April 30, 2025 • 28 mins
The path of divination holds many routes, each with its own challenges and rewards. In this intimate conversation with Brina, a first-degree member of Life Temple, we explore the personal journey of finding divination tools that truly resonate with your unique gifts and spiritual practice. The conversation reveals that successful divination depends less on the tools themselves and more on your mindset, preparation, and ability to access your intuition.
We candidly examine the challenges of various methods: runes demand memorization that can overwhelm visual learners, pendulums can be unconsciously influenced by our desires, and spirit boards require careful protection. Scrying stands apart as perhaps the most challenging yet purest form of intuitive divination, requiring practitioners to develop the ability to see beyond the mirror and access visions within their own minds.
The latter half of our discussion shifts to the power of names in magical practice. Choosing a craft name isn't simply about aesthetics—it's about understanding the energetic qualities you're inviting into your life. Brina shares her experience of selecting a name meaning "protector and defender," and how this energy manifested powerfully in her practice, sometimes requiring conscious balancing until reaching higher degrees.
Visit us at lifetempleseminary.org to connect with our community and discover more resources for your magical journey. What divination tools speak to you? We'd love to hear about your experiences.
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
Welcome to Pagan Coffee Talk.
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
Hi, welcome to Pagan Coffee Talk.
I got a special guest, Brenna.
Would you like to introduceyourself?
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Good morning, my name is Brenna.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
And Brenna, who are you?
You're a first degree.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
First degree Member of Life Temple.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Uh-huh, and that's it .
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Anything else.
You want anybody else tonight?
Just asking.
Pretty good start.
Sure a lot more come out as wechat along god, you look nervous
as hell never been up for me totalk as much as I do.
I've never been on a podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I know it's hard to believe I know, so let's talk
about different forms ofdivination.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Different forms of divination, all right?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Well, let's start with tarot cards.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Oh yes, tarot cards.
Those are my personal favorites, my personal favorites.
Tarot cards, though, leave alot of room for interpretation.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Well, that's the style in which you were taught,
though you were taught moreintuition.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Correct.
Reading than Correct, andthere's a lot of.
You've got to be careful too,in my own personal opinion,
because obviously every debtcomes with a guide.
You can even get cards, forexample, that have the meanings
written on them for you, becauseobviously every debt comes with
a guide.
You can even get cards, forexample, that have the meanings
written on them for you, butthat's not necessarily what the
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cards are telling you when youread them.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
So intuition and being in the right frame of mind
when you use the tarot cards orany divination tool is what's
most important I think, first,first and foremost, first and
foremost, all right, but whenpicking it, what?
What are we looking at?
I mean, I, I tend to like thetarot cards.
I'm like you, I like the tarotcards but, why not runes?
Why not scrying?
Why not?
There's more, so oh there'smany different forms.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
What made?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
you pick tarot cards over all the other forms.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
I was just drawn to it.
I can't and I think that's apart of everyone's personal
choice.
What are you drawn to?
I was just drawn to the tarotcards personally, and maybe it's
because I reflect a lot, I liketo think a lot, I like to look
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at every angle and the cards cangive you that guidance.
They're broad, they're not verydirect.
They can be very direct ifyou're very specific with your
intent.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
But they're not that direct.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
They're sort of yeah, they're not that direct.
They're sort of yeah, they'revery abstract, but you have to.
They can be direct if you'reasking a very specific, or
you're you're looking for a veryspecific answer or guidance to
a very specific need or problemthat you're having.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
They can be yeah, but I mean there are some problems
with doing intuition readings,like we're told is if you're not
in the mood, if you're not inthe right head space, it's very
hard to correct.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I I.
I don't know how to explainthat if you're you have to be in
my, my own, personal practice.
Everybody is different,everybody is unique.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Everybody's path is their own but we all wind up
doing the same thing.
You're not going to go.
Do road rage to go to a partythan sit down and do a damn
terror.
Reading Correct Exactly.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Ground yourself.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Cleanse your area.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Set your intent, and that's true for any divination
tool.
Again, you don't want to haveparty music playing in the
background if you're trying tofocus on something serious and
solemn, and especially when youset your intent beforehand.
So you really have to be in theright frame of mind and to get
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there, you have to do certainsteps to put you in the right
frame of mind, and that'swhether it's tarot, whether it's
runes.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
I always found runes harder because you've got to
learn the individual runes firstand memorize those.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Yes, and if you're like me and have memory problems
, then issues with memorization,those could be more difficult.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
But if you've got somebody who is is is gifted and
has that type of photo,photogenic, photographic memory
those might be the way, lord mankept on trying to write a book
about runes, but he was tryingto do the runes like we did
learn the alphabet as kids a isfor apple.
But that's what he was tryingto do to the runes was to write
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them, so it would be easier totry to remember them.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
That would be helpful .
Speaker 2 (05:07):
You know this rune is for this.
This is what he was trying todo.
He was trying to make a damnkid's book, but with runes
instead.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
That would be an awesome.
I would be the first to buy it,because, again.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
I might actually remember them, I know and I'm
very visual.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
So I'm very visual, so I'm a visual learner, I'm a
graphic learner.
So, yeah, that would actuallybe something I'd purchase.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
That would actually be kind of cute, it would be fun
, but that was.
My only problem ever with runesis trying to remember them and
all this.
Sometimes I feel like whenmemorizing the meaning of them,
you sort of get influenced bysomebody else too.
