June 18, 2025 • 26 mins
A casual Reddit post about a Viking necklace sparked a provocative question that reaches to the heart of modern pagan identity: Are group practices fundamentally at odds with pagan beliefs?
We explore the delicate balance between personal autonomy and community practice, unpacking why we think some pagans view organized groups with suspicion while others find them essential to their spiritual journey. Drawing from years of experience running a temple, we share candid insights about how covens actually function—dispelling the myth that joining a group means surrendering your spiritual independence.
The conversation takes unexpected turns as we examine how safety concerns in meeting new pagans sometimes get misinterpreted as controlling behavior and how it can deepen tensions about authority and authenticity in pagan spaces. Could some anti-group sentiment actually stem from jealousy or intimidation about the challenges of forming communities?
Throughout the episode, we emphasize that paganism's beauty lies in its diversity—whether practiced alone or in groups, each approach offers unique benefits without invalidating the other. The religious path, as we note, is like finding the right pair of shoes—what matters is finding what fits you personally.
Want to continue this conversation? We're eager to hear perspectives from solitary practitioners! Reach out to info@pagancoffeetalk.com and share your thoughts on this fundamental question about the nature of pagan practice.
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Speaker 1 (00:16):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
So you were trolling on.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Yes, I was trolling on Reddit.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
And what did you discover on Reddit?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Well, there was a lady who was at the bank, I
think she said she was at thebank, yeah, and someone had a
Viking symbol on her necklaceand she kind of mentioned it and
went through this wholeconversation and she was trying
to tell the lady, well, there'ssome groups that meet, and the
lady got kind of defensive andshe was like, well, that kind of
defeats the purpose.
(00:56):
I'm not going to have somebodytelling me how to worship or how
to do this or anything likethat.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Right, well, I believe you said her whole
argument was is that groups wereWere counter to pagan To pagan
beliefs?
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yes, are they?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Well, I guess it depends on the tradition.
I mean, most pagans I know arepretty much in groups.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I mean even solitaries.
I mean there's celebrationsthat happen throughout the year.
I don't know how in otherstates.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I don't think they actually consider that going to
the gathers and where they'rehaving the, but most of them
hold rituals.
Well, again, I don't think theyconsider themselves as part of
that group.
It's just like they're going tothe local church, whatever.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
No, but it's still a group event.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
And so if group events are counter to pagan
beliefs, why would you even goto that?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Well, isn't this the same argument where you have
certain Christians who do notcelebrate Christmas like
everybody else?
They just do the church?
They don't put up a tree, theydon't.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
I mean, is this not the same thing?
Speaker 1 (02:06):
no one no, because I'm still back to.
I guess I'm taking a little tooliteral right if you're telling
me that group events,regardless of what it is, but
the group event goes againstcore pagan beliefs.
Why would you even go andgather with a group of pagans?
For anything?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
You got me and again, if it's at the core of your
beliefs, okay, everybody got tounderstand in the pagan
community, the way we look atthis is I have my tradition, yes
, you have yours, yes, all right.
At no point do we ever assumeboth traditions are exactly
alike.
Right, we sit here and we talkabout Ravenwood.
(02:49):
We sit here and we talk aboutSouth Carolina.
Right, and some other places.
All these different places youhear us talk about are different
traditions.
They don't believe the same waywe do.
No, they don't believe the sameway we do.
No, they don't.
So this one person sittingthere going well, that's their
(03:11):
tradition, they're allowed tobelieve it.
I'm not going to knock them,but knocking those who gather is
just as bad.
You with me.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
I am.
I mean, I've never seen it oneway or the other.
Really, I don't think groupevents are core to our belief
and I don't think they goagainst our core beliefs.
If you want to go gather with agroup of pagans, then by all
means go gather with a group ofpagans.
(03:37):
Do whatever you want.
To Go frolic in the woods, Idon't care.
It's your path, it's everybodyelse's path.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Again, I've likened all this back to shoes.
Religions like shoes.
Everybody needs a pair.
You just got to find the rightpair that fits you.
Just got to find the rightreligion that fits you.
If you want to go off and be aScientologist, I'm not going to
stop you.
That's not what I'm here for noby all means go for it.
(04:08):
Go for it, because at no pointam I, because here's my with all
this, at no point the womanthat said that that thinks that
groups are actually againstpagan practices.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
I'm never going to be able to convince her of
anything else, nor would I trywell, I mean, you probably could
if she was willing, if she waswilling to sit down and have a
conversation about it, aboutthis.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
I wouldn't mind sitting down and having a
conversation.
Why do you?
Feel this way yeah, why do youfeel?
Speaker 1 (04:39):
what?
What makes you believe thatthat goes against your pagan
beliefs?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
I mean because, even though we're part of groups and
stuff like that, we still havethese private moments ourselves.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Right, we still have a degree of autonomy, right,
right.
And you know, even in our coven, we've never told anyone.
This is the only way that youcan believe.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Well, it's almost like some of these people have
it in their head that when youbecome part of a coven, you're
part of a cult.
You have to live and Right that.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
the coven dictates how you can believe what you can
do what you can't do.
Yeah, and that's not the way itworks.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
You know, yes, we do dictate what information we give
you at what speed.
Okay, now again you're.
You're getting the sameinformation that the person
before you did, and before thatand before, so it's not like the
information's changing, right?
So again, you're still goingthrough the same practice we all
went through, absolutely yeah,alright, so it's not like we're
(05:47):
getting one over on somebody.
