June 4, 2025 • 18 mins
What truly happens during an exorcism? Does banishing negative energy require elaborate rituals, or could the power of human will be enough? These profound questions spark our exploration into spiritual possession, cleansing practices, and the psychology behind what makes us vulnerable to external influences.
When Christ expelled demons with simple commands rather than complex ceremonies, was he demonstrating something we all possess but rarely acknowledge—supreme authority over our spiritual experience? The contrast between ritualistic approaches and the pure power of self-belief reveals surprising insights about our inherent spiritual capabilities.
The conversation delves into whether "demons" exist as traditionally conceived or reflect something entirely different—perhaps ancient deities reframed by newer religions, or simply concentrated negative energies that feed on our despair and fear. Most compelling is our exploration of how psychological conditioning creates the illusion of powerlessness, mirroring abusive relationships where victims are systematically led to believe they cannot escape. This reframing suggests that even in cases of severe possession, the true barrier isn't supernatural but psychological—we've been tricked into forgetting our own power.
Fear itself undergoes a powerful reinterpretation as we recognize it not as weakness but as heightened awareness—a spiritual alert system designed to protect rather than paralyze. By reconnecting with unwavering self-belief and understanding the nature of our own consciousness, we discover that our most effective spiritual protection has always resided within. Join us for this consciousness-expanding conversation that might forever change how you view the unseen forces in our world.
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
Welcome to Peg and Coffee Talk.
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What's on your mind today?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Well, I was thinking about exercising my demons.
Why would you do that?
Well, I gotta get them to thegym somehow.
Oh, you mean exercise?
Oh, never mind, not exerciseExercises, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Bad joke All right.
So exorcisms, all right.
What do you want to know aboutexorcisms, or what do you want
to talk about, for?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
exorcisms Do you think we believe in them?
Do we do them?
Do we don't do them?
Speaker 1 (01:04):
I mean, we have some exorcisms in our coven book.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
But we've never used them, to my knowledge.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
No, I mean, do you believe it takes a that to
exercise something?
Does it take a ritual?
And I'm thinking, you know thewhole entire, young priest, old
priest.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Right.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
The holy water, yeah water, yeah pea soup, the whole
nine yards.
Do you think that is required?
Speaker 1 (01:33):
that's hard to say.
I mean most of what we seeregarding exorcisms.
Yes, it takes a whole involvedritual.
It takes, you know, a lot ofstuff involved, a lot of
preparation but yet hold on.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
I'm going to be a little bit mean here, but yet in
the bible, christ reached outand command the demons to leave
and go into the pigs and thepigs ran off with just a single
command no ritual right, andthat's kind of where I was going
with.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
that is even in the Bible, and I know I've said it
before Christ said you too cango and do the things that I have
done, right.
So if that's the case, then dowe really need the ritual?
Do we need all that stuff?
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Could we?
Speaker 1 (02:21):
not just go and command and be done with it.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Let me ask this question Is there a difference
between banishing and exorcism?
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I think so.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Okay, what do you think the difference?
Speaker 1 (02:33):
is.
I think the difference is anexorcism is essentially it's
killing off whatever is there,it's final, it's final, there's
no coming back from an exorcism.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Okay, no, no, because I want to sit here and say,
whatever is there, it's final,it's final, there's no coming
back from an exorcism Okay, okay, no, no Cause I want to sit
here and say this, so so, so youthink an exorcism is like you
know the whole supernatural,where they take the knife and
stick it in there and the demonsalready dead.
Right, we all know what in theworld I've been binge watching
lately.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah, essentially, essentially.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
So you think an exorcism kills off spiritual?
Speaker 1 (03:07):
beings.
I think it kills off the energy, all right.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Cut it off, it's gone .
I mean, it's kind of like myconcept of legion.
Any group of quote-unquotedemons is legion.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Right, it doesn't mean it's the original, but
Right Legion in that sense, tome is more of a title, it's more
of a, it's like a squad name,if you will.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I mean, if you want to look at this from demonology
and stuff, but most of themdemons and blah blah blah in the
Bible were actually ancientpagan gods.