There's very little room forthat intuition.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Right, right, and that's what you, you want to
pull from within.
Right more than Exactly, andthat's why I say be careful too.
Every, every deck of cards,every divination tool that you
buy, for instance, if you don'tmake it yourself, if you
purchase it from from from oneof your metaphysical shops,
they're going to come with aguide, they're going to come
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with instructions, but I alwayssay be very cautious.
Of course, if you don't knowanything about them, you need to
read the instructions you needto learn, but lean.
Like I said, learn from within.
You got to pull the informationfrom within and don't just take
every card for face value.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Now, out of all of these, there are two that are a
little bit more dangerous, iffytype of forms of divination.
One is the spirit board Ouijaboard thing and the other one is
pendulums.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Oh, I love a pendulum though.
Oh, I love a pendulum though.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yeah, the only bad thing about pendulums is when
you're a witch.
I find myself manipulating thependulum because I already want
the answer, so I can see myself-influence.
That pendulum's a whole loteasier.
Yes, I know there might be somepeople that can do it without
doing that, but I it's hard to.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
It's hard to because I think I do the same thing and
I use my pendulum a lot as well.
But you got to be careful withthose two.
They're very accurate and andthey will answer those specific
questions, but you've got to bemindful that time here, right is
not the same as over there andagain you these, these two are a
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little bit easier for you toinfluence, these two forms.
Correct.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
So, again, there's a higher level of doubt when you
get to the answers, I think.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
And that's why I use my pendulum for different types
of divination or different typesof specific answers that I'm
looking for.
It's it's not the type of toolthat you would want to use for
predictability per se.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
No, because again there's that whole time is not
the same no, I mean againfinding water on your property
or finding a lost object in yourhouse.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
That's really good for the whole pendulum thing to
help you narrow down are my keysin the house.
Are they even in the house?
Right right, that's a good tool.
Why does my pendulum keep onpointing to my vehicle I don't
get it exactly, but but you'reright, it can be easily
influenced too, if you're ifyou're not careful and and ouija
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boards are the same way, or thespirit boards they are.
I can see that a lot, especiallywhen you're, especially when
you're not careful, and Ouijaboards are the same way, or the
spirit boards they are.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
I can see that a lot, especially when you're messing
with or doing it with otherpeople.
It seems like the person withthe strongest personality or the
strongest will seems to alwaysget their answers that they
won't.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Well, and then there's the stigma associated,
too with the Ouija board,because you're directly talking
to spirit, or Because it's alittle bit more easier to
operate.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
You can get a little bit more.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Weirder stuff.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Again, you've got to be, I think, prepared before you
use that tool, especially anyother tool, with, with your
intent, with your space, settingup your space because, um, you
want to always be mindful andprotective of right making sure
that you've put all safeguardsinto place.
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If I'm saying what I need tosay, you're doing just fine.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Without saying Now let's talk about the now there's
one form I've put off for thelast, and that's scrying.
Oh yeah, all right Now.
Scrying's normally done infront of a black mirror, where
you have a light and you canbarely see it.
And just to let everybody know,you don't actually see the
images on the actual mirror.
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You see them in your mind perse, but scrying learning how to
scry takes you down a differentpath altogether it does and I
can't say well, I have to admitthat I haven't been very
successful.
Um with that, that's a weaker, aweaker tool for me well,
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believe it or not, here's what Ifound over the years.
If you practice it, if youpractice crying enough, you
start to get to the point towhere, when you don't have a
mirror, you can sort of do thesame thing.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
You know that thousand yard stare.
Yeah, that's literally the samemindset.
You sort of got to be in.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
You've got to get into that state, that state.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
So I think it's less about the mirror itself and more
about us that makes completeand total sense, because that,
because where I'm coming from iswhen you get to scrying.
You are pure intuition, notriggers, no nothing.
This, this is pure you.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Yes, you're pulling from completely within, within,
so any symbols, any feelings oranything.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
These are things that you need to interpret on what
in the world is going on there.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Yes, and there's not a guidebook for that.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
So let's, in totality , give me your list From the
best forms of divination to theworst.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Oh, oh gosh from the best to the worst, I guess.
Well, again, my, these are justmy personal preferences, right?
And I use, um, my, my tarotcards almost daily and, um, even
if it's just to pick a card, uh, for the day, to give me an
indication how my day's going,so I'm always going to put my
tarot cards at the top.
Then my pendulum is my go-to.
That's my cheat, again, becauseI do lose a lot of things, I'm
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forgetful.
So that's my quick go-to.
I need kind of a one and done.
I've got a quick question.
I need a specific answer, aslong as it's not associated with
any type of time or date.
that's my go-to Runes.
I like runes, I like the ideaof runes, but again, the memory
work.
I'm the kid that needs theinstructions right beside her to
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do the runes.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
And again, there's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Right, right, absolutely.
I understand a lot of peoplehave to do that.
And you've got to just withrunes or any type of divination.
You have to practice, you haveto continue working at it to get
better.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Right.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
And that's where I stand with the runes as well.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
I have to continue with it to get better.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
I mean, it's nice that you have your 50th deck of
cards, but until you actuallystart to use them, they're just
exactly dust collectors, exactly.
And then, of course, thescrying would be, um, the most
challenging for me, right, themost challenging, and, and I
guess too, because in, you know,today's world, every
everybody's schedule is so busy.
I know me personally I'mraising two boys on my own, so
I'm always doing something afterwork, taking somebody somewhere
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, doing dinner, preparing forthe next day.
