July 30, 2025 • 30 mins
Have you ever wondered if there's something fundamentally wrong with our world today? In this thought-provoking episode of Pagan Coffee Talk, we tackle this question head-on, revealing that the issue isn't with Earth itself, but with humanity and our increasingly distorted perceptions.
We dive deep into what some might call a "crisis of ego" sweeping across society. Through candid conversation, we explore how digital communication has created a dangerous disconnect between people. When we interact through screens rather than face-to-face, we lose the essential energy exchange that makes us truly human. Even video calls fail to bridge this gap completely, leaving us increasingly isolated despite being more connected than ever before, amplifying our worst tendencies. Everyone believes their opinion matters most and must be heard, leading to heightened emotions and diminished capacity for civil disagreement.
Perhaps most importantly, we discuss how growth requires discomfort—a reality many people actively avoid. From difficult conversations with children to engaging with challenging perspectives, our collective unwillingness to experience discomfort has stunted our development as individuals and as a society. The solution begins with recognizing our shared humanity and focusing on what unites us rather than what divides us.
Join us for this enlightening discussion that challenges conventional wisdom and offers a pagan perspective on humanity's most pressing challenges.
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Speaker 1 (00:17):
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Speaker 3 (00:46):
Hey, neera, I've got a question for you.
What's that?
What's wrong with the world?
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Of itself, there's nothingwrong with it.
There's nothing wrong with thetrees, nothing wrong with the
grass, nothing wrong with theair, nothing wrong with the
rivers, the oceans what about?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
what about global warming?
Is that wrong, or is that it's?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
accelerated by man, the world goes through the earth
itself goes through cycles.
That goes through cycles.
We went through an ice age.
Wasn't very many people aroundfor that?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
actually we're to some extent we are still going
through a slight yeah sage,because the poles are still
covered in ice.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
So that technically is a.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Kind of I mean just in the extreme parts of the
world, yeah, there's still ice.
Like we went to Alaska one time, there are still icebergs
around.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
There are still glaciers icebergs there's.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
There are still glaciers, even though alaska
just got a 85 degree heatadvisory in the place that's
supposed to be the coldest partof alaska.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Well, again, the same thing's been also argued is
because of the magnetic field isstarting to weaken around the
earth, allowing more solarradiation into to hit the earth
but that's caused by?
That is caused by pole shifting, which is a nothing anybody can
(02:13):
do about.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
It's a natural process yeah, we can't do
anything about that.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
That's the earth doing what it does that's what
all magnets, all magnets likethis even the sun goes through
this process yeah all right.
So again, is it really?
Man-made or is it just?
I think we are helping it alongat an accelerated pace all
(02:38):
right, let's talk about theinsanity of humanity, though
that because here lately, here,lately a lot of wars been going
on, a lot of conflicts.
I mean, I'm not saying therearen't conflicts always going on
on the earth there is.
It's through the dawn of timeall right, and some are smaller,
bigger, but it seems to be alittle bit more here lately.
(02:59):
Everybody seems a little bitmore on edge.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
So what's wrong with the?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
world is that.
Is there something wrong there?
No, with the world, is theresomething wrong there?
Speaker 3 (03:06):
No, with the world itself.
No, there isn't.
The fault is with humanity.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Right.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
And most of these wars it's under the guise of
religious reasons.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Yeah, and you've got a lot of religions that are
sitting back going, hey, there'ssomething wrong with the world.
We've got to wait for ourSavior or Messiah to come and
fix everything.
No, no, no, no Pagans we don'tnecessarily believe that, I
don't buy that one bit.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
I mean not in the sense that Jesus is going to
come from the east in the skywave his hand and make
everything okay.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
I've never seen any myths or prophecies where the
Twafidate and on are going tosplit the sky open again and
land their magical city in themiddle of.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Ireland again.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
We don't have anything like that.
So again, the world is what wemake out of it.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
It is.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
We don't even believe it's necessarily going to end.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
No, I mean scientifically speaking, it will
.
Yeah the sun will expandMillions of years from now.
I did see an article recentlywhere scientists estimated the
exact year.
I can't remember what they saidbecause my memory sucks, but
(04:38):
they did estimate a time.
It will eventually.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
It will eventually die, but pagans, we don't
believe there's going to be anapocalypse.
No, not in the sense I thinkthe closest we get is Norse
mythology, with Ragnarok.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Yes, but not in the sense that the Christians
believe no.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
No, there's a new beginning after Well, even the
Christians believe after theapocalypse.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Or after revelations that Christ is going to come and
make a brand new sparklingworld for everybody, or
something?
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Yeah, but here's the thing If heaven exists, why do
you need to remake the earth?
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Got to ask the question.
But yeah, you're right.
I mean, from what I remember ofmy Christian upbringing is that
Revelations, so many peoplewere supposed to be called up to
heaven to avoid it.
Well, the rest of us paganshave to sit there and go through
it, supposedly Right.
But the thing is why are youbringing them back to earth?
You took them to heaven, whereheaven's supposed to be perfect
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in and of itself.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Yes, Like why would you want to come back to earth
when you're already in paradise?
Why would Jesus need to comeback and remake it?
Speaker 2 (05:46):
well, when do we even have to be here?
Speaker 3 (05:48):
I mean, yeah, we don't have to, we don't have to
be here, so again if the if,those are right, that's where
all that ends.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
So that don't make no sense to me.
I'm like you it's.
Why do they have to remake theearth if heaven's just fun?