Yes, absolutely so.
Do demons even really exist?
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Again, that depends on your particular religious
path.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Don't get me wrong.
I believe there are entitiesout there that live on death and
decay and despair.
Sure, I don't know.
And all those negative emotions.
I mean.
They are powerful energies inand of themselves.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
I just don't know if we can call them demons.
See, I don't either.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
I think there are dark entities out there, but not
.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
I think the name demon has its own set of
connotations that don'tnecessarily apply to entities
like you're talking about.
I think those would be probablymore like I don't know Death
Eaters from the Harry Potterseries, where it's just it's
what they do.
(04:35):
They feed off of that.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Trying to circle back .
We were talking about thedifference between an exorcism
ritual and us basically In abanishment Well, not a
banishment, but doing like whatwe said Christ did, where he
just deterred and it seemed tobe done through the sure fact of
will Right, where it was acommand, it was done.
(05:01):
Right where the other way is aprocess.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
You have to go through this ritual or I think,
and you said it perfectly, it'swill.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
It's will I mean, I'm like you.
I believe again, if you have astrong enough will, if there is
a quote unquote demon in there,you just tell them to sit down
and shut up, they'll obey.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Right.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I don't think they actually have a choice.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Well, I think it's kind of like, see, I see those
more as rebellious spirits,right, right.
So, it's kind of right, so it'skind of like.
It's kind of like your dog.
Yeah, you have to train yourdog, so sometimes you have to
train your spirits, right youknow, and that's where this kind
(05:46):
of comes in.
So so, yeah, it might be alittle bit of a process, but it.
But I see it as if your will isstrong enough.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
But I make a distinction, personally.
I make a distinction betweenspirits and ghosts, spirits, to
me, are beings that have neverbeen human but still live on
this plane somehow, where ghostsare beings that were used to be
human and died.
So again when I sit there andsay spirits, this is what I'm
(06:15):
talking about.
So if a spirit possesses you,your will alone is enough to say
leave.
Oh, absolutely.
What about the possessee?
Do they have the will and thepower to remove the entity
themselves After possession?
Okay, remove the entitythemselves after.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
After possession if you've allowed yourself to be
possessed, then chances are youdo not have the willpower to
depossess yourself.
Argument point we incarnate.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
It is literally the exact same thing just okay the
quote-unquote.
Other end of the spectral allright, here's.
Here's the difference, thoughand I can eject a god through my
will, just as much.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Here's the difference if you're just willy-nilly
going through life and youhaven't put up your guards or
whatever.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
If you're just allowing anybody to move in with
you.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Right, then no, I don't think you have the
willpower to get rid of that,Because you haven't.
You don't have the willpower todo your own life the way you
should, right.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I mean because I'm not sitting here.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna.
And in the instance ofincarnating, that's something
different.
That's literally saying, okay,I'm allowing you some space,
right, but understand, this ismy body, I am still in control.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
I can tell you to leave at any time.
Yeah, but mustering up thatenergy when it's going on is a
complete In the moment.
It's completely different thanus sitting here on the podcast
talking Well sure it is, it'seasy for us to sit there and say
the will it does take us.
It even takes me a little whileto gather up enough will to say
, okay, sure, it does.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
You need to leave, but the point is, you can still
do it yes, what's the differencebetween that and a
quote-unquote demon possessingyou?
Again, it's not something thatyou specifically said.
I'm gonna allow you some spacehere.
Come on in what but?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
but that's something you invited.
Okay, it's something that youallowed to happen let's go with
the big story, all right, thethe big story we grew up with
was the exorcist.
Okay, yeah, technically thegirl invited it in by playing
with the ouija board accordingto the storyline.
I know the real story wascompletely different.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
But again, my body, my will.
I still think the personpossessed can expel the person.
When you're being taken over bya demon like that.
