December 18, 2024 • 31 mins
Lady Alba and Lord Night explore the intense feelings that bubble up post-election, pondering whether they are a natural reaction or something deeper. We offer insights on staying grounded when emotions urge us to make radical decisions, like distancing from family or thinking about emigration. For those who feel particularly vulnerable, we highlight the power of mindfulness to recognize that fears, no matter how overwhelming, are fleeting.
Are our choices truly our own, or are they shaped by past experiences? With a keen eye on determinism versus free will, we discuss how our perceptions are molded by the past and how they influence our responses to societal shifts. We share stories, such as the aftermath of a natural disaster in North Carolina, to illustrate how people react differently to the same events. By reflecting on everyday actions and the impact of kindness, we encourage listeners to cherish life's small wonders and find peace, even when conversations turn political or uncomfortable.
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Speaker 1 (00:17):
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Now here are your hosts, ladyAbba and Lord Knight.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
So, lord Knight, we're not going to talk politics
.
We're not, we're not.
We're going to make that veryclear no politics.
But we do want to talk aboutpost-election and what I can
only call pagan passion.
Yes, all right there's somestuff going on all right.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
And now again, I just like you, I'm not going to sit
here and fault anyone for havingtheir emotions and feeling them
.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
No, feel them.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Feel your feelings, yes all right, but this seems to
be a little bit more upsettingthan most.
What in the world's going on?
And I think this is starting toget into the territory of
making decisions after peopledie, after big advance, and it's
not a good thing.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Yeah, people are highly, highly emotional and
people have very strong opinions, and that is fine.
There's nothing wrong with that.
But the news and what we'reseeing in the trends are
startling.
Right, people are committingacts of crime.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Violence.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
People are disowning, ignoring or distancing
themselves from family, ordistancing themselves from
family the.
The biggest thing that'simportant in all of this for
people to remember is, while,yes, it may result in some
difficult situations in thecoming months or years, two, two
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things I think are critical.
The first is it's temporary.
Yes, because everything'stemporary, nothing's permanent,
nothing lasts forever, so thependulum will swing again, yes.
The other is the emotionaldistress.
There has to be a point where,instead of continuing to fan the
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flame of what ifs right and thewhat could happen, we have to
stop and and like right now,right, right.
This second where are we?
You and I are sitting in achair, or say, well, not a chair
, two chairs.
We're not in the same chair,folks, we're sitting in chairs.
We are in your house, we are infront of these microphones, we
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are having a conversation, Ihave coffee, you're in your pjs,
like that is our reality rightnow.
Yes, is anything burning?
no right is anything.
Is there smoke?
No?
Speaker 4 (02:59):
no smoke, no nothing.
Yeah, this again, everybody's,everybody's, working themselves
over womanism.
They're ruminating, yeah,absolutely, and you're going to
drive yourself insane that way.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Yes, and people do.
That's the problem.
So being in the moment, beingmindful, right which is
something that we preach anawful lot in craft.
Exactly being mindful, being inthe moment, is about stopping
and taking stock of literallywhere are you, what is happening
?
Right this second, like rightthis second.
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I just glanced out the windowand saw a big, fat blue jay land
on a branch.
That's where I am right thismoment what else matters?
well, it's not.
It's not so much of what elsematters, it's.
I'm okay.
Yes, no one is.
My civil liberties are not indanger right this moment.
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No one is right.
There is no threat in my world.
And it's stopping to recognizethat, while, yes, there may be,
may may be something thathappens in the future, it's not
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right now, no, and so a lot ofthese ideas of what a new
administration might do, coulddo, it's, it's getting to be a
little wacky, right, we we'vegot to stop and take stock of
what is and what isn't.
I know that people are scared.
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I know that there are concernsMe personally.
I have friends right now whoare literally talking about
fleeing the country, and I'mgoing.
Why?
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Well, I mean, I keep on hearing people divorcing
their spouse over this.
Again, let's take a moment,calm down.
You're going to ruin your wholelife because you have.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Uh-huh and that's it.
You're going to ruin your wholelife because you have uh-huh
and that's it.
It's, it's.
You're potentially blowing upyour life literally,
figuratively, whatever it mightbe, over something that's a
maybe there's something about itthat's akin to like a big stock
market crash, yeah, and whenpeople panic and, you know,
freak out, but I just don't feellike, in this exact moment,
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anyone is really having aspecific effect.
I don't know, I don't know it's.
Look, I have, like I said, Ihave some friends, multiple
friends, multiple sets offriends, families who are really
talking about, you know,leaving passports ready, looking
into getting visas, all thisstuff.
One, one of these uh families,they have two trans children and
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this is their big fear, right,like our children aren't safe.
But I'm like, is that reallytrue?
Is?
it opening the door for it to beokay.
Okay, all right.
I'm quoting in quotes tomarginalize that group further
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and to I mean, I hate to say it,but to bully them.
To be mean, you know, peoplefeel people in the conservative
parties right now might feelempowered to be assholes
ultimately.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
But I mean, but I hate to be this way.
If you flip the coin, couldn'tthe same thing be said about the
other Of course it could, ofcourse it could, but I don't
know.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
There's there's so much here that I think it's
sticky.
Right, it's sticky and it's notlook, it's not good, it's not
fun, it's not.
Nobody's happy with this.
I don't think I mean other thana select group.
But we still have to berealistic about what is going on
.
Where are we?
What's really happening in thismoment?
(07:06):
Moment, you know?
I mean I saw it all.
