June 25, 2025 • 24 mins
Would you design your perfect child if you could? Science stands at the precipice of allowing parents to select every attribute of their unborn children—from hair color to height, gender to genetic predispositions. But should we embrace this power, or are we treading into dangerous territory?
Our hosts share deeply personal experiences with children of varying abilities, challenging listeners to consider whether what we perceive as "imperfections" might actually serve greater purposes in our spiritual journeys. One host reflects on raising a child with special needs alongside a child considered "gifted," questioning whether we truly understand the consequences of eliminating genetic diversity.
The potential erosion of free will clashes with natural evolution occurring through increasing racial diversity and acceptance. At its core, this conversation challenges us to respect the mystery and wisdom of natural processes. Whether you approach this topic from a scientific, spiritual, or ethical perspective, you'll find yourself questioning where the boundaries should lie between human intervention and natural design.
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Do you even remember what we were going to talk about
?
Yes, I do how science hasevolved and you can basically
they're getting really close towhere you can have a custom baby
.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Made child.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Right, you can pick their height, their sex, their
hair color.
If they're going to have anygenetic this or that, yep, all
right.
Do you have a problem with anyof this?
I do.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
A huge problem.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Okay, now I don't have no, no need to state this
ahead of time.
I don't have a problem with thewhole IVF.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Fertility.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Fertility just to have a baby baby.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
I don't have a problem with all right.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
What we're talking about is, with the upcoming AI
stuff and the genome beingmapped, that you can customize
your baby exactly.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
I think you're messing with the wheel, so to
speak.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
You're messing with you're messing with forces you
don not quite sure about yet.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Exactly, you have souls leaving.
It's almost like an airport.
We're an airport, you've gotsouls departing and landing
continuously and you're messingwith that airport.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
When you start customizing genes and stuff and
you take something away.
If you take that one gene away,are you sure you're not taking
away their ability to I don'tknow have intelligence?
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
We don't know what pieces do what.
Why in the world this genemight cause cancer, but if we
get rid of it it also supportseye function somehow and that
leads to again I've got threeseparate children with three
separate sets of genes.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
One of those children is missing a portion of a gene
which affects his cognitivefunctions and executive
functioning skills.
So there again, like you said,if you start messing with that
DNA, you might.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
I mean, down syndrome is caused just by double DNA.
Hiccup, basically a hiccup, I'mnot being mean you end up with
two, you end up with two instead.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Right up with two.
You end up with two insteadright, so while you're ordering
blonde hair, blue eyes and a sixfoot.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
You know, child, you might end up creating a learning
disability um something else,something that predisposes them
to cancer or something else,yeah, you know so when these
back.
So if they start doing this,these first few babies are
probably going to be really,really bad off when they become
adults probably or it could, youknow, have a different effect,
and you know, the first oneturns out fantastic.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
So everybody jumps on the bandwagon and that's where
it.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
But now let's be a little bit more shallow about
this.
Does this mean we're all goingto wind up looking alike?
Speaker 3 (03:25):
No.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
We're all going to be six foot because everybody's.
We're always going to pick whatwe consider the best jeans or
the best feature, or we're justall going to wind up looking
alike.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
I don't think so, because everybody has different
tastes, different preferences.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
You're attracted to different people, no, but at the
end of the day, I'm sorry, I Iwatch YouTube.
I see I see the girl, all thegirls sitting there going.
You gotta be, you gotta havethe six, sixes, six foot six
figures.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
And that leads to something what is the current
trend?
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Right.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
So you know, but, but you, but you with, but you're
with me.
Most women.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I know the guy's got to be at least six foot
something.
So all the guys are going to besix foot from now on?
Yes, so I guess that meansthey're all going to be blonde
hair, blue eyes.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Muscular.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Muscular.
Are you with me?
They're all going to wind up.
Everybody's going to wind uplooking the same.
I think it's kind of like whenyou see the ladies that get
plastic surgery yes, yes theyall wind up looking alike.
Yes, yes, same, lips same eyessame even though they didn't
start off that way, by the endof it they all look just the
(04:37):
same correct manufacturedmanufactured plastic, you know,
made in China, on your butt.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
And that's where I think again do you want to?
I mean, why do we want to massproduce children, or a race, or
a society?
Why do we want to mass produce?
