December 10, 2025 • 34 mins
What if a circle isn’t a line on the floor but a living sphere that bends time, hushes traffic, and sharpens attention? We take you inside our working model of ritual space: a pressurized pocket where earthly and divine layers overlap just enough for clear contact. From the first breath of casting to the last word of release, we show how a small, contained volume lets energy build like sound in a well-tuned room—focused, resonant, and ready to move.
We unpack why repeated rites in the same room leave a usable residue that makes future work easier, and why boundaries matter to keep that charge from bleeding into hallways and neighbor’s walls. Confidence and clean intent become the real safeguards. You’ll hear how we scale circles by degree for public versus private work, and why some people mistake intensity for “psychic attack". We also discuss planning an exit strategy if you move; bring a quartz to your next space to “carry over” tone without dragging baggage.
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SPEAKER_02 (00:16):
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All right.
So you wanted to talk aboutcircles?
SPEAKER_00 (00:29):
Yeah, let's talk about circles.
SPEAKER_02 (00:30):
I mean, I Are we talking about the shape or are
we talking about ritual space?
SPEAKER_00 (00:34):
We're talking about ritual space, actually.
I don't know.
We can talk about the shape ifyou really want to, you know.
Like, you know, why a circle andnot, you know, a square or
something like that, I guess.
I mean we could.
SPEAKER_02 (00:54):
A whole circle.
We could.
Circle inside of a square,square inside of a circle,
something like that.
SPEAKER_00 (00:58):
Yeah, circle.
Yeah.
unknown (01:02):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (01:03):
No, it's a square inside of a circle.
Yeah.
That exists.
We can put squares insidecircles in in witchcraft.
We we do that a lot.
Different topic.
Different topic.
Triangles too, and other funnyshapes.
All right.
SPEAKER_02 (01:20):
So what about what about ritual space?
SPEAKER_00 (01:23):
Well, what do you what what do you believe ritual
space is?
I mean, in olden days, it's beenargued that they might not have
cast circles and all this otherstuff.
And I know druids don't.
We do.
SPEAKER_02 (01:38):
Yeah, modern day druids don't.
SPEAKER_00 (01:40):
We're not going to sit here and discuss temple
tradition stuff, right?
Right.
So, so again, no, no, notraditional mystery is going to
be talked about.
We hope.
God.
Here's gonna this could be thesad part, is we're gonna have to
run this.
Lady, please, my lady, would youplease listen to this?
(02:01):
Make sure we didn't break anymysteries.
Right.
Make sure we didn't uh break anypromises or anything.
So so what seriously, what doyou think the purpose is behind
us casting a circle?
SPEAKER_02 (02:15):
Um, for me, it's um it's to create, it's to separate
from the day-to-day world.
Um it's uh it's creating a spacewhere basically heaven and earth
can collide, so to speak.
They can so to speak.
Yeah, they can um live in thesame space, if you will.
SPEAKER_00 (02:39):
All right.
I I'd agree with you there.
I'd I believe as soon as westart to cast that circle, what
we're really doing is creatingsort of like in a pocket
dimension, in which it's sort ofit is part of this world, but
it's not.
SPEAKER_03 (02:57):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (02:59):
And I I don't know about you, but I over the years
have noticed some strange thingswhen we cat when we do cast
circles, and they're they'rethey're well constructed circles
and stuff like that, that yourperception of time seems to be a
little off.
It does sometimes when you rightagain.
(03:20):
There's that first trait thatyou're actually doing something
right because you you can do aritual and it's like, oh god,
we've been in here forever, andyou get done and you walk out,
and it's like been 15 minutes.
SPEAKER_03 (03:32):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (03:34):
And you're like, what?
I know that ritual seemed longerthan that.
Then there's other times you goin there and the longest ritual
seems to be like shorter.
SPEAKER_02 (03:44):
That has happened, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (03:47):
Now, again, I don't know if this is just, you know,
the whole entire, hey, it's agood ritual, so everything moves
a little bit faster, or is a badritual, so it seems to drag out
a little bit longer.
I'm not denying that.
I mean, that could be part ofit, but it could be, but uh uh I
(04:07):
I don't tend to think so.
SPEAKER_02 (04:09):
Yeah, I mean, it could at some point happen, but
I don't I don't think thatreally has anything to do with
it.
SPEAKER_00 (04:16):
You know, well, like we're where we do circle when
we're temple is held at thelady's house.
So again, what we do is it's oneof her front rooms of her home
that faces the road, and herroad's not a unbusy road.
I don't know how to put that.
It's not like where we live, welive farther out in the country.
(04:40):
If we see cars at night, weactually stop and have to look
and go, huh?
SPEAKER_02 (04:44):
Who's that?
SPEAKER_00 (04:45):
Because it doesn't happen.
All right, she's got a littlebit more traffic.
When that circle's cast, I don'thear that traffic.
SPEAKER_02 (04:55):
I typically don't know.
SPEAKER_00 (04:58):
You know, I'm I'm not saying like you know, you
don't hear a little bit of itwhen we're just sitting there
having conversations and stufflike that, but as soon as we
have circle, that that seems tomuffle.
So again, here's what makes methink that we're creating some
type of pocket dimension.
All right, and again, becausewe're limiting the space, again,
(05:19):
we call it a circle.
It's not a circle, it's asphere.
It's a sphere, yeah.
All right, it's actually acircle, it's actually a ball.
All right, where the ground isliterally the midpoint, right?
And there's another half of acircle underneath us.
All right.
And again, there's there's waysto cut that if you really want
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to, to only have a half a circlethere or a half a ball there.
It's long and complicated, notgoing to get into it.
Uh but generally I I believebecause it's such a small space
like that, and because we'recrowding the energies there,
that we're able to raise theenergy vibrations a whole lot
(06:04):
higher than just being in nocircle.
SPEAKER_02 (06:09):
I see that because you're actually you're
containing it.
And so it's it's bouncing offthe sphere, essentially, is what
it's doing.
Yeah, you're you've got theenergy moving and it's inside of
an area.
It's kind of like a snow globe.
If you look at a snow globe, Imean, you shake it up, what's it
(06:32):
doing?
It's just it's constantly movingaround a small area.
SPEAKER_00 (06:38):
Right.
Concentrating it all into onearea, making it look like it's
snowing in a snow globe.
SPEAKER_02 (06:43):
Right.
And I believe that's kind of thekind of the same effect, but I
believe it's more like um morelike a waterspout type deal
where it builds on itself.
SPEAKER_00 (06:56):
Yeah.
We typically believe in agrarianfilts.
All right, which basically thethe the idea here is is that
well when we put out thatpsychic energy, just hate to be
this way, but it's kind of likecleaning carpets.
(07:17):
If you clean a carpet with anextractor, you can never get all
the water up.
All the water you put on thecarpet, you can never get it all
100% back up.
You sort of got to wait for itto dry.
SPEAKER_03 (07:27):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (07:28):
Psychic energy, we believe, is sort of the same
way.
You can put it out for thatcircle, but you're never going
to pull it all back in.
SPEAKER_03 (07:36):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (07:37):
You're gonna leave some of it behind.
And then when you have otherpeople in the circle, their
energy sort of lingers too.
All right.
So over time of doing ritual inthe same spot over and over
again, this energetic fieldstarts to create and settle into
the space.
SPEAKER_02 (07:57):
Right.
Kind of in the cell, really.
SPEAKER_00 (08:01):
Right.
And now again, I'm not gonna sitthere and tell you it stays
literally inside that circle,but it literally stays within
the dwelling because this is whywe're this is why in the world
you hear us talk a lot aboutwhen we're blessing houses to
put, especially temples wherewe're gonna be doing ritual,
putting barriers up or uh sigilsup to keep the energy in.