I mean you know, and, andwitches are interesting, because
every political election, everymajor right, I see they start
holding vigils, they start,right, we've seen, uh, I've seen
more things about spells beingcast.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Oh, absolutely you absolutely.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
I'm burning my candles and circles are being
cast.
Oh boy, You're trying to turn atidal wave.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Right, I mean because this brings up an interesting
thing.
When we are talking about magicand spirituality, when do we
give up the ghost?
I mean, we we rarely,especially in the pagan
community, and there's really.
We rarely want to tell peopleno, that's just not you.
Or we want to encourage peopleto keep on trying, but at some
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point you're right.
You, I'm never going to becomea rock star, all right.
I am never going to become ascientist star, all right.
I am never going to become ascientist, all right.
I mean, are you with me?
There are just some things thatpeople have to realize that
they can't do.
But when do you do that?
When do you actually say, ok,this is a time to give up on
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this, this is the time to let go?
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Well, I think there's the difference it's.
Letting go and giving up aretwo different things.
Letting go is is is, letting gois acceptance okay letting go
is saying this is beyond mycontrol, this is beyond right.
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This is the serenity god grantme the ability to recognize the
things that I can change, thosethat I cannot, and the wisdom to
know the difference.
Right, I guess what I'm askingyou where is that line?
but there it is, it's but that'sit at the.
At the end of the day, what canwe control?
Sure, let's go through it.
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We control our thoughts right,our actions, our environment in,
in the sense of if I do notlike my environment, I can leave
it right.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Right, I can choose you, we can change it.
If'm cold, I can turn on theheat Right.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Or literally I can physically change my location
Exactly.
We can change how we react.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
To things.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Yes, but there's loads of things that we can't
change, as a matter of fact, are.
There are countless memes aboutthis?
Um, I'm gonna I'm gonna lookthis up really fast because it's
funny.
I almost bought this.
It was, it's a little, not formyself, but because they're.
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This is that common right now.
There's all these littletrinkets on the market, that
kind of here you go, things youcan control here's a great one
when you ask for help.
What you eat, the boundariesyou set, who you follow, how you
speak to yourself, yoursleeping routine okay, right.
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And then it's things like um,how I challenge myself right.
How I handle myself, how I setgoals okay, things out of my
control.
The actions of others oh,here's a good one.
The past that gave me a little.
I think I got gut checked onthat one uh.
The outcome of my efforts.
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The future, how others, howothers take care of themselves
oh, here's another one.
That's really good.
How other people think of methis is actually.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
I think this is a whole lot simpler to break this
up hold on the opinions ofothers, I mean.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
But I think this is important.
You're right, it can besimplified, of course it can.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
You can control yourself, you cannot control
others.
I mean, that's what it comesdown to, yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
But that's just it.
We're given a false sense ofwhat we can achieve.
We're given this weird falsesense of what we can do.
Right, so we have a democracyin this country, right,
Democracy?
The idea of voting it gives usa false sense of what we can
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influence and what we can change.
Can we?
Is it important?
Yes, Can we influence it?
But it's not influence, it ishaving a say.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Right.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
That's the right.
That's what a vote does.
It has given you an opportunityto have a say.
Right, that's the right.
That's what a vote does.
It has given you an opportunityto have a say.
It does not mean that youyourself are influencing
Anything.
Kinda, yeah, there's a falsenotion in modern man of that we
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can change, we can do, like allof these things that we're
supposed to be able to do orchange or affect.
I'm like, not really.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
I mean the majority of times, especially when you
get into the realm of science,we're barely hanging on to the
tiger's tail in this scenario.
Well, I mean, there's a lot offorces and stuff in this world
we're messing with.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
We not quite sure what we're doing it's funny you
say that there's a really greatarticle that I've been.
We do not have free will.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Ooh.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Yeah, it's fascinating.
It was really, reallyinteresting.
Now is this the one?
Speaker 4 (13:00):
where it basically comes down to, because you're
influenced by your parents andthem raising you, that you're
technically part of theirpersonality and not your own you
the the crux of this, if I can,if I can sum it up right.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
I'm going to try to do my best to sum it up, but
this was a washington postarticle and I'm sure you guys
can look it up.
There is there was onescientist sort of heading up the
movement, but others have kindof joined on to believe this.
It basically is the culminationof everything in your life not
just your parents everything,everything you've been exposed
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to, everything you've learned,everything you've witnessed it's
back to the concept.
You are the sums of yourexperience yeah, you are the sum
of your parts exactly, and as aresult of that, we do not have
free will.
We think we do, but all ofthose things have predetermined
and have mapped ourdecision-making and how we will
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go about them, and science hasit's almost mathematics, right,
it's.
We've been able to computatehow someone will react or
respond and the decisions thatthey will make based on those
factors.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Again, Facebook knows when you go poop.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
I mean.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Yeah, there's so much data about us that is
predictable, and that's thething Pagans often don't like
that.
Pagans still, we still want tobelieve so strongly in the
mysticism, we still want to holdso strongly to the idea that
magic is random, random aweinspiring.
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But but it's not.
It's not that random, it's no,and therein lies the problem.
So it really is.
It's it.
It's for me it is.
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It's interesting.
To sit was a similar thing andI mean we were crying, people
were so upset people, but it how?
Speaker 4 (15:19):
but we're still here.
Yeah again, I understandnormalcy bias and I I'll admit
I'm probably one of the peoplethat has it the most, because my
, I don't think anything'sreally going to happen.
I don't think it's whateverybody's hyping it up to be.
I don't think we're going tohave military marches down the
middle main street.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
You know what I'm saying yeah, and I I go broader
than that.
