December 3, 2025 • 29 mins
Magic works best when it isn’t your first move. We dig into the real questions that make spellcraft effective: how to choose duration, when timing matters, which forms channel your focus, and why spells should always start with a clear reading and a dose of honesty about your role in the result.
We explore timing without dogma. Urgent needs don’t wait for the moon, yet aligning with the waxing and waning cycle gives your intention a boost. We talk through seasonal rhythms, planetary hours, and the Chaldean order for those who love precision, while stressing that complexity isn’t automatically stronger. The goal is flow, not friction: work with nature when you can, and move when you must.
We push back on “spell-a-day” culture and highlight the limits of magic: it won’t break physics, and it can’t replace responsibility. Spells amplify momentum you create—job work after you apply, healing alongside treatment, love after you show up. The deeper truth we land on is that most magic changes the caster first. Shift mindset, align behavior, and the world responds. If that approach to spellcraft speaks to you, subscribe, share with a friend who practices, and leave a review to help more seekers find the show.
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SPEAKER_03 (00:16):
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SPEAKER_06 (00:26):
All right, so you go and you decide that you need to
cast a spell.
Now, again, we've talked aboutthis before.
In our arsenal of stuff, spellsare like the last tool that we
use.
SPEAKER_02 (00:39):
Right.
It's a last resort.
SPEAKER_06 (00:41):
It's a last resort.
All right.
It's not the first thing we pullout or we go, hey, just cast a
spell for this.
But when we just do decide tocast a spell, I think there's
some decisions.
And let's discuss how in theworld we make those decisions,
right?
SPEAKER_01 (00:58):
Sure.
SPEAKER_06 (00:59):
All right.
So you're casting a spellregardless of what it's for, all
right?
Well, I guess it really doesdepend on what it's for.
I think it does.
Depending on what you want todo.
I guess the first thing we needto decide is the length of the
spell.
How many days is it going totake us to complete the spell or
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not?
Is it a one-shot wonder spell oris it going to be a day spell?
SPEAKER_02 (01:31):
I was going to say, is it going to be done in
stages?
SPEAKER_06 (01:33):
Right.
I mean, because there are somespells that can last what, six
months to possibly a year?
SPEAKER_02 (01:38):
Sure, yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (01:40):
To some extent.
SPEAKER_02 (01:41):
You know, and well, I was going to say, I think when
it comes to that, I think that'sum that's a personal decision.
I mean, how much effort do youreally want to put into it?
You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_06 (01:55):
True.
Well, well, again, we we have wedo have items.
Like we have a jar that there'sa spell on to never make it
empty or full.
It's just a change jar.
And again, it's still apermanent spell, but every so
often we do reinforce the spell.
SPEAKER_01 (02:17):
Right.
SPEAKER_06 (02:18):
Sometimes.
Yeah, are you with me?
It's not we do it once a year oranything, but we do occasionally
reinforce it.
So is that still an is thatstill an ongoing spell that's
been going on for years now?
SPEAKER_02 (02:32):
Yes.
I mean, I mean it is, but I Ithink I think for something like
that, yeah, you're gonna have todo some reinforcements every
once in a while.
You know, if you've got a quoteunquote permanent spell going
on, I think you still need toreinforce it.
SPEAKER_06 (02:51):
You know, like like some people do that whole entire
spell where they have keys thatthey don't own the lock to, that
you touch each window and eachdoor, say a little incantation,
and then hang this all aboveyour door to help ward off
thieves.
Now, again, while we would sitthere and go, hey, you know what
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else wards off thieves?
Locking your doors.
Have an alarm system.
SPEAKER_01 (03:19):
Right.
SPEAKER_06 (03:21):
Ignoring all that for a second, but the idea there
is to give it a little extraprotection, right?
SPEAKER_02 (03:28):
Look at reinforcing on long-term spells.
Look at reinforcing likemaintenance on your house.
SPEAKER_06 (03:38):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (03:39):
You've built the structure, but every once in a
while you gotta go back and yougotta maintain it, otherwise the
structure's gonna fall.
SPEAKER_06 (03:46):
Yes, but my question is is since you're only doing
the spell for the for the sakeof argument for what we're
talking about here, once a year,is that each year it's a new
spell, or is it just that onespell keeps on going forever?
Are you are you see what I'msaying asking?
SPEAKER_02 (04:06):
It's it's a stack effect.
SPEAKER_06 (04:08):
I I'm not I'm not disagreeing with you.
SPEAKER_02 (04:10):
If you've okay, like with the with the change jar.
It's been set up so that itnever goes empty.
SPEAKER_06 (04:17):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (04:18):
So that's that's gonna, it's an ongoing, but
every once in a while, again,you gotta maintain it.
SPEAKER_06 (04:26):
Right.
I mean, again, there there's nocontract made here.
There's no you're not givingyour word or anything, so you're
not enslaving or bargaining withsomething else.
SPEAKER_02 (04:39):
No, we're not we're not we're not working with
outside entities or anythinglike that.
SPEAKER_06 (04:42):
Outside entities or anything like that.
So again, if you happen to missit one year or you know, a month
or you know, if you always didit in December and the next year
you happen to do it in January,it's not really gonna mess up
anything.
SPEAKER_02 (04:55):
No.
SPEAKER_06 (04:56):
The spell's just going to continue.
It's just refilling up theyou're we're looking at it more
like refilling up the gas tankat this point.
Yes.
We're going this long.
SPEAKER_02 (05:06):
Yes.
SPEAKER_06 (05:06):
All right.
Now, unlike if we were going todo if we were going to do a
healing spell, I I wouldprobably do a seven-day healing
spell versus just one shot.
SPEAKER_02 (05:20):
Okay.
Any particular reason?
SPEAKER_06 (05:22):
Because of the well, just because of the nature of
healing spells that, you know,you heal one thing and another
thing, and doing so it shows aproblem somewhere else and so
forth and so on.
SPEAKER_02 (05:35):
I gotcha.
SPEAKER_06 (05:36):
Healing spells also take a lot of energy and stuff
like that, too.
SPEAKER_02 (05:40):
Yes, they do.
SPEAKER_06 (05:42):
Doing a less intense healing spell for seven days
might be a little bit easier foryou to physically handle versus
a one-shot which is going todrain you all completely at one
time.
SPEAKER_02 (05:56):
Mm-hmm.
