August 20, 2025 • 24 mins
The tenets of witchcraft provide more than spiritual guidance—they offer a powerful framework for navigating life's complexities. In this thought-provoking episode, we explore the six principles documented by Sybil Leek that have become foundational across many pagan traditions: balance, harmony, trust, humility, tolerance, and knowledge.
What makes these tenets truly powerful is their interconnectedness. When facing challenges, examining which tenet feels weakest can identify the root cause of difficulties. Try this simple exercise: spend five minutes viewing your problem through each tenet and watch how quickly solutions emerge.
Ready to transform your approach to everyday challenges while deepening your spiritual practice? Listen now and discover how these principles can change your life.
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Speaker 1 (00:17):
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Alright, so let's talk thetenets of witchcraft okay these
were laid out years and years,and I don't even know how long
ago, by sybil leek, right um, inone of her books.
(00:39):
Uh, let's see if I can findwhat book that was Not offhand,
all right, but these are sixtenets that are commonly found
throughout most of paganism,right In one form or another.
Right Apparently.
They vary a little bit here andthere.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Different traditions do different things Right, so
again it does not surprise methat different traditions that
put the little tent on certainRight no of course not.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
I mean, it's what we do.
Yeah, right, yeah.
So let's take a look at the sixtents.
All right, right, we havebalance Right.
What does balance mean to youas far as witchcraft goes?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
As far as witchcraft goes.
This is this Again.
This is the idea of living yourlife in balance not overworking
, not underworking, notovereating, not under eating.
The whole entire thing of themiddle of the road is the best
and healthiest place to be.
Okay, yeah, over drinking isbad, we all know this, but
(01:40):
moderate drinking is okay, right.
So again, this is still backinto that.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Okay, again, when we're talking about balance,
we're talking everything of yourlife well, I was gonna say,
does that, does that simplyapply to mundane life, or does
this go into spiritual life aswell?
And if it does, well again.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I mean you're that that part of your life is just
like any other part of your life?
You need to give certain timeto worship.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Just like you, you got to go to work to make money
to that, which means you'regoing to have to, at some point,
get into your car and go to thegrocery store.
Well, again, same thing withreligion.
At some point or another,you're going to have to sit down
, you're going to need to pray,you're going to need to do your
meditations.
Again, back to balance.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Okay, all right.
So using all of that tocultivate a healthy life Right
All the way around, spiritually,mundane, physical, Right, I
mean, this has been part of.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
This goes all the way back to greek philosophy, of
course.
Yeah, you know about notoverdoing, and try to in all
aspects of your life right.
You know, the thought of doinganything to any extremes is bad
okay, okay, next in line we haveharmony well what?
Speaker 1 (03:07):
what does this mean?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
because this, this is kind of a vague term for a lot
of people if you're not at peacewith yourself, okay, all right,
this harmony is your harmony.
Not you necessarily gettingalong with other people, but if
you're not living a harmoniouslife, if you're not balanced, if
(03:29):
you're not doing these things,you're not going to be in a
harmonious place.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Okay, so this is more like an inward, this is like an
introspection To me.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
This has always been more of an introspection.
It is how you perceive what'sgoing on.
Gotcha, all right, theterminals and stuff that causes
us problems, that cause us tonot be harmonious when we do
stuff against our own values,okay.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Are you with me?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yep Causing guilt and blah, blah, blah that takes us
out of harmony with ourselves.
That takes us out of harmonywith ourselves and with
everybody else around us,because if you're not in harmony
with yourself, how in the worldcan you be in harmony with
anyone else?
Right?
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Are you with what I'm saying there?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
So again, it's the whole entire concept of if
you're going to love someone,you got to learn how to love
yourself first, right?
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Thank you, rupaul.
Right, thank you, rupaul.
Are there any signs?
So someone may not know thatthey're out of harmony with
themselves.
What are some signs that thismay be taking place?
Stress?
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Stress, okay, you being stressed a lot, maybe even
being depressed, because thesethings are taking you out of
harmony.
So it's going to put you in adepressive state.
It could put you in an anxiousstate of what the world's going
on okay, and this couldpotentially lead to blaming
others for certain things right.
(04:58):
Instead of seeing what you aredoing, they're not what other
people are doing, right, okay.
So, and again, this causesdisharmony because, again, if
you're depressed and you'reupset because I know, when I'm
in pain I'm a little bitgrouchier than normal, right?
So you know, it's just likebeing sleepy and hungry, I mean.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Right, all right so, and all of that, of course, can
affect your balance as well.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Balance as well, all right, you're going to notice
that theme through this.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
What no?
Say it as a song.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
No, never how one build on another.
I'm not right.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Good figure, what a novel idea.