They keep on tricking you intobelieving that you can't.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
So you won't.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
All right, I can see that, or did he sort of go.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Well, I'm not even going to pretend like you don't
even know what in the worldyou're.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
So you think it's possible for a possession to
happen.
Yes speaking of possession asin the Exorcist movie.
You think it's possible forthat to happen and still be able
to?
Speaker 2 (09:33):
expel, expel Because I believe on the inside, the
demons keep on tricking you tobelieve that you don't have the
will to do it, that you can't doit.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Okay, so you think it's in everybody that we do
have that will to do it.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
We have.
That will.
Everybody does, I believe it.
100 okay, but now it's justteaching people that they have
the ability to do that.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Okay.
But now what if say, in thecase of that movie, or you know
the, the story of emily rose,right, right, these were
children that right?
Do they have that will and?
Speaker 2 (10:19):
even if they do, what if the possession is so strong
that that person's personalitynever comes out?
I can see that being happening,but I believe it's after the
personality of the individual'sbeen beaten down by the demon.
It's an abusive relationship,no matter how, in a word, you
look at it, if it's a manbeating his wife or beating his
kids, it's the demon doing theexact same behavior.
(10:41):
Okay, are you with what I'msaying?
Speaker 1 (10:44):
All right, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
That you're instilling a psychological thing
there that don't really exist.
We're doing the whole entire uh, the elephants being able to be
, uh, tied by just simple ropesthat they could break, because
they were done this by chains.
They couldn't break, so theyassume they never can, right, so
they don't okay I believethat's how, in the world, these
(11:08):
possessions get that bad.
Is that you?
Speaker 1 (11:10):
But you still think that even if it's a child, they
still have that capability.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yes, but they have to keep them guessing and keep
them thinking that they can'tthey can't fight back.
There's no use in doing it.
Why write that note to yourcongressman?
It's not going to do anything.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
True.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
It won't change nothing.
But yet not doing it don'tchange anything either.
True, this is the argument Ithink we're having with this is
getting people to understand.
You have the ability.
You have to have the desire ofyourself to be better than
anything else.
And again, how do thesepossessions start anyway?
(11:55):
Normally it starts by kinks inour psychic armor, by things we
feel guilty about, and wenormally feel that guilt because
we allow other people to makeus feel like our decisions were
bad, when they're not.
They were right for us.
They might not be right for you, but they're right for us.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
What is it?
There's nothing so bad that alittle guilt can't make it
better.
Well, can't make it worse,right?
Speaker 2 (12:21):
There's nothing so good that a little bit of guilt
can't make it bad.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Yeah, there's the logic here.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Okay, make it bad yeah yeah, there's the logic
here.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Okay, and I believe this happens in possession.
If we have strong individualsthat are that are very sure of
themselves as individuals, I I'msure what I believe, what in
the world I, what's good for me,overrides whatever the hell's
going out there in the world Imean yeah, I can see that
(12:49):
because I can see this to where,biologically, we do the same
thing.
We always strive biologicallyto eat the right foods, to eat
what we need, to listen to ourbodies, what are we craving?
What?
Speaker 3 (12:59):
are we not?
Speaker 2 (12:59):
craving?
Why do we stop there and notcontinue on into the spiritual
what?
What do I need to hear?
What am I craving?
Right To become stronger.
Instead, we see ourselves asweak, frail.
Don't get me wrong.
There are certain sects of thepopulation.
Oh, you can't do nothing unlessGod tells you you couldn't
(13:22):
figure this out unless thealiens didn't tell you.
Right, Humans are not smartenough to figure out how to damn
stack two rocks on top of eachother without something greater,
telling us Right At what pointare we going to believe in
ourselves that we can do thesethings?
We can move, we can create, weare creative beings.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
We can create, we are creative beings.
Well, and I mean I keep goingback to biblical references God,
even Jesus.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Look, I don't even go that far.
I go as far as Mama Cass Singyour own song.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Well that, Even if nobody else wants to listen.
