March 19, 2025 • 34 mins
Ever wondered why that gut feeling of yours is so often right? Our latest deep dive explores intuition—that mysterious inner knowing that seems to operate beyond rational thought. We explore how modern life creates thick layers of mental static that drown out our natural intuitive abilities. Unlike our younger selves who responded instinctively to hunger, fatigue, or danger without hesitation, adults tend to second-guess these signals, analyzing them into oblivion.
For those struggling to access their intuition, we offer a sobering but hopeful perspective: our addiction to constant stimulation through social media and technology has severely hampered our ability to sit quietly with our thoughts, the very environment where intuition thrives. Creating regular periods of silence and stillness may be the most powerful first step toward reclaiming this essential aspect of your spiritual practice.
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Speaker 1 (00:17):
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Speaker 3 (00:29):
We're actively trying to coax Lord Oswin to join us
in this discussion and he's it'shis day off.
I say leave him alone.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
It's his day off.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Let the man have his day off.
It's bad enough.
He's got to sit here and listento us yammer.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
So, my lady, yes, let's talk about intuition.
Okay, let's.
What is it?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Your gut.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Well, the way I think of it is, let's, hmm, I see it
like no, no, no's, it's like aradio signal, okay, and so I see
it as like a, like a, like aradio signal or a radio
broadcast.
But the idea is you have totune into it, you have to fine
(01:18):
tune to it.
It's the, it's the unfilteredraw thoughts, emotions, beliefs
in your head when all the othernoise and all the other static
is gone.
But it's very hard to tune intothat channel for some people.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Yeah, yeah, Thank you .
Speaker 3 (01:47):
How do you, how do you see it?
Or I mean, am I on track?
Speaker 4 (01:51):
there for you too, your own track.
Yeah, it's, it's.
It's like that split second ofthe honest truth of yourself and
everything around you justcomes through.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Yeah, and it's weird because as children, we don't
think about it at all.
No, it's.
In a way, instinct can be veryanimalistic.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Well, I think you're right.
It's kind of like those kidswho just say what's ever on
their mind.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
To some extent, but I also see it like action.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
An infant, a toddler, right, just a child.
They know when they're hungry,they know when they're thirsty,
they know what their basic needsare.
They may not be able to provideit for themselves, right.
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They may not be able to provideit for themselves, right but
they will yield to those needs.
First and foremost, we talkabout, like you know, adults
being hangry, or you know how weget.
We don't get enough sleep andthen we get irritable, or you
know all of these things, andit's like, well, have you ever
watched a toddler?
Like they can be in the middleof doing something and they just
go.
It's nap time and they're out.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
You know, instinct takes over.
They're not fighting theirnatural urge anymore, they're
just going.
Yep, time to sleep.
I don't care that I'm on thefloor, this is what's happening
right now.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
I don't care that I'm in the floor.
This is what's happening rightnow.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
I don't care that I'm in the middle of eating.
Yeah, intuition is a weirdthing, because I feel like
modern society does nothing buttry to keep us away from it and
then we have to learn it Allover again, kind of.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
So what's some ways we can learn this?
Speaker 3 (03:51):
You know, I spent a lot of time with this in
different ways with differentstudents in different
environments, and so much ofwhat I see is overthinking,
overanalyzing, over consideringright, the brain just trying to
do too many things and juggletoo much all at once and take
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into consideration too manythings that are unnecessary,
because that's again that's whatwe're taught to do.
Unnecessary, because that'sagain that's what we're taught
to do.
You know, everything is aboutexpectation and it's about other
people's beliefs and societyand culture and right.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
And then there's that split second where you have
that fear.
Could I be wrong?
Speaker 3 (04:39):
That's what I mean.
When you strip all of that away, you get to the core being.
So it's almost like you know ifyou've, if you're 30 years old
and you've lived 30 years on theplanet, you have 30 years of
accumulated garbage that is notyour own.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Right.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
The thoughts underneath all that garbage are
your intuition.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Basically.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Mm-hmm, and I mean this is why meditation is so
helpful.
This is why that's such anessential practice, because it
teaches us to tune in to thatvoice more and to connect with
that voice more and those innerbeliefs.
I see so much of it.
I see so much of it in so manyways.
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People just constantly secondguessing themselves and not
trusting themselves, and there'ssomething kind of ironic about
that, right, because it's kindof like you can't
physiologically right, you can'tself-suffocate.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
No.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
It's not possible.
You can't do it.
You can't hold your breathRight Until you stop breathing,
because your body won't let youRight.
It's going to force you Again.
Intuition is kind of the samething.
Now there are some people whowill tell you right that their
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intuition is wired wrong.
They're like I.
You know, I can't listen to myintuition because my intuition
tells me to do the wrong thing.
And this can be you.
This can be people who dealwith addiction.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Right.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
You know.
But that's not entirely true,because the addiction is not
their intuition.
The addiction is what hasrewired their brain.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Right.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
And the addiction then is so prominent it's always
in front of their intuition.
It's it's like it's blocking it, right.
There's a very common type ofuh spell work that you hear a
lot about in in pagan circles,called an uncrossing.
(07:00):
Yes, right, uncrossing,unblocking, untying, you know
same thing.
Right, it's what it is.
It's to get down beneath onemore layer, right.
What's in your way?
What's the barrier, what's thething that's standing between
you and what you really need orwant or think?
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Now, the only way I've ever seen to even begin to
attempt to teach someone how todo that is through divination.
I sit there and explain to you.
I'm going to turn a card over.
I just want you to say thefirst word that comes out of
your mouth and forget aboutwrong or right.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Because it's always easier to do for somebody else.