Yep, and that makes perfectsense.
SPEAKER_06 (05:58):
And which, you know, you that person might, depending
on the illness, might need allthat extra energy over a longer
period of time.
SPEAKER_02 (06:07):
Well, and it's also, I mean, you look at it, if you
expend it all at one time, thenyou're not getting the full
benefit, in my opinion.
SPEAKER_06 (06:18):
It's sort of like it's sort of like the doctor
sitting there telling you totake all you make sure you take
all your antibiotics, even ifyou feel better.
SPEAKER_02 (06:25):
Right.
SPEAKER_06 (06:25):
Well It's sort of the way I look at these
seven-day spells for healing.
SPEAKER_02 (06:30):
Yeah, but I was gonna say it would be kind of
like it would be like taking themaximum dose on something and
then having to wait an X amountof time before you can take
something else, because if youdon't, then you'll overdose.
SPEAKER_06 (06:44):
Maybe.
SPEAKER_02 (06:45):
So I think it's kind of like that.
So it's better to kind of spreadit out.
I mean, when you recover fromsurgery or whatever, you don't
do it all in one day.
So why would why would thishealing spell be any different?
SPEAKER_06 (07:00):
All right.
Well well, what about somethinglike a a job, a spell for a job?
I mean, are you gonna do aone-shot thing, or is this
something we're gonna do forseven days?
Or shoot, I've even seen thespells where in the world you
put a spell on a plant withmaybe coins in the dirt to, and
as the plant grows, yourprosperity is supposed to grow.
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And again, that's not that'smore of a long-term spell, and
what happens when the plantdies.
SPEAKER_02 (07:29):
Right.
Well, you know, that's somethingdifferent.
You know, I mean, you know, noteverybody's got green thumbs,
and no, but I think I think fora job, I don't know, I've done a
spell for a job, and I just dida one-shot deal.
unknown (07:52):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (07:52):
I had already put in all the applications, and the
only thing I was looking to dowas to increase my visibility on
those applications.
So um, you know, I wasn't tryingto push anybody out of the way,
even though I know I probablydid somewhere down the line.
But uh, you know, but doggoneit, I needed a job.
(08:17):
Yeah, I don't think you need todo a long drawn-out thing for
that, because again, forsomething like that, there's
your effort also has to be putinto that.
SPEAKER_06 (08:30):
All right.
Well, when we're consideringspells, the next thing we need
to consider is timing.
Correct.
I mean, again, why no, I don'tthink you necessarily have to
wait for a specific solarastrological event or moon phase
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or any of this stuff tonecessarily cast a spell, but on
the other hand, there's adifference between working with
the flow of water and trying towork against it.
SPEAKER_02 (09:06):
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_06 (09:08):
You know, sometimes sometimes spells have to be, and
sometimes it again, if it's forillness or sickness, you're not
gonna wait, you know.
I'm sorry, you you can't diequite yet.
You need to wait another monthuntil the full moon's back so I
can cast.
SPEAKER_01 (09:26):
Right.
SPEAKER_06 (09:27):
It's not something we're gonna do.
No, you know, again, if if youwere truly desperate to get, you
know, money or something likethat, you're gonna cast the
spell right now and not waituntil the right day of the week
and the time of day, sun hour,right, or the lunar phase and
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stuff like this.
But I also will sit there andtell you if you can wait and you
can work with nature, it'sbetter.
SPEAKER_02 (09:55):
Sure it is, yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (09:58):
But it's not necessary because again, I I
believe those things give aslight boost.
You can tap into energies thatyou normally can't.
SPEAKER_02 (10:06):
Well, sure.
I mean, you know, you you lookat uh surfers, they don't go
against the wave to you know toto actually ride the wave.
You can't do that.
But well, I mean you probablycould, but it's not gonna be
easy.
So I think I think in uh in alot of ways, yeah, it's the same
thing.
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It's always easier and it flowsbetter.
SPEAKER_06 (10:30):
When you're working with nature, right, when you
work with it.
And again, when we talk aboutall these cycles, well, we're
talking about like the lunarcycles, you know, from from a a
waxy moon, right?
You know, so a waxy moon goingfrom new to full is a good time
for spells to of increasing.
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Going from full to new is a goodtime to get rid of stuff, right?
Do spells of banishment andstuff like this.
SPEAKER_02 (10:59):
Typically speaking, yes.
SPEAKER_06 (11:02):
But we also see the same pattern within the larger
count or in the larger will ofthe year.
So, like anything after Sawin isconsidered the dark half of the
year, and this is a good time todo those spells to get rid of
stuff even without the moon'sinfluence.
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Regardless of the moon'sinfluence, that dark time or the
winter time and the fall time isa good time to get rid of stuff.
And if you are doing it withgetting rid of stuff during that
time, along with the timing itwith the moon going from full to
new, you get double the boost,sort of.
SPEAKER_01 (11:44):
Right.
SPEAKER_06 (11:45):
And of course, the same thing would be said for the
summertime and going from full,right?
SPEAKER_02 (11:51):
Right, from new to full, yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (11:53):
You know, and again, you I'm not sitting there
telling people don't sit upthere and look up the planetary
hours or don't use them.
I'm just saying if you got thetime and the patience to do
that, great.
But I think I've done it withfor one spell in my whole entire
life where it's it had to bedone between this time and this
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time.
And I was doing it for sevendays and I had to calculate each
single day where I was in thewas in the right planetary hour.
Now, how do we do that?
Now, just to ask, do youremember how to do that?
How to calculate the planetaryhours?
SPEAKER_02 (12:33):
Um, I don't offhand, but um, I'm sure there's plenty
of information out there.
SPEAKER_06 (12:41):
If I remember correctly, and you can tell me
if this sounds right, you takethe hours of daylight and divide
it by the number of planets,which are 12 or the 12 zodiacs,
or the or the planets, or by thenine planets, I believe.
And because the the planetaryhours do not match up with clock
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hours, they're not just 60minutes long, they can be longer
or shorter than that, dependingon the length of the day.
Hang on.
Yes, if we're gonna cut out thepart where we're doing research
in the middle of I don't know.
SPEAKER_02 (13:15):
All right, find sunrise and find sunset.
Okay, so you look up yoursunrise and sunrise for the
exact location of where you are.
Right.
SPEAKER_06 (13:26):
Right.
