May 28, 2025 • 21 mins
Magical healing carries profound responsibility and potential dangers that many practitioners overlook. When we suppress symptoms without addressing root causes, we risk masking serious conditions—as illustrated by our cautionary tale of healing spells that concealed diabetes symptoms until crisis struck. The fundamental rule? Always obtain proper medical diagnosis before attempting healing work.
The energy exchange in healing deserves careful consideration. Many practitioners use crystals to contain negative energies extracted during healing, but these objects become repositories of harmful forces that can leak back into your environment over time. This explains why many dedicated healers find themselves chronically ill. We discuss practical solutions: proper containment vessels, cleansing practices, and most importantly, removing these contaminated objects from your living space.
Our conversation explores a rarely discussed aspect of magical healing—what might be called "spiritual hospice care." Sometimes, the most compassionate healing involves helping someone transition peacefully rather than prolonging suffering. Like hospice nurses who provide comfort during end-of-life care, some magical practitioners must develop the strength and wisdom to guide others through their final journey.
The podcast features a fascinating philosophical debate about the nature of healing energy itself. Are healers sacrificing portions of their own life force to heal others? Or are we simply channeling universal energy that naturally replenishes through our connection to cosmic forces? This fundamental difference in understanding shapes how practitioners approach their work and subsequent self-care.
We note the particular aptitude many women demonstrate for healing magic—likely connected to natural nurturing instincts, though certainly not excluding men from developing these abilities.
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Speaker 1 (00:17):
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Hi Baller.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
You'll hear him off and on in the background.
It's okay, we're also dryingsome herbs, so you'll probably
hear that in the background aswell, anyway.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yes, I'm being productive today.
Right, let's talk healingspells.
Okay, this is a subject we needto cover anyway, because
healing spells can be sometimescan be a little dangerous.
I will agree with you on that.
When performing a healing spell, first thing you need to know
is what's wrong with the personRight?
(01:10):
What's the diagnosis, what'sthe diagnosis?
And the diagnosis isn't a listof symptoms.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
No, that's not.
You're not looking for symptoms, you're not looking for
anything like that.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
I would even sit here and suggest try not to cure
symptoms right.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
I think that kind of defeats the purpose of what
you're doing right, I mean.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
so let's let me give you an example of where in the
world healing symptoms wenthorribly wrong.
Yes, let let's do All, right, afriend of Lord man back in the
day kept on having differentsymptoms and stuff like this, so
they kept on doing healingspells for the guy.
(01:55):
You remember him telling thisstory.
Very vividly yeah it was likeover a month, over a couple of
years or something.
This guy kept on havingdifferent symptoms and they
would do healing spells and moveon.
Well, one day the guy justsuddenly falls out on the floor
of going into a diabetic coma,right, because he didn't have
(02:19):
any of the symptoms of being adiabetic, because they healed
him off, so it wasn't beingtreated, so it wasn't being
treated, so it wasn't beingtreated.
And then causes a biggerproblem.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Okay, but now question comes, and I'm sure
somebody's going to ask this Ifyou're healing the symptoms, how
are you not, in essence,treating the root problem?
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Well, diabetes is a biological problem I don't think
any magic will fix.
I mean, there's just certainthings I don't think magic can
fix.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
But you see the question though, right.
How are you healing symptomswithout touching the problem?
How?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
can you do that?
Well, I believe that most ofthese magic spells are just
suppressing the symptoms.
See, that's where I'm gettingat All right, they're not
actually getting rid of them,they're just suppressing the
symptoms or causing the symptomsnot to appear.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Right or somehow Right.
So that's where the danger is.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
That's where the danger is If you're not really
healing anything, you're justsuppressing.
When we're doing a healingwithout a diagnosis, we run into
problems.
Yep, all right, there's thetrick on this you have to have a
diagnosis Right, and I don'tmean just going out on WebMD
going oh here.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
This is what I think I got.
These are my symptoms.
Don't miss it.
Click, click, click, click,click, click.
Oh look, this is it.
No, no, Go and have your testdone.
Go and get your test done Withyour doctor and have a
discussion with your doctorRight and actually have a
diagnosis Right.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Because this is a big .
Nobody understands how in theworld the healing works in the
pagan community.