So sometimes it's hard to findthe time that I think is
involved for scrying, that youshould dedicate specifically to
scrying.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Right.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Because to get into that state of mind it takes, it
takes some time.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Yeah, it takes some time you know, I've met some
really good fire, uh scryers oh,really I have for some reason,
I'm sorry.
It seems like fire is like theeasiest thing to hypnotize
yourself and I can buy thatbesides the black mirror.
I just it.
I always find it hard to do theblack mirror because the room
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has to be in a certain lightingand it's very hard to get the
ambiance just right to do that.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Yes, and fire is one of, I think, the strongest
elements and I could get veryhypnotized by that.
I'm sure that's my element.
Really, really, really.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
That's my element, really, really, really.
Never would have known that Alittle bit A little bit Anything
else you can think of ondivination.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Well and again, we just named some popular things,
but intuition comes from within.
Is it handy to have a deck ofcards?
Absolutely yeah.
Is it easy to have some deck ofcards?
Absolutely yeah.
Is it easy, um, to have somerooms and a guidebook?
But I think, overall, sometimes, when you seek the answers that
you, that you're looking for,or if you need guidance on a
particular topic, meditate,meditate, um I wonder where you
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learned that from.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
I know.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Don't overcomplicate things, Don't overthink.
Sometimes it can be as simpleas spending some time with
yourself meditating and you canfind those answers.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
There was.
I take that back.
There is one other form ofdivination it is like the
hardest one I think of andthat's using omens or portents
using omens or portents you?
You have no.
No, the cloud in the sky lookslike a skull.
There's somebody's gonna die.
Oh, there's a ring around themoon.
Oh yeah, two birds flew into myhouse.
That means somebody's good ohyeah, I can never remember them
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all I can't either.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
I can't either.
Um, I can't either.
And again, that's one of those.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
I'd have to write it down or call somebody and ask no
, that would be the one I wouldhave to sit down.
I've got to have a book.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Yeah, the significance of.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
The significance of dropping a fork on the floor.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Means.
You have arthritis, you idiot.
Exactly, you tripped.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
In my case, you tripped.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Pick it up you know, or the old one.
The one I do remember is ifyou're at the dinner table and
somebody knocks your chair over,they've been lying while
they're sitting at the table.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Oh, interesting, I did not know that one.
And if you leave your cabinetdoors open, people will gossip
about you.
Oh, mine never shut must be allthat could explain all that
ringing in the ears that I'vebeen hearing lately all that
sneezing I live in an old houseso the cabinets don't shut all
the time, really good well, sonow I know the reason, paying
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attention now alright aboutready for some coffee, I think
so I think so this has been neat, very great.
Thank you for having me.
I love it great for you to behere paying attention now, all
right About ready for somecoffee?
I think so.
I think so.
This has been neat, very great.
Thank you for having me, I loveit Great for you to be here.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Hi, I still have Brenda here with me.
We're going to pick a differentsubject, so let's talk about
names.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Names Craft names.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
All right.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Craft names.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
At some point at names, craft names Alright,
craft names.
At some point.
At some point, everybody incraft seems to pick a name For
us and our tradition.
It's normally you get yourfirst name at first degree,
correct?
Let's see there are littleprotocol things here.
Alright, let's deal with that,alright.
Now again, the majority of thetimes if you hear somebody
introduce themselves with threenames, you're probably dealing
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with third degree, correct.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
All right, because in a certain tradition, with each
degree we pick up a new name.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Right, which is our tradition.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Again not completely followed.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Right.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Everybody's different .
Speaker 3 (17:01):
It just happens to be our path.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
It just happens to be our path, and both the words
Lord and Lady are used as titlefor our high priest and
priestesses and anyone oversecond degree or more.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
They are not part of your name.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Correct.
All right At the end of the day, nobody is Lady whatever, or
Lord whatever.
Right, that's not.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
That's not.
That's a title like Sir, or mrs, mrs, mr mr or reverend or
pastor right okay, so now thatwe got that out of the way, yes,
how do we pick?
Speaker 3 (17:40):
our names very carefully and I cannot stress
enough, especially in retrospect, how carefully you need to
select your name.
There's a lot of factors, ofcourse.
You want to definitely researchthe meaning behind that name
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you said that.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
so what surprises did you get that maybe high priest
and priestesses warned you aboutahead of time and you decided
to ignore us anyway?
Speaker 3 (18:13):
I think y'all think it's funny sometimes too.
Well, there have been those,some names that y'all outright I
wouldn't say denied, but youknow other members have really
had a strong opinion of, butbecause of the meanings, were so
forceful, highly cautionedagainst using those.
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And now, as a first degree, I'munderstanding why.
Yeah, for example, mine.
The meaning behind my name isprotector and defender, and
which seems like positiveattributes.
Oh yes everyone wants to havethat, you know, protective and
defensive trait to theirpersonality, especially for
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loved ones that they knowhowever.
However, there's a however thereis a, however, it's very strong
.
I'm trying to put it into orframe it correctly into the
right work, or put it into theright framing.
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Um, especially when you're afirst degree, you don't have
those other degrees to balanceyou out yes.
So that's why it's veryimportant, especially at the
first degree level, to know whatyou're choosing, because you're
not going to get that balance,for example, until you've
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achieved your second degree oryour third degree.