(08:25):
We don't want that energy toleak out, we want it to maintain
there.
Right.
Because that's part of theenergy that we use to recast
circle each time.
SPEAKER_02 (08:35):
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00 (08:36):
And over time it makes it a little bit more
intensified.
SPEAKER_02 (08:39):
Well, again, it builds on itself.
SPEAKER_00 (08:42):
Right.
The more people you have there,the more energy that is created
over time, with every full moon,with every Sabbath, with every
wickening when the same processis going on.
SPEAKER_02 (08:55):
Yeah, everything that we do in that space lays
down another layer.
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (09:00):
There are ways to manipulate this, all right.
For example, in our tradition,we have a first-degree circle
casting that we use.
Then we have, when you becomesecond degree, you learn a
different way to cast circlewith slight alterations there,
right?
Which makes the energies alittle bit more intense.
(09:23):
Then when you become thirddegree, you learn the third
degree way of casting circle,which really intense energy.
SPEAKER_02 (09:32):
I was gonna say, simply put, again, it alters
that energy.
SPEAKER_00 (09:36):
That energy and the flow of that energy, right, and
how the energy actually entersthe circle and how it exits the
circle, even if it even actsexits the circle.
And how it and it literally, andalso how it moves.
SPEAKER_02 (09:50):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (09:51):
All right.
So there's a bunch of this isthe stuff we're not talking
about on how to actually dothat.
These are more traditionalmysteries, right?
But again, there are differentways to do this, and some
temples, yes, as you progress,you'll learn different forms of
circle casting.
All right, which is veryconfusing to some people if
(10:12):
they're not really payingattention.
SPEAKER_02 (10:14):
Well, it can be.
I mean, because you know, you'reyou're being taught one way
initially, and then all of asudden, oh look, yeah, now
there's a different way to doit.
SPEAKER_00 (10:24):
Well, I true.
SPEAKER_02 (10:26):
And it depends on how long you've been doing it
the the initial way.
Right.
You know, you get so ingrained,and then all of a sudden
everything's uphiver.
SPEAKER_00 (10:38):
That transition from a first degree to a second
degree is not that complicatedbecause they're just smile
changes.
SPEAKER_03 (10:45):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (10:46):
You know, the general basic concept of circle
casting is still there.
Now, at the end of the day, doyou believe that this circle is
there to protect us or toprotect something else?
Because everybody talks aboutthese circles being protective.
Do you believe they are?
SPEAKER_02 (11:04):
Um, no.
I don't think they are.
I don't there's nothing.
The way I believe is thatthere's nothing when we are in
in that space, there's nothingthat can I mean, I guess in a
way it is.
Um now that I'm putting it intowords.
(11:24):
There's nothing that's gonnabother us in that space.
You know, I mean nothing comesin unless we invite it.
So I guess in some ways, yes, itis a protective space.
But by the same token, and Iguess this is where it's a
little confusing, by the sametoken.
I don't see that we needprotection.
SPEAKER_00 (11:45):
I I don't think we need protection.
I I I think it's more of a it'sto protect other entities from
us.
SPEAKER_02 (11:55):
Maybe.
SPEAKER_00 (11:57):
All right.
Uh it less than protecting usfrom other entities.
Are are you are you are you withme?
I I I don't I do not I do notsee anywhere where we need to be
protected from the gods.
Because when we're casting thiscircle, that's the first thing
we're doing.
We're either going to invokethem or incarnate them inside
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circle, and we really shouldn'tbe afraid of that.
SPEAKER_02 (12:27):
Well, and see, here's the thing here's my thing
on that.
I don't believe the gods needprotection from us.
What are we gonna do to them?
SPEAKER_00 (12:36):
I mean maybe not that well, maybe not them, but
the elementals and stuff likethat.
Technically, to them, we're thedemons.
SPEAKER_02 (12:47):
Well, I get it, but again, we're talking about
ancient beings.
SPEAKER_00 (12:53):
Yeah, but you know, I no, they're not fragile, but I
I think they are acceptedacceptable to our emotional
states, our irrational emotionalstates that we have.
All right.
Again, you you go inside thecircle, you get afraid, or you
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get fear, or you're angry, orsomething like that.
I I think that can you think itaffects them?
It won't.
I think it affects them.
I I think it repels them to someextent.
SPEAKER_02 (13:26):
Well, I could see that.
I don't know about being I don'tknow about I don't know if I
would say susceptible to ouremotions because that implies
that we're affecting them onmore than just a level of um I'm
not going near that.
Right.
You know what I mean?
That that implies that like ifwe're fearful, then they become
fearful.
(13:47):
If we're upset, they becomeupset.
I don't believe we I don'tbelieve we can affect them like
that.
SPEAKER_00 (13:54):
I can sort of see what you're saying there, but I
I also see where in the worldokay, uh your your emotional
energies might not break one oftheir arms per se, but might
give them a bruise.
SPEAKER_02 (14:08):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (14:09):
And I and I hate to be this way, when you have an
elemental or any other beingshow up and they're constantly
getting bruised every timethey're in circle, how long
until they don't come back?
SPEAKER_02 (14:21):
Gotcha.
Yeah, I can get on board withthat.
SPEAKER_00 (14:24):
Because again, they are they are something different
than us, and who knows how roughour energy is compared to
theirs.
SPEAKER_02 (14:34):
I just I don't I don't see us affecting them like
that.
I think and I think in someways, if we're not, well not in
some ways, but if we're notrespectful to them, then yeah,
that's kind of like an abusiverelationship.
And no, they're not gonna comeback for that.
SPEAKER_00 (14:52):
Well, I mean, well, with that said though, but to
get elementals to actuallycommune with you, you gotta have
a you gotta be a little bit moreyou gotta have a lot of
willpower and a lot ofconfidence in yourself.
SPEAKER_02 (15:07):
Well, and I don't I don't think that's because it
takes that much to command them.
I just think the the more themore confident you are, the more
respect they have for you.
SPEAKER_00 (15:18):
Right.
And the more they actuallylisten into you.
I mean, right there's adifference between listening to
your drill sergeant andlistening to some first, you
know, private that you know,first grade private private that
don't know what in the worldthey're talking about.
SPEAKER_01 (15:34):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (15:35):
Where the privates, they're the generals, you know,
that upsetting them.
If you're not confident, ifyou're not sure of yourself, how
are you even casting that circleto begin with?
SPEAKER_02 (15:47):
Exactly.
You're just going through themotions at that point.
SPEAKER_00 (15:50):
Yeah, are you actually going through the
motions or are you actuallydoing something?
SPEAKER_02 (15:54):
Yeah.
Confidence is key for sure.
SPEAKER_00 (15:58):
Now, we believe it's necessary to cast circle to have
ritual, but it's not necessarilyto cast circle to have to cast a
spell.
SPEAKER_02 (16:09):
Right.
Yeah, again, that's thedistinction between a sacred
space and a working space.
SPEAKER_00 (16:17):
Okay, me and the lady have been going through
some stuff on you know, throughthe lecture course and some
other info, and we are having alittle bit of a thing because we
keep on going through thesefiles that Lord Men left us, and
which the files are namedritual, but yet you get in there
and they're all spells.
SPEAKER_03 (16:38):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (16:40):
All right.
So again, there that there isthis whole entire thing of you
know having to go back throughand okay, separating spells from
actual rituals.
A spell is not a ritual to us, aspell is something you do at
your kitchen counter orsomewhere else, not in your
ritual space.
