January 15, 2025 • 30 mins
Spiritual wanderers unite as we journey through the evolving landscape of the soul. Our discussion likens this evolution to ascending life stages or leveling up in a video game, contemplating the presence of souls in animals and the existence of multiple realms. These considerations invite us to question and celebrate the many interpretations of spiritual growth beyond the tangible world.
Seeking answers in the mystical labyrinth of life, we explore past life memories and the phenomenon of soul connections. Do memories of past lives simply fade, or are they concealed within us, waiting to be unlocked? We tackle the notion of soulmates and the possibility of souls migrating together across lifetimes, possibly explaining inexplicable connections and synchronicities with others. This episode of Pagan Coffee Talk is a rich tapestry of spiritual exploration, urging us to embrace the mysteries of reincarnation and the roles our souls might play in shaping our experiences and bonds.
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
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So now, with that said, let's talk about something
else.
All right, a couple of weeksback, we were interviewing a new
student and she was bringing upthe conversation of
reincarnation.
Yes, so I figured me and youwould talk about this, because,
believe it or not, we actuallyhave different viewpoints on
this.
Yes, we do.
All right, so where would youlike to start with this?
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I mean, we both believe inreincarnation.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
All right, let's start.
Where do you believe?
Like I do?
I believe that thereincarnation cycle goes from
male to female, back and forthNow and again.
I know some people don't.
They think once you're born aguy, you're always.
That soul's always repeatedlyborn a guy or woman.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Well, I don't believe that, but I also don't believe
it goes back and forth like that.
I think it's completely random.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I could see where it would be random All right.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
I think it's more like a luck of the draw.
It's like you know, somebodyout there's rolling dice and, oh
look, you're gonna be a catthis time no, I mean I can see
that because you know.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
again, if the thought is is that you know you get
pregnant and the souls start tomigrate in there and out that
that there are certain physicalrequirements needed by certain
souls, I mean I need this one tobe able to process this.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
See, I don't really know, how that works.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
But I can see what you mean by it being more random
, that well, you might be born awoman three times in a row, but
it just happens to be the bodyyou fit into, right, okay now,
what about?
Now?
Let's talk about stuff likebecause I always think we should
, as priests and priestesses, asspiritual leaders, try to
figure out a spiritual meaningto some of the things that
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happen to us.
Okay, all right, so, likespiritually, how do we explain
transgenderism?
Because, again, if we'rebelieving, so, like spiritually,
how do we explaintransgenderism?
Because, again, if we'rebelieving that, like I said, I
believe that it goes back andforth, that you might, and
you're a little bit more random,I can either one of these I can
sort of go with all right.
But the idea that you'recontinuously a man I don't have
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a I have an issue with.
I'm not saying I'm right orwrong on this have a I have an
issue with.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
I'm not saying I'm right or wrong on this.
Well, I could.
I could kind of see that lineof thought where it's like you
go through one thing untilyou've maxed out on it and then
you move on to something elsewell again.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
It's like we've like we've talked before.
You know people that just knowhow to play a piano or an
instrument, or just be able todraw or paint or whatever.
We believe this is memories andskills carried over from
previous lives, repeated overand over again, where you've
repeatedly been a musician or ascientist or whatever.
I could see.
We're in a world okay, you'vegotten to a rut and was born
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three times in a row as a woman,and the fourth time you come
back as a guy.
You're kind of what and get alittle confused there I could
see that you know all right now.
I mean what the world, theperson, does about that is we're
not getting into.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
I'm just saying what spiritually could cause that
problem right, and that makessense because, especially if
you're going with the morerandom aspect, like like I
believe in, then, yeah, it'squite possible.
You could three times, three,four, five times in a row be a
woman, right, and then suddenlycome back as a man well, I mean
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that's just and it kind of fuckwith you a little.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yeah, I mean that's just as been conceivable as a
soul comes over.
Just well, they were a man inprevious life and then they just
reincarnated as a woman and forsome reason they just bring
those memories over.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Absolutely those feelings over with them.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Absolutely yeah, both feasible ideas, both feasible
ideas, all right, I mean, so wehave a possible spiritual.
All right, I could see where inthe world it would be more of a
bother if you believed in thefact that men always
reincarnated as men and women.
But then I would have to ask ifthat's always the case, how
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does transgenderism happen inthe spiritual realm?
Do you see what I'm saying?
Yeah, I don't think you canexplain it.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
If there's one hiccup there on this, I'd sort of
unless you go with the theorythat there's an exception to
every rule then, if your rule ofreincarnation is that you are
always a man.
If you're a man, you're alwaysa man.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Right, I've heard it over the years like somebody be
born without an arm or something.
Oh, that was because in aprevious life you did something
bad, so they're trying to Okay,that's getting into karma and
karma and all this other stuff.
But again, the idea is is thatstuff like that, you know, being
blind, being dyslexic, allthese physical down syndrome, I
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don't think it's anything weactually plan on in
reincarnation cycle.
It's just the hiccup with thebody and there's you.
You don't know until you'rethere are you with me Right Now?
Speaker 1 (05:46):
I could see where something like that would be all
right.
It's a lesson you need to learnor you need to learn something
from this experience.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
I could see that, but as far as karma, goes the
punishment, or I can't followthat line of thought Well, I
mean, I can't see any soulsitting there going, hey, you
know what?
No, this time I really do wantto be blind.
This body fits me.
It's not completely built.
To some extent, I mean, you'rewith me Technically.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
If we look at babies, they're under construction when
souls oh, absolutely yeah, Imean there's nothing final about
that, because they're underconstruction.
When souls oh absolutely yeah,I mean there's there's nothing
final about that, becausethey're going to be going
through changes right, I meanbecause you don't know what
happens after puberty and allthis other stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
all right, you know, but I have to ask these
questions.
You know, if we believe thatcertain conditions like
transgenderism and certain otherthings are caused by
reincarnation, all right, thatin itself is a hiccup, but is it
something we should ignore,deal with or move on?
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And I'm not how people do it ornot.