And so, in my own personalexperience, the meaning
protector, defender you can kindof take that to the extreme yes
and that's what you want to bemindful of when you, when you
choose a name that, even thoughit may seem like a very positive
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attribute to have, it may seemlike a very well let me pick on
a name because I just I lovethis person and the name that
they picked to begin with yeahthat got turned down yes, all,
right all right, okay, but whenyou come to me with the name
tempest and you're already sortof tornado and yes, no, we're
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not gonna sit there and go yeah,there's the name for you yes, I
know there's a strong pull andbut yes, and I can, I can, I can
second that.
That was my spiritual mother,um, that you're talking about,
and, and, and she was already by.
By definition, she already hadthose attributes.
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So for her to have beeninitiated for lack of a better
explanation with that would haveonly made those characteristics
explode, and they may or maynot have exploded in a good way,
and so that's why I think youguys kind of cautioned her to
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tone it down a little bit, andrightfully so.
But then part of me kind ofchuckles and thinks what if?
What would we have ended upwith?
Speaker 2 (21:21):
um, so that just scares me Because she was such a
magnificent priestess.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
But yes, lots of thought, lots of research.
There's some numerologyinvolved as well with picking
out your name.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
You can go that route .
Only I did with mine you canuse your birth name number to
kind of help you pick or narrowdown what might best suit you or
whatever, or your birth number.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Right, and I think that's what I did with mine.
I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Now I will never Well again.
First of all, in Life Temple.
We will never okay any namewhere you're naming yourself
after a god or someone ofexactly great importance.
We will never have a merlin orhillis or right, I mean, these
names are just too synonymousexactly, and it puts a lot of
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pressure on the person to liveup to them a lot I think I've
only known one, lord Merlin.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Really.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
And yeah, he was something else.
Oh gosh, I would not even Imean he used to run around with
Lady Santana.
So if that tells you any ideahow Maybe he could carry that
off, then If he could hang withLady Santana, then maybe he
could carry off the craft nameof Merlin.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
But yeah, I couldn't see.
I don't want to say it'sdisrespectful because you want
to honor the different gods andgoddesses, but I know that
personally, for me, I wouldnever want to tackle Lilith, I
would never want to tackleHecate.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Now are you looking at a craft name different from
just a regular name?
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Yes, you do.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
All right.
Would you have a problem withif you would have named one of
your kids Apollo?
Or if you had a daughter, whatif you would have named her
Aphrodite?
In craft circles?
This is a little bit different,but we're just talking about
kids having parents.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
If I had a daughter and maybe wanted to name her
Lilith.
No, I think there's adifference In the secular world,
so to speak.
Again, that would be almostyou're naming them in honor of.
I'm naming my child or mydaughter Lilith in honor of.
That's different than me tryingto assume the name Lilith in
honor of right.
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That's.
That's different than me tryingto assume the name Lilith in
the craft.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
I mean because we don't use a lot of these nicer
names.
I think you don't right.
I'm trying to think of somebodyin Greek mythology, all the
mythology now, and I can't thinkof a single name Zeus uh again.
Do you really want to name?
You know, right, I mean, butwould you name your kid thor?
Speaker 3 (24:06):
yeah, yeah you know, I mean absolutely or brand we're
talking secular versus rightand but but these names.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
We believe words have power, so there is some
carryover there.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
I think so.
I think so, and we have hadsome who their secular name is
their craft name Right theirfirst degree craft name.
And because of the power andmeaning associated with their
birth name.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
And the fact that they had carried that name.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
All that time shows that they can hold up to.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
So just that, but I'm asking a question.
But then, on the other hand,are you actually even so?
Again, if you do have a kid andyou do name them Apollo, are we
putting them a little bit extra?
Speaker 3 (24:57):
pressure on there, or Maybe Are you?
But it goes back to, I think,the child, though the child is
only going to feel the pressureif the child believes in the
pressure to begin with, okay, ifthat makes any sense, but again
, then you have the parentssitting there going.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah, I named you after this, the hope you would
be.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Right, but you know, sometimes children don't follow
in the footsteps of theirparents.
You know, sometimes childrendon't follow in the footsteps of
their parents.
So I think the pressure is onlygoing to apply if the child
allows for that pressure toapply, and then some of them
might really dig it.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Wait.
I mean it's hard not to see thepower of names in mundane life.
I mean, how many Eugenes haveyou met that don't look like
what you expect.
I mean I'm not trying to beugly, but you.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
None.
They all look like a Eugene.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
You're with me, so I do wonder.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
I think it's very possible.
It's very possible.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
You know, maybe parents should maybe be a little
bit more careful what they nametheir kids A hundred percent, a
hundred percent, a hundredpercent.
Do you really want to put upwith that?
I mean because even just namingyour animals after deity
sometimes can be a pain.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Yes, yes, very true, very true.
Be very careful with that.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
So maybe this does affect even our mundane.
It does, but I still go back tothe the naming after deity is
not quite as taboo as what youwould.
What we would do in craft.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Or as potent Right, and especially as they're young.
I think you know, if I had adaughter named Lilith and she
chose to follow the same path asI did, then that might.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Well then I have to ask you.
I mean, you've got two boys.
You didn't name either one ofthem Merlin.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Correct.
Although one is named after aprophet We'll see.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
We'll see how that turns out.
You still have hope there.
We'll see how that turns out.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
So far that hasn't bothered him in the least.
So we shall see.
But yes, just to kind of circleback, be very careful and know
what it's going to bring intoplay when you choose your name.