Well that, but I mean I go backto little sayings that you know
that actually meant a lot to megrowing up and even after I
left the church.
Yeah, jesus said if you havethe faith the size of a mustard
seed, anybody ever see a mustardseed.
(14:21):
If you haven't go see one,trust me.
If you have the faith of thesize of a mustard seed, you can
move a mountain.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
That right there should tell you you're capable
of anything.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
The human will is an unstoppable force yes.
That we do not wield this quitethe way we're supposed to all
the time.
No, we don't.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
We don't.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
All right, I see so many people sit there and we'll
sit there and watch one youtubevideo and then, the very next,
watch another youtube video thatsays the complete opposite, but
yet agree with both of themduring the timeline the world of
playing.
Yep, what the hell what thehell I mean.
And again, this is the mindset.
(15:07):
This is the mindset that allowsthese things to take over for
us.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Are you with me?
We're in the world we can agreewith anything, but yet we don't
know what in the world.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
We believe Yep and I think that becomes the root.
That's the open window, that'sthe open door.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yes, it becomes a door or a window into doubt.
Yes, and doubt is the oppositeof self-willed.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Right.
If you don't believe inyourself and you don't have that
confidence, you don't have thatself-assurance.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
And let me make sure I say this now there is a
difference between arrogance andconfidence Absolutely
Confidence to say, hey, I'mgoing to.
There is a difference betweenarrogance and confidence
Absolutely Confidence to say,hey, I'm going to go in there
and do the best I can.
I might fail Well.
I think, when arrogance is.
I'm going to do it perfectly,to start off with.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Yeah, I think confidence is not necessarily
saying something like I mightfail.
I think it's the understanding.
That's the understanding thatwe do have limitations, but it's
the confidence to say that I'mgoing to go in there and I'm
going to do this.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
It's that argument of we don't do things because we
don't fear.
We do things because we do fear.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
We just saw something .
Is fear misunderstood?
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yes, yes, fear is misunderstood, god yes, it is
Fear keeps us alive.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
People understand fear is not weakness.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
No, it's an awareness .
Speaker 1 (16:40):
It's an awareness, it's a strength.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Use it as such.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
If you are scared, you should be hyper aware right
now and watch your surroundingseven more.
Absolutely, that's what in theworld that feeling is telling
you.
You need to be on higher alert,right, because we want to be
safe.
Yeah, and again this comes downto our wheel.
What in the world will you putup with?
Will you roll over when theycome to your door and say hey,
(17:09):
hand over these things, or areyou going to sit there and go?
No, it's mine.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Right.
Are you going to be the doormat?
Are you going to be the door?
Are you going to be the door?
Think about that one.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
I'm ready for some coffee, all right.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
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What's on your mind today?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Well, I was thinking about exercising my demons.
Why would you do that?
Well, I gotta get them to thegym somehow.
Oh, you mean exercise?
Oh, never mind, not exerciseExercises, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Bad joke All right.
So exorcisms, all right.
What do you want to know aboutexorcisms, or what do you want
to talk about, for?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
exorcisms Do you think we believe in them?
Do we do them?
Do we don't do them?
Speaker 1 (01:04):
I mean, we have some exorcisms in our coven book.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
But we've never used them, to my knowledge.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
No, I mean, do you believe it takes a that to
exercise something?
Does it take a ritual?
And I'm thinking, you know thewhole entire, young priest, old
priest.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Right.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
The holy water, yeah water, yeah pea soup, the whole
nine yards.
Do you think that is required?
Speaker 1 (01:33):
that's hard to say.
I mean most of what we seeregarding exorcisms.
Yes, it takes a whole involvedritual.
It takes, you know, a lot ofstuff involved, a lot of
preparation but yet hold on.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
I'm going to be a little bit mean here, but yet in
the bible, christ reached outand command the demons to leave
and go into the pigs and thepigs ran off with just a single
command no ritual right, andthat's kind of where I was going
with.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
that is even in the Bible, and I know I've said it
before Christ said you too cango and do the things that I have
done, right.