(17:01):
Right.
Because for us, this is more ofa religion than it is some magic
system.
Right.
I'm not gonna sit here and saywe don't use magic to cast
circle, but to me that does notmake it a magical circle, it
just makes it a circle.
SPEAKER_02 (17:17):
Well, and yeah, I was gonna say it's not that we
haven't done some magic insideof Spockle, but um it's not it's
not a primary focus.
SPEAKER_00 (17:30):
It's not a primary function of the circle.
SPEAKER_02 (17:32):
Right.
I mean, if if it relates to whatwe're doing, then yeah, we might
do something.
SPEAKER_00 (17:40):
Well, but again, doing group spells are is
difficult.
Because again, one of the thingsthey tell you when you when
you're casting spells, what'sthe first thing you get?
You have to envision theoutcome.
Yes, that you want.
All right, and what my idealoutcome is and what somebody
else's ideal outcome is mightnot be what in the world really
(18:03):
is going on, right?
SPEAKER_02 (18:05):
Yeah, so so again, I I think in in some aspect when
you're doing something likethat, then you basically have to
give everybody the end goal.
Right.
So that everybody can be on thesame page.
SPEAKER_00 (18:19):
If you're gonna do that.
Well, again, one of the reasonswhy we might do inside circle is
the actual property of thecircle, which we talked about
earlier, about being able toraise energy up to a higher
frequency and concentrate it ina smaller space.
Yes.
So it's more effective that wayversus just you know willy-nilly
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out in the yard.
SPEAKER_02 (18:42):
Well, it's it's going back to um, and it's
something that a lot of peopledon't they don't even use this
term anymore, but it's the coneof power.
SPEAKER_00 (18:52):
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (18:53):
And that's essentially what it is.
You're you're concentrating allof that into a centralized space
to use at some point later.
SPEAKER_00 (19:04):
I mean, and if you really visualize it, it's less
of a cone of power and just morelike filling the whole entire
bottle up with circle until it'slike a balloon and pops.
SPEAKER_03 (19:14):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (19:15):
Or you pierce it.
It's not very comb shape.
It just seems like it whenyou're inside of it.
SPEAKER_02 (19:22):
Sort of.
Yeah, the the the cone of powerthing is it's actually directed.
What you're talking about is notdirected, you're just yeah,
you're letting it go.
SPEAKER_00 (19:32):
You're letting it go.
I mean inside of that space.
But again, yes, right.
To to pierce it, yes, you've gotto direct it and focus it a
little bit more.
It's and again, it's still notnecessarily a comb.
SPEAKER_02 (19:44):
It just Yeah, and I mean it's just a term that was
used to kind of to sort of yeah,what's what's going on here.
SPEAKER_04 (19:53):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (19:53):
So again, it's just the way of explaining what in
the world we're talking about iscalling it a comb of power.
Right.
So don't confuse the two.
It don't you don't get a combinside a circle like that.
You get energy inside circle towhere it's focused, then it
popped through.
Right.
Now when you're inside circle,the majority well, the majority
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of times when you're insidecircle, some of the energies can
get so intense that I've heardsome people even sit there and
go, hey, you know what?
I was psychically attackedinside your circle.
And you sort of look at them andgo, Well, actually, you weren't.
Right.
That's just the energy of ritualitself.
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It's not that you're beingattacked, it's just the energy
is that high inside circle andyou're not used to it.
Right.
Don't confuse the two.
Normally it's just you noticepatterns outside of your normal
behavior that don't make anysense.
SPEAKER_02 (20:54):
Chances are some type of attack like that is not
going to happen inside of sacredspace.
It's going to happen outside.
SPEAKER_00 (21:02):
It's going to happen outside.
SPEAKER_02 (21:03):
So that's that's your biggest clue right there.
SPEAKER_00 (21:06):
Right.
Like we just talked about, youknow, different circles at
different degrees.
So if we're if we're doing apublic ritual, we're not going
to be casting a third-degreecircle.
We're only going to be casting afirst degree circle.
SPEAKER_02 (21:19):
Right.
Because we want to keep thatattention at a minimum.
SPEAKER_00 (21:24):
Subdued, because if it's a public ritual, we're
going to have people that arenot used to being in our rituals
or anything like that or used tothat energy.
So we're going to do it at thelowest level possible.
All right.
Where you might be in a thirddegree.
If you came to our private onesand you automatically stepped
into one of our third-degreecircles, yes, you might be
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sitting there going, Oh, I'mgetting attacked.
No, it's just the energies, it'sjust a lot there.
SPEAKER_02 (21:51):
Well, now we have we have had some people, you know,
break down in tears.
Yeah.
Because of the amount of energyinside of circle, and they
didn't know what to do with it.
SPEAKER_00 (22:04):
Right.
We've had people come insidecircle and literally be sitting
there and feeling like they'rebeing pressed down onto the
floor to the point where theyknow I need to get out of here
and go lay down.
So again, these things dohappen.
Here, here's what's going on.
Because you know, I hear a lotof people out on the net talking
about if they should orshouldn't cast a circle.
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It really depends on you.
SPEAKER_02 (22:27):
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
And your tradition.
There's a lot of people whodon't even bother with circles,
and things work just fine forthem.
SPEAKER_00 (22:35):
Now, if you're out there and you're you're trying
to decide what to do, what I'mgoing to sit there and tell you
to do is pick a way to castcircle.
Open up any Wiccan pagan bookout there, and there's going to
be a circle casting somewhere inthere.
Probably.
All right.
I mean, yeah, I mean, from ScottCuttingham all the way up to the
LaFarge, all of them talk aboutit.
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I would tell you to start off bytrying different ones and see
what works for you.
And then once you find one,stick with it.
Get it memorized to where youknow it, like the back of your
hand.
SPEAKER_02 (23:10):
Right.
And you know, somewhere alongthe line, you can even you can,
and we highly recommend this,you can customize it to your
needs, you know, and and andwhat feels right for you.
You know, right, write yourquarter calls, write your, you
know, write your invocations.
SPEAKER_00 (23:28):
Go for it.
Make it yours, practice it.
SPEAKER_02 (23:30):
Yeah, and practice it.
SPEAKER_00 (23:31):
Again, have this now had practice, practice.
Okay, and here's what I tellmost people when when we're
sitting there teaching my firstdegrees circle casting, the
expectation is that you can castcircle in under five minutes.
SPEAKER_02 (23:46):
Right, and it's not a race.
SPEAKER_00 (23:49):
It's not no, it's not a race, but the idea is you
you don't want to spend twohours on just casting circles.
SPEAKER_02 (23:56):
Right.
The idea is you want to minimizethe distractions, minimum
minimize the interruptions.
You want everything to flowsmoothly.
Right.
And when it flows smoothly, it'sgonna be time efficient.
SPEAKER_00 (24:11):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (24:12):
I mean, it's just the way it's gonna work.
You don't want, you know, atwo-hour prep time for for a 50%
ritual.
SPEAKER_00 (24:20):
That makes no sense because you know, at some point
the elementals are gonna belike, huh, I've been here for an
hour.
I'm bored.
We still ain't starting ritual.
Bye.
Peace out.
SPEAKER_02 (24:30):
You ain't even got a TV on.
I should have brought my headset.
SPEAKER_00 (24:40):
Now again, I I I know a lot of people aren't
gonna agree with us on a lot ofthis, but this is the way we do
it in our tradition.
The way y'all do it, y'all'sbusiness.
Just talking about this ingeneral.
SPEAKER_03 (24:51):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (24:52):
So, is there anything else about circles we
might want to talk about?
That's where we don'tnecessarily get into mysteries.