I go, maybe it will, maybe itwon't, but I'll deal with it as
it comes speculating oneverything that could go wrong I
well, because at the end of theday I stop and I go.
Okay, I still have to get up, Istill have to pay my bills, I
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still have to feed myself.
I still have to feed my animals.
I still have to do my job.
I still have to, I have tofunction.
Exactly how much of my energy,my effort, my brain power am I
going to give away To?
This To this that is going toprevent me from doing the other
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things that I need to do.
My dog doesn't give a crap whothe president is.
No, he's like uh, could you putsome kibble in the bowl please?
Speaker 4 (16:34):
I'm hungry now I mean , I've seen your dogs.
Your dogs look at them.
Go, it puts the kibbles in thebowl or it gets the hose again.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Yes, yes, yes well in my case, it gets the snarfles,
which basically means theysneeze and snot all over me.
Um yeah, they don't care.
I mean, and that's because thatis the way of nature, it
doesn't care so we need, andagain, we always preach.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
We are supposed to be more like nature.
We're supposed to see the seasebb and flow, so does everything
else.
We understand this pattern.
Why are?
I don't understand why thereare so many people getting so
upset.
Go back to our teachings.
There's ebbs and flows.
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Yeah, there are cycles.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
I'm sorry, this is just another cycle well, it's
not any different than what youknow.
Again connecting it to anotherNorth Carolina right now, the
catastrophe in the mountains,the floods.
Is it horrible?
Yes, I mean.
Are people suffering?
Yes, is it, is it.
But was it preventable?
No, and was it necessary?
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She thought so.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
You know what?
Arguing with her is a verydangerous thing.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
I mean, that's my thing.
I mean, look, there was aninteresting sort of I don't know
what you want to call it aruckus.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
That took place because, you know, I'm part of a
bunch of rock hounding groupsand all my friends in the rock
community.
So, very specifically, when thetown of Chimney Rock was washed
out, chimney Rock, on MainStreet, had two very prolific
gem shops I think they were thesame owner but there was one on
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each side of the street, sort ofthing.
Someone made the comment Well,maybe we should all take a trip
down through the Lake Lure basinto start sifting for some of
the expensive some of the right,some of the rocks, gems,
jewelry that is probably in theriver now.
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Oh boy, people lost their mind.
How dare you, how could you saythat people lost their homes
and their life and I'm going,yeah, but they're right.
I mean, it's not going tochange anything, not somebody
deciding to take some dig toolsand go sifting around in some
mud if they find some rocks,good for, I mean, look what they
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do with those rocks if theyfind them, that's up to them.
Could they choose to try toreturn it to the shop owner?
Sure, but it's not going tochange the outcome of what's
already happened.
No, so what does it matter?
And it's this whole entirething, the whole entire getting
revenge on somebody that'skilled someone you love it
doesn't bring the other personback, no, no, so what does it
matter?
and it's this whole entire thing, the whole entire getting
revenge on somebody that'skilled someone you love it
doesn't bring the other personback no, and it's interesting
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because I've I've sort ofthought this forward in a
strange way and then I went.
It's very likely that manyhundreds of years from now, that
site, that area right where aplace like Chimney Rock sat,
it's going to be excavated.
It's going to be right,architects or archaeologists
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might be there.
Architects, right, buildingsare going to and people are
going to find these remnants andgo oh, there was a really
disastrous flood here, somethinghappened, yeah, and this is,
this is what's left right, theseare the and this could, and I'm
thinking about that and I'mgoing.
You know it's, it's like asmall scale, pompeii, right,
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right, but now, with all of ourrecords, with all of our data,
with all of our informationsharing, it's unlikely that this
flood will be lost to time.
People are going to know, therecord will be there.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
I mean, it's not like we lose civilizations, exactly.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Well, we have.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
You know what I'm saying?
It's not like we misplaced it,not now.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Not in today's world anyway, Something extremely
catastrophic would have tohappen for that to take place.
That would be globaldestruction.
But you just kind of stop andgo.
We don't live in those timesanymore where it is going to be
some great archaeologicaldiscovery of, you know, the
great North Carolina flood of2024.
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No, so yeah, go dig in the mud.
Why not?
What I there's?
there's really no reason not toit's a salvage mission at that
point.
So I don't know.
But we see this.
We see this a lot, andsomething that I think we taught
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.
We talk a lot about ego too.
Right.
We talk about how ego is a hugedeterrent to our own personal
power and understanding of craft.
Right yeah it is also the thingthat fuels many of these modern
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beliefs.
It really does it.
It's setting it aside to real,to realize how small we are
right in the grand scheme,because that's the problem that
ego will tell us that you knowto do these big, magnificent
things, or or to continue afight that doesn't need to be
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fought, not like this.
The fight is continue tosupport your community, continue
to fight for laws andlegislation that change things
the way you want them to be,continue to participate I think
people make more of an effortjust living the way that they
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doing those.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Remember the tv show?
What is that?
Uh, if it was you.
Where they do that where theydo the um where I don't.
The one I remember was they hada guy show up and he pretended
like he couldn't read and thenthe woman behind the counter
went off on them to see what thecustomers would do.
What was that show?
What would you do?
I think that was what thecustomers would do?
Speaker 3 (22:46):
What was that show?
What would you do?
What would you do?
I think that was the name of it, yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
And I love that show, because those who did right
they need.
That's what changes societywhen you see it in practice.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Yeah, it really can be that simple, to sort of go
it's the small things that addup collectively, that we all do,
but do them from a place oflove, from peace, from
compassion, not from this placeof anger and fury and upset and
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almost that manic energy.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
And you can't do it from a place of I'm better than
everybody else, all right.