Because that's kind of whatit's turning into.
You know I'm a firm believer ofscience.
To um, you know I'm a firmbeliever of science and it
(05:08):
amazes me the leaps and boundsthat they, you know, are able to
to overcome and come up witheach and every day.
But is this what we really wantto focus on?
You know, while they've spentall this time and money
researching how we can custommake a child, well, why haven't
they?
Speaker 1 (05:23):
well, again, I found a cure, but again they well
again, we can't sit here andlook at the just the negatives
on this.
There are some positive sidesof this.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
We're talking about being able to eliminate
childhood disease, certaingenetic diseases, possible
cancers, and I mean there arethings we could, diseases and
stuff we could eliminate yes,but then that's where I go back
to divine intervention and whereI truly feel, because I am
(05:53):
unique in that I have had achild with a birth defect, where
she didn't live past 14 minutes, live past 14 minutes.
I've had a second child who hasa birth defect, you know that
affects his executivefunctioning and cognitive
abilities, as well as some ofhis physical attributes.
(06:15):
And then I've had a third childwho, for lack of a better
description, is perfect in everyway.
Description is perfect in everyway.
You know he is smart, he isperfect health, he is gifted
naturally with an athleticability that I really, you know,
haven't seen.
(06:36):
But if, given the choice, Iwould not have wanted to miss
the experience of my daughter, Iwould not have wanted to miss
the experience of raising my sonthat has special needs and, of
course, I wouldn't want to missthe experience of my third child
as well, who is completelynormal, completely healthy,
(06:56):
gifted.
And so I think that's where youstart messing with divine
intervention, because I dobelieve everything happens for a
reason and when you start tocustom order your children you
may be missing out on a biggerlesson, something that the
(07:18):
universe had in store for you,and you've kind of taken a
detour onto a different path.
All right, well, let me takethis conversation to a little
bit detour onto a different path.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
All right.
Well, let me take thisconversation to a little bit
more, even a darker place.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Okay, so we start doing this, we start customizing
kids and all this.
And how long until we startcustomizing perfect mailman, the
perfect senator, the perfectsoldier?
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Are you with me?
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Yes, how long until we actually start customizing
people to fit into certain jobs,to where in the world they're
not going to do anything else?
How long until we actuallycustomize and take the free will
away from people?
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Exactly, exactly, and you nailed it right there.
You're taking away the freewill, and to me that just leads
to a path of destruction ofsociety as we know it it just
seems to be stale and fallingapart type thing, then then
destructive it's just.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
It seems like things just stop.
Evolution stops, correct,people just stop correct and
kind of.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Um, you know, I think you mentioned ai it goes back
to a lack of realness.
It's almost like living in avirtual reality where, if you
custom ordered your mailman, youcustom ordered your military,
your senators, your politicians.
Then we're just living inalmost a virtual reality, where
(08:42):
everybody's an NPC.
Exactly exactly, and I don'tthink that's, in my opinion,
where we want to go.
I think, again, we are giventhis short time on earth to live
and to learn, to grow andevolve, and I don't think that
(09:03):
you, by rubber stamping andmanufacturing and I keep using
those terms because that's whatit feels like to me you know,
you custom order a child likeyou.
You know, scroll through Amazonand and have something
delivered.
Yeah, to me, that just um thatjust it, it has a ripple effect.
(09:25):
I think that is larger and andspans a distance.
That is, I don't think thatscience is taken into
consideration, and and somewhat,by selling this or marketing
this idea, you know, for thosewho buy into it they're kind of
(09:46):
taking away that free will, thatchoice, if this becomes a thing
, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
I don't think I'd ever do it, but I certainly
wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Again, you know, not everybody is going to have the
perfect baby, Not everybody isgoing to have the perfect life,
but I firmly believe that's thewhole point, because we only
grow and evolve from the stormsthat we survive Right.
And if there were no storms,then you know we're all living
(10:19):
in this sort of utopia.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Well see, I think us being pagan, we tend to think
nature would do a better job atthis.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Now we all admit, nature screws up.
Often people are born withoutarms, with is that a screw-up,
though, but I'm just saying, I'mjust saying body-wide there's a
screw-up, it is.
There's just a malfunction inthe way it grew.
The arm didn't grow, thisdidn't.
