucking idiot category because typically the rage
baiters reply to everything to like fervor their rage baiting.
(21:07):
This guy's not replying to anything.
He's just being called a cunt and he's not backing himself.
It's, it's genuinely one of the worst takes that we've ever had
on this podcast. It's, it's freezing cold, isn't
it really? Like it's really bottom of
(21:29):
bottom of the fridge take like everything you said is just
wrong. So like you're clearly like you
just obviously don't understand the game by any other metric
over there. Like I like this player.
Like, OK, you know, the fucking the soy Jack with like his head
caved in and the fucking shapes and the holes that that's you,
(21:52):
Mr. Mr. Knight, and like he's not upgrade the flames.
Like I'm not even going to pull.I'm not even to pull the stats,
but with my my powerful foresight and intrinsic ways of
knowing flames is probably definitely better than twists.
So you can you can Fact Check meif you want, but even after in
(22:13):
on the eye test like. Do you know what The thing is
though? Right.
So if you're actually looking like.
I'm going to check the last few months anyway, but talk.
There's there's no like role to role that really matches up from
twists and phase to vitality. But I think there's space within
the team. Twist is probably equal to what
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Mesi was. Well, Mesi is twist on phase was
equal to what Mesi is right? Which is the only capacity in
which twist would go into this just.
So Flames does have a 1.12 and Twist has a 1.10.
Imagine my shock. But a 1.12 on a team that are
(22:58):
winning everything with Xie Wu and Rob's?
Yeah. And Twist is the star of Liquid,
supposedly. Yeah, because like twist.
Laugh track here. Twist in Liquid like the way
Twist is in Liquid that isn't really that player in Vitality,
but an idiot would think that it's flames because that's how
(23:18):
idiots think the game works. So like comparing Kim phase
twist to vitality Messi is probably the best comparison you
can get. Messi is still better.
Like on a on a consistent basis,Messi is better than twist over
(23:39):
a longer period of time. But yeah, you've got the the
twist size and twist. First off, 2022 really really
good. Look at 2023 Twist crap for most
of the year. Just just a worse player than
Mesi. So like Short Twist might have
an individual ceiling that's higher than Mesi, and his
(24:04):
individual ceiling is probably equal to Flames, but Twist needs
a lot more to find that ceiling than those two players do like
he needs. Apart from like maybe the old
old Liquid, Twist has never beenthe best player on his teams.
He wasn't the best player on theteam in the old Liquid.
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No, he's not, but somebody was thinking.
He was never meant to be. You know, I'm not saying flames
is either, but like. Flames.
Flames has been the best player on two of his previous teams
before he got vitality. Twist was a fucking glorified
support player on 2019 Liquid like Nath and fucking a Liege
with the stars right? There's been an excellent reply
(24:47):
to Mr. Nate's take from Jacques Bancio on that shit, But he says
I think the vitality works so well because Apex is the RGL.
It's loud and assertive, while literally everyone else on the
team is more of a timid, compliant type of person.
Sure, I think Twist is not fit because of that, but what do I
know? Chicken bolognese, I think.
(25:10):
I think that's that's that's excellent.
I'm just there laughing about the timid compliant type of
person thing, which is hilarious.
Word. It's only them Subs and then.
Like Apex is just there. Like fucking I also just running
his own twist on all the Vitality girlfriends because
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they're all cooks. I do think that Twist, in fact,
is a submissive, compliant little boy.
Oh he definitely is in that aspect.
I'm not sure he is on the counter strike team.
No, sure, but chicken bolognese is.
Just is actually that's awesome me when the quote for this this
(25:55):
podcast episode is just twist isa cook question question.
That's the click bait. Allegedly.
That's how we do it, allegedly. No, not my words.
That was said by some anima cancers.
Twist, we are joking, brother. If you're a cook, good, good for
you. I couldn't do it.
But if you can, you got a lot ofstrength in your brother.
(26:17):
You got a lot of strength. Oh God.
Anyway, anyway. Anyway, moving so.
Chicken Bolognese Charlie, run the fucking run the run the ad.
So Jack, do you find it hard to keep up with all the news and
(26:38):
counter strike? I do.