You need the length of day foryour location.
SPEAKER_02 (13:29):
So then you divide your daylight into twelve equal
parts.
Same thing for night.
SPEAKER_06 (13:36):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (13:38):
Each day of the week is ruled by a planet.
The first hour after sunrise isalways ruled by that planet.
So then you follow the Chaldeanorder: Saturn, Jupiter, Mars,
Sun, Venus, Mercury, and theMoon.
And then you repeat it.
SPEAKER_06 (13:57):
Right, because again, the length of day can
keep on repeating over and overas long as you got daylight.
SPEAKER_01 (14:04):
Right.
SPEAKER_06 (14:04):
Because again, day the length of day changes over
the year, so that changes howlong one planetary hour is.
SPEAKER_02 (14:13):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_06 (14:15):
All right, and then the same thing at night, because
again, when the night starts tolengthen, it changes and makes
them longer or shorteraccordingly.
SPEAKER_02 (14:23):
Yes.
SPEAKER_06 (14:24):
How complicated is this?
But again, what we're we'restarting to there here's this
line.
We're starting to get into thathigh magic.
SPEAKER_02 (14:35):
Yeah, it's well or slow magic.
Yeah, it's what we we call highmagic.
SPEAKER_06 (14:39):
High magic is it is what we're talking about here is
that you you you're gonna make aone out of a out of a tree or
out of the wood that bestharmonizes with the spell you
may use.
SPEAKER_02 (14:54):
Right.
So if you're gonna do that andyou're gonna follow this
pattern, then you need to findout what planet rules the wood.
Wood.
Right.
And then you need to find theplanetary hour for that planet
to do it during the day.
SPEAKER_06 (15:07):
So again, this is how complicated spells can get.
I mean, spells can get ascomplicated as waiting for
certain astrological events tohappen where certain uh star
constellations rise or at thesunset or at the sunrise, or a
certain planetary alignment, andstuff like that happens, all
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right.
So again, working with theseenergies can be that
complicated, or that or you canbe as easy as, hey, I'm just
gonna put this crap in a jar andsay a few words and bury it in
the backyard and it's done.
SPEAKER_01 (15:49):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (15:52):
I mean you can go as simple or as complicated as you
like.
You know, but uh but just keepin mind, just because it's more
complicated doesn't necessarilymean it's better.
No, and just because it might bea one-off doesn't necessarily
mean it's better either.
SPEAKER_06 (16:11):
No.
No.
But again, depending on whatyou're doing and why you're
doing it, you may decide to pickone of these.
Now, what about forms?
All right, and what do I mean?
Are you gonna do candle magic?
Are you gonna do a witch's ball?
Are you gonna do a witch'sbottle, or are you going to, you
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know, just take a coin down tothe river and do a sort of a
wishing well type thing?
SPEAKER_01 (16:43):
Right.
SPEAKER_06 (16:44):
What helps you pick those things, that style?
I mean, and again, I'll admitmost witches find a style that
they like that works for themand they stick with it a lot of
times.
SPEAKER_02 (16:56):
A lot of times, yeah.
Yeah, I think that's you like Ithink that's trial and error.
If you know, I've done somethings that interested me at the
time, found I didn't really likethe way it worked, and tried
something else.
You know, I I think trial anderror is the best way to figure
out what works best for you.
SPEAKER_06 (17:16):
Do you think it's fun?
Do you think it's more fun ormore intense when you have to
pre-do something for a spell?
Like if you're gonna, if you'regonna use a witch's ladder, all
right, which is nothing morethan taking some cords, braiding
them together, and then takingthat braid and start tying
objects into it, you know,feathers, stones, uh, other
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things that make you think ofwhat in the world the spell is.
By and the idea here is by doingthis, by doing the actions and
thinking about what you'redoing, each thing you're doing
is putting more and more energyinto this thing.
SPEAKER_01 (17:53):
Right.
SPEAKER_06 (17:54):
You know, and what you do with it afterwards is
either A, you hang it upsomewhere where you can see it
all the time, or you take it outto the yard and bury it, or even
sometimes even throw them intorivers and stuff like that, let
them be carried away and natureto unravel it.
SPEAKER_01 (18:12):
Right.
SPEAKER_06 (18:13):
So uh what what what makes you well?
I guess what makes you picksomething like that versus just
doing, you know, going outsideand taking bird seeds and
spreading them on the ground toin a symbol that you think best
represents what in the world youwant and charging that up just
for the birds to carry off thespell to make it work.
SPEAKER_02 (18:34):
Well, I think I think it depends on what your
goal is and how and how investedin that goal you are.
But I also think that if you'reif you're doing a spell for
something, you're already gonnabe pretty invested in the goal.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, so I do find that whenyou're doing things and it's
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repetitive in nature, like doingthe witch's ladder, it can help
put you in a in a frame of mindwhere um where each action
reinforces that goal.
unknown (19:12):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (19:12):
And I think and I think in some ways it can be
more powerful.
If you don't have time to dothat, that's a different story.
SPEAKER_06 (19:19):
Right.
Well then the one thing, no, theone thing I will sit here and
say, you should always do beforecasting a spell is do a reading
on the spell itself.
SPEAKER_02 (19:31):
Of some kind, yeah.
You need to meditate, you needto do a reading, you need to do
some type of divination.
SPEAKER_06 (19:36):
You need to do some form of divination.
Is this is it even worth doingthe spell or not?
All right, or or trying tofigure out, you know, okay, if I
do this spell, what's gonnahappen?
Give yourself sort of a heads upto even, like I said, to see if
it's even worth it, becauseagain, there's a lot of spells
where you go and do it and youyou have unintentioned
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consequences.
Our famous one we like to use isthe lady that wanted the fresh
start, and then wounds up, youknow, her whole family pretty
much abandons her and she's justleft with her clothes in the
car.
And then when she asks,everybody's kind of like, Well,
how much more of a fresh resortdo you need?
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You know, again, again, thingsyou gotta think about, you know.
SPEAKER_02 (20:25):
Well, I I I was gonna say, I think in in
everything you do, even if youhave a pretty good idea that
it's going to work and that it'syou know that it will work in
the way it's intended to, youstill have to understand that
there is the chance ofunintended consequences in
everything you do.