Uh I really do believe that thecircle allows us to bring our
energies up to the lowest levelsof the deity, while deity sort
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of brings itself down to itslowest level to meet us.
And eventually we we we are ableto overlap the two worlds
slightly inside that circle.
SPEAKER_02 (25:25):
That's um I mean that's the whole idea between
basically the celestial spaceand the earthly space uh being
in the same plane.
SPEAKER_00 (25:38):
Right.
I mean, for the sake ofargument, you could say we're we
we believe we're s folding spacein on itself.
SPEAKER_03 (25:45):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (25:46):
But sort of like two different realms of space are
folding in on themselves so wecan sort of see each other and
communicate better.
SPEAKER_02 (25:55):
I was gonna say think of it more like more like
a pita pocket.
So when you're making a pita,you know, you're folding two
pieces of bread, right?
SPEAKER_00 (26:05):
Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_02 (26:06):
And then you've got this little pocket space in
between.
And if you squeeze the sides, itkind of creates a sphere.
I know, that's so simple.
SPEAKER_00 (26:16):
Yeah.
But uh, but again, again, youknow, hey, KISS method is always
a good thing, you know.
If you don't know what that is,that means keep it simple,
stupid.
All right.
Again, the more the morecomplicated we make this stuff,
the more out of our hands andcontrol we lose.
But if we keep it simple, it's alittle bit better.
SPEAKER_02 (26:39):
No, you because a lot of this add more elements,
you know, as you go.
Right.
But do it after you've gottenyour base casting down.
SPEAKER_00 (26:49):
Right.
But again, I mean, that's justlike quarter calls.
I I'm I'm I'm I'm sorry.
Doing these three pages quartercalls is freaking ridiculous to
me.
I they could be a little bitmore shorter and precise and
straight to the point and justmove on.
SPEAKER_02 (27:05):
I mean, some of them are beautiful.
It's it's definite poems.
SPEAKER_00 (27:08):
Some of them are.
SPEAKER_02 (27:09):
But you know, you don't you don't want an epic
poem for a quarter call.
No.
Well, at least we don't.
SPEAKER_00 (27:18):
No.
I I would not suggest to it.
Now, how now how would you tellpeople to tell if they are
casting the right circle forthem?
SPEAKER_02 (27:27):
You'll know.
But to trust your instincts,trust your gut.
SPEAKER_00 (27:32):
Well, I I'm gonna sit there and say, okay, if you
start getting weird stuffhappening in your home, mainly
that's focused around the placewhere you cast circle to begin
with, you know, electronicsstart messing up, electrical
systems don't quite work right.
Uh which we've all you know, nomatter you know, no matter how
(27:54):
many times you replace thebattery and the smoke detector
every after every ritual itseems to go dead.
Right.
These are signs that your circleis leaking energy.
SPEAKER_02 (28:05):
Right.
You need you need to make somemodifications.
SPEAKER_00 (28:08):
You need to make some modifications there and and
maybe meditate and try to figureout how to make it stronger in
and of itself, and or how to usethat agrarian field.
We did circle at our house forwhat five years?
SPEAKER_02 (28:25):
Um it was more like seven.
SPEAKER_00 (28:29):
Seven years.
And by the end of that sevenyears, casting circle was a
piece of cake with the agrarianfield there that we'd built up.
SPEAKER_02 (28:37):
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (28:38):
I mean, to the to the point to where a
well-trained second or thirddegree could stand in the middle
of a circle and not say anythingand literally raise a circle out
of nowhere, just using theagrarian field.
I'm not saying this is the bestuse of this.
The idea here is that you know,once you start casting circles,
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the energy that's still leftthere is going to sort of know
what it did last time.
SPEAKER_02 (29:04):
Yeah, it's got a memory to it.
SPEAKER_00 (29:05):
And automatic.
Yeah, it's sort of got a memoryto it.
So it's gonna automaticallystart to do the same thing again
each time.
And yes, each time you leave alittle bit more energy behind,
and a little bit more energybehind.
And yes, they do become beaconsto other entities.
Why in the world you've got toput even more barriers and stuff
around houses?
(29:26):
Right.
All right, because again, you donot want this energy to leak out
into the neighbor's house.
SPEAKER_02 (29:31):
No.
Oh no, you don't want that atall.
That's gonna freak yourneighbors out.
SPEAKER_00 (29:37):
Now, what happens when you move?
You sell the house off, andyou're no longer gonna do there.
SPEAKER_02 (29:44):
Honey, you better take up every part of that field
that you can get.
SPEAKER_00 (29:48):
Well, again, we've already stated you can't always
get it all up.
That's how the agrarian fieldcreated to begin with.
SPEAKER_02 (29:54):
I said everything that you can get.
SPEAKER_00 (30:00):
And then after that, you sort of have to encourage it
to dissipate or to start takingdown those barriers in the house
so the energy can so it candissipate.
Which I would sit there and tellyou if you're if you're moving
and you've been doing ritual inyour house for 20 years, yeah
you might say, okay, we're goingto be moving in six months.
(30:20):
I need to start breaking thisstuff down now and leach it
because again, what happensafter you leave could create,
and you're not there to maintainthose barriers and you know, do
your regular cleansings andstuff like that to make sure
those barriers are still strongand there, and it could create
(30:43):
haunted houses.
SPEAKER_02 (30:45):
Yeah, it could to some extent.
It could, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (30:48):
You know, there's this there's this great entire
uh episode on from AnimalPlanet, where in the world a uh
a coven used to be in a house,and they lived and they moved
out, and a family moved in.
Yeah, and the dogs and the catskept on acting very bizarre, and
they contacted the old owners,and the old owners were like,
(31:10):
Well, this is where our templewas, this is where we did ritual
and all this.
And they were like, So maybe wedidn't dissipate all the energy
we should have, so they had tosort of come in and re bless and
try to thin that energy out justa tad bit more.
SPEAKER_02 (31:27):
Yeah, I love that episode.
SPEAKER_00 (31:30):
And I think it's funny because again, I remember
the lady like sending it to me.
It's like, oh, you gotta watchthis.
And she's like, Well, me and herboth are just sitting there
laughing, goes, Oh, oh, I knowwhat she's doing, I know what
he's doing.
Oh.
SPEAKER_02 (31:44):
Yep, because we had to do that when we moved.
SPEAKER_00 (31:48):
Oh, yeah.
You might want to have at leastan exit plan.
Even if you don't plan onmoving.
SPEAKER_02 (31:56):
Yeah, it's good to have that in your back pocket
because you never know.
SPEAKER_00 (31:59):
Right.
You never know.
And you never know when you'regonna get called to a house to
do a house blessing, and ithappened to be a house from a
former witch, and you're like,oh, hey, look, there's an
agrarian field right here.
Um, that might be your problem.
SPEAKER_02 (32:14):
Yeah, we're gonna have to get rid of that.
SPEAKER_00 (32:17):
All right.
I mean, again, one of theeasiest ways to do it is to find
one of them quartz crystals, setit in there, and energize it
enough to where in the world itwill start to try to pull in as
much of that agrarian field asyou can.
That way, when you go to yournew place, you can sort of take
that agrarian field, what alittle bit of that agrarian
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field you can take with you tosort of kick off the next one.
SPEAKER_03 (32:42):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (32:43):
So, again, there's a piece of that energy we're gonna
be taking, but you you sort ofhave to go and get it through
this roundabout way.
So go figure.
Is there anything we'veforgotten about circles?
Lord.
We I don't know.
We've covered I mean, I knowthere's a bunch of stuff we
didn't talk about.