I took a weekend off and I came back to six new IG LS3
retirements and apparently Malvi's water boy got picked up
by a top 20 team. Right, that's why I've been
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major upset is not even knowing it happened.
TLDR you don't have time to readeverything you still want to
sound like you did. So Rush has retired this week,
Jack. Not my favorite observer.
No no, just rush block captors. NA fella won a major you might
(28:09):
know. Cool trim, big big bloke.
Surprisingly big bloke. He's buff, he's a small man.
Yeah, type of man. Then you go to the gym for.
Correct, Sadra, isn't it? It is because I actually say
he's probably like one of my favourite CS players of all
(28:29):
time. You're a big optic boy, weren't
you back in back in day? But also like I I like rush
because he's like like for that,for that time on optic, he was
that like, you know, three months they were actually good.
He was probably like the best entry in the world, Like he was
(28:50):
really dis disruptive. But after that, he's probably
one of the more early modern, like aggressive supports, like
kind of in the same vein as likeTesses or someone like that,
where he was just creating so much space for everyone on his
team. Like there's a reason why blame
(29:12):
F was at his best with rush on his team.
Like there's a there's a reason why cloud 9 suddenly all these
players were playing better. It's because rush was on their
team. Like very, very selfless player,
very impressive. And I also like that his career
(29:32):
trajectory has seen him and he he said this in his retirement
announcement that he's he's interested in coaching.
I like that his career trajectory has taken him to want
to help people to improve and that he didn't just feel himself
slipping down the ladder and waslike, you know what?
Fuck this. Like I'm only here to play Tier
(29:52):
1. Like this guy was playing on
nouns. Nouns are fucking awful man.
And when when you see like otherfuckers like automatic just like
swapping games back and forth and now he's like playing
fucking GG or some shit like Tarik Fairplay he went and
streamed. You can't criticize a brother
(30:12):
for getting the bag, but like brush well, he still.
Loves the game, doesn't he? Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, he wants to make NA.Better, and that's what NA
needs. It's people who are willing to
stick around and do The Dirty work, if that's what you want to
call it and just, you know, helppeople.
(30:33):
Yeah, it's it's why the two mostimportant players right now in
NA count strike. And maybe not.
No, it still feels unfair to say.
Actually, I wouldn't say that the the 2 two of the most
important if not the most important are Nitro and
(30:53):
Stanislaw because all the other fuckers from that generation,
they're like you know, they're off in liquid.
Or is Stanford wild card? He is right.
Yeah, Yeah, he is. Fucking ridiculous all by the
way, but. Completely ridiculous, but you
know they're off in liquid or phase pretending that it's still
the fucking glory days when it'snot like Stanislaw and fucking
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Nitro are. They're trying to make these two
Tier 2NA players become Tier 1NAplayers and.
Then I mean, Stan got two teams to a major.
Yeah, yeah. And then, you know, like which
teams should help on. Paper as well.
Open to help and carry over likeyeah, it would it would be
really nice to see one of those two players who'd like the the
(31:40):
American guys from M80 or like even even complexity.
Like I, I'm I'll never be convinced by JT 'cause I think
he's just bitch made. I I'd love to see Stanislaw with
those guys. I think they'd be a completely
different team. I mean I'd also kick like 60 and
(32:02):
Nicks, but that's 'cause they'reshit.
But you could like I do. I do think if you have Stan as
the IGO, maybe not so much Nitro.
I think Stan is like obviously the better tactician, even if
Nitro is probably underrated as one Stan with like Holzerk.
(32:22):
And then take your pick of the free NA players that work best
after that. It's probably the best NA team
by a comfortable margin. So yeah, Rush great player
(32:43):
Shamie isn't as respected as he as he should be, but our taken
of the week because taken decided to just raise us with
his his presence again is a is alittle bit too much respect for
Rush, I would say. So it's just a tad bit of an
(33:07):
overrating from taking a. Glaze perhaps?
Yes, a glaze you could say the kids might say a glaze.
So Taken said that Rush retired,but I would say his role as
Block Capitals, the NA support makes him top 2NA player of all
time with Stewie and Twist as the other one.