No, and I think that's where alot of people start to think
about this in groups is thatthey're coming in because
they're starting on the bottom.
Somehow somebody's gettingsomething over on them.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
You know, that could be it.
I mean, I can see that aspectof it.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
I mean, especially in today's society, everybody has
that standalone syndrome.
Yeah, I mean I don't know howto explain that the where in the
world?
I'm just so.
And yes, you do have thempeople.
They go out, they look fortrouble, they look for problems.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Yeah, yeah, there's definitely those type of people.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
I mean I'll go ahead and say it yes, if you go out
looking for, if you go out andassume everything's going to be
homophobic, it is Right, youknow, if you expect everything
to be it is, you can findwhatever it is you're quote
unquote looking for anywhere.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
if you're looking for , it.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm not going to sit here
and say groups haven't us,groups haven't always made this
easy for ourselves over theyears.
I mean I've I've gotten myselfinto a couple of sticky
situations and didn't even meanto I think, well, I think that's
pretty common though right,well, like um, a member of our
(07:06):
temple was going through a roughpatch oh many years ago and was
talking to another group andthey were.
They were getting moral supportand some other stuff with some
stuff that she was going throughabsolutely no.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
No, and that's fine, because she knew those folks.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
She knew those folks and they invited her over.
Yeah, she wasn't going to go toa place by herself, even though
she asked everybody else intemple and everybody else was
busy.
She finally comes and asksshe's like okay, you're the last
person you want to go to.
Will you go with this event?
I really want to go meet them,but I don't want to go to a
stranger's house alone, right?
Speaker 1 (07:41):
so I oh, that's right , because she found them on a
form.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yeah, yeah.
And what happened afterwards?
What was the thing thathappened in the community after
I did this?
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Oh, you can't go anywhere without your priest.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
You can't go anywhere without your priest.
It's like no, that's not whathappened.
That's not what in the worldhappened, but yeah, that was
what was going on and I'msitting back going.
What are y'all talking about,right?
Oh, no, no, no.
You go to Life Temple, no, no,no.
Nights up your butt 24.
No, I'm not.
(08:15):
You meet strange people out onthe internet.
You do not go meet these peopleat their house by yourself.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Well, no, do not go meet these people at their house
by yourself.
Well, no, you, you want sometype of moral support, you want
some type of safety net.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
You want I mean, you want somebody with I would think
you would want somebody withyou for crying out loud, I mean,
and even during this time, thisis when everybody was going no,
no, you got to be careful withonline, because people aren't
always who they say they areright, and I still say that
today my point here.
This is what I'm talking aboutin the community.
How in the world did me tryingto do something nice for a
(08:48):
member of temple suddenly becomeme being a dictator?
Speaker 1 (08:51):
well, I think.
I think that goes back to thewhole question of the day.
It's, it's part of the grouppractice thing.
It's.
You know a lot of people likethis one lady in the uh, in the
reddit subreddit.
She thinks that that's peopletelling her what she can and
cannot do.
And I understand, I mean, evenwe don't want people telling us
(09:13):
what we can and can't do no it'sthat autonomy, it's that it's
that right, it's, it's yourfaith, it's your practice.
Whatever you want to call it,you should be able to do it
however you want to.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I mean, it's not like we threaten people or anything
like that.
Oh, absolutely not, you know.
I mean, yes, have we've had tokick people out of temple?
Yes, for making disturbancesand other things and stuff like
that for the cohesion of templeRight Cohesion and safety Of
temple.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
We've had to make some safety decisions, you know
but it's nothing necessarilyagainst that individual.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
No, are you with what I'm saying?
You know, you just don't seemto match up with us very well.
You might want to go findsomewhere else, right, it
happens.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Sure it does.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
I mean, it happens in churches all the time.
That's why, in the world, somepeople hop around to different
churches until they findsomething they like.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Well, I don't know if it's quite the same thing.
I don't know that I've everheard of anybody actually
getting kicked out of church.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Well no, I've never heard anybody get kicked out of
church.
I do remember where in theworld you know the community
inside the church would start tosnub certain people or whatever
, because and then they wouldeventually leave the church and
go somewhere Stuff like thathappens, sure it does.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Stuff like.
That's always going to happenwhen you have groups of people
together.
Well and that's kind of a tribementality type thing where if
you don't really fit in we'regonna make sure you don't stick
around yeah, you know, I don't,I don't, I don't see.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I've never seen covens quite do that.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
It's either it's either you're welcome or you're
not, right, I mean yeah, eithereither you feel comfortable or
you don't right well, and youknow, and if you're not welcome,
we don't beat around the bushabout it you know, you know, we
just, we just flat out tell youlook you might want to go look
somewhere else, because I don'tthink we're quite what you're
(11:17):
looking for I have interviewedpeople before about coming to
class and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I don't think we're matching with what you want.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Well, and you know and that's another thing Like we
were talking about meetingpeople that you haven't met.
When we meet with people, youknow, a lot of times we'll get
well, hey, can my husband or mywife or can my, you know, can my
best friend come with me?
Yeah, absolutely, we encouragethat because you're meeting
strange people that you've justtalked to over the email, right,
(11:45):
and even we like, when you go,I'll go with you or Lady Abba
will go with you.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Somebody goes with you, it's very rare when I go by
myself, right, all right therejust has to be no other choices.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
It's a safety issue, right.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
You know, because we even meet out in public.