It happens right.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
But I think overall, nature is actually trying to
make us all evolve anywaycorrect and and I I would
counter that you know even thethe person born with a missing
limb or, um, a malformed youknow, something like maybe a
cleft palate.
Again, that might notnecessarily be a screw-up, that
(11:12):
might be intentional, becausethat might be intended for the
path that that soul needs totake.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
I'm not saying it's not I'm just saying yeah, you
know that is just.
There are hiccups and yesnature's not perfect.
just like everything else itdoes, it don't always run
exactly the way it's supposed to.
Right Things do happenAbsolutely Now.
With that said, though, I stillthink it's a better Petri dish
(11:43):
to do this, because, again, Istill believe at some point
there is going to be a beingthat is literally born that has
the best genes of all humanity.
If they were to do one of thedna tests and they would put
little pins everywhere it wasrelated to, the whole map would
light up.
They would literally basicallybe a child of the world a child
(12:12):
of the world.
I'm trying to follow that logicAgain.
I've already started to see it.
How many kids do you know nowthat are mixed race?
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Oh gosh a ton.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Right Compared to when we were younger.
Correct, all right.
Now you have Hispanics startingto marry other people and
Asians starting to marry otherpeople, especially here in the
United States.
How long until someone's bornwhose, literally, heritage is
the whole entire world?
If they, like I said, if theywere to do the DNA test, it
(12:46):
would literally be everywhere.
You're a member of everycountry.
You're every culture.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Oh, okay, I see what you're saying Kind of like the
ancestry hits on everything.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Everything equally.
You have the best genes of allhumanity.
I still think that's a no.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
I think this is something I'm looking forward to
A long time coming because,ultimately, my original answer
before I I saw where you'regoing with this my original
answer was, you know, kind oflike the.
The only way for that to happenwould be, you know, a child
created from the god and goddessthemselves.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
But I mean, but do you see what I'm saying?
Speaker 3 (13:28):
yeah, because, just, I guess maybe we should frame it
a little bit, because we've hadthis discussion a lot since we
were in the same science classum back in high school.
But, um, you know,scientifically speaking, uh, you
get the best dna from yourparents, and when you mix those
races, not only are you gettingthe best dna from you know the
(13:51):
father and the mother, but nowyou're getting the best DNA from
that race.
And so that's where you know,we're kind of going with this is
.
You know well, what if you knowthe different races, all of the
ethnicities on the planet?
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Right.
Somehow were to have an orgy insome way.
I don't know how that wouldeven be possible.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
But you're with me.
Yeah, I am.
If it were to somehow bepossible that you have a child
that's produced with the DNA ofall races known to man, of all
races known to man, allethnicities, then yeah, you
would have the perfect exampleof an individual with I don't
(14:41):
know the best of the best, butwould we know for certain that
that would be?
I mean, I don't know that thatwould necessarily make them
superhuman.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
I don't know if it would make them superhuman.
I'm not.
I'm not.
I'm not superhuman.
I'm talking about somethingthat can hold a more powerful
soul than we can now back towhere bigger gurus can come into
this world and teach us evenmore from that standpoint, I
absolutely would say yes.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Are you with what I'm saying that?
Speaker 1 (15:12):
that that somehow our bodies need to evolve to be
able to hold a little bit morepower, a little bit more energy,
a little bit more soul.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
From that standpoint I 100% agree is even though
you're getting the best genesfrom every race, you're also
getting some of thecomplications that come along
with it.
Certain ethnicities are proneto certain diseases or they have
(15:45):
a higher risk that otherethnicities do not.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
But if you have a child, but I'm thinking maybe,
if you have a child like this,that somehow what's what one
something cancels out somethingyeah, yeah else and you only get
the good side of that gene ofeverything, of everything could
be, yeah, yeah yeah, are you?
Are you with me?
Speaker 3 (16:05):
somehow it all balances itself out going look
at heart disease risk is loweredfor this race because the other
one, because you got so manyother, has something else right
so they can kind of I could seeit happening, not in our
lifetime no um no, it would beit would be very interesting to
(16:25):
witness and see it will bebelieve it or not, I, I'm gonna.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I'm gonna something to kick.
I actually think we're closerto it than we actually think.
I think more mixed races happen.
Look, look, look back throughhistory.
We've been doing this forgenerations.