(33:29):
Now I'm not really sure what Stewie and Twist as the other
one means. I'm not sure if if if Taken
thinks that 2 comes after three.Also also Stewie being in the
top 3 is just silly. No, no, that's a great take.
I'll never criticize anyone for that.
No, but missing. You've missed Elise, who is the
(33:52):
best NO player by a noticeable margin.
And then you'll say I'm not doing this debate.
That's fine, but but. Because it's not Elise, it's
Twist. You literally earlier you said
Elise was better. No, I thought he was the star.
(34:16):
You said yeah, so that. Yeah, if you look at like,
twisted shit anyway, we're not doing.
We're not. Doing no.
But what I'm saying is. It's one of those two.
It's one of those. Is Russia's great?
He's definitely not top two or three NA top five.
I could see a case if he's. I'd say he's yeah.
I'd say he's 5th. I'd say it's probably Leisure
(34:40):
Twist, whichever way you want it.
Naf, Stewie, Rush, I want to have, I want to like, I want to
have Stewie over Naf, but I think like Stewie obviously, you
(35:01):
know, fucked off and I think that puts Naf ahead.
But like, what's Stewie and Rushdid for the team as they were on
it is one of those like, unquantifiable things that is
that is a bit more quantifiable for Rush that will always be
(35:24):
underappreciated. And yeah, like when you're in a
region like NA where most of theplayers are just dog shit, if
you don't have those two in yourtop five, you probably just
don't know Ball unfortunately. Happy retirement anyway, Mr.
Rush. Yeah, happy retirement.
(35:46):
You end up on a on. A team.
Decent. And Congrats on a pretty fucking
historic career. Yeah, still a history maker,
obviously. Major winner.
Yeah. Farewell.
Farewell. Good.
Anyway, yeah, let's talk about TO's because sadly, and I'm
(36:12):
fucking, I'm fucking broken about this mate.
I'm. Completely torn up.
The yellow compass journey has come to an end.
I guess I have a moment of silence.
OK. That's done now.
Yeah, that was good. Yeah.
Apparently they filed for bankruptcy.
They haven't paid money and I have very little thoughts about
(36:37):
this. Like I honestly don't give a
fuck. I'm surprised that they haven't
paid money considering where themoney comes from.
But if they Dubai or Qatari. Their UAE, Oh, the UAE, OK, I
think yeah, OK. Their headquarters are in Dubai,
(37:03):
but there's yeah, like so they've got, I don't know if
Yalla Compass is based out of ADG, which is Abu Dhabi Gaming,
but like on the photo HLTV have,it's in the centre of the stage,
so I imagine it's part of AD. Sure.
I mean, all that stuff's fuckingintellect, isn't it?
So. ADG for those who who are
(37:26):
unaware, is a branch of the UAE government that literally exists
because someone was mates with the Sheikh or however you say it
is Sheikh. I don't.
Know. Emiratis, I don't know.
Yeah, but they're like Sheikh Mansour or whatever, isn't he?
(37:48):
Abu Dhabi? I think that's Man City's own
room. That's Abu Dhabi.
Anyway, Anyway, so someone was who was mates and they wanted
their son to have a good job andthey said, well, what's he like
doing? He likes playing video games.
ADGADG now exists. They were the.
Reason why it's fucking ridiculous isn't?
(38:10):
It but it's, it's, it's why it'swhy the Emirates has has worked
so well, because like the, the money is to some extent shared
around by making sure that the Emiratis have good jobs within
the Emirates. Because if you actually look up
(38:30):
the population statistics of theEmirates, there aren't many
Emiratis compared to the actual population.
No, there's like 10 million people, right, but then.
Yeah, yeah, it's, it's like 20% immigrant labour.
And stuff isn't. It a native yeah, but but
anyway. So that's why ADG exists.
Geopolitics. That's.
Cool, and they were the reason why Blast world final was in Abu
(38:52):
Dhabi for years. The guy runs it.
I've met him, very interesting fella.
I had a lot of fun around him because he is ultimately a gamer
and on the day I met he was given.