Trust Right Now we hear a lot.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Perfect love, perfect trust.
But you got to trust yourselffirst.
You got to trust what you'redoing.
You got to trust what in theworld you believe in right.
This goes beyond trustingothers others, right, you got to
be able to again.
You got to be able to trustyourself before trusting anyone
else, right?
So if you're not a trustworthyperson, I don't expect other
(06:09):
trustworthy people to be aroundyou.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
How can you?
You know.
But now, that being said, trustis a hard one because if you've
had past experiences that havebroken trust, for whatever
reason, we're talking about adifference of trusting oneself
versus trusting other people,right but sometimes, sometimes,
(06:32):
dealing with other people canbreak your trust in yourself.
If you have enough negativeinteractions, it's going to
affect you mentally.
Well, again we're back to that.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
You got to bring in your balance.
You got to bring yourself backbalance.
You got to bring yourself backinto harmony Right To then get
back to where in the world youcan start to trust yourself
again.
But again this is a hard one.
It is a hard one and Iunderstand how in the world
other people may make us affect,but again, there's a difference
between trusting others andtrusting yourself.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Well, yeah, absolutely All right.
We talk a lot about you know,within our inner circles and
stuff.
We we talk a lot about trustyour gut, trust your instincts,
and how hard that is for somepeople to do, to do.
I mean, we all started at somepoint where we doubted ourselves
(07:26):
, right.
Same thing when you, when youstart anything new tarot cards,
a new job, whatever, whateveryou kind of doubt yourself a
little bit and you're like, eh.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
But if you go in and you have actual trust, if you're
going in and you trust yourselfthat you know what in the world
you know, all right, I'm sorryIf you're an experienced manager
, I don't see where managing oneplace versus another place
really doesn't change.
No, you see what I'm sayingOnce you trust yourself on doing
(08:00):
them and doing them withconfidence and with balance and
all that, it's a whole loteasier.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
I was going to say it does take having that level of
confidence to do what you needto do to trust yourself, right?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
I mean, I trust myself every day to get up and
stand in front of a kitchenstove and cook for myself, right
, then, I'm not going to poisonmyself, I'm not going to hurt
myself.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
I'm not.
I mean, are you?
Speaker 1 (08:27):
with me so again.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
We have to have that trust in ourselves.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Well, you know, and I go into a lot of different
facilities as a, as a traveltechnician I go into a lot of
different facilities as a, as atravel technician, I go into a
lot of different facilities andI know that every facility is
going to do things a little bitdifferently, right?
But I know I know my job, right, and my job doesn't change that
much ultimately betweenfacilities.
(08:52):
No, so I'm very confident inwhat I do and very confident in
what I do.
I'm very confident in what Iknow, right, so you trust
yourself to do these.
I trust myself to be able to gointo a brand new facility,
because you trust yourself,other people trust you
absolutely, I have seen thathappen, firsthand I I have I
work with a guy right now andhe's been doing it for a year
(09:14):
and he you know I'll saysomething to him about part of
the job and he'll be like youknow what.
I'm not going to argue with youabout that, because you know
what you're doing Right.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
So again, I'm like, no argue with me about it.
Yeah, but again, if you trustyourself, other people will
trust you too.
Absolutely yeah.
So what's next?
Speaker 1 (09:33):
All right will trust you too, absolutely, yeah.
So what's next?
All right, ooh, this is a goodone Humility.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
You know, as we just sat here and talked about being
confident in yourself and yourabilities, there is a difference
between being confident andbeing cocky.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Yes, all right this is overconfidence.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
This is by doing this , it causes you to not be a
trustworthy person.
Right, all right, which bringsyou out of balance.
Then starts you not being ableto be harmonious with yourself.
Right, which throws you out ofbalance.
Go for you, right.
I mean, because we all know, assoon as they walk in the door
and they are, you know, yes, Ihave my pilot's license and oh
(10:18):
God, yeah, and I just got to, Idon't care.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Yeah, Of course.
I mean, we all know thosepeople who they know everything.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Right, nobody can stand the Harper Valley PTA
people, right, all right, and wehave them in spades in this
world.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Oh yeah, yeah all right this is not what this is.
Humility is the completeopposite of that right.
It's knowing you have flaws.
It's knowing you make mistakes.
It's knowing that you don'tknow everything it's me sitting
here.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
While I'm sitting here going, I trust myself to
cook and not be able to killmyself.
But I am not no five-star damnshelf either.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Right so, but it also , it also as a teacher right as
an instructor to your students.
It also means your students aregoing to try to put you on a
pedestal and you can't.
You have to be at that pointwhere, no, don't do that.
I'm no different from you.
I put my pants on one leg at atime, just like you do.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Right, the only difference between me and my
students is the experience Ihave, and they will eventually
catch up.