So if that's the case, then dowe really need the ritual?
Do we need all that stuff?
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Could we?
Speaker 1 (02:21):
not just go and command and be done with it.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Let me ask this question Is there a difference
between banishing and exorcism?
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I think so.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Okay, what do you think the difference?
Speaker 1 (02:33):
is.
I think the difference is anexorcism is essentially it's
killing off whatever is there,it's final, it's final, there's
no coming back from an exorcism.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Okay, no, no, because I want to sit here and say,
whatever is there, it's final,it's final, there's no coming
back from an exorcism Okay, okay, no, no Cause I want to sit
here and say this, so so, so youthink an exorcism is like you
know the whole supernatural,where they take the knife and
stick it in there and the demonsalready dead.
Right, we all know what in theworld I've been binge watching
lately.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah, essentially, essentially.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
So you think an exorcism kills off spiritual?
Speaker 1 (03:07):
beings.
I think it kills off the energy, all right.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Cut it off, it's gone .
I mean, it's kind of like myconcept of legion.
Any group of quote-unquotedemons is legion.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Right, it doesn't mean it's the original, but
Right Legion in that sense, tome is more of a title, it's more
of a, it's like a squad name,if you will.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I mean, if you want to look at this from demonology
and stuff, but most of themdemons and blah blah blah in the
Bible were actually ancientpagan gods.
Yes, absolutely so.
Do demons even really exist?
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Again, that depends on your particular religious
path.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Don't get me wrong.
I believe there are entitiesout there that live on death and
decay and despair.
Sure, I don't know.
And all those negative emotions.
I mean.
They are powerful energies inand of themselves.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
I just don't know if we can call them demons.
See, I don't either.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
I think there are dark entities out there, but not
.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
I think the name demon has its own set of
connotations that don'tnecessarily apply to entities
like you're talking about.
I think those would be probablymore like I don't know Death
Eaters from the Harry Potterseries, where it's just it's
what they do.
(04:35):
They feed off of that.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Trying to circle back .
We were talking about thedifference between an exorcism
ritual and us basically In abanishment Well, not a
banishment, but doing like whatwe said Christ did, where he
just deterred and it seemed tobe done through the sure fact of
will Right, where it was acommand, it was done.
(05:01):
Right where the other way is aprocess.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
You have to go through this ritual or I think,
and you said it perfectly, it'swill.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
It's will I mean, I'm like you.
I believe again, if you have astrong enough will, if there is
a quote unquote demon in there,you just tell them to sit down
and shut up, they'll obey.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Right.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I don't think they actually have a choice.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Well, I think it's kind of like, see, I see those
more as rebellious spirits,right, right.
So, it's kind of right, so it'skind of like.
It's kind of like your dog.
Yeah, you have to train yourdog, so sometimes you have to
train your spirits, right youknow, and that's where this kind
(05:46):
of comes in.
So so, yeah, it might be alittle bit of a process, but it.
But I see it as if your will isstrong enough.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
But I make a distinction, personally.
I make a distinction betweenspirits and ghosts, spirits, to
me, are beings that have neverbeen human but still live on
this plane somehow, where ghostsare beings that were used to be
human and died.
So again when I sit there andsay spirits, this is what I'm
(06:15):
talking about.
So if a spirit possesses you,your will alone is enough to say
leave.
Oh, absolutely.
What about the possessee?
Do they have the will and thepower to remove the entity
themselves After possession?
Okay, remove the entitythemselves after.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
After possession if you've allowed yourself to be
possessed, then chances are youdo not have the willpower to
depossess yourself.
Argument point we incarnate.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
It is literally the exact same thing just okay the
quote-unquote.
Other end of the spectral allright, here's.
Here's the difference, thoughand I can eject a god through my
will, just as much.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Here's the difference if you're just willy-nilly
going through life and youhaven't put up your guards or
whatever.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
If you're just allowing anybody to move in with
you.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Right, then no, I don't think you have the
willpower to get rid of that,Because you haven't.