SPEAKER_06 (20:46):
Well, well, again, we we talked, well, you just
said it earlier, you know, youyou do a spell for uh a job, we
believe it just puts your resumejust on top of everybody else's.
That's just as qualifying as youare.
Doing a spell for a job you'renot qualified to do might get
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you the job, but it's sure nornot going to keep you the job.
SPEAKER_02 (21:10):
Right.
Again, you still have to do yourpart.
SPEAKER_06 (21:14):
Right.
The the whole entire thoughtthere is you're out there,
you're putting that inapplications.
Nobody's gonna come to your doorand go knock, knock, knock.
Hey, I got this hundred thousanddollar job.
I I I came just to track youdown.
It doesn't happen.
Not in today's world.
You know, you get you got to beone of those highly intelligent,
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super genius.
Probably.
Which none of us are.
So what else can we talk aboutwhen it comes to spells?
I know we don't teach spell workand blah blah blah and all this,
but we don't tell people not touse spells either.
And we tend not to teach thembecause again, there's 50,000
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books out there.
Now we will teach magic theoryhow we think it works, but
that's about it.
SPEAKER_02 (22:03):
Yeah.
I think we've covered thebiggies.
SPEAKER_06 (22:09):
Right.
I mean, and again, if you'regoing out there just to cast a
spell every day, like, hey, I'mworking out, I I don't think it
actually works that way.
SPEAKER_02 (22:18):
Oh, you mean like a different one every day?
Like a seven-day challenge.
SPEAKER_06 (22:22):
Well, yeah, the well, you know, people were
doing for a while there, likeduring I think COVID, I kept on
seeing a lot of the spell adays.
Somebody, somebody kept on doingone spell a day, every day, for
like a year, and I'm like, okay,no.
Doing doing this is not helpful.
SPEAKER_02 (22:44):
Well, that's that's spreading yourself really thin.
Yes.
You've you've got too muchenergy that's divided in so many
different directions, it'snearly impossible.
SPEAKER_06 (22:55):
And you got and you and you got the possibility of
spells conflicting with otherspells.
SPEAKER_02 (23:00):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_06 (23:01):
So, you know, so forth and so on.
And how how do you know itdidn't work because you cast a
spell that just does thecomplete opposite of what you
just did?
Because you're too busy tryingto cast the spell instead of
thinking about what you'redoing, right?
And why?
SPEAKER_02 (23:18):
Mm-hmm.
So I I think that's I thinkthat's an important thing to
remember as well.
SPEAKER_06 (23:23):
You know, what can't a spell do?
There are, I mean, are spells,do you believe spells are just
completely 100% all the time?
You know, again, I've said thisbefore.
There I I've never seen a spellor anything that's gonna make
the earth start to rotatebackwards.
SPEAKER_01 (23:44):
Right.
SPEAKER_06 (23:46):
There's not too many spells that I know of that's
gonna get rid of a mountain.
SPEAKER_02 (23:51):
Right.
They're not gonna they're notgonna work against the laws of
physics, or anything like that.
SPEAKER_06 (23:56):
Spells are not a cure all, they can't fix
everything.
SPEAKER_02 (24:01):
No, they can't.
SPEAKER_06 (24:03):
Healing spells, while is great.
At some point, the healingspells don't work anymore just
because it's that time.
SPEAKER_01 (24:11):
Right.
SPEAKER_06 (24:12):
There are limitations on spells.
SPEAKER_01 (24:16):
Right.
SPEAKER_06 (24:16):
But again, you hear a lot of these people talking,
they're like, oh, it doesn'treally seem that way.
They sort of girt around thatissue a lot of times, or they
pretend like it doesn't thatthat limit isn't there at some
point.
SPEAKER_02 (24:33):
No, I I I think you do have to recognize that there
is a limit to everything that wedo.
So Right.
SPEAKER_06 (24:41):
Well again, you you you may cast a spell to find
love, but it doesn't help thatyou're not dating anyone or
trying to date anyone.
SPEAKER_02 (24:50):
Right.
You know, so I like I said, formost for most spells, I think
there's a bit of effort that hasto be placed on your part, or I
should say on the caster's part.
Right.
If you're just if you're gonnado it and not do anything
physically about say it's for ajob or you know, a situation or
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whatever, if you're not gonna doyour part to get out of that or
to change that, then thatspell's not gonna do you any
good.
SPEAKER_06 (25:24):
What's the point of me casting a spell to heal your
liver if you're just gonna goout and drink a fifth the next
night?
SPEAKER_01 (25:30):
Right.
SPEAKER_06 (25:32):
You know, I uh there is some responsibility there
too.
So, you know, how how does thatactually help?
Not changing behaviors justbecause you cast a spell doesn't
make no sense to me.
SPEAKER_01 (25:46):
Right.
SPEAKER_06 (25:46):
So again, there yeah, there's a little bit of a
psychological thing that yougotta do here.
You gotta sort of help yourself.
SPEAKER_02 (25:53):
Well, and I I've said it before, and it's
probably a hot take.
Me personally, I think spellsare it's uh it's a way to change
your mindset on something thatallows you to actually make said
change.
SPEAKER_06 (26:12):
The argument I want to get there is you know, most
spells we cast on ourselves totwist ourselves to get through
that shape that we need to getthrough that hole that's going
on there.
SPEAKER_01 (26:23):
Right.
SPEAKER_06 (26:24):
Get to the other side.
I just we're doing more toourselves than we are to the
actual physical world.
Yes.
When we cast spells.
SPEAKER_02 (26:34):
Yes, and I and I think that's the key takeaway to
the whole um idea of changingyour reality.
SPEAKER_06 (26:43):
Right.
It's literally changing yourviewpoint or your thoughts on
reality, not changing realityitself.
SPEAKER_02 (26:51):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_06 (26:52):
There is an objective truth in the world,
you know.
There are there they do exist.
The sky is blue, and yes, youknow, trees are green and brown,
and and I don't care how manytimes you sit there and try to
call a horse a cat, it doesn'tchange the fact that it's a
horse.
SPEAKER_01 (27:10):
Right.
SPEAKER_06 (27:11):
But I do hear a lot of people, and they seem to want
to talk about some of this stuffthat we do so abstractly and
forget that there is anobjective truth to reality.
SPEAKER_02 (27:24):
Hmm.
Well, I don't I don't think youcan.
I don't think you'll besuccessful that way.
