"MOUZ won't ever win a trophy": Wildcard's ChatGPT roster moves and zont1x WILL return to Spirit

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(00:00):
So, Jack. Hello, Sam.
I'm back mate. You are.
Do you have a nice holiday? I did, yeah, it was all right.
And then I went to blast London and spent a week in a piss tent.
What is a piss tent? Intent what you see?
So Wembley Arena is fucking awful.
It's really, really bad. That's the is it the Ovo?

(00:21):
Yes yes. Not not a big ass stadium like
the the small No, no, no former swimming pool that's next to it.
Yes, yes. That's good.
There isn't no, but it isn't. Anyway, no, it was an Olympic
pool, right? Or something.
Yes it was. Yes, there isn't room for a
press room in London so you get put in the loading Bay next to a
load of bins and it stinks of piss.

(00:44):
Oh. Yeah, so welcome to the piss
tent, everybody that's going to be.
The name of this piss tent special?
Yes, the new name of this podcast moving forward is the
Piss Tent. I think it's relevant given the
news this week. I do.
Should we talk? About a lot of it's piss.
Should we talk about Said News. Said Piss.
Said said Piss right? Well, run the intro then,

(01:09):
Charlie. So Jack MIBR have signed kicker,
important to say it's on loan, but they have signed kicker.
He joins Klim, who is. Made in Kazakhstan.

(01:29):
Yes, honestly. The thing is this is maybe not
the weirdest move MIBR was an org have made.
They did science to be in Tariq at one point.
But I feel like that was less weird because at least they
would like, you know, like America's.
No, that's a real thing. We stopped that, sorry.

(01:58):
Get out. Yeah, maybe, But maybe.
Yeah, maybe. Yeah.
Wasn't there a roster that also had swag?
So there was actually three Americans.
No, if I remember right Stewie couldn't play in one of the
tournaments or something. OK, I see.

(02:19):
Or maybe they did have swag withBraxton.
Either way, this move it's not. It's not, but it's not out of
character from RBR. This.
I'm trying to say, yeah, but this move is like the type of
move that I actually just, I genuinely don't have anything to
say. Like you see them sign claim and
you're like all right, I've heard decent things.
I've never watched him play because I don't want shit take
out or strike but whatever. Yeah.

(02:41):
Kick. It wasn't even good when he won
a major. He wasn't even good in the first
major. Finally he was in like.
It's a bit mad that you've been in two of them, isn't?
It it is considered he's fuckingrubbish. 50% major final win
rate. It's more than Nico.
Yeah, it's more than Nico, but yeah, I just, I just don't get
it because it's like, you know, with with Fury, you see him sign

(03:03):
Molador, You're like, all right,He's he's pretty good.
Denny, you see him? He also kind of already had
Yukindar, right? And he was obviously like I.
Think Yukindar came after I. Think he was on #4 wasn't he
before? So though no, OK, but but
obviously Yukinda was on liquid,right?
So he's kind of been like, I'm going to say anglicize is the

(03:24):
wrong, the wrong word for that context.
But like maybe not westernized, I guess, is the the term right?
Like he's not out of character being on international team
really. So I guess it was less bizarre.
But yeah, I mean, is this the future because of Brazilian
buyouts? They are just importing Eastern
European players. I mean it seems to be the.

(03:45):
Future theory I've been good so.If MIBR won't be.
No, but what do we expect them to be, really?
Well, no, never, but I don't expect them to be better because
they have fucking kicker. This insanity needs to go on a
good team. Yeah, he does.
He needs like, actually gets theold girl.
He's really, really needs to getthe fuck out because like, yeah,

(04:09):
I. Yeah, yeah, it's a yeah.
It's just like, it's just Charlie, Scroll down a SEC just
yeah, there's the roster. Look at that.
What a load of fucking. Shy also was benched at the
start of the year, I think, and then they brought him back in.
Yeah, he's don't know if he's coming or going or right.

(04:33):
In Sandy's like is just good andthen yeah, what's a JNT?
Fuck knows. Claims looked good, but
obviously yeah, like they're they're loans, right so.
Your coach, He's probably rubbish.
Oh, great for lost. He coached a team that couldn't
overcome the team. Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant.

(04:54):
God, yeah, like again, I'm optimistic all the best to to
the players. I hope it goes well.
I don't but for like like it's funnier like Clemson like was on
is on G2 Academy right GT Aries like this is meant to be like a
step up for him. This is a obviously a step down
for kick it right, like he's kind of had his career like like

(05:16):
the power vision team was doing really well for a while as well.
If they aren't still loud like the cricket was on so I don't
really get it. I also just like.
Do they have money? Do they sign a?
Bag Well, you signed two playerson loan.
Like what's your plan long term?After that, yeah.
And also like if we are loaning and I think loans make rosters

(05:38):
interesting, I think like we we'll get on a certain loan move
later on. But I think like it is kind of
interesting to to how A-Team gels and stuff and the fact that
they could be like recalled or whatever.
Like, I think it does add a coollayer to the transfer market and
stuff, but with vRS, right? Like is there a world where

(05:59):
Quick Kicker is like on the rosters for like both Power
Vision and MLVR? Probably probably is like, I
know that's possible, right? Our mate, I forgot his name, but
the guy, he just tweets about vRS, he's a pretty genius
because no one else can make sense of that system.
I don't know. It's odd in it.
It's an odd team. Yeah, I don't want to talk about

(06:21):
it anymore, Jack. It makes me feel more
comfortable. Well Speaking of AI don't know
shit teams, Charlotte has made amove.
They have and this one also makes me uncomfortable.
They're. Going to win the title, Sam.
They're going to win the title with Magic.
So fucking card in the. Title.

(06:41):
Yeah, Magic is back. Back in the back in the black
and red, you know, which is interesting.
He's been away for five years. No, no, that's just fucking.
Let's rein in what the fuck's going on.
I genuinely what the fuck is going on right, because like
stone shy, right? I hope he's doing all right

(07:03):
because he's probably not a terrible person behind the whole
like Jay Cranny incident, but he's probably like, he's
probably somewhat of a decent bloke.
Yeah, other than the home racket, he's all right.
Yeah, that's what. I'm trying to say, yeah, yeah.
When, you know, it's good Christian boys, we can't condone
that. But yeah, he's taking a break
for his health. Whatever.
Don't really give a shit. Go.
What's? His I've got to do with it.

(07:24):
Well, exactly, but anyway. Is he?
Is he Santa Claus? That's a shit joke.
Yeah. That was poor.
Yeah, you've packed that in. Yeah, he's gone and they've got
Magish back, which I guess makessense if they were trying to
make stare into a star, which I think is a bad idea anyway, I've
said. That they've been trying that
for a since he's been on the team.

(07:45):
Yeah, and he's not particularly good, but what what do you hope
to achieve with with Magis? Because he ain't going to make
you better. He's not better than the star.
Is he? He probably won't make you
worse. Lately, no.
Yeah. Like, it's just like, very
sideways. It's just OK, It's someone who's
older. And it's just like, it's just
hard to care about since. They got since they got hooksy

(08:08):
like Yabby's been unlocked, which has been good like he's
been like. Probably he's been inconsistent,
but yeah. OK, but he's actually been like
he the team was shit for ages, right?
And they actually like had players who now they could win
things, you know, and they have been on an upward directory.
And then again, they're just like, oh, we're, we're getting
better. We're getting better.
Oh, and we're bombed out again. My big individual concern with

(08:30):
Australia's device at this point, he's gone off the boil.
Now he's. 30 man. Like I think they're actually at
a point where like if they were to go international, No, I don't
want to say that actually. Can they ever?
I do think the riflers are a really big problem on this team.
But I, I was going to say like if they were to go

(08:51):
international, you either make him or by jail or you just boot
him. But even then, I think he'd have
to be like two major windows away because like if you go in
international, you look to improve on the right side.
Well, I mean, they've, they've not made a major for six.
Well, yeah, but I think, I thinkthey're going to make, they are
going to make the next one, aren't they, Surely.

(09:11):
Where are they in the rankings? Well, they might get in by.
I don't think they'll. Yeah, they'll do anything with
it. They'll be in Budapest,
definitely. Yeah.
I'm just like, I'm just a bit tired.
I don't like the word veteran being used as a synonym for
washed because Majus was crap onFalcons, especially towards the

(09:33):
last few months. But he is a he's a veteran.
He is but but like they're saying it like it, like it's an
upgrade and I just don't feel like it is.
I don't know if I don't know if old Dempsey is doing that.
I just think you know, you can'texactly say like the bomb rifler
will be taking sounds place. Mr. Bum, Yeah.

(09:55):
Yeah, I don't know, man. Like it's like so the last the
last team we looked at, I'm justa bit lost for words because
like it's just it's just strange.
Even Furia doesn't make kicker on MRBR normal.
This one I'm just I'm just boredof Australis, if I'm being
honest. Like I'm even I think.
We all have been for a. While no, but I'm even getting

(10:15):
to the point where hating on them isn't that fun anymore.
Yeah, I know it's like I always want them to do well, like like
I don't the org have have issues, right.
I think the org have pissed off a lot of people, but yeah, the
individual players, I don't, I don't want them to like be shit
and have like a fucking bad career, you know like.
Well. Maybe one of them, yeah.