That doesn't have to benegative.
For example, circling back tomine, you know protector and
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defender.
You just have to learn how tolive with your name, right.
Just like you have to learn howto live with you know anything
else and be cautious and knowingthat it can be a little
overwhelming and powerful attimes, right.
And you're going to have torein that in until you reach a
different level and can balanceit out, all right.
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So I think it's safe to sayjust be very careful.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Ready for some more coffee?
Speaker 3 (27:52):
I am ready for some more coffee.
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
Hi, welcome to Pagan Coffee Talk.
I got a special guest, Brenna.
Would you like to introduceyourself?
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Good morning, my name is Brenna.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
And Brenna, who are you?
You're a first degree.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
First degree Member of Life Temple.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Uh-huh, and that's it .
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Anything else.
You want anybody else tonight?
Just asking.
Pretty good start.
Sure a lot more come out as wechat along god, you look nervous
as hell never been up for me totalk as much as I do.
I've never been on a podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I know it's hard to believe I know, so let's talk
about different forms ofdivination.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Different forms of divination, all right?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Well, let's start with tarot cards.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Oh yes, tarot cards.
Those are my personal favorites, my personal favorites.
Tarot cards, though, leave alot of room for interpretation.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Well, that's the style in which you were taught,
though you were taught moreintuition.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Correct.
Reading than Correct, andthere's a lot of.
You've got to be careful too,in my own personal opinion,
because obviously every debtcomes with a guide.
You can even get cards, forexample, that have the meanings
written on them for you, becauseobviously every debt comes with
a guide.
You can even get cards, forexample, that have the meanings
written on them for you, butthat's not necessarily what the
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cards are telling you when youread them.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
So intuition and being in the right frame of mind
when you use the tarot cards orany divination tool is what's
most important I think, first,first and foremost, first and
foremost, all right, but whenpicking it, what?
What are we looking at?
I mean, I, I tend to like thetarot cards.
I'm like you, I like the tarotcards but, why not runes?
Why not scrying?
Why not?
There's more, so oh there'smany different forms.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
What made?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
you pick tarot cards over all the other forms.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
I was just drawn to it.
I can't and I think that's apart of everyone's personal
choice.
What are you drawn to?
I was just drawn to the tarotcards personally, and maybe it's
because I reflect a lot, I liketo think a lot, I like to look
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at every angle and the cards cangive you that guidance.
They're broad, they're not verydirect.
They can be very direct ifyou're very specific with your
intent.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
But they're not that direct.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
They're sort of yeah, they're not that direct.
They're sort of yeah, they'revery abstract, but you have to.
They can be direct if you'reasking a very specific, or
you're you're looking for a veryspecific answer or guidance to
a very specific need or problemthat you're having.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
They can be yeah, but I mean there are some problems
with doing intuition readings,like we're told is if you're not
in the mood, if you're not inthe right head space, it's very
hard to correct.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I I.
I don't know how to explainthat if you're you have to be in
my, my own, personal practice.
Everybody is different,everybody is unique.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Everybody's path is their own but we all wind up
doing the same thing.
You're not going to go.
Do road rage to go to a partythan sit down and do a damn
terror.
Reading Correct Exactly.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Ground yourself.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Cleanse your area.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Set your intent, and that's true for any divination
tool.
Again, you don't want to haveparty music playing in the
background if you're trying tofocus on something serious and
solemn, and especially when youset your intent beforehand.
So you really have to be in theright frame of mind and to get
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there, you have to do certainsteps to put you in the right
frame of mind, and that'swhether it's tarot, whether it's
runes.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
I always found runes harder because you've got to
learn the individual runes firstand memorize those.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Yes, and if you're like me and have memory problems
, then issues with memorization,those could be more difficult.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
But if you've got somebody who is is is gifted and
has that type of photo,photogenic, photographic memory
those might be the way, lord mankept on trying to write a book
about runes, but he was tryingto do the runes like we did
learn the alphabet as kids a isfor apple.
But that's what he was tryingto do to the runes was to write
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them, so it would be easier totry to remember them.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
That would be helpful .
Speaker 2 (05:07):
You know this rune is for this.
This is what he was trying todo.
He was trying to make a damnkid's book, but with runes
instead.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
That would be an awesome.
I would be the first to buy it,because, again.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
I might actually remember them, I know and I'm
very visual.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
So I'm very visual, so I'm a visual learner, I'm a
graphic learner.
So, yeah, that would actuallybe something I'd purchase.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
That would actually be kind of cute, it would be fun
, but that was.
My only problem ever with runesis trying to remember them and
all this.
Sometimes I feel like whenmemorizing the meaning of them,
you sort of get influenced bysomebody else too.
There's very little room forthat intuition.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Right, right, and that's what you, you want to
pull from within.
Right more than Exactly, andthat's why I say be careful too.
Every, every deck of cards,every divination tool that you
buy, for instance, if you don'tmake it yourself, if you
purchase it from from from oneof your metaphysical shops,
they're going to come with aguide, they're going to come
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with instructions, but I alwayssay be very cautious.
Of course, if you don't knowanything about them, you need to
read the instructions you needto learn, but lean.
Like I said, learn from within.
You got to pull the informationfrom within and don't just take
every card for face value.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Now, out of all of these, there are two that are a
little bit more dangerous, iffytype of forms of divination.
One is the spirit board Ouijaboard thing and the other one is
pendulums.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Oh, I love a pendulum though.