You don't have the willpower todo your own life the way you
should, right.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I mean because I'm not sitting here.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna.
And in the instance ofincarnating, that's something
different.
That's literally saying, okay,I'm allowing you some space,
right, but understand, this ismy body, I am still in control.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
I can tell you to leave at any time.
Yeah, but mustering up thatenergy when it's going on is a
complete In the moment.
It's completely different thanus sitting here on the podcast
talking Well sure it is, it'seasy for us to sit there and say
the will it does take us.
It even takes me a little whileto gather up enough will to say
, okay, sure, it does.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
You need to leave, but the point is, you can still
do it yes, what's the differencebetween that and a
quote-unquote demon possessingyou?
Again, it's not something thatyou specifically said.
I'm gonna allow you some spacehere.
Come on in what but?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
but that's something you invited.
Okay, it's something that youallowed to happen let's go with
the big story, all right, thethe big story we grew up with
was the exorcist.
Okay, yeah, technically thegirl invited it in by playing
with the ouija board accordingto the storyline.
I know the real story wascompletely different.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
But again, my body, my will.
I still think the personpossessed can expel the person.
When you're being taken over bya demon like that.
They keep on tricking you intobelieving that you can't.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
So you won't.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
All right, I can see that, or did he sort of go.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Well, I'm not even going to pretend like you don't
even know what in the worldyou're.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
So you think it's possible for a possession to
happen.
Yes speaking of possession asin the Exorcist movie.
You think it's possible forthat to happen and still be able
to?
Speaker 2 (09:33):
expel, expel Because I believe on the inside, the
demons keep on tricking you tobelieve that you don't have the
will to do it, that you can't doit.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Okay, so you think it's in everybody that we do
have that will to do it.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
We have.
That will.
Everybody does, I believe it.
100 okay, but now it's justteaching people that they have
the ability to do that.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Okay.
But now what if say, in thecase of that movie, or you know
the, the story of emily rose,right, right, these were
children that right?
Do they have that will and?
Speaker 2 (10:19):
even if they do, what if the possession is so strong
that that person's personalitynever comes out?
I can see that being happening,but I believe it's after the
personality of the individual'sbeen beaten down by the demon.
It's an abusive relationship,no matter how, in a word, you
look at it, if it's a manbeating his wife or beating his
kids, it's the demon doing theexact same behavior.
(10:41):
Okay, are you with what I'msaying?
Speaker 1 (10:44):
All right, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
That you're instilling a psychological thing
there that don't really exist.
We're doing the whole entire uh, the elephants being able to be
, uh, tied by just simple ropesthat they could break, because
they were done this by chains.
They couldn't break, so theyassume they never can, right, so
they don't okay I believethat's how, in the world, these
(11:08):
possessions get that bad.
Is that you?
Speaker 1 (11:10):
But you still think that even if it's a child, they
still have that capability.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yes, but they have to keep them guessing and keep
them thinking that they can'tthey can't fight back.
There's no use in doing it.
Why write that note to yourcongressman?
It's not going to do anything.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
True.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
It won't change nothing.
But yet not doing it don'tchange anything either.
True, this is the argument Ithink we're having with this is
getting people to understand.
You have the ability.
You have to have the desire ofyourself to be better than
anything else.
And again, how do thesepossessions start anyway?
(11:55):
Normally it starts by kinks inour psychic armor, by things we
feel guilty about, and wenormally feel that guilt because
we allow other people to makeus feel like our decisions were
bad, when they're not.
They were right for us.
They might not be right for you, but they're right for us.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
What is it?
There's nothing so bad that alittle guilt can't make it
better.
Well, can't make it worse,right?
Speaker 2 (12:21):
There's nothing so good that a little bit of guilt
can't make it bad.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Yeah, there's the logic here.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Okay, make it bad yeah yeah, there's the logic
here.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Okay, and I believe this happens in possession.