Right the experience and thelevel of knowledge.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
That's it.
But that does not put me on apedestal.
It does not put you on apedestal.
Just because you have a degree,a master's degree or whatever,
does not make you no, it doesn'tmake you any better than
anybody else, and it doesn'tmake you wise about all subjects
, no, so we know what we'retalking about here when I
(11:50):
believe about humility.
I hope we do.
I don't want to be that person,person.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Well, I hate to be this way.
Doing this keeps you, themajority of the time, from
allowing your mouth to write acheck your ass cannot cover.
See, exactly All right.
I mean, I know a lot of peoplesounded great in the job
interview the whole nine yardsthey could do no wrong the whole
nine yards, they could do nowrong.
The whole nine yards they getin and everything they do just
(12:18):
falls apart, Right.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
They don't know the material, they don't know the
job, they don't know they don'treally have the skills to do
those jobs, or you know theyjust make so many damn mistakes
that it's obvious you don't knowwhat you're doing.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Right and again.
As soon as this starts tohappen, what are you going to do
?
You're not in harmony withyourself, you're not trusting
yourself.
All right, all the othertenants start to fall apart
because you didn't go back,because you need to go back and
start at the beginning.
Where did I mess up?
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Right, and again the little slogan that you said
before.
How many times growing up, whenwe were younger, did we do this
?
Oh yeah, and we learned thehard way.
Yeah, if you can't cash thatcheck, keep your mouth shut,
don't even try it.
Sometimes it takes a while tolearn that lesson.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Just saying you know, a little bit of humility goes a
long way.
It really does.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
It really does All right.
What we got next?
Tolerance, oh God.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
We need a lot of tolerance Okay.
Tolerance is not acceptance.
Acceptance no, let's get thatclear.
Tolerance is not accepted.
No, it is not.
There are a lot of people inthis world I cannot tolerate,
but yet I will sit here, atleast listen to what they have
to say right now don't get mewrong, I may be banging my head
up against the wall the wholeentire time.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Well, and by the same token, I don't like for me
personally.
I don't expect anybody else toaccept my religion, to accept my
beliefs or anything else aboutme.
I do expect them to tolerate me.
Right, because I tolerate themif my rights are infringed.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
your rights are are infringed Absolutely.
If yours are, mine are.
So again.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
So there is a difference, but now with
tolerance.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Tolerance gives you the ability to turn the page.
It gives you the ability to turnoff that station.
It gives you the ability towalk away from that person
speaking that you don't likewhat in the world they say,
absolutely All right.
It doesn't mean that you get tosit there and throw a freaking
hissy fit just because you don'tlike it.
(14:37):
That's what I was trying to putinto words.
Thank you, all right, and it is.
(14:57):
We see the same behavior a lotin society right now, where
everything, no matter if I don'tlike what in the world you say
either, it's this phobia, youknow, this hate speech, this,
whatever Right, that's nottolerance.
No, all right.
Shutting down speech is nottolerance.
No, it's not.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Tolerance is.
I don't agree with you, but youhave the right to say this
Right.
Tolerance also comes down to.
We may not agree with eachother, but we really should sit
down and talk, talk Calmly,rationally, rationally,
logically, have a discussionabout our differences.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
You know, learning tolerance is a very again, just
learning how to like I don'tknow stand, yeah, that takes
some tolerance to yes so again,this isn't something we're not
just, this is also physicalthings that we're talking about.
That too, absolutely.
And if we don't stretch, if wedon't push those boundaries.
We're talking about that tooAbsolutely, and if we don't
stretch, if we don't push thoseboundaries, we're not going to
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learn, no, and it's.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
It's kind of like a muscle the more you use it, the
better it becomes Right, thestronger it is, yes, and the
more you can put up with.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Yes, I mean, that's just the way it goes, you know.
You never know where that nextgreat idea is going to come from
.
And yes, it could come fromsomeone you don't like.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
So, sorry, yeah, sorry, notsorry.
Knowledge this is the last oneon the list, oh.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Lord, learning and learning and relearning, and
then learning what you'vealready learned again Right.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Because without knowledge we can't grow, we
can't continue to, you can't donothing Right.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
So it's one of the greatest powers we were given to
be able to think, to know, tobe able to bring concepts from
somewhere else and make themmanifest here right, and you
know it's the whole thing ofknowledge comes from making
mistakes and it's learning fromthose mistakes it comes from
experience yes comes from actualdoing yeah, well, I was going
(17:02):
to say it's not just mistakes,but it's everything else.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
It's your interactions with people, it's
your interactions with animals,it's um again it's all of this
again.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Anybody that's done the following if you've ever sat
there and watched a youtubevideo on cooking, about a recipe
or something, then you go to doit right again.