We normally meet at a coffeeshop or somewhere like that.
Oh, absolutely All right,because, again, it's easy to sit
down and have a conversationwith somebody there, especially
if it's quiet, if it's one ofthem busy, noisy places.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Yeah, it's a little more challenging.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
It's a little bit more challenging, but you know
it's still a safety issue.
But I mean, does that mean yousuddenly don't trust them
because we do this?
I mean I'm still baffled overthe whole entire thing of how in
the world I became a dictatorjust because I went with.
(12:36):
That still blows my mind.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
You do still talk about that quite often.
I just it's a funny story.
I mean, funny thing is, is someof those people?
Quite often I just it's a funnystory.
I mean funny thing is, is someof those people you knew?
I know I knew all of them, we,we.
Okay, I didn't know you knewall of them, but I knew, I knew
that we knew at least some ofthose folks.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
And so.
Personally that even that evensurprised us even more that.
Yeah, that they would say ohwell, he's just a dictator, you
can't go anywhere without him.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
How do I keep on getting myself into these
situations?
Speaker 1 (13:20):
I don't know.
I think it's just.
I think it's the people weinteract with and how they, how
they take or perceive what it iswe say or do, or don't do, or,
yeah, you know, I mean becausewe and we, that we can't control
that.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Well, again, like we, we, we believe it takes a witch
to make a witch.
All right, that you have to beinitiated into, and you, we
don't believe in this.
But at no point am I going tosit there and tell someone who
believes that they shouldn't.
I just know I don't perceiveyou as a witch, but I'm not
going to sit there and tear myarm out and make you feel bad
(13:55):
because, well, you're not.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Right, I mean, I don't know how to explain that.
You know, if you want to use,that title.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
I can't stop you.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
I can't stop you.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
I have no authority, I have no power to stop you from
.
There's my point.
But yet people want to fightover that.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Well, again, it's something we don't have to agree
on, right?
We can agree to disagree onthat and just keep going.
You know, I know people whodon't even want to use the word
witch.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
They want to use Magus, or or something else,
because of all the connotationsbehind Right.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Well, well, and some people like like Jay Jay sees
witch as female Right.
He just he has that in his headand you know there's a lot of
people that feel that way.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Because of pop culture and the whole, because,
I mean, we don't like the wordwarlock.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Well, it could be any reason, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
I don't like using the word warlock to describe a
male witch, whatever, becauseit's an insult, right, but you
come up to me and you tell meyou're a warlock.
Yeah, I'm probably going to sitthere in my head going, all
right, here we go again, uh-huh.
But I'm not going to sit thereand, badger, are you with me?
(15:19):
I'm not going to set out tomake this person feel bad
because they want to callthemselves that.
Well, no, I mean that's theirchoice.
I mean, again, we could sitdown and have a conversation
about it, why that's theirchoice.
I mean, again, we could sitdown and have a conversation
about it, why I think it's thisand why they think it.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
That's fine, yeah, but the sad part is, most of the
time it's not going to go thatway.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
No, it always becomes an argument.
Instead, it always becomes.
You must believe the way Ibelieve.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
I'm back to it.
Doesn't matter what you want tocall yourself.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
I don't care, I don't care.
At the end of the day, itdoesn't matter.
At the end of the day, in themiddle of the night, with my
cold dead, With your cold blackheart.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter.
No, yeah, you know, the problemis.
The problem I see with that isis that we, as humans, we like
to put things in labels, we liketo label everything, like to
put things in boxes.
Sometimes I just feel like, canwe stop with all the labels
(16:20):
seriously, can't you know?
Well, I don't care what youcall this, you, you might call
it chamomile and I might call itcalla lily.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
No, no no, I got over this a long time ago because at
work I had to carry a phonewith me everywhere I went and it
only worked in the hospital.
Yeah, so every so often it washousekeeping.
This is you know and everybodywould pronounce my name wrong,
Even though I have the world'ssimplest name.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
It's just Joe, yeah, jay, jeff George, you know how
many times I walked into myboss's office going.
Apparently somebody named Jefftold this person to do this.
This sounds exactly like whatyou would say, but that's
because it was me.
Well, why didn't you tell themyour correct name?
That's what they heard, that'swhat in the world I tried to get
(17:09):
them to do, and they kept oncalling me that.
So I gave up.
Right Doesn't hurt my feelings.
Job got done, right.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Does it really matter ?
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Does it really matter If I'm not going to get upset
over my name being pronouncedwrong, right?
Why?
Because, trust me, I know Imispronounce people names all
the freaking time.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Oh yeah, well, you know, and I travel for work, so
I'm meeting new people all thetime and I I kid you not, I
worked at a place for ninemonths and it took me six months
to get two ladies names right,because I always mixed them up.
They never said a word to me.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
But yet, god forbid, I call somebody a witch or a
warlock, or Something that theydon't accept as a label.
Yeah, and I've done killedtheir cat, I know.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Again, it doesn't matter really.
And when it comes down to it,does it affect your practice?
Does it affect your belief?
Does it affect your faith?
If it doesn, your practice doesit affect your belief?
Does it affect your faith?
Speaker 2 (18:10):
no, I just if it doesn't, then it doesn't matter
I just think it's funny behaviorwe have in the pagan community
at large yeah, we sit there andtry to tell everybody hey, you
know what?
No, you can believe whatever inthe world, you won't, we won't
bother you, or anything likethat.