All right, how many otherspecies Nandataw and all them
others did?
They kept on saying, oh, wait aminute, we keep on finding
(16:51):
their DNA in us.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Yes, yes, that's true , all right, we did not always
go out and kill.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Sometimes we went out and shagged instead.
I mean at the end of the day.
So again, this is a processthat's been happening since the
beginning of humanity.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
I agree, I agree.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
All right, I think it's even more speed up now than
it was back then true, I thinkit probably came to a kind of a.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
It slowed down there for a while, maybe had a little
stalemate, but I think you'reright it's.
It's recircled back because wehave more open-minded
individuals.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
And again, especially in American society, because
again I see the mindset fromwhen we were in high school
about people dating each otherof different races, to the way
it is now, the way it is now,nobody even thinks about it.
Correct, all right?
How many comments have I heardabout commercials all being
mixed race?
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Well, and now you too ?
I mean you have kids that don'teven see.
For example, my kids don't evensee race.
They will use and kind of proudmom moment here, but I always
use the Barack Obama example.
(18:15):
Use the Barack Obama exampleDuring one of the presidential
inaugurations we were discussingwho was president at each time
that you know, children wereborn and we were telling my
youngest that Barack Obama waspresident when you know the
oldest was born, and so we'rewatching the inauguration.
He's like, well, which one isBarack Obama?
And my oldest is like, well,he's right there and he's like
he's wearing a blue suit and ared tie.
(18:37):
Okay, well, there's like athousand people at the
inauguration wearing a blue suitand a red tie, and so, of
course, my youngest is likewhich which one, and my oldest
used every example or adverb inhis vocabulary to describe
Barack Obama, but it never onceoccurred to him to to use his
(19:01):
skin color.
He was like he's.
You know, he's standing threefeet to the left of that guy
yeah, the guy holding up hishand right now.
Yeah, so you know so now we'vegot kids who don't even see race
.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
And so that makes and they don't even think of it as
something to describe.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Exactly.
It's not even an adverb anymore, it's not even a description or
part of a description in theirvocabulary when they're talking.
Now I'm not saying that's true,for I think that that's more
prevalent now than it was,certainly back during our
childhood.
But it circles back to yourpoint that if we have kids who
(19:46):
aren't even seeing race, who'snot even thinking about it
Exactly.
That increases the likelihoodthat.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
You're going to date or fall in love with.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Because of their personality, blah, blah, blah,
and go with that and right, andand and when they procreate.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
That's only going to intermix, even more so again I
see it speeding up.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I think we're closer to it than we think we are.
I have because I have metpeople who are not just biracial
but like tri-racial and I evenknow, a few people that are what
quadracial, and I'm like, okay,I think there's more of that
out there than we think.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
I can agree with that .
I still think it's a bit off.
And would we even know?
Would we even know if such achild existed?
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Well, I mean they could put it on the census.
I mean, how many people aremixed race versus how many it's
not?
Speaker 3 (20:43):
but right now there's no registry.
I mean, we're not, you knowwell, I mean now on the census,
just like you know, like we doeverything, else, true, true,
you know it's all I'm thinkingis you start doing that, you
start asking, you know or theystart, you know, requiring that,
with a simple blood draw, whichthey, you know the government
may already be doing.
We just don't know.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Just throwing that out.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
That's another discussion for another time, but
um, remember, they're listening.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
What's that saying?
Just because you're crazydoesn't mean they ain't watching
you exactly, but now that Icould get behind.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
But to circle back to the original thought process of
being able to genetically alteryour child before conception.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
There's a difference in my mind between us doing it
and it just happening in nature.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
I don't, like you know, I don't.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
For some reason it just it feels yucky when you're
sitting there going ooh, hey,yeah, look what we created in a
lab.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Kids aren't casseroles.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
you know, I'm just like ooh, who picked what?
Speaker 3 (21:59):
I just yeah, I'm not digging that either.
Versus nature, where it's sortof like she does a potluck and
what you get is what you getRight and eventually, like you
said, at the end of the daythere's going to be somebody who
got the very best of whatnature had to offer, versus
(22:21):
something that was, you know,engineered in a lab, right.
And again, there's so manydifferent paths this
conversation can take.
And I still circle back to myown personal experience.
I would not have traded any ofmy children to have had the
perfect child.