SPEAKER_02 (33:00):
I was gonna say we've covered so much, but
there's so much more we can'tcover.
SPEAKER_00 (33:07):
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All right.
So you wanted to talk aboutcircles?
SPEAKER_00 (00:29):
Yeah, let's talk about circles.
SPEAKER_02 (00:30):
I mean, I Are we talking about the shape or are
we talking about ritual space?
SPEAKER_00 (00:34):
We're talking about ritual space, actually.
I don't know.
We can talk about the shape ifyou really want to, you know.
Like, you know, why a circle andnot, you know, a square or
something like that, I guess.
I mean we could.
SPEAKER_02 (00:54):
A whole circle.
We could.
Circle inside of a square,square inside of a circle,
something like that.
SPEAKER_00 (00:58):
Yeah, circle.
Yeah.
unknown (01:02):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (01:03):
No, it's a square inside of a circle.
Yeah.
That exists.
We can put squares insidecircles in in witchcraft.
We we do that a lot.
Different topic.
Different topic.
Triangles too, and other funnyshapes.
All right.
SPEAKER_02 (01:20):
So what about what about ritual space?
SPEAKER_00 (01:23):
Well, what do you what what do you believe ritual
space is?
I mean, in olden days, it's beenargued that they might not have
cast circles and all this otherstuff.
And I know druids don't.
We do.
SPEAKER_02 (01:38):
Yeah, modern day druids don't.
SPEAKER_00 (01:40):
We're not going to sit here and discuss temple
tradition stuff, right?
Right.
So, so again, no, no, notraditional mystery is going to
be talked about.
We hope.
God.
Here's gonna this could be thesad part, is we're gonna have to
run this.
Lady, please, my lady, would youplease listen to this?
(02:01):
Make sure we didn't break anymysteries.
Right.
Make sure we didn't uh break anypromises or anything.
So so what seriously, what doyou think the purpose is behind
us casting a circle?
SPEAKER_02 (02:15):
Um, for me, it's um it's to create, it's to separate
from the day-to-day world.
Um it's uh it's creating a spacewhere basically heaven and earth
can collide, so to speak.
They can so to speak.
Yeah, they can um live in thesame space, if you will.
SPEAKER_00 (02:39):
All right.
I I'd agree with you there.
I'd I believe as soon as westart to cast that circle, what
we're really doing is creatingsort of like in a pocket
dimension, in which it's sort ofit is part of this world, but
it's not.
SPEAKER_03 (02:57):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (02:59):
And I I don't know about you, but I over the years
have noticed some strange thingswhen we cat when we do cast
circles, and they're they'rethey're well constructed circles
and stuff like that, that yourperception of time seems to be a
little off.
It does sometimes when you rightagain.
(03:20):
There's that first trait thatyou're actually doing something
right because you you can do aritual and it's like, oh god,
we've been in here forever, andyou get done and you walk out,
and it's like been 15 minutes.
SPEAKER_03 (03:32):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (03:34):
And you're like, what?
I know that ritual seemed longerthan that.
Then there's other times you goin there and the longest ritual
seems to be like shorter.
SPEAKER_02 (03:44):
That has happened, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (03:47):
Now, again, I don't know if this is just, you know,
the whole entire, hey, it's agood ritual, so everything moves
a little bit faster, or is a badritual, so it seems to drag out
a little bit longer.
I'm not denying that.
I mean, that could be part ofit, but it could be, but uh uh I
(04:07):
I don't tend to think so.
SPEAKER_02 (04:09):
Yeah, I mean, it could at some point happen, but
I don't I don't think thatreally has anything to do with
it.
SPEAKER_00 (04:16):
You know, well, like we're where we do circle when
we're temple is held at thelady's house.
So again, what we do is it's oneof her front rooms of her home
that faces the road, and herroad's not a unbusy road.
I don't know how to put that.
It's not like where we live, welive farther out in the country.
(04:40):
If we see cars at night, weactually stop and have to look
and go, huh?
SPEAKER_02 (04:44):
Who's that?
SPEAKER_00 (04:45):
Because it doesn't happen.
All right, she's got a littlebit more traffic.
When that circle's cast, I don'thear that traffic.
SPEAKER_02 (04:55):
I typically don't know.
SPEAKER_00 (04:58):
You know, I'm I'm not saying like you know, you
don't hear a little bit of itwhen we're just sitting there
having conversations and stufflike that, but as soon as we
have circle, that that seems tomuffle.
So again, here's what makes methink that we're creating some
type of pocket dimension.
All right, and again, becausewe're limiting the space, again,
(05:19):
we call it a circle.
It's not a circle, it's asphere.
It's a sphere, yeah.
All right, it's actually acircle, it's actually a ball.
All right, where the ground isliterally the midpoint, right?
And there's another half of acircle underneath us.
All right.
And again, there's there's waysto cut that if you really want
(05:41):
to, to only have a half a circlethere or a half a ball there.
It's long and complicated, notgoing to get into it.
Uh but generally I I believebecause it's such a small space
like that, and because we'recrowding the energies there,
that we're able to raise theenergy vibrations a whole lot
(06:04):
higher than just being in nocircle.
SPEAKER_02 (06:09):
I see that because you're actually you're
containing it.
And so it's it's bouncing offthe sphere, essentially, is what
it's doing.
Yeah, you're you've got theenergy moving and it's inside of
an area.
It's kind of like a snow globe.
If you look at a snow globe, Imean, you shake it up, what's it
(06:32):
doing?
It's just it's constantly movingaround a small area.
SPEAKER_00 (06:38):
Right.
Concentrating it all into onearea, making it look like it's
snowing in a snow globe.
SPEAKER_02 (06:43):
Right.
And I believe that's kind of thekind of the same effect, but I
believe it's more like um morelike a waterspout type deal
where it builds on itself.
SPEAKER_00 (06:56):
Yeah.
We typically believe in agrarianfilts.
All right, which basically thethe the idea here is is that
well when we put out thatpsychic energy, just hate to be
this way, but it's kind of likecleaning carpets.
(07:17):
If you clean a carpet with anextractor, you can never get all
the water up.
All the water you put on thecarpet, you can never get it all
100% back up.
You sort of got to wait for itto dry.
SPEAKER_03 (07:27):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (07:28):
Psychic energy, we believe, is sort of the same
way.
You can put it out for thatcircle, but you're never going
to pull it all back in.
SPEAKER_03 (07:36):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (07:37):
You're gonna leave some of it behind.
And then when you have otherpeople in the circle, their
energy sort of lingers too.
All right.
So over time of doing ritual inthe same spot over and over
again, this energetic fieldstarts to create and settle into
the space.
SPEAKER_02 (07:57):
Right.
Kind of in the cell, really.
SPEAKER_00 (08:01):
Right.
And now again, I'm not gonna sitthere and tell you it stays
literally inside that circle,but it literally stays within
the dwelling because this is whywe're this is why in the world
you hear us talk a lot aboutwhen we're blessing houses to
put, especially temples wherewe're gonna be doing ritual,
putting barriers up or uh sigilsup to keep the energy in.
(08:25):
We don't want that energy toleak out, we want it to maintain
there.
Right.
Because that's part of theenergy that we use to recast
circle each time.
SPEAKER_02 (08:35):
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00 (08:36):
And over time it makes it a little bit more
intensified.
SPEAKER_02 (08:39):
Well, again, it builds on itself.
SPEAKER_00 (08:42):
Right.
The more people you have there,the more energy that is created
over time, with every full moon,with every Sabbath, with every
wickening when the same processis going on.
SPEAKER_02 (08:55):
Yeah, everything that we do in that space lays
down another layer.