And then that same person turnsaround a year later going no,
no, you can't, you have to.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Well, the funny thing is is I'm actually starting,
especially in the Reddits andstuff that I follow, I'm
starting to see a little less ofthat.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Where people are finally coming around to.
Okay, it's not my beliefWhatever.
So I'm starting to see thatturn and that that kind of gives
me a little bit of hope in allof this that one day we might be
able to sit down and discussour differences.
Maybe that learn from eachother.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Maybe the community is maturing enough to go okay.
Well, maybe I don't have to beso angry about I think so.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
I mean, it's not that I don't see it.
There are still those times andthose arguments that happen.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
But I hate to ask this though Could part of the
problem be jealousy?
Of what?
Could some of these individualsactually just be jealous
because somebody did put a grouptogether and are actually doing
this?
Do you see what I'm saying?
I mean, I guess it could didput a group together and are
actually doing this, do you?
See what I'm saying in this.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
I mean, I guess it could.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
And they feel like they couldn't.
So you know, it's kind of like.
You know, remember when youwere a kid and you went to go
try to do a new sport orsomething and you weren't good
at it, you got mad at it andthen all of a sudden you just
started to just dog it everychance you got because you
weren't good at it dogged everychance you got because you
weren't good at it.
Yeah, I'm wondering if this ispart of that problem we see out
(19:54):
there in the community aboutthese people not liking groups,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I got to ask the question it could be.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
I mean honestly, when I sit down and think about it,
could I start a group?
No, there's no way I could.
That's not in me.
That's not something I enjoybeing a part of this group.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Yeah, but actually going out.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
And if this one didn't exist I would probably go
find another one, but actuallygoing out and starting, a group
especially knowing how to runone and what goes into it.
No, there's no way in hell.
All the paperwork no there's noway in hell I'm doing that.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Not from scratch.
No, you know, I don't even knowif this temple would be open if
Lord Manhattan done all thework and we just inherited a lot
of that.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I look at it this way I'm trying to keep my blood
pressure down.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
So I don't need that stress, Because when you go to
that paperwork there's hoopsupon hoops upon hoops.
There are, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Well, I mean, just look at the hoops we had to go
through to get our chartertransferred to the state.
I know, you know, to anotherstate.
So I mean well, not transferred.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
but recognized Right.
I mean, it's just it's a lot,it is, it's a lot, it is, it's a
lot.
Could there be a moment ofjealousy there?
That could be the problem.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
I suppose so, but let's face it, lordman didn't do
it by himself.
If you have that feeling thatyou're jealous because somebody
else started a group, get somefolks together that have similar
beliefs as you or same goals.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
From my understanding he went he went, all these
other groups.
You hear us talk about lord man.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
When he was making ours he went around, talked to
lady santana and lord lou and ohyeah and all these people and
got more information onabsolutely, and some of them
helped him do the paperwork, soI mean he didn't do it by
himself.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
You know, yes, it is a lot of hard work running a
group.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
It is a pain trying to get people.
Well, it can be.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Trying to get people to show up for ritual, getting
people to show up for classes,getting you know, just dealing
with everybody's life cycles andthe stuff that they have to do.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Sure, Is it worth it though?
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
I think so yes, it is Without hesitation.
It's worth it, but, like I said, I couldn't start one.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
No.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
I'll help maintain it and I'll help this one grow all
I can.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
But I'm not.
I mean, at the end of the day,no matter how pissed I might get
about things going on in Temple, as soon as one of them people
call oh, I know.
You're right there, I'm rightthere.
There was the other day.
You tried to call me and I wason the phone with one of them
and you're like, hold on, let me.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I know I kept calling and I kept calling and I was
like what in the world is goingon?
Speaker 2 (22:53):
He always answers the phone, yeah.
The only time he doesn't isthat, oh and then you sent me
that text.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
I'm on the phone with I'm like, oh, okay, that
explains it so it does happen,oh, absolutely and I don't mind,
I mean it's I actually enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
So, but it's nice to see a little bit more of the
hostilities toward groups maybestarting to go away.
I wish I would see a little bitmore.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
It's going to take time.
I mean, it's just that it'sgoing to take time.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
But I do not see groups or not groups to being
antithetical to paganism one wayor the other.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
No, I don't think that argument.
It's neither here nor there.
Right, is it beneficial?
Depends on who you talk to.
Right, is it counteractive?
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Depends on who you talk to.
Well, again, it's not like wedon't have those personal
moments throughout the day.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Oh sure.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Nobody's telling us what to do on that.
So I mean most groups and I'mgoing to put this out there most
groups.
All we're saying is when wecome together, this is the way
we're going to worship, right,here's how we're going to cast
circle, and we're all going tocast circle the same way.
That way, we're all on the same.
Now, if you're at home, youdon't have to cast circle the
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way we do in temple.
We're only doing this to keepeverybody on the same page.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Right it it.
It allows for us, it allowspeople to come together and and
be on the same ground aseverybody else.
Right, so that there's we'renot we're not mingling different
ways of doing something everysingle time.
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Right For us that works better.
Right, there's groups out therethat don't do that and it works
for them More power to you.
Right, I've been to some ofthose rituals.
Some of them are really nice.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
I've heard their quarter call.
Some of them have thesebeautiful two-page quarter calls
.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yeah, but that doesn't work for us as a group.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
As a group no.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Now, whatever people do on their own time, that has
nothing to do with what we do asa group.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
No.
So I'd like to see this alittle bit more.