(10:38):
Maybe one of them. But you know, generally, like,
you know, I don't think they're assholes.
No, I really like Hooksie. Hooksie's lovely, which is a
nice bloke device. When I interacted with him,
seemed all right. Stares and it's.
It's just weird. We'll leave it at that.
It's. Just weird.
Yeah. You can, you know, Riddle me
this. Yeah.

(11:00):
I don't know. I don't know.
I just, I just think like the only thing that could make me
interested in Australis again would be blame F actually, but
it's it's. The thing of blame F is, is it
just is good. Yeah.
And he's and he's fun. I think Hooksie would make him
really good as well. I like that, yeah.

(11:22):
I just, I wonder if if Charlotte's have kind of done
the knit thing with if sour their relationship with a lot of
players though because of how they've done roster moves and
stuff. I don't, I don't know because
like the knit players have always been quite vocal about it
in interviews. Like fucking Norcmate, you give
him opportunity. Yeah, give that fucker an inch
to talk about Nip and he will take 7 miles.

(11:45):
I think there's definitely been a regime change, right?
But obviously now Eric left Nip maybe a few months ago.
I'm not exactly sure who's in short of things there now, but I
know Eric did a lot of good stuff there for a bit.
So, but yes, The thing is like like perception, whether from
public or players or, or or, youknow, whatever, like you cannot
control that narrative, right? It's the same thing that EFT

(12:06):
deals with and EWC and all thesecompanies, right?
Like you can't like that, you know, people still hate this
razork because of that kind of shady behavior in the past and,
you know, favorable situations that may or may not have
happened and such like so it reflects bad in the players for
one, but it also like, does it reflect affect your your like

(12:30):
signing scope? Like who can you get?
Do you know what I mean? If you'd be in these players and
pissed them off like. I think I guess The thing is
though, it's like a lot of the players Australia's have pissed
off or potentially have pissed off aren't actually good enough
to be on the team anyway. Like if if you look at it, it's
probably like, I mean Bros. Chill in, he's having a good

(12:51):
time. Bros OK.
I'm not sure he's good enough for a team that I'm not.
I'm not sure, no. They just benched him.
But like, I'm not sure. Yeah, they got Adam B instead.
I'm not sure bro is good enough to have to to play for a team
that should have the ambition that Australis should have.

(13:13):
Again, like I thought as an org they should be a playoff team.
They should be. And I don't want to be like the
guy like. It's the same way like Fanatic
and Nip should be. Yes, I don't want to echo that.
Fucking like I think the team should beat who they have to
beat to get to the playoffs, right?
I don't want to be that guy who's like who were the bracket
was bad or the ceiling was bad, like that's fucking like shut
up. But as an org, yes, like a
Toronto should be in playoffs there.

(13:35):
There aren't all that that fits there, you know.
The thing is right is that we'rewe're long enough into counter
strikers and E sport now where where it's like it's like
football, right? So last year Nottingham Forest
fucking qualified for whatever Europa League.

(13:55):
One of them qualified for the Europa League and four years ago
they that's what. It tomorrow.
You're up. Playing Swansea tomorrow.
All right, Thank you. Next week.
Well, anyway, by the way, 40 years ago they were like the
best team in Europe or whatever.Yeah, we're we're long enough
into Counter Strike where we nowhave seen these orgs that were
at the top completely drop off. Yeah, it seems like at the

(14:18):
moment Liquid is the one doing that, like Fanatic and Nip with
a first. And now they're actually
seemingly getting back to a place where they're all right,
like. I think it's interesting that
the like G2 and Maus are probably the only ones that have
like really stayed within that sort of top 15 echelon for for
their whole. I'd have to.
I'd have to check. Wilson They're going a lot of

(14:39):
rebuilds as well. That's what I'm saying, right?
Like they've sort of managed to maintain that, that foothold and
phase since they entered 2° as well.
I actually will give them that. Like they've been a bit shit,
but they've still kind of been relevant.
You know, phase have had a lot. Yeah, without, without looking,
Phase have had a lot less players than Mouse and G2 have

(15:01):
in that time. Obviously I know Carrigan left
and and came back, but Brokie's been.
Really. A while.
Rain's been there since the start.
Carrigan left for what, 2 years?Three years, if that.
Yeah, whatever went to envy. And Frozen's now coming up to
two years on the team. It feels longer honestly.

(15:21):
They had twists for a while, they had rocks for a while.
Like I think phase is different where they've always had a
continuation like G2, you know, of I.
Remember. The and.
So have matched where where twists like said I'm leaving to
go to any YouTube. I remember that I didn't feel
very long ago, but it must that must have been like 8 years ago.

(15:43):
No, no, no, he left during COVID.
Was it? Yeah.
He signed, yeah, because Rob's joined 22, so I think Twist
joined 21. OK.
And I'm just. Saying super O20, he joined.
He was one of them. He was Nico's replacement if I
if I remember correctly. No twist replaced Kirby.

(16:03):
No, but he was. Yeah.
Nico's replacement. Yeah, that's crazy.
Yeah. 21 January 30. Yeah, but yeah.
Yeah, like so. So my point was we're at a point
now in Counter Strike where it is acceptable that some of these
orgs have dropped off. It's acceptable, but it still

(16:24):
just doesn't really feel right is what I'm trying.
To say, but it's acceptable in the sense of like, this is what
happens over a passage of time with competitions, Yeah.
This is the natural flow of things.
But it but it's still in the waywhere you know you have to
consider Fanatic Nip, Australis,VP, probably Liquid like these

(16:47):
are all teams that should view themselves as teams that should
be consistently getting to playoffs and the hope.
Is legacy teams right? Legacy.
Yeah, yeah. And you know, my real hope is
that what we are, what we end upwith, because at the moment, I
think it is actually quite hard to nail down a top ten.
Like if you look down at the fucking top 10 of vRS, fucking

(17:11):
3D, Max and Tyler are in there. I'm not sure they're actually
top ten teams, but you know, they're in there.
But if you look at that like Aurora, we've got a lot of
criticisms about them, but they're pretty competitive.
Yeah, Falcons obviously are still a little untested with
this line up. G2 look really good.

(17:33):
The Mongol spirit, Vitality, mouse, all these teams, there's
no doubts about them. There's no doubts about Furia,
yeah, yeah. So when you go further down the
ladder and you've got Navi Phase, Australis I think.
The sub 10 becomes a bit of a a brawl you.
Know Yeah, yeah, Nip seemed to be getting better.
I was actually quite impressed by Fanatic during this event.
I think they're probably a minusCrim's away from being quite

(17:55):
good. Not I think Crim's is bad.
I just think maybe you know, like that's that's that's the
room to improve now where we're in a place where as long as none
of these teams overreact and notmaking playoffs an event because
only so many teams can make playoffs, where we could have a
very nice like top 12 of quite competitive teams.

(18:20):
We're sure your. Top end should be, yeah, like
you saw a top three should be beating each other and everyone
else, right? But then no one below them is
beating them, which kind of thing.
But then that's sort of 4th to 12th.
I mean, even now it kind of is where they can't come.
They kind of just beat each other.
Like it kind of is unpredictable.

(18:41):
It's a good time honestly for like to watch this I think.
Yeah, I agree. I think, you know, like there's
there's sometimes where you lookat it and you're like, OK, this
game was a bit messy. Like these are two teams not at
their best, but whether these teams are at the best or at the
worst, they're still a lot better than us.
It's it's still quite entertaining to watch.
So if you know fanatic nip keep pushing VP can fix themselves,

(19:04):
although I highly doubt it like Australis overtime can improve.
I mean, obviously I think, I think Nip and Fanatic would both
have to suffer for my real hope for Australis.
Yeah, well, I think like I thinkthe best Australis you could get
probably has Stare Yabby and Stan slash Magic School going

(19:31):
and Tessa's Shush and Plymouth coming in in their place.
Yeah, it's crazy actually. Like the Stabby Doo leaving
Heroic have done worse than the two guys leftover.
That's just actually, yeah, like, you know, should just
become basically a star player on on Nip.
Not not not always, but like generally Tessa's like was

(19:53):
bailing out, you know, Falcons around like, you know, few if
you watch a episode from a monthago, I was saying he's, you
know, the best player on the team.
Falcons, maybe not entirely true, but he's certainly a good
player in a in a very competitive team who, you know,
they were in back-to-back to back finals.
So it's a it's an interesting comic.
Balance, you know. I just think like, I think they

(20:19):
maybe weren't ever actually thatgood.
Like I think was heroics just just the system and the the way
they played, was that just. I think so.
Destructive enough that they allperformed well.
I think so. I think, I think that system was
so disruptive that for Yabby's place in it, he got to thrive
where he maybe doesn't in a structure outside of it.