I mean, is this something?
When do we blame reincarnationand when do we blame
reincarnation?
When do we blame ourselves, Iguess, is what I'm asking when
is it a punishment?
Is it ever a punishment?
Speaker 1 (07:15):
those are good questions.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I mean, I'm not trying to put anybody on the
spot here.
I'm asking questions if wedon't.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
I think, as far as dealing with it.
I think we're only allowed todeal so much right, because
there are other aspects that gointo dealing with the whole
mental state and everything elsethat's going on with that
person.
Unless you're licensed, I don'tthink that should be in your
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realm of duties.
Duties, I think we can do ourbest to help that person
spiritually, right, that's asfar as it goes.
Yes, as far as explaining itgoes, I mean we can.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
We can throw out theories all day yeah, I mean
you don't know until you're onthe other side and we can't.
We're not allowed to rememberon this side.
I mean you don't know untilyou're on the other side, we're
not allowed to remember on thisside.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Right, so I don't know where you go with that.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
All right.
Something else I think we alsohave a disagreement on on
reincarnation.
I believe in the transmigrationof souls.
You don't, I do not know.
All right, For those who don'tknow.
The transmigration of souls isthe thought that souls start out
as some smaller animal andslowly work their way up to
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bigger and bigger animals,whatever as they can, Even doing
some of the like random stuffyou're talking about until they
can finally become humans orsome other being that is more
advanced than the rest of us.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Right.
See, to me that follows morealong the lines of evolution.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Right.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Which, again, I don't agree with Darwin's theory of
evolution.
Therefore, for me personally itdoesn't translate into
reincarnation.
I can't follow that thought.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
But you believe there's an evolution to the soul
.
I do that.
It grows and changes overlifetime, over lifetime.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
But I see it more like when we're teenagers.
We feel a certain way and webelieve certain things, and then
, as we get older, those ideaschange Right, they develop, they
grow.
Yes, puberty solves a lot ofproblems.
It's the same way I viewreincarnation.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
So as far as the soul quote unquote evolving, that's
how I see it, right.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
I don't see it as an actual evolution like Pokemon or
whatever Are the animes I watch, where they just keep on
getting more powerful.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Yeah.
So, I don't know I hate to bethis way.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
That's sort of how I do see it, though.
I just see souls as thesethings that just keep gathering
knowledge and knowledge and keepon getting bigger and more
powerful.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Well, I didn't say you're not gathering knowledge.
You know, and I didn't sayyou're not becoming more
powerful.
It's just the way it'shappening that I disagree with.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
I'm sort of along the lines of I don't think there's
any scales here, all right, Idon't think.
On the other side, oh no, no,this is just the level one, so
move, all right.
I'm sort of like youeverybody's in their own little
place.
None of us started at the samespot.
None of us are ever gonna.
Well, we all might finish atthe same spot, but right, we're
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not all starting at the sameplace so do you, but do you kind
of see it as like an experiencelevel?
Yes.
So in that sense, for the gamersout there you can see the
experience bar as it's gettingthere and then, once it's full,
you've leveled up.
You leveled up to some extent,but I don't think it works
exactly like that.
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Like oh, as soon as you hitthis no, right that.
Like oh, as soon as you hitthis at night right.
It's more along the lines ofyou get to a certain point and
reincarnating into this plane ofexistence doesn't make no sense
for your growth, all right.
So you just have to go on to adifferent plane of existence and
start reincarnating there okaythat's the funny part about all
this.
(11:21):
You talk to people about allthis reincarnation stuff.
At the end of the day, nobodysits here and goes.
Well, how many realms are there?
How many places do wereincarnate to?
Speaker 1 (11:31):
yeah, that's not.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
You don't hear that conversation no, I mean, we
technically reincarnate intodeath well, yeah, because it's a
whole new chapter of our livesthe soul's moving on it is
literally another realm ofexistence yes, so again, putting
restrictions on things is alittle hard.
But the soul's moving on.
It is literally another realmof existence.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Yes, so again, putting restrictions on things
is a little hard, but I know wehave to have some rhythm to
these processes.
I think we do to an extent.
I think we have to have thatfor it to make sense to us Right
, it may not be what actuallyexists and it may not actually
be the way it actually is Right.
It may not be what actuallyexists and it may not actually
be the way it actually is Right,but it's how we make sense of
it, Right?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
I mean, again, we're not.
When we're looking at thisstuff and yes, we're comparing
it to Pokemon, anime and allthis other stuff, because we
need forms of reference we'renot saying that's exactly how it
is, but I think it's funny howhumanity now starts to think of
this along the lines of videogames and stuff like that on how
all this works, so you honestlydon't believe that your dog has
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a soul.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
No, or your cats, and I can't explain that.
I can't explain that.
It's just something that I feelI don't believe.
They have souls.
Do they have personalities?
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Yes, Well, see, I don't believe all animals have
souls.
I think some animals do, and Iwill go ahead and put that
dividing line there.
Most predators, I believe, havesouls.
Okay, most of the herd animalsdon't.
I think they live off of thesingle conscious thought.
So you think like cows and sheep.
Sheep are more like the Borg.
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They just work in unisontogether.
They really only have a hivemind sense, just like ants and
all that, so they really don'thave souls.
But when you have animals thatare a little bit more
independent big game tigers,elephants, stuff like that,
things that are a little bitdifferent may have a soul
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because they tend to displayindependent behavior versus are
you with me?
Speaker 1 (13:40):
No, I can see that yeah, and that's where in the
world I see that divide.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
I'm not saying I'm right, but that's where I'm
sitting in nature going.
This is where the difference isfor me.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Okay, I just, I don't know, I just grow it up.
I guess this is where I get mymy idea on this right.
Growing up, I was always toldyou know, kids get so devastated
when their pets pass away rightor get run over by a car or
whatever.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Led to that movie.
All Dogs Go to Heaven, Right.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
So you know, as kids, we're told well, your dog's
going to be waiting on you inheaven and you're going to see
him or her again, right?
