July 23, 2025 • 24 mins
Are there people walking among us without souls? This mind-bending episode dives deep into one of humanity's most profound mysteries: consciousness itself. When we discovered some people claim to have no internal monologue, it sparked a fascinating exploration about what defines human awareness and spiritual existence.
Could people who appear emotionless or disconnected be souls in earlier stages of development, perhaps having previously inhabited simpler lifeforms and now learning to navigate human experience? This perspective aligns with soul evolution—the concept that consciousness progresses through increasingly complex forms with each incarnation.
We explore both neurological explanations and spiritual possibilities, including how past-life experiences might influence our current physical and emotional states. One host shares personal mobility challenges with no genetic explanation, wondering if these might be carried over from previous incarnations.
Throughout this journey, meditation emerges as a potential healing path for traumas carried across lifetimes. Join us for this thought-provoking exploration that challenges conventional understanding of what makes us truly human and connected to something greater than ourselves.
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Some people are starting tobelieve that there are people in
this world that do not havesouls, and I can see where they
can come up with that, becausesome people seem like they are
just kind of here and nothingelse.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Well, there's part of this is also a little bit
different side is what broughtmost of this up was because
there are some people that sitthere and go.
They don't have an internalmonologue of any kind.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
I can't, I just cannot.
I can't wrap my head aroundthat concept.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
All right, no, no, you can Now let me.
Let me state this I do not havean internal.
I do have an internal monologue, but I don't have one like
normal, I think in pictures.
In my head that's still aninternal monologue, but it's
still an internal because it'slike a camera in my head that I
just replace scenes andconversations in.
(01:38):
So again, it's an internalmonologue, but it's not a normal
one.
So we're not talking about thedifference between that.
We're just talking about peoplethat have scenes that have
nothing going on.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
I can't even imagine how you function without an
internal monologue.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Learning patterns of things how to turn on a
microwave, how not to turn on amicrowave.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Yeah, but it's like how to turn on a stove.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I mean you're learning patterns.
I can see where in the worldyou can learn patterns like a
robot so, but it's, yeah, it'slike does this person not have a
soul?
Speaker 3 (02:15):
are they basically a human robot?
That's right.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Are they an NPC?
Are they a non-player character, or could there something else
be going on here instead?
Speaker 3 (02:27):
what would be the something else?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
well, what if we said they actually do have souls,
but they're not proper humansouls?
so maybe in their past life theywere a tree or a dog or I would
say, I'd probably say some typeof animal, but yeah more likely
, some type of predator oranimal that tends to act more
(02:53):
independent so a soul who'slearning how to be human all
right, because I don't knowabout you, but you know, I
believe in thetransubstantiation of souls,
that we start off as loweranimals and our souls evolve
over time to become bigger andmore complicated creatures that
(03:15):
that's kind of funny, because atwork the other day there was a
little gnat flying around and myco-workers were trying to kill
it.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
And when, when they finally got it, they were like
RP, Nat, what else should we say?
And I said thank you for beinghere, Nat.
Maybe in your next life you'llbe a fly.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
I mean so again, could this be because I'm sure
you've met these people, whereyou've talked to them and
anything, and they look like adeer in a headlight?
Speaker 3 (03:46):
All the time, all the time, just deer in the
headlights, no emotionswhatsoever.
They don't have an emotionalresponse to anything.
You could tell them that youjust ran their dog over and they
would be like okay, thanks forletting me know.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, just ran their dog over and they would be like
okay, thanks for letting me know, yeah, or is there something
else going on with humans thatwe're not seeing, that is
causing us to be less emotionalcreatures?
I don't know Could there bestuff in our environment and our
food that are actually causingthese problems instead.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
And that brings me to mind to another thing is that a
lot of autistic people don'thave a billet.
They don't have the ability toprocess emotion or really show
emotion, but does that make themsomebody without a soul?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
and it's I don't think.
I honestly believe they havesouls.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
I do no.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Don't get me wrong.
I believe there are people inthis world that are walking
around, that are soulless.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Now, I don't believe that autistic people don't have
souls.
That's definitely not what Iwas trying to say.
It's just I don't think peoplewho are emotionless like that
are non-playable characters whoare soulless.
It's like Lord Knight just saidthey process things differently
(05:15):
.
They probably are veryemotional on the inside and just
don't have the ability tooutwardly express it.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Right outwardly express it.