(20:40):
And I think Stan, especially Stan was the star of that team.
He was the only one where you could really label him as a
star. Like Yabby, OK sure.
But for the way they played, they were a kind of one star
team and Stan was that star. So you could kind of already
tell with Stan he wasn't actually that good when they'd

(21:01):
make it to playoffs and they'd play a harder team and his
ratings would go to shit. But like you know, you can blame
that on him maybe being a pussy and not being able to hack like
more than 20 people in front. Of him I've got the balls for.
It but I also think, you know, it shows that actually he's not
that solid of a player when he'snot just stomping on people

(21:22):
worse than him. And they were also very good
online when, you know, when their coach was cheating.
Yeah, but they were good enough on land that I.
Don't know. I know I don't.
I think the land online discourse is kind of a bit weak
anyway, but. Yeah, I do actually want to want
to talk about that heroic team abit more later, but for now, and
now I think let's let's move on.Yeah, Australia's, they made a

(21:45):
change. Nothing's going to change.
Maybe it will. Maybe one day it will.
Yeah. I have my doubts.
I have my doubts. So up next, we've got a
hilarious fucking roster move. Real piece of piss, this.
No, not the Spirit 1C. The fucking Wild card 1 because

(22:05):
this is just one of the most baffling things I've ever seen.
Do you want to? Do you want to take this Jack,
seen as he's your good friend? My good mate Louve, yes.
So if you record 2 weeks ago, maybe a month ago, wild card
benched Stanislaw and Fuzzy. They're IGL 2 majors and on
paper are their best player. I'm sure it's on paper, just eye

(22:27):
test. Just yeah, Just, you know.
The eye test of a blind man. Yeah, as long as you're not
Amaranth or Church GBT, I think you can.
You can see that. And they benched him, mentioned
both. Fuzzy was like OK, chilling.
He played a few games for Iberian Seoul and won.
I think he wanted to qualify with them or something before

(22:49):
they joined Gentle Mates. Then he went on to join 9, which
was the team with Favan with roles and.
Couple other shitters. That you had done for a long
time, yeah, like kind of Tier 2 guys.
But like, again, I think they were on a on a tier with him.
They were winning a lot of things, like a lot of, I don't
know, he's like qualifiers and all that sort of shit.
They were doing good. He was putting up good numbers,
as you expect. And then wild card were like,

(23:12):
actually, can you come back now?And again, I'm not trying to say
anything that I that is in public, but I, I'm sure you can
imagine the sentiment of being benched, finding success in the
new team and then being brought back.
You might not be the most happy about it if I had to guess.
I know also also to point out Stanislaw was also brought back,

(23:35):
yes, like and which. Rightly so, but he never should
have. Gone in the 1st place.
He was brought back weeks ago, but it it shows, you know, just
how organised this, this wild card organization is, especially
when in an interview with just to US, Suzy has then said, yeah,
shout out El Hefe. Fuzzy has then said he heard

(23:59):
that ChatGPT was involved in thefailed rebuild of the Wild Card
roster. Yeah.
Which is. And, and he said it in the
interview, so I can kind of echoit.
But he also said he felt betrayed and was finding it
tough for giving him another chance.
Yeah, yeah, which is just insane.
In other words, this is what yousaid to me as well, so.
Absolutely fucking batshit crazy, that's what.

(24:21):
I was saying earlier about like loans being interesting though,
because things like this can happen like that.
His, his peer in all we want to say can just go, yeah, we need
to back down. You know what?
I'm fucking intrigued, Charlie. I want to know what ChatGPT
spits out this Charlie. Open ChatGPT No.

(24:41):
This is actually. This is a good bit.
Let's do this for who should we do this for?
Let's do this. OK, Do.
No, I don't. I want to do it for a team that
was similar to Wild Card that fucks about should we do Passion
UA because they've obviously gota European.
Yeah. OK Charlie, ask it to suggest

(25:02):
changes to the Passion UA lineup.
Counter Strike 2 lineup that keeps it within the Americas vRS

(25:23):
but only has free North Americanplayers.
Just just do this. This is fine.
This is fine. Let's just see what?
See what we get. You can stay like that.
Yeah, Sebastian, even as long asrecruit more US based so.

(25:54):
Just scroll, Scroll down, Scrolldown.
Does it give us a rush of the yeah?
Who does it suggest? OK, OK.
So keep Jim, Jim, keep Grimm or JT and so on.
Another RNA player so on NA or the other American veteran
recruit international talent or blended so.
Well, JT isn't in America's vRS for one.
Yeah, so, so. So we got JT.
Who's South African? Sound Grim or Nick?

(26:19):
It's grim experience. NALGL.
Let's get a Dren. One to two strong European
players will keep. Is it Kvem?
Is that his name? Keep Kvem, Yeah.
Like this isn't helpful. So what the fuck were wild card

(26:42):
doing? Like what the fuck did someone
in wild card actually put in to ChatGPT?
I need to know. I like, I really do need to
know. I don't think I've ever seen a
random piece of news in counter strike where apart from, you
know, something like something mental like mouse benching chewy

(27:03):
where we always have to speculate on why.
Probably because he's like a prick or something.
Like yeah, what did someone typein to ChatGPT?
That that suggested venture IGL who's one of the best North
American IG LS ever. Probably is the.

(27:23):
Best, probably the best and yourthe best player.
Hang on a second talk for a moment.
I'm going to. I'm going to see if I can I can
I can get something on my own end.
OK, so I'm going to do some calculations.
I I think that well, I don't know what I think because it

(27:46):
makes no sense. There's there's there's nothing
logical about this. What do we get for wild card J
Berson, excess peeping friend for the central bench?
Yeah, they have for a lot of those benchings.
So. OK, Dexter or hoxie to IGL

(28:07):
Deeker or floppy Hysterical. Keep Stewie.
I do love OH. Three sign Stanislaw.
Well, they got that bit right. Fantastic.
I do love, by the way, just how much ChatGPT uses fucking Bo. 3A
blend of a blend of youth and leadership.
Sign Hooksie and Deeha, but those players are not young.

(28:30):
But BO3 is absolute fucking garbage.
By the way, there's a fucking Jackson link there.
Don't Charlie RIP there's. A fucking Jackson link.
That's reason. What the fuck?
I've, I've thought Jackson dead.This is bizarre.

(28:50):
So, you know, moral of the storyhere is, is don't you shut DBT,
maybe hire a real manager. I don't know who the manager is
or who's making these decisions.Or consult me or Sam actually or
anyone who who actually watches the game or or or is involved in
the scene because we might have a better idea than the than the
the large language models. I don't really get it, but

(29:13):
Dexter's is hysterical. So Dexter decor or flop is
that's actually just like shit shitter.
Bingo. So.
What have you cooked some? JT apparently does count as

(29:36):
America's. I think because he's a resident,
right? Like he lives.
Because he's from the lowest priority region, but I thought
that. Yeah, maybe.
I thought the slot goes to the strongest region, so I thought
they'd become a European team. I'm looking at the roster like
if. If they were two Americans, 2
Europeans and a third, yeah, they would go to Europe.

(29:58):
Now, when the rules changed, they would have been European,
I'm pretty sure. It didn't, it didn't tell me who
to sign, it told me to keep JT, keep halls working femme and
then just ditch NA which like honestly is kind of based.
OK, Deeha Sijot Andu who it thinks is an orpa.

(30:22):
Sijot was also a nine I'm prettysure with Fuzzy.
B Mass. Fucking B Mass.
What player? Perfecto and Dexter.
I I mean, maybe it's not giving you free agents, I'm not really
sure, but. Maybe, but I've either way.
Bemos is a Monte. Christ over way you you just

(30:45):
look at this and you understand why and how wild card could have
done anything they did because like I don't being funny.
I don't know how pee ping is done.
How's pee ping done? Let me.
Not great. Let me check, is he not?
But the team's not done great. He's.
Named Jackson. Oh, he's been crap.
No, but like, OK, the team's notbeen great, sure, but that's an

(31:07):
unacceptable level for an international aspiring team
like, and and a team that wants to play internationally cannot
have a player that's this bad ontheir team.
They just, they just can't. Yeah.
Like it's it's just it's not doable even when you're playing
the better teams. Like I'm pretty sure getting

(31:28):
info are OK. Yeah, you should still be like
shit Ding so. Just the current wild card
roster though. Is is Stan Fuzzy Piku, Jaber and
Peeping Yeah Piku who's who's been on OG for like a century?
I actually quite like that signing for what it's.
Worth. He's still 22.

(31:48):
I think he's tidy, but yeah, yeah, yeah, I JJ peeping.
It's totally the wrong word to use there.
It's a balsam maybe? OK.
Jackson, Jackson Cornwell. Yeah, crazy name, shit name in
it. I mean, sorry, yeah, it's crazy,
crazy Sorry, sorry, peeping. But yeah, I I, I don't know,

(32:13):
man. Like I'm.
Whoever did that, whoever was was, was, you know, monkey
breathing away on ChatGPT. They shouldn't have a job
anymore. I want that to be clear.
They shouldn't have a job. Yeah, and so so The thing is
right. Obviously fuck the org, but as a
team I quite liked. An org that sorry, has been gift

(32:34):
given stickers for twos in a rowthough because of basic.
Well, basically because of fuzzyand stuff.
Yeah, so I I quite liked their old team.
Yeah, me too. I like it a lot less with this
peeping fella. Seems a bit rubbish but like

(32:55):
fuzzy JBA fiku stand that's decent.
I think if you can get a fifth on to that it's probably got
like the pop off level of SUS. You may be better than you you
were before because Fiku is probably better than Sonic.
Yeah, they may be about the same.
I don't. Really.
I mean, didn't Psych beat them just to win?