That always bothered me, forsome reason?
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Because it's never said anything in the Bible about
animals, really, and I guessyeah.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
And I guess that's where it comes from.
I just it.
It felt right for me not tobelieve that animals have souls.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Well, see, the way I'm looking at it is, I'm going
to say this and people are goingto roll their eyes A dog's soul
is not a proper human soul.
Okay, okay, it has to grow intothat.
That.
These animals that I'm talkingabout have souls, but they're
less complicated compared to usAll.
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Right, because, again, mostdogs and stuff like that, they
tend to have that problem ofthey react to the world.
Your dog goes nuts every timeit thunders.
Right, because he doesn'tunderstand what the we don't.
Why don't we?
Because we understand what thethunder is and what it does.
Right now, I don't know wherein the world to call that
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dividing line.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Seeing, you see, what I'm saying, though I can see
where you're going with that,though I really can, Because
dogs do display a level ofintelligence.
Cats as well.
Cats as well.
They do display a level ofintelligence.
It's not on a human level, no,but there is intelligence there.
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They can be taught.
They can be taught, they can beinstructed.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Lady Abba tells me you know, our dog knows too many
words.
She's like how many words didyou teach him?
Speaker 1 (15:56):
He does know quite a few, but there's that
intelligence there.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
But that's where I'm making that distinction that
there is it's growing.
But that's where I'm makingthat distinction that there is
it's growing to that level ofhumanity.
Right, because, again, thatnext stage after us is us
starting to realize somethingelse, Starting to be able to
understand what that otherthunder noise is, that we now
fear what is death.
Right, when we get to thatlevel, we're starting to
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understand that, so we no longerfear it.
Okay, it just becomes longerfear it Okay.
It just becomes a part of ourcycles.
So how many problems do youactually think people have that
are caused by reincarnation?
Because I think that's more ofa cause and punishment like you
punishment or not punishmentthat it's more screw ups,
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hiccups in the system.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
I mean, let's face it , I don't believe that
reincarnation is a perfectsystem.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
No.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
I think it's just like anything else that we have
to go through spiritually,physically, whatever.
Yeah, there's going to behiccups in the system.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
There's going to be hiccups in the system.
So again, I still think we haveto learn how to deal with those
hiccups in the system.
There's going to be hiccups inthe system.
So again, I still think we haveto learn how to deal with those
hiccups when they come up.
Yes, all right.
I mean again, when you're bornblind, you just got to learn how
to deal with it.
When you're born with thesedisabilities, you just learn how
to deal with them.
I don't see this as apunishment and I really wish
people would get out of thehabit of doing those, me too.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
But I also think that when you say we need to learn
how to deal with it, it's notjust on a personal level.
As priests and priestesses, weneed to learn how to and I don't
like the word deal with it, butwe need to learn how to handle
these situations.
When people come to us who dohave disabilities Right and are
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concerned about it or whateverelse, we need to help them.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
And I tend to want to make sure when I'm talking to
these people that theyunderstand.
At no time do I want, because Ihear a lot of them sit there
and talk and they sort of blamethemselves because they have it
in their head that this was apunishment.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Again, it's getting out of that punishment mentality
Right.
It's getting away from thekarma aspect of I must have done
something in a previous lifeand this is my punishment Right.
To me as a pagan, this does notfollow the pagan thought.
No pagan this does not followthe pagan thought.
(18:27):
No, this goes back to otherreligions who deal with guilt
and punishment.
I can't follow that line ofthought because we take
responsibility for everything wedo.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Well, we have to because we're the only ones that
do it.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
And yes, you know you do something bad, there's going
to be consequences, but I don'tsee it as a punishment, no,
it's.
Everything has an Equal andopposite reaction.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Exactly, you know, I mean I hate to be this way.
You do something good,something bad could be coming
out of it too.
Exactly, I mean, we've seenthose scenarios over and over
again.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
So I don't see that as punishment, I just see that
as a natural.
It's just, it's just life, it'ssomething that happens.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Well, again it's, again it's back to our beliefs
that sometimes good thingshappen to bad people, sometimes
bad things happen to good people.
Yes, it happens.
It happens all right.
It's not somebody's donesomething wrong, or I mean,
again, it's back to that logicof people in the Middle Ages
Every time they got sick, well,it's because you sinned against
God, right?
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And it's not the fact that,well, you just got a virus and
didn't wash your hands.
Well, again, they didn'tunderstand that, so they had to
blame it on something, but yetwe still follow into the same
pattern of behavior when we talkabout these things.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Well, again, it comes down to, it's how we understand
things.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Unfortunately, some people don't evolve enough
intellectually to come out ofthat old mentality where, okay,
this could have been the causeof this or that instead of well,
I sinned.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
so this is my punishment, you know, Because
I'm still back to I don't.
Well, that's getting more intoit, that's going somewhere else.
Yeah, just a little bit Allright, because that's getting
more into it.
That's going somewhere else.
Yeah, just a little bit Allright, because that's getting
into karma and all that.
We were talking aboutreincarnation, which does bring
this subject in there, but I'mtrying not to.
I know, I know.
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Back on track, Back on track,I'm trying to think what else?
Was there anything else that meand you disagreed with or have
different viewpoints onreincarnation?
Speaker 1 (20:46):
I think those were the biggest major points.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
I mean because the whole memory thing, I understand
why in the world our memorygets kind of wiped.
Well, yeah, all right.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
I mean you know it's hard to sit there and fall in
love with someone realizing thatthey were your grandmother in a
previous life and again thereright when you're dealing with
stuff like that, are thereglitches?
Yes, there are glitches.
That's when.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
That's when you've got these people who just know
all kinds of shit and never oncestudied anything about, or you
have the people that were bornright after world war ii, who
remember dying in world war iiRight?
Speaker 1 (21:25):
So I mean, you got those glitches every once in a
while, but I think for the mostpart, yeah, no, I agree with you
there.
Memories, I don't know thatthey get wiped, they get locked
away, I think.
Maybe, Because there have beenpeople who have.