Right, I mean because we can goahead and talk about the fact
that there are certain geneticproblems that happen where
people are less emotionallyconnected to what in the world
is going on in the world.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah, we call them psychopaths, right.
Yeah, yes, definitely so is apsychopath, a non-player
character or is this an NPC?
Does this person not have asoul, or is it just everything?
Non-player character or is thisan NPC?
Does this person not have asoul or is it just?
Everything inside has gottentwisted.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
I would say everything inside has gotten
twisted, because I don't thinkthey're just.
A lot of times people arecalled psychopaths when actually
and saying they're disconnectedfrom everything.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Psychopaths when actually and saying they're
disconnected from everything,actually I think they're getting
some sort of sick pleasure outof doing whatever they're out
here doing somehow something intheir brain might have gotten
switched and instead of feelingwhen you should be feeling pain,
you actually feel pleasure, oryeah or when you should be
feeling empathy for somebodyyou're just like hi, I'm glad
(06:28):
that wasn't me but I mean, I'vemet people like this.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
You know, I think we all have it's hard to say if
they're non-player characters.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
It really it is to see if they actually have a soul
or not, I mean, unless you sitdown with them, because again,
there's a lot of these peopleI've heard from Lady.
Cruebuck, who goes into theprison, that there are these
people in there and she's madethem and they're just like
nothing but pure evil.
She's not even sure if there'sanything in there.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
But the thing is is evil a lack of a soul, or is it?
Your soul is twisted.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
To somehow perceive everything that death is good
and destruction is better.
And you know, hurting and painis preferable over happiness
yeah I know that sounds weirdfor us to talk about, but do you
really think people actually goaround and think that way?
Speaker 3 (07:33):
I don't know, because there are some people that
seems like that's all they wantto do but not being sick or
perverted here.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
But there are people in the world who like to be tied
up and beat and perceive it aseternal that's that's on them,
that's that's their particularwhat we're talking about is how
in the world these things canget twisted.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
But again, these people are perceiving pain, but
for somehow they're perceivingit as pleasure yeah, but those
same people are probably notgoing around and just out there
doing bad things just to bedoing bad things.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
No, no, but I'm just saying it does exist.
There are people thatphysically get off on being hurt
and stuff like this, yeah,because everybody's different.
So everybody's different.
So again, it's not a hardstretch to find that someone's
soul may get twisted down theline of this for some reason
yeah now the question is is, youknow, does that twisting happen
(08:40):
because there's a hiccup in thebody that messes up their pain
and pain and pleasure receptors,or is there something else
going on there?
Is there something spiritualbehind this?
Speaker 3 (08:51):
I don't know, it's that seems like a question for a
therapist.
Some people I, I don't know,maybe that's.
Maybe there's something intheir childhood that's messed
them up.
There could be a chemicalimbalance in your brain.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
All right, so again, but after you're sick.
Okay, so we believe inreincarnation.
So I come back as a psychopath,I have a soul, right.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
And I die?
Do I still stay a psychopath?
Does the soul still become?
Are you with me?
Or does it just bank into theother lifetimes I've had?
Like all the other ones, thisjust happens to be this one.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
I think sometimes a psychopath can be created.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Not like you weren't born to be a psychopath.
Something happened to you inyour youth or you've had some
sort of experience that justgives you that twist.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
I've only ever heard of one story and I actually
heard about it recently, and itwas somebody who lives near here
and apparently she's a localurban legend where she was just
an absolute terror from the timeshe was a small child to the
day she died.
That I don't know.
(10:22):
Maybe she's maybe the oneinstance I can think of where
somebody was maybe born that way.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Right.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
But most of the time I think it's something that
happens in your youth, thattwists somebody into that,
because I will listen to otherdifferent podcasts about people
who committed murders or didthis, that and the other, and
nearly always their childhoodwas was they had some sort of
bullshit in it right, well, Imean most murders.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I I've seen stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
There are more acts of passion in the moment than it
is really anything else, andthen they try to cover it up
later but really like the onesin particular, like ones that
you listen to that are aboutserial killers.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Killers.
Now that's a little bitdifferent.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
They have definitely had some.
Most of them have had sometrauma in their youth.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Right.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
That doesn't excuse their actions, but you can see
where that twist happened.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
All right.
So now, if we believe thatthese people have souls I'm
being serious Do you believethat when we have these traumas,
do they carry on into otherlifetimes?
Yes all right, why?
I mean?