You have to work with yourdoctors, you have to work with
your herbalist.
You have to work with yourdoctors.
You have to work with yourherbalist.
You have to work with yourapothecaries.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
You have to work with all.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
You've got to get all these people to work together,
Right?
If you're going to somebody andyou're doing a healing or
something, you need to be awareof what in the world is actually
going on.
Absolutely.
There are some other problemswith healing.
Now.
I know a lot of healers like touse crystals and stuff to put
the bad energy in.
This becomes a problem too.
(04:29):
All right, Because, again, mostcrystals act like regulators
and will slowly leak out energyover time Again.
that's the reason they're greatfor protection.
But if you're putting somethingbad in there, you've got to put
something good in there to holdit in place.
You've got to put a guard onthat.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Well, and not only that, but if you're using that
crystal to contain whatever badenergy you're quote-unquote
healing from somebody, you needto cleanse that crystal every
once in a while, bury it in theground, let the ground soak it.
Well, you need to get it awayfrom you, no matter what.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Because again this stuff sort of acts like
radiation.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Yes, it will leak out .
It's like nuclear waste.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
It will leak out, it will affect you.
Matter of fact, a lot of thehealers I know over the years
seem to be the most sickestpeople, more than anything else,
and every time you walk intotheir house they're surrounded
by all these crystals thatthey've got sickness in and
they're sitting there in themiddle of them.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yep Stewing in their own juices, so to speak.
Right and no that's not good.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
No, I mean, if you're going to use this, yes, you
need to put something in thereto hold it in place and get it
out of your house.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Right, Get it out of your house.
You need to periodic.
Like I said before, if you'regoing to hang on to that crystal
, then you need to cleanse it.
You need to find something todo with that energy.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Right.
Regardless, however you handleit, it needs to be dealt with.
I mean, lady Abba has a boxthat's had spells and stuff to
trap everything inside the boxthat she puts inside the box.
All right, it's kind of like aa safe a witch safe?
Speaker 1 (06:12):
yeah, I don't know how to explain it.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
But yes, that's it right.
I mean we find a big cabinet orsomething and we scribe stuff
all the way around it runes andother symbols, sigils.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
you know angelils, you know angelic symbols.
Whatever you want to use, butyou put some protection on there
To try to hold things in.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yes, absolutely so.
Again, here's one of the thingsI see a lot of healers do, that
I don't want to disagree withthem.
I understand what they're doing, but I still think they need to
put something in there Again.
They themselves are too sick,and I think this is where the
problem is Right Is that theyuse these stones to keep trap
this stuff in there and thenthey hang on to them.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
What's that old saying?
Physician, heal thyself.
Come on, take care of yourself,baby, Take care of yourself.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Please, I mean dipping into those energies and
messing with them.
You already got the stink onyou.
You just don't need to besitting in it too, Right?
Speaker 1 (07:07):
There are residual effects absolutely and you need
to be aware of that Now there'sanother part of healing that
gets a little rougher.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Do tell, because sometimes the only way to heal
someone is to allow them to moveon, sometimes reincarnate and
stuff like that.
So the healing no longer is ahealing but more of a here, let
me guide you over to the otherside, you know, and that's can
be a little daunting.
Yeah, you know, I mean thatprocedure sitting bedside and
(07:45):
trying to guide that person overis not a.
It's not a fun thing no, it'snot.
Sometimes it's necessary and itcan take you to some dark places
for days afterwards when youyes, it can if you're not
careful when paying attention.
Absolutely so.
I don't hear a lot of healerstalk about that part.
(08:07):
They seem to want to ignore thepart that maybe reincarnation
is the only solution.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
I think we don't talk about that because it's I think
it's probably more of the tabooside of and taboo is not the
right word, but it's part of thedarker side of healing.
And it's not something thatpeople want to talk about.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Well, I mean it's like hospice care.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Yeah, hospice care is .
It's a terrible thing.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
It's a terrible thing , but it's there, it's necessary
.
It's necessary and these nursesand stuff are doing everything
they can to make everybodycomfortable Right During this
process.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Because we know what's going on and, honestly,
it takes a special person to bea hospice nurse.
Yes, it does.