You can't do it from a place ofI'm better than everybody else,
all right you cannot sit thereand do these things and look
down your nose at these peopleat the same time.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
No, because that's where all these tensions come
from.
I mean, we are, we're gonnalook.
Thanksgiving is on the horizonand the reality is there's a lot
of fractured families right now.
Yes, there's a lot of peoplewho will not be having pumpkin
pie together and regardless ofwhat you think of the holiday
itself or its origins right, itsmodern connection is what its
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friends and family.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
That's it.
We want you to come together.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
We need this as a society like this is the time to
put to, not maybe not put itaside, but be civil and
recognize it.
You know it's not the end.
I mean, and I think about thatand I go to me, regret is far
worse than those temporary,those those minute actions in
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the immediate right.
Right, I don't go tothanksgiving this year because
I'm mad at at my aunt and uncle,because they're, you know, and
I have all these, you know,strong opinions about their
political.
Well, you know what?
Okay, they get into a car,wreck in in a year and pass away
that regret's gonna suck, yeah,and that you cannot change at
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all.
But willing yourself to have acivil conversation, encounter,
to choose to put politics aside,that's craft, I mean.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
That's what we do every single day.
I mean, we get together all thetime.
How many, how manyconversations about politics
have you and I squashed?
Speaker 4 (25:11):
oh god, yeah, and sometimes make it even worse.
This is I think this is thesecond conversation me and you
ever had that come this close topolitics.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
And even then we're both sitting here quite
uncomfortable with each otheryeah, I mean because at the end
of the day to some extent it'sfunny I don't want to know.
I don't want to know what someof my friends think.
I don't want to know where someof their political beliefs lie.
There's a part of me that wantsto go.
My spirit loves your spirit andI don't want anything to
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tarnish that.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
I don't want the constructs of man to come in and
mess with that I'm going to saythis okay, I do not want this
to affect the way I see my highpriestess as she stands there
and does ritual and makes mewant to weep.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
That's a good point, yeah that's what I that's more
damn important to me thananything else well, but it's
know, that's an interesting wayto put it, because we also talk
about how, when people feel likethey're being pulled away from
god, well, more often than not,that crisis of faith comes from
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something on the mundane spherethat has taken place.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
It's, it's, it's a scandal, it's information that,
yes, alters us irrevocablywhatever you might want to think
I'm wrong, but it's sort oflike a virus.
There's just something in themind that comes in here and it
just freaking, kills all yourspirituality and pulls you
completely out of your religion.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Yes, but we're also in a time, we're in an era where
everyone thinks they're asleuth or a snoop or right Like
it's our job.
It's our job to find it, tohunt it out, to expose it.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Everybody has become mrs crabbett, sticking their
note that's funny.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Yeah, I mean, that's that.
I mean tmz, right, everybodythinks that that's their job and
I'm like that.
That's a horrible, horrible wayof doing so, just a terrible
way to live.
It's like you're purposefullyseeking out the worst instead of
choosing to find the best.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
You know well again, it's that and I see it a lot,
and I guess I'm gonna have touse myself as an example,
because that's like the safestfor me.
All right Back in the day, backwhen I was younger going to go
get a job, you go get a job, I'dgo apply for a job and you get
turned down.
Yes, I will admit, there ispart of your brain that says it
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goes.
Was it because I was dyslexic?
Was it because I was dyslexic?
Was it because I was gay?
But I don't see a lot of and alot of people want to sit on
that instead of going.
Well, I just wasn't qualifiedfor this job, or somebody else
was more qualified sure we can,but we, that's.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
That is human nature, right?
It's also human nature, though,to kind of go into that I'll
never get a job, I'll never gethired, I'm not.
And you go wait a second.
No, no.
That it's a defeatist attitudeand that's what we have to
combat.
And it's the same thing.
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This is not defeat, this is amoment in time and in the, in
the grand scheme, yeah, yeah,it's not going to matter all
that much.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
Okay, there is a main concept in craft that we must
go through darkness before wecan enjoy the light.
Mm-hmm, all right.
Which means we have to gothrough tough and hard times.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
But cyclically they always happen like yes, if we've
been in a period where thingsare great for a lot, like guess
what it's coming, it's coming,there's yeah I mean they sit
there pretending like it ain'tis just not paying attention to
what's going on no, and I.
There is a.
I mean, I know you're a StarTrek fan too, but there's.
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I remember oh gosh, I can'tremember which which one of the
different you know franchises of.
Star Trek it was, but it was awhole thing about how you know
they don't have money anymore.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Right.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
The, the, the society has transcended.
You know all of these thingsthat you, you, you hear about
and you go gosh, that's, it's soidyllic, but it's also like
they create, they, they presentit like a utopian society.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
She doesn't exist there's always going to be an
ebb and a flow.
There has to be.
No, I agree with you so other.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Otherwise, you know, I kind of get a giggle and I go
hey, where are the skeletons inthe closet?
Because that society's got someskeletons, man, and they, they
tried to bury him real deep.
You know, what did it cost toget to that point?
Speaker 4 (30:19):
and yeah, yeah, I think, in the grand scheme of
things, what we can tell mostpeople is take a breath sit down
, yeah be, in the moment, be inthe moment all right be in the
moment with us sitting in ourpajamas all right, forget about
everything else for a littlewhile.
Yeah, look out the window watchgrass go yep, be still the word
(30:40):
man used to tell us all thetime the all the mysteries of
the universe can be found in asingle blade of grass.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
It's true.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
I think I need some coffee.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
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Now here are your hosts, ladyAbba and Lord Knight.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
So, lord Knight, we're not going to talk politics
.