SPEAKER_06 (27:32):
Well, I don't think you will either.
I mean, it is a problem.
I and I guess that's my hottake, you know, on all of this
is we got people out there thatdo that and want to make it and
want to make it seem like spellsand magics can fix everything.
When it really can't.
So all we can do is work onourselves.
SPEAKER_02 (27:52):
Well, I mean, that's know thyself.
SPEAKER_06 (27:58):
Go figure.
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SPEAKER_06 (00:26):
All right, so you go and you decide that you need to
cast a spell.
Now, again, we've talked aboutthis before.
In our arsenal of stuff, spellsare like the last tool that we
use.
SPEAKER_02 (00:39):
Right.
It's a last resort.
SPEAKER_06 (00:41):
It's a last resort.
All right.
It's not the first thing we pullout or we go, hey, just cast a
spell for this.
But when we just do decide tocast a spell, I think there's
some decisions.
And let's discuss how in theworld we make those decisions,
right?
SPEAKER_01 (00:58):
Sure.
SPEAKER_06 (00:59):
All right.
So you're casting a spellregardless of what it's for, all
right?
Well, I guess it really doesdepend on what it's for.
I think it does.
Depending on what you want todo.
I guess the first thing we needto decide is the length of the
spell.
How many days is it going totake us to complete the spell or
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not?
Is it a one-shot wonder spell oris it going to be a day spell?
SPEAKER_02 (01:31):
I was going to say, is it going to be done in
stages?
SPEAKER_06 (01:33):
Right.
I mean, because there are somespells that can last what, six
months to possibly a year?
SPEAKER_02 (01:38):
Sure, yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (01:40):
To some extent.
SPEAKER_02 (01:41):
You know, and well, I was going to say, I think when
it comes to that, I think that'sum that's a personal decision.
I mean, how much effort do youreally want to put into it?
You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_06 (01:55):
True.
Well, well, again, we we have wedo have items.
Like we have a jar that there'sa spell on to never make it
empty or full.
It's just a change jar.
And again, it's still apermanent spell, but every so
often we do reinforce the spell.
SPEAKER_01 (02:17):
Right.
SPEAKER_06 (02:18):
Sometimes.
Yeah, are you with me?
It's not we do it once a year oranything, but we do occasionally
reinforce it.
So is that still an is thatstill an ongoing spell that's
been going on for years now?
SPEAKER_02 (02:32):
Yes.
I mean, I mean it is, but I Ithink I think for something like
that, yeah, you're gonna have todo some reinforcements every
once in a while.
You know, if you've got a quoteunquote permanent spell going
on, I think you still need toreinforce it.
SPEAKER_06 (02:51):
You know, like like some people do that whole entire
spell where they have keys thatthey don't own the lock to, that
you touch each window and eachdoor, say a little incantation,
and then hang this all aboveyour door to help ward off
thieves.
Now, again, while we would sitthere and go, hey, you know what
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else wards off thieves?
Locking your doors.
Have an alarm system.
SPEAKER_01 (03:19):
Right.
SPEAKER_06 (03:21):
Ignoring all that for a second, but the idea there
is to give it a little extraprotection, right?
SPEAKER_02 (03:28):
Look at reinforcing on long-term spells.
Look at reinforcing likemaintenance on your house.
SPEAKER_06 (03:38):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (03:39):
You've built the structure, but every once in a
while you gotta go back and yougotta maintain it, otherwise the
structure's gonna fall.
SPEAKER_06 (03:46):
Yes, but my question is is since you're only doing
the spell for the for the sakeof argument for what we're
talking about here, once a year,is that each year it's a new
spell, or is it just that onespell keeps on going forever?
Are you are you see what I'msaying asking?
SPEAKER_02 (04:06):
It's it's a stack effect.
SPEAKER_06 (04:08):
I I'm not I'm not disagreeing with you.
SPEAKER_02 (04:10):
If you've okay, like with the with the change jar.
It's been set up so that itnever goes empty.
SPEAKER_06 (04:17):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (04:18):
So that's that's gonna, it's an ongoing, but
every once in a while, again,you gotta maintain it.
SPEAKER_06 (04:26):
Right.
I mean, again, there there's nocontract made here.
There's no you're not givingyour word or anything, so you're
not enslaving or bargaining withsomething else.
SPEAKER_02 (04:39):
No, we're not we're not we're not working with
outside entities or anythinglike that.
SPEAKER_06 (04:42):
Outside entities or anything like that.
So again, if you happen to missit one year or you know, a month
or you know, if you always didit in December and the next year
you happen to do it in January,it's not really gonna mess up
anything.
SPEAKER_02 (04:55):
No.
SPEAKER_06 (04:56):
The spell's just going to continue.
It's just refilling up theyou're we're looking at it more
like refilling up the gas tankat this point.
Yes.
We're going this long.
SPEAKER_02 (05:06):
Yes.
SPEAKER_06 (05:06):
All right.
Now, unlike if we were going todo if we were going to do a
healing spell, I I wouldprobably do a seven-day healing
spell versus just one shot.
SPEAKER_02 (05:20):
Okay.
Any particular reason?
SPEAKER_06 (05:22):
Because of the well, just because of the nature of
healing spells that, you know,you heal one thing and another
thing, and doing so it shows aproblem somewhere else and so
forth and so on.
SPEAKER_02 (05:35):
I gotcha.
SPEAKER_06 (05:36):
Healing spells also take a lot of energy and stuff
like that, too.
SPEAKER_02 (05:40):
Yes, they do.
SPEAKER_06 (05:42):
Doing a less intense healing spell for seven days
might be a little bit easier foryou to physically handle versus
a one-shot which is going todrain you all completely at one
time.
SPEAKER_02 (05:56):
Mm-hmm.
Yep, and that makes perfectsense.
SPEAKER_06 (05:58):
And which, you know, you that person might, depending
on the illness, might need allthat extra energy over a longer
period of time.
SPEAKER_02 (06:07):
Well, and it's also, I mean, you look at it, if you
expend it all at one time, thenyou're not getting the full
benefit, in my opinion.
SPEAKER_06 (06:18):
It's sort of like it's sort of like the doctor
sitting there telling you totake all you make sure you take
all your antibiotics, even ifyou feel better.
SPEAKER_02 (06:25):
Right.