You know, I'd like to have moreof a conversation.
Actually, if you are asolitaire and you want to have
this conversation with me, right, maybe reach out info at
pagancoffeetalkcom.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
send us an email.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Send us an email.
I mean I would like to debatebecause again we have this
problem on the podcast metalking to other members of
Temple we don't get the debatequite the way we want.
But, yeah, reach out to us All.
Right, I think I'm ready forsome coffee, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
So you were trolling on.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Yes, I was trolling on Reddit.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
And what did you discover on Reddit?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Well, there was a lady who was at the bank, I
think she said she was at thebank, yeah, and someone had a
Viking symbol on her necklaceand she kind of mentioned it and
went through this wholeconversation and she was trying
to tell the lady, well, there'ssome groups that meet, and the
lady got kind of defensive andshe was like, well, that kind of
defeats the purpose.
(00:56):
I'm not going to have somebodytelling me how to worship or how
to do this or anything likethat.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Right, well, I believe you said her whole
argument was is that groups wereWere counter to pagan To pagan
beliefs?
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yes, are they?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Well, I guess it depends on the tradition.
I mean, most pagans I know arepretty much in groups.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I mean even solitaries.
I mean there's celebrationsthat happen throughout the year.
I don't know how in otherstates.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I don't think they actually consider that going to
the gathers and where they'rehaving the, but most of them
hold rituals.
Well, again, I don't think theyconsider themselves as part of
that group.
It's just like they're going tothe local church, whatever.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
No, but it's still a group event.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
And so if group events are counter to pagan
beliefs, why would you even goto that?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Well, isn't this the same argument where you have
certain Christians who do notcelebrate Christmas like
everybody else?
They just do the church?
They don't put up a tree, theydon't.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
I mean, is this not the same thing?
Speaker 1 (02:06):
no one no, because I'm still back to.
I guess I'm taking a little tooliteral right if you're telling
me that group events,regardless of what it is, but
the group event goes againstcore pagan beliefs.
Why would you even go andgather with a group of pagans?
For anything?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
You got me and again, if it's at the core of your
beliefs, okay, everybody got tounderstand in the pagan
community, the way we look atthis is I have my tradition, yes
, you have yours, yes, all right.
At no point do we ever assumeboth traditions are exactly
alike.
Right, we sit here and we talkabout Ravenwood.
(02:49):
We sit here and we talk aboutSouth Carolina.
Right, and some other places.
All these different places youhear us talk about are different
traditions.
They don't believe the same waywe do.
No, they don't believe the sameway we do.
No, they don't.
So this one person sittingthere going well, that's their
(03:11):
tradition, they're allowed tobelieve it.
I'm not going to knock them,but knocking those who gather is
just as bad.
You with me.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
I am.
I mean, I've never seen it oneway or the other.
Really, I don't think groupevents are core to our belief
and I don't think they goagainst our core beliefs.
If you want to go gather with agroup of pagans, then by all
means go gather with a group ofpagans.
(03:37):
Do whatever you want.
To Go frolic in the woods, Idon't care.
It's your path, it's everybodyelse's path.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Again, I've likened all this back to shoes.
Religions like shoes.
Everybody needs a pair.
You just got to find the rightpair that fits you.
Just got to find the rightreligion that fits you.
If you want to go off and be aScientologist, I'm not going to
stop you.
That's not what I'm here for noby all means go for it.
(04:08):
Go for it, because at no pointam I, because here's my with all
this, at no point the womanthat said that that thinks that
groups are actually againstpagan practices.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
I'm never going to be able to convince her of
anything else, nor would I trywell, I mean, you probably could
if she was willing, if she waswilling to sit down and have a
conversation about it, aboutthis.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
I wouldn't mind sitting down and having a
conversation.
Why do you?
Feel this way yeah, why do youfeel?
Speaker 1 (04:39):
what?
What makes you believe thatthat goes against your pagan
beliefs?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
I mean because, even though we're part of groups and
stuff like that, we still havethese private moments ourselves.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Right, we still have a degree of autonomy, right,
right.
And you know, even in our coven, we've never told anyone.
This is the only way that youcan believe.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Well, it's almost like some of these people have
it in their head that when youbecome part of a coven, you're
part of a cult.
You have to live and Right that.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
the coven dictates how you can believe what you can
do what you can't do.
Yeah, and that's not the way itworks.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
You know, yes, we do dictate what information we give
you at what speed.
Okay, now again you're.
You're getting the sameinformation that the person
before you did, and before thatand before, so it's not like the
information's changing, right?
So again, you're still goingthrough the same practice we all
went through, absolutely yeah,alright, so it's not like we're
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getting one over on somebody.
No, and I think that's where alot of people start to think
about this in groups is thatthey're coming in because
they're starting on the bottom.
Somehow somebody's gettingsomething over on them.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
You know, that could be it.
I mean, I can see that aspectof it.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
I mean, especially in today's society, everybody has
that standalone syndrome.
Yeah, I mean I don't know howto explain that the where in the
world?
I'm just so.
And yes, you do have thempeople.
They go out, they look fortrouble, they look for problems.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Yeah, yeah, there's definitely those type of people.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
I mean I'll go ahead and say it yes, if you go out
looking for, if you go out andassume everything's going to be
homophobic, it is Right, youknow, if you expect everything
to be it is, you can findwhatever it is you're quote
unquote looking for anywhere.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
if you're looking for , it.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm not going to sit here
and say groups haven't us,groups haven't always made this
easy for ourselves over theyears.