I mean wow, because you'redealing with not only dealing
with the patient, you're dealingwith all the family members.
Yeah, because the house isgoing to be full of family
members.
Yeah, and you're dealing withthem and they've got questions.
They're angry, they're sad,they're distraught.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Oh, Lord, you know, mm-mm.
So again, there is a part ofhealing where, even in the pagan
traditions, we have a sort ofhospice care mindset.
Yes, that you know.
We realize there are times wehave to let nature take its
course.
Mm-hmm, you can't fight itanymore.
I mean, it's true, but don'tget me wrong.
(09:33):
Now, like I think, reiki is agood thing, and especially when
you're having chronic pain, okay, but I don't think Reiki will
ever actually heal anything.
I think to me and I could bewrong Reiki to me is more like
just going to the doctor andgetting flu or cold.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
You think it's more like a Band-Aid?
Speaker 2 (09:54):
I think it's more like a Band-Aid.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
It's not really going to do anything to help the
situation, except maybe Relievethe pain for a little while, for
a little while, yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Kind of like, oh God, the acupuncture, acupuncture,
right.
And again, just like you know,doing Tai Chi and yoga and stuff
like that, as long as you'redoing it it helps, right.
But as soon as you stop doingit, so again, it's not
necessarily a cure, right, it'syou're managing, you're helping
someone's, managing their pain.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Right More than anything else, mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
So, which you know, you can also do that through
meditation.
You can up your pain tolerance,sure, yeah, which is possible.
You know a lot of people intemples seems to do that
automatically at some point forsome reason.
Right, it does happen For somereason, and it's always centered
(10:47):
around meditation.
As soon as your meditationstarts to really take off,
suddenly it's just like oh, Iburnt myself.
When did that happen, right?
What else can we talk about?
Speaker 1 (11:02):
What else would you like to say about?
Well, I know, uh, you and Ihave a little differing opinion
about how healing works with thehealer.
You have the opinion that theenergy that you're using doesn't
replenish itself, that onceit's used, it's used.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
No, not necessarily.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
I believe the energy we're using is our own life
force, energy Right To healsomeone else Right, and that
once it's gone, you've actually,once it's used, you've actually
taken time off of yourlifestyle.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Yeah, I believe every time you do that, when you're
doing healings and you're reallytrying to use literally life
force energy, my belief is thatyou're whacking off days and
hours at the end of your life.
You're just shorting itslightly to help somebody else.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
So you don't think it's by a whole lot, but you do
think you are taking some timeoff.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
I believe it affects you.
It depends on the sickness, howbad it is, how severe and how
many people are helping you.
Okay, but again, when you dothose spells, I don't think
there's any way to sit here andgo.
Okay, we're all going to takefour hours of our life and put
it.
I don't.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying?
(12:27):
It's not quite that technical.
Some people, I think, have aeasier time transferring that
life force energy, so they mightaccidentally give too much okay
while other people might notgive as much because they're not
quite as talented in that.
Alright, are you?
Speaker 3 (12:43):
with me.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
We're talking about like the difference between
someone who naturally plays apiano and someone who's taught a
piano Right.
You know only really smartmusic.
People can actually hear thedifference sometimes.
Sometimes, yeah, the way theydo that, but there is a
difference in the way you'velearned and the way you I don't
(13:04):
know how to explain that theeasier talent person just seems
to be able to do it easier,right?
It's like they got an extraskill or something right.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
It's kind of like, um just uh, something that comes
naturally right, just to somepeople and not others.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
I had no rhyme or reason.
I've never figured that out butyeah, that's what I believe.
You don't think that.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
No, I am of the opinion that our energy is
constantly.
It's like a circuit with theearth and with everything that's
around us, right?
Speaker 2 (13:36):
So we are made of stardust.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Scientifically, we are made of stardust, right.
Scientifically, we are made ofstardust, right.
Which means we are part of thecosmos, which means we are
tapped into an infinite sourceof energy, right, right.
So that makes us part of thatcircuit.
So I think that whatever,whatever we're throwing out gets
(13:58):
recirculated.
It may take a little longer toreplenish, maybe.
Whatever we're throwing outgets recirculated.