Billions to play with. Yeah, yeah, Like I was in charge
of going collecting him and justhaving a chat with him while an
(39:13):
interview was set up. And like, yeah, we, we, we got
him really well. There's things I've heard about
him, though. I imagine he's very fun on a
night out. I'll say that.
And then I'll be very careful saying anything after that.
But yeah, just just because it'sUAE, like I'm really surprised
that this has happened, but frankly I don't give a fuck that
(39:34):
it's happened because I don't think I watched the Ella Compass
event anyway. No, I know.
I know Freddie Casser for them once, once or twice so.
Sorry I. Wonder if he's got paid?
Yeah, I should ask him. Actually I.
Don't know, like Tio's leaving and stuff.
It is always sad. The bigger issue is like players
and stuff not getting paid right.
Like if you've won an event, notget paid like that just does
(39:54):
suck. Yeah, like the Mongols won one
of them. Yeah, they won like the one in
the fucking shopping mall, right?
I'm sure it's not where it was. I don't know.
It was in Abu Dhabi. Yeah, like, like, you know, pay,
pay people in winning tournaments.
Like that's not a hot take really.
I, I'm from what I hit PGL are very good at paying people.
Like I think they pay people like days after the event, like
(40:16):
one or two days. So that's cool.
Yeah. I don't know, it's a shame.
It's good to have more TO's, butalso, you know, it's a it's a
big fish kind of game, you know,Yeah, and and fishes sometimes
be be getting eaten, but. Sometimes they'd be small and be
getting eaten. Sometimes they'd be small.
(40:37):
So yeah, there's more money in the general Middle East for EFG
and for me to keep my job. I'm I'm not opposed.
Because as Richard Lewis says, it's always a fucking threat of
that. Oh, what I will say before,
before we move on, yeah, if Fisher Playground isn't in the
(41:00):
same fucking boat, by the way, there's no way they're paying
out $2,000,000 of prize money ina fucking year like I've refused
to fucking believe. Serbian org as well man.
Like 2. That's the Serbian GDP.
Like that is that is that money's not real ads stop
accepting them invites There's no.
But they are like the sponsors, like they must have like some
(41:20):
crazy Russian gambling, right? Surely.
Like that. Boom.
OK, there we are. Yeah, if someone, if someone at
one point anyone possibly finds out that someone's 100% being
paid for that one, please let meknow because I I.
Bet sponsor everything. Yeah, they do like they, they
have teams, they're sponsoring TO's.
(41:41):
They also sponsor teams as well.So they have you've got like Bet
Boom team and they're also like a jersey sponsor for Spirit and
maybe VPN. They just owned by the mafia.
They've got the they must. Surely it's like Nottingham
Forest of Counter Strike. Yeah, but either way, people
(42:07):
ain't getting paid by that. Let's move on, Let's move on.
Let's talk about Blast Bounty, because that's the tournament
that's happening. God, it's just really boring,
isn't it? Fucking.
It's owned by the Russian companies CTOM, which is owned
by two Russian entities, each holding a 50% stake.
(42:27):
But we were also a bank company.Yeah, it's very.
Move on. Sorry, it's very.
It's very I'm. Glad.
Shady SO. Yeah, no, I'm glad we figured
that out. Blast bounty anyway.
It's the thing that's happening.I mean ESL Pro League Malta but
blast. Yeah, I just started online.
(42:49):
A blast bounty. It should be really cool, it
should be really fun, but there's just so many parts of it
that just don't work like the teams.
Picking your teams angle is really cool.
Picking. It's really cool.
That's interesting. It's really cool, but it's just.
It's not interesting when they when they all lose though.
It's completely fucked by the concept of fucking vRS because
(43:09):
people don't want to take. Obviously.
That big of a risk like I. Mean yeah, as usual, vRS has
ruined anything fun and good. Yeah, yeah, I could do which
which completely fucking sucks. It's also ruined by the fact
it's online and I get it, it's a32 team tournament that's single
(43:30):
elimination. I'm not sure I'd be flying
people out anywhere either. But then maybe that's a problem
with the format because as well,like I'm not being funny.