I've heard of people who havewho were supposedly died during
world war ii, supposedlyreincarnated and when they
(11:39):
reincarnated, had a fear ofwater or flying because that's
the way they died in yeah theprevious.
So my question is is it just forthat one lifetime?
Do you think it might be forthat one lifetime?
Is it something that wears off?
Speaker 3 (11:52):
I think eventually it would wear off because you
would have probably moreuncovered memories that's the
only way I know how to describeit of your most recent past
lives Right, because I couldn'tsit here.
And of your past most recentpast lives Right.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Because I couldn't sit here and say that we've
learned, everything we'velearned.
No, if we haven't came back asa psychopath at some point.
I mean, I'm not saying that weactually killed anybody, but,
you know, maybe been in a lockedup and was recognized early and
was yeah.
Again, that experience in andof itself is an experience that
(12:30):
would seem very beneficial to asoul over long haul.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
I think, as hard as it is to understand people who
are like this, I think youprobably can't learn everything
you need to learn over yourmultitude of lifetimes unless
you've been somebody like thator been somebody who was sort of
like that well, I mean, itwould be the same thing as you
(12:58):
know somebody wanting to comeback as autistic, to experience
life as an autistic person iswhat we're talking about.
We're purposely choosing to putourselves in yeah rough
situations to gain wisdom andknowledge or somebody who's said
I want to come back as aspoiled, pampered dog to a rich
(13:19):
person I think we all want to dothat.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Don't have anything to do but eat, sleep and play
and get petted on, and just youknow be spoiled.
Be spoiled.
I mean, you know, somebody hasto do it.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
I always say I want to come back as a bird because I
just want that freedom.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
For some reason, I want to come back as an egg.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
An egg.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Yeah, that way I can get laid that night and eat in
the next morning Shit.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Oh my goodness, Bad jokes everywhere.
But yeah, I do think you carrysomething all right because I've
had I have mobility issues,like I've had to have both my
hips replaced and everything.
It was a birth defect, so I'mgonna wager that in my past life
(14:21):
I had mobility issues.
I feel like that is probablythe thing I took from a past
life, because my doctors wereall like you don't have anybody
else in your family that hasthis condition.
No, I don't, no.
So the high I'm thinking iswell, this might have been a
(14:41):
symptom from a past life.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Okay, might have been a symptom from a past life,
could, okay?
So so you actually believe thatthe trauma that the soul
carries could possibly affectthe genetics of the body that
they're about to inhabit?
Speaker 3 (14:52):
yes, I do think it can affect you physically all
right.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
So if something happens to you in a previous
life, it could cause a birthdefect in your next life not
necessarily a birth defect.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Let's say, in your past life you were killed by
being stabbed in the heart.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Right.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
And in your next life you have a birthmark on your
chest.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
All right, or could it actually cause heart problems
?
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Possibly.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
You see what I'm saying.
Yeah, so do you believe thattrauma can actually cause
physical sickness in people.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Yes, think about it this way People who are stressed
and they get physically tired,it can cause their wrinkles to
appear quicker on their face.
It can cause your hair to gogray quicker, like your emotions
(15:49):
can literally cause physicalthings to happen to your body.
Like I have anxiety Before Istarted really getting treated
for it.
I would get so anxious I wouldliterally not be able to sleep
and sometimes it would literallycause me to just go throw up
randomly right now.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Do you believe healing a past trauma like this
would fix the problem?
Speaker 3 (16:17):
it's a good question.
I don't know if it is somethingfrom a past life.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
If you sat down, you did your meditations and blah,
blah, blah, could you heal thattrauma and heal that problem I
don't, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
I guess it maybe depends on how severe the
problem is.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
You know well, again I'm back to hey, we're gonna
take.
What's my answer?
Speaker 3 (16:40):
meditate meditate yes meditate is always the solution
.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
All right, right.
So again another reason tomeditate.
But dealing with those traumas,dealing with that stuff to some
extent, could it maybe at leastrelieve some of the symptoms.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Are you with me?
Maybe not completely eliminateit, but relieve what you're
talking about, where you'reoveranxious or stressed or
whatever what you're talkingabout, where you over anxious or
stressed or whatever you knowcould really healing that trauma
in a previous life actually, Idon't know that's.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
That's something I really haven't pondered well, I
mean, I can see like I can seeit healing emotional, like if
generational emotional traumaRight, something physical like.