Do I hate that they had, youknow, difficulties?
(22:41):
Do I hate that they might havea disability or struggles?
Absolutely, but I accept thatthis is what nature gave our
family Right, and so we justmove forward from there.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
I can understand that Want some coffee.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
I do, I do.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Do you even remember what we were going to talk about
?
Yes, I do how science hasevolved and you can basically
they're getting really close towhere you can have a custom baby
.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Made child.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Right, you can pick their height, their sex, their
hair color.
If they're going to have anygenetic this or that, yep, all
right.
Do you have a problem with anyof this?
I do.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
A huge problem.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Okay, now I don't have no, no need to state this
ahead of time.
I don't have a problem with thewhole IVF.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Fertility.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Fertility just to have a baby baby.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
I don't have a problem with all right.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
What we're talking about is, with the upcoming AI
stuff and the genome beingmapped, that you can customize
your baby exactly.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
I think you're messing with the wheel, so to
speak.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
You're messing with you're messing with forces you
don not quite sure about yet.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Exactly, you have souls leaving.
It's almost like an airport.
We're an airport, you've gotsouls departing and landing
continuously and you're messingwith that airport.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
When you start customizing genes and stuff and
you take something away.
If you take that one gene away,are you sure you're not taking
away their ability to I don'tknow have intelligence?
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
We don't know what pieces do what.
Why in the world this genemight cause cancer, but if we
get rid of it it also supportseye function somehow and that
leads to again I've got threeseparate children with three
separate sets of genes.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
One of those children is missing a portion of a gene
which affects his cognitivefunctions and executive
functioning skills.
So there again, like you said,if you start messing with that
DNA, you might.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
I mean, down syndrome is caused just by double DNA.
Hiccup, basically a hiccup, I'mnot being mean you end up with
two, you end up with two instead.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Right up with two.
You end up with two insteadright, so while you're ordering
blonde hair, blue eyes and a sixfoot.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
You know, child, you might end up creating a learning
disability um something else,something that predisposes them
to cancer or something else,yeah, you know so when these
back.
So if they start doing this,these first few babies are
probably going to be really,really bad off when they become
adults probably or it could, youknow, have a different effect,
and you know, the first oneturns out fantastic.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
So everybody jumps on the bandwagon and that's where
it.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
But now let's be a little bit more shallow about
this.
Does this mean we're all goingto wind up looking alike?
Speaker 3 (03:25):
No.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
We're all going to be six foot because everybody's.
We're always going to pick whatwe consider the best jeans or
the best feature, or we're justall going to wind up looking
alike.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
I don't think so, because everybody has different
tastes, different preferences.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
You're attracted to different people, no, but at the
end of the day, I'm sorry, I Iwatch YouTube.
I see I see the girl, all thegirls sitting there going.
You gotta be, you gotta havethe six, sixes, six foot six
figures.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
And that leads to something what is the current
trend?
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Right.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
So you know, but, but you, but you with, but you're
with me.
Most women.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I know the guy's got to be at least six foot
something.
So all the guys are going to besix foot from now on?
Yes, so I guess that meansthey're all going to be blonde
hair, blue eyes.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Muscular.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Muscular.
Are you with me?
They're all going to wind up.
Everybody's going to wind uplooking the same.
I think it's kind of like whenyou see the ladies that get
plastic surgery yes, yes theyall wind up looking alike.
Yes, yes, same, lips same eyessame even though they didn't
start off that way, by the endof it they all look just the
(04:37):
same correct manufacturedmanufactured plastic, you know,
made in China, on your butt.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
And that's where I think again do you want to?
I mean, why do we want to massproduce children, or a race, or
a society?
Why do we want to mass produce?
Because that's kind of whatit's turning into.
You know I'm a firm believer ofscience.
To um, you know I'm a firmbeliever of science and it
(05:08):
amazes me the leaps and boundsthat they, you know, are able to
to overcome and come up witheach and every day.
But is this what we really wantto focus on?
You know, while they've spentall this time and money
researching how we can custommake a child, well, why haven't
they?
Speaker 1 (05:23):
well, again, I found a cure, but again they well
again, we can't sit here andlook at the just the negatives
on this.