I don't think that it's particularly interesting to see
(43:51):
some of the games that that happened during Blast Mountain,
like I'm not particularly asked for, like Australia's versus
Rare Atom or Naughty versus TNLI.
Don't need to watch that. I I don't need that game to ever
happen. Yeah, it's not good, it's not
(44:15):
great CS, is it? Also I am just going to play the
play the part of oh look, a shothas qualified to a blast event
lol. You know they just they did a
dumpster an RV, but. They did, absolutely.
I'm blaming I I reckon one of the shortest people I don't know
was unplugging routers in an RV HQ or some shit.
(44:37):
Oh yeah. That's my hard take.
Fucking Blast just flew someone out just so just so that could
happen. Yeah, I don't know that like the
problem is, is that it could be a really interesting format.
But when you go the entirety of the round of 32 without one of
these bigger teams losing, your format completely falls apart.
(44:59):
Because if you go back to Blast Bounty Season 1, I'm pretty sure
it was in one of the first gamesthat Bet Boom beat Bet Boom beat
Mouse. I think it was really early on,
like in the tournament. I'm sure they beat them in the
first round, but I think it was also.
(45:23):
Stage one, yeah. But wasn't it in like the first
day or two? Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, as well I seem. So OK it was it was on day 4.
But like so big beat saw heroic beat 3D Max.
Singular limb is brutal. Man, that is really tough.
(45:45):
Beat complexity so yeah, like this is this is the thing right?
Like no, these aren't particularly interesting upsets
because it's big and sore and VPin complexity.
Bet Boom mouse was that made Bounty more interesting and then
you you had pain beating face rope beating liquid.
(46:08):
Like Bet Boom again beat Furia because they made playoffs that
made it more interesting. It completely falls apart
instantly when you don't get a single upset in the first round
of matches. Yeah.
Yeah, because then you get to the second round of matches and
(46:29):
the three upsets we got are Australis beating Navi, VP
beating Phase and Liquid beatingFuria.
It's also just like I know it's online for a reason and and I
don't I'm not heading the org for that right but I just
struggled to care about on NTS. Oh yeah, I struggled.
To give a shit like I think it is more fluky and then even with
(46:51):
that and that in the mix, we don't really get any upsets or
anything like. Yeah.
I, I just, I'll probably watch the lambet maybe.
But, well, we probably should. We do a podcast mate.
We do, but. I'm we'll be talking about.
Very busy man, but. Man, you're 2 weeks off work,
you bastard. Yeah, I've got house.
(47:12):
Move into and such like. So you haven't even got the keys
yet. I haven't, but there's all lots
of lots of things to do. Lots.
Of videos. Yeah, right.
Podcasts. Let's go.
But yeah, I don't know. I just don't really.
I just don't really care. Yeah, I mean, I work for Blast,
(47:33):
so I care a lot. You have an accident.
I really do care, but like I'm not like I don't, I'm a
freelancer. I'm not a full time contracted.
I'd be very different if I was full time contracted, but I'll
be I'll be real about it. You know, like the fucking the
online makes it boring. The fact there was no upsets,
not last fault makes it boring. And then the the upsets you get
(47:58):
are probably the upsets you don't want because Fioria are
really fun right now and now you've got a liquid that's just
going to get borked but they're just going to get completely
fucked bent over by whoever theyplay.
VP probably same deal. Australis will be the most
competitive out the three. The best one probably would have
been if. Like it's not good for long term
(48:19):
in the competition but if G2 hadactually managed to beat Spirit
and fair play, they give Spirit a good fucking go.
Don't completely shit the bed. Yeah, this G2, this G2 team is
legit. Like I think yeah, we said this
before, like before Cologne, like they'll be a super team and
like, yeah, they didn't make playoffs, but they did pretty
(48:41):
decent at Cologne and like. There's a reason why I said
there's a reason why I said theyweren't roster Mania.
Yes. It's not.
It's not going to be instant. Give this team six months, nine
months, they'll be fucking wicked.
And this like this G2 team now sits in the realm of team like
(49:04):
based off the early showings of them, they sit in the realm of
team that like they'll they'll probably that without a doubt
make an 18 playoffs. They'll make a fair few six team
playoffs depending on what the bracket looks like for them to
get there. But you get to a major and
(49:26):
they're the dark horse that you have to keep your eye on.