Another thing about me is Idon't like the taste of alcohol.
I hate it, I don't like it.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Right.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
So in my mind I'm going most people can stand it.
I, for some reason, just reallydon't like the taste of it.
So in my thinking I'm like likedid I have problems with
alcohol in a past life?
Speaker 2 (17:50):
to make it to where you don't yeah it could be.
I'm not saying it's not, it'sjust you know.
But then on the other hand, itcould also be the genetics of
your body, and yeah you know,there's a herb that some people
eat and they think it tasteslike soap and everybody else
loves it.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Cilantro yes, so again and that's a genetic thing
?
Yeah, there's no solution.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
There's nothing to stop that.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
It's just the way your taste buds perceive.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
So again, we're asking this question is you know
, when does the soul begin andwhen does the body begin?
We're sort of we talk aboutthem as separate things, but
they're, they're so closetogether they're hard to say,
yes, I don't.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
I kind of like to think that you don't start off
as a like a live.
Well, I'd say you don't startoff as a bug, like you might
have started off as a blade ofgrass or a flower, but at that
point you're not a soul yet.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Let's say I I have a hard time believing that plants
have any type of souls.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Well, I said I said at the time you're not a soul.
Yet I think they do have energyAt that point, your energy and
your building.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Well, for some reason now I'm not saying I'm right or
wrong, but my perception of itwhen I've communicated with
these things for some reasonplants, plants, insects, most
herd animals, mm-hmm all seem tohave more of a single
consciousness versus anindividual consciousness but you
still build off the individualconsciousness you can, and
(19:46):
branch off at some point becausemost of these herd animals move
quite easily.
If you see the school of fish oranything like that, how they
all just turn and everything.
That's why, for some reason,every time I've communicated
with them, it seems more like acollective consciousness versus
what I'm percent off, likecertain other animals, a little
(20:06):
bit.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Everybody always says , oh, it's just in their nature
to do that.
I think it's more like a hivemind.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yeah, you know they all seem there are other little
things going on there and allthis and communications, but
yeah, I think there's a littlebit of a hive mind going on
there too, but it's like youcan't look at your dog and say
they don't Like.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
I know a lot of people say like the real big
argument is does a dog have asoul?
A?
Speaker 2 (20:34):
like.
The real big argument is does adog have a soul?
Well, I think they do.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
They do like, come on , no, do I sit there and think
of it as a as a human soul, as ahuman?
No no, do I think of it as asoul that could maybe one day be
yes yes like my dog inparticular like he's, so he gets
emotional about things likedogs get emotional about things
like they have to have a soulwell, they get very.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
They're also very independent for yes some reason
and for some reason, I thinkthat's always where the landmark
hits if something has a soul ornot, if they show that
independent yes, behavior,independent behaviors and
emotional behaviors on top of it.
So we're not talking about deerand goat.
(21:19):
I'm sorry if you've ever beenaround deer goats and they cows?
They're not.
I don't know how to, I don'tknow.
I've seen.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
I've seen some goats that do seem to like.
They seem to have someemotional behaviors.
Not a lot of them, but I haveseen some that seem like.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
I see some where they get.
I sometimes think of it as thebail for the dog.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
That is happening with some of these herd animals
and they only look like they'remimicking those behaviors to us
Does that make sense, Sort of,but I've seen so many videos of.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
of course I say this because I want a pygmy goat to
keep in my house.
My husband won't let me do it,but I have watched like a ton of
videos of little little pygmygoats and pajamas who act like
dogs.
I'm just like I want one butagain, it's an illusion.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
We're filling in the blanks there yeah kind of, to
some extent, all right, that'sall I'm saying is that there's.
I'm not saying that these are,that these creatures don't feel
emotion and don't have sympathyand stuff like that, but again,
generally speaking, they do seemto have more of a hive mind
yeah, because cows are basicallyeat grass, move occasionally
(22:46):
move occasionally lay down whenit storms, that's it.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
When it's hot, go get water and go on about it,
nothing ever changes.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
So go figure.
You know I'm sorry.
I see more in squirrelssometimes than I do.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Yeah, like the one who usually, because the way my
kitchen is set up I have a birdfeeder.
Right outside there's a deckrailing and every time I'm
getting ready to go to work orI'm fixing my breakfast, that
squirrel will be coming up tothe bird feeder.
And then I just, you know, dothe.
I see you.