I mean, you look at past liferegression, right, right, where
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people quote, unquote, unlocktheir past lives.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
And I think that's a possibility.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Okay, Well, let me ask you this Do you think being
gay is a choice whenreincarnating?
Do you think some people go?
I want to know what it's liketo be gay.
Or do you think it's just somebiological quirk that just
happens and you just happen toturn out that way?
Speaker 1 (22:09):
I tend to again.
I tend to be more of a believerof the random.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Right when it's not you, your body does control your
sexual drive, because that'swhere it is.
Right.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
But, with that being said, I don't rule out the
possibility that every once in awhile, we might get a choice.
Well, I don't know who's askingus to make that choice.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Well, I'm not saying that.
You know, our soul didn't havesomething else in mind.
This is what's going on, andthis is what causes a lot of our
psychological problems in life.
Right Is that our soul wasexpecting this, but this is what
you got.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Well, no, but you were asking if you thought yeah
things like being gay was achoice before you're yeah if you
can actually make that choicewhen you're being reincarnated I
don't I mean, I wouldn't ruleout the possibility, but do I do
?
I think it's like, oh okay,well, we've got a board of
things up here that you canchoose from.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Well and again, but that's my point.
Which ones of these things,which issues, do we get?
What do you think we get tochoose and what don't you think
we get to choose?
Speaker 1 (23:18):
See, that's where things get a little complicated
and that's why I tend to gosimpler is better and I go with
the whole random.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
See, I like the random thing better because to
to me it's sort of like doingthe cheats on the game.
Yes, going if I can, if I canmake these choices on this side,
I can select god mode?
Pretty much, yeah, and thatdoesn't that you're not going to
learn anything no, it defeatsthe purpose and it actually
believe it or not.
I think most of the game modesmake the games more boring.
Yes, yes, because you're notreally challenged.
No, so I don't know if I'mright about that.
That's the only thing I don'tlike about the whole choice, and
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I like the whole randomness ofwhat we get.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Well, like I said, I'm not ruling out the
possibility that every once in awhile, your soul might say you
know what?
After all this, I think I needto know this.
Maybe, so I'm not ruling thatout.
Is it something that I believepersonally?
No, not ruling it out.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
All right, what do you think?
Doing things like havingsoulmates affect that whole
entire cycle.
Do you think?
Are you believing, like us,that you're just tied?
We're actually just tied to abunch of people.
We're all reincarnation, sortof as a group.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
That's a good question.
That's not something that I'veput a whole lot of thought into,
yeah, but just thinking aboutit off the top of my head, I do
believe that there are probablya small group of people that
might do that that youeventually come back in contact
with.
I don't think it's somethingthat's going to happen with
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every reincarnation, becausecycles of life are different.
True, you won't all die at thesame time, which means you won't
all be reincarnated at the sametime, which means yes, in your
next lifetime your brother mightbe your neighbor, not
necessarily in your family,right, but I just think that,
well, even then, in your nextlifetime, you may not even come
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across this person.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
See, now, that's what worries me, that's what makes
me wonder, because you know, youhave that concept of the whole
group all right that groups ofsouls migrate back and forth at
a time, and all these soulsactually know each other, and
hence the reason because they'reall tied together, they all
pull each other.
See, from one from one lifetimeto the next, if I die and then
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I reincarnate because I wasmarried to you, those threads
pull you to come with me ever soslightly.
All right, which would explainwhy in the world, some people
die and their spouse dies notlong after them.
Okay, is where that thoughtsort of comes from.
I can see that All right andthat when you reincarnate back,
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that the same thing possiblycould happen.
Okay, that you're bringing thesouls that are normally around
you in some, but we're talkinglike school size.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
So you're talking that this group of people is
actually tied together bythreads of life?
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Right, so to speak, by connections we've made, soul
connections we've made on thisplane and that plane, and it
keeps on pulling us backtogether, because there are
people I've met and I'm kind oflike there's something about you
.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Yeah, but see, I think that's a little more
random because those don'thappen a whole lot.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
No, but my point there is.
I think that is just two soulsthat recognize themselves at a
different level than you would acommon person.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Hence the reason.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
They're slightly rare .
Okay, but the same thoughtstill going on, but the same
thought still going on.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
It's just those connections to all these other
people while you're friendly toisn't as good, but those
connections are still enough totip the scales on when in the
world you have to reincarnateversus when I have to
reincarnate maybe yeah, but Istill see it more like if there
are these groups of people whoare connected like that, I still
see it more like if there arethese groups of people who are
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connected like that, right, Istill see it more as, again, we
don't all die at the same time.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
No, we don't all get born at the same time.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Therefore, we can't be reincarnated all at the same
time.
So that's why I think it couldtake years.
It could take lifetimes.
I'm not saying it could takeyears, it could take lifetimes.
I'm not saying it could Beforethese people come back around
and before they regroup, so tospeak.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Well, I'm also taking into account what you might
have to do on the other side andhow long that might take.
So again, not everybody in yourgroup maybe come back, but I'm
just sitting there going like75%.
Maybe, you know on average, oryou know 90 of the souls you
know just seem to alwaysreincarnate over and over again
with you maybe you know, I meanbecause there could.
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I hate to be this way.
Souls could work like you know.
Shifts they could, yeah, andthen those shifts are lifetime
shifts.
You know, as soon as everybodythat's here gets done with what
they're doing and most of thisgeneration dies, another
generation jumps in while therest of us take a break, and
it's another, what?
Two or three generations beforewe come back.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Very well could be.
Again, I don't rule out thepossibilities.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
It's not necessarily something I believe personally,
no, but I'm not going to ruleout the possibility but I, I can
see where in the world strongemotional and physical
connections can transcend, ohyeah, from one life to another I
can see how that would happen,yeah quite easily, and it's easy
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to find yourselves too.
And again, I think that can alsoaffect you being reincarnated,
that, yes, your best friend,because your best friend
incarnated and y'all sitting outthere on the spirit realm and
he's like I'm reincarnating.