We're not, we're not.
We're going to make that veryclear no politics.
But we do want to talk aboutpost-election and what I can
only call pagan passion.
Yes, all right there's somestuff going on all right.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
And now again, I just like you, I'm not going to sit
here and fault anyone for havingtheir emotions and feeling them
.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
No, feel them.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Feel your feelings, yes all right, but this seems to
be a little bit more upsettingthan most.
What in the world's going on?
And I think this is starting toget into the territory of
making decisions after peopledie, after big advance, and it's
not a good thing.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Yeah, people are highly, highly emotional and
people have very strong opinions, and that is fine.
There's nothing wrong with that.
But the news and what we'reseeing in the trends are
startling.
Right, people are committingacts of crime.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Violence.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
People are disowning, ignoring or distancing
themselves from family, ordistancing themselves from
family the.
The biggest thing that'simportant in all of this for
people to remember is, while,yes, it may result in some
difficult situations in thecoming months or years, two, two
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things I think are critical.
The first is it's temporary.
Yes, because everything'stemporary, nothing's permanent,
nothing lasts forever, so thependulum will swing again, yes.
The other is the emotionaldistress.
There has to be a point where,instead of continuing to fan the
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flame of what ifs right and thewhat could happen, we have to
stop and and like right now,right, right.
This second where are we?
You and I are sitting in achair, or say, well, not a chair
, two chairs.
We're not in the same chair,folks, we're sitting in chairs.
We are in your house, we are infront of these microphones, we
(02:43):
are having a conversation, Ihave coffee, you're in your pjs,
like that is our reality rightnow.
Yes, is anything burning?
no right is anything.
Is there smoke?
No?
Speaker 4 (02:59):
no smoke, no nothing.
Yeah, this again, everybody's,everybody's, working themselves
over womanism.
They're ruminating, yeah,absolutely, and you're going to
drive yourself insane that way.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Yes, and people do.
That's the problem.
So being in the moment, beingmindful, right which is
something that we preach anawful lot in craft.
Exactly being mindful, being inthe moment, is about stopping
and taking stock of literallywhere are you, what is happening
?
Right this second, like rightthis second.
(03:31):
I just glanced out the windowand saw a big, fat blue jay land
on a branch.
That's where I am right thismoment what else matters?
well, it's not.
It's not so much of what elsematters, it's.
I'm okay.
Yes, no one is.
My civil liberties are not indanger right this moment.
(03:57):
No one is right.
There is no threat in my world.
And it's stopping to recognizethat, while, yes, there may be,
may may be something thathappens in the future, it's not
(04:21):
right now, no, and so a lot ofthese ideas of what a new
administration might do, coulddo, it's, it's getting to be a
little wacky, right, we we'vegot to stop and take stock of
what is and what isn't.
I know that people are scared.
(04:43):
I know that there are concernsMe personally.
I have friends right now whoare literally talking about
fleeing the country, and I'mgoing.
Why?
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Well, I mean, I keep on hearing people divorcing
their spouse over this.
Again, let's take a moment,calm down.
You're going to ruin your wholelife because you have.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Uh-huh and that's it.
You're going to ruin your wholelife because you have uh-huh
and that's it.
It's, it's.
You're potentially blowing upyour life literally,
figuratively, whatever it mightbe, over something that's a
maybe there's something about itthat's akin to like a big stock
market crash, yeah, and whenpeople panic and, you know,
freak out, but I just don't feellike, in this exact moment,
(05:27):
anyone is really having aspecific effect.
I don't know, I don't know it's.
Look, I have, like I said, Ihave some friends, multiple
friends, multiple sets offriends, families who are really
talking about, you know,leaving passports ready, looking
into getting visas, all thisstuff.
One, one of these uh families,they have two trans children and
(05:50):
this is their big fear, right,like our children aren't safe.
But I'm like, is that reallytrue?
Is?
it opening the door for it to beokay.
Okay, all right.
I'm quoting in quotes tomarginalize that group further
(06:18):
and to I mean, I hate to say it,but to bully them.
To be mean, you know, peoplefeel people in the conservative
parties right now might feelempowered to be assholes
ultimately.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
But I mean, but I hate to be this way.
If you flip the coin, couldn'tthe same thing be said about the
other Of course it could, ofcourse it could, but I don't
know.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
There's there's so much here that I think it's
sticky.
Right, it's sticky and it's notlook, it's not good, it's not
fun, it's not.
Nobody's happy with this.
I don't think I mean other thana select group.
But we still have to berealistic about what is going on
.
Where are we?
What's really happening in thismoment?
(07:06):
Moment, you know?
I mean I saw it all.
I mean you know, and, andwitches are interesting, because
every political election, everymajor right, I see they start
holding vigils, they start,right, we've seen, uh, I've seen
more things about spells beingcast.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Oh, absolutely you absolutely.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
I'm burning my candles and circles are being
cast.
Oh boy, You're trying to turn atidal wave.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Right, I mean because this brings up an interesting
thing.
When we are talking about magicand spirituality, when do we
give up the ghost?
I mean, we we rarely,especially in the pagan
community, and there's really.
We rarely want to tell peopleno, that's just not you.
Or we want to encourage peopleto keep on trying, but at some
(07:59):
point you're right.
You, I'm never going to becomea rock star, all right.
I am never going to become ascientist star, all right.
I am never going to become ascientist, all right.
I mean, are you with me?