Oh, I love a pendulum though.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yeah, the only bad thing about pendulums is when
you're a witch.
I find myself manipulating thependulum because I already want
the answer, so I can see myself-influence.
That pendulum's a whole loteasier.
Yes, I know there might be somepeople that can do it without
doing that, but I it's hard to.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
It's hard to because I think I do the same thing and
I use my pendulum a lot as well.
But you got to be careful withthose two.
They're very accurate and andthey will answer those specific
questions, but you've got to bemindful that time here, right is
not the same as over there andagain you these, these two are a
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little bit easier for you toinfluence, these two forms.
Correct.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
So, again, there's a higher level of doubt when you
get to the answers, I think.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
And that's why I use my pendulum for different types
of divination or different typesof specific answers that I'm
looking for.
It's it's not the type of toolthat you would want to use for
predictability per se.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
No, because again there's that whole time is not
the same no, I mean againfinding water on your property
or finding a lost object in yourhouse.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
That's really good for the whole pendulum thing to
help you narrow down are my keysin the house.
Are they even in the house?
Right right, that's a good tool.
Why does my pendulum keep onpointing to my vehicle I don't
get it exactly, but but you'reright, it can be easily
influenced too, if you're ifyou're not careful and and ouija
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boards are the same way, or thespirit boards they are.
I can see that a lot, especiallywhen you're, especially when
you're not careful, and Ouijaboards are the same way, or the
spirit boards they are.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
I can see that a lot, especially when you're messing
with or doing it with otherpeople.
It seems like the person withthe strongest personality or the
strongest will seems to alwaysget their answers that they
won't.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Well, and then there's the stigma associated,
too with the Ouija board,because you're directly talking
to spirit, or Because it's alittle bit more easier to
operate.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
You can get a little bit more.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Weirder stuff.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Again, you've got to be, I think, prepared before you
use that tool, especially anyother tool, with, with your
intent, with your space, settingup your space because, um, you
want to always be mindful andprotective of right making sure
that you've put all safeguardsinto place.
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If I'm saying what I need tosay, you're doing just fine.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Without saying Now let's talk about the now there's
one form I've put off for thelast, and that's scrying.
Oh yeah, all right Now.
Scrying's normally done infront of a black mirror, where
you have a light and you canbarely see it.
And just to let everybody know,you don't actually see the
images on the actual mirror.
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You see them in your mind perse, but scrying learning how to
scry takes you down a differentpath altogether it does and I
can't say well, I have to admitthat I haven't been very
successful.
Um with that, that's a weaker, aweaker tool for me well,
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believe it or not, here's what Ifound over the years.
If you practice it, if youpractice crying enough, you
start to get to the point towhere, when you don't have a
mirror, you can sort of do thesame thing.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
You know that thousand yard stare.
Yeah, that's literally the samemindset.
You sort of got to be in.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
You've got to get into that state, that state.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
So I think it's less about the mirror itself and more
about us that makes completeand total sense, because that,
because where I'm coming from iswhen you get to scrying.
You are pure intuition, notriggers, no nothing.
This, this is pure you.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Yes, you're pulling from completely within, within,
so any symbols, any feelings oranything.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
These are things that you need to interpret on what
in the world is going on there.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Yes, and there's not a guidebook for that.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
So let's, in totality , give me your list From the
best forms of divination to theworst.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Oh, oh gosh from the best to the worst, I guess.
Well, again, my, these are justmy personal preferences, right?
And I use, um, my, my tarotcards almost daily and, um, even
if it's just to pick a card, uh, for the day, to give me an
indication how my day's going,so I'm always going to put my
tarot cards at the top.
Then my pendulum is my go-to.
That's my cheat, again, becauseI do lose a lot of things, I'm
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forgetful.
So that's my quick go-to.
I need kind of a one and done.
I've got a quick question.
I need a specific answer, aslong as it's not associated with
any type of time or date.
that's my go-to Runes.
I like runes, I like the ideaof runes, but again, the memory
work.
I'm the kid that needs theinstructions right beside her to
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do the runes.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
And again, there's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Right, right, absolutely.
I understand a lot of peoplehave to do that.
And you've got to just withrunes or any type of divination.
You have to practice, you haveto continue working at it to get
better.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Right.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
And that's where I stand with the runes as well.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
I have to continue with it to get better.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
I mean, it's nice that you have your 50th deck of
cards, but until you actuallystart to use them, they're just
exactly dust collectors, exactly.
And then, of course, thescrying would be, um, the most
challenging for me, right, themost challenging, and, and I
guess too, because in, you know,today's world, every
everybody's schedule is so busy.
I know me personally I'mraising two boys on my own, so
I'm always doing something afterwork, taking somebody somewhere
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, doing dinner, preparing forthe next day.
So sometimes it's hard to findthe time that I think is
involved for scrying, that youshould dedicate specifically to
scrying.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Right.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Because to get into that state of mind it takes, it
takes some time.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Yeah, it takes some time you know, I've met some
really good fire, uh scryers oh,really I have for some reason,
I'm sorry.
It seems like fire is like theeasiest thing to hypnotize
yourself and I can buy thatbesides the black mirror.
I just it.
I always find it hard to do theblack mirror because the room
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has to be in a certain lightingand it's very hard to get the
ambiance just right to do that.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Yes, and fire is one of, I think, the strongest
elements and I could get veryhypnotized by that.
I'm sure that's my element.
Really, really, really.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
That's my element, really, really, really.