It may take a little longer toreplenish, maybe.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
But think of it kind of like let's take.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
RPGs right Games, right when you play an RPG, a
role-playing game, most of thetime magic casters have what's
referred to as mana Right ormana, however's referred to as
mana Right, right or mana,however you want to say it.
You use it up, you sit down,you rest.
It replenishes, right.
That's kind of how I view it.
Not quite, but that's kind ofhow I view it.
(14:33):
It's just, it's something thatrecirculates.
We are part of a giant circuitof energy.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yeah, I'm not saying we're not, it's just for some
reason.
When it comes to healing, Ithink to help someone heal we
have to give them over lifeforce, actual life force, energy
.
I don't know how else toexplain that.
I get that You're trying to dosomething a little bit extra.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
This is not like me casting a spell to win the lotto
or something no, I understandthat, but I just I I can't, for,
for whatever reason, I can'tget on board with that because
it's not how I view energy.
Again, for me it's just, it's,it's something that we can do,
(15:22):
right, because we are part ofthis greater force of creation.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
I understand that.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
You know, it's kind of like.
It's kind of like in the Bible.
Okay, we'll go back toChristianity, because I have my
roots in Christianity.
Right, right, Right In theBible, jesus tells his disciples
you too can go and do the samethings that I have done.
Yes, which includes healingpeople, raising the dead,
healing the sick, you knowwhatever.
(15:51):
Right?
Yeah, if that's the case, howare we shortening our lifespan?
I just I can't.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
I mean you.
The sad part about this is it'snever one way, to approve or
not.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
No, there's not.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
We don't know how long.
We know the average, but forone particular individual, me
myself, nobody knows how longI'm supposed to live.
What was my, what was myexpiration date when I was born?
Speaker 1 (16:22):
no, nobody again, we can't prove it, we can't
disprove it, just like you can'tprove or disprove what I'm
saying well of course I believe,but it just.
It's an interesting argumentwhen you sit down with people,
because people have differentviews on it right.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
It's just, for some reason, when I think it comes to
life force, energy and I'mgoing to put it to you this way
we're mainly talking abouthealing other humans and stuff
like that.
Even if it was your dog andyou're doing this, I still think
you're giving up something, alittle bit of your life.
Okay, all right.
And again, I'm not sitting heresaying that you're taking years
(17:00):
off out of whack or anythinglike that, right?
no, it's just, you are takingsome fraction of time Some time
away from yourself, however bigor small it might be, you know,
and no, I'm not sure that energymight sort of replenishes
itself.
There might be a little bounce.
You might not use it all up,but hey, you know what.
(17:22):
You used two hours, but hey,guess what.
We're going to give you an hourback.
There might be a cash backprogram.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Who's to say?
It's like the discover ofhealing Cash back.
We'll match it at the end ofthe year.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
I mean, healing is a very big part of a lot of the
spells and stuff we hear.
It is for a lot of people, yeahRight, I mean from getting
pregnant to easy childbirth tonot getting pregnant.
These are all healing spellstechnically, technically yes,
because we're messing with ourbiologies.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
We're trying to ease pain, we're trying to make
things more bearable, right?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
but yeah, yeah, so yeah, I can see that they're all
forms of healing now, I thinkit takes a certain mindset to be
one of these people which I, Iwill sit here and I am not one
of those people I am not either.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
I think I can be if I need to be, but I've got to be
in a specific situation for that.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
I tend to see more women do this than men.
Priestesses seem to be betterat this versus priests.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
It's that mother nature, it is.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
It's the whole entire thing.
You and the family are out inthe woods.
A bear comes out.
Everybody jumps behind dad.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Right.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
But the kids go outside, scrape their knees.
They're running to mom first.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Exactly, I mean it's nurture.
It's what women are good at.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
You know, I'm not sitting here saying men can't do
this.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
No, absolutely not.
I just tend to think women tendto be better at it yes than we
are.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
I'm not saying we can't do it, it's just I don't
know, I can't explain that it'sum, it's kind of like it's kind
of my mindset about women beingnurses.
They're better, they're betterat it than guy nurses.
Like I see the use of guynurses.
Women tend to be better at thatposition.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yeah, I think it's more of again, I think it's more
of.
Women have that naturalaffinity towards nurturing and
caring.