There are just some things thatpeople have to realize that
they can't do.
But when do you do that?
When do you actually say, ok,this is a time to give up on
(08:20):
this, this is the time to let go?
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Well, I think there's the difference it's.
Letting go and giving up aretwo different things.
Letting go is is is, letting gois acceptance okay letting go
is saying this is beyond mycontrol, this is beyond right.
(08:43):
This is the serenity god grantme the ability to recognize the
things that I can change, thosethat I cannot, and the wisdom to
know the difference.
Right, I guess what I'm askingyou where is that line?
but there it is, it's but that'sit at the.
At the end of the day, what canwe control?
Sure, let's go through it.
(09:04):
We control our thoughts right,our actions, our environment in,
in the sense of if I do notlike my environment, I can leave
it right.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Right, I can choose you, we can change it.
If'm cold, I can turn on theheat Right.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Or literally I can physically change my location
Exactly.
We can change how we react.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
To things.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Yes, but there's loads of things that we can't
change, as a matter of fact, are.
There are countless memes aboutthis?
Um, I'm gonna I'm gonna lookthis up really fast because it's
funny.
I almost bought this.
It was, it's a little, not formyself, but because they're.
(09:57):
This is that common right now.
There's all these littletrinkets on the market, that
kind of here you go, things youcan control here's a great one
when you ask for help.
What you eat, the boundariesyou set, who you follow, how you
speak to yourself, yoursleeping routine okay, right.
(10:22):
And then it's things like um,how I challenge myself right.
How I handle myself, how I setgoals okay, things out of my
control.
The actions of others oh,here's a good one.
The past that gave me a little.
I think I got gut checked onthat one uh.
The outcome of my efforts.
(10:43):
The future, how others, howothers take care of themselves
oh, here's another one.
That's really good.
How other people think of methis is actually.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
I think this is a whole lot simpler to break this
up hold on the opinions ofothers, I mean.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
But I think this is important.
You're right, it can besimplified, of course it can.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
You can control yourself, you cannot control
others.
I mean, that's what it comesdown to, yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
But that's just it.
We're given a false sense ofwhat we can achieve.
We're given this weird falsesense of what we can do.
Right, so we have a democracyin this country, right,
Democracy?
The idea of voting it gives usa false sense of what we can
(11:36):
influence and what we can change.
Can we?
Is it important?
Yes, Can we influence it?
But it's not influence, it ishaving a say.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Right.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
That's the right.
That's what a vote does.
It has given you an opportunityto have a say.
Right, that's the right.
That's what a vote does.
It has given you an opportunityto have a say.
It does not mean that youyourself are influencing
Anything.
Kinda, yeah, there's a falsenotion in modern man of that we
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can change, we can do, like allof these things that we're
supposed to be able to do orchange or affect.
I'm like, not really.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
I mean the majority of times, especially when you
get into the realm of science,we're barely hanging on to the
tiger's tail in this scenario.
Well, I mean, there's a lot offorces and stuff in this world
we're messing with.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
We not quite sure what we're doing it's funny you
say that there's a really greatarticle that I've been.
We do not have free will.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Ooh.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Yeah, it's fascinating.
It was really, reallyinteresting.
Now is this the one?
Speaker 4 (13:00):
where it basically comes down to, because you're
influenced by your parents andthem raising you, that you're
technically part of theirpersonality and not your own you
the the crux of this, if I can,if I can sum it up right.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
I'm going to try to do my best to sum it up, but
this was a washington postarticle and I'm sure you guys
can look it up.
There is there was onescientist sort of heading up the
movement, but others have kindof joined on to believe this.
It basically is the culminationof everything in your life not
just your parents everything,everything you've been exposed
(13:34):
to, everything you've learned,everything you've witnessed it's
back to the concept.
You are the sums of yourexperience yeah, you are the sum
of your parts exactly, and as aresult of that, we do not have
free will.
We think we do, but all ofthose things have predetermined
and have mapped ourdecision-making and how we will
(13:57):
go about them, and science hasit's almost mathematics, right,
it's.
We've been able to computatehow someone will react or
respond and the decisions thatthey will make based on those
factors.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Again, Facebook knows when you go poop.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
I mean.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Yeah, there's so much data about us that is
predictable, and that's thething Pagans often don't like
that.
Pagans still, we still want tobelieve so strongly in the
mysticism, we still want to holdso strongly to the idea that
magic is random, random aweinspiring.
(14:41):
But but it's not.
It's not that random, it's no,and therein lies the problem.
So it really is.
It's it.
It's for me it is.
(15:09):
It's interesting.
To sit was a similar thing andI mean we were crying, people
were so upset people, but it how?
Speaker 4 (15:19):
but we're still here.
Yeah again, I understandnormalcy bias and I I'll admit
I'm probably one of the peoplethat has it the most, because my
, I don't think anything'sreally going to happen.
I don't think it's whateverybody's hyping it up to be.
I don't think we're going tohave military marches down the
middle main street.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
You know what I'm saying yeah, and I I go broader
than that.
I go, maybe it will, maybe itwon't, but I'll deal with it as
it comes speculating oneverything that could go wrong I
well, because at the end of theday I stop and I go.
Okay, I still have to get up, Istill have to pay my bills, I
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still have to feed myself.
I still have to feed my animals.
I still have to do my job.
I still have to, I have tofunction.
Exactly how much of my energy,my effort, my brain power am I
going to give away To?
This To this that is going toprevent me from doing the other
(16:23):
things that I need to do.
My dog doesn't give a crap whothe president is.
No, he's like uh, could you putsome kibble in the bowl please?