And then it just kind of stopsand kind of is skittish and it's
(23:29):
like it's like it's's thinkinglike.
It's really thinking like isthis?
Speaker 2 (23:34):
am I safe?
Am I safe or am I not safe?
You can sort of see the wheelsturn yeah, I'm making a
conscious decision and not justgoing on my gut instinct so well
, I think that's about it.
I need some more coffee me toothanks for listening.
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Some people are starting tobelieve that there are people in
this world that do not havesouls, and I can see where they
can come up with that, becausesome people seem like they are
just kind of here and nothingelse.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Well, there's part of this is also a little bit
different side is what broughtmost of this up was because
there are some people that sitthere and go.
They don't have an internalmonologue of any kind.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
I can't, I just cannot.
I can't wrap my head aroundthat concept.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
All right, no, no, you can Now let me.
Let me state this I do not havean internal.
I do have an internal monologue, but I don't have one like
normal, I think in pictures.
In my head that's still aninternal monologue, but it's
still an internal because it'slike a camera in my head that I
just replace scenes andconversations in.
(01:38):
So again, it's an internalmonologue, but it's not a normal
one.
So we're not talking about thedifference between that.
We're just talking about peoplethat have scenes that have
nothing going on.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
I can't even imagine how you function without an
internal monologue.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Learning patterns of things how to turn on a
microwave, how not to turn on amicrowave.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Yeah, but it's like how to turn on a stove.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I mean you're learning patterns.
I can see where in the worldyou can learn patterns like a
robot so, but it's, yeah, it'slike does this person not have a
soul?
Speaker 3 (02:15):
are they basically a human robot?
That's right.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Are they an NPC?
Are they a non-player character, or could there something else
be going on here instead?
Speaker 3 (02:27):
what would be the something else?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
well, what if we said they actually do have souls,
but they're not proper humansouls?
so maybe in their past life theywere a tree or a dog or I would
say, I'd probably say some typeof animal, but yeah more likely
, some type of predator oranimal that tends to act more
(02:53):
independent so a soul who'slearning how to be human all
right, because I don't knowabout you, but you know, I
believe in thetransubstantiation of souls,
that we start off as loweranimals and our souls evolve
over time to become bigger andmore complicated creatures that
(03:15):
that's kind of funny, because atwork the other day there was a
little gnat flying around and myco-workers were trying to kill
it.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
And when, when they finally got it, they were like
RP, Nat, what else should we say?
And I said thank you for beinghere, Nat.
Maybe in your next life you'llbe a fly.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
I mean so again, could this be because I'm sure
you've met these people, whereyou've talked to them and
anything, and they look like adeer in a headlight?
Speaker 3 (03:46):
All the time, all the time, just deer in the
headlights, no emotionswhatsoever.
They don't have an emotionalresponse to anything.
You could tell them that youjust ran their dog over and they
would be like okay, thanks forletting me know.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, just ran their dog over and they would be like
okay, thanks for letting me know, yeah, or is there something
else going on with humans thatwe're not seeing, that is
causing us to be less emotionalcreatures?
I don't know Could there bestuff in our environment and our
food that are actually causingthese problems instead.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
And that brings me to mind to another thing is that a
lot of autistic people don'thave a billet.
They don't have the ability toprocess emotion or really show
emotion, but does that make themsomebody without a soul?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
and it's I don't think.
I honestly believe they havesouls.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
I do no.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Don't get me wrong.
I believe there are people inthis world that are walking
around, that are soulless.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Now, I don't believe that autistic people don't have
souls.
That's definitely not what Iwas trying to say.
It's just I don't think peoplewho are emotionless like that
are non-playable characters whoare soulless.
It's like Lord Knight just saidthey process things differently
(05:15):
.
They probably are veryemotional on the inside and just
don't have the ability tooutwardly express it.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Right outwardly express it.
Right, I mean because we can goahead and talk about the fact
that there are certain geneticproblems that happen where
people are less emotionallyconnected to what in the world
is going on in the world.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah, we call them psychopaths, right.
Yeah, yes, definitely so is apsychopath, a non-player
character or is this an NPC?
Does this person not have asoul, or is it just everything?
Non-player character or is thisan NPC?
Does this person not have asoul or is it just?
Everything inside has gottentwisted.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
I would say everything inside has gotten
twisted, because I don't thinkthey're just.