Person doing videos is probablya professional cook.
You're not, so it's not goingto come out quite right and we
know from experience.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
They'll say oh, it takes 30 minutes.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
No, plan on an hour to an hour and a half because
it's that's knowledge, thatstuff.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
You kind of sit back and you're kind of like, okay,
this is what I actually know,this is real knowledge, this is
what I actually know, this isreal knowledge, this is what I
can use, right?
So again, this is one of themost important of all of this
stuff If you don't sit down, ifyou don't learn, if you don't
have the tolerance to hear otherpeople's ideas, if you can't
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trust yourself, if you can'thave a little bit of humility,
all this stuff starts to fallapart, right, and you just
become this.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Well and see, you said that knowledge was probably
the most important out of allof them.
I kind of see it as it's adelicate chain here.
You're right.
And if any of these are out ofplace, You're not going to be a
happy person.
No, the others start fallingapart.
They, they break away from eachother, and and so I don't know
(18:32):
that you can put a definiteimportance on any one more than
the other because, but again,they're all a chain.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
But again, everything starts with knowledge.
Without the knowledge to do anyof this stuff.
Okay, I can see that, all right.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
So again, it's one of the first steps we have to
learn to be there, so you thinkthis should probably be the
first of the tenets.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Well, it sort of makes sense that it's at the
bottom of the list Because it'sthe foundation.
It's the foundation, Okay thatmakes sense, All right because,
again, if you're still nothitting these other ones before
you're getting the knowledge,you're really not going to get
too far anyway.
Well because, you're not goingto be able to deal with the
stress.
You're not going to be able todeal with the preponderance of
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information and all this otherstuff.
If you don't know how in theworld.
Okay, I need to take a break,right?
so because again trying to learntoo much too fast can be just
as much of a detriment.
Again about balance, balanceand harmony, balance and harmony
and trust, and amazing how inthe world all these connect, I
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know, and because it allconnects, it kind makes you.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Once you start realizing the connection between
all of them, it really makesyou analyze your life and see
what changes you can make.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
I'm just going to sit here and tell you all this.
If you're sitting there and youdon't like your job, you're in
a bad relationship with someone.
Something's not going quiteright in a bad relationship with
someone.
Something's not going quiteright.
Take five minutes and sit downand go over these tenants and
look at the problem throughthose and see what happens,
absolutely.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
I mean, it's a wonderful guideline for your
life Right.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
And remember you have to do these internally.
They're for you.
We cannot insist that otherpeople do these.
No, Are you with me?
So we can't put these tenets onother people.
You can only put them onyourselves.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Right, I mean we can put this out there, and it's out
there.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
It's out there.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
You can find these all over the internet, but it's
up to you, the individual, tointegrate these into your life,
into your practice, into your,into your life into your life.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Yeah, I mean, you got to practice these again.
Like I said, if somebody wouldtake like five minutes, sit down
and go through these tenantsand go, hey, here's the problem
I have.
Let's look, we're in the world.
Which tenant am I failing atthat's causing this problem?
Absolutely.
Which tenant am I failing atthat's causing this problem
Absolutely?
Yeah, is all we got to do.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
And again, we're fixing our own problems.
We've been given the knowledgeWe've been given tools to do
this and the tools?
Speaker 2 (21:17):
absolutely yes, all right, we have the ability to do
this stuff.
Here's another tool for y'allto use.
Do that?
Take a moment, look at aproblem, go through these
tenants and go where in theworld am I messing up right and
see what happens.
I think people will be moresurprised about anything else
that how fast they'll be able tofix their problem.
I think so too.
(21:37):
I really do.
It makes such good sense whenyou're sitting there kind of
like going through this andreading it and all this and
you're like okay, but untilyou're actually starting to
apply it when you apply this,I'm just gonna say it it's a
game changer yeah it really is,you know, I mean talk about, you
know, influencing your friendsand making friends and
(21:59):
influencing people.
This is the best way, I think,to do it.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
I think so, yeah, all right, but because, again, if
you trust yourself, if you havethe confidence, if you are doing
the balance, if you are inbalance with yourself and in
harmony with yourself, and youhave the knowledge to do all of
this.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
You will find other people less annoying.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
You will find other things not quite as Well, that,
and you will become that personthat people will flock to.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yes, you do this, you become that person that people
will flock to.
Yes, you do this.
You become that personeverybody wants to be around.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
You will just have this aura about you that people
want to be around.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Right, it happens, it does.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
I mean, it's as simple as that.
Now, if you're not a peopleperson, rethink.
No, not really, Just to let youknow if you're not a people
person you it?
Speaker 2 (22:47):
No, not really.