SPEAKER_06 (06:25):
Well It's sort of the way I look at these
seven-day spells for healing.
SPEAKER_02 (06:30):
Yeah, but I was gonna say it would be kind of
like it would be like taking themaximum dose on something and
then having to wait an X amountof time before you can take
something else, because if youdon't, then you'll overdose.
SPEAKER_06 (06:44):
Maybe.
SPEAKER_02 (06:45):
So I think it's kind of like that.
So it's better to kind of spreadit out.
I mean, when you recover fromsurgery or whatever, you don't
do it all in one day.
So why would why would thishealing spell be any different?
SPEAKER_06 (07:00):
All right.
Well well, what about somethinglike a a job, a spell for a job?
I mean, are you gonna do aone-shot thing, or is this
something we're gonna do forseven days?
Or shoot, I've even seen thespells where in the world you
put a spell on a plant withmaybe coins in the dirt to, and
as the plant grows, yourprosperity is supposed to grow.
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And again, that's not that'smore of a long-term spell, and
what happens when the plantdies.
SPEAKER_02 (07:29):
Right.
Well, you know, that's somethingdifferent.
You know, I mean, you know, noteverybody's got green thumbs,
and no, but I think I think fora job, I don't know, I've done a
spell for a job, and I just dida one-shot deal.
unknown (07:52):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (07:52):
I had already put in all the applications, and the
only thing I was looking to dowas to increase my visibility on
those applications.
So um, you know, I wasn't tryingto push anybody out of the way,
even though I know I probablydid somewhere down the line.
But uh, you know, but doggoneit, I needed a job.
(08:17):
Yeah, I don't think you need todo a long drawn-out thing for
that, because again, forsomething like that, there's
your effort also has to be putinto that.
SPEAKER_06 (08:30):
All right.
Well, when we're consideringspells, the next thing we need
to consider is timing.
Correct.
I mean, again, why no, I don'tthink you necessarily have to
wait for a specific solarastrological event or moon phase
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or any of this stuff tonecessarily cast a spell, but on
the other hand, there's adifference between working with
the flow of water and trying towork against it.
SPEAKER_02 (09:06):
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_06 (09:08):
You know, sometimes sometimes spells have to be, and
sometimes it again, if it's forillness or sickness, you're not
gonna wait, you know.
I'm sorry, you you can't diequite yet.
You need to wait another monthuntil the full moon's back so I
can cast.
SPEAKER_01 (09:26):
Right.
SPEAKER_06 (09:27):
It's not something we're gonna do.
No, you know, again, if if youwere truly desperate to get, you
know, money or something likethat, you're gonna cast the
spell right now and not waituntil the right day of the week
and the time of day, sun hour,right, or the lunar phase and
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stuff like this.
But I also will sit there andtell you if you can wait and you
can work with nature, it'sbetter.
SPEAKER_02 (09:55):
Sure it is, yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (09:58):
But it's not necessary because again, I I
believe those things give aslight boost.
You can tap into energies thatyou normally can't.
SPEAKER_02 (10:06):
Well, sure.
I mean, you know, you you lookat uh surfers, they don't go
against the wave to you know toto actually ride the wave.
You can't do that.
But well, I mean you probablycould, but it's not gonna be
easy.
So I think I think in uh in alot of ways, yeah, it's the same
thing.
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It's always easier and it flowsbetter.
SPEAKER_06 (10:30):
When you're working with nature, right, when you
work with it.
And again, when we talk aboutall these cycles, well, we're
talking about like the lunarcycles, you know, from from a a
waxy moon, right?
You know, so a waxy moon goingfrom new to full is a good time
for spells to of increasing.
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Going from full to new is a goodtime to get rid of stuff, right?
Do spells of banishment andstuff like this.
SPEAKER_02 (10:59):
Typically speaking, yes.
SPEAKER_06 (11:02):
But we also see the same pattern within the larger
count or in the larger will ofthe year.
So, like anything after Sawin isconsidered the dark half of the
year, and this is a good time todo those spells to get rid of
stuff even without the moon'sinfluence.
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Regardless of the moon'sinfluence, that dark time or the
winter time and the fall time isa good time to get rid of stuff.
And if you are doing it withgetting rid of stuff during that
time, along with the timing itwith the moon going from full to
new, you get double the boost,sort of.
SPEAKER_01 (11:44):
Right.
SPEAKER_06 (11:45):
And of course, the same thing would be said for the
summertime and going from full,right?
SPEAKER_02 (11:51):
Right, from new to full, yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (11:53):
You know, and again, you I'm not sitting there
telling people don't sit upthere and look up the planetary
hours or don't use them.
I'm just saying if you got thetime and the patience to do
that, great.
But I think I've done it withfor one spell in my whole entire
life where it's it had to bedone between this time and this
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time.
And I was doing it for sevendays and I had to calculate each
single day where I was in thewas in the right planetary hour.
Now, how do we do that?
Now, just to ask, do youremember how to do that?
How to calculate the planetaryhours?
SPEAKER_02 (12:33):
Um, I don't offhand, but um, I'm sure there's plenty
of information out there.
SPEAKER_06 (12:41):
If I remember correctly, and you can tell me
if this sounds right, you takethe hours of daylight and divide
it by the number of planets,which are 12 or the 12 zodiacs,
or the or the planets, or by thenine planets, I believe.
And because the the planetaryhours do not match up with clock
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hours, they're not just 60minutes long, they can be longer
or shorter than that, dependingon the length of the day.
Hang on.
Yes, if we're gonna cut out thepart where we're doing research
in the middle of I don't know.
SPEAKER_02 (13:15):
All right, find sunrise and find sunset.
Okay, so you look up yoursunrise and sunrise for the
exact location of where you are.
Right.
SPEAKER_06 (13:26):
Right.
You need the length of day foryour location.
SPEAKER_02 (13:29):
So then you divide your daylight into twelve equal
parts.
Same thing for night.
SPEAKER_06 (13:36):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (13:38):
Each day of the week is ruled by a planet.
The first hour after sunrise isalways ruled by that planet.
So then you follow the Chaldeanorder: Saturn, Jupiter, Mars,
Sun, Venus, Mercury, and theMoon.
And then you repeat it.
SPEAKER_06 (13:57):
Right, because again, the length of day can
keep on repeating over and overas long as you got daylight.
SPEAKER_01 (14:04):
Right.