It's ironic, it is.
It's always easier to do forsomebody else.
It's ironic, it is, it's alwayseasier.
Intuition we can tap into ourown intuition by helping someone
else.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Because, again.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
it's like if I turn the card over for you and I go,
here's the first thing that popsinto my head, right, because
it's not for me.
It's easier for me to be securein saying that and in trusting
what comes to mind.
But if it was for myself, or ifit was directed inward?
Speaker 4 (08:15):
I know where you're going.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Yeah, we would second guess it 700 times.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
No, no, no.
How about this?
Throw the cards across the roombecause you've doubted yourself
twice now no-transcript.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Get their shit together than it is to get your
own shit together.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Does that mean, every professional housekeeper out
there really has junky houses?
Speaker 3 (09:06):
I mean, I'm not going to lie, man.
You know, I feel like this isthe irony to that question.
Their houses are clean, butthey're always cluttered, you
know.
Because they're alwayscluttered, you know because
they're just like, ah, screw it,I'll put it away tomorrow, Like
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they don't, you know?
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
It's kind of like the chef that comes home and goes
no, we'll just do linguine.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Yeah, exactly Like let's just heat up a frozen
burrito.
You know, like it's so funny,the mechanic who's you know car
is literally falling apart and,you know, has one wheel and no
power steering and yeah, that'salways how it is.
So an intuition is funny too,because even parents, right,
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parents, try, I think.
I think now more than ever theytry to get their kids to really
connect with that, you know, iswhat do you?
You know, trust yourself, Right, but it is, it's easier said
than done.
Okay, so divination, so we canplay the first thing that pops
(10:14):
into your head game, you know,which is also sort of the
spiritual equivalent of theRorschach test.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
You know, let's be honest, right.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Right.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
But we're trying to get beyond just the picture.
We're talking.
We divine, intuitively Right,it's this, it's all the senses.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Mm-hmm.
It's not just what do I see,it's what do I hear, what?
It's not just what do I see,it's what do I hear.
What do I taste, what do I feel.
You know all of it.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
It's sort of like something else takes over, but
you're taking over it at thesame time.
It's really a confusing feeling.
It's ethereal.
There's no hard edges.
No, it's a little like beinghigh.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
You're sort of not even sure if there are edges I
mean me personally, but I'll askyou have you ever met a psychic
or a medium that doesn't comeoff as a little, you know a
little, and kind of flighty andlike, oh, they might walk into
that wall, we should steer them,you, you know like, yeah, they
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always seem a bit space cadet-y.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
I'm surprised more haven't walked into open fires.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
I think they have handlers for that, if they're
that good anyway.
You know, it really is a bit ofan out-of-body experience, out
of self, and some people are outof self and some people are
terrified of that.
Yes, and that's where theresistance comes a lot of times.
It took me a long time to learnhow to do that, because I don't
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like to give up my control.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
No, no, most people don't, no, most people don't.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
And so it's a fight for me just to clear everything
away enough that I can get tothat place, because I mean for
so long I was like no, no, no,no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
I want to keep it, I want tohold it.
It's hard, and it's even 10times worse when you're not in a
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known space.
I don't know how else to saythat.
Yeah well, because if you areagain, if you're doing like an
intuitive reading for someoneelse, you are entering their
space right you are entering athird party's space through that
person.
It's their doorways.
They're like, and you like Idon't know where I am now.
Cool, let's see what's here.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
We only got lost once .
Speaker 3 (13:13):
It's.
It's creepy, but it's creepyand it's.
It can be unsettling and peopleare afraid of it, but I but I
think the irony of it is a lotof that fear stems from bullshit
.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Maybe pop culture.
Speaking of pop culture, whatabout these stories?
We hear about some mom gettinga funny feeling and five minutes
later find out that daughterwas in an accident.
Or is this a form of intuition?
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Yes, but I've always believed in that my whole life.
I mean, yeah, I think there areall sorts of ways that we are
connected to the other people inour lives, both living and
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deceased, and there is alwayscommunication.
We're always receiving messages.
We're always sending messages.
Again, I go back to the radiosignal.
We're broadcasting, whether wethink we are or not.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
I think that's where most people have a problem.
I think they think at somepoint or they forget that this
is happening even while they'reat work doing their accounting.
It's like this doesn't juststop.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
No, I mean, it has been proven right.
We are little mini batteriesand we give off electrical
impulse, so there is more to itthan just a feeling that you get
.
You are in fact alwaysreceiving and giving a sort of
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input.
Now, again, I want to take thespooky out of it, I want to take
the supernatural out of it.
Yeah, that's the part that bugsme.
I think people get freaked outabout intuition because they
think, oh God, I'm openingmyself up to something Right,
something, something couldhappen, something like, and it's
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, it's all like horror moviefolklore they think you get what
I mean.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
Like they think right , it's kind of like they watch
the ouija board movies one toomany times right, and like, okay
, I'm like the ouija board is agreat example, because people
don't realize that that isexactly what the Ouija board is
supposed to be it's an intuitive.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
It's an intuitive tool, right of these beliefs
that have come about that you'regoing to let something in or
you're not going to be able tocontrol it, or it's going to
stay with you if you don'tfollow this pattern of behavior
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or whatever it's going to andand look the ouija boards.
Okay, spirit boards, becauseOuija is an invention of you
know, a board game company.
Right, spirit boards?
Yeah, don't get me wrong,they're not.
They're not a toy, they're notto be messed with.