Just to let you know if you'renot a people person, you're
going to become one Right.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
So be prepared.
Use the tenets to prepareyourself.
You'll be fine.
You'll be fine Again.
Tolerance.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Why was coffee not on that list?
Speaker 1 (23:06):
I don't know.
We should get some Thanks forlistening.
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Alright, so let's talk thetenets of witchcraft okay these
were laid out years and years,and I don't even know how long
ago, by sybil leek, right um, inone of her books.
(00:39):
Uh, let's see if I can findwhat book that was Not offhand,
all right, but these are sixtenets that are commonly found
throughout most of paganism,right In one form or another.
Right Apparently.
They vary a little bit here andthere.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Different traditions do different things Right, so
again it does not surprise methat different traditions that
put the little tent on certainRight no of course not.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
I mean, it's what we do.
Yeah, right, yeah.
So let's take a look at the sixtents.
All right, right, we havebalance Right.
What does balance mean to youas far as witchcraft goes?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
As far as witchcraft goes.
This is this Again.
This is the idea of living yourlife in balance not overworking
, not underworking, notovereating, not under eating.
The whole entire thing of themiddle of the road is the best
and healthiest place to be.
Okay, yeah, over drinking isbad, we all know this, but
(01:40):
moderate drinking is okay, right.
So again, this is still backinto that.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Okay, again, when we're talking about balance,
we're talking everything of yourlife well, I was gonna say,
does that, does that simplyapply to mundane life, or does
this go into spiritual life aswell?
And if it does, well again.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I mean you're that that part of your life is just
like any other part of your life?
You need to give certain timeto worship.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Just like you, you got to go to work to make money
to that, which means you'regoing to have to, at some point,
get into your car and go to thegrocery store.
Well, again, same thing withreligion.
At some point or another,you're going to have to sit down
, you're going to need to pray,you're going to need to do your
meditations.
Again, back to balance.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Okay, all right.
So using all of that tocultivate a healthy life Right
All the way around, spiritually,mundane, physical, Right, I
mean, this has been part of.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
This goes all the way back to greek philosophy, of
course.
Yeah, you know about notoverdoing, and try to in all
aspects of your life right.
You know, the thought of doinganything to any extremes is bad
okay, okay, next in line we haveharmony well what?
Speaker 1 (03:07):
what does this mean?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
because this, this is kind of a vague term for a lot
of people if you're not at peacewith yourself, okay, all right,
this harmony is your harmony.
Not you necessarily gettingalong with other people, but if
you're not living a harmoniouslife, if you're not balanced, if
(03:29):
you're not doing these things,you're not going to be in a
harmonious place.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Okay, so this is more like an inward, this is like an
introspection To me.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
This has always been more of an introspection.
It is how you perceive what'sgoing on.
Gotcha, all right, theterminals and stuff that causes
us problems, that cause us tonot be harmonious when we do
stuff against our own values,okay.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Are you with me?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yep Causing guilt and blah, blah, blah that takes us
out of harmony with ourselves.
That takes us out of harmonywith ourselves and with
everybody else around us,because if you're not in harmony
with yourself, how in the worldcan you be in harmony with
anyone else?
Right?
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Are you with what I'm saying there?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
So again, it's the whole entire concept of if
you're going to love someone,you got to learn how to love
yourself first, right?
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Thank you, rupaul.
Right, thank you, rupaul.
Are there any signs?
So someone may not know thatthey're out of harmony with
themselves.
What are some signs that thismay be taking place?
Stress?
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Stress, okay, you being stressed a lot, maybe even
being depressed, because thesethings are taking you out of
harmony.
So it's going to put you in adepressive state.
It could put you in an anxiousstate of what the world's going
on okay, and this couldpotentially lead to blaming
others for certain things right.
(04:58):
Instead of seeing what you aredoing, they're not what other
people are doing, right, okay.
So, and again, this causesdisharmony because, again, if
you're depressed and you'reupset because I know, when I'm
in pain I'm a little bitgrouchier than normal, right?
So you know, it's just likebeing sleepy and hungry, I mean.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Right, all right so, and all of that, of course, can
affect your balance as well.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Balance as well, all right, you're going to notice
that theme through this.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
What no?
Say it as a song.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
No, never how one build on another.
I'm not right.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Good figure, what a novel idea.
Trust Right Now we hear a lot.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Perfect love, perfect trust.
But you got to trust yourselffirst.
You got to trust what you'redoing.
You got to trust what in theworld you believe in right.
This goes beyond trustingothers others, right, you got to
be able to again.
You got to be able to trustyourself before trusting anyone
else, right?
So if you're not a trustworthyperson, I don't expect other
(06:09):
trustworthy people to be aroundyou.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
How can you?