SPEAKER_06 (14:04):
Because again, day the length of day changes over
the year, so that changes howlong one planetary hour is.
SPEAKER_02 (14:13):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_06 (14:15):
All right, and then the same thing at night, because
again, when the night starts tolengthen, it changes and makes
them longer or shorteraccordingly.
SPEAKER_02 (14:23):
Yes.
SPEAKER_06 (14:24):
How complicated is this?
But again, what we're we'restarting to there here's this
line.
We're starting to get into thathigh magic.
SPEAKER_02 (14:35):
Yeah, it's well or slow magic.
Yeah, it's what we we call highmagic.
SPEAKER_06 (14:39):
High magic is it is what we're talking about here is
that you you you're gonna make aone out of a out of a tree or
out of the wood that bestharmonizes with the spell you
may use.
SPEAKER_02 (14:54):
Right.
So if you're gonna do that andyou're gonna follow this
pattern, then you need to findout what planet rules the wood.
Wood.
Right.
And then you need to find theplanetary hour for that planet
to do it during the day.
SPEAKER_06 (15:07):
So again, this is how complicated spells can get.
I mean, spells can get ascomplicated as waiting for
certain astrological events tohappen where certain uh star
constellations rise or at thesunset or at the sunrise, or a
certain planetary alignment, andstuff like that happens, all
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right.
So again, working with theseenergies can be that
complicated, or that or you canbe as easy as, hey, I'm just
gonna put this crap in a jar andsay a few words and bury it in
the backyard and it's done.
SPEAKER_01 (15:49):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (15:52):
I mean you can go as simple or as complicated as you
like.
You know, but uh but just keepin mind, just because it's more
complicated doesn't necessarilymean it's better.
No, and just because it might bea one-off doesn't necessarily
mean it's better either.
SPEAKER_06 (16:11):
No.
No.
But again, depending on whatyou're doing and why you're
doing it, you may decide to pickone of these.
Now, what about forms?
All right, and what do I mean?
Are you gonna do candle magic?
Are you gonna do a witch's ball?
Are you gonna do a witch'sbottle, or are you going to, you
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know, just take a coin down tothe river and do a sort of a
wishing well type thing?
SPEAKER_01 (16:43):
Right.
SPEAKER_06 (16:44):
What helps you pick those things, that style?
I mean, and again, I'll admitmost witches find a style that
they like that works for themand they stick with it a lot of
times.
SPEAKER_02 (16:56):
A lot of times, yeah.
Yeah, I think that's you like Ithink that's trial and error.
If you know, I've done somethings that interested me at the
time, found I didn't really likethe way it worked, and tried
something else.
You know, I I think trial anderror is the best way to figure
out what works best for you.
SPEAKER_06 (17:16):
Do you think it's fun?
Do you think it's more fun ormore intense when you have to
pre-do something for a spell?
Like if you're gonna, if you'regonna use a witch's ladder, all
right, which is nothing morethan taking some cords, braiding
them together, and then takingthat braid and start tying
objects into it, you know,feathers, stones, uh, other
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things that make you think ofwhat in the world the spell is.
By and the idea here is by doingthis, by doing the actions and
thinking about what you'redoing, each thing you're doing
is putting more and more energyinto this thing.
SPEAKER_01 (17:53):
Right.
SPEAKER_06 (17:54):
You know, and what you do with it afterwards is
either A, you hang it upsomewhere where you can see it
all the time, or you take it outto the yard and bury it, or even
sometimes even throw them intorivers and stuff like that, let
them be carried away and natureto unravel it.
SPEAKER_01 (18:12):
Right.
SPEAKER_06 (18:13):
So uh what what what makes you well?
I guess what makes you picksomething like that versus just
doing, you know, going outsideand taking bird seeds and
spreading them on the ground toin a symbol that you think best
represents what in the world youwant and charging that up just
for the birds to carry off thespell to make it work.
SPEAKER_02 (18:34):
Well, I think I think it depends on what your
goal is and how and how investedin that goal you are.
But I also think that if you'reif you're doing a spell for
something, you're already gonnabe pretty invested in the goal.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, so I do find that whenyou're doing things and it's
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repetitive in nature, like doingthe witch's ladder, it can help
put you in a in a frame of mindwhere um where each action
reinforces that goal.
unknown (19:12):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (19:12):
And I think and I think in some ways it can be
more powerful.
If you don't have time to dothat, that's a different story.
SPEAKER_06 (19:19):
Right.
Well then the one thing, no, theone thing I will sit here and
say, you should always do beforecasting a spell is do a reading
on the spell itself.
SPEAKER_02 (19:31):
Of some kind, yeah.
You need to meditate, you needto do a reading, you need to do
some type of divination.
SPEAKER_06 (19:36):
You need to do some form of divination.
Is this is it even worth doingthe spell or not?
All right, or or trying tofigure out, you know, okay, if I
do this spell, what's gonnahappen?
Give yourself sort of a heads upto even, like I said, to see if
it's even worth it, becauseagain, there's a lot of spells
where you go and do it and youyou have unintentioned
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consequences.
Our famous one we like to use isthe lady that wanted the fresh
start, and then wounds up, youknow, her whole family pretty
much abandons her and she's justleft with her clothes in the
car.
And then when she asks,everybody's kind of like, Well,
how much more of a fresh resortdo you need?
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You know, again, again, thingsyou gotta think about, you know.
SPEAKER_02 (20:25):
Well, I I I was gonna say, I think in in
everything you do, even if youhave a pretty good idea that
it's going to work and that it'syou know that it will work in
the way it's intended to, youstill have to understand that
there is the chance ofunintended consequences in
everything you do.
SPEAKER_06 (20:46):
Well, well, again, we we talked, well, you just
said it earlier, you know, youyou do a spell for uh a job, we
believe it just puts your resumejust on top of everybody else's.
That's just as qualifying as youare.
Doing a spell for a job you'renot qualified to do might get
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you the job, but it's sure nornot going to keep you the job.
SPEAKER_02 (21:10):
Right.
Again, you still have to do yourpart.
SPEAKER_06 (21:14):
Right.
The the whole entire thoughtthere is you're out there,
you're putting that inapplications.
Nobody's gonna come to your doorand go knock, knock, knock.
Hey, I got this hundred thousanddollar job.
I I I came just to track youdown.