Speaker 3 (06:06):
I mean, that's um.
It's just one of those thingsright there I mean but.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
But at the end of the day, no, we don't believe
somebody's going to come alongand save us or stop a war or you
know, or necessarily life isgoing to just suddenly die off
just because we do have a war.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Or something terrible does happen, a polar shift or
whatever.
I don't think humanity justdies off.
We've been through all thisstuff before.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Yeah, in the past.
But as far as the Christianworldview goes, I think, because
one of their things is thatyou're not supposed to be of
this world.
Right one of their things isthat you're not supposed to be
of this world, right?
So something must be wrong withthe world if you are not
supposed to be of this world.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
All right, let me take this down to a little bit
more different thing is there.
Do you believe there issomething spiritual going on or
something?
Because, I'm sorry, I've tiktoksocial media in general.
We see these people and some ofthese people aren't quite,
they're not right in the head.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
No, they're not.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
There's a lot more of them and people get into a
whole lot more emotional andtrigger the whole nine yards.
Is there something else goingon here spiritually that's
causing do you believe thatmight be causing this up war?
Speaker 3 (07:30):
I think some of it is the fact that we live in a
world where every single welljust about every single person
on the face of this planet hasthe ability to voice their
opinion.
Yes, my opinion has to matter.
My opinion is the greatestopinion ever.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
You need to hear it, you need to believe me, and if
you don't, I'm going to getreally emotional and angry go on
and say and I'm going to go ona tirade you must believe and
live your life exactly the way Ilive mine, if you're not.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
You're not worth it.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Now again, is this a spiritual problem or is there
something else going on herethat's causing this disconnect
of community?
Speaker 3 (08:31):
again.
I think it is the fact thatevery single person can
disconnect and essentiallyreconnect.
I think it's too muchindividual.
I don't want to really want tosay it's too much individuality.
It's too much of I'm the onlyperson who's right, and people
are kind of seeing examples ofpeople who are world leaders and
(08:56):
people get highly emotional ifthey disagree with their
favorite little world leader.
Um, I, I don't know.
I wouldn't call it spirituality, I'd call it a crisis of ego
crisis of ego yes over anythingelse yes all right, I can see
that.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
I can actually see that that that's more of a
crisis of ego and this may besomething asymptomatic of you
know everybody gets a trophy.
Everybody's perfect, I'm sorry.
Not everybody's perfect ofeverything.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
No, my goodness.
No, we all have our flaws, butthere are some people in this
world that people think areperfect, like nothing they could
say could ever be wrong.
They're never going to do anywrong, and if you disagree with
me that they have done somethingwrong, you're evil, you're the
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opposite.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
You deserve to have all of your rights taken away,
but it does seem like herelately that people seem to be
more I don't like you, so I wantto attack you.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Faster than when I think me and you were younger
people had more conversations.
Yes or debates about thiswithout really trying to get mad
at each other.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
I think it's the you're behind the screen effect,
because when you're face toface with somebody, you see them
as a human being, right, Ithink a lot of times when people
are arguing with somebody overthe internet, there is a mental
disconnect, like on the surface,but I mean, it's not a person
(10:38):
you're talking to, even thoughit is I feel I can even feel
that slight disconnect on likezoom when we're
Speaker 2 (10:46):
doing meetings even when you're there with people
that you know personally,there's still this slight
disconnect, because they're on ascreen, yes, and they're not in
the room for you and again it's.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
I think some of it is energy like you're not.
If you're arguing with somebodyon the internet, you can't feel
that person's energy.
You can feel their anger butyou're not feeling their actual
personal energy well, again isit was the.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
It's the same argument like with emails and
stuff like that.
Why I could write an email andsay something to me sounded me
being sarcastic and witty.
Somebody else might think of itas being me being an ass yeah,
because you are typing.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
It's hard to convey sarcasm, humor um that kind of
stuff.
It's hard to convey that justover typing right and and then.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
But now video you get a little bit better, but
there's still somewhat of adisconnect there because body
language is important.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Yeah, if somebody is trying to make a point and all
you're seeing is what they'retyping and what they're typing
has come across angry, but intheir face if you saw their
faces, they were typing that youmight be able to see their
frustration.
You might be able to see theirsadness regarding the topic.
You might be able to see, youknow in their eyes what they're.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
They're struggling with something else but I hate
to be this way.
Now, look, having aconversation on the phone with
someone, though, isn't the sameno, it's not are you?
Are you with me?
Why you can actually feel moreconnected just having a phone
call with somebody versus overthe internet yeah, because?
(12:23):
Because you can put emotion inyour voice okay, well, I mean,
you're getting through the voice, through the video cam, and
yeah, so you're getting all that, but yet there's still that
disconnect with video.
Again, you see what I'm asking.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Yeah, Again, it's because for there to be a true
human connection, you have to bein a same space with somebody
sharing your energy with themand them sharing their energy
with you.
And we're sharing our energiesright now, talking to each other
, right, and we're sharing ourenergies right now talking to
each other.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Right, but again, could it be that the fact is
that the electronic devicesdon't necessarily allow those
energies to come across as alittle too much, especially when
we're talking about computersand electronics.
Unlike a phone, where it was alittle bit more basic.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Exactly, exactly, exactly, exactly.
It's block, it's just blockingall the humanity, where all you
get is just I don't.
It's not raw emotion, it's justemotion on paper and people.
It's easy to rip up a piece ofpaper.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Right.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
But it's not easy.
It's not as easy to go.