Well, shit, I guess I need totoo.
You see what I'm saying?
Yeah, so it could be that way.
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Who knows, who knows?
Well, on that note, so it couldbe that way.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
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So now, with that said, let's talk about something
else.
All right, a couple of weeksback, we were interviewing a new
student and she was bringing upthe conversation of
reincarnation.
Yes, so I figured me and youwould talk about this, because,
believe it or not, we actuallyhave different viewpoints on
this.
Yes, we do.
All right, so where would youlike to start with this?
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I mean, we both believe inreincarnation.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
All right, let's start.
Where do you believe?
Like I do?
I believe that thereincarnation cycle goes from
male to female, back and forthNow and again.
I know some people don't.
They think once you're born aguy, you're always.
That soul's always repeatedlyborn a guy or woman.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Well, I don't believe that, but I also don't believe
it goes back and forth like that.
I think it's completely random.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I could see where it would be random All right.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
I think it's more like a luck of the draw.
It's like you know, somebodyout there's rolling dice and, oh
look, you're gonna be a catthis time no, I mean I can see
that because you know.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
again, if the thought is is that you know you get
pregnant and the souls start tomigrate in there and out that
that there are certain physicalrequirements needed by certain
souls, I mean I need this one tobe able to process this.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
See, I don't really know, how that works.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
But I can see what you mean by it being more random
, that well, you might be born awoman three times in a row, but
it just happens to be the bodyyou fit into, right, okay now,
what about?
Now?
Let's talk about stuff likebecause I always think we should
, as priests and priestesses, asspiritual leaders, try to
figure out a spiritual meaningto some of the things that
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happen to us.
Okay, all right, so, likespiritually, how do we explain
transgenderism?
Because, again, if we'rebelieving, so, like spiritually,
how do we explaintransgenderism?
Because, again, if we'rebelieving that, like I said, I
believe that it goes back andforth, that you might, and
you're a little bit more random,I can either one of these I can
sort of go with all right.
But the idea that you'recontinuously a man I don't have
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a I have an issue with.
I'm not saying I'm right orwrong on this have a I have an
issue with.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
I'm not saying I'm right or wrong on this.
Well, I could.
I could kind of see that lineof thought where it's like you
go through one thing untilyou've maxed out on it and then
you move on to something elsewell again.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
It's like we've like we've talked before.
You know people that just knowhow to play a piano or an
instrument, or just be able todraw or paint or whatever.
We believe this is memories andskills carried over from
previous lives, repeated overand over again, where you've
repeatedly been a musician or ascientist or whatever.
I could see.
We're in a world okay, you'vegotten to a rut and was born
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three times in a row as a woman,and the fourth time you come
back as a guy.
You're kind of what and get alittle confused there I could
see that you know all right now.
I mean what the world, theperson, does about that is we're
not getting into.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
I'm just saying what spiritually could cause that
problem right, and that makessense because, especially if
you're going with the morerandom aspect, like like I
believe in, then, yeah, it'squite possible.
You could three times, three,four, five times in a row be a
woman, right, and then suddenlycome back as a man well, I mean
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that's just and it kind of fuckwith you a little.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yeah, I mean that's just as been conceivable as a
soul comes over.
Just well, they were a man inprevious life and then they just
reincarnated as a woman and forsome reason they just bring
those memories over.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Absolutely those feelings over with them.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Absolutely yeah, both feasible ideas, both feasible
ideas, all right, I mean, so wehave a possible spiritual.
All right, I could see where inthe world it would be more of a
bother if you believed in thefact that men always
reincarnated as men and women.
But then I would have to ask ifthat's always the case, how
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does transgenderism happen inthe spiritual realm?
Do you see what I'm saying?
Yeah, I don't think you canexplain it.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
If there's one hiccup there on this, I'd sort of
unless you go with the theorythat there's an exception to
every rule then, if your rule ofreincarnation is that you are
always a man.
If you're a man, you're alwaysa man.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Right, I've heard it over the years like somebody be
born without an arm or something.
Oh, that was because in aprevious life you did something
bad, so they're trying to Okay,that's getting into karma and
karma and all this other stuff.
But again, the idea is is thatstuff like that, you know, being
blind, being dyslexic, allthese physical down syndrome, I
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don't think it's anything weactually plan on in
reincarnation cycle.
It's just the hiccup with thebody and there's you.
You don't know until you'rethere are you with me Right Now?
Speaker 1 (05:46):
I could see where something like that would be all
right.
It's a lesson you need to learnor you need to learn something
from this experience.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
I could see that, but as far as karma, goes the
punishment, or I can't followthat line of thought Well, I
mean, I can't see any soulsitting there going, hey, you
know what?
No, this time I really do wantto be blind.
This body fits me.
It's not completely built.
To some extent, I mean, you'rewith me Technically.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
If we look at babies, they're under construction when
souls oh, absolutely yeah, Imean there's nothing final about
that, because they're underconstruction.
When souls oh absolutely yeah,I mean there's there's nothing
final about that, becausethey're going to be going
through changes right, I meanbecause you don't know what
happens after puberty and allthis other stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
all right, you know, but I have to ask these
questions.
You know, if we believe thatcertain conditions like
transgenderism and certain otherthings are caused by
reincarnation, all right, thatin itself is a hiccup, but is it
something we should ignore,deal with or move on?
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And I'm not how people do it ornot.
I mean, is this something?
When do we blame reincarnationand when do we blame
reincarnation?
When do we blame ourselves, Iguess, is what I'm asking when
is it a punishment?
Is it ever a punishment?
Speaker 1 (07:15):
those are good questions.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I mean, I'm not trying to put anybody on the
spot here.
I'm asking questions if wedon't.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
I think, as far as dealing with it.
I think we're only allowed todeal so much right, because
there are other aspects that gointo dealing with the whole
mental state and everything elsethat's going on with that
person.
Unless you're licensed, I don'tthink that should be in your
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realm of duties.
Duties, I think we can do ourbest to help that person
spiritually, right, that's asfar as it goes.