(33:17):
Yeah, I think, I think so. Don't blame it.
I'm blaming that on peeping for the sake of my agenda.
MHL is on wild card Academy. Yes, I did know that.
What's far? Yeah, What's that?
I think they had fucking man like friend on the fucking main.
Yeah, he's. Just he's just gone now.
Yeah, he's rubbish anyway. Anyway, my real hope for this

(33:43):
team. Total annihilation.
Of the organization, yes, and I hope that Marvistar Coy is seen
as they're teasing a return. Just come back and and sign them
and then sign a real player instead of PPP.
Yeah, maybe, maybe. Yeah, let's move on because I
feel like that was very erratic because while I enjoyed it as

(34:07):
well. The other big roster move that I
feel like we're talking about for maybe four or five weeks
now, spirit of finally signed Tania to replace some ticks
which we all knew coming. And I think rightfully we all
questions on to it. He's like, he's fine.
They're still winning things, Tania.
Looks quite normal in that photo.
I think they're going to be really OK, or they've given him
some. Normally.

(34:28):
Looks like. Short of something.
What? A few evolutionary stages, yeah.
So maybe wrong in gestation. Maybe, but the the move I don't
really you can talk about like Tania's already very good spirit
of still winning things, so it doesn't really matter.

(34:49):
The interesting bit is Zontix's statement and Spirit's statement
about Zontix, which if you couldpull up Charlie.
This was unbeknownst to us, I believe.
It's an yeah go with go with spirits first.
We'll go with official statementfirst.
But you know, it's so rifle of the teams where it maintains 2
roster. Miloslav Zante Sloslota has been
benched through his own personalrequest, which is shocking.

(35:11):
And it says several months ago he informed the 2 Spirit
management that he needed some time off in order to solve
certain personal issues. Maybe that's burnout, maybe
that's pressure, maybe that's Chinese Eagles, I don't know
what is some time off. And they said that it took us a
while to provide him the opportunity, but we respect
this. Basically they're saying he
wanted wanted to break. We said yes, but we couldn't
make it happen straight away. So he said that's fine, I'll

(35:33):
place that you can, which I think is class from him.
I think that's like very respectable, honestly, and kind
of increases my estimation of him.
I never thought he was a Dick head, but like I thought that
was very good. And basically, yeah, the key,
the kicker here is we wish you solve all your problems as

(35:54):
possible. And of course, you were too
highly anticipated. He's not for sale.
He's not been listed to go anywhere.
They want to keep him. What's interesting is they've
got the bag on Tania I believe 1.5 mil.
I don't know how to. Relax.
I think that was suggested to befalse by striker, I think, but
yeah. That's not money on Tania.

(36:15):
I think the real thing is you'renot just a part of our roster,
you're a part of team spirit. Like I think there's things that
have happened in the past with teams.
I can't think of a specific example off the top of my head,
but like it really wouldn't surprise me if Stan never plays
for Australis again. Yes, whereas this sounds very

(36:36):
genuine. Like, you know, like.
I feel spirits have always been quite good with their
communications. It it wouldn't surprise me if in
six months time there's a Stan and blame F swap deal kind of
thing or, or like, yeah, it it'sjust announced like Stan Will
Majesque is going, Stan will notbe returning, our replacement
will be announced soon, yada, yada, yada.
And it's just like, oh, he's never coming back and this was

(36:56):
just a, a safe. It's it's the device on that
kind of thing, right where he's like Bench, but like he he is
not playing that team member again.
Should I mean, yeah. Yeah, right.
But this, this just doesn't feellike that.
The thing that's weird of this is that like Tania is better

(37:16):
than Zontix in terms of. France.
Yeah, he is. But Zontix is still good and
Zontix is still a very like roleplay wise is good.
So like the accommodations that will have to be made, I'm not
saying they're going to be huge,but like.
Does the era? As a team, get better here.
The interesting thing as well isthat Tania had already swapped

(37:38):
roles slightly for Nilo, coming in at heroic to a point where
yes, at his preferred level or preferred preferred spots, Tania
can come in and replace some ticks.
Like quite one for one probably take more rotation spots than
anchor spots, whatever. But because of those changes he

(38:05):
made, it means he could also probably quite comfortably do
what magics or sway has been doing.
Which kind of leads me to think that because of what I know
about the cost of Sway, which wasn't much compared to the
outlays that. Spirit is it?

(38:27):
Are there 3 moving parts here? Right?
Yeah. They come at different times
kind of thing. Well, yeah, compared to what
Spirit can afford to spend, Likeobviously Shero was really
fucking expensive like. Spirit, I've got money, they've
got money. Spirit of an organization with a
lot of money and if they wanted to buy Monosy when Monosy was
leaving, they could have. If they didn't have Donk.

(38:50):
Spirit are one of the few teams that could buy Donk.
Yeah. So I kind of feel like.
Do is why out when when something was back?
In Yeah, I, I kind of feel like unless he really picks up
because I don't think he's been particularly good.
He's been fine, I just hope theydon't flamous him, you know what

(39:11):
I mean? Well, he's got a one point O
rate in the last three months, which is I feel like
considerably worse than when he was on the Amiga.
Yeah, but the. Last three months one point OO
if I change that to last six months it shoots up to 1.112025

(39:33):
yeah one point 1.10 so like he'smassively struggling since
moving on both CT and T side actually his CT rating is lower,
which is like typically most players are higher rated on the
CT side. I know obviously CS 2 has been
quite T sided so that could havean effect, but like I don't

(39:58):
think he's exactly lived up to the bill, but I don't think that
they've really had. To.
Well, I hate that and I don't really think.
They've given him the opportunity to the whole thing
with with the heroic move, right, Like bring Nilo in and
like he's like a one for one roll swap of Dania basically,
and he Ben Jack's flowers, You know what I mean?
And I was like, what the fuck? Obviously, these things were

(40:20):
kind of in the background, right?
Yeah, right. So, yeah, it's and so, so the
whole thing like when they signed to NIA, right, the like
the phrasing that was used was that like he had a a contract
clause where Spirit could activate his buyout.
Yeah, it was like 1 specific organization.
I don't know why that was because of the loan they have

(40:41):
for and and and Cam whatever thethe.
Yeah, something like that. Him or when they signed in from
gun 5 because I believe OverDrive is also part of the
gun Five thing, which is always dodgy.
Fantastic. Is that, is there something
there where he was like, yeah, you can sign the heroic, they

(41:01):
can sign you, but there's goes anew contract?
Yeah, so fucking Chelsea. And they were like, yeah, play,
play under sore for a bit, you know, get comfortable at tier
one. I will.
I'll be back. Yeah.
You put him in the in the grow bag.
Jump in to to flourish. Maybe that's why you look normal
on the photo. In the KFC bucket jersey.

(41:23):
It's weird, but. I just kind of feel like, like
Charlie, if you go onto the Zontix statement, I am expected
to be back competing this winter.
That's not fucking far away. That could mean that you know
spirit. Winter's technically like 3
months away. Yeah, yeah.
But it could mean that, you know, Spirit have kind of said

(41:45):
like, let's see what happens Appslash with the major and after
that Zwei loses his spot and then we have chopper tenure,
Zontix dunk, Shiro or potentially something even more
like. Back off like down to Spirit
Academy, just like, yeah, just look, get some reps.
Here on the Academy. We'll sell you for a bag in a

(42:07):
year's time. No, I think you sell them
instantly. Is this stock going to be good
though? I think he'll be good enough
based on what he I think based on what he was like in Omega and
how much Bella paid for him, I think it's it's good enough.
Like Sway will still be considerably cheaper and Spirit
can still make 50% profit. It's.

(42:27):
Good to you having in it, it's really like.
Spirit, like it doesn't take a big fee for them to make 50%
profit. Like a very small fee.
Like, I don't think it was ever made public, but people would be
very surprised how. Little.
How little he cost and how little phase offered compared to
what he was going to cost, Yeah.I think I forgot phase one of

(42:52):
them. Yeah, yeah.
So there are plenty of teams that could could take him and it
wouldn't even be a particularly big outlay.
I I imagine Fanatic paid a hell of a lot more for Jambo.
Yeah. Than they would need to spend on

(43:13):
sway. Put it.
Put it that. Way.
So. Yeah, it it just does put an
asterisk on on the future of theteam though, doesn't it?
Or it does, it does. But I also think that maybe as
well maybe they've learnt from their mistake.
Like I think it was really obvious after Shanghai when you

(43:37):
look at the year spirit it had. Obviously they battered.
Cato absolutely ran through everyone.
I think from that point we probably all thought that they
would have the year that Vitality's had this year, right?
Yeah. And they just didn't.

(43:57):
Did they win free tournaments? Spring final major and.
Kind of, yeah. They bombed out Cologne that
year. They like bombed out Stage 1
Stage 2, sorry. And I think when we, you know,
when we watched them win Shanghai, obviously we're like,
oh, they they probably should dowhat Vitality did after Paris
and still make a change. And obviously Magics fucked in
the final. And it was like, oh, OK, they're

(44:19):
not going to make changes. You can't do that.
And they've they've been, they've been pretty bad in the
first half of the year, all things considered.
They they were only winning bum tournaments.
Obviously, they've now won't. Collide.
I think the issue is also is like bad by spirit standard is
is so like a spirit. There's a lot of vitality.
Have they? No.