Never would have known that Alittle bit A little bit Anything
else you can think of ondivination.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Well and again, we just named some popular things,
but intuition comes from within.
Is it handy to have a deck ofcards?
Absolutely yeah.
Is it easy to have some deck ofcards?
Absolutely yeah.
Is it easy, um, to have somerooms and a guidebook?
But I think, overall, sometimes, when you seek the answers that
you, that you're looking for,or if you need guidance on a
particular topic, meditate,meditate, um I wonder where you
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learned that from.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
I know.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Don't overcomplicate things, Don't overthink.
Sometimes it can be as simpleas spending some time with
yourself meditating and you canfind those answers.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
There was.
I take that back.
There is one other form ofdivination it is like the
hardest one I think of andthat's using omens or portents
using omens or portents you?
You have no.
No, the cloud in the sky lookslike a skull.
There's somebody's gonna die.
Oh, there's a ring around themoon.
Oh yeah, two birds flew into myhouse.
That means somebody's good ohyeah, I can never remember them
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all I can't either.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
I can't either.
Um, I can't either.
And again, that's one of those.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
I'd have to write it down or call somebody and ask no
, that would be the one I wouldhave to sit down.
I've got to have a book.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Yeah, the significance of.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
The significance of dropping a fork on the floor.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Means.
You have arthritis, you idiot.
Exactly, you tripped.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
In my case, you tripped.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Pick it up you know, or the old one.
The one I do remember is ifyou're at the dinner table and
somebody knocks your chair over,they've been lying while
they're sitting at the table.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Oh, interesting, I did not know that one.
And if you leave your cabinetdoors open, people will gossip
about you.
Oh, mine never shut must be allthat could explain all that
ringing in the ears that I'vebeen hearing lately all that
sneezing I live in an old houseso the cabinets don't shut all
the time, really good well, sonow I know the reason, paying
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attention now alright aboutready for some coffee, I think
so I think so this has been neat, very great.
Thank you for having me.
I love it great for you to behere paying attention now, all
right About ready for somecoffee?
I think so.
I think so.
This has been neat, very great.
Thank you for having me, I loveit Great for you to be here.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Hi, I still have Brenda here with me.
We're going to pick a differentsubject, so let's talk about
names.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Names Craft names.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
All right.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Craft names.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
At some point at names, craft names Alright,
craft names.
At some point.
At some point, everybody incraft seems to pick a name For
us and our tradition.
It's normally you get yourfirst name at first degree,
correct?
Let's see there are littleprotocol things here.
Alright, let's deal with that,alright.
Now again, the majority of thetimes if you hear somebody
introduce themselves with threenames, you're probably dealing
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with third degree, correct.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
All right, because in a certain tradition, with each
degree we pick up a new name.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Right, which is our tradition.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Again not completely followed.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Right.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Everybody's different .
Speaker 3 (17:01):
It just happens to be our path.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
It just happens to be our path, and both the words
Lord and Lady are used as titlefor our high priest and
priestesses and anyone oversecond degree or more.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
They are not part of your name.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Correct.
All right At the end of the day, nobody is Lady whatever, or
Lord whatever.
Right, that's not.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
That's not.
That's a title like Sir, or mrs, mrs, mr mr or reverend or
pastor right okay, so now thatwe got that out of the way, yes,
how do we pick?
Speaker 3 (17:40):
our names very carefully and I cannot stress
enough, especially in retrospect, how carefully you need to
select your name.
There's a lot of factors, ofcourse.
You want to definitely researchthe meaning behind that name
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you said that.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
so what surprises did you get that maybe high priest
and priestesses warned you aboutahead of time and you decided
to ignore us anyway?
Speaker 3 (18:13):
I think y'all think it's funny sometimes too.
Well, there have been those,some names that y'all outright I
wouldn't say denied, but youknow other members have really
had a strong opinion of, butbecause of the meanings, were so
forceful, highly cautionedagainst using those.
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And now, as a first degree, I'munderstanding why.
Yeah, for example, mine.
The meaning behind my name isprotector and defender, and
which seems like positiveattributes.
Oh yes everyone wants to havethat, you know, protective and
defensive trait to theirpersonality, especially for
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loved ones that they knowhowever.
However, there's a however thereis a, however, it's very strong
.
I'm trying to put it into orframe it correctly into the
right work, or put it into theright framing.
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Um, especially when you're afirst degree, you don't have
those other degrees to balanceyou out yes.
So that's why it's veryimportant, especially at the
first degree level, to know whatyou're choosing, because you're
not going to get that balance,for example, until you've
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achieved your second degree oryour third degree.
And so, in my own personalexperience, the meaning
protector, defender you can kindof take that to the extreme yes
and that's what you want to bemindful of when you, when you
choose a name that, even thoughit may seem like a very positive
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attribute to have, it may seemlike a very well let me pick on
a name because I just I lovethis person and the name that
they picked to begin with yeahthat got turned down yes, all,
right all right, okay, but whenyou come to me with the name
tempest and you're already sortof tornado and yes, no, we're
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not gonna sit there and go yeah,there's the name for you yes, I
know there's a strong pull andbut yes, and I can, I can, I can
second that.
That was my spiritual mother,um, that you're talking about,
and, and, and she was already by.
By definition, she already hadthose attributes.
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So for her to have beeninitiated for lack of a better
explanation with that would haveonly made those characteristics
explode, and they may or maynot have exploded in a good way,
and so that's why I think youguys kind of cautioned her to
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tone it down a little bit, andrightfully so.