There are some positive sidesof this.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
We're talking about being able to eliminate
childhood disease, certaingenetic diseases, possible
cancers, and I mean there arethings we could, diseases and
stuff we could eliminate yes,but then that's where I go back
to divine intervention and whereI truly feel, because I am
(05:53):
unique in that I have had achild with a birth defect, where
she didn't live past 14 minutes, live past 14 minutes.
I've had a second child who hasa birth defect, you know that
affects his executivefunctioning and cognitive
abilities, as well as some ofhis physical attributes.
(06:15):
And then I've had a third childwho, for lack of a better
description, is perfect in everyway.
Description is perfect in everyway.
You know he is smart, he isperfect health, he is gifted
naturally with an athleticability that I really, you know,
haven't seen.
(06:36):
But if, given the choice, Iwould not have wanted to miss
the experience of my daughter, Iwould not have wanted to miss
the experience of raising my sonthat has special needs and, of
course, I wouldn't want to missthe experience of my third child
as well, who is completelynormal, completely healthy,
(06:56):
gifted.
And so I think that's where youstart messing with divine
intervention, because I dobelieve everything happens for a
reason and when you start tocustom order your children you
may be missing out on a biggerlesson, something that the
(07:18):
universe had in store for you,and you've kind of taken a
detour onto a different path.
All right, well, let me takethis conversation to a little
bit detour onto a different path.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
All right.
Well, let me take thisconversation to a little bit
more, even a darker place.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Okay, so we start doing this, we start customizing
kids and all this.
And how long until we startcustomizing perfect mailman, the
perfect senator, the perfectsoldier?
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Are you with me?
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Yes, how long until we actually start customizing
people to fit into certain jobs,to where in the world they're
not going to do anything else?
How long until we actuallycustomize and take the free will
away from people?
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Exactly, exactly, and you nailed it right there.
You're taking away the freewill, and to me that just leads
to a path of destruction ofsociety as we know it it just
seems to be stale and fallingapart type thing, then then
destructive it's just.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
It seems like things just stop.
Evolution stops, correct,people just stop correct and
kind of.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Um, you know, I think you mentioned ai it goes back
to a lack of realness.
It's almost like living in avirtual reality where, if you
custom ordered your mailman, youcustom ordered your military,
your senators, your politicians.
Then we're just living inalmost a virtual reality, where
(08:42):
everybody's an NPC.
Exactly exactly, and I don'tthink that's, in my opinion,
where we want to go.
I think, again, we are giventhis short time on earth to live
and to learn, to grow andevolve, and I don't think that
(09:03):
you, by rubber stamping andmanufacturing and I keep using
those terms because that's whatit feels like to me you know,
you custom order a child likeyou.
You know, scroll through Amazonand and have something
delivered.
Yeah, to me, that just um thatjust it, it has a ripple effect.
(09:25):
I think that is larger and andspans a distance.
That is, I don't think thatscience is taken into
consideration, and and somewhat,by selling this or marketing
this idea, you know, for thosewho buy into it they're kind of
(09:46):
taking away that free will, thatchoice, if this becomes a thing
, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
I don't think I'd ever do it, but I certainly
wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Again, you know, not everybody is going to have the
perfect baby, Not everybody isgoing to have the perfect life,
but I firmly believe that's thewhole point, because we only
grow and evolve from the stormsthat we survive Right.
And if there were no storms,then you know we're all living
(10:19):
in this sort of utopia.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Well see, I think us being pagan, we tend to think
nature would do a better job atthis.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Now we all admit, nature screws up.
Often people are born withoutarms, with is that a screw-up,
though, but I'm just saying, I'mjust saying body-wide there's a
screw-up, it is.
There's just a malfunction inthe way it grew.
The arm didn't grow, thisdidn't.
It happens right.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
But I think overall, nature is actually trying to
make us all evolve anywaycorrect and and I I would
counter that you know even thethe person born with a missing
limb or, um, a malformed youknow, something like maybe a
cleft palate.
Again, that might notnecessarily be a screw-up, that
(11:12):
might be intentional, becausethat might be intended for the
path that that soul needs totake.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
I'm not saying it's not I'm just saying yeah, you
know that is just.
There are hiccups and yesnature's not perfect.
just like everything else itdoes, it don't always run
exactly the way it's supposed to.
Right Things do happenAbsolutely Now.