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (09:00):
There are ways to manipulate this, all right.
For example, in our tradition,we have a first-degree circle
casting that we use.
Then we have, when you becomesecond degree, you learn a
different way to cast circlewith slight alterations there,
right?
Which makes the energies alittle bit more intense.
(09:23):
Then when you become thirddegree, you learn the third
degree way of casting circle,which really intense energy.
SPEAKER_02 (09:32):
I was gonna say, simply put, again, it alters
that energy.
SPEAKER_00 (09:36):
That energy and the flow of that energy, right, and
how the energy actually entersthe circle and how it exits the
circle, even if it even actsexits the circle.
And how it and it literally, andalso how it moves.
SPEAKER_02 (09:50):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (09:51):
All right.
So there's a bunch of this isthe stuff we're not talking
about on how to actually dothat.
These are more traditionalmysteries, right?
But again, there are differentways to do this, and some
temples, yes, as you progress,you'll learn different forms of
circle casting.
All right, which is veryconfusing to some people if
(10:12):
they're not really payingattention.
SPEAKER_02 (10:14):
Well, it can be.
I mean, because you know, you'reyou're being taught one way
initially, and then all of asudden, oh look, yeah, now
there's a different way to doit.
SPEAKER_00 (10:24):
Well, I true.
SPEAKER_02 (10:26):
And it depends on how long you've been doing it
the the initial way.
Right.
You know, you get so ingrained,and then all of a sudden
everything's uphiver.
SPEAKER_00 (10:38):
That transition from a first degree to a second
degree is not that complicatedbecause they're just smile
changes.
SPEAKER_03 (10:45):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (10:46):
You know, the general basic concept of circle
casting is still there.
Now, at the end of the day, doyou believe that this circle is
there to protect us or toprotect something else?
Because everybody talks aboutthese circles being protective.
Do you believe they are?
SPEAKER_02 (11:04):
Um, no.
I don't think they are.
I don't there's nothing.
The way I believe is thatthere's nothing when we are in
in that space, there's nothingthat can I mean, I guess in a
way it is.
Um now that I'm putting it intowords.
(11:24):
There's nothing that's gonnabother us in that space.
You know, I mean nothing comesin unless we invite it.
So I guess in some ways, yes, itis a protective space.
But by the same token, and Iguess this is where it's a
little confusing, by the sametoken.
I don't see that we needprotection.
SPEAKER_00 (11:45):
I I don't think we need protection.
I I I think it's more of a it'sto protect other entities from
us.
SPEAKER_02 (11:55):
Maybe.
SPEAKER_00 (11:57):
All right.
Uh it less than protecting usfrom other entities.
Are are you are you are you withme?
I I I don't I do not I do notsee anywhere where we need to be
protected from the gods.
Because when we're casting thiscircle, that's the first thing
we're doing.
We're either going to invokethem or incarnate them inside
(12:20):
circle, and we really shouldn'tbe afraid of that.
SPEAKER_02 (12:27):
Well, and see, here's the thing here's my thing
on that.
I don't believe the gods needprotection from us.
What are we gonna do to them?
SPEAKER_00 (12:36):
I mean maybe not that well, maybe not them, but
the elementals and stuff likethat.
Technically, to them, we're thedemons.
SPEAKER_02 (12:47):
Well, I get it, but again, we're talking about
ancient beings.
SPEAKER_00 (12:53):
Yeah, but you know, I no, they're not fragile, but I
I think they are acceptedacceptable to our emotional
states, our irrational emotionalstates that we have.
All right.
Again, you you go inside thecircle, you get afraid, or you
(13:14):
get fear, or you're angry, orsomething like that.
I I think that can you think itaffects them?
It won't.
I think it affects them.
I I think it repels them to someextent.
SPEAKER_02 (13:26):
Well, I could see that.
I don't know about being I don'tknow about I don't know if I
would say susceptible to ouremotions because that implies
that we're affecting them onmore than just a level of um I'm
not going near that.
Right.
You know what I mean?
That that implies that like ifwe're fearful, then they become
fearful.
(13:47):
If we're upset, they becomeupset.
I don't believe we I don'tbelieve we can affect them like
that.
SPEAKER_00 (13:54):
I can sort of see what you're saying there, but I
I also see where in the worldokay, uh your your emotional
energies might not break one oftheir arms per se, but might
give them a bruise.
SPEAKER_02 (14:08):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (14:09):
And I and I hate to be this way, when you have an
elemental or any other beingshow up and they're constantly
getting bruised every timethey're in circle, how long
until they don't come back?
SPEAKER_02 (14:21):
Gotcha.
Yeah, I can get on board withthat.
SPEAKER_00 (14:24):
Because again, they are they are something different
than us, and who knows how roughour energy is compared to
theirs.
SPEAKER_02 (14:34):
I just I don't I don't see us affecting them like
that.
I think and I think in someways, if we're not, well not in
some ways, but if we're notrespectful to them, then yeah,
that's kind of like an abusiverelationship.
And no, they're not gonna comeback for that.
SPEAKER_00 (14:52):
Well, I mean, well, with that said though, but to
get elementals to actuallycommune with you, you gotta have
a you gotta be a little bit moreyou gotta have a lot of
willpower and a lot ofconfidence in yourself.
SPEAKER_02 (15:07):
Well, and I don't I don't think that's because it
takes that much to command them.
I just think the the more themore confident you are, the more
respect they have for you.
SPEAKER_00 (15:18):
Right.
And the more they actuallylisten into you.
I mean, right there's adifference between listening to
your drill sergeant andlistening to some first, you
know, private that you know,first grade private private that
don't know what in the worldthey're talking about.
SPEAKER_01 (15:34):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (15:35):
Where the privates, they're the generals, you know,
that upsetting them.
If you're not confident, ifyou're not sure of yourself, how
are you even casting that circleto begin with?
SPEAKER_02 (15:47):
Exactly.
You're just going through themotions at that point.
SPEAKER_00 (15:50):
Yeah, are you actually going through the
motions or are you actuallydoing something?
SPEAKER_02 (15:54):
Yeah.
Confidence is key for sure.
SPEAKER_00 (15:58):
Now, we believe it's necessary to cast circle to have
ritual, but it's not necessarilyto cast circle to have to cast a
spell.
SPEAKER_02 (16:09):
Right.
Yeah, again, that's thedistinction between a sacred
space and a working space.
SPEAKER_00 (16:17):
Okay, me and the lady have been going through
some stuff on you know, throughthe lecture course and some
other info, and we are having alittle bit of a thing because we
keep on going through thesefiles that Lord Men left us, and
which the files are namedritual, but yet you get in there
and they're all spells.
SPEAKER_03 (16:38):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (16:40):
All right.
So again, there that there isthis whole entire thing of you
know having to go back throughand okay, separating spells from
actual rituals.
A spell is not a ritual to us, aspell is something you do at
your kitchen counter orsomewhere else, not in your
ritual space.
(17:01):
Right.
Because for us, this is more ofa religion than it is some magic
system.
Right.
I'm not gonna sit here and saywe don't use magic to cast
circle, but to me that does notmake it a magical circle, it
just makes it a circle.
SPEAKER_02 (17:17):
Well, and yeah, I was gonna say it's not that we
haven't done some magic insideof Spockle, but um it's not it's
not a primary focus.
SPEAKER_00 (17:30):
It's not a primary function of the circle.
SPEAKER_02 (17:32):
Right.
I mean, if if it relates to whatwe're doing, then yeah, we might
do something.
SPEAKER_00 (17:40):
Well, but again, doing group spells are is
difficult.