I disagree with you, so I'mjust going to punch you in the
face right here.
Yeah, it's a lot easier to callsomebody an idiot on the
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Internet than it is to see tocall somebody an idiot to their
face.
Because if you call somebody anidiot to their face, chances
are you're going to see thatemotional response and you're
going to feel bad about it.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Well, sometimes You're not going to Well
sometimes.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
If you're calling somebody an idiot over the
Internet, right, whatever theytype is not going to hit you as
hard as if you were face-to-face.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Again, it's easy to sit at home and become the chair
coach in a game and sit thereand yell at the TV yes, because
it's not going to really make adifference.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
It's not going to make a difference.
But what's going on, I think,especially with what's going on
in the Middle East, is they'vealways been like this.
That's a long line.
It's a long line there'sreligious history and everything
, and the fact that I think weare, as a society, losing our
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ability to communicateeffectively because we don't
communicate face to face anymore, Because even these world
leaders can type a tweet outthat says you guys suck.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Right.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
And the whole of that country has a visceral reaction
to that.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
You know, but I mean I had to be this way.
Yes, in a private maiden youturn around like it's someone.
No, you suck yeah, can actuallystart a conversation.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
You can start a conversation.
It's it's on on twitter.
It's like you suck, that's theend of it.
There can be a million commentsunderneath that, but there's
it's still not an actualconversation.
It's just people commentingtheir thoughts on a computer,
not face-to-face Right.
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That is one of our biggestissues.
It's not something that's wrongwith the world itself, not with
the earth, it's humanity.
I think we are losing ourhumanity.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Could this be a self-fulfilling prophecy?
Because you get tired of goingout there getting beat up.
You don't care anymore.
Then you get a little bit moreruder yourself.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Yeah, I can see that.
Are you with me there?
Because we're living so much ofour lives online, so many
people can just beat you up one,up one side and down the other.
That's gonna affect you, that'sgonna really affect you.
And yeah, in turn, when youcome back at them, you can come
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back at them 10 times worse andit just escalates the situation
but again, I still think theproblem there is is everybody
keeps on thinking that everybodyshould live their lives like
they do.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Yes, Instead of realizing I live my life like
this for me and you live yourlife for you.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
The majority of people think like that.
Well, that's not how I would dothat.
You're weird Because you'reweird you're wrong.
Because you're wrong.
I'm going to make sure you payfor it.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Right, if you ever watch Scooby-Doo and the whole
weird combinations of food thatthey talked about, all right,
here's.
The sad part is there arepeople out there who like those
combinations of foods.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
But that doesn't make them wrong.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
No, it's just what they like.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
I you know and let's say, because I like tortilla
chips just dipped in sour cream.
A lot of people think that'sweird, but it tastes good to me.
Well, I mean, do I deserve tohave a stone thrown at me
because I like that?
Speaker 2 (17:39):
I'm sure there's at least one person out there who
would like pickled flavored icecream.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
And it exists.
There's mac and cheese flavoredice cream and I'm sure somebody
out there is like that's thebest ice cream I've ever had in
my life.
That doesn't mean I'm going tocall you a pariah and just
exclude you from everinteracting with me again
because you like that macaroniand cheese flavored ice cream.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
But I mean it's true, I've seen people do that Like I
can't be friends with someonewho does that.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Why not?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Yeah, and I find it funny because the majority of
times I hear this, all I cankeep on thinking about is when I
came out of the closet.
It's still the same thing.
You just found out newinformation about me, so we
can't be friends.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
It's the same.
Yeah, okay, so you like picklesand ice cream?
Speaker 3 (18:29):
You're a little freaky, yeah a lot of it is just
focusing too much on thedifferences and thinking that
you're just wrong for beingdifferent, instead of just
thinking about how strange whatthat person likes is, ask
yourself but what do we have incommon?
There is not a single person onthis planet that you don't have
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at least one thing in commonwith, because we all have to eat
, we all have to breathe air.
We all have to drink water.
We all want to live under aroof.
Right.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
There's certain things that are required for
living.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
We all are just working toward being happy, most
of us at least.
I mean, there are probably somepeople on there who that's
their joy in life is makingother people unhappy, but most
of us we're just working towardbeing happy so.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
So what do you think the mindset is of these people
who who sit back and think thatyou must live your life the way
I do?
Speaker 3 (19:38):
because here now we're taught that you can't be
wrong, like, oh, we can't bewrong.
It's like I can't admit I'mwrong.
I can't admit that what I'mdoing is strange.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
See here's what's confusing me about this?
Because we have this going onin society, but why at the same
time?
Speaker 3 (20:00):
oh, live your own truth but when that person goes
to live their own truth and it'scounter to someone else's truth
.
Oh geez, here we go, like Ican't associate with you anymore
right.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
so again, that's the hard part that just really
freaks me out, because whenyou're telling someone to go off
and be a unique, weirdindividual and then condemning
them at the same time, yeah,yeah it's.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Why are people so quick to condemn?
Speaker 2 (20:32):
I don't know, I mean, don't get me wrong If you think
the best lifestyle for you isto go off and molest little kids
.
No, that's my line right there,as long as how, or if you think
it's all right to go out andforce yourself upon oh,
absolutely not whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
No, my theory is as long as you are not physically
harming another human being oremotionally harming another
human being, I don't give a shithow you live your life.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
So where do you think we should draw that line?
When does individuality and thegroup or the community behavior
needs to be more in line witheach other?
Speaker 3 (21:17):
physical.