I mean I've I've gotten myselfinto a couple of sticky
situations and didn't even meanto I think, well, I think that's
pretty common though right,well, like um, a member of our
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temple was going through a roughpatch oh many years ago and was
talking to another group andthey were.
They were getting moral supportand some other stuff with some
stuff that she was going throughabsolutely no.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
No, and that's fine, because she knew those folks.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
She knew those folks and they invited her over.
Yeah, she wasn't going to go toa place by herself, even though
she asked everybody else intemple and everybody else was
busy.
She finally comes and asksshe's like okay, you're the last
person you want to go to.
Will you go with this event?
I really want to go meet them,but I don't want to go to a
stranger's house alone, right?
Speaker 1 (07:41):
so I oh, that's right , because she found them on a
form.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yeah, yeah.
And what happened afterwards?
What was the thing thathappened in the community after
I did this?
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Oh, you can't go anywhere without your priest.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
You can't go anywhere without your priest.
It's like no, that's not whathappened.
That's not what in the worldhappened, but yeah, that was
what was going on and I'msitting back going.
What are y'all talking about,right?
Oh, no, no, no.
You go to Life Temple, no, no,no.
Nights up your butt 24.
No, I'm not.
(08:15):
You meet strange people out onthe internet.
You do not go meet these peopleat their house by yourself.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Well, no, do not go meet these people at their house
by yourself.
Well, no, you, you want sometype of moral support, you want
some type of safety net.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
You want I mean, you want somebody with I would think
you would want somebody withyou for crying out loud, I mean,
and even during this time, thisis when everybody was going no,
no, you got to be careful withonline, because people aren't
always who they say they areright, and I still say that
today my point here.
This is what I'm talking aboutin the community.
How in the world did me tryingto do something nice for a
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member of temple suddenly becomeme being a dictator?
Speaker 1 (08:51):
well, I think.
I think that goes back to thewhole question of the day.
It's, it's part of the grouppractice thing.
It's.
You know a lot of people likethis one lady in the uh, in the
reddit subreddit.
She thinks that that's peopletelling her what she can and
cannot do.
And I understand, I mean, evenwe don't want people telling us
(09:13):
what we can and can't do no it'sthat autonomy, it's that it's
that right, it's, it's yourfaith, it's your practice.
Whatever you want to call it,you should be able to do it
however you want to.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I mean, it's not like we threaten people or anything
like that.
Oh, absolutely not, you know.
I mean, yes, have we've had tokick people out of temple?
Yes, for making disturbancesand other things and stuff like
that for the cohesion of templeRight Cohesion and safety Of
temple.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
We've had to make some safety decisions, you know
but it's nothing necessarilyagainst that individual.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
No, are you with what I'm saying?
You know, you just don't seemto match up with us very well.
You might want to go findsomewhere else, right, it
happens.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Sure it does.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
I mean, it happens in churches all the time.
That's why, in the world, somepeople hop around to different
churches until they findsomething they like.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Well, I don't know if it's quite the same thing.
I don't know that I've everheard of anybody actually
getting kicked out of church.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Well no, I've never heard anybody get kicked out of
church.
I do remember where in theworld you know the community
inside the church would start tosnub certain people or whatever
, because and then they wouldeventually leave the church and
go somewhere Stuff like thathappens, sure it does.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Stuff like.
That's always going to happenwhen you have groups of people
together.
Well and that's kind of a tribementality type thing where if
you don't really fit in we'regonna make sure you don't stick
around yeah, you know, I don't,I don't, I don't see.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I've never seen covens quite do that.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
It's either it's either you're welcome or you're
not, right, I mean yeah, eithereither you feel comfortable or
you don't right well, and youknow, and if you're not welcome,
we don't beat around the bushabout it you know, you know, we
just, we just flat out tell youlook you might want to go look
somewhere else, because I don'tthink we're quite what you're
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looking for I have interviewedpeople before about coming to
class and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I don't think we're matching with what you want.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Well, and you know and that's another thing Like we
were talking about meetingpeople that you haven't met.
When we meet with people, youknow, a lot of times we'll get
well, hey, can my husband or mywife or can my, you know, can my
best friend come with me?
Yeah, absolutely, we encouragethat because you're meeting
strange people that you've justtalked to over the email, right,
(11:45):
and even we like, when you go,I'll go with you or Lady Abba
will go with you.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Somebody goes with you, it's very rare when I go by
myself, right, all right therejust has to be no other choices.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
It's a safety issue, right.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
You know, because we even meet out in public.
We normally meet at a coffeeshop or somewhere like that.
Oh, absolutely All right,because, again, it's easy to sit
down and have a conversationwith somebody there, especially
if it's quiet, if it's one ofthem busy, noisy places.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Yeah, it's a little more challenging.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
It's a little bit more challenging, but you know
it's still a safety issue.
But I mean, does that mean yousuddenly don't trust them
because we do this?
I mean I'm still baffled overthe whole entire thing of how in
the world I became a dictatorjust because I went with.
(12:36):
That still blows my mind.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
You do still talk about that quite often.
I just it's a funny story.
I mean, funny thing is, is someof those people?
Quite often I just it's a funnystory.
I mean funny thing is, is someof those people you knew?
I know I knew all of them, we,we.
Okay, I didn't know you knewall of them, but I knew, I knew
that we knew at least some ofthose folks.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
And so.