But the intuition piece of likesitting down with another witch
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or anyone for that matterreally, just, you know someone
who's interested in working onintuitive practices back and
forth does not open a doorway orto anything other than a
stronger friendship andconnection with the other person
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.
That's all.
It is People who are very intune to one another.
This is where you see, you hearabout people going.
I'm thinking of a number whatnumber am I thinking of, right?
Or what color?
Or you know, like a, like theflashcard game where you know
there's a picture of a sailboatand the other person has to get
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gas.
That's what we're talking about, right, and it does.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
But these kinds of bonds, well, they're not
mysterious, no, or in therethey're very common.
They're not special, no,they're very common, they are
super common.
This is what people get mad atme when I say this they're not
special, no, they're very commonthey are super common.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
This is what people get mad at me when I say this.
They're not special.
So I have a, I have a superclose friend and he still, he
still to this day, he tells thisstory, okay anecdotally,
because he sees it as the bondright, he sees it as, like, this
is how I knew she was my bestfriend and I just sit there and
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go, oh God, anyway, we were atwork one day together and we're,
he and I, are very talkativewhen we work together and we
banter back and forth a lot andwe're just kind of silly and
we're goofy.
And anyway, one day we'resitting at our desks
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respectively and I just wentaruba, that was it.
I just said the word aruba, Ijust blurted out aruba.
And he goes what did you justsay aruba?
And he goes come here, on hiscomputer screen was a picture of
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a beach in Aruba.
And he goes how the hell?
And I just went.
I just shrugged my shoulders.
Now, internally I'm laughingbecause I'm like, yeah, you ding
dong, we spend eight hours aday together, right, we go to
lunch together, we spend timewith each other outside of work.
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We've become really closefriends, like, yeah, I'm seeing
what you're seeing you.
You were broadcasting a signalstrong enough that you sent me a
rhubarb, but this happens.
This happens all the time.
There's no difference betweenthat and when you're sitting
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down right with a family memberor again, a close friend, and
you both blurt out the samething at the same time in
reaction to something else orgod forbid.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
You mentioned the other one.
Hey, I happen to be cravingright me too, yeah no, that's
but people love to see right?
Speaker 3 (19:54):
we love to see.
But people love to see right.
We love to see patterns.
We love to see the.
The coincidence or the?
It's not coincidence.
We do this all the time.
One way or another, we areinfluencing the people around us
.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
In very subtle ways.
I mean, we're gettinginfluenced.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
And sometimes not so subtle.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
God forbid no.
I love the people, especiallyif chocolate's involved.
Oh God, seriously.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
We're coffee.
I love the people who studymentalism and the minute body
language stuff.
Right, because they can.
They can pick up.
They pick up on so many thingsand to the average person it
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looks like oh, it's psychic, isit?
Or is it a trained eye?
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Or is that, or do you still consider this a form of
intuition?
I mean, because there was that,what was that whole show psych,
where that was the premise ofthe show was.
The guy wasn't actually psychic, he was just very observant.
So what's the difference?
Is there a difference?
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Ooh, Hmm, To me it's training and it's discipline.
I think in the TV show Psychright, they wanted us to believe
that he was just very giftedwith these observational skills.
Yeah, In real life nobody isthat gifted.
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We have to work on that.
Not nobody, but very few people.
It is a trained behavior.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
It's something you learn.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
You learn how to be that observant, you learn how to
predict other people, I meanand there is a lot to this in
terms of our brains and howinterestingly they work Like
there are whole and this is whatmentalists do.
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This is a form of magicianry,right, right, mentalists.
Will you know when you see alarge audience and a mentalist
does that whole thing, wherethey're like?
I'm thinking of a number?
Large audience and a mentalistdoes that whole thing.
Where they're like, I'mthinking of a number.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Right, there's actually a science to this, but
there's like that guy that willstand out there on the street
corner and he'll take off yourtie or something while doing
something else to you, and then,at the end of it, show you how
much stuff he took off of you.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Yeah, but that's, that's sleight of hand.
I'm talking about strictly themental stuff.
The mental stuff is literallylike they will put a number.
You know they'll write a numberdown on a piece of paper and
then you know it's the numberthat you had in your head, but
there's a formula to it, to it,and so there's a lot of ways in
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which this stuff works.
Like again, I think proximityis so interesting.
Like for a parent, if you'vegot a kid who's constantly got
the sniffles and has a runnynose, if you hear that kid sniff
from across the room and youcome into the room with a box of
tissues and hand them one, youlook psychic Not really.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Nope.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Right.
You have trained yourself to bevery attuned to the needs of
someone else, and that's oftenwhat happens in families and,
again, close-knit situations.
But not everybody is great atthat.
Some people are very, very,very, very self-absorbed and
they never learn those behaviors.
They never venture beyond that.
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Ironically, it's the person whois incredibly self-absorbed
that has the hardest time withintuition.
You would think it would be theopposite.
You would think it somehowcreates a barrier.
I don't even profess tounderstand it, but somebody
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who's very selfish,self-absorbed, right yeah, they
have a really hard time.
Instead of it being intuitive,it's more like if we're talking
about divination, if we'retalking about tarot right.
It's.
It's more like wishful thinkingin terms of the cards they pull
(24:36):
Right.
It's not really an intuitivereading.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Yeah, no Matter of fact, the most people I've seen
that do that are just whateverdefinition came out of the book.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Mm-hmm.
There's a lot to be said, too,about Well, there's a lot of
rule-breaking when it comes tointuitive anything.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
Right.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Right, right.
There are whole practitionerswho use tarot and have never
read a single definition of asingle card.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
They use them their own way.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Yep.
I know several of them.