Yeah, and I think that's whatmakes them better at it's
because they're more in tunewith it they it's just again, it
(19:48):
comes natural to them and Ithink that makes them natural
healers
Speaker 2 (19:55):
right, like I said, I don't.
I think guys can do it.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
I just don't think we're as good at it, as women
tend to be right that's all.
Yeah, it's kind of like wemight struggle a little bit to
get it done, but you know, hey,hey.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
You know, it might take us a little bit longer.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
It happens.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Right, anything else.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
No, I think that about covers it.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Let's go get some coffee.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Let's get some coffee .
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So we had a suggestion as muchas you hear our dog, we should
introduce him.
Everybody say hey to Baller.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Hi Baller.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
You'll hear him off and on in the background.
It's okay, we're also dryingsome herbs, so you'll probably
hear that in the background aswell, anyway.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yes, I'm being productive today.
Right, let's talk healingspells.
Okay, this is a subject we needto cover anyway, because
healing spells can be sometimescan be a little dangerous.
I will agree with you on that.
When performing a healing spell, first thing you need to know
is what's wrong with the personRight?
(01:10):
What's the diagnosis, what'sthe diagnosis?
And the diagnosis isn't a listof symptoms.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
No, that's not.
You're not looking for symptoms, you're not looking for
anything like that.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
I would even sit here and suggest try not to cure
symptoms right.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
I think that kind of defeats the purpose of what
you're doing right, I mean.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
so let's let me give you an example of where in the
world healing symptoms wenthorribly wrong.
Yes, let let's do All, right, afriend of Lord man back in the
day kept on having differentsymptoms and stuff like this, so
they kept on doing healingspells for the guy.
(01:55):
You remember him telling thisstory.
Very vividly yeah it was likeover a month, over a couple of
years or something.
This guy kept on havingdifferent symptoms and they
would do healing spells and moveon.
Well, one day the guy justsuddenly falls out on the floor
of going into a diabetic coma,right, because he didn't have
(02:19):
any of the symptoms of being adiabetic, because they healed
him off, so it wasn't beingtreated, so it wasn't being
treated, so it wasn't beingtreated.
And then causes a biggerproblem.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Okay, but now question comes, and I'm sure
somebody's going to ask this Ifyou're healing the symptoms, how
are you not, in essence,treating the root problem?
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Well, diabetes is a biological problem I don't think
any magic will fix.
I mean, there's just certainthings I don't think magic can
fix.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
But you see the question though, right.
How are you healing symptomswithout touching the problem?
How?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
can you do that?
Well, I believe that most ofthese magic spells are just
suppressing the symptoms.
See, that's where I'm gettingat All right, they're not
actually getting rid of them,they're just suppressing the
symptoms or causing the symptomsnot to appear.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Right or somehow Right.
So that's where the danger is.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
That's where the danger is If you're not really
healing anything, you're justsuppressing.
When we're doing a healingwithout a diagnosis, we run into
problems.
Yep, all right, there's thetrick on this you have to have a
diagnosis Right, and I don'tmean just going out on WebMD
going oh here.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
This is what I think I got.
These are my symptoms.
Don't miss it.
Click, click, click, click,click, click.
Oh look, this is it.
No, no, Go and have your testdone.
Go and get your test done Withyour doctor and have a
discussion with your doctorRight and actually have a
diagnosis Right.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Because this is a big .
Nobody understands how in theworld the healing works in the
pagan community.
You have to work with yourdoctors, you have to work with
your herbalist.
You have to work with yourdoctors.
You have to work with yourherbalist.
You have to work with yourapothecaries.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
You have to work with all.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
You've got to get all these people to work together,
Right?
If you're going to somebody andyou're doing a healing or
something, you need to be awareof what in the world is actually
going on.
Absolutely.
There are some other problemswith healing.
Now.
I know a lot of healers like touse crystals and stuff to put
the bad energy in.
This becomes a problem too.
(04:29):
All right, Because, again, mostcrystals act like regulators
and will slowly leak out energyover time Again.
that's the reason they're greatfor protection.
But if you're putting somethingbad in there, you've got to put
something good in there to holdit in place.