Yes, as far as explaining itgoes, I mean we can.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
We can throw out theories all day yeah, I mean
you don't know until you're onthe other side and we can't.
We're not allowed to rememberon this side.
I mean you don't know untilyou're on the other side, we're
not allowed to remember on thisside.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Right, so I don't know where you go with that.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
All right.
Something else I think we alsohave a disagreement on on
reincarnation.
I believe in the transmigrationof souls.
You don't, I do not know.
All right, For those who don'tknow.
The transmigration of souls isthe thought that souls start out
as some smaller animal andslowly work their way up to
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bigger and bigger animals,whatever as they can, Even doing
some of the like random stuffyou're talking about until they
can finally become humans orsome other being that is more
advanced than the rest of us.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Right.
See, to me that follows morealong the lines of evolution.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Right.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Which, again, I don't agree with Darwin's theory of
evolution.
Therefore, for me personally itdoesn't translate into
reincarnation.
I can't follow that thought.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
But you believe there's an evolution to the soul
.
I do that.
It grows and changes overlifetime, over lifetime.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
But I see it more like when we're teenagers.
We feel a certain way and webelieve certain things, and then
, as we get older, those ideaschange Right, they develop, they
grow.
Yes, puberty solves a lot ofproblems.
It's the same way I viewreincarnation.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
So as far as the soul quote unquote evolving, that's
how I see it, right.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
I don't see it as an actual evolution like Pokemon or
whatever Are the animes I watch, where they just keep on
getting more powerful.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Yeah.
So, I don't know I hate to bethis way.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
That's sort of how I do see it, though.
I just see souls as thesethings that just keep gathering
knowledge and knowledge and keepon getting bigger and more
powerful.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Well, I didn't say you're not gathering knowledge.
You know, and I didn't sayyou're not becoming more
powerful.
It's just the way it'shappening that I disagree with.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
I'm sort of along the lines of I don't think there's
any scales here, all right, Idon't think.
On the other side, oh no, no,this is just the level one, so
move, all right.
I'm sort of like youeverybody's in their own little
place.
None of us started at the samespot.
None of us are ever gonna.
Well, we all might finish atthe same spot, but right, we're
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not all starting at the sameplace so do you, but do you kind
of see it as like an experiencelevel?
Yes.
So in that sense, for the gamersout there you can see the
experience bar as it's gettingthere and then, once it's full,
you've leveled up.
You leveled up to some extent,but I don't think it works
exactly like that.
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Like oh, as soon as you hitthis no, right that.
Like oh, as soon as you hitthis at night right.
It's more along the lines ofyou get to a certain point and
reincarnating into this plane ofexistence doesn't make no sense
for your growth, all right.
So you just have to go on to adifferent plane of existence and
start reincarnating there okaythat's the funny part about all
this.
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You talk to people about allthis reincarnation stuff.
At the end of the day, nobodysits here and goes.
Well, how many realms are there?
How many places do wereincarnate to?
Speaker 1 (11:31):
yeah, that's not.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
You don't hear that conversation no, I mean, we
technically reincarnate intodeath well, yeah, because it's a
whole new chapter of our livesthe soul's moving on it is
literally another realm ofexistence yes, so again, putting
restrictions on things is alittle hard.
But the soul's moving on.
It is literally another realmof existence.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Yes, so again, putting restrictions on things
is a little hard, but I know wehave to have some rhythm to
these processes.
I think we do to an extent.
I think we have to have thatfor it to make sense to us Right
, it may not be what actuallyexists and it may not actually
be the way it actually is Right.
It may not be what actuallyexists and it may not actually
be the way it actually is Right,but it's how we make sense of
it, Right?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
I mean, again, we're not.
When we're looking at thisstuff and yes, we're comparing
it to Pokemon, anime and allthis other stuff, because we
need forms of reference we'renot saying that's exactly how it
is, but I think it's funny howhumanity now starts to think of
this along the lines of videogames and stuff like that on how
all this works, so you honestlydon't believe that your dog has
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a soul.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
No, or your cats, and I can't explain that.
I can't explain that.
It's just something that I feelI don't believe.
They have souls.
Do they have personalities?
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Yes, Well, see, I don't believe all animals have
souls.
I think some animals do, and Iwill go ahead and put that
dividing line there.
Most predators, I believe, havesouls.
Okay, most of the herd animalsdon't.
I think they live off of thesingle conscious thought.
So you think like cows and sheep.
Sheep are more like the Borg.
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They just work in unisontogether.
They really only have a hivemind sense, just like ants and
all that, so they really don'thave souls.
But when you have animals thatare a little bit more
independent big game tigers,elephants, stuff like that,
things that are a little bitdifferent may have a soul
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because they tend to displayindependent behavior versus are
you with me?
Speaker 1 (13:40):
No, I can see that yeah, and that's where in the
world I see that divide.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
I'm not saying I'm right, but that's where I'm
sitting in nature going.
This is where the difference isfor me.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Okay, I just, I don't know, I just grow it up.
I guess this is where I get mymy idea on this right.
Growing up, I was always toldyou know, kids get so devastated
when their pets pass away rightor get run over by a car or
whatever.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Led to that movie.
All Dogs Go to Heaven, Right.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
So you know, as kids, we're told well, your dog's
going to be waiting on you inheaven and you're going to see
him or her again, right?
That always bothered me, forsome reason?
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Because it's never said anything in the Bible about
animals, really, and I guessyeah.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
And I guess that's where it comes from.
I just it.
It felt right for me not tobelieve that animals have souls.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Well, see, the way I'm looking at it is, I'm going
to say this and people are goingto roll their eyes A dog's soul
is not a proper human soul.
Okay, okay, it has to grow intothat.
That.
These animals that I'm talkingabout have souls, but they're
less complicated compared to usAll.
(15:01):
Right, because, again, mostdogs and stuff like that, they
tend to have that problem ofthey react to the world.
Your dog goes nuts every timeit thunders.
Right, because he doesn'tunderstand what the we don't.
Why don't we?