I've trained several of them.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Yep, they don't give two shits about what that card
is supposed to be.
They're using it in their ownfashion, for their own practice,
and that's totally fine.
I see no issue with that.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Matter of fact, I encourage it myself.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Yeah, I do too.
I get.
I mean, I think that studyingthe cards, to some extent I get
it especially.
I think there are.
I don't want to call themtrigger.
Trigger is the wrong word.
I was going to say trigger card, but that's not it.
There are some cards that holdsignificance to the reader,
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right?
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Some of the meanings do, yes, in a broader sense, in
a more of a broader sense than aspecific.
So knowing the more broader isnot always a bad thing.
Right understanding that thedeath card really represents
change not necessarily of course, of course.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
But I feel like some, you know like there there's
people who might pull, you know,a nine of wands and it has a
very heavy, very significantmeaning to them.
As the reader, I might pull thenine of wands and just go.
Nine of wands doesn't hold thatdeep a place for me you know
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what?
I'm saying that's all it is.
So that's part of it.
It's making the practice yourown.
Um, I also feel like intuitivereaders are not.
They're not, they're not veryelaborate, like with the spreads
and things you know most, mostlike, I'm a big fan of the three
card the past, present, future,bam, future, bam, bam bam.
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Because to me, if we're tryingto be intuitive, the more time
you spend with it, the more youoverthink it.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
Right.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
It doesn't get better , it actually gets worse.
So quick tends to be moreeffective.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
Where I'm a little bit different.
I like the celtic spread, theceltic cross spread, more than I
like the three cards.
I will do a three card.
I mean, I ain't you know, I'mnot gonna like run from the room
.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
I find that funny because you have to hold that
place of what I'm going to callemptiness Right Longer.
Yes, yeah, to do a full spreadlike that.
It's not that it's impossible,it's just it's a lot of
discipline.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
It's just.
I think it's just what I gotused to doing.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
It's what I started with and it's what I'm always.
That's fair.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Yeah, you know now, be careful, don't fall into that
trap.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
No, no, no but there's so many.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Keep moving your spouse around.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
There's so many ways of doing that right Of like.
There's even things likeintuitive drawing, intuitive
writing, I mean.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Oh the auto writing.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
There's ways to tap in to what the hell is really
going on underneath all theexternal.
It's a lot.
It's a lot and I think you knowso much of it again comes down
to modern man is at adisadvantage in some of these
ways.
It's worse now.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
I mean we don't get to use our intuition on a daily
basis like they used to.
Oh, there's a tiger there.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
I also think, like you know, the bombardment of
information we are, oh my god, Imean social media alone.
I can't, I don't evenunderstand Right.
It's input, input, input, input, input.
We're constantly.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
No, no, it was that way during the first 24 hour
news cycle thing we went intoback in the day.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
And it's only accelerated since then.
It's not only input, input,input, input.
It's constantly changing right,what it is, the message, the
video, the thing.
It's changing so rapidly.
You know, we look at TikTok.
It's like how are we going totrain those kids to quiet their
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minds enough one day when theywant to, when they go?
I want to learn how to readcards.
Oh okay, how do we turn offinput, input, input, input and
start going broadcast when theyhave no means or no concept of
how to do it?
Speaker 4 (29:53):
Well, how do we do it If we can't just rip the phone
out from their hands and go?
You can not have it back forlike five months.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
But that's what I'm saying.
There's no quiet time, there'sno this.
This is where I think paganparenting has to take a
different approach, if these arethe skills you want to teach
your kids later.
Because if your child cannotfunction for five, 10, 15, 20
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minutes, a half an hour insilence, with only their own
thoughts, hmm, hmm, how are theyever going to learn to be
intuitive?
Speaker 4 (30:34):
How are they ever going to learn to meditate?
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Yeah, yeah, which is that's what I mean, mean it's a
huge part of it.
I mean I I do find it reallyinteresting now that, like, we
don't send kids to the corneranymore.
Right, it used to be, that wastime out.
Time outs are not a thinganymore okay, so so intuitive,
and we're meditation.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
we know helps all right now for those who sit
there and go, but I can'tmeditate.
Do you actually believe this?
No, why not?
No?
Speaker 3 (31:05):
and this is part of what I think the problem is.
I know so many people, adultsincluded, that are just
incapable of sitting in thenothing.
From the minute they wake up tothe second they go to sleep.
Their brains are bombardedconstantly by noise, sound,
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images, because they cannot bealone with their own thoughts.
And I'm still very much in theother camp of like, if somebody
turns a TV on within fiveminutes of me waking, they're
probably getting a remotecontrol thrown at their head
Because I can't.
I'm like no, leave me with mythoughts for a moment.
(31:53):
I can't.
Yet I need a minute.
Let me have my cup of coffee.
It's funny because the samepeople, if you get them out of
doors, if you get them, you know, right into a very scenic
nature setting, what do they do?
They sit there in silence andthey go oh, it's so peaceful
here.
It's just as peaceful in yourbackyard.
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And they look jittery as hell.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
It's just as peaceful in your backyard, but you don't
do this because they're wantingto check their phone, but they
don't have a signal way out herebut no, but they are more
likely to be inspired or to bein awe of nature in that moment,
which I think is great.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
But I'm again of that mindset of why did you have to
leave to achieve that?
True, you could do this anytime, anywhere.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
So that's where it gets tough.
You have to take those moments.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Mm-hmm.
Intuition is about seeing thedivine in the ordinary and
connecting to it in the ordinary.
It's not waiting for somespectacular thing to happen.
It's not how our lives work.