Speaker 4 (16:34):
I'm hungry now I mean , I've seen your dogs.
Your dogs look at them.
Go, it puts the kibbles in thebowl or it gets the hose again.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Yes, yes, yes well in my case, it gets the snarfles,
which basically means theysneeze and snot all over me.
Um yeah, they don't care.
I mean, and that's because thatis the way of nature, it
doesn't care so we need, andagain, we always preach.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
We are supposed to be more like nature.
We're supposed to see the seasebb and flow, so does everything
else.
We understand this pattern.
Why are?
I don't understand why thereare so many people getting so
upset.
Go back to our teachings.
There's ebbs and flows.
(17:18):
Yeah, there are cycles.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
I'm sorry, this is just another cycle well, it's
not any different than what youknow.
Again connecting it to anotherNorth Carolina right now, the
catastrophe in the mountains,the floods.
Is it horrible?
Yes, I mean.
Are people suffering?
Yes, is it, is it.
But was it preventable?
No, and was it necessary?
(17:44):
She thought so.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
You know what?
Arguing with her is a verydangerous thing.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
I mean, that's my thing.
I mean, look, there was aninteresting sort of I don't know
what you want to call it aruckus.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
That took place because, you know, I'm part of a
bunch of rock hounding groupsand all my friends in the rock
community.
So, very specifically, when thetown of Chimney Rock was washed
out, chimney Rock, on MainStreet, had two very prolific
gem shops I think they were thesame owner but there was one on
(18:23):
each side of the street, sort ofthing.
Someone made the comment Well,maybe we should all take a trip
down through the Lake Lure basinto start sifting for some of
the expensive some of the right,some of the rocks, gems,
jewelry that is probably in theriver now.
(18:47):
Oh boy, people lost their mind.
How dare you, how could you saythat people lost their homes
and their life and I'm going,yeah, but they're right.
I mean, it's not going tochange anything, not somebody
deciding to take some dig toolsand go sifting around in some
mud if they find some rocks,good for, I mean, look what they
(19:12):
do with those rocks if theyfind them, that's up to them.
Could they choose to try toreturn it to the shop owner?
Sure, but it's not going tochange the outcome of what's
already happened.
No, so what does it matter?
And it's this whole entirething, the whole entire getting
revenge on somebody that'skilled someone you love it
doesn't bring the other personback, no, no, so what does it
matter?
and it's this whole entire thing, the whole entire getting
revenge on somebody that'skilled someone you love it
doesn't bring the other personback no, and it's interesting
(19:34):
because I've I've sort ofthought this forward in a
strange way and then I went.
It's very likely that manyhundreds of years from now, that
site, that area right where aplace like Chimney Rock sat,
it's going to be excavated.
It's going to be right,architects or archaeologists
(19:57):
might be there.
Architects, right, buildingsare going to and people are
going to find these remnants andgo oh, there was a really
disastrous flood here, somethinghappened, yeah, and this is,
this is what's left right, theseare the and this could, and I'm
thinking about that and I'mgoing.
You know it's, it's like asmall scale, pompeii, right,
(20:19):
right, but now, with all of ourrecords, with all of our data,
with all of our informationsharing, it's unlikely that this
flood will be lost to time.
People are going to know, therecord will be there.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
I mean, it's not like we lose civilizations, exactly.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Well, we have.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
You know what I'm saying?
It's not like we misplaced it,not now.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Not in today's world anyway, Something extremely
catastrophic would have tohappen for that to take place.
That would be globaldestruction.
But you just kind of stop andgo.
We don't live in those timesanymore where it is going to be
some great archaeologicaldiscovery of, you know, the
great North Carolina flood of2024.
(21:04):
No, so yeah, go dig in the mud.
Why not?
What I there's?
there's really no reason not toit's a salvage mission at that
point.
So I don't know.
But we see this.
We see this a lot, andsomething that I think we taught
(21:27):
.
We talk a lot about ego too.
Right.
We talk about how ego is a hugedeterrent to our own personal
power and understanding of craft.
Right yeah it is also the thingthat fuels many of these modern
(21:47):
beliefs.
It really does it.
It's setting it aside to real,to realize how small we are
right in the grand scheme,because that's the problem that
ego will tell us that you knowto do these big, magnificent
things, or or to continue afight that doesn't need to be
(22:07):
fought, not like this.
The fight is continue tosupport your community, continue
to fight for laws andlegislation that change things
the way you want them to be,continue to participate I think
people make more of an effortjust living the way that they
(22:27):
doing those.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Remember the tv show?
What is that?
Uh, if it was you.
Where they do that where theydo the um where I don't.
The one I remember was they hada guy show up and he pretended
like he couldn't read and thenthe woman behind the counter
went off on them to see what thecustomers would do.
What was that show?
What would you do?
I think that was what thecustomers would do?
Speaker 3 (22:46):
What was that show?
What would you do?
What would you do?
I think that was the name of it, yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
And I love that show, because those who did right
they need.
That's what changes societywhen you see it in practice.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Yeah, it really can be that simple, to sort of go
it's the small things that addup collectively, that we all do,
but do them from a place oflove, from peace, from
compassion, not from this placeof anger and fury and upset and
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almost that manic energy.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
And you can't do it from a place of I'm better than
everybody else, all right.
You can't do it from a place ofI'm better than everybody else,
all right you cannot sit thereand do these things and look
down your nose at these peopleat the same time.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
No, because that's where all these tensions come
from.
I mean, we are, we're gonnalook.
Thanksgiving is on the horizonand the reality is there's a lot
of fractured families right now.