Because we understand what thethunder is and what it does.
Right now, I don't know wherein the world to call that
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dividing line.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Seeing, you see, what I'm saying, though I can see
where you're going with that,though I really can, Because
dogs do display a level ofintelligence.
Cats as well.
Cats as well.
They do display a level ofintelligence.
It's not on a human level, no,but there is intelligence there.
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They can be taught.
They can be taught, they can beinstructed.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Lady Abba tells me you know, our dog knows too many
words.
She's like how many words didyou teach him?
Speaker 1 (15:56):
He does know quite a few, but there's that
intelligence there.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
But that's where I'm making that distinction that
there is it's growing.
But that's where I'm makingthat distinction that there is
it's growing to that level ofhumanity.
Right, because, again, thatnext stage after us is us
starting to realize somethingelse, Starting to be able to
understand what that otherthunder noise is, that we now
fear what is death.
Right, when we get to thatlevel, we're starting to
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understand that, so we no longerfear it.
Okay, it just becomes longerfear it Okay.
It just becomes a part of ourcycles.
So how many problems do youactually think people have that
are caused by reincarnation?
Because I think that's more ofa cause and punishment like you
punishment or not punishmentthat it's more screw ups,
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hiccups in the system.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
I mean, let's face it , I don't believe that
reincarnation is a perfectsystem.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
No.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
I think it's just like anything else that we have
to go through spiritually,physically, whatever.
Yeah, there's going to behiccups in the system.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
There's going to be hiccups in the system.
So again, I still think we haveto learn how to deal with those
hiccups in the system.
There's going to be hiccups inthe system.
So again, I still think we haveto learn how to deal with those
hiccups when they come up.
Yes, all right.
I mean again, when you're bornblind, you just got to learn how
to deal with it.
When you're born with thesedisabilities, you just learn how
to deal with them.
I don't see this as apunishment and I really wish
people would get out of thehabit of doing those, me too.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
But I also think that when you say we need to learn
how to deal with it, it's notjust on a personal level.
As priests and priestesses, weneed to learn how to and I don't
like the word deal with it, butwe need to learn how to handle
these situations.
When people come to us who dohave disabilities Right and are
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concerned about it or whateverelse, we need to help them.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
And I tend to want to make sure when I'm talking to
these people that theyunderstand.
At no time do I want, because Ihear a lot of them sit there
and talk and they sort of blamethemselves because they have it
in their head that this was apunishment.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Again, it's getting out of that punishment mentality
Right.
It's getting away from thekarma aspect of I must have done
something in a previous lifeand this is my punishment Right.
To me as a pagan, this does notfollow the pagan thought.
No pagan this does not followthe pagan thought.
(18:27):
No, this goes back to otherreligions who deal with guilt
and punishment.
I can't follow that line ofthought because we take
responsibility for everything wedo.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Well, we have to because we're the only ones that
do it.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
And yes, you know you do something bad, there's going
to be consequences, but I don'tsee it as a punishment, no,
it's.
Everything has an Equal andopposite reaction.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Exactly, you know, I mean I hate to be this way.
You do something good,something bad could be coming
out of it too.
Exactly, I mean, we've seenthose scenarios over and over
again.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
So I don't see that as punishment, I just see that
as a natural.
It's just, it's just life, it'ssomething that happens.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Well, again it's, again it's back to our beliefs
that sometimes good thingshappen to bad people, sometimes
bad things happen to good people.
Yes, it happens.
It happens all right.
It's not somebody's donesomething wrong, or I mean,
again, it's back to that logicof people in the Middle Ages
Every time they got sick, well,it's because you sinned against
God, right?
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And it's not the fact that,well, you just got a virus and
didn't wash your hands.
Well, again, they didn'tunderstand that, so they had to
blame it on something, but yetwe still follow into the same
pattern of behavior when we talkabout these things.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Well, again, it comes down to, it's how we understand
things.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Unfortunately, some people don't evolve enough
intellectually to come out ofthat old mentality where, okay,
this could have been the causeof this or that instead of well,
I sinned.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
so this is my punishment, you know, Because
I'm still back to I don't.
Well, that's getting more intoit, that's going somewhere else.
Yeah, just a little bit Allright, because that's getting
more into it.
That's going somewhere else.
Yeah, just a little bit Allright, because that's getting
into karma and all that.
We were talking aboutreincarnation, which does bring
this subject in there, but I'mtrying not to.
I know, I know.
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Back on track, Back on track,I'm trying to think what else?
Was there anything else that meand you disagreed with or have
different viewpoints onreincarnation?
Speaker 1 (20:46):
I think those were the biggest major points.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
I mean because the whole memory thing, I understand
why in the world our memorygets kind of wiped.
Well, yeah, all right.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
I mean you know it's hard to sit there and fall in
love with someone realizing thatthey were your grandmother in a
previous life and again thereright when you're dealing with
stuff like that, are thereglitches?
Yes, there are glitches.
That's when.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
That's when you've got these people who just know
all kinds of shit and never oncestudied anything about, or you
have the people that were bornright after world war ii, who
remember dying in world war iiRight?
Speaker 1 (21:25):
So I mean, you got those glitches every once in a
while, but I think for the mostpart, yeah, no, I agree with you
there.
Memories, I don't know thatthey get wiped, they get locked
away, I think.
Maybe, Because there have beenpeople who have.
I mean, you look at past liferegression, right, right, where
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people quote, unquote, unlocktheir past lives.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
And I think that's a possibility.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Okay, Well, let me ask you this Do you think being
gay is a choice whenreincarnating?
Do you think some people go?
I want to know what it's liketo be gay.
Or do you think it's just somebiological quirk that just
happens and you just happen toturn out that way?
Speaker 1 (22:09):
I tend to again.
I tend to be more of a believerof the random.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Right when it's not you, your body does control your
sexual drive, because that'swhere it is.
Right.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
But, with that being said, I don't rule out the
possibility that every once in awhile, we might get a choice.
Well, I don't know who's askingus to make that choice.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Well, I'm not saying that.