Speaking of which, I see morecoffee in my future all right, I
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Speaker 3 (00:29):
We're actively trying to coax Lord Oswin to join us
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Speaker 2 (00:38):
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Speaker 3 (00:39):
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It's bad enough.
He's got to sit here and listento us yammer.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
So, my lady, yes, let's talk about intuition.
Okay, let's.
What is it?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Your gut.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Well, the way I think of it is, let's, hmm, I see it
like no, no, no's, it's like aradio signal, okay, and so I see
it as like a, like a, like aradio signal or a radio
broadcast.
But the idea is you have totune into it, you have to fine
(01:18):
tune to it.
It's the, it's the unfilteredraw thoughts, emotions, beliefs
in your head when all the othernoise and all the other static
is gone.
But it's very hard to tune intothat channel for some people.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Yeah, yeah, Thank you .
Speaker 3 (01:47):
How do you, how do you see it?
Or I mean, am I on track?
Speaker 4 (01:51):
there for you too, your own track.
Yeah, it's, it's.
It's like that split second ofthe honest truth of yourself and
everything around you justcomes through.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Yeah, and it's weird because as children, we don't
think about it at all.
No, it's.
In a way, instinct can be veryanimalistic.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Well, I think you're right.
It's kind of like those kidswho just say what's ever on
their mind.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
To some extent, but I also see it like action.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
An infant, a toddler, right, just a child.
They know when they're hungry,they know when they're thirsty,
they know what their basic needsare.
They may not be able to provideit for themselves, right.
(02:51):
They may not be able to provideit for themselves, right but
they will yield to those needs.
First and foremost, we talkabout, like you know, adults
being hangry, or you know how weget.
We don't get enough sleep andthen we get irritable, or you
know all of these things, andit's like, well, have you ever
watched a toddler?
Like they can be in the middleof doing something and they just
go.
It's nap time and they're out.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
You know, instinct takes over.
They're not fighting theirnatural urge anymore, they're
just going.
Yep, time to sleep.
I don't care that I'm on thefloor, this is what's happening
right now.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
I don't care that I'm in the floor.
This is what's happening rightnow.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
I don't care that I'm in the middle of eating.
Yeah, intuition is a weirdthing, because I feel like
modern society does nothing buttry to keep us away from it and
then we have to learn it Allover again, kind of.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
So what's some ways we can learn this?
Speaker 3 (03:51):
You know, I spent a lot of time with this in
different ways with differentstudents in different
environments, and so much ofwhat I see is overthinking,
overanalyzing, over consideringright, the brain just trying to
do too many things and juggletoo much all at once and take
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into consideration too manythings that are unnecessary,
because that's again that's whatwe're taught to do.
Unnecessary, because that'sagain that's what we're taught
to do.
You know, everything is aboutexpectation and it's about other
people's beliefs and societyand culture and right.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
And then there's that split second where you have
that fear.
Could I be wrong?
Speaker 3 (04:39):
That's what I mean.
When you strip all of that away, you get to the core being.
So it's almost like you know ifyou've, if you're 30 years old
and you've lived 30 years on theplanet, you have 30 years of
accumulated garbage that is notyour own.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Right.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
The thoughts underneath all that garbage are
your intuition.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Basically.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Mm-hmm, and I mean this is why meditation is so
helpful.
This is why that's such anessential practice, because it
teaches us to tune in to thatvoice more and to connect with
that voice more and those innerbeliefs.
I see so much of it.
I see so much of it in so manyways.
(05:29):
People just constantly secondguessing themselves and not
trusting themselves, and there'ssomething kind of ironic about
that, right, because it's kindof like you can't
physiologically right, you can'tself-suffocate.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
No.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
It's not possible.
You can't do it.
You can't hold your breathRight Until you stop breathing,
because your body won't let youRight.
It's going to force you Again.
Intuition is kind of the samething.
Now there are some people whowill tell you right that their
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intuition is wired wrong.
They're like I.
You know, I can't listen to myintuition because my intuition
tells me to do the wrong thing.
And this can be you.
This can be people who dealwith addiction.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Right.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
You know.
But that's not entirely true,because the addiction is not
their intuition.
The addiction is what hasrewired their brain.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Right.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
And the addiction then is so prominent it's always
in front of their intuition.
It's it's like it's blocking it, right.
There's a very common type ofuh spell work that you hear a
lot about in in pagan circles,called an uncrossing.
(07:00):
Yes, right, uncrossing,unblocking, untying, you know
same thing.
Right, it's what it is.
It's to get down beneath onemore layer, right.
What's in your way?
What's the barrier, what's thething that's standing between
you and what you really need orwant or think?
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Now, the only way I've ever seen to even begin to
attempt to teach someone how todo that is through divination.
I sit there and explain to you.
I'm going to turn a card over.
I just want you to say thefirst word that comes out of
your mouth and forget aboutwrong or right.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Because it's always easier to do for somebody else.
It's ironic, it is.
It's always easier to do forsomebody else.
It's ironic, it is, it's alwayseasier.
Intuition we can tap into ourown intuition by helping someone
else.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Because, again.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
it's like if I turn the card over for you and I go,
here's the first thing that popsinto my head, right, because
it's not for me.
It's easier for me to be securein saying that and in trusting
what comes to mind.
But if it was for myself, or ifit was directed inward?
Speaker 4 (08:15):
I know where you're going.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Yeah, we would second guess it 700 times.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
No, no, no.
How about this?
Throw the cards across the roombecause you've doubted yourself
twice now no-transcript.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Get their shit together than it is to get your
own shit together.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Does that mean, every professional housekeeper out
there really has junky houses?