You've got to put a guard onthat.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Well, and not only that, but if you're using that
crystal to contain whatever badenergy you're quote-unquote
healing from somebody, you needto cleanse that crystal every
once in a while, bury it in theground, let the ground soak it.
Well, you need to get it awayfrom you, no matter what.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Because again this stuff sort of acts like
radiation.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Yes, it will leak out .
It's like nuclear waste.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
It will leak out, it will affect you.
Matter of fact, a lot of thehealers I know over the years
seem to be the most sickestpeople, more than anything else,
and every time you walk intotheir house they're surrounded
by all these crystals thatthey've got sickness in and
they're sitting there in themiddle of them.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yep Stewing in their own juices, so to speak.
Right and no that's not good.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
No, I mean, if you're going to use this, yes, you
need to put something in thereto hold it in place and get it
out of your house.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Right, Get it out of your house.
You need to periodic.
Like I said before, if you'regoing to hang on to that crystal
, then you need to cleanse it.
You need to find something todo with that energy.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Right.
Regardless, however you handleit, it needs to be dealt with.
I mean, lady Abba has a boxthat's had spells and stuff to
trap everything inside the boxthat she puts inside the box.
All right, it's kind of like aa safe a witch safe?
Speaker 1 (06:12):
yeah, I don't know how to explain it.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
But yes, that's it right.
I mean we find a big cabinet orsomething and we scribe stuff
all the way around it runes andother symbols, sigils.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
you know angelils, you know angelic symbols.
Whatever you want to use, butyou put some protection on there
To try to hold things in.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yes, absolutely so.
Again, here's one of the thingsI see a lot of healers do, that
I don't want to disagree withthem.
I understand what they're doing, but I still think they need to
put something in there Again.
They themselves are too sick,and I think this is where the
problem is Right Is that theyuse these stones to keep trap
this stuff in there and thenthey hang on to them.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
What's that old saying?
Physician, heal thyself.
Come on, take care of yourself,baby, Take care of yourself.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Please, I mean dipping into those energies and
messing with them.
You already got the stink onyou.
You just don't need to besitting in it too, Right?
Speaker 1 (07:07):
There are residual effects absolutely and you need
to be aware of that Now there'sanother part of healing that
gets a little rougher.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Do tell, because sometimes the only way to heal
someone is to allow them to moveon, sometimes reincarnate and
stuff like that.
So the healing no longer is ahealing but more of a here, let
me guide you over to the otherside, you know, and that's can
be a little daunting.
Yeah, you know, I mean thatprocedure sitting bedside and
(07:45):
trying to guide that person overis not a.
It's not a fun thing no, it'snot.
Sometimes it's necessary and itcan take you to some dark places
for days afterwards when youyes, it can if you're not
careful when paying attention.
Absolutely so.
I don't hear a lot of healerstalk about that part.
(08:07):
They seem to want to ignore thepart that maybe reincarnation
is the only solution.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
I think we don't talk about that because it's I think
it's probably more of the tabooside of and taboo is not the
right word, but it's part of thedarker side of healing.
And it's not something thatpeople want to talk about.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Well, I mean it's like hospice care.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Yeah, hospice care is .
It's a terrible thing.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
It's a terrible thing , but it's there, it's necessary
.
It's necessary and these nursesand stuff are doing everything
they can to make everybodycomfortable Right During this
process.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Because we know what's going on and, honestly,
it takes a special person to bea hospice nurse.
Yes, it does.
I mean wow, because you'redealing with not only dealing
with the patient, you're dealingwith all the family members.
Yeah, because the house isgoing to be full of family
members.
Yeah, and you're dealing withthem and they've got questions.
They're angry, they're sad,they're distraught.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Oh, Lord, you know, mm-mm.
So again, there is a part ofhealing where, even in the pagan
traditions, we have a sort ofhospice care mindset.
Yes, that you know.
We realize there are times wehave to let nature take its
course.
Mm-hmm, you can't fight itanymore.
I mean, it's true, but don'tget me wrong.
(09:33):
Now, like I think, reiki is agood thing, and especially when
you're having chronic pain, okay, but I don't think Reiki will
ever actually heal anything.
I think to me and I could bewrong Reiki to me is more like
just going to the doctor andgetting flu or cold.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
You think it's more like a Band-Aid?