Because again, one of the thingsthey tell you when you when
you're casting spells, what'sthe first thing you get?
You have to envision theoutcome.
Yes, that you want.
All right, and what my idealoutcome is and what somebody
else's ideal outcome is mightnot be what in the world really
(18:03):
is going on, right?
SPEAKER_02 (18:05):
Yeah, so so again, I I think in in some aspect when
you're doing something likethat, then you basically have to
give everybody the end goal.
Right.
So that everybody can be on thesame page.
SPEAKER_00 (18:19):
If you're gonna do that.
Well, again, one of the reasonswhy we might do inside circle is
the actual property of thecircle, which we talked about
earlier, about being able toraise energy up to a higher
frequency and concentrate it ina smaller space.
Yes.
So it's more effective that wayversus just you know willy-nilly
(18:42):
out in the yard.
SPEAKER_02 (18:42):
Well, it's it's going back to um, and it's
something that a lot of peopledon't they don't even use this
term anymore, but it's the coneof power.
SPEAKER_00 (18:52):
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (18:53):
And that's essentially what it is.
You're you're concentrating allof that into a centralized space
to use at some point later.
SPEAKER_00 (19:04):
I mean, and if you really visualize it, it's less
of a cone of power and just morelike filling the whole entire
bottle up with circle until it'slike a balloon and pops.
SPEAKER_03 (19:14):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (19:15):
Or you pierce it.
It's not very comb shape.
It just seems like it whenyou're inside of it.
SPEAKER_02 (19:22):
Sort of.
Yeah, the the the cone of powerthing is it's actually directed.
What you're talking about is notdirected, you're just yeah,
you're letting it go.
SPEAKER_00 (19:32):
You're letting it go.
I mean inside of that space.
But again, yes, right.
To to pierce it, yes, you've gotto direct it and focus it a
little bit more.
It's and again, it's still notnecessarily a comb.
SPEAKER_02 (19:44):
It just Yeah, and I mean it's just a term that was
used to kind of to sort of yeah,what's what's going on here.
SPEAKER_04 (19:53):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (19:53):
So again, it's just the way of explaining what in
the world we're talking about iscalling it a comb of power.
Right.
So don't confuse the two.
It don't you don't get a combinside a circle like that.
You get energy inside circle towhere it's focused, then it
popped through.
Right.
Now when you're inside circle,the majority well, the majority
(20:14):
of times when you're insidecircle, some of the energies can
get so intense that I've heardsome people even sit there and
go, hey, you know what?
I was psychically attackedinside your circle.
And you sort of look at them andgo, Well, actually, you weren't.
Right.
That's just the energy of ritualitself.
(20:36):
It's not that you're beingattacked, it's just the energy
is that high inside circle andyou're not used to it.
Right.
Don't confuse the two.
Normally it's just you noticepatterns outside of your normal
behavior that don't make anysense.
SPEAKER_02 (20:54):
Chances are some type of attack like that is not
going to happen inside of sacredspace.
It's going to happen outside.
SPEAKER_00 (21:02):
It's going to happen outside.
SPEAKER_02 (21:03):
So that's that's your biggest clue right there.
SPEAKER_00 (21:06):
Right.
Like we just talked about, youknow, different circles at
different degrees.
So if we're if we're doing apublic ritual, we're not going
to be casting a third-degreecircle.
We're only going to be casting afirst degree circle.
SPEAKER_02 (21:19):
Right.
Because we want to keep thatattention at a minimum.
SPEAKER_00 (21:24):
Subdued, because if it's a public ritual, we're
going to have people that arenot used to being in our rituals
or anything like that or used tothat energy.
So we're going to do it at thelowest level possible.
All right.
Where you might be in a thirddegree.
If you came to our private onesand you automatically stepped
into one of our third-degreecircles, yes, you might be
(21:46):
sitting there going, Oh, I'mgetting attacked.
No, it's just the energies, it'sjust a lot there.
SPEAKER_02 (21:51):
Well, now we have we have had some people, you know,
break down in tears.
Yeah.
Because of the amount of energyinside of circle, and they
didn't know what to do with it.
SPEAKER_00 (22:04):
Right.
We've had people come insidecircle and literally be sitting
there and feeling like they'rebeing pressed down onto the
floor to the point where theyknow I need to get out of here
and go lay down.
So again, these things dohappen.
Here, here's what's going on.
Because you know, I hear a lotof people out on the net talking
about if they should orshouldn't cast a circle.
(22:25):
It really depends on you.
SPEAKER_02 (22:27):
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
And your tradition.
There's a lot of people whodon't even bother with circles,
and things work just fine forthem.
SPEAKER_00 (22:35):
Now, if you're out there and you're you're trying
to decide what to do, what I'mgoing to sit there and tell you
to do is pick a way to castcircle.
Open up any Wiccan pagan bookout there, and there's going to
be a circle casting somewhere inthere.
Probably.
All right.
I mean, yeah, I mean, from ScottCuttingham all the way up to the
LaFarge, all of them talk aboutit.
(22:57):
I would tell you to start off bytrying different ones and see
what works for you.
And then once you find one,stick with it.
Get it memorized to where youknow it, like the back of your
hand.
SPEAKER_02 (23:10):
Right.
And you know, somewhere alongthe line, you can even you can,
and we highly recommend this,you can customize it to your
needs, you know, and and andwhat feels right for you.
You know, right, write yourquarter calls, write your, you
know, write your invocations.
SPEAKER_00 (23:28):
Go for it.
Make it yours, practice it.
SPEAKER_02 (23:30):
Yeah, and practice it.
SPEAKER_00 (23:31):
Again, have this now had practice, practice.
Okay, and here's what I tellmost people when when we're
sitting there teaching my firstdegrees circle casting, the
expectation is that you can castcircle in under five minutes.
SPEAKER_02 (23:46):
Right, and it's not a race.
SPEAKER_00 (23:49):
It's not no, it's not a race, but the idea is you
you don't want to spend twohours on just casting circles.
SPEAKER_02 (23:56):
Right.
The idea is you want to minimizethe distractions, minimum
minimize the interruptions.
You want everything to flowsmoothly.
Right.
And when it flows smoothly, it'sgonna be time efficient.
SPEAKER_00 (24:11):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (24:12):
I mean, it's just the way it's gonna work.
You don't want, you know, atwo-hour prep time for for a 50%
ritual.
SPEAKER_00 (24:20):
That makes no sense because you know, at some point
the elementals are gonna belike, huh, I've been here for an
hour.
I'm bored.
We still ain't starting ritual.
Bye.
Peace out.
SPEAKER_02 (24:30):
You ain't even got a TV on.
I should have brought my headset.
SPEAKER_00 (24:40):
Now again, I I I know a lot of people aren't
gonna agree with us on a lot ofthis, but this is the way we do
it in our tradition.
The way y'all do it, y'all'sbusiness.
Just talking about this ingeneral.
SPEAKER_03 (24:51):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (24:52):
So, is there anything else about circles we
might want to talk about?
That's where we don'tnecessarily get into mysteries.
Uh I really do believe that thecircle allows us to bring our
energies up to the lowest levelsof the deity, while deity sort
(25:13):
of brings itself down to itslowest level to meet us.
And eventually we we we are ableto overlap the two worlds
slightly inside that circle.
SPEAKER_02 (25:25):
That's um I mean that's the whole idea between
basically the celestial spaceand the earthly space uh being
in the same plane.
SPEAKER_00 (25:38):
Right.
I mean, for the sake ofargument, you could say we're we
we believe we're s folding spacein on itself.