A lot of times people arecalled psychopaths when actually
and saying they're disconnectedfrom everything.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Psychopaths when actually and saying they're
disconnected from everything,actually I think they're getting
some sort of sick pleasure outof doing whatever they're out
here doing somehow something intheir brain might have gotten
switched and instead of feelingwhen you should be feeling pain,
you actually feel pleasure, oryeah or when you should be
feeling empathy for somebodyyou're just like hi, I'm glad
(06:28):
that wasn't me but I mean, I'vemet people like this.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
You know, I think we all have it's hard to say if
they're non-player characters.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
It really it is to see if they actually have a soul
or not, I mean, unless you sitdown with them, because again,
there's a lot of these peopleI've heard from Lady.
Cruebuck, who goes into theprison, that there are these
people in there and she's madethem and they're just like
nothing but pure evil.
She's not even sure if there'sanything in there.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
But the thing is is evil a lack of a soul, or is it?
Your soul is twisted.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
To somehow perceive everything that death is good
and destruction is better.
And you know, hurting and painis preferable over happiness
yeah I know that sounds weirdfor us to talk about, but do you
really think people actually goaround and think that way?
Speaker 3 (07:33):
I don't know, because there are some people that
seems like that's all they wantto do but not being sick or
perverted here.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
But there are people in the world who like to be tied
up and beat and perceive it aseternal that's that's on them,
that's that's their particularwhat we're talking about is how
in the world these things canget twisted.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
But again, these people are perceiving pain, but
for somehow they're perceivingit as pleasure yeah, but those
same people are probably notgoing around and just out there
doing bad things just to bedoing bad things.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
No, no, but I'm just saying it does exist.
There are people thatphysically get off on being hurt
and stuff like this, yeah,because everybody's different.
So everybody's different.
So again, it's not a hardstretch to find that someone's
soul may get twisted down theline of this for some reason
yeah now the question is is, youknow, does that twisting happen
(08:40):
because there's a hiccup in thebody that messes up their pain
and pain and pleasure receptors,or is there something else
going on there?
Is there something spiritualbehind this?
Speaker 3 (08:51):
I don't know, it's that seems like a question for a
therapist.
Some people I, I don't know,maybe that's.
Maybe there's something intheir childhood that's messed
them up.
There could be a chemicalimbalance in your brain.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
All right, so again, but after you're sick.
Okay, so we believe inreincarnation.
So I come back as a psychopath,I have a soul, right.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
And I die?
Do I still stay a psychopath?
Does the soul still become?
Are you with me?
Or does it just bank into theother lifetimes I've had?
Like all the other ones, thisjust happens to be this one.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
I think sometimes a psychopath can be created.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Not like you weren't born to be a psychopath.
Something happened to you inyour youth or you've had some
sort of experience that justgives you that twist.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
I've only ever heard of one story and I actually
heard about it recently, and itwas somebody who lives near here
and apparently she's a localurban legend where she was just
an absolute terror from the timeshe was a small child to the
day she died.
That I don't know.
(10:22):
Maybe she's maybe the oneinstance I can think of where
somebody was maybe born that way.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Right.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
But most of the time I think it's something that
happens in your youth, thattwists somebody into that,
because I will listen to otherdifferent podcasts about people
who committed murders or didthis, that and the other, and
nearly always their childhoodwas was they had some sort of
bullshit in it right, well, Imean most murders.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I I've seen stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
There are more acts of passion in the moment than it
is really anything else, andthen they try to cover it up
later but really like the onesin particular, like ones that
you listen to that are aboutserial killers.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Killers.
Now that's a little bitdifferent.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
They have definitely had some.
Most of them have had sometrauma in their youth.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Right.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
That doesn't excuse their actions, but you can see
where that twist happened.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
All right.
So now, if we believe thatthese people have souls I'm
being serious Do you believethat when we have these traumas,
do they carry on into otherlifetimes?
Yes all right, why?
I mean?
I've heard of people who havewho were supposedly died during
world war ii, supposedlyreincarnated and when they
(11:39):
reincarnated, had a fear ofwater or flying because that's
the way they died in yeah theprevious.
So my question is is it just forthat one lifetime?
Do you think it might be forthat one lifetime?
Is it something that wears off?
Speaker 3 (11:52):
I think eventually it would wear off because you
would have probably moreuncovered memories that's the
only way I know how to describeit of your most recent past
lives Right, because I couldn'tsit here.
And of your past most recentpast lives Right.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Because I couldn't sit here and say that we've
learned, everything we'velearned.