You know.
But now, that being said, trustis a hard one because if you've
had past experiences that havebroken trust, for whatever
reason, we're talking about adifference of trusting oneself
versus trusting other people,right but sometimes, sometimes,
(06:32):
dealing with other people canbreak your trust in yourself.
If you have enough negativeinteractions, it's going to
affect you mentally.
Well, again we're back to that.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
You got to bring in your balance.
You got to bring yourself backbalance.
You got to bring yourself backinto harmony Right To then get
back to where in the world youcan start to trust yourself
again.
But again this is a hard one.
It is a hard one and Iunderstand how in the world
other people may make us affect,but again, there's a difference
between trusting others andtrusting yourself.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Well, yeah, absolutely All right.
We talk a lot about you know,within our inner circles and
stuff.
We we talk a lot about trustyour gut, trust your instincts,
and how hard that is for somepeople to do, to do.
I mean, we all started at somepoint where we doubted ourselves
(07:26):
, right.
Same thing when you, when youstart anything new tarot cards,
a new job, whatever, whateveryou kind of doubt yourself a
little bit and you're like, eh.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
But if you go in and you have actual trust, if you're
going in and you trust yourselfthat you know what in the world
you know, all right, I'm sorryIf you're an experienced manager
, I don't see where managing oneplace versus another place
really doesn't change.
No, you see what I'm sayingOnce you trust yourself on doing
(08:00):
them and doing them withconfidence and with balance and
all that, it's a whole loteasier.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
I was going to say it does take having that level of
confidence to do what you needto do to trust yourself, right?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
I mean, I trust myself every day to get up and
stand in front of a kitchenstove and cook for myself, right
, then, I'm not going to poisonmyself, I'm not going to hurt
myself.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
I'm not.
I mean, are you?
Speaker 1 (08:27):
with me so again.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
We have to have that trust in ourselves.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Well, you know, and I go into a lot of different
facilities as a, as a traveltechnician I go into a lot of
different facilities as a, as atravel technician, I go into a
lot of different facilities andI know that every facility is
going to do things a little bitdifferently, right?
But I know I know my job, right, and my job doesn't change that
much ultimately betweenfacilities.
(08:52):
No, so I'm very confident inwhat I do and very confident in
what I do.
I'm very confident in what Iknow, right, so you trust
yourself to do these.
I trust myself to be able to gointo a brand new facility,
because you trust yourself,other people trust you
absolutely, I have seen thathappen, firsthand I I have I
work with a guy right now andhe's been doing it for a year
(09:14):
and he you know I'll saysomething to him about part of
the job and he'll be like youknow what.
I'm not going to argue with youabout that, because you know
what you're doing Right.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
So again, I'm like, no argue with me about it.
Yeah, but again, if you trustyourself, other people will
trust you too.
Absolutely yeah.
So what's next?
Speaker 1 (09:33):
All right will trust you too, absolutely, yeah.
So what's next?
All right, ooh, this is a goodone Humility.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
You know, as we just sat here and talked about being
confident in yourself and yourabilities, there is a difference
between being confident andbeing cocky.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Yes, all right this is overconfidence.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
This is by doing this , it causes you to not be a
trustworthy person.
Right, all right, which bringsyou out of balance.
Then starts you not being ableto be harmonious with yourself.
Right, which throws you out ofbalance.
Go for you, right.
I mean, because we all know, assoon as they walk in the door
and they are, you know, yes, Ihave my pilot's license and oh
(10:18):
God, yeah, and I just got to, Idon't care.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Yeah, Of course.
I mean, we all know thosepeople who they know everything.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Right, nobody can stand the Harper Valley PTA
people, right, all right, and wehave them in spades in this
world.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Oh yeah, yeah all right this is not what this is.
Humility is the completeopposite of that right.
It's knowing you have flaws.
It's knowing you make mistakes.
It's knowing that you don'tknow everything it's me sitting
here.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
While I'm sitting here going, I trust myself to
cook and not be able to killmyself.
But I am not no five-star damnshelf either.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Right so, but it also , it also as a teacher right as
an instructor to your students.
It also means your students aregoing to try to put you on a
pedestal and you can't.
You have to be at that pointwhere, no, don't do that.
I'm no different from you.
I put my pants on one leg at atime, just like you do.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Right, the only difference between me and my
students is the experience Ihave, and they will eventually
catch up.
Right the experience and thelevel of knowledge.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
That's it.
But that does not put me on apedestal.
It does not put you on apedestal.
Just because you have a degree,a master's degree or whatever,
does not make you no, it doesn'tmake you any better than
anybody else, and it doesn'tmake you wise about all subjects
, no, so we know what we'retalking about here when I
(11:50):
believe about humility.