It's, like I said, justphysical and emotional harm if
something you're doing, ifyou're infringing on someone
else's.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
We all should believe , if we infringe it on someone
else's rights, that we don'twant it done because we don't
want somebody else to infringeupon our rights but then you're
left with some people view otherbeing able to practice other
religions in America asinfringing on their right to be
(21:46):
a Christian Right.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
But it's not.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
It's not.
It's not Again us being pagandoes not infringe on the rights
of Christians.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
No, we're not telling them that they can't, but some
of them are viewing like oh, Ican't force my Christianity on
somebody else.
You're infringing on my right,but you're not.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Technically, if you look at the Christian, they have
a mandate in their religion topreach the Gospels, to go out,
and they do Again.
So that is part of theirbeliefs, alright, and again,
don't have a problem with themdoing it.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Yes, but at a certain point.
But you're crossing a line asan individual.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
No, if I look at them , say no, I do not want to
participate in this and that'swhen they take offense, that's
when they're when, that's whenthey go.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Oh, you're infringing on my rights because you don't
want to hear it you.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
You can sit there and preach it all you want, right
here on this street corner.
I can go down to the otherstreet corner and keep on going.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
But because you just ignored them and walked down the
street corner, some of themwill go.
Oh, you're not listening to me.
You're infringing on my rightsto be Christian.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Right, and I realize there are always going to be
somebody out there to push it.
I mean've met pagan.
I've met some pushy pagans overthe years too oh yeah, there's
pushy people in every religionthat will sit there and go oh my
god, no, you mean, you don'tsee this.
Oh my god, I mean, don't evenget me started on the whole
initiation, and yeahself-initiation and all the
trouble that brings up.
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So again, I still see it theretoo.
But when is it appropriate fora community regard, regardless
for christ or not, for us?
Speaker 3 (23:23):
to all go.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Okay, when you are emotionally harming someone is
when you should draw that line.
All right, so, but somecommunity?
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So again, this is all a littleconfusing for everybody, because
we're sitting here saying thatthere are some times where, yes,
we have to all act and behavethe same to a certain extent,
all right.
Why, at the other time, no, weneed to all act and behave the
same.
To a certain extent, all right,while at the other time, no, we
need to be individuals and weoften have a hard time
separating those two.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
There's a difference between the way I act at home
when I'm eating dinner versusthe way I act when I'm having
dinner at a friend's house orout in public.
Yeah, because I mean you haveto be mindful of other people
when you're out in public.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
You know you still have the whole entire argument
of how far you're going to pushthis with the oh, the two
teenage lovers.
You know when does it go toofar, when doesn't it go too far?
And again, depending on who theperson is sitting in front of
them, it could go too far andmight not go if it's just
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holding hands versus them.
Look like they're about to do asex act in the middle of the
living room.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
That's when you have to maybe take a step back and
really look at the wholesituation.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
I think we need to think of these things as a
community.
What we do put up with what wewill tolerate you know out in
public versus what's in private.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
It's yeah in private Say you and your husband are
walking down the street, youjust casually grab each other's
hands and somebody behind youthrow something at you.
That's crossing the line, I cansee that's intentionally making
someone else's life harder thanit needs to be I can see.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
I mean not that we've ever had that I know, but it's
a hypothetical, it's ahypothetical that, yeah, it, it
could happen.
And yeah, you know, dependingon my mood at the time, yes,
there are multiple ways I mighthandle it.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
But yeah, that's intentionally making someone's
life harder than it has to be.
If you don't like it, all youhave to do is look the other way
, because you holding a handwith your husband in public
isn't actually harming anybody.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
No, no.
But then you do have thosepeople that go around.
Well, you know, I don't want mykids to be exposed to this.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Okay, well, that's just you not wanting to have to
explain to your child there areother types of love in this
world other than heterosexual.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Well, again, when you're going out in public,
things change.
There's a certain there's acertain level where, yes, I I
may want to protect my kids fromall the bad stuff, but if I
take you out in public, you'regoing to be exposed to things
you normally are not used toseeing yes, and at that same,
like you have to be willing toparent your child in all these
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situations, yes, but I thinksome of that is parents don't
want to have to parent thissituation.
Okay, they just don't want to.
I'm done adulting.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
They're like I don't want to have to explain this to
my child, when you really shouldbe explaining this to your
child.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
You know well, you know well, they're good friends
it's like it's, I'm sorry
Speaker 3 (27:14):
looking at a six-year-old when they see a
couple going.
No, they're just really goodfriends okay it's your job to
make that person, to make yourchild a well-rounded human being
, and avoiding having to explainthings like that to them is
counterintuitive to making thema well-rounded human being is
that just because we'reuncomfortable with these things,
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kind of like, you know,actually having the sex talk
with kids?
yes, it's because they'reuncomfortable.
It's not a topic theyparticularly know a whole lot
about.
They don't want to take thetime to get educated on it
because it does make themuncomfortable, when really the
education is the cure to theuncomfortability.
Right.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
It's to learn about it.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Yes, but they don't want to.
I think that is one of the bigproblems humanity is having.
You can't grow if you stay inyour comfort zone.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
No, you can't, can you?
Speaker 3 (28:13):
No, you cannot If you don't take the time and make
yourself uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Learning should be uncomfortable At some point.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
yes, uncomfortable learning should be uncomfortable
at some point.
Yes, you have to beuncomfortable.