No, if we haven't came back asa psychopath at some point.
I mean, I'm not saying that weactually killed anybody, but,
you know, maybe been in a lockedup and was recognized early and
was yeah.
Again, that experience in andof itself is an experience that
(12:30):
would seem very beneficial to asoul over long haul.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
I think, as hard as it is to understand people who
are like this, I think youprobably can't learn everything
you need to learn over yourmultitude of lifetimes unless
you've been somebody like thator been somebody who was sort of
like that well, I mean, itwould be the same thing as you
(12:58):
know somebody wanting to comeback as autistic, to experience
life as an autistic person iswhat we're talking about.
We're purposely choosing to putourselves in yeah rough
situations to gain wisdom andknowledge or somebody who's said
I want to come back as aspoiled, pampered dog to a rich
(13:19):
person I think we all want to dothat.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Don't have anything to do but eat, sleep and play
and get petted on, and just youknow be spoiled.
Be spoiled.
I mean, you know, somebody hasto do it.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
I always say I want to come back as a bird because I
just want that freedom.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
For some reason, I want to come back as an egg.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
An egg.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Yeah, that way I can get laid that night and eat in
the next morning Shit.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Oh my goodness, Bad jokes everywhere.
But yeah, I do think you carrysomething all right because I've
had I have mobility issues,like I've had to have both my
hips replaced and everything.
It was a birth defect, so I'mgonna wager that in my past life
(14:21):
I had mobility issues.
I feel like that is probablythe thing I took from a past
life, because my doctors wereall like you don't have anybody
else in your family that hasthis condition.
No, I don't, no.
So the high I'm thinking iswell, this might have been a
(14:41):
symptom from a past life.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Okay, might have been a symptom from a past life,
could, okay?
So so you actually believe thatthe trauma that the soul
carries could possibly affectthe genetics of the body that
they're about to inhabit?
Speaker 3 (14:52):
yes, I do think it can affect you physically all
right.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
So if something happens to you in a previous
life, it could cause a birthdefect in your next life not
necessarily a birth defect.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Let's say, in your past life you were killed by
being stabbed in the heart.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Right.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
And in your next life you have a birthmark on your
chest.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
All right, or could it actually cause heart problems
?
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Possibly.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
You see what I'm saying.
Yeah, so do you believe thattrauma can actually cause
physical sickness in people.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Yes, think about it this way People who are stressed
and they get physically tired,it can cause their wrinkles to
appear quicker on their face.
It can cause your hair to gogray quicker, like your emotions
(15:49):
can literally cause physicalthings to happen to your body.
Like I have anxiety Before Istarted really getting treated
for it.
I would get so anxious I wouldliterally not be able to sleep
and sometimes it would literallycause me to just go throw up
randomly right now.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Do you believe healing a past trauma like this
would fix the problem?
Speaker 3 (16:17):
it's a good question.
I don't know if it is somethingfrom a past life.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
If you sat down, you did your meditations and blah,
blah, blah, could you heal thattrauma and heal that problem I
don't, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
I guess it maybe depends on how severe the
problem is.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
You know well, again I'm back to hey, we're gonna
take.
What's my answer?
Speaker 3 (16:40):
meditate meditate yes meditate is always the solution
.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
All right, right.
So again another reason tomeditate.
But dealing with those traumas,dealing with that stuff to some
extent, could it maybe at leastrelieve some of the symptoms.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Are you with me?
Maybe not completely eliminateit, but relieve what you're
talking about, where you'reoveranxious or stressed or
whatever what you're talkingabout, where you over anxious or
stressed or whatever you knowcould really healing that trauma
in a previous life actually, Idon't know that's.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
That's something I really haven't pondered well, I
mean, I can see like I can seeit healing emotional, like if
generational emotional traumaRight, something physical like.
Another thing about me is Idon't like the taste of alcohol.
I hate it, I don't like it.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Right.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
So in my mind I'm going most people can stand it.
I, for some reason, just reallydon't like the taste of it.
So in my thinking I'm like likedid I have problems with
alcohol in a past life?
Speaker 2 (17:50):
to make it to where you don't yeah it could be.
I'm not saying it's not, it'sjust you know.
But then on the other hand, itcould also be the genetics of
your body, and yeah you know,there's a herb that some people
eat and they think it tasteslike soap and everybody else
loves it.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Cilantro yes, so again and that's a genetic thing
?