Speaker 3 (09:06):
I mean, I'm not going to lie, man.
You know, I feel like this isthe irony to that question.
Their houses are clean, butthey're always cluttered, you
know.
Because they're alwayscluttered, you know because
they're just like, ah, screw it,I'll put it away tomorrow, Like
(09:27):
they don't, you know?
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
It's kind of like the chef that comes home and goes
no, we'll just do linguine.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Yeah, exactly Like let's just heat up a frozen
burrito.
You know, like it's so funny,the mechanic who's you know car
is literally falling apart and,you know, has one wheel and no
power steering and yeah, that'salways how it is.
So an intuition is funny too,because even parents, right,
(09:54):
parents, try, I think.
I think now more than ever theytry to get their kids to really
connect with that, you know, iswhat do you?
You know, trust yourself, Right, but it is, it's easier said
than done.
Okay, so divination, so we canplay the first thing that pops
(10:14):
into your head game, you know,which is also sort of the
spiritual equivalent of theRorschach test.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
You know, let's be honest, right.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Right.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
But we're trying to get beyond just the picture.
We're talking.
We divine, intuitively Right,it's this, it's all the senses.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Mm-hmm.
It's not just what do I see,it's what do I hear, what?
It's not just what do I see,it's what do I hear.
What do I taste, what do I feel.
You know all of it.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
It's sort of like something else takes over, but
you're taking over it at thesame time.
It's really a confusing feeling.
It's ethereal.
There's no hard edges.
No, it's a little like beinghigh.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
You're sort of not even sure if there are edges I
mean me personally, but I'll askyou have you ever met a psychic
or a medium that doesn't comeoff as a little, you know a
little, and kind of flighty andlike, oh, they might walk into
that wall, we should steer them,you, you know like, yeah, they
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always seem a bit space cadet-y.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
I'm surprised more haven't walked into open fires.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
I think they have handlers for that, if they're
that good anyway.
You know, it really is a bit ofan out-of-body experience, out
of self, and some people are outof self and some people are
terrified of that.
Yes, and that's where theresistance comes a lot of times.
It took me a long time to learnhow to do that, because I don't
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like to give up my control.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
No, no, most people don't, no, most people don't.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
And so it's a fight for me just to clear everything
away enough that I can get tothat place, because I mean for
so long I was like no, no, no,no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
I want to keep it, I want tohold it.
It's hard, and it's even 10times worse when you're not in a
(12:47):
known space.
I don't know how else to saythat.
Yeah well, because if you areagain, if you're doing like an
intuitive reading for someoneelse, you are entering their
space right you are entering athird party's space through that
person.
It's their doorways.
They're like, and you like Idon't know where I am now.
Cool, let's see what's here.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
We only got lost once .
Speaker 3 (13:13):
It's.
It's creepy, but it's creepyand it's.
It can be unsettling and peopleare afraid of it, but I but I
think the irony of it is a lotof that fear stems from bullshit
.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Maybe pop culture.
Speaking of pop culture, whatabout these stories?
We hear about some mom gettinga funny feeling and five minutes
later find out that daughterwas in an accident.
Or is this a form of intuition?
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Yes, but I've always believed in that my whole life.
I mean, yeah, I think there areall sorts of ways that we are
connected to the other people inour lives, both living and
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deceased, and there is alwayscommunication.
We're always receiving messages.
We're always sending messages.
Again, I go back to the radiosignal.
We're broadcasting, whether wethink we are or not.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
I think that's where most people have a problem.
I think they think at somepoint or they forget that this
is happening even while they'reat work doing their accounting.
It's like this doesn't juststop.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
No, I mean, it has been proven right.
We are little mini batteriesand we give off electrical
impulse, so there is more to itthan just a feeling that you get
.
You are in fact alwaysreceiving and giving a sort of
(15:00):
input.
Now, again, I want to take thespooky out of it, I want to take
the supernatural out of it.
Yeah, that's the part that bugsme.
I think people get freaked outabout intuition because they
think, oh God, I'm openingmyself up to something Right,
something, something couldhappen, something like, and it's
(15:22):
, it's all like horror moviefolklore they think you get what
I mean.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
Like they think right , it's kind of like they watch
the ouija board movies one toomany times right, and like, okay
, I'm like the ouija board is agreat example, because people
don't realize that that isexactly what the Ouija board is
supposed to be it's an intuitive.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
It's an intuitive tool, right of these beliefs
that have come about that you'regoing to let something in or
you're not going to be able tocontrol it, or it's going to
stay with you if you don'tfollow this pattern of behavior
(16:11):
or whatever it's going to andand look the ouija boards.
Okay, spirit boards, becauseOuija is an invention of you
know, a board game company.
Right, spirit boards?
Yeah, don't get me wrong,they're not.
They're not a toy, they're notto be messed with.
But the intuition piece of likesitting down with another witch
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or anyone for that matterreally, just, you know someone
who's interested in working onintuitive practices back and
forth does not open a doorway orto anything other than a
stronger friendship andconnection with the other person
(17:00):
.
That's all.
It is People who are very intune to one another.
This is where you see, you hearabout people going.
I'm thinking of a number whatnumber am I thinking of, right?
Or what color?
Or you know, like a, like theflashcard game where you know
there's a picture of a sailboatand the other person has to get
(17:21):
gas.
That's what we're talking about, right, and it does.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
But these kinds of bonds, well, they're not
mysterious, no, or in therethey're very common.
They're not special, no,they're very common, they are
super common.
This is what people get mad atme when I say this they're not
special, no, they're very commonthey are super common.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
This is what people get mad at me when I say this.