Personally that even that evensurprised us even more that.
Yeah, that they would say ohwell, he's just a dictator, you
can't go anywhere without him.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
How do I keep on getting myself into these
situations?
Speaker 1 (13:20):
I don't know.
I think it's just.
I think it's the people weinteract with and how they, how
they take or perceive what it iswe say or do, or don't do, or,
yeah, you know, I mean becausewe and we, that we can't control
that.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Well, again, like we, we, we believe it takes a witch
to make a witch.
All right, that you have to beinitiated into, and you, we
don't believe in this.
But at no point am I going tosit there and tell someone who
believes that they shouldn't.
I just know I don't perceiveyou as a witch, but I'm not
going to sit there and tear myarm out and make you feel bad
(13:55):
because, well, you're not.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Right, I mean, I don't know how to explain that.
You know, if you want to use,that title.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
I can't stop you.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
I can't stop you.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
I have no authority, I have no power to stop you from
.
There's my point.
But yet people want to fightover that.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Well, again, it's something we don't have to agree
on, right?
We can agree to disagree onthat and just keep going.
You know, I know people whodon't even want to use the word
witch.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
They want to use Magus, or or something else,
because of all the connotationsbehind Right.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Well, well, and some people like like Jay Jay sees
witch as female Right.
He just he has that in his headand you know there's a lot of
people that feel that way.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Because of pop culture and the whole, because,
I mean, we don't like the wordwarlock.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Well, it could be any reason, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
I don't like using the word warlock to describe a
male witch, whatever, becauseit's an insult, right, but you
come up to me and you tell meyou're a warlock.
Yeah, I'm probably going to sitthere in my head going, all
right, here we go again, uh-huh.
But I'm not going to sit thereand, badger, are you with me?
(15:19):
I'm not going to set out tomake this person feel bad
because they want to callthemselves that.
Well, no, I mean that's theirchoice.
I mean, again, we could sitdown and have a conversation
about it, why that's theirchoice.
I mean, again, we could sitdown and have a conversation
about it, why I think it's thisand why they think it.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
That's fine, yeah, but the sad part is, most of the
time it's not going to go thatway.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
No, it always becomes an argument.
Instead, it always becomes.
You must believe the way Ibelieve.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
I'm back to it.
Doesn't matter what you want tocall yourself.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
I don't care, I don't care.
At the end of the day, itdoesn't matter.
At the end of the day, in themiddle of the night, with my
cold dead, With your cold blackheart.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter.
No, yeah, you know, the problemis.
The problem I see with that isis that we, as humans, we like
to put things in labels, we liketo label everything, like to
put things in boxes.
Sometimes I just feel like, canwe stop with all the labels
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seriously, can't you know?
Well, I don't care what youcall this, you, you might call
it chamomile and I might call itcalla lily.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
No, no no, I got over this a long time ago because at
work I had to carry a phonewith me everywhere I went and it
only worked in the hospital.
Yeah, so every so often it washousekeeping.
This is you know and everybodywould pronounce my name wrong,
Even though I have the world'ssimplest name.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
It's just Joe, yeah, jay, jeff George, you know how
many times I walked into myboss's office going.
Apparently somebody named Jefftold this person to do this.
This sounds exactly like whatyou would say, but that's
because it was me.
Well, why didn't you tell themyour correct name?
That's what they heard, that'swhat in the world I tried to get
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them to do, and they kept oncalling me that.
So I gave up.
Right Doesn't hurt my feelings.
Job got done, right.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Does it really matter ?
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Does it really matter If I'm not going to get upset
over my name being pronouncedwrong, right?
Why?
Because, trust me, I know Imispronounce people names all
the freaking time.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Oh yeah, well, you know, and I travel for work, so
I'm meeting new people all thetime and I I kid you not, I
worked at a place for ninemonths and it took me six months
to get two ladies names right,because I always mixed them up.
They never said a word to me.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
But yet, god forbid, I call somebody a witch or a
warlock, or Something that theydon't accept as a label.
Yeah, and I've done killedtheir cat, I know.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Again, it doesn't matter really.
And when it comes down to it,does it affect your practice?
Does it affect your belief?
Does it affect your faith?
If it doesn, your practice doesit affect your belief?
Does it affect your faith?
Speaker 2 (18:10):
no, I just if it doesn't, then it doesn't matter
I just think it's funny behaviorwe have in the pagan community
at large yeah, we sit there andtry to tell everybody hey, you
know what?
No, you can believe whatever inthe world, you won't, we won't
bother you, or anything likethat.
And then that same person turnsaround a year later going no,
no, you can't, you have to.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Well, the funny thing is is I'm actually starting,
especially in the Reddits andstuff that I follow, I'm
starting to see a little less ofthat.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Where people are finally coming around to.
Okay, it's not my beliefWhatever.
So I'm starting to see thatturn and that that kind of gives
me a little bit of hope in allof this that one day we might be
able to sit down and discussour differences.
Maybe that learn from eachother.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Maybe the community is maturing enough to go okay.
Well, maybe I don't have to beso angry about I think so.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
I mean, it's not that I don't see it.
There are still those times andthose arguments that happen.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
But I hate to ask this though Could part of the
problem be jealousy?
Of what?
Could some of these individualsactually just be jealous
because somebody did put a grouptogether and are actually doing
this?
Do you see what I'm saying?
I mean, I guess it could didput a group together and are
actually doing this, do you?