Yeah, there's no solution.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
There's nothing to stop that.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
It's just the way your taste buds perceive.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
So again, we're asking this question is you know
, when does the soul begin andwhen does the body begin?
We're sort of we talk aboutthem as separate things, but
they're, they're so closetogether they're hard to say,
yes, I don't.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
I kind of like to think that you don't start off
as a like a live.
Well, I'd say you don't startoff as a bug, like you might
have started off as a blade ofgrass or a flower, but at that
point you're not a soul yet.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Let's say I I have a hard time believing that plants
have any type of souls.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Well, I said I said at the time you're not a soul.
Yet I think they do have energyAt that point, your energy and
your building.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Well, for some reason now I'm not saying I'm right or
wrong, but my perception of itwhen I've communicated with
these things for some reasonplants, plants, insects, most
herd animals, mm-hmm all seem tohave more of a single
consciousness versus anindividual consciousness but you
still build off the individualconsciousness you can, and
(19:46):
branch off at some point becausemost of these herd animals move
quite easily.
If you see the school of fish oranything like that, how they
all just turn and everything.
That's why, for some reason,every time I've communicated
with them, it seems more like acollective consciousness versus
what I'm percent off, likecertain other animals, a little
(20:06):
bit.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Everybody always says , oh, it's just in their nature
to do that.
I think it's more like a hivemind.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yeah, you know they all seem there are other little
things going on there and allthis and communications, but
yeah, I think there's a littlebit of a hive mind going on
there too, but it's like youcan't look at your dog and say
they don't Like.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
I know a lot of people say like the real big
argument is does a dog have asoul?
A?
Speaker 2 (20:34):
like.
The real big argument is does adog have a soul?
Well, I think they do.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
They do like, come on , no, do I sit there and think
of it as a as a human soul, as ahuman?
No no, do I think of it as asoul that could maybe one day be
yes yes like my dog inparticular like he's, so he gets
emotional about things likedogs get emotional about things
like they have to have a soulwell, they get very.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
They're also very independent for yes some reason
and for some reason, I thinkthat's always where the landmark
hits if something has a soul ornot, if they show that
independent yes, behavior,independent behaviors and
emotional behaviors on top of it.
So we're not talking about deerand goat.
(21:19):
I'm sorry if you've ever beenaround deer goats and they cows?
They're not.
I don't know how to, I don'tknow.
I've seen.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
I've seen some goats that do seem to like.
They seem to have someemotional behaviors.
Not a lot of them, but I haveseen some that seem like.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
I see some where they get.
I sometimes think of it as thebail for the dog.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
That is happening with some of these herd animals
and they only look like they'remimicking those behaviors to us
Does that make sense, Sort of,but I've seen so many videos of.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
of course I say this because I want a pygmy goat to
keep in my house.
My husband won't let me do it,but I have watched like a ton of
videos of little little pygmygoats and pajamas who act like
dogs.
I'm just like I want one butagain, it's an illusion.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
We're filling in the blanks there yeah kind of, to
some extent, all right, that'sall I'm saying is that there's.
I'm not saying that these are,that these creatures don't feel
emotion and don't have sympathyand stuff like that, but again,
generally speaking, they do seemto have more of a hive mind
yeah, because cows are basicallyeat grass, move occasionally
(22:46):
move occasionally lay down whenit storms, that's it.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
When it's hot, go get water and go on about it,
nothing ever changes.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
So go figure.
You know I'm sorry.
I see more in squirrelssometimes than I do.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Yeah, like the one who usually, because the way my
kitchen is set up I have a birdfeeder.
Right outside there's a deckrailing and every time I'm
getting ready to go to work orI'm fixing my breakfast, that
squirrel will be coming up tothe bird feeder.
And then I just, you know, dothe.
I see you.
And then it just kind of stopsand kind of is skittish and it's
(23:29):
like it's like it's's thinkinglike.
It's really thinking like isthis?
Speaker 2 (23:34):
am I safe?
Am I safe or am I not safe?
You can sort of see the wheelsturn yeah, I'm making a
conscious decision and not justgoing on my gut instinct so well
, I think that's about it.
I need some more coffee me toothanks for listening.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
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Speaker 4 (24:15):
Just hold my hand as we pass by a sea of blazing
pyres.
And so it is the end of our day, so walk with me till morning
breaks.
And so it is the end of our day.
So walk with me till morningbreaks.
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