(44:39):
Which is still in something to watch out for, right?
But like, bad by spirit standardis like not making finals.
That's what you have to remember, right?
Yeah, a team of this calibre should be in the final and
basically everyone. But it it, you know, it's like,
I think the the really worrying loss for them, for me was when
they, I can't remember what tournament, but they lost the
Falcons. I think it was the event after

(45:00):
Manus, he signed. And like Spirit hadn't been at
an event for like a fucking month.
Yeah. It's like, was it a stana?
No. Did they understand it?
I don't know. They want us.
Falcons, Pakistan. Pakistan.
Right, Yeah, no, I I feel like it was an IEM or something in
ESL might be Dallas, but it but it was just like, OK, spirit

(45:20):
haven't been seen for a month. Maybe.
I think it might be Dallas. Like, there's no real excuse for
them to come in and not win thisevent.
Yeah. And then they lost to a Falcons
team that had, like, recently made a change.
It's like, OK, you guys aren't fucking good enough.
And and I think that was, that was always going to be their
mistake at the end of last year.And I'm thinking maybe they've

(45:41):
learned from that and maybe theyunderstand that.
Proactive, proactive, proactive changes rather than, yeah,
reactive. I just, I just think that maybe
now they understand that yes, Donkey is by far better than
anyone else. And yes, Shiro.
Is, but you can't just have him.Shiro is a top three author, a
superstar for every team on Earth apart from two others, but

(46:05):
you can't just rely on them and if you want to be consistent.
Shiro about the monosy. Right now, yes.
Typically no, like if you if youwant to be consistent, if you
want to be even 50% of what vitality were in the first half
of the year, because that was freakish.
Your team just doesn't cut it. And I think, you know, Spirit
obviously want to be that. So yeah, definitely something to

(46:30):
keep our eyes on because I have a feeling this current 5 for
Spirit that will play in whatever the next fucking event
they play is. It'll be Chengdu, I believe.
Maybe pro league pro? League.
Oh, Pro League, obviously, yeah.Yeah, I have a.
Feeling pro league? Party.
Yeah, I have a feeling. Whatever Team are you, you

(46:54):
traitor. What?
I'm wearing a Blast hoodie. Yeah, that's disgusting.
I've just been to a blast event where I worked for blast.
Sorry. You're not there now.
Oh, sorry, it's quite. We're an unbiased podcast now.
Shit, no it's not. It's really not.
You're fucking good, you. Are anyway.

(47:15):
Anyway. The Spirit team prediction Now
the spirit team that plays at Pro League will not be the
spirit team that plays at IEM Krakow.
Yeah. I and leave that run the fucking
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All right, so as I just said, I've been at Blast London.
I was in the pist tent. I tried to get out the pist tent

(49:00):
a lot. Charlie was in Blast London with
me. He did some interviews you can
find them in. One of these playoff teams is
not like the other. Shut up.
Anyway, you can find the interviews that our editor,
producer Charlie, did in the TLDR newsletter, which you have

(49:22):
just watched an ad read for, andit should have made you do, made
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Anyway, come. At Tesco, yeah.
Anyway, yes, I. Want to do it again?
One of these teams is not like the others.

(49:42):
One of these teams is not like the others and it was really
enjoyable. Actually, they were.
Just for them. Because deaf.
Genuinely a lovely bloke. It's really, really sound bloke.
I'd quite like to get him on thepodcast at some point because I
do think he's also just quite fun and the arena really got
behind M80, so that was really nice.

(50:03):
I think their lack of experienceshowed in Map 3 and I'm I'm
careful to do this because so Elliot always talks about pain
as this team that really get hishopes up and then always let him
down. And I'm I'm really careful about
M80 becoming that team for me. I've always kind of root for

(50:24):
them. But I think bloody like this M80
team. I I think I'll see.
Dad. Oh no, he's shy.
I've yeah, as a bloke I fuck with him.
He's a good lady. This is my this is my thing.
Swish is a bum, but he is a bum especially because he got cooked
by stones. So I can't.
I can't respect anyone that can get cooked by stones.
He wasn't there. I don't care.

(50:47):
It doesn't happen if he's there.All right, well, I.
Reckon I reckon he's got hands. More happens than stones,
obviously. As for hexed.
Mikey Schmidt. I still think Hex is fucking
rubbish, but he was actually quite good at this event.
I, I think that maybe he has finally learned how to play the

(51:07):
game and now he just needs to play some consistent Tier 1 to
actually, you know, fully transfer it.
Slacks. I'll never be sure on slacks.
I think I I think I have. I think he's like I in my head.
He's really good. This is.
And he should he he seems like he should be really good.

(51:30):
So this is the thing. But he's not.
I constantly get told by people Slacks is really bad, he's
really slow, he's really shit, he's really stupid.
And I think I therefore have badluck with Slacks because of the
M80 games I actually watch. I sit there and I'm like, you're
kind of all right. Actually, I don't really get why
people hate you. So I certainly think you'd
improve big, I think both the Germans.

(51:52):
Would improve lots of things could it could it would improve
big like an atom bomb Well or you know, just.
Sure. General chemical warfare, yeah.
Three nil. Yeah.
Yeah. Smoke on that big with your new
fucking. Weed sponsor.
Weed sponsor. That's strange, ain't it?

(52:13):
Anyway, yeah, so I just. I quite like and I was happy
they were in playoffs. It's a shame they lost, but I'd
rather I'd rather talk about theteam that they lost too, if
that's all right with you, Jack.You may.
So they lost to Mouse and in the, in the newsletter, I

(52:34):
believe it was the Sunday morning newsletter, Elliot wrote
about how, Oh no, it would have been the Saturday morning
newsletter because so means for Saturday, he wrote about how
there was possibly never a better chance for Mouse to not
only beat Vitality, but go on towin an event in an arena.

(52:56):
And obviously, you know, they'vealready beat Vitality.
They did it at Cologne and they've already won an arena,
They did it at Kluge. And I'm not sure with the level
of people who didn't turn up forLondon, whether winning in
London would have been more thanwould have meant more than
Kluge. Were there more people, Yes,
that probably good Malta than the Ovo Arena.

(53:18):
Maybe on the Friday. Oh no, ironically, maybe on the
Friday it was empty it. Was really embarrassing for UK
the. The crowd was still really loud,
but yeah, it was empty. Yeah, get me a bloody IEM
Cardiff. Get me bloody IEM Cockwash Creek
and let's see how it goes. I am Dudley, but yeah.
And I think Elliot was right in saying that there was no better

(53:41):
time for them to win, beat Vitality and then win an arena
event. And the game against Vitality
wasn't even particularly close like Vitality did.
Look, OK, they did look back to their best, at least for that.
For that series, yeah. Yeah, at least for that game.
And I just think I think Maus can win a title.

(54:06):
I think they could, you know, they could have won Cologne if,
if Spirit didn't have a Spirit game, they absolutely could have
won Cologne. I think Maus can.
They're consistently like there that that like there's no I
don't ever feel like they lose. They don't they don't lose

(54:27):
games. They just like don't win them.
Is that is that a fairway of saying it?
Yeah, do you know what they are to me?
The 2024 Navi in the sense that they don't actually have a true
superstar. I think Sphinx has way too many
just completely impactless games.
Well, no, his player style and you know, not to destroy it

(54:47):
lurking entirely, but like he will have banner games when
everyone else goes as well because then he's behind you.
Yeah. Oh, I've got I've got 3 kills on
the rotator game guys like yeah,well, well done.
You do have to have like, your team get into the site or at
least take control for that, yeah.
But like, you know, against M80,he was 0 and 10 at one point on
Mirage. It was just awful, like
completely terrible rubbish. But I think, you know, they are

(55:11):
that 2024 Navi team where they can stand against these teams
with the superstars. They can give them a fucking
they. Can throw homes, yeah, yeah.
Yeah. But the difference is, is that
and it's where I do think Navi did potentially capitalize on a
vitality that did want to make aroster change.
Like they weren't happy with Sphinx for a long time and again
to Spirit, they were still figuring itself out and a couple

(55:32):
of other issues. I just don't think Mouse have
managed to lift the trophies andI think that is OK, right?
They should still be proud of where they're at, but.
Especially especially for the age of that team, like these
other kids still. And yeah.
They've gotten to a point where some of them are now criminally
underrated, like Exertion is criminally underrated.

(55:54):
Everyone still thinks he's a bumand he's like really good.
Torzi is so good he's overrated,which is insane.
Like it because normally we, youknow, you call someone
overrated, you think they're actually kind of shit.
Torzi's fucking great. It's just everyone assumes he's
like 1.25 rated opera and he's not.
He's like 1.13. Like he's not actually that
spectacular. He's just really fucking stable.

(56:19):
But so, so here's here's my question to you, Jack.
Did they miss their chance to win trophies and therefore will
never really have the chance to win trophies because either
spirit or vitality or maybe evenAG 2 or Falcons will be up?
Or can this mouse team do it with one or two more changes?

(56:41):
I think this mouse team now can still do it.
OK, I I again, I don't think. But can.
OK, no, let me rephrase. Could they be the best team in
the world? Maybe not with Brolin Collin.