Speaker 2 (09:54):
I think it's more like a Band-Aid.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
It's not really going to do anything to help the
situation, except maybe Relievethe pain for a little while, for
a little while, yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Kind of like, oh God, the acupuncture, acupuncture,
right.
And again, just like you know,doing Tai Chi and yoga and stuff
like that, as long as you'redoing it it helps, right.
But as soon as you stop doingit, so again, it's not
necessarily a cure, right, it'syou're managing, you're helping
someone's, managing their pain.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Right More than anything else, mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
So, which you know, you can also do that through
meditation.
You can up your pain tolerance,sure, yeah, which is possible.
You know a lot of people intemples seems to do that
automatically at some point forsome reason.
Right, it does happen For somereason, and it's always centered
(10:47):
around meditation.
As soon as your meditationstarts to really take off,
suddenly it's just like oh, Iburnt myself.
When did that happen, right?
What else can we talk about?
Speaker 1 (11:02):
What else would you like to say about?
Well, I know, uh, you and Ihave a little differing opinion
about how healing works with thehealer.
You have the opinion that theenergy that you're using doesn't
replenish itself, that onceit's used, it's used.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
No, not necessarily.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
I believe the energy we're using is our own life
force, energy Right To healsomeone else Right, and that
once it's gone, you've actually,once it's used, you've actually
taken time off of yourlifestyle.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Yeah, I believe every time you do that, when you're
doing healings and you're reallytrying to use literally life
force energy, my belief is thatyou're whacking off days and
hours at the end of your life.
You're just shorting itslightly to help somebody else.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
So you don't think it's by a whole lot, but you do
think you are taking some timeoff.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
I believe it affects you.
It depends on the sickness, howbad it is, how severe and how
many people are helping you.
Okay, but again, when you dothose spells, I don't think
there's any way to sit here andgo.
Okay, we're all going to takefour hours of our life and put
it.
I don't.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying?
(12:27):
It's not quite that technical.
Some people, I think, have aeasier time transferring that
life force energy, so they mightaccidentally give too much okay
while other people might notgive as much because they're not
quite as talented in that.
Alright, are you?
Speaker 3 (12:43):
with me.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
We're talking about like the difference between
someone who naturally plays apiano and someone who's taught a
piano Right.
You know only really smartmusic.
People can actually hear thedifference sometimes.
Sometimes, yeah, the way theydo that, but there is a
difference in the way you'velearned and the way you I don't
(13:04):
know how to explain that theeasier talent person just seems
to be able to do it easier,right?
It's like they got an extraskill or something right.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
It's kind of like, um just uh, something that comes
naturally right, just to somepeople and not others.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
I had no rhyme or reason.
I've never figured that out butyeah, that's what I believe.
You don't think that.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
No, I am of the opinion that our energy is
constantly.
It's like a circuit with theearth and with everything that's
around us, right?
Speaker 2 (13:36):
So we are made of stardust.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Scientifically, we are made of stardust, right.
Scientifically, we are made ofstardust, right.
Which means we are part of thecosmos, which means we are
tapped into an infinite sourceof energy, right, right.
So that makes us part of thatcircuit.
So I think that whatever,whatever we're throwing out gets
(13:58):
recirculated.
It may take a little longer toreplenish, maybe.
Whatever we're throwing outgets recirculated.
It may take a little longer toreplenish, maybe.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
But think of it kind of like let's take.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
RPGs right Games, right when you play an RPG, a
role-playing game, most of thetime magic casters have what's
referred to as mana Right ormana, however's referred to as
mana Right, right or mana,however you want to say it.
You use it up, you sit down,you rest.
It replenishes, right.
That's kind of how I view it.
Not quite, but that's kind ofhow I view it.
(14:33):
It's just, it's something thatrecirculates.
We are part of a giant circuitof energy.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yeah, I'm not saying we're not, it's just for some
reason.
When it comes to healing, Ithink to help someone heal we
have to give them over lifeforce, actual life force, energy
.
I don't know how else toexplain that.
I get that You're trying to dosomething a little bit extra.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
This is not like me casting a spell to win the lotto
or something no, I understandthat, but I just I I can't, for,
for whatever reason, I can'tget on board with that because
it's not how I view energy.