They're they're like the the, the, the cloud 9 or the gambit
Like they're, that's a team thatcan win a major.
And if you think it isn't, you don't know enough about CS.
Are we too far out from Budapestto maybe make like one or two
predictions of who we think could win the major, just like
(49:47):
at this stage? Why do you want to do it?
You can do it if you want. I I see a world of G2 do win,
yeah. I also see a world with G2 win
the major. I also see a world of Falcons
win it as well. I don't unless they make a move
really. Quickly.
Really. Yeah, I I don't see a world in
which a team with that many aggro rifles and nothing to
(50:12):
balance it out can can work. They need Tessa's gone and they
need bit or gym fat. They do that, they can win the
major. It's NN at Star Trek.
It's gonna be fucking so. Long it is, it is.
Might go, might go though playoffs debating it.
(50:33):
Yeah. Debating it, I'll definitely go
if we can do a a magazine because someone's going to hand
out 10,000 then fuck it anyway. Anyway, move it.
On. Anyway, so in the playoffs, we
don't know who they face yet because the draft show will be,
I believe, 8:00 PM European timeon Wednesday, which is the day
(50:56):
this podcast goes out. We're recording it Monday.
Playoffs are Australis versus pro spirit, liquid, Mongols,
mouse, Aurora and Vitality. I don't think any team has
looked good enough to pick a winner.
I think Vitality should have dumpster legacy and did an
(51:21):
Aurora. Funny Mongols.
Maybe they're different in the studio.
Liquid you ain't doing anything.Spirit.
This is what I'm convinced by inthe G2 game, but I'm very rarely
convinced by Spirit as much as I'm just entirely by Dunk.
(51:43):
VP not happening. Charlotte's not happening.
So yeah, this might. This might be the land that
mouse win. Mouse win it.
Yes, studio Mouse win it. We can go back to calling them
bitch made studio merch merchants and we'll all we'll be
happy. And then and then, yeah.
And once it finishes, it's only two weeks until the next online
(52:07):
blast event starts. Awesome.
Yeah, that wouldn't be good. You can have have matchups.
Well, I was, I was going to say in the meantime, in between,
it's a better segue. They have revealed the opening
matchups, and there's some. Interesting games.
If we talk about the E Sports World Cup, the Saudis pay us,
(52:29):
can't they? Please.
Please. I could really.
Do some sound like cash right now?
You get Saudi cash, not. Much.
Not much of it. Valid no esports World Cup
sponsor overtime on Inferno, thegreatest podcast ever by TLDR.
If you're not the right person, mate, I think that.
(52:49):
I don't think it's that. It's not that.
Impossible. You just ask one random person
named John Saudi and they just like 10 grand Sick.
Thank you. Yeah.
Matchups. They are Falcons G2.
That's that's, that's the headline one for me, I think.
That's G2 win that unless Kosukeabsolutely like curb stops them
(53:12):
and. Like what not he's going to do
that, it's just everyone else used to kind of.
Yeah, yeah, Monosy needs to improve.
But if Monosy doesn't G2 win that?
Yeah, vitality liquid again lol.Yeah, they're getting
dumpstered. Phase Aurora, literally battle
of mid. That Aurora will win.
(53:34):
I long for the day that Aurora stop getting invites like
they've just fucking. They've just lulled at this like
invite to you and then not fucking good.
That's all they're ever going tobe, like many.
Expectations just because you have loud ass fans.
Should we get bigger? Nips, just because you have loud
(53:55):
ass fans on Twitter right? Like that's not me being a
fucking fan. It's a better team.
I mean I'm in the last of the club but just because you've got
vocal fans on Twitter who just fucking reply to everything and
no one knows what you're saying because we don't all speak
Turkish doesn't mean you need tobe every event like knife like.
(54:16):
They've kind of got themselves in the world to deserve to be at
every event, to be fair, right? Like.
How how long have space holders and eternal fire and now Aurora
like thrown shit at the wall to make a Turkish roster that
actually worked. They've recycled the same like 8
players over and over and then finally it worked and now
(54:36):
they're just there. Like they show up, they probably
they beat someone and then they go out like 1-2 normally.