Yes, there's a lot of peoplewho will not be having pumpkin
pie together and regardless ofwhat you think of the holiday
itself or its origins right, itsmodern connection is what its
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friends and family.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
That's it.
We want you to come together.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
We need this as a society like this is the time to
put to, not maybe not put itaside, but be civil and
recognize it.
You know it's not the end.
I mean, and I think about thatand I go to me, regret is far
worse than those temporary,those those minute actions in
(24:24):
the immediate right.
Right, I don't go tothanksgiving this year because
I'm mad at at my aunt and uncle,because they're, you know, and
I have all these, you know,strong opinions about their
political.
Well, you know what?
Okay, they get into a car,wreck in in a year and pass away
that regret's gonna suck, yeah,and that you cannot change at
(24:46):
all.
But willing yourself to have acivil conversation, encounter,
to choose to put politics aside,that's craft, I mean.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
That's what we do every single day.
I mean, we get together all thetime.
How many, how manyconversations about politics
have you and I squashed?
Speaker 4 (25:11):
oh god, yeah, and sometimes make it even worse.
This is I think this is thesecond conversation me and you
ever had that come this close topolitics.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
And even then we're both sitting here quite
uncomfortable with each otheryeah, I mean because at the end
of the day to some extent it'sfunny I don't want to know.
I don't want to know what someof my friends think.
I don't want to know where someof their political beliefs lie.
There's a part of me that wantsto go.
My spirit loves your spirit andI don't want anything to
(25:42):
tarnish that.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
I don't want the constructs of man to come in and
mess with that I'm going to saythis okay, I do not want this
to affect the way I see my highpriestess as she stands there
and does ritual and makes mewant to weep.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
That's a good point, yeah that's what I that's more
damn important to me thananything else well, but it's
know, that's an interesting wayto put it, because we also talk
about how, when people feel likethey're being pulled away from
god, well, more often than not,that crisis of faith comes from
(26:35):
something on the mundane spherethat has taken place.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
It's, it's, it's a scandal, it's information that,
yes, alters us irrevocablywhatever you might want to think
I'm wrong, but it's sort oflike a virus.
There's just something in themind that comes in here and it
just freaking, kills all yourspirituality and pulls you
completely out of your religion.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Yes, but we're also in a time, we're in an era where
everyone thinks they're asleuth or a snoop or right Like
it's our job.
It's our job to find it, tohunt it out, to expose it.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Everybody has become mrs crabbett, sticking their
note that's funny.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Yeah, I mean, that's that.
I mean tmz, right, everybodythinks that that's their job and
I'm like that.
That's a horrible, horrible wayof doing so, just a terrible
way to live.
It's like you're purposefullyseeking out the worst instead of
choosing to find the best.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
You know well again, it's that and I see it a lot,
and I guess I'm gonna have touse myself as an example,
because that's like the safestfor me.
All right Back in the day, backwhen I was younger going to go
get a job, you go get a job, I'dgo apply for a job and you get
turned down.
Yes, I will admit, there ispart of your brain that says it
(28:02):
goes.
Was it because I was dyslexic?
Was it because I was dyslexic?
Was it because I was gay?
But I don't see a lot of and alot of people want to sit on
that instead of going.
Well, I just wasn't qualifiedfor this job, or somebody else
was more qualified sure we can,but we, that's.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
That is human nature, right?
It's also human nature, though,to kind of go into that I'll
never get a job, I'll never gethired, I'm not.
And you go wait a second.
No, no.
That it's a defeatist attitudeand that's what we have to
combat.
And it's the same thing.
(28:40):
This is not defeat, this is amoment in time and in the, in
the grand scheme, yeah, yeah,it's not going to matter all
that much.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
Okay, there is a main concept in craft that we must
go through darkness before wecan enjoy the light.
Mm-hmm, all right.
Which means we have to gothrough tough and hard times.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
But cyclically they always happen like yes, if we've
been in a period where thingsare great for a lot, like guess
what it's coming, it's coming,there's yeah I mean they sit
there pretending like it ain'tis just not paying attention to
what's going on no, and I.
There is a.
I mean, I know you're a StarTrek fan too, but there's.
(29:29):
I remember oh gosh, I can'tremember which which one of the
different you know franchises of.
Star Trek it was, but it was awhole thing about how you know
they don't have money anymore.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Right.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
The, the, the society has transcended.
You know all of these thingsthat you, you, you hear about
and you go gosh, that's, it's soidyllic, but it's also like
they create, they, they presentit like a utopian society.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
She doesn't exist there's always going to be an
ebb and a flow.
There has to be.
No, I agree with you so other.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Otherwise, you know, I kind of get a giggle and I go
hey, where are the skeletons inthe closet?
Because that society's got someskeletons, man, and they, they
tried to bury him real deep.
You know, what did it cost toget to that point?
Speaker 4 (30:19):
and yeah, yeah, I think, in the grand scheme of
things, what we can tell mostpeople is take a breath sit down
, yeah be, in the moment, be inthe moment all right be in the
moment with us sitting in ourpajamas all right, forget about
everything else for a littlewhile.
Yeah, look out the window watchgrass go yep, be still the word
(30:40):
man used to tell us all thetime the all the mysteries of
the universe can be found in asingle blade of grass.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
It's true.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
I think I need some coffee.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Yeah, thanks for listening.
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Speaker 2 (31:19):
Twitter, YouTube and Reddit blazing pyres, and so it
is the end of our day so walkwith me till morning breaks.
And so it is the end of our dayso walk with me till morning
breaks.
Thank you.
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