Yes, to grow as a person yes,you're gonna deal with concepts
that you might not like you'regonna shut yourself down and say
no, you're wrong, because youdon't want to make yourself
uncomfortable and learn thisperson's other point of view.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Makes no sense to me.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
I think that's really what it boils down to.
It's everybody just beingcomfortable in their own
bullshit.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
So, at the end of the day, what we're saying is
there's nothing wrong with theworld.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
It's humanity.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
It's only humanity and our perception of what in
the world is going on.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
It's absolutely humanity and their perception.
And with the world is going on,it's absolutely humanity and
their perception.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
And with that, let's go get some coffee.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
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Speaker 3 (00:46):
Hey, neera, I've got a question for you.
What's that?
What's wrong with the world?
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Of itself, there's nothingwrong with it.
There's nothing wrong with thetrees, nothing wrong with the
grass, nothing wrong with theair, nothing wrong with the
rivers, the oceans what about?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
what about global warming?
Is that wrong, or is that it's?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
accelerated by man, the world goes through the earth
itself goes through cycles.
That goes through cycles.
We went through an ice age.
Wasn't very many people aroundfor that?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
actually we're to some extent we are still going
through a slight yeah sage,because the poles are still
covered in ice.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
So that technically is a.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Kind of I mean just in the extreme parts of the
world, yeah, there's still ice.
Like we went to Alaska one time, there are still icebergs
around.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
There are still glaciers icebergs there's.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
There are still glaciers, even though alaska
just got a 85 degree heatadvisory in the place that's
supposed to be the coldest partof alaska.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Well, again, the same thing's been also argued is
because of the magnetic field isstarting to weaken around the
earth, allowing more solarradiation into to hit the earth
but that's caused by?
That is caused by pole shifting, which is a nothing anybody can
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do about.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
It's a natural process yeah, we can't do
anything about that.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
That's the earth doing what it does that's what
all magnets, all magnets likethis even the sun goes through
this process yeah all right.
So again, is it really?
Man-made or is it just?
I think we are helping it alongat an accelerated pace all
(02:38):
right, let's talk about theinsanity of humanity, though
that because here lately, here,lately a lot of wars been going
on, a lot of conflicts.
I mean, I'm not saying therearen't conflicts always going on
on the earth there is.
It's through the dawn of timeall right, and some are smaller,
bigger, but it seems to be alittle bit more here lately.
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Everybody seems a little bitmore on edge.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
So what's wrong with the?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
world is that.
Is there something wrong there?
No, with the world, is theresomething wrong there?
Speaker 3 (03:06):
No, with the world itself.
No, there isn't.
The fault is with humanity.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Right.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
And most of these wars it's under the guise of
religious reasons.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Yeah, and you've got a lot of religions that are
sitting back going, hey, there'ssomething wrong with the world.
We've got to wait for ourSavior or Messiah to come and
fix everything.
No, no, no, no Pagans we don'tnecessarily believe that, I
don't buy that one bit.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
I mean not in the sense that Jesus is going to
come from the east in the skywave his hand and make
everything okay.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
I've never seen any myths or prophecies where the
Twafidate and on are going tosplit the sky open again and
land their magical city in themiddle of.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Ireland again.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
We don't have anything like that.
So again, the world is what wemake out of it.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
It is.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
We don't even believe it's necessarily going to end.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
No, I mean scientifically speaking, it will
.
Yeah the sun will expandMillions of years from now.
I did see an article recentlywhere scientists estimated the
exact year.
I can't remember what they saidbecause my memory sucks, but
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they did estimate a time.
It will eventually.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
It will eventually die, but pagans, we don't
believe there's going to be anapocalypse.
No, not in the sense I thinkthe closest we get is Norse
mythology, with Ragnarok.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Yes, but not in the sense that the Christians
believe no.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
No, there's a new beginning after Well, even the
Christians believe after theapocalypse.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Or after revelations that Christ is going to come and
make a brand new sparklingworld for everybody, or
something?
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Yeah, but here's the thing If heaven exists, why do
you need to remake the earth?
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Got to ask the question.
But yeah, you're right.
I mean, from what I remember ofmy Christian upbringing is that
Revelations, so many peoplewere supposed to be called up to
heaven to avoid it.
Well, the rest of us paganshave to sit there and go through
it, supposedly Right.
But the thing is why are youbringing them back to earth?
You took them to heaven, whereheaven's supposed to be perfect
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in and of itself.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Yes, Like why would you want to come back to earth
when you're already in paradise?
Why would Jesus need to comeback and remake it?
Speaker 2 (05:46):
well, when do we even have to be here?
Speaker 3 (05:48):
I mean, yeah, we don't have to, we don't have to
be here, so again if the if,those are right, that's where
all that ends.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
So that don't make no sense to me.
I'm like you it's.
Why do they have to remake theearth if heaven's just fun?
Speaker 3 (06:06):
I mean, that's um.
It's just one of those thingsright there I mean but.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
But at the end of the day, no, we don't believe
somebody's going to come alongand save us or stop a war or you
know, or necessarily life isgoing to just suddenly die off
just because we do have a war.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Or something terrible does happen, a polar shift or
whatever.
I don't think humanity justdies off.
We've been through all thisstuff before.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Yeah, in the past.
But as far as the Christianworldview goes, I think, because
one of their things is thatyou're not supposed to be of
this world.
Right one of their things isthat you're not supposed to be
of this world, right?
So something must be wrong withthe world if you are not
supposed to be of this world.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
All right, let me take this down to a little bit
more different thing is there.
Do you believe there issomething spiritual going on or
something?