But then part of me kind ofchuckles and thinks what if?
What would we have ended upwith?
Speaker 2 (21:21):
um, so that just scares me Because she was such a
magnificent priestess.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
But yes, lots of thought, lots of research.
There's some numerologyinvolved as well with picking
out your name.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
You can go that route .
Only I did with mine you canuse your birth name number to
kind of help you pick or narrowdown what might best suit you or
whatever, or your birth number.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Right, and I think that's what I did with mine.
I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Now I will never Well again.
First of all, in Life Temple.
We will never okay any namewhere you're naming yourself
after a god or someone ofexactly great importance.
We will never have a merlin orhillis or right, I mean, these
names are just too synonymousexactly, and it puts a lot of
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pressure on the person to liveup to them a lot I think I've
only known one, lord Merlin.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Really.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
And yeah, he was something else.
Oh gosh, I would not even Imean he used to run around with
Lady Santana.
So if that tells you any ideahow Maybe he could carry that
off, then If he could hang withLady Santana, then maybe he
could carry off the craft nameof Merlin.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
But yeah, I couldn't see.
I don't want to say it'sdisrespectful because you want
to honor the different gods andgoddesses, but I know that
personally, for me, I wouldnever want to tackle Lilith, I
would never want to tackleHecate.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Now are you looking at a craft name different from
just a regular name?
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Yes, you do.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
All right.
Would you have a problem withif you would have named one of
your kids Apollo?
Or if you had a daughter, whatif you would have named her
Aphrodite?
In craft circles?
This is a little bit different,but we're just talking about
kids having parents.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
If I had a daughter and maybe wanted to name her
Lilith.
No, I think there's adifference In the secular world,
so to speak.
Again, that would be almostyou're naming them in honor of.
I'm naming my child or mydaughter Lilith in honor of.
That's different than me tryingto assume the name Lilith in
honor of right.
(23:43):
That's.
That's different than me tryingto assume the name Lilith in
the craft.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
I mean because we don't use a lot of these nicer
names.
I think you don't right.
I'm trying to think of somebodyin Greek mythology, all the
mythology now, and I can't thinkof a single name Zeus uh again.
Do you really want to name?
You know, right, I mean, butwould you name your kid thor?
Speaker 3 (24:06):
yeah, yeah you know, I mean absolutely or brand we're
talking secular versus rightand but but these names.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
We believe words have power, so there is some
carryover there.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
I think so.
I think so, and we have hadsome who their secular name is
their craft name Right theirfirst degree craft name.
And because of the power andmeaning associated with their
birth name.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
And the fact that they had carried that name.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
All that time shows that they can hold up to.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
So just that, but I'm asking a question.
But then, on the other hand,are you actually even so?
Again, if you do have a kid andyou do name them Apollo, are we
putting them a little bit extra?
Speaker 3 (24:57):
pressure on there, or Maybe Are you?
But it goes back to, I think,the child, though the child is
only going to feel the pressureif the child believes in the
pressure to begin with, okay, ifthat makes any sense, but again
, then you have the parentssitting there going.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah, I named you after this, the hope you would
be.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Right, but you know, sometimes children don't follow
in the footsteps of theirparents.
You know, sometimes childrendon't follow in the footsteps of
their parents.
So I think the pressure is onlygoing to apply if the child
allows for that pressure toapply, and then some of them
might really dig it.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Wait.
I mean it's hard not to see thepower of names in mundane life.
I mean, how many Eugenes haveyou met that don't look like
what you expect.
I mean I'm not trying to beugly, but you.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
None.
They all look like a Eugene.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
You're with me, so I do wonder.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
I think it's very possible.
It's very possible.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
You know, maybe parents should maybe be a little
bit more careful what they nametheir kids A hundred percent, a
hundred percent, a hundredpercent.
Do you really want to put upwith that?
I mean because even just namingyour animals after deity
sometimes can be a pain.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Yes, yes, very true, very true.
Be very careful with that.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
So maybe this does affect even our mundane.
It does, but I still go back tothe the naming after deity is
not quite as taboo as what youwould.
What we would do in craft.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Or as potent Right, and especially as they're young.
I think you know, if I had adaughter named Lilith and she
chose to follow the same path asI did, then that might.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Well then I have to ask you.
I mean, you've got two boys.
You didn't name either one ofthem Merlin.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Correct.
Although one is named after aprophet We'll see.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
We'll see how that turns out.
You still have hope there.
We'll see how that turns out.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
So far that hasn't bothered him in the least.
So we shall see.
But yes, just to kind of circleback, be very careful and know
what it's going to bring intoplay when you choose your name.
That doesn't have to benegative.
For example, circling back tomine, you know protector and
(27:25):
defender.
You just have to learn how tolive with your name, right.
Just like you have to learn howto live with you know anything
else and be cautious and knowingthat it can be a little
overwhelming and powerful attimes, right.
And you're going to have torein that in until you reach a
different level and can balanceit out, all right.
(27:47):
So I think it's safe to sayjust be very careful.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Ready for some more coffee?
Speaker 3 (27:52):
I am ready for some more coffee.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Thanks for listening.
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Speaker 4 (28:14):
Discord, twitter, youtube and Reddit.
Don't admire, just hold my handas we pass by a sea of blazing
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morning breaks.
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(28:37):
So walk with me till morningbreaks.
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