SPEAKER_03 (25:45):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (25:46):
But sort of like two different realms of space are
folding in on themselves so wecan sort of see each other and
communicate better.
SPEAKER_02 (25:55):
I was gonna say think of it more like more like
a pita pocket.
So when you're making a pita,you know, you're folding two
pieces of bread, right?
SPEAKER_00 (26:05):
Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_02 (26:06):
And then you've got this little pocket space in
between.
And if you squeeze the sides, itkind of creates a sphere.
I know, that's so simple.
SPEAKER_00 (26:16):
Yeah.
But uh, but again, again, youknow, hey, KISS method is always
a good thing, you know.
If you don't know what that is,that means keep it simple,
stupid.
All right.
Again, the more the morecomplicated we make this stuff,
the more out of our hands andcontrol we lose.
But if we keep it simple, it's alittle bit better.
SPEAKER_02 (26:39):
No, you because a lot of this add more elements,
you know, as you go.
Right.
But do it after you've gottenyour base casting down.
SPEAKER_00 (26:49):
Right.
But again, I mean, that's justlike quarter calls.
I I'm I'm I'm I'm sorry.
Doing these three pages quartercalls is freaking ridiculous to
me.
I they could be a little bitmore shorter and precise and
straight to the point and justmove on.
SPEAKER_02 (27:05):
I mean, some of them are beautiful.
It's it's definite poems.
SPEAKER_00 (27:08):
Some of them are.
SPEAKER_02 (27:09):
But you know, you don't you don't want an epic
poem for a quarter call.
No.
Well, at least we don't.
SPEAKER_00 (27:18):
No.
I I would not suggest to it.
Now, how now how would you tellpeople to tell if they are
casting the right circle forthem?
SPEAKER_02 (27:27):
You'll know.
But to trust your instincts,trust your gut.
SPEAKER_00 (27:32):
Well, I I'm gonna sit there and say, okay, if you
start getting weird stuffhappening in your home, mainly
that's focused around the placewhere you cast circle to begin
with, you know, electronicsstart messing up, electrical
systems don't quite work right.
Uh which we've all you know, nomatter you know, no matter how
(27:54):
many times you replace thebattery and the smoke detector
every after every ritual itseems to go dead.
Right.
These are signs that your circleis leaking energy.
SPEAKER_02 (28:05):
Right.
You need you need to make somemodifications.
SPEAKER_00 (28:08):
You need to make some modifications there and and
maybe meditate and try to figureout how to make it stronger in
and of itself, and or how to usethat agrarian field.
We did circle at our house forwhat five years?
SPEAKER_02 (28:25):
Um it was more like seven.
SPEAKER_00 (28:29):
Seven years.
And by the end of that sevenyears, casting circle was a
piece of cake with the agrarianfield there that we'd built up.
SPEAKER_02 (28:37):
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (28:38):
I mean, to the to the point to where a
well-trained second or thirddegree could stand in the middle
of a circle and not say anythingand literally raise a circle out
of nowhere, just using theagrarian field.
I'm not saying this is the bestuse of this.
The idea here is that you know,once you start casting circles,
(28:59):
the energy that's still leftthere is going to sort of know
what it did last time.
SPEAKER_02 (29:04):
Yeah, it's got a memory to it.
SPEAKER_00 (29:05):
And automatic.
Yeah, it's sort of got a memoryto it.
So it's gonna automaticallystart to do the same thing again
each time.
And yes, each time you leave alittle bit more energy behind,
and a little bit more energybehind.
And yes, they do become beaconsto other entities.
Why in the world you've got toput even more barriers and stuff
around houses?
(29:26):
Right.
All right, because again, you donot want this energy to leak out
into the neighbor's house.
SPEAKER_02 (29:31):
No.
Oh no, you don't want that atall.
That's gonna freak yourneighbors out.
SPEAKER_00 (29:37):
Now, what happens when you move?
You sell the house off, andyou're no longer gonna do there.
SPEAKER_02 (29:44):
Honey, you better take up every part of that field
that you can get.
SPEAKER_00 (29:48):
Well, again, we've already stated you can't always
get it all up.
That's how the agrarian fieldcreated to begin with.
SPEAKER_02 (29:54):
I said everything that you can get.
SPEAKER_00 (30:00):
And then after that, you sort of have to encourage it
to dissipate or to start takingdown those barriers in the house
so the energy can so it candissipate.
Which I would sit there and tellyou if you're if you're moving
and you've been doing ritual inyour house for 20 years, yeah
you might say, okay, we're goingto be moving in six months.
(30:20):
I need to start breaking thisstuff down now and leach it
because again, what happensafter you leave could create,
and you're not there to maintainthose barriers and you know, do
your regular cleansings andstuff like that to make sure
those barriers are still strongand there, and it could create
(30:43):
haunted houses.
SPEAKER_02 (30:45):
Yeah, it could to some extent.
It could, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (30:48):
You know, there's this there's this great entire
uh episode on from AnimalPlanet, where in the world a uh
a coven used to be in a house,and they lived and they moved
out, and a family moved in.
Yeah, and the dogs and the catskept on acting very bizarre, and
they contacted the old owners,and the old owners were like,
(31:10):
Well, this is where our templewas, this is where we did ritual
and all this.
And they were like, So maybe wedidn't dissipate all the energy
we should have, so they had tosort of come in and re bless and
try to thin that energy out justa tad bit more.
SPEAKER_02 (31:27):
Yeah, I love that episode.
SPEAKER_00 (31:30):
And I think it's funny because again, I remember
the lady like sending it to me.
It's like, oh, you gotta watchthis.
And she's like, Well, me and herboth are just sitting there
laughing, goes, Oh, oh, I knowwhat she's doing, I know what
he's doing.
Oh.
SPEAKER_02 (31:44):
Yep, because we had to do that when we moved.
SPEAKER_00 (31:48):
Oh, yeah.
You might want to have at leastan exit plan.
Even if you don't plan onmoving.
SPEAKER_02 (31:56):
Yeah, it's good to have that in your back pocket
because you never know.
SPEAKER_00 (31:59):
Right.
You never know.
And you never know when you'regonna get called to a house to
do a house blessing, and ithappened to be a house from a
former witch, and you're like,oh, hey, look, there's an
agrarian field right here.
Um, that might be your problem.
SPEAKER_02 (32:14):
Yeah, we're gonna have to get rid of that.
SPEAKER_00 (32:17):
All right.
I mean, again, one of theeasiest ways to do it is to find
one of them quartz crystals, setit in there, and energize it
enough to where in the world itwill start to try to pull in as
much of that agrarian field asyou can.
That way, when you go to yournew place, you can sort of take
that agrarian field, what alittle bit of that agrarian
(32:39):
field you can take with you tosort of kick off the next one.
SPEAKER_03 (32:42):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (32:43):
So, again, there's a piece of that energy we're gonna
be taking, but you you sort ofhave to go and get it through
this roundabout way.
So go figure.
Is there anything we'veforgotten about circles?
Lord.
We I don't know.
We've covered I mean, I knowthere's a bunch of stuff we
didn't talk about.
SPEAKER_02 (33:00):
I was gonna say we've covered so much, but
there's so much more we can'tcover.
SPEAKER_00 (33:07):
So, all right, I think I'm ready for some coffee.
SPEAKER_02 (33:10):
Yep, let's go get some.
SPEAKER_00 (33:13):
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SPEAKER_01 (33:38):
We travel down this trodden path, the maze of stone
and mire.
Just hold my hand as we pass bya steel blazing pyre.
And so it is the end of ourdays, to walk with me till
morning break.
(33:59):
And so it is the end of ourdays, to walk with me till
morning break.
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