Because, I'm sorry, I've tiktoksocial media in general.
We see these people and some ofthese people aren't quite,
they're not right in the head.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
No, they're not.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
There's a lot more of them and people get into a
whole lot more emotional andtrigger the whole nine yards.
Is there something else goingon here spiritually that's
causing do you believe thatmight be causing this up war?
Speaker 3 (07:30):
I think some of it is the fact that we live in a
world where every single welljust about every single person
on the face of this planet hasthe ability to voice their
opinion.
Yes, my opinion has to matter.
My opinion is the greatestopinion ever.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
You need to hear it, you need to believe me, and if
you don't, I'm going to getreally emotional and angry go on
and say and I'm going to go ona tirade you must believe and
live your life exactly the way Ilive mine, if you're not.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
You're not worth it.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Now again, is this a spiritual problem or is there
something else going on herethat's causing this disconnect
of community?
Speaker 3 (08:31):
again.
I think it is the fact thatevery single person can
disconnect and essentiallyreconnect.
I think it's too muchindividual.
I don't want to really want tosay it's too much individuality.
It's too much of I'm the onlyperson who's right, and people
are kind of seeing examples ofpeople who are world leaders and
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people get highly emotional ifthey disagree with their
favorite little world leader.
Um, I, I don't know.
I wouldn't call it spirituality, I'd call it a crisis of ego
crisis of ego yes over anythingelse yes all right, I can see
that.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
I can actually see that that that's more of a
crisis of ego and this may besomething asymptomatic of you
know everybody gets a trophy.
Everybody's perfect, I'm sorry.
Not everybody's perfect ofeverything.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
No, my goodness.
No, we all have our flaws, butthere are some people in this
world that people think areperfect, like nothing they could
say could ever be wrong.
They're never going to do anywrong, and if you disagree with
me that they have done somethingwrong, you're evil, you're the
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opposite.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
You deserve to have all of your rights taken away,
but it does seem like herelately that people seem to be
more I don't like you, so I wantto attack you.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Faster than when I think me and you were younger
people had more conversations.
Yes or debates about thiswithout really trying to get mad
at each other.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
I think it's the you're behind the screen effect,
because when you're face toface with somebody, you see them
as a human being, right, Ithink a lot of times when people
are arguing with somebody overthe internet, there is a mental
disconnect, like on the surface,but I mean, it's not a person
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you're talking to, even thoughit is I feel I can even feel
that slight disconnect on likezoom when we're
Speaker 2 (10:46):
doing meetings even when you're there with people
that you know personally,there's still this slight
disconnect, because they're on ascreen, yes, and they're not in
the room for you and again it's.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
I think some of it is energy like you're not.
If you're arguing with somebodyon the internet, you can't feel
that person's energy.
You can feel their anger butyou're not feeling their actual
personal energy well, again isit was the.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
It's the same argument like with emails and
stuff like that.
Why I could write an email andsay something to me sounded me
being sarcastic and witty.
Somebody else might think of itas being me being an ass yeah,
because you are typing.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
It's hard to convey sarcasm, humor um that kind of
stuff.
It's hard to convey that justover typing right and and then.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
But now video you get a little bit better, but
there's still somewhat of adisconnect there because body
language is important.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Yeah, if somebody is trying to make a point and all
you're seeing is what they'retyping and what they're typing
has come across angry, but intheir face if you saw their
faces, they were typing that youmight be able to see their
frustration.
You might be able to see theirsadness regarding the topic.
You might be able to see, youknow in their eyes what they're.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
They're struggling with something else but I hate
to be this way.
Now, look, having aconversation on the phone with
someone, though, isn't the sameno, it's not are you?
Are you with me?
Why you can actually feel moreconnected just having a phone
call with somebody versus overthe internet yeah, because?
(12:23):
Because you can put emotion inyour voice okay, well, I mean,
you're getting through the voice, through the video cam, and
yeah, so you're getting all that, but yet there's still that
disconnect with video.
Again, you see what I'm asking.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Yeah, Again, it's because for there to be a true
human connection, you have to bein a same space with somebody
sharing your energy with themand them sharing their energy
with you.
And we're sharing our energiesright now, talking to each other
, right, and we're sharing ourenergies right now talking to
each other.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Right, but again, could it be that the fact is
that the electronic devicesdon't necessarily allow those
energies to come across as alittle too much, especially when
we're talking about computersand electronics.
Unlike a phone, where it was alittle bit more basic.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Exactly, exactly, exactly, exactly.
It's block, it's just blockingall the humanity, where all you
get is just I don't.
It's not raw emotion, it's justemotion on paper and people.
It's easy to rip up a piece ofpaper.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Right.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
But it's not easy.
It's not as easy to go.
I disagree with you, so I'mjust going to punch you in the
face right here.
Yeah, it's a lot easier to callsomebody an idiot on the
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Internet than it is to see tocall somebody an idiot to their
face.
Because if you call somebody anidiot to their face, chances
are you're going to see thatemotional response and you're
going to feel bad about it.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Well, sometimes You're not going to Well
sometimes.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
If you're calling somebody an idiot over the
Internet, right, whatever theytype is not going to hit you as
hard as if you were face-to-face.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Again, it's easy to sit at home and become the chair
coach in a game and sit thereand yell at the TV yes, because
it's not going to really make adifference.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
It's not going to make a difference.
But what's going on, I think,especially with what's going on
in the Middle East, is they'vealways been like this.
That's a long line.