(57:03):
It's kind of, it's kind of a concern, isn't it?
And I like Brolin Collin and I like Brolin individually as
well. It's like, I don't need to say
like caviar every time, but likeI just, you know, there's some
players that I just actually just don't have a vibe for.
Brolin's not one of them, but like.

(57:25):
He's not a true blooded IGL where you can forgive the drop
off performance like a Carrigan or a snappy right or a Chopper.
Yeah. I was a * player a couple of
years ago. No, no, no.
But he's he's dropped off enoughwhere there is like a, there is
somewhat of a he. Dropped off more than I thought.

(57:48):
Firepower is such a fucking made-up to him, but like.
Actually it's a stat on HLTV now.
OK, well the roundswing philosophy says suck my nuts.
Let's. Follow the roundswing
philosophy, by the way. It's a great account.
I I'm not aware of this account because the only thing I made it

(58:13):
now and I didn't make it, it's not me.
He. Knows who made it.
He was in the room. Oh, that's all right then.
Funny, but again the the issue Iget back to with this team is
like who is better than Borland?Who, who is going to call for
this team and put the numbers up?
So so this is this is my issue as well right?

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Is it a lease? Is it a lease?
It's a lease mouths. A lease?
Bold mouths. Fuck off.
But so I saw a stat and I can't remember whether it was blast
open or whether it was fuck it in the top 30, top 50, whatever
the fuck it was right? But just put it in whatever

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fucking brackets you want. One of them.
Some of them will be more extreme than the others, but
Mouse, their CT side win rate was second within this metric.
Their T side win rate was the 4th worst.
That falls on your IGL. That is a stylistic issue, yes.
Yeah, yeah. That that that falls.
On what I'm saying about Sphinx right?

(59:16):
Is Sphinx is your star player when your tea side goes well and
he gets behind you? Yeah, behind it, like, you know
what I mean? Like, like it's it's like it's
like get right where like, yes, he was the best lady, but he was
kind of people who were looking at him because the rest of the
team were just winning the roundanyway.
Yeah. Because they didn't look at him.

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They might have had shot him while he was still trying to
spray him. Yeah but but but this is the
thing. You cannot be the best team in
the world with the fucking tea side.
Win right that low. It's it's just not going.
To and making playoffs consistently like that, it's
still is, is impressive. Then still pretty fucking
impressive. It says a lot about how good the
team is. Yeah.
But you're not. You're not going to push.

(59:59):
On I don't want to blame Brolin because I don't think it's his
fault. I think there's another player
you can look at. Jim Fat's been fucking awful
this year. Go on, Jim.
Fat sats, Charlie. Crazy that he was literally
anchor of the year last year as well.
He's fucking terrible right now.Yeah, really, really bad,
actually. Make his stats 2024 Charlie and
then. Jarvis. 1.17 don't worry about

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land doesn't really matter. They all they play is land.
Yeah, so. 18, yeah. Now make it 2.
Remove, remove the landfill because there's been more online
games this year. Now make it 2025.
That's not OK. Fucking hell yeah.
That's not and that is partiallydown.

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Is that Sphinx taking spots? Yes yes, so it's partially down
to Sphinx, but that's not OK. He's now someone that you can
fucking improve upon because if you look at it as well again,
it's CT side rating you what youwant Jim Fat to be your fucking
like yes, he's a small site anchor for the most part, but
you want. Him to be a star, right?
Shush. I'm going to say it's very.

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Not sure he solves the issues. I don't hate it, but I'm not
sure he solves the issues. Shush is a is a call.
The shush would also work. I just don't want it to lose the
best player. But yeah, but I just, I just
think that like Mouse are kind of at the point now where they
could make one or two roster changes and if they're the right
ones, they get better. Again, this the issue is, is

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like, yeah, we're we're talking about like going from a third,
4th, 4th, a third, fourth team at most events to a final slash
winner of most events. Yeah, and that is a jump.
This is this is the difference between fatality Spirit Falcons
at the start of the year than other teams.
Do you know what I mean? Yeah, So poor Jimmy Mouth.

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It's fucking it's. It's hard to do and I like.
I'm normally good at suggesting the names I'm out of names.
Yeah. I I think hooksy is is one of
them. Maybe.
Maybe a prison. Maybe.

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But that, that's a step, step down, isn't it?
Linus, you mean Christen's a step down?
Oh, you mean a step down in terms of who they're picking up?
Yeah, yeah, Linus is ball. That's a ball number pick.
But like, I don't I don't see who else.
And then if you're if you're looking to get more firepower on

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top of it, yeah, tesses because you've got sphinx like and you
just look to have this like terrifying 1 to combo session
and tesses like I don't, I don'tif I say terrifying, it's a bit
limp Dick sometimes, but like is.
That Can you circumcise them? That's staying in, Yeah.

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I'm just, I'm not. It's better than what I was
going to say. So we got, we'll keep it in.
That yeah. All right.
I'm just, I'm just not sure I believe in this mouse team
anymore. Anymore Yeah, it's it's like
yeah, they've had their run at it a few times, yeah and yeah
they've limp ticked it. They've they've they've they've
take the prom heat from Queen home and they can't get it off

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Should I mean. Yeah, looking at other teams,
just very quickly, Furia. Yeah, I'm happy they're in
playoffs. It's fucking awesome.
They're clearly still improving.I love watching them.
I was really surprised by how they got fucking blown apart by
G2 actually. Well, I'm not, because I'm not
talking about this. I think it says more about G2.

(01:03:50):
I think we talked about this before the E Sports World Cup
and like when these G2 changes were announced and you and I
both agreed they basically won that offseason, right?
Yeah. We were like, this team is going
to be a sleeper pick. People aren't going to give them
the credit they deserve, but they can definitely win stuff.
We thought they could win the EWC and we thought they'd win
stuff going forward. And you know, I'm not trying to
be confirmation bias, but the final was tough.

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It was a fucking banger final. And I don't want to jump ahead
too much, but Matthouch is fucking awesome.
And I've been saying that since since Fanatic.
He's not also, he's not on the right Internet.
People are like, Oh yeah, he's sat down.
Like no, he's just good and everyone who disagrees is a
moron. Like he just is very good.
Heavy God is also really good. Bonkers.
Hunter already seems to be like a decent IGL which I think.

(01:04:34):
Seems so comfortable in it which?
Is really predictable. Maobs doesn't even need to be a
star, which is great. Some pious prick.
No, I just I I don't like some pious, but that's.
Fine, but some pious money. Is on, I think.
I think some Pious is a player who at some point could be
improved upon. But when he's on, yeah, he's
like fucking lightning. Like, I saw a tweet, I saw a

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tweet the other day where Rodri Giggs was talking about how his
brother needs to be in the fucking Premier League Hall of
Fame, and everyone was like giving him him and your wife
cheat on you for years. And he was like, yeah, I think
my brother's a cunt, but. Is that the bride of Ryan Giggs?
Yeah, yeah, he's like my brother's a cunt, but I still
respect his achievements. Like that's like me with that's
like me with certain Counter Strike players.

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I've heard things about some pious.
I ain't going into him but. Sure.
So I'm not, I'm not too big on him, but fuck, you know, when he
plays, he's fucking fun and he hits some shots in that game
that like actually like. Insect.
Actually so ridiculously fast. I think we actually cannot
stress enough the impact of Seoul.

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He's fucking he's. He is right now and has been for
maybe three years, the best coaching council, right?
Yeah, and I don't mean like winningest or any of that shit,
but just like his ability to make teams work often with
lackluster budgets and rosters, like consistently he has

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outperformed the players he's had on it in front of him or his
teams have this G2 squad again is like kind of like a they're
not bad players by any fucking stretch, right?
But but it's it's sort of the leftovers in a way, right?
Like. It's another 2024 Navi team.
Yes, you lost Nico, you lost modesty.
Two players who have the best orhave been the best in their
role. Do you know what I mean?

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And you got better. That's fucking.
Sick, I know. So what I will say is I think
they're actually lucky that Liquid wouldn't wouldn't sell
them nuts because I actually think that with Matusch or how
we say it. I think it's Matusch.
Yeah, he he tweeted about it, didn't he?
Yeah, I think that they have a more versatile player than the

(01:06:48):
Nuts I think they've got. So like, I really like Nuts, but
Matusch in that final was like he was doing shit I ain't seen
Nuts do before, especially not on a big stage.
He's like his molecule potentialand this is eye test only just
from me watching him but if there's like two people in front
of him I favour him getting 2 than them trading.
Yeah, yeah, ridiculous. It's like silly I, he's, he's

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like they. It was just a fun final to
watch. Yeah, like I wasn't at the
event. I watched at home but like every
kill I was just like this is fucking great.
G2 are wicked to watch. Part of it is then beating
mentality right? Like beating the villains,
whatever, like Mesi losing and mumbly I am.
That's a shame. Like it would be nice for him to
win at home. Sure, Yeah.