See what I'm saying in this.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
I mean, I guess it could.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
And they feel like they couldn't.
So you know, it's kind of like.
You know, remember when youwere a kid and you went to go
try to do a new sport orsomething and you weren't good
at it, you got mad at it andthen all of a sudden you just
started to just dog it everychance you got because you
weren't good at it dogged everychance you got because you
weren't good at it.
Yeah, I'm wondering if this ispart of that problem we see out
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there in the community aboutthese people not liking groups,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I got to ask the question it could be.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
I mean honestly, when I sit down and think about it,
could I start a group?
No, there's no way I could.
That's not in me.
That's not something I enjoybeing a part of this group.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Yeah, but actually going out.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
And if this one didn't exist I would probably go
find another one, but actuallygoing out and starting, a group
especially knowing how to runone and what goes into it.
No, there's no way in hell.
All the paperwork no there's noway in hell I'm doing that.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Not from scratch.
No, you know, I don't even knowif this temple would be open if
Lord Manhattan done all thework and we just inherited a lot
of that.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I look at it this way I'm trying to keep my blood
pressure down.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
So I don't need that stress, Because when you go to
that paperwork there's hoopsupon hoops upon hoops.
There are, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Well, I mean, just look at the hoops we had to go
through to get our chartertransferred to the state.
I know, you know, to anotherstate.
So I mean well, not transferred.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
but recognized Right.
I mean, it's just it's a lot,it is, it's a lot, it is, it's a
lot.
Could there be a moment ofjealousy there?
That could be the problem.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
I suppose so, but let's face it, lordman didn't do
it by himself.
If you have that feeling thatyou're jealous because somebody
else started a group, get somefolks together that have similar
beliefs as you or same goals.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
From my understanding he went he went, all these
other groups.
You hear us talk about lord man.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
When he was making ours he went around, talked to
lady santana and lord lou and ohyeah and all these people and
got more information onabsolutely, and some of them
helped him do the paperwork, soI mean he didn't do it by
himself.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
You know, yes, it is a lot of hard work running a
group.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
It is a pain trying to get people.
Well, it can be.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Trying to get people to show up for ritual, getting
people to show up for classes,getting you know, just dealing
with everybody's life cycles andthe stuff that they have to do.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Sure, Is it worth it though?
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
I think so yes, it is Without hesitation.
It's worth it, but, like I said, I couldn't start one.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
No.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
I'll help maintain it and I'll help this one grow all
I can.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
But I'm not.
I mean, at the end of the day,no matter how pissed I might get
about things going on in Temple, as soon as one of them people
call oh, I know.
You're right there, I'm rightthere.
There was the other day.
You tried to call me and I wason the phone with one of them
and you're like, hold on, let me.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I know I kept calling and I kept calling and I was
like what in the world is goingon?
Speaker 2 (22:53):
He always answers the phone, yeah.
The only time he doesn't isthat, oh and then you sent me
that text.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
I'm on the phone with I'm like, oh, okay, that
explains it so it does happen,oh, absolutely and I don't mind,
I mean it's I actually enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
So, but it's nice to see a little bit more of the
hostilities toward groups maybestarting to go away.
I wish I would see a little bitmore.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
It's going to take time.
I mean, it's just that it'sgoing to take time.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
But I do not see groups or not groups to being
antithetical to paganism one wayor the other.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
No, I don't think that argument.
It's neither here nor there.
Right, is it beneficial?
Depends on who you talk to.
Right, is it counteractive?
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Depends on who you talk to.
Well, again, it's not like wedon't have those personal
moments throughout the day.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Oh sure.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Nobody's telling us what to do on that.
So I mean most groups and I'mgoing to put this out there most
groups.
All we're saying is when wecome together, this is the way
we're going to worship, right,here's how we're going to cast
circle, and we're all going tocast circle the same way.
That way, we're all on the same.
Now, if you're at home, youdon't have to cast circle the
(24:18):
way we do in temple.
We're only doing this to keepeverybody on the same page.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Right it it.
It allows for us, it allowspeople to come together and and
be on the same ground aseverybody else.
Right, so that there's we'renot we're not mingling different
ways of doing something everysingle time.
(24:42):
Right For us that works better.
Right, there's groups out therethat don't do that and it works
for them More power to you.
Right, I've been to some ofthose rituals.
Some of them are really nice.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
I've heard their quarter call.
Some of them have thesebeautiful two-page quarter calls
.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yeah, but that doesn't work for us as a group.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
As a group no.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Now, whatever people do on their own time, that has
nothing to do with what we do asa group.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
No.
So I'd like to see this alittle bit more.
You know, I'd like to have moreof a conversation.
Actually, if you are asolitaire and you want to have
this conversation with me, right, maybe reach out info at
pagancoffeetalkcom.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
send us an email.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Send us an email.
I mean I would like to debatebecause again we have this
problem on the podcast metalking to other members of
Temple we don't get the debatequite the way we want.
But, yeah, reach out to us All.
Right, I think I'm ready forsome coffee, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Thanks for listening.
Join us next week for anotherepisode.
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Please visit us atlifetempleseminaryorg for more
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Speaker 3 (26:02):
We travel down this trodden path, the maze of stone
and mire.
Just hold my hand as we pass bya sea of blazing pyres.
I see your blazing pyres, andso it is the end of our day so
(26:23):
walk with me till morning breaks.
And so it is the end of our dayso walk with me till morning
breaks.
Thank you.
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