You know, our soul didn't havesomething else in mind.
This is what's going on, andthis is what causes a lot of our
psychological problems in life.
Right Is that our soul wasexpecting this, but this is what
you got.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Well, no, but you were asking if you thought yeah
things like being gay was achoice before you're yeah if you
can actually make that choicewhen you're being reincarnated I
don't I mean, I wouldn't ruleout the possibility, but do I do
?
I think it's like, oh okay,well, we've got a board of
things up here that you canchoose from.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Well and again, but that's my point.
Which ones of these things,which issues, do we get?
What do you think we get tochoose and what don't you think
we get to choose?
Speaker 1 (23:18):
See, that's where things get a little complicated
and that's why I tend to gosimpler is better and I go with
the whole random.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
See, I like the random thing better because to
to me it's sort of like doingthe cheats on the game.
Yes, going if I can, if I canmake these choices on this side,
I can select god mode?
Pretty much, yeah, and thatdoesn't that you're not going to
learn anything no, it defeatsthe purpose and it actually
believe it or not.
I think most of the game modesmake the games more boring.
Yes, yes, because you're notreally challenged.
No, so I don't know if I'mright about that.
That's the only thing I don'tlike about the whole choice, and
(23:55):
I like the whole randomness ofwhat we get.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Well, like I said, I'm not ruling out the
possibility that every once in awhile, your soul might say you
know what?
After all this, I think I needto know this.
Maybe, so I'm not ruling thatout.
Is it something that I believepersonally?
No, not ruling it out.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
All right, what do you think?
Doing things like havingsoulmates affect that whole
entire cycle.
Do you think?
Are you believing, like us,that you're just tied?
We're actually just tied to abunch of people.
We're all reincarnation, sortof as a group.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
That's a good question.
That's not something that I'veput a whole lot of thought into,
yeah, but just thinking aboutit off the top of my head, I do
believe that there are probablya small group of people that
might do that that youeventually come back in contact
with.
I don't think it's somethingthat's going to happen with
(25:04):
every reincarnation, becausecycles of life are different.
True, you won't all die at thesame time, which means you won't
all be reincarnated at the sametime, which means yes, in your
next lifetime your brother mightbe your neighbor, not
necessarily in your family,right, but I just think that,
well, even then, in your nextlifetime, you may not even come
(25:25):
across this person.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
See, now, that's what worries me, that's what makes
me wonder, because you know, youhave that concept of the whole
group all right that groups ofsouls migrate back and forth at
a time, and all these soulsactually know each other, and
hence the reason because they'reall tied together, they all
pull each other.
See, from one from one lifetimeto the next, if I die and then
(25:51):
I reincarnate because I wasmarried to you, those threads
pull you to come with me ever soslightly.
All right, which would explainwhy in the world, some people
die and their spouse dies notlong after them.
Okay, is where that thoughtsort of comes from.
I can see that All right andthat when you reincarnate back,
(26:13):
that the same thing possiblycould happen.
Okay, that you're bringing thesouls that are normally around
you in some, but we're talkinglike school size.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
So you're talking that this group of people is
actually tied together bythreads of life?
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Right, so to speak, by connections we've made, soul
connections we've made on thisplane and that plane, and it
keeps on pulling us backtogether, because there are
people I've met and I'm kind oflike there's something about you
.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Yeah, but see, I think that's a little more
random because those don'thappen a whole lot.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
No, but my point there is.
I think that is just two soulsthat recognize themselves at a
different level than you would acommon person.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Hence the reason.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
They're slightly rare .
Okay, but the same thoughtstill going on, but the same
thought still going on.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
It's just those connections to all these other
people while you're friendly toisn't as good, but those
connections are still enough totip the scales on when in the
world you have to reincarnateversus when I have to
reincarnate maybe yeah, but Istill see it more like if there
are these groups of people whoare connected like that, I still
see it more like if there arethese groups of people who are
(27:29):
connected like that, right, Istill see it more as, again, we
don't all die at the same time.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
No, we don't all get born at the same time.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Therefore, we can't be reincarnated all at the same
time.
So that's why I think it couldtake years.
It could take lifetimes.
I'm not saying it could takeyears, it could take lifetimes.
I'm not saying it could Beforethese people come back around
and before they regroup, so tospeak.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Well, I'm also taking into account what you might
have to do on the other side andhow long that might take.
So again, not everybody in yourgroup maybe come back, but I'm
just sitting there going like75%.
Maybe, you know on average, oryou know 90 of the souls you
know just seem to alwaysreincarnate over and over again
with you maybe you know, I meanbecause there could.
(28:19):
I hate to be this way.
Souls could work like you know.
Shifts they could, yeah, andthen those shifts are lifetime
shifts.
You know, as soon as everybodythat's here gets done with what
they're doing and most of thisgeneration dies, another
generation jumps in while therest of us take a break, and
it's another, what?
Two or three generations beforewe come back.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Very well could be.
Again, I don't rule out thepossibilities.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
It's not necessarily something I believe personally,
no, but I'm not going to ruleout the possibility but I, I can
see where in the world strongemotional and physical
connections can transcend, ohyeah, from one life to another I
can see how that would happen,yeah quite easily, and it's easy
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to find yourselves too.
And again, I think that can alsoaffect you being reincarnated,
that, yes, your best friend,because your best friend
incarnated and y'all sitting outthere on the spirit realm and
he's like I'm reincarnating.
Well, shit, I guess I need totoo.
You see what I'm saying?
Yeah, so it could be that way.
(29:26):
Who knows, who knows?
Well, on that note, so it couldbe that way.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Who knows, who knows?
On that note, let's get somecoffee.
Oh god, yes, thanks forlistening.
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Speaker 3 (29:53):
We travel down this trodden path, the maze of stone
and mire.
Just hold my hand as we pass bya sea of blazing fires.
I see your blazing fires, andso it is the end of our day, so
walk with me till morning breaks.
(30:14):
And so it is the end of our day.
So walk with me till morningbreaks, thank you.
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