It's a long line there'sreligious history and everything
, and the fact that I think weare, as a society, losing our
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ability to communicateeffectively because we don't
communicate face to face anymore, Because even these world
leaders can type a tweet outthat says you guys suck.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Right.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
And the whole of that country has a visceral reaction
to that.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
You know, but I mean I had to be this way.
Yes, in a private maiden youturn around like it's someone.
No, you suck yeah, can actuallystart a conversation.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
You can start a conversation.
It's it's on on twitter.
It's like you suck, that's theend of it.
There can be a million commentsunderneath that, but there's
it's still not an actualconversation.
It's just people commentingtheir thoughts on a computer,
not face-to-face Right.
(15:50):
That is one of our biggestissues.
It's not something that's wrongwith the world itself, not with
the earth, it's humanity.
I think we are losing ourhumanity.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Could this be a self-fulfilling prophecy?
Because you get tired of goingout there getting beat up.
You don't care anymore.
Then you get a little bit moreruder yourself.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Yeah, I can see that.
Are you with me there?
Because we're living so much ofour lives online, so many
people can just beat you up one,up one side and down the other.
That's gonna affect you, that'sgonna really affect you.
And yeah, in turn, when youcome back at them, you can come
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back at them 10 times worse andit just escalates the situation
but again, I still think theproblem there is is everybody
keeps on thinking that everybodyshould live their lives like
they do.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Yes, Instead of realizing I live my life like
this for me and you live yourlife for you.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
The majority of people think like that.
Well, that's not how I would dothat.
You're weird Because you'reweird you're wrong.
Because you're wrong.
I'm going to make sure you payfor it.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Right, if you ever watch Scooby-Doo and the whole
weird combinations of food thatthey talked about, all right,
here's.
The sad part is there arepeople out there who like those
combinations of foods.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
But that doesn't make them wrong.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
No, it's just what they like.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
I you know and let's say, because I like tortilla
chips just dipped in sour cream.
A lot of people think that'sweird, but it tastes good to me.
Well, I mean, do I deserve tohave a stone thrown at me
because I like that?
Speaker 2 (17:39):
I'm sure there's at least one person out there who
would like pickled flavored icecream.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
And it exists.
There's mac and cheese flavoredice cream and I'm sure somebody
out there is like that's thebest ice cream I've ever had in
my life.
That doesn't mean I'm going tocall you a pariah and just
exclude you from everinteracting with me again
because you like that macaroniand cheese flavored ice cream.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
But I mean it's true, I've seen people do that Like I
can't be friends with someonewho does that.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Why not?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Yeah, and I find it funny because the majority of
times I hear this, all I cankeep on thinking about is when I
came out of the closet.
It's still the same thing.
You just found out newinformation about me, so we
can't be friends.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
It's the same.
Yeah, okay, so you like picklesand ice cream?
Speaker 3 (18:29):
You're a little freaky, yeah a lot of it is just
focusing too much on thedifferences and thinking that
you're just wrong for beingdifferent, instead of just
thinking about how strange whatthat person likes is, ask
yourself but what do we have incommon?
There is not a single person onthis planet that you don't have
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at least one thing in commonwith, because we all have to eat
, we all have to breathe air.
We all have to drink water.
We all want to live under aroof.
Right.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
There's certain things that are required for
living.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
We all are just working toward being happy, most
of us at least.
I mean, there are probably somepeople on there who that's
their joy in life is makingother people unhappy, but most
of us we're just working towardbeing happy so.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
So what do you think the mindset is of these people
who who sit back and think thatyou must live your life the way
I do?
Speaker 3 (19:38):
because here now we're taught that you can't be
wrong, like, oh, we can't bewrong.
It's like I can't admit I'mwrong.
I can't admit that what I'mdoing is strange.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
See here's what's confusing me about this?
Because we have this going onin society, but why at the same
time?
Speaker 3 (20:00):
oh, live your own truth but when that person goes
to live their own truth and it'scounter to someone else's truth
.
Oh geez, here we go, like Ican't associate with you anymore
right.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
so again, that's the hard part that just really
freaks me out, because whenyou're telling someone to go off
and be a unique, weirdindividual and then condemning
them at the same time, yeah,yeah it's.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Why are people so quick to condemn?
Speaker 2 (20:32):
I don't know, I mean, don't get me wrong If you think
the best lifestyle for you isto go off and molest little kids
.
No, that's my line right there,as long as how, or if you think
it's all right to go out andforce yourself upon oh,
absolutely not whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
No, my theory is as long as you are not physically
harming another human being oremotionally harming another
human being, I don't give a shithow you live your life.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
So where do you think we should draw that line?
When does individuality and thegroup or the community behavior
needs to be more in line witheach other?
Speaker 3 (21:17):
physical.
It's, like I said, justphysical and emotional harm if
something you're doing, ifyou're infringing on someone
else's.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
We all should believe , if we infringe it on someone
else's rights, that we don'twant it done because we don't
want somebody else to infringeupon our rights but then you're
left with some people view otherbeing able to practice other
religions in America asinfringing on their right to be
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a Christian Right.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
But it's not.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
It's not.
It's not Again us being pagandoes not infringe on the rights
of Christians.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
No, we're not telling them that they can't, but some
of them are viewing like oh, Ican't force my Christianity on
somebody else.
You're infringing on my right,but you're not.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Technically, if you look at the Christian, they have
a mandate in their religion topreach the Gospels, to go out,
and they do Again.