They're not special.
So I have a, I have a superclose friend and he still, he
still to this day, he tells thisstory, okay anecdotally,
because he sees it as the bondright, he sees it as, like, this
is how I knew she was my bestfriend and I just sit there and
(18:04):
go, oh God, anyway, we were atwork one day together and we're,
he and I, are very talkativewhen we work together and we
banter back and forth a lot andwe're just kind of silly and
we're goofy.
And anyway, one day we'resitting at our desks
(18:26):
respectively and I just wentaruba, that was it.
I just said the word aruba, Ijust blurted out aruba.
And he goes what did you justsay aruba?
And he goes come here, on hiscomputer screen was a picture of
(18:49):
a beach in Aruba.
And he goes how the hell?
And I just went.
I just shrugged my shoulders.
Now, internally I'm laughingbecause I'm like, yeah, you ding
dong, we spend eight hours aday together, right, we go to
lunch together, we spend timewith each other outside of work.
(19:13):
We've become really closefriends, like, yeah, I'm seeing
what you're seeing you.
You were broadcasting a signalstrong enough that you sent me a
rhubarb, but this happens.
This happens all the time.
There's no difference betweenthat and when you're sitting
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down right with a family memberor again, a close friend, and
you both blurt out the samething at the same time in
reaction to something else orgod forbid.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
You mentioned the other one.
Hey, I happen to be cravingright me too, yeah no, that's
but people love to see right?
Speaker 3 (19:54):
we love to see.
But people love to see right.
We love to see patterns.
We love to see the.
The coincidence or the?
It's not coincidence.
We do this all the time.
One way or another, we areinfluencing the people around us
.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
In very subtle ways.
I mean, we're gettinginfluenced.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
And sometimes not so subtle.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
God forbid no.
I love the people, especiallyif chocolate's involved.
Oh God, seriously.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
We're coffee.
I love the people who studymentalism and the minute body
language stuff.
Right, because they can.
They can pick up.
They pick up on so many thingsand to the average person it
(20:50):
looks like oh, it's psychic, isit?
Or is it a trained eye?
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Or is that, or do you still consider this a form of
intuition?
I mean, because there was that,what was that whole show psych,
where that was the premise ofthe show was.
The guy wasn't actually psychic, he was just very observant.
So what's the difference?
Is there a difference?
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Ooh, Hmm, To me it's training and it's discipline.
I think in the TV show Psychright, they wanted us to believe
that he was just very giftedwith these observational skills.
Yeah, In real life nobody isthat gifted.
(21:38):
We have to work on that.
Not nobody, but very few people.
It is a trained behavior.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
It's something you learn.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
You learn how to be that observant, you learn how to
predict other people, I meanand there is a lot to this in
terms of our brains and howinterestingly they work Like
there are whole and this is whatmentalists do.
(22:07):
This is a form of magicianry,right, right, mentalists.
Will you know when you see alarge audience and a mentalist
does that whole thing, wherethey're like?
I'm thinking of a number?
Large audience and a mentalistdoes that whole thing.
Where they're like, I'mthinking of a number.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Right, there's actually a science to this, but
there's like that guy that willstand out there on the street
corner and he'll take off yourtie or something while doing
something else to you, and then,at the end of it, show you how
much stuff he took off of you.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Yeah, but that's, that's sleight of hand.
I'm talking about strictly themental stuff.
The mental stuff is literallylike they will put a number.
You know they'll write a numberdown on a piece of paper and
then you know it's the numberthat you had in your head, but
there's a formula to it, to it,and so there's a lot of ways in
(23:03):
which this stuff works.
Like again, I think proximityis so interesting.
Like for a parent, if you'vegot a kid who's constantly got
the sniffles and has a runnynose, if you hear that kid sniff
from across the room and youcome into the room with a box of
tissues and hand them one, youlook psychic Not really.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Nope.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Right.
You have trained yourself to bevery attuned to the needs of
someone else, and that's oftenwhat happens in families and,
again, close-knit situations.
But not everybody is great atthat.
Some people are very, very,very, very self-absorbed and
they never learn those behaviors.
They never venture beyond that.
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Ironically, it's the person whois incredibly self-absorbed
that has the hardest time withintuition.
You would think it would be theopposite.
You would think it somehowcreates a barrier.
I don't even profess tounderstand it, but somebody
(24:15):
who's very selfish,self-absorbed, right yeah, they
have a really hard time.
Instead of it being intuitive,it's more like if we're talking
about divination, if we'retalking about tarot right.
It's.
It's more like wishful thinkingin terms of the cards they pull
(24:36):
Right.
It's not really an intuitivereading.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Yeah, no Matter of fact, the most people I've seen
that do that are just whateverdefinition came out of the book.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Mm-hmm.
There's a lot to be said, too,about Well, there's a lot of
rule-breaking when it comes tointuitive anything.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
Right.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Right, right.
There are whole practitionerswho use tarot and have never
read a single definition of asingle card.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
They use them their own way.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Yep.
I know several of them.
I've trained several of them.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Yep, they don't give two shits about what that card
is supposed to be.
They're using it in their ownfashion, for their own practice,
and that's totally fine.
I see no issue with that.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Matter of fact, I encourage it myself.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Yeah, I do too.
I get.
I mean, I think that studyingthe cards, to some extent I get
it especially.
I think there are.
I don't want to call themtrigger.
Trigger is the wrong word.
I was going to say trigger card, but that's not it.
There are some cards that holdsignificance to the reader,
(25:57):
right?
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Some of the meanings do, yes, in a broader sense, in
a more of a broader sense than aspecific.