It doesn't happen.
Not in today's world.
You know, you get you got to beone of those highly intelligent,
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super genius.
Probably.
Which none of us are.
So what else can we talk aboutwhen it comes to spells?
I know we don't teach spell workand blah blah blah and all this,
but we don't tell people not touse spells either.
And we tend not to teach thembecause again, there's 50,000
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books out there.
Now we will teach magic theoryhow we think it works, but
that's about it.
SPEAKER_02 (22:03):
Yeah.
I think we've covered thebiggies.
SPEAKER_06 (22:09):
Right.
I mean, and again, if you'regoing out there just to cast a
spell every day, like, hey, I'mworking out, I I don't think it
actually works that way.
SPEAKER_02 (22:18):
Oh, you mean like a different one every day?
Like a seven-day challenge.
SPEAKER_06 (22:22):
Well, yeah, the well, you know, people were
doing for a while there, likeduring I think COVID, I kept on
seeing a lot of the spell adays.
Somebody, somebody kept on doingone spell a day, every day, for
like a year, and I'm like, okay,no.
Doing doing this is not helpful.
SPEAKER_02 (22:44):
Well, that's that's spreading yourself really thin.
Yes.
You've you've got too muchenergy that's divided in so many
different directions, it'snearly impossible.
SPEAKER_06 (22:55):
And you got and you and you got the possibility of
spells conflicting with otherspells.
SPEAKER_02 (23:00):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_06 (23:01):
So, you know, so forth and so on.
And how how do you know itdidn't work because you cast a
spell that just does thecomplete opposite of what you
just did?
Because you're too busy tryingto cast the spell instead of
thinking about what you'redoing, right?
And why?
SPEAKER_02 (23:18):
Mm-hmm.
So I I think that's I thinkthat's an important thing to
remember as well.
SPEAKER_06 (23:23):
You know, what can't a spell do?
There are, I mean, are spells,do you believe spells are just
completely 100% all the time?
You know, again, I've said thisbefore.
There I I've never seen a spellor anything that's gonna make
the earth start to rotatebackwards.
SPEAKER_01 (23:44):
Right.
SPEAKER_06 (23:46):
There's not too many spells that I know of that's
gonna get rid of a mountain.
SPEAKER_02 (23:51):
Right.
They're not gonna they're notgonna work against the laws of
physics, or anything like that.
SPEAKER_06 (23:56):
Spells are not a cure all, they can't fix
everything.
SPEAKER_02 (24:01):
No, they can't.
SPEAKER_06 (24:03):
Healing spells, while is great.
At some point, the healingspells don't work anymore just
because it's that time.
SPEAKER_01 (24:11):
Right.
SPEAKER_06 (24:12):
There are limitations on spells.
SPEAKER_01 (24:16):
Right.
SPEAKER_06 (24:16):
But again, you hear a lot of these people talking,
they're like, oh, it doesn'treally seem that way.
They sort of girt around thatissue a lot of times, or they
pretend like it doesn't thatthat limit isn't there at some
point.
SPEAKER_02 (24:33):
No, I I I think you do have to recognize that there
is a limit to everything that wedo.
So Right.
SPEAKER_06 (24:41):
Well again, you you you may cast a spell to find
love, but it doesn't help thatyou're not dating anyone or
trying to date anyone.
SPEAKER_02 (24:50):
Right.
You know, so I like I said, formost for most spells, I think
there's a bit of effort that hasto be placed on your part, or I
should say on the caster's part.
Right.
If you're just if you're gonnado it and not do anything
physically about say it's for ajob or you know, a situation or
(25:15):
whatever, if you're not gonna doyour part to get out of that or
to change that, then thatspell's not gonna do you any
good.
SPEAKER_06 (25:24):
What's the point of me casting a spell to heal your
liver if you're just gonna goout and drink a fifth the next
night?
SPEAKER_01 (25:30):
Right.
SPEAKER_06 (25:32):
You know, I uh there is some responsibility there
too.
So, you know, how how does thatactually help?
Not changing behaviors justbecause you cast a spell doesn't
make no sense to me.
SPEAKER_01 (25:46):
Right.
SPEAKER_06 (25:46):
So again, there yeah, there's a little bit of a
psychological thing that yougotta do here.
You gotta sort of help yourself.
SPEAKER_02 (25:53):
Well, and I I've said it before, and it's
probably a hot take.
Me personally, I think spellsare it's uh it's a way to change
your mindset on something thatallows you to actually make said
change.
SPEAKER_06 (26:12):
The argument I want to get there is you know, most
spells we cast on ourselves totwist ourselves to get through
that shape that we need to getthrough that hole that's going
on there.
SPEAKER_01 (26:23):
Right.
SPEAKER_06 (26:24):
Get to the other side.
I just we're doing more toourselves than we are to the
actual physical world.
Yes.
When we cast spells.
SPEAKER_02 (26:34):
Yes, and I and I think that's the key takeaway to
the whole um idea of changingyour reality.
SPEAKER_06 (26:43):
Right.
It's literally changing yourviewpoint or your thoughts on
reality, not changing realityitself.
SPEAKER_02 (26:51):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_06 (26:52):
There is an objective truth in the world,
you know.
There are there they do exist.
The sky is blue, and yes, youknow, trees are green and brown,
and and I don't care how manytimes you sit there and try to
call a horse a cat, it doesn'tchange the fact that it's a
horse.
SPEAKER_01 (27:10):
Right.
SPEAKER_06 (27:11):
But I do hear a lot of people, and they seem to want
to talk about some of this stuffthat we do so abstractly and
forget that there is anobjective truth to reality.
SPEAKER_02 (27:24):
Hmm.
Well, I don't I don't think youcan.
I don't think you'll besuccessful that way.
SPEAKER_06 (27:32):
Well, I don't think you will either.
I mean, it is a problem.
I and I guess that's my hottake, you know, on all of this
is we got people out there thatdo that and want to make it and
want to make it seem like spellsand magics can fix everything.
When it really can't.
So all we can do is work onourselves.
SPEAKER_02 (27:52):
Well, I mean, that's know thyself.
SPEAKER_06 (27:58):
Go figure.
You're ready for I I I do knowone thing.
Are you ready for some coffee?
SPEAKER_02 (28:03):
I am ready for some coffee.
SPEAKER_06 (28:05):
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