(01:07:31):
But G2 like became like it was MATI think GT became like a fan
favorite at this event. Oh mate.
Us all knowers knew this already.
They completely won over the crowd.
Yeah, completely. Like I don't think anyone in
that crowd gave a fuck that Mesilost by the end.
Not even his wife. Well, maybe she might have, but

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like. I don't know if she was there.
Yeah, she was. Yeah, his kid was as well.
Cute kid, actually. Yeah, can't be said about
that's. I'm kidding.
He, he was on this, this podcast, actually.
He was here, yeah. Yeah, he was.
Anyway, more views than I did. Probably anyway.

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Yeah, just just quickly on Vitality.
Fucking hell, some of their mapsare shambolic at the moment.
That does too. Is terrible.
I'm just saying like fucking like Apex, like full molding at
his team. Yeah, the the train was crap.
Train was my train was also excellent from G2 yeah it was
they were like seven O 8 at one point they were just ripping

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like like. I think it was 6.
I'm sure whatever I think it waslike it just worked like like
everything they did was working.And that's that's it's like like
a combination of like flow state, but also like just kind
of being locked in and and like being knowing you can do it.
They were just in and just bang,bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.
Yeah. I mean, I was like had a tweet
here where they said Vitality played training the exact same

(01:08:59):
way than six months ago. It's true.
And there you go, that's the take of the week because we've
totally forgot about it. But anyone we had was really
bad. So that's the take of the week.
Thank you. This.
Is the take I entirely agree with, yeah.
But but this is but this is it is true, like vitality looks so
out of sorts on some maps and it's because they probably just
haven't actually managed to improve on them and.

(01:09:22):
I, I, I think the pursuit of improvement is sometimes lost
when you're successful, right? This is the whole thing is like
being the best is easy. Staying the best is really hard.
Yeah. And and I think Vitality seeing
that right now, you know, are they dead?
Are they over? No, obviously not, right.
They're still a fucking incredible team.
But like. It's probably it's.

(01:09:43):
Kind of interesting. I think it's a very interesting
thing, right? Where if you look in the last
few years of Counter Strike and you can go further back because
you know, Australis eventually broke up because they were so
tired and the org wasn't giving them the time they needed, which
is why they had all the fucking standings.
You sort of like fucking S Tag and Yugi and fucking snappy play
for the org or whatever, like all that.

(01:10:06):
They had Dennis at what? Like a Blast event, didn't they?
No, that was before the era. Oh.
OK. Yeah, that was when device first
had just health issues. They had Rubino and Dennis and
Dupree. Still not forget?
Yeah, Yeah, but, but so since Australis, if you look at the
teams that have dominated, right, Liquid dominated up until

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a player break, Phase dominated up until a player break.
Navi dominated up until a playerbreak.
Vitality dominated up until a player break.
I think that is the thing where they, they they all won so much.
And I know, I know from speakingto them, Liquid had some things
over that player break that meant they needed an extended
break. And obviously Navi had some

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pretty shit stuff going on. Yeah, that happened.
Didn't. That, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Bit of bit of war and whatnot. But I think The thing is when
you win that that many events, yeah.
I'm not saying you lose your hunger, but going into that
break will be so much different.Being the favorite helps.

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It does help. It it but yeah, but going into
that break would be so differentmentally because once you've won
everything for six months, you're like, ah, fucking hell, I
can I can finally put my feet off.
Like, yeah, great season. Whereas if you if you've.
Been on Tier 2? Team or whatever.
Or you've had a season. You cut your break 2 weeks
short, you start boot camp. Early well, when you're when

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you're. You're D Ming every day
throughout the holiday. When your spirit, your, your
mouse, your G2 is a new team especially, but you, you're all
of these things. You sat there and you're like,
you know what? This season wasn't fucking good
enough. We've got three weeks to have a
break. All right, let's have a break
for two weeks. Let's fucking get on it.
And then we we've got an extra week on vitality and at Tier 1

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CS with, with how many events they play.
Like I tell you, spent seven weeks on the road.
We're seven weeks into this season, by the way, they've been
on the road the entire time. That's very little time to
practice. Yeah.
Where these things will now get caught out and it's a big reason
why G2 did get the win aside well.
This is the the the again look like really.

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Fucking good. Especially on train but across
the series in general. Like you can check the stats
like Zoe was kind of isolated. They they kind of shut him down
a lot. Like obviously he was the best
player on the tally like you know, but like a + 20 is is not
as I would final. By the way, by the way, by the
way, go on all maps, Charlie. So he's 87 and 67.

(01:12:41):
Yeah, I'd like to remind you if he went 30 and six on Mirage.
Yeah, so you know. So take, I know that obviously
you can't really take that away,but if you if you take that away
for a second. Yes, it's even worse.
It's it's a bad, it's a bad final for him, actually.
I know it's like, you know, he'sexpected to be some like Tracy,

(01:13:02):
good player all the time, so I know, but you're like training
inferno. He was, he was, he was just shut
down. Like they didn't give him a
chance to get going, which I don't want to say vitality
system relies on him, but it kind of.
It does to an extent. Depends.
To a degree, yeah. Like, like, like that system's
good, but it also like the system is the best when he's the

(01:13:25):
best. You know what I mean?
Yeah. Good event though.
Really good event. Really good event.
Yeah, I still think minus the piston, the catering was bloody
lovely. The catering was fucking
phenomenal. Again, shout out to whoever does
it. I think there's a company called
like Eat to the Beat or some shit.
Shout out to them. Sounds like Meechen's finisher.

(01:13:47):
They're. Really good, yeah.
I still think Vitality probably are the best team in the world.
Yeah. And until they face Spirit, I'm
going to call them the best teamin the world because they're
still, you know, making the semior final consistently.
And that's kind of how we have to look at things in a knockout
tournament based. The metric is consistency, isn't
it? Right.
Yeah, that's the thing. Still considering everything the

(01:14:11):
favorite for Budapest as well. But the the point I want to end
this week's podcast on is I think, and to be fair, I
probably thought it even before I'd watch them fire a bullet.
I think G2 should now be considered the gambit or Cloud 9
for Budapest. Yeah.
I mean, I'd give them maybe evena bit more credit than that, but

(01:14:35):
yes. Possibly.
Yeah, you're a. Sleeper pick.
Yeah, yeah. They're the team that you're not
going to like if if someone asksyou for free, free favourites,
you're not going to say to you 2.
You're going to say, you know, mouse spirit, vitality, or maybe
you'll throw Falcons in that. But if you're surprised, like
if, if they win in Budapest and you're surprised, you don't know

(01:14:57):
enough about Counter Strike. And it's it was the same with
Gambit back in Krakow. If you didn't watch.
Cloud 9. In Boston final do like just do
just watch it. Just put the vault on it.
It's, it's really good, yes. This is this is a team that can
be any team in the world and thereason especially why they can

(01:15:18):
do it is because their lowest rated player in the final was
their upper and he wasn't even particularly bad.
They beat the best team in the world without their all playing
well and the best player on the best team in the world is is
their upper. That shouldn't happen.
They did like G2. I would say G2 above mouse

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actually do have the ability to be the best thing in the world.
I've got a question. Go on.
Should Mato should have won the MVP?
No. OK.
No heavy guy actually should have.
Did heavy guy win it because of round swing?
Nobody did factor in, if I remember right.

(01:16:03):
Yeah, I was talking. I was talking to.
Harry I just no, I like, I thinkI don't think he shouldn't have,
but I just think also I wouldn'thave been.
I wouldn't have gone. Oh, Heavy got robbed if Mathis
won. Do you know what I mean?
I think they both could have hadit.
What I can say because obviouslyyou know, like HLTV have the
conversation in private. I have never seen HLTV take so

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long to come up with the MVP foran event.
That's pretty cool. Then it it was a serious debate
and they were actually quite lucky that Heavy got had to had
to go and do something with a Costreamer because it took them a
long time to decide. It's cool the Blasts do like
their own MVP. They used to.

(01:16:44):
I don't think they do anymore. OK, I don't think they do
anymore. Oh, it's like the the the
ESLDHLMVP is like yeah, yeah, they.
They don't. They don't.
If they do, they don't make it athing like ESLD.
But yeah. And if I remember right, Harry
did vote for Heavy God so. No, the same obviously.

(01:17:08):
Yeah, it was. It was incredibly close.
Either one of them would have been a deserving MVP, but Heavy
God was just so good throughout the event and that final map as
well. I do think there's something to
be said, like I know Mattis Matusch took over on the T side,
but that CT side out of heavy gold was fucking immense.
Like it's, I think it was 16 andsix free one VXS.

(01:17:31):
Yeah, yeah, that's a. That's a fucking half to have,
that is. Against the team like a phenom
like mentality where they are scary, they are meant to be the
best team in the world, they're just kind of having the fucking
gonads to just, you know, RIP onhim like that.
Yeah, kind of awesome. Oh, he also got an ace, didn't
he, on round one? So yeah.