With that said, though, I stillthink it's a better Petri dish
(11:43):
to do this, because, again, Istill believe at some point
there is going to be a beingthat is literally born that has
the best genes of all humanity.
If they were to do one of thedna tests and they would put
little pins everywhere it wasrelated to, the whole map would
light up.
They would literally basicallybe a child of the world a child
(12:12):
of the world.
I'm trying to follow that logicAgain.
I've already started to see it.
How many kids do you know nowthat are mixed race?
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Oh gosh a ton.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Right Compared to when we were younger.
Correct, all right.
Now you have Hispanics startingto marry other people and
Asians starting to marry otherpeople, especially here in the
United States.
How long until someone's bornwhose, literally, heritage is
the whole entire world?
If they, like I said, if theywere to do the DNA test, it
(12:46):
would literally be everywhere.
You're a member of everycountry.
You're every culture.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Oh, okay, I see what you're saying Kind of like the
ancestry hits on everything.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Everything equally.
You have the best genes of allhumanity.
I still think that's a no.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
I think this is something I'm looking forward to
A long time coming because,ultimately, my original answer
before I I saw where you'regoing with this my original
answer was, you know, kind oflike the.
The only way for that to happenwould be, you know, a child
created from the god and goddessthemselves.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
But I mean, but do you see what I'm saying?
Speaker 3 (13:28):
yeah, because, just, I guess maybe we should frame it
a little bit, because we've hadthis discussion a lot since we
were in the same science classum back in high school.
But, um, you know,scientifically speaking, uh, you
get the best dna from yourparents, and when you mix those
races, not only are you gettingthe best dna from you know the
(13:51):
father and the mother, but nowyou're getting the best DNA from
that race.
And so that's where you know,we're kind of going with this is
.
You know well, what if you knowthe different races, all of the
ethnicities on the planet?
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Right.
Somehow were to have an orgy insome way.
I don't know how that wouldeven be possible.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
But you're with me.
Yeah, I am.
If it were to somehow bepossible that you have a child
that's produced with the DNA ofall races known to man, of all
races known to man, allethnicities, then yeah, you
would have the perfect exampleof an individual with I don't
(14:41):
know the best of the best, butwould we know for certain that
that would be?
I mean, I don't know that thatwould necessarily make them
superhuman.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
I don't know if it would make them superhuman.
I'm not.
I'm not.
I'm not superhuman.
I'm talking about somethingthat can hold a more powerful
soul than we can now back towhere bigger gurus can come into
this world and teach us evenmore from that standpoint, I
absolutely would say yes.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Are you with what I'm saying that?
Speaker 1 (15:12):
that that somehow our bodies need to evolve to be
able to hold a little bit morepower, a little bit more energy,
a little bit more soul.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
From that standpoint I 100% agree is even though
you're getting the best genesfrom every race, you're also
getting some of thecomplications that come along
with it.
Certain ethnicities are proneto certain diseases or they have
(15:45):
a higher risk that otherethnicities do not.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
But if you have a child, but I'm thinking maybe,
if you have a child like this,that somehow what's what one
something cancels out somethingyeah, yeah else and you only get
the good side of that gene ofeverything, of everything could
be, yeah, yeah yeah, are you?
Are you with me?
Speaker 3 (16:05):
somehow it all balances itself out going look
at heart disease risk is loweredfor this race because the other
one, because you got so manyother, has something else right
so they can kind of I could seeit happening, not in our
lifetime no um no, it would beit would be very interesting to
(16:25):
witness and see it will bebelieve it or not, I, I'm gonna.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I'm gonna something to kick.
I actually think we're closerto it than we actually think.
I think more mixed races happen.
Look, look, look back throughhistory.
We've been doing this forgenerations.
All right, how many otherspecies Nandataw and all them
others did?
They kept on saying, oh, wait aminute, we keep on finding
(16:51):
their DNA in us.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Yes, yes, that's true , all right, we did not always
go out and kill.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Sometimes we went out and shagged instead.
I mean at the end of the day.
So again, this is a processthat's been happening since the
beginning of humanity.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
I agree, I agree.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
All right, I think it's even more speed up now than
it was back then true, I thinkit probably came to a kind of a.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
It slowed down there for a while, maybe had a little
stalemate, but I think you'reright it's.