So that is part of theirbeliefs, alright, and again,
don't have a problem with themdoing it.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Yes, but at a certain point.
But you're crossing a line asan individual.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
No, if I look at them , say no, I do not want to
participate in this and that'swhen they take offense, that's
when they're when, that's whenthey go.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Oh, you're infringing on my rights because you don't
want to hear it you.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
You can sit there and preach it all you want, right
here on this street corner.
I can go down to the otherstreet corner and keep on going.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
But because you just ignored them and walked down the
street corner, some of themwill go.
Oh, you're not listening to me.
You're infringing on my rightsto be Christian.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Right, and I realize there are always going to be
somebody out there to push it.
I mean've met pagan.
I've met some pushy pagans overthe years too oh yeah, there's
pushy people in every religionthat will sit there and go oh my
god, no, you mean, you don'tsee this.
Oh my god, I mean, don't evenget me started on the whole
initiation, and yeahself-initiation and all the
trouble that brings up.
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So again, I still see it theretoo.
But when is it appropriate fora community regard, regardless
for christ or not, for us?
Speaker 3 (23:23):
to all go.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Okay, when you are emotionally harming someone is
when you should draw that line.
All right, so, but somecommunity?
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So again, this is all a littleconfusing for everybody, because
we're sitting here saying thatthere are some times where, yes,
we have to all act and behavethe same to a certain extent,
all right.
Why, at the other time, no, weneed to all act and behave the
same.
To a certain extent, all right,while at the other time, no, we
need to be individuals and weoften have a hard time
separating those two.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
There's a difference between the way I act at home
when I'm eating dinner versusthe way I act when I'm having
dinner at a friend's house orout in public.
Yeah, because I mean you haveto be mindful of other people
when you're out in public.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
You know you still have the whole entire argument
of how far you're going to pushthis with the oh, the two
teenage lovers.
You know when does it go toofar, when doesn't it go too far?
And again, depending on who theperson is sitting in front of
them, it could go too far andmight not go if it's just
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holding hands versus them.
Look like they're about to do asex act in the middle of the
living room.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
That's when you have to maybe take a step back and
really look at the wholesituation.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
I think we need to think of these things as a
community.
What we do put up with what wewill tolerate you know out in
public versus what's in private.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
It's yeah in private Say you and your husband are
walking down the street, youjust casually grab each other's
hands and somebody behind youthrow something at you.
That's crossing the line, I cansee that's intentionally making
someone else's life harder thanit needs to be I can see.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
I mean not that we've ever had that I know, but it's
a hypothetical, it's ahypothetical that, yeah, it, it
could happen.
And yeah, you know, dependingon my mood at the time, yes,
there are multiple ways I mighthandle it.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
But yeah, that's intentionally making someone's
life harder than it has to be.
If you don't like it, all youhave to do is look the other way
, because you holding a handwith your husband in public
isn't actually harming anybody.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
No, no.
But then you do have thosepeople that go around.
Well, you know, I don't want mykids to be exposed to this.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Okay, well, that's just you not wanting to have to
explain to your child there areother types of love in this
world other than heterosexual.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Well, again, when you're going out in public,
things change.
There's a certain there's acertain level where, yes, I I
may want to protect my kids fromall the bad stuff, but if I
take you out in public, you'regoing to be exposed to things
you normally are not used toseeing yes, and at that same,
like you have to be willing toparent your child in all these
(26:44):
situations, yes, but I thinksome of that is parents don't
want to have to parent thissituation.
Okay, they just don't want to.
I'm done adulting.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
They're like I don't want to have to explain this to
my child, when you really shouldbe explaining this to your
child.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
You know well, you know well, they're good friends
it's like it's, I'm sorry
Speaker 3 (27:14):
looking at a six-year-old when they see a
couple going.
No, they're just really goodfriends okay it's your job to
make that person, to make yourchild a well-rounded human being
, and avoiding having to explainthings like that to them is
counterintuitive to making thema well-rounded human being is
that just because we'reuncomfortable with these things,
(27:35):
kind of like, you know,actually having the sex talk
with kids?
yes, it's because they'reuncomfortable.
It's not a topic theyparticularly know a whole lot
about.
They don't want to take thetime to get educated on it
because it does make themuncomfortable, when really the
education is the cure to theuncomfortability.
Right.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
It's to learn about it.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Yes, but they don't want to.
I think that is one of the bigproblems humanity is having.
You can't grow if you stay inyour comfort zone.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
No, you can't, can you?
Speaker 3 (28:13):
No, you cannot If you don't take the time and make
yourself uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Learning should be uncomfortable At some point.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
yes, uncomfortable learning should be uncomfortable
at some point.
Yes, you have to beuncomfortable.
Yes, to grow as a person yes,you're gonna deal with concepts
that you might not like you'regonna shut yourself down and say
no, you're wrong, because youdon't want to make yourself
uncomfortable and learn thisperson's other point of view.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Makes no sense to me.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
I think that's really what it boils down to.
It's everybody just beingcomfortable in their own
bullshit.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
So, at the end of the day, what we're saying is
there's nothing wrong with theworld.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
It's humanity.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
It's only humanity and our perception of what in
the world is going on.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
It's absolutely humanity and their perception.
And with the world is going on,it's absolutely humanity and
their perception.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
And with that, let's go get some coffee.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Thanks for listening.
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Speaker 4 (29:25):
Reddit.
See your blazing fires, and soit is the end of our day.
So walk with me till morningbreaks, and so it is the end of
(29:49):
our day.
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