(01:17:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What a what a fucking
performance. I've just got one more bit of
news if if you're done. Oh God, it's.
Just the PGL thingy. So PGL.
Of course you want to talk about.
No, I just, I just want to say just something.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I am Chengdu have like a
scheduling issue where like if you are at Bucharest, you can't

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make it to Chengdu in time, right, for the for the event,
which seems logical, but I believe some teams are kind of
trying to do what they did with Asana and Dallas where they'd
like forfeit the first game or like play late.
I think ESL said, like, yeah, you can't do that, by the way,
Like if you're going, you can't go.
And if and if you say yes and then decline the event

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afterwards, you'll you will you'll miss out on cracker as
well, which is a normal rulebookship.
And in kind of a shocking move, PGL has made the event.
I don't know if they've made it shorter or or or moved it back,
but the event will end on Saturday now, which is weird.
I was very surprised when I saw.It especially given that, you

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know, teams like game of Legion already turned down Bucharest to
attend Chengdu if I believe or maybe the other round.
Now there are some they're playing one, one event in three
weeks, right? Whereas some teams you get to
play two in three weeks. It's all a big shit show to be

(01:19:18):
honest. I don't want to speak on either
side. PGL was saying like ES, LS,
bullying and all this stuff. Like whatever the teams, the
teams accept the invites, the events they want to go to.
That's the objectively true do you know what I mean?
But the fact they can change theevent dates this close to the
event and all the rules that BRSsupposed supposed to implement,

(01:19:39):
that's a little bit worrying. Oh, it's terrible, Yeah.
But that shouldn't happen. It's, it's terrible.
I mean team should never accept the invite for both events
anyway. I think ultimately it falls onto
the teams. I don't think the T OS should
get the blame, but I think when you when you've now got this
situation where people will be able to play 2 events, it's

(01:20:02):
pretty fucking bad. It's it's also just like, but
also for the players. You finish the event in Central
Europe and then fly to China thenext day.
Yeah. You skipped me today.
Which is, I believe, like look down on less than skipping a
game. They obviously, but it's still
not fucking cool. It still fucks over the the the

(01:20:23):
TO right like the content they want to get from you if you've
won that event. I don't think the teams are like
crazy high caliber at Bucharest,but it's.
Page Elephant mate. So my number for a shot on them
because I'll get called a shell or whatever, but OK, no, I mean
spirit. I'll do it.
These are predicted teams, but there's there's meant to be good
teams there, right? Like there are meant to be.

(01:20:45):
The the thing that the thing that gets me is like, why is it
even a conversation anyway? Because if you look at Pro
League, what's the next event after Pro League?
Is it like a bounty or something?
It's the CS Asia Championships. CSC.
There are one team. Isn't that the other one where

(01:21:06):
they've got broken invites Like there's like mad?
Yeah, yeah, that should not be Avrs event at all.
But there is, there is one team.Oh wait, hang on stage. 1233
teams? Yeah, in the CS Asia
Championships that are also in Pro League and there's two days

(01:21:29):
gap for them to get to China from Stockholm.
Yeah. Why the fuck are the
organizations accepting these invites?
But because vRS has put some position where teams have to
basically try and get to every event to get as many land wins
as possible. It's it's just ridiculous like
that. That has to be looked every.
Episode devolves into US shipping on vRS, but it's just.
It's yeah, we're not we're not going to do it because we're an

(01:21:50):
hour and 20 minutes in. But that's that's one thing in
vRS that absolutely has to be fixed for next year.
One interesting because it can'twe've we've so many Tios back in
it. Which is a good thing, by the
way. And also actually, I do want, I
do want to talk about this because this has reminded me.
So you're getting a couple extraminutes of us, the ship that is
going down in Asia with the the race for qualifications.

(01:22:15):
No, no, no, the the race for qualifications.
So I haven't had time to read this yet but Charlie if you go
onto the news just the page on TV homepage and click on the
third story down the how the CS scene got into an arms race for
last minute vRS points. Haven't had the chance to read
this yet but looking at the namethat wrote it's going to be a

(01:22:37):
fucking good piece. Shout out to Mira the GOAT.
What is going on in Asia is insane.
Right, so suddenly all of these events have popped up in China
and Mongolia to have reasonable prize pools.
Who knows when they'll get fucking paid out that only have

(01:23:00):
Chinese and Mongolian teams in to the point where there is a
actually decent chance that Fyquest will not be at the major
because they will slip that far down from only being in
attendance at Tier 1 events. Why is that allowed?

(01:23:20):
The again these like last minutelands and like they should not
be having the toll the same way as like Tier 1 lands.
But you should have made a system where you have to go to
all these shit events, you know,not in the events of shit, but
like shit Tia. Then like your fraggadelphis and
stuff. Like it ruins it for the epic

(01:23:42):
land now has the European teams going like established Tier 2
teams. Philadelphia has European teams
going over. Do you know what I mean?
Like it's fun or whatever, but it means like the grassroot.
Delphia has Philadelphia has so many European teams going over
the NA teams can't even get a spot that's.
What I'm saying like the grassroot event for the local
people, the BYOC, where you go and fucking get shit out with

(01:24:04):
your friends and then and then just have some fucking beers.
Like you can't do that anymore. Like.
Fucking like, that's the thing like that that frustrates me is
we're actually like, we're actually killing like the bottom
end of like the casual end as well, not even like like the
bottom end of pro. Oh yeah, we're killing some.
Just amateur. Amateur scene.
It's ridiculous. But yeah, so I think that just

(01:24:26):
just as another thing, there area couple of things that need to
change in in vRS. Obviously there needs to be
rules about accepting invites. I think that needs to come from
Valve. I think that needs to be a thing
that protects players, that comes from Valve, that says you
cannot attend an event that begins.

(01:24:46):
Within three or four days or. Whatever within Yeah, probably
72 hours, but realistically it should be 96 hours.
But because of how our calendar is, maybe that's hard, but you
probably shouldn't be allowed toattend an event that begins 72
hours after the end of your previous event.

(01:25:06):
And then it should probably havea clause that says like if it's
over a certain amount of miles, because obviously, you know, if
you did an event in London and then Birmingham.
That's not. Yeah, yeah.
That is what, 150 mile if? That the The thing is about
like, I just want to say on thisPGL topic, like they were
basically saying that like, Oh, we SL announced that day.
It's half the rest incorrect. They also saying like, you know,

(01:25:27):
are the calendar's too full and and they're like, you know,
dominating monopoly, all the shit like whatever you want to
say, there is room before Bucharest starts for them to
move that event back by two by by a week or, or half a week or
whatever to not end the day before Shingdu starts.
Yeah, it's not like ASL don't announce their calendar a while.
No. Do you know what I mean?

(01:25:47):
And also like. I know PGL did as well because.
They know I, I know, but I thinkit's just, it's like, it's just
like making this villain that doesn't actually exist.
Yeah, we shouldn't be by the Saudis then, should you?
But but but you know. But my final note on this
though, is just like, there's more to it.
VRS has got to go blood. It does, but there's there's

(01:26:07):
more to these invite things thanwhat like, you know, TO owners
are going to say TOCEOS because the teams are choosing where
they're going, right? Well, not even the teams the the
team. If a certain org is offering you
better incentives to attend all of their events, you're not in
the wrong for going to them. Yeah.

(01:26:29):
All that means is the other CEO should also offer better
incentives or whatever, right? Whether it's revenue share,
whether it's like multiple attendance multiplier, all this
stuff like. So this is this is.
A great market both for the players and for the and for the
the Tos, right? But that's also an issue, right?
The the issue is that vRS has created a thing that can be

(01:26:49):
manipulated to the point where we'll now need probably 6 vRS
regions. So A-Team like Fly Quest doesn't
just get cunted by Chinese fucking Tos that magically
exist, but it's also created an arms race for teams where
players are going to have to do unhealthy things and play a shit
ton of fucking garbage fucking lands, probably with very little
travel time. I mean look at what M80 and

(01:27:12):
fucking Fanatic were doing during Blast Open by the way.
Go and look at all the matches they played.
M80 played 1A best of three at 4:00 in the morning and then
played against Vitality like less than 12 hours later or
something crazy like that. Fanatic Wonderland while playing

(01:27:33):
blast open. So just insane shit like that
and T OS are having to do this insane underhanded shit spending
loads of money on top to like make orgs want to go to their
events, blast F the frequent flyer things.
They've all got their club sharebullshit that it's just like
this isn't. This isn't good for the fucking

(01:27:55):
scene. There's going to be so many orgs
that run themselves into the ground to try and get vRS points
for so few major spots. This isn't good for Counter
Strike and it needs. The last thing soon that makes
me struggle is, you know, of monopoly, bad competition breeds
innovation, etcetera, etcetera. Now there's competition is an

(01:28:18):
issue, you know, it's just silly.
But yeah, but I think it's only an issue because Valve are.
Incredibly irresponsible. Made it be an issue.
Yeah, yeah. True.
Incredibly, incredibly irresponsible.
And with that I think we should leave it because chatting.
Too long. We've been chatting too bloody
long and I actually kind of wantto play some Counter Strike and

(01:28:40):
then, well, I intend to cool. So with that, thanks for
watching. Everybody.
Yeah, cheers. Cheers for that guys.
I've followed. I've been sad.
I have a Twitter. I don't know what side I am, I
don't follow. Me follow someone.
Yeah, fucking follow Charlie. Jack, follow producer Charlie
James. There might be as well.

(01:29:02):
If you don't, yeah, follow Elliot.
And also there might be someone else here next week.
Might be. There's a chance.
Maybe. I don't know, maybe potentially.
Other than that, hope everyone gains himself into a coma
tonight. I don't have that.
Don't do that. Just get a good night's sleep.
How long can you get a good night's sleep?

(01:29:23):
Bye bye.

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