OK. I don't give up.
I just don't care. I just don't care.
I don't give a fuck. It was.
You don't have to give a fuck. It's just that's.
Yeah, and they're playing dead team phase, but.
That's where we're. At that game is not that game is
(54:56):
not being watched. That's not Aurora's fault, it's
the format's fault. It's how the ecosystem works
like. I never wanted this.
Now if you die, but we we watch a fucking like elimination
format based game. We don't watch a league system.
Yeah, you don't want this. Go watch football, then you can
(55:18):
deal with Burnley. Come on, what team?
I do like football, but not Burnley.
Fuck off. Yeah, I mean, we can maybe do a
little fantasy draft of the bracket real quick.
If I stop, if I call matchups, you can maybe just tell me who's
going to win them and we'll see.Who we Oh, go on, go on.
So vitality Liquid. Vitality.
(55:38):
Tyloo, Australis. Tyloo.
Navi Fridimax. Navi.
Generation Mongols. Mongols.
OK, Vitality Australis. I said Thalu, but.
Thalu OK Navi Mongols. Mongols.
Yeah. Navi.
(56:01):
OK, so then Vitality Navi. Yep.
Who was that? Oh, right, we're still going on
the other side, Vitality. So they're your finalists and
then side 2 Maus VP. Mouse.
GT Falcons G2. G2.
Phase Aurora you've. Got a coin I really don't.
(56:26):
I've got a guitar pick called Heads or tails.
Heads is fails, Tails is Aurora.Let's go whichever one it lands
on. It's phase.
Got phase? And then spirit heroic.
Spirit. OK, mouse G2.
I'd say fuck it and go G2. Spicy face spirit.
(56:50):
I'm not answering. That and then spirit, my spirit
G2. Sorry G. 2G2.
Without your final, who wins? That G2.
You're big on it. I'm just going to commit to it
for the bit. Yeah, like, yeah, like it.
(57:11):
Sure, sure. Do you?
Do you agree with it all the way?
Is there anything you would change?
Less on the bracket like that. Like vitality you have to fuck
up to not be in the final basically and then the other is
like reasonably stacked. I'd probably see it being spirit
vitality if I'm being honest. Yeah, I mean.
(57:32):
It's yeah, I'm kind of interested to watch it actually.
I've been watching a lot of the esports World Cup would.
You be doing that if you were being paid, paid.
That's a yes. That's a yes.
Because sponsorship in Yeah yeah.
Yes, yes, yes, yes. I love the E sports World Cup.
Yes, in Shallah it happens everyyear and they never decide it
(57:54):
will never make money. No Mashallah.
Yes, all. You got to finish up on I don't.
Think there is much? No, no, that's it.
We can now go and enjoy days of gooning or whatever we're going
to do. I'm going to go to the gym.
Right. I've, I've, I've actually got
(58:14):
some work to do. So I'm going to, I'm going to do
that. I'd also like to point out just
before we go, it took 45 minutesfor me to see you move once in
this episode. My internet's been fine since
then. You're welcome.
So yeah, maybe in the future if this keeps happening, we might
have to change our recording time slightly.
But anyway, it doesn't matter because it still goes out at the
(58:36):
same time and. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, so if you're at this point, fuck you.
Thanks. For watching and if anyone has a
contact with the Saudi government or wants to get some
money. Or Fisher Playground to prove
that you have paid teams. Even I guess we're not allowed
gambling, are we? But you can personally fund me
(58:58):
and. I'll yeah, I'll be your gambling
bitch. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'll give some slightly unbiased.
But like, we'll do like we'll, we'll take flashlight
sponsorship. I'm good.
I'll do. I'll do I'll.
Do pretty much anything. Yeah, yeah.
I'm a complete slut. Yeah, and the only fans is is
launching when we get to to 10,000 Subs.
Yeah. You click on them buttons. 1st
(59:21):
is is minor Jackson rings after I've been delayed.
On that note. Episodes ending twitters below.
Charlie and James Adam as well. I'm fucking out here, bye.
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