I hope we do.
I don't want to be that person,person.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Well, I hate to be this way.
Doing this keeps you, themajority of the time, from
allowing your mouth to write acheck your ass cannot cover.
See, exactly All right.
I mean, I know a lot of peoplesounded great in the job
interview the whole nine yardsthey could do no wrong the whole
nine yards, they could do nowrong.
The whole nine yards they getin and everything they do just
(12:18):
falls apart, Right.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
They don't know the material, they don't know the
job, they don't know they don'treally have the skills to do
those jobs, or you know theyjust make so many damn mistakes
that it's obvious you don't knowwhat you're doing.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Right and again.
As soon as this starts tohappen, what are you going to do
?
You're not in harmony withyourself, you're not trusting
yourself.
All right, all the othertenants start to fall apart
because you didn't go back,because you need to go back and
start at the beginning.
Where did I mess up?
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Right, and again the little slogan that you said
before.
How many times growing up, whenwe were younger, did we do this
?
Oh yeah, and we learned thehard way.
Yeah, if you can't cash thatcheck, keep your mouth shut,
don't even try it.
Sometimes it takes a while tolearn that lesson.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Just saying you know, a little bit of humility goes a
long way.
It really does.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
It really does All right.
What we got next?
Tolerance, oh God.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
We need a lot of tolerance Okay.
Tolerance is not acceptance.
Acceptance no, let's get thatclear.
Tolerance is not accepted.
No, it is not.
There are a lot of people inthis world I cannot tolerate,
but yet I will sit here, atleast listen to what they have
to say right now don't get mewrong, I may be banging my head
up against the wall the wholeentire time.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Well, and by the same token, I don't like for me
personally.
I don't expect anybody else toaccept my religion, to accept my
beliefs or anything else aboutme.
I do expect them to tolerate me.
Right, because I tolerate themif my rights are infringed.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
your rights are are infringed Absolutely.
If yours are, mine are.
So again.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
So there is a difference, but now with
tolerance.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Tolerance gives you the ability to turn the page.
It gives you the ability to turnoff that station.
It gives you the ability towalk away from that person
speaking that you don't likewhat in the world they say,
absolutely All right.
It doesn't mean that you get tosit there and throw a freaking
hissy fit just because you don'tlike it.
(14:37):
That's what I was trying to putinto words.
Thank you, all right, and it is.
(14:57):
We see the same behavior a lotin society right now, where
everything, no matter if I don'tlike what in the world you say
either, it's this phobia, youknow, this hate speech, this,
whatever Right, that's nottolerance.
No, all right.
Shutting down speech is nottolerance.
No, it's not.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Tolerance is.
I don't agree with you, but youhave the right to say this
Right.
Tolerance also comes down to.
We may not agree with eachother, but we really should sit
down and talk, talk Calmly,rationally, rationally,
logically, have a discussionabout our differences.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
You know, learning tolerance is a very again, just
learning how to like I don'tknow stand, yeah, that takes
some tolerance to yes so again,this isn't something we're not
just, this is also physicalthings that we're talking about.
That too, absolutely.
And if we don't stretch, if wedon't push those boundaries.
We're talking about that tooAbsolutely, and if we don't
stretch, if we don't push thoseboundaries, we're not going to
(15:50):
learn, no, and it's.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
It's kind of like a muscle the more you use it, the
better it becomes Right, thestronger it is, yes, and the
more you can put up with.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Yes, I mean, that's just the way it goes, you know.
You never know where that nextgreat idea is going to come from
.
And yes, it could come fromsomeone you don't like.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
So, sorry, yeah, sorry, notsorry.
Knowledge this is the last oneon the list, oh.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Lord, learning and learning and relearning, and
then learning what you'vealready learned again Right.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Because without knowledge we can't grow, we
can't continue to, you can't donothing Right.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
So it's one of the greatest powers we were given to
be able to think, to know, tobe able to bring concepts from
somewhere else and make themmanifest here right, and you
know it's the whole thing ofknowledge comes from making
mistakes and it's learning fromthose mistakes it comes from
experience yes comes from actualdoing yeah, well, I was going
(17:02):
to say it's not just mistakes,but it's everything else.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
It's your interactions with people, it's
your interactions with animals,it's um again it's all of this
again.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Anybody that's done the following if you've ever sat
there and watched a youtubevideo on cooking, about a recipe
or something, then you go to doit right again.
Person doing videos is probablya professional cook.
You're not, so it's not goingto come out quite right and we
know from experience.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
They'll say oh, it takes 30 minutes.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
No, plan on an hour to an hour and a half because
it's that's knowledge, thatstuff.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
You kind of sit back and you're kind of like, okay,
this is what I actually know,this is real knowledge, this is
what I actually know, this isreal knowledge, this is what I
can use, right?