If we have strong individualsthat are that are very sure of
themselves as individuals, I I'msure what I believe, what in
the world I, what's good for me,overrides whatever the hell's
going out there in the world Imean yeah, I can see that
(12:49):
because I can see this to where,biologically, we do the same
thing.
We always strive biologicallyto eat the right foods, to eat
what we need, to listen to ourbodies, what are we craving?
What?
Speaker 3 (12:59):
are we not?
Speaker 2 (12:59):
craving?
Why do we stop there and notcontinue on into the spiritual
what?
What do I need to hear?
What am I craving?
Right To become stronger.
Instead, we see ourselves asweak, frail.
Don't get me wrong.
There are certain sects of thepopulation.
Oh, you can't do nothing unlessGod tells you you couldn't
(13:22):
figure this out unless thealiens didn't tell you.
Right, Humans are not smartenough to figure out how to damn
stack two rocks on top of eachother without something greater,
telling us Right At what pointare we going to believe in
ourselves that we can do thesethings?
We can move, we can create, weare creative beings.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
We can create, we are creative beings.
Well, and I mean I keep goingback to biblical references God,
even Jesus.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Look, I don't even go that far.
I go as far as Mama Cass Singyour own song.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Well that, Even if nobody else wants to listen.
Well that, but I mean I go backto little sayings that you know
that actually meant a lot to megrowing up and even after I
left the church.
Yeah, jesus said if you havethe faith the size of a mustard
seed, anybody ever see a mustardseed.
(14:21):
If you haven't go see one,trust me.
If you have the faith of thesize of a mustard seed, you can
move a mountain.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
That right there should tell you you're capable
of anything.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
The human will is an unstoppable force yes.
That we do not wield this quitethe way we're supposed to all
the time.
No, we don't.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
We don't.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
All right, I see so many people sit there and we'll
sit there and watch one youtubevideo and then, the very next,
watch another youtube video thatsays the complete opposite, but
yet agree with both of themduring the timeline the world of
playing.
Yep, what the hell what thehell I mean.
And again, this is the mindset.
(15:07):
This is the mindset that allowsthese things to take over for
us.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Are you with me?
We're in the world we can agreewith anything, but yet we don't
know what in the world.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
We believe Yep and I think that becomes the root.
That's the open window, that'sthe open door.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yes, it becomes a door or a window into doubt.
Yes, and doubt is the oppositeof self-willed.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Right.
If you don't believe inyourself and you don't have that
confidence, you don't have thatself-assurance.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
And let me make sure I say this now there is a
difference between arrogance andconfidence Absolutely
Confidence to say, hey, I'mgoing to.
There is a difference betweenarrogance and confidence
Absolutely Confidence to say,hey, I'm going to go in there
and do the best I can.
I might fail Well.
I think, when arrogance is.
I'm going to do it perfectly,to start off with.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Yeah, I think confidence is not necessarily
saying something like I mightfail.
I think it's the understanding.
That's the understanding thatwe do have limitations, but it's
the confidence to say that I'mgoing to go in there and I'm
going to do this.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
It's that argument of we don't do things because we
don't fear.
We do things because we do fear.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
We just saw something .
Is fear misunderstood?
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yes, yes, fear is misunderstood, god yes, it is
Fear keeps us alive.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
People understand fear is not weakness.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
No, it's an awareness .
Speaker 1 (16:40):
It's an awareness, it's a strength.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Use it as such.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
If you are scared, you should be hyper aware right
now and watch your surroundingseven more.
Absolutely, that's what in theworld that feeling is telling
you.
You need to be on higher alert,right, because we want to be
safe.
Yeah, and again this comes downto our wheel.
What in the world will you putup with?
Will you roll over when theycome to your door and say hey,
(17:09):
hand over these things, or areyou going to sit there and go?
No, it's mine.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Right.
Are you going to be the doormat?
Are you going to be the door?
Are you going to be the door?
Think about that one.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
I'm ready for some coffee, all right.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Thanks for listening.
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Speaker 3 (17:59):
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