So knowing the more broader isnot always a bad thing.
Right understanding that thedeath card really represents
change not necessarily of course, of course.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
But I feel like some, you know like there there's
people who might pull, you know,a nine of wands and it has a
very heavy, very significantmeaning to them.
As the reader, I might pull thenine of wands and just go.
Nine of wands doesn't hold thatdeep a place for me you know
(26:37):
what?
I'm saying that's all it is.
So that's part of it.
It's making the practice yourown.
Um, I also feel like intuitivereaders are not.
They're not, they're not veryelaborate, like with the spreads
and things you know most, mostlike, I'm a big fan of the three
card the past, present, future,bam, future, bam, bam bam.
(26:58):
Because to me, if we're tryingto be intuitive, the more time
you spend with it, the more youoverthink it.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
Right.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
It doesn't get better , it actually gets worse.
So quick tends to be moreeffective.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
Where I'm a little bit different.
I like the celtic spread, theceltic cross spread, more than I
like the three cards.
I will do a three card.
I mean, I ain't you know, I'mnot gonna like run from the room
.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
I find that funny because you have to hold that
place of what I'm going to callemptiness Right Longer.
Yes, yeah, to do a full spreadlike that.
It's not that it's impossible,it's just it's a lot of
discipline.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
It's just.
I think it's just what I gotused to doing.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
It's what I started with and it's what I'm always.
That's fair.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Yeah, you know now, be careful, don't fall into that
trap.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
No, no, no but there's so many.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Keep moving your spouse around.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
There's so many ways of doing that right Of like.
There's even things likeintuitive drawing, intuitive
writing, I mean.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Oh the auto writing.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
There's ways to tap in to what the hell is really
going on underneath all theexternal.
It's a lot.
It's a lot and I think you knowso much of it again comes down
to modern man is at adisadvantage in some of these
ways.
It's worse now.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
I mean we don't get to use our intuition on a daily
basis like they used to.
Oh, there's a tiger there.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
I also think, like you know, the bombardment of
information we are, oh my god, Imean social media alone.
I can't, I don't evenunderstand Right.
It's input, input, input, input, input.
We're constantly.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
No, no, it was that way during the first 24 hour
news cycle thing we went intoback in the day.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
And it's only accelerated since then.
It's not only input, input,input, input.
It's constantly changing right,what it is, the message, the
video, the thing.
It's changing so rapidly.
You know, we look at TikTok.
It's like how are we going totrain those kids to quiet their
(29:32):
minds enough one day when theywant to, when they go?
I want to learn how to readcards.
Oh okay, how do we turn offinput, input, input, input and
start going broadcast when theyhave no means or no concept of
how to do it?
Speaker 4 (29:53):
Well, how do we do it If we can't just rip the phone
out from their hands and go?
You can not have it back forlike five months.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
But that's what I'm saying.
There's no quiet time, there'sno this.
This is where I think paganparenting has to take a
different approach, if these arethe skills you want to teach
your kids later.
Because if your child cannotfunction for five, 10, 15, 20
(30:21):
minutes, a half an hour insilence, with only their own
thoughts, hmm, hmm, how are theyever going to learn to be
intuitive?
Speaker 4 (30:34):
How are they ever going to learn to meditate?
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Yeah, yeah, which is that's what I mean, mean it's a
huge part of it.
I mean I I do find it reallyinteresting now that, like, we
don't send kids to the corneranymore.
Right, it used to be, that wastime out.
Time outs are not a thinganymore okay, so so intuitive,
and we're meditation.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
we know helps all right now for those who sit
there and go, but I can'tmeditate.
Do you actually believe this?
No, why not?
No?
Speaker 3 (31:05):
and this is part of what I think the problem is.
I know so many people, adultsincluded, that are just
incapable of sitting in thenothing.
From the minute they wake up tothe second they go to sleep.
Their brains are bombardedconstantly by noise, sound,
(31:33):
images, because they cannot bealone with their own thoughts.
And I'm still very much in theother camp of like, if somebody
turns a TV on within fiveminutes of me waking, they're
probably getting a remotecontrol thrown at their head
Because I can't.
I'm like no, leave me with mythoughts for a moment.
(31:53):
I can't.
Yet I need a minute.
Let me have my cup of coffee.
It's funny because the samepeople, if you get them out of
doors, if you get them, you know, right into a very scenic
nature setting, what do they do?
They sit there in silence andthey go oh, it's so peaceful
here.
It's just as peaceful in yourbackyard.
(32:16):
And they look jittery as hell.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
It's just as peaceful in your backyard, but you don't
do this because they're wantingto check their phone, but they
don't have a signal way out herebut no, but they are more
likely to be inspired or to bein awe of nature in that moment,
which I think is great.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
But I'm again of that mindset of why did you have to
leave to achieve that?
True, you could do this anytime, anywhere.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
So that's where it gets tough.
You have to take those moments.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Mm-hmm.
Intuition is about seeing thedivine in the ordinary and
connecting to it in the ordinary.
It's not waiting for somespectacular thing to happen.
It's not how our lives work.
Speaking of which, I see morecoffee in my future all right, I
(33:16):
agree with you.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Thanks for listening.
Join us next week for anotherepisode.
Pagan Coffee Talk is brought toyou by Life Temple and Seminary
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Speaker 2 (33:27):
Please visit us at lifetempelseminaryorg for more
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We travel down this troddenpath, the maze of stone and mire
.
Just hold my hand as we pass bya sea of blazing pyres.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
And so it is the end of our day so walk with me till
morning breaks.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
And so it is the end of our day.
So walk with me till morning.
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