Again, for me it's just, it's,it's something that we can do,
(15:22):
right, because we are part ofthis greater force of creation.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
I understand that.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
You know, it's kind of like.
It's kind of like in the Bible.
Okay, we'll go back toChristianity, because I have my
roots in Christianity.
Right, right, Right In theBible, jesus tells his disciples
you too can go and do the samethings that I have done.
Yes, which includes healingpeople, raising the dead,
healing the sick, you knowwhatever.
(15:51):
Right?
Yeah, if that's the case, howare we shortening our lifespan?
I just I can't.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
I mean you.
The sad part about this is it'snever one way, to approve or
not.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
No, there's not.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
We don't know how long.
We know the average, but forone particular individual, me
myself, nobody knows how longI'm supposed to live.
What was my, what was myexpiration date when I was born?
Speaker 1 (16:22):
no, nobody again, we can't prove it, we can't
disprove it, just like you can'tprove or disprove what I'm
saying well of course I believe,but it just.
It's an interesting argumentwhen you sit down with people,
because people have differentviews on it right.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
It's just, for some reason, when I think it comes to
life force, energy and I'mgoing to put it to you this way
we're mainly talking abouthealing other humans and stuff
like that.
Even if it was your dog andyou're doing this, I still think
you're giving up something, alittle bit of your life.
Okay, all right.
And again, I'm not sitting heresaying that you're taking years
(17:00):
off out of whack or anythinglike that, right?
no, it's just, you are takingsome fraction of time Some time
away from yourself, however bigor small it might be, you know,
and no, I'm not sure that energymight sort of replenishes
itself.
There might be a little bounce.
You might not use it all up,but hey, you know what.
(17:22):
You used two hours, but hey,guess what.
We're going to give you an hourback.
There might be a cash backprogram.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Who's to say?
It's like the discover ofhealing Cash back.
We'll match it at the end ofthe year.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
I mean, healing is a very big part of a lot of the
spells and stuff we hear.
It is for a lot of people, yeahRight, I mean from getting
pregnant to easy childbirth tonot getting pregnant.
These are all healing spellstechnically, technically yes,
because we're messing with ourbiologies.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
We're trying to ease pain, we're trying to make
things more bearable, right?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
but yeah, yeah, so yeah, I can see that they're all
forms of healing now, I thinkit takes a certain mindset to be
one of these people which I, Iwill sit here and I am not one
of those people I am not either.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
I think I can be if I need to be, but I've got to be
in a specific situation for that.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
I tend to see more women do this than men.
Priestesses seem to be betterat this versus priests.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
It's that mother nature, it is.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
It's the whole entire thing.
You and the family are out inthe woods.
A bear comes out.
Everybody jumps behind dad.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Right.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
But the kids go outside, scrape their knees.
They're running to mom first.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Exactly, I mean it's nurture.
It's what women are good at.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
You know, I'm not sitting here saying men can't do
this.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
No, absolutely not.
I just tend to think women tendto be better at it yes than we
are.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
I'm not saying we can't do it, it's just I don't
know, I can't explain that it'sum, it's kind of like it's kind
of my mindset about women beingnurses.
They're better, they're betterat it than guy nurses.
Like I see the use of guynurses.
Women tend to be better at thatposition.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yeah, I think it's more of again, I think it's more
of.
Women have that naturalaffinity towards nurturing and
caring.
Yeah, and I think that's whatmakes them better at it's
because they're more in tunewith it they it's just again, it
(19:48):
comes natural to them and Ithink that makes them natural
healers
Speaker 2 (19:55):
right, like I said, I don't.
I think guys can do it.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
I just don't think we're as good at it, as women
tend to be right that's all.
Yeah, it's kind of like wemight struggle a little bit to
get it done, but you know, hey,hey.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
You know, it might take us a little bit longer.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
It happens.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Right, anything else.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
No, I think that about covers it.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Let's go get some coffee.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Let's get some coffee .
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Speaker 3 (20:42):
We travel down this trodden path, the maze of stone
and mire.
Just hold my hand as we pass bya sea of blazing pyres.
And so it is the end of our day, so walk with me till morning
(21:03):
breaks.
And so it is the end of our day.
So walk with me till morning.
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