So again, this is one of themost important of all of this
stuff If you don't sit down, ifyou don't learn, if you don't
have the tolerance to hear otherpeople's ideas, if you can't
(18:00):
trust yourself, if you can'thave a little bit of humility,
all this stuff starts to fallapart, right, and you just
become this.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Well and see, you said that knowledge was probably
the most important out of allof them.
I kind of see it as it's adelicate chain here.
You're right.
And if any of these are out ofplace, You're not going to be a
happy person.
No, the others start fallingapart.
They, they break away from eachother, and and so I don't know
(18:32):
that you can put a definiteimportance on any one more than
the other because, but again,they're all a chain.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
But again, everything starts with knowledge.
Without the knowledge to do anyof this stuff.
Okay, I can see that, all right.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
So again, it's one of the first steps we have to
learn to be there, so you thinkthis should probably be the
first of the tenets.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Well, it sort of makes sense that it's at the
bottom of the list Because it'sthe foundation.
It's the foundation, Okay thatmakes sense, All right because,
again, if you're still nothitting these other ones before
you're getting the knowledge,you're really not going to get
too far anyway.
Well because, you're not goingto be able to deal with the
stress.
You're not going to be able todeal with the preponderance of
(19:20):
information and all this otherstuff.
If you don't know how in theworld.
Okay, I need to take a break,right?
so because again trying to learntoo much too fast can be just
as much of a detriment.
Again about balance, balanceand harmony, balance and harmony
and trust, and amazing how inthe world all these connect, I
(19:41):
know, and because it allconnects, it kind makes you.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Once you start realizing the connection between
all of them, it really makesyou analyze your life and see
what changes you can make.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
I'm just going to sit here and tell you all this.
If you're sitting there and youdon't like your job, you're in
a bad relationship with someone.
Something's not going quiteright in a bad relationship with
someone.
Something's not going quiteright.
Take five minutes and sit downand go over these tenants and
look at the problem throughthose and see what happens,
absolutely.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
I mean, it's a wonderful guideline for your
life Right.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
And remember you have to do these internally.
They're for you.
We cannot insist that otherpeople do these.
No, Are you with me?
So we can't put these tenets onother people.
You can only put them onyourselves.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Right, I mean we can put this out there, and it's out
there.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
It's out there.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
You can find these all over the internet, but it's
up to you, the individual, tointegrate these into your life,
into your practice, into your,into your life into your life.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Yeah, I mean, you got to practice these again.
Like I said, if somebody wouldtake like five minutes, sit down
and go through these tenantsand go, hey, here's the problem
I have.
Let's look, we're in the world.
Which tenant am I failing atthat's causing this problem?
Absolutely.
Which tenant am I failing atthat's causing this problem
Absolutely?
Yeah, is all we got to do.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
And again, we're fixing our own problems.
We've been given the knowledgeWe've been given tools to do
this and the tools?
Speaker 2 (21:17):
absolutely yes, all right, we have the ability to do
this stuff.
Here's another tool for y'allto use.
Do that?
Take a moment, look at aproblem, go through these
tenants and go where in theworld am I messing up right and
see what happens.
I think people will be moresurprised about anything else
that how fast they'll be able tofix their problem.
I think so too.
(21:37):
I really do.
It makes such good sense whenyou're sitting there kind of
like going through this andreading it and all this and
you're like okay, but untilyou're actually starting to
apply it when you apply this,I'm just gonna say it it's a
game changer yeah it really is,you know, I mean talk about, you
know, influencing your friendsand making friends and
(21:59):
influencing people.
This is the best way, I think,to do it.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
I think so, yeah, all right, but because, again, if
you trust yourself, if you havethe confidence, if you are doing
the balance, if you are inbalance with yourself and in
harmony with yourself, and youhave the knowledge to do all of
this.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
You will find other people less annoying.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
You will find other things not quite as Well, that,
and you will become that personthat people will flock to.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yes, you do this, you become that person that people
will flock to.
Yes, you do this.
You become that personeverybody wants to be around.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
You will just have this aura about you that people
want to be around.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Right, it happens, it does.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
I mean, it's as simple as that.
Now, if you're not a peopleperson, rethink.
No, not really, Just to let youknow if you're not a people
person you it?
Speaker 2 (22:47):
No, not really.
Just to let you know if you'renot a people person, you're
going to become one Right.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
So be prepared.
Use the tenets to prepareyourself.
You'll be fine.
You'll be fine Again.
Tolerance.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Why was coffee not on that list?
Speaker 1 (23:06):
I don't know.
We should get some Thanks forlistening.
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