It's recircled back because wehave more open-minded
individuals.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
And again, especially in American society, because
again I see the mindset fromwhen we were in high school
about people dating each otherof different races, to the way
it is now, the way it is now,nobody even thinks about it.
Correct, all right?
How many comments have I heardabout commercials all being
mixed race?
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Well, and now you too ?
I mean you have kids that don'teven see.
For example, my kids don't evensee race.
They will use and kind of proudmom moment here, but I always
use the Barack Obama example.
(18:15):
Use the Barack Obama exampleDuring one of the presidential
inaugurations we were discussingwho was president at each time
that you know, children wereborn and we were telling my
youngest that Barack Obama waspresident when you know the
oldest was born, and so we'rewatching the inauguration.
He's like, well, which one isBarack Obama?
And my oldest is like, well,he's right there and he's like
he's wearing a blue suit and ared tie.
(18:37):
Okay, well, there's like athousand people at the
inauguration wearing a blue suitand a red tie, and so, of
course, my youngest is likewhich which one, and my oldest
used every example or adverb inhis vocabulary to describe
Barack Obama, but it never onceoccurred to him to to use his
(19:01):
skin color.
He was like he's.
You know, he's standing threefeet to the left of that guy
yeah, the guy holding up hishand right now.
Yeah, so you know so now we'vegot kids who don't even see race
.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
And so that makes and they don't even think of it as
something to describe.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Exactly.
It's not even an adverb anymore, it's not even a description or
part of a description in theirvocabulary when they're talking.
Now I'm not saying that's true,for I think that that's more
prevalent now than it was,certainly back during our
childhood.
But it circles back to yourpoint that if we have kids who
(19:46):
aren't even seeing race, who'snot even thinking about it
Exactly.
That increases the likelihoodthat.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
You're going to date or fall in love with.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Because of their personality, blah, blah, blah,
and go with that and right, andand and when they procreate.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
That's only going to intermix, even more so again I
see it speeding up.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I think we're closer to it than we think we are.
I have because I have metpeople who are not just biracial
but like tri-racial and I evenknow, a few people that are what
quadracial, and I'm like, okay,I think there's more of that
out there than we think.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
I can agree with that .
I still think it's a bit off.
And would we even know?
Would we even know if such achild existed?
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Well, I mean they could put it on the census.
I mean, how many people aremixed race versus how many it's
not?
Speaker 3 (20:43):
but right now there's no registry.
I mean, we're not, you knowwell, I mean now on the census,
just like you know, like we doeverything, else, true, true,
you know it's all I'm thinkingis you start doing that, you
start asking, you know or theystart, you know, requiring that,
with a simple blood draw, whichthey, you know the government
may already be doing.
We just don't know.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Just throwing that out.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
That's another discussion for another time, but
um, remember, they're listening.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
What's that saying?
Just because you're crazydoesn't mean they ain't watching
you exactly, but now that Icould get behind.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
But to circle back to the original thought process of
being able to genetically alteryour child before conception.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
There's a difference in my mind between us doing it
and it just happening in nature.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
I don't, like you know, I don't.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
For some reason it just it feels yucky when you're
sitting there going ooh, hey,yeah, look what we created in a
lab.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Kids aren't casseroles.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
you know, I'm just like ooh, who picked what?
Speaker 3 (21:59):
I just yeah, I'm not digging that either.
Versus nature, where it's sortof like she does a potluck and
what you get is what you getRight and eventually, like you
said, at the end of the daythere's going to be somebody who
got the very best of whatnature had to offer, versus
(22:21):
something that was, you know,engineered in a lab, right.
And again, there's so manydifferent paths this
conversation can take.
And I still circle back to myown personal experience.
I would not have traded any ofmy children to have had the
perfect child.
Do I hate that they had, youknow, difficulties?
(22:41):
Do I hate that they might havea disability or struggles?
Absolutely, but I accept thatthis is what nature gave our
family Right, and so we justmove forward from there.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
I can understand that Want some coffee.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
I do, I do.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
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Speaker 4 (23:18):
We travel down this trodden path, the maze of stone
and mire.
Just hold my hand as we pass bya sea of blazing pyres.
And so it is the end of our day.
So walk with me till morningbreaks.
(23:39):
And so it is the end of ourdays.
So walk with me till morningbreaks.
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