September 24, 2025 • 19 mins
What happens when we isolate the Goddess from the God? As we explore this thought-provoking discussion, it seems many modern witches have done exactly that with the divine masculine in their spiritual practices. This marginalization creates what we call a "lopsided craft"—spiritual practices missing essential balance and wholeness.
The conversation dives deep into why this imbalance exists. For many, particularly women who've experienced trauma or disappointment with patriarchal structures, goddess-worship becomes a sanctuary. Yet this well-intentioned focus often swings too far; perfect love and perfect trust—foundational principles of the craft—cannot truly exist alongside gender-based prejudice or dismissal.
Our spiritual lives gain richness and depth through integrating the feminine and the masculine. We explore the value of sometimes separate but ultimately united spiritual exploration and why knowing thyself requires acknowledging both the masculine and feminine aspects within. Share your thoughts with us on social media and let us know how you honor divine balance in your practice!
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Speaker 1 (00:19):
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Pagan.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
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Speaker 3 (00:31):
We've been around this craft tradition a long time
.
Yeah, yeah, go on, say thephrase.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I am sick and tired of witches putting the god in
the corner.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
This is not dirty dancing, right?
No one puts baby baby in thecorner.
We do not put our god in thecorner.
What, why?
Why is that a thing?
Why is he like the bastardstepchild, afterthought for so
many workings and so many rights?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
because I think there was such a back kick on the
whole patriarchy patriarchy,christian.
Yeah, all right that it slungsome people off into the far
reaches of that's not a goodanswer, though it is not, but it
(01:27):
is.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
The realistic answer is there are parts of our
community that hate men so muchthat goddess worship does not
mean an absence or a disregardfor the male and for the god I
would agree with you say this asa priestess.
(01:48):
It drives me.
I'm like, look, we are not theamazonian tribe of wonder woman.
No, okay.
And even if you look at that asa system here, you see where it
comes from.
You know, it's supposed to begreek in origin and all that
there's a lot of aspects to this.
(02:09):
On one hand, you have traditionslike dianic, for instance.
Yeah, that wasn't wonderwoman's name, diana yeah, that
hurt yeah so there you go umthat do this and I have seen
over the years, as a result, avery scary I think it's scary
(02:30):
anyway version of craft thatemerges, where he's literally
put in the corner, like in some,like in the north or in the
east right there's a set ofantlers, or there's a little
statue or the stang or something.
He's just an afterthought rightthat has led to some traditions
(02:55):
seeing the male as nothing morethan a distributor of semen
right a placeholder right whomakes fertility possible.
But outside of that is uselessright what the f?
(03:17):
okay, look, maybe I'm a womanwho doesn't have enough daddy
issues.
I don't know you know, sorry,but I'm like how do you do that?
We have a hard enough time in asociety where and I'm not again
(03:38):
, I'm not saying that somepeople don't have shitty
experiences right, there areplenty of deadbeat dads out
there.
There are plenty of men who havenot lived up to the
responsibilities and obligationsI'm not saying that they know,
but when we have a society thatis so that views men so poorly
(04:05):
that we even have to make sureour children are not
disrespecting their fathers whenI'm sitting here and I am
watching women having a fitbecause lawmakers want to
introduce that you have to get adna test before you sign that
birth certificate yeah that,just that right there, bothers
(04:29):
me no more than anything else.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Why are you so, do you not?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
yeah, there's a lot of pieces of this that bother me
, that that, again, have woundtheir way into some practices.
Right, and it's ironic becauseof this, a lot of people that
found their way to craft did sobecause they don't have the best
(04:58):
relationship with their True,but yet it doesn't work the
other way around.
I have yet to meet somebodywho's like.
I had a really bad situationgrowing up.
(05:21):
My dad was either absentee orabusive, or whatever the case
was, didn't?
Have a good relationship withmy father, so I turned to.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
The church.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah, and I turned to , so I've become?
Speaker 3 (05:36):
I think you have those stories.
You just don't hear about themBecause those stories come from
guys, not from girls.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Okay, Interesting, interesting, all right.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
That's when you listen to some of these.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Christian real devout .
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Christian yeah yeah, yeah.
That's what my father wasn'tthere about.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah me.
That's what my father wasn'tthere this.
So I turned to a spiritualfather to to make up for that
and to understand therelationship I was missing and
all of those things right and Ithink that's beautiful.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
That's beautiful and it's grand and I love it and I
think it's healthy and it'ssmart.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
But just in the same way, we teach that you cannot
have animosity toward the churchyou were raised in.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
You cannot step into circle with animosity toward the
male figure well, again, we aresupposed to be, or we are
supposed to be, entering theseritual spaces and perfect love
and perfect trust.
If you sit there and you thinka different gender is less than
you, how is that perfect loveand perfect trust?
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Exactly, I have been criticized as a priestess again,
again, for the fact that I wastechnically raised by men, right
, and I'm like, okay, I said men, not wolves.
No, I'm like what do you think?
You know what is so alien aboutmale priests guiding the
(07:12):
education of a woman?
I'm like it happens in everyother religion yes I'm like.
So why is that such?
Why did that do me a disservicein your eyes or make me less of
a priestess?
if anything, I believe it gaveme the ability to a be more
(07:36):
aware of the male mysteriesright which is something that a
lot of priestesses lack, and Ithink it gave me a unique
perspective on being more awareof and more having more
reverence for the male role andthat dichotomy in circle, and in
(07:57):
my faith I cannot imaginepracticing without him, right,
in other words, you know myaltar, my personal altar is one
of the few personal altars thatI know that a woman has that has
both representations.
Usually she there's just agoddess statue Normally, yeah,
(08:21):
yeah, and I'm like no, he's heretoo.
Yes, I cannot separate them andyeah, it really it gets on my
nerves.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
But see, I think in a way it's also sort of denying
the duality that we all havewithin ourselves.
I am going to reject the maleside of myself for just the pure
female, and we know this is notthe way this actually works.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
It's a bad idea.
I don't condone it, it's.
It's a bad idea.
If you do that, if you go tothat extent, your craft is
lopsided yes, literally, and sothere's something okay.
So so I kind of find this to beit's.
(09:11):
It's a weird reference, butit's a funny reference
nonetheless.
If you had oh gosh, theyactually they did this in an
episode of friends, um, where Ithink it was ross's son there
was something he got, you know,bonked on the head and ross said
he was, you know, he was kindof limping and walking in
(09:32):
circles and you know he wastrying to make the girls feel
bad for not telling him that hebumped his head yeah but it sort
of makes me think of that, likeimagine just I'm trying to cast
a circle, but instead of makinga circle I'm lopsided and one
end is just sort of a I don'tknow a duck yeah, like you're
(09:52):
you know you're, you're.
It's almost like you've got asevere limp or even, potentially
, you're missing an appendage,right?
Yeah, um it, just it irks me.
I get upset even on the dayswhen we have circle and we don't
have enough men, right?
In circle and I look at ourgroup and I go, oh, we got too
(10:16):
many women today and you knowmost.
Again, a lot of priestesseswould just be like it's an
all-girls circle.
And I go, oh, it's an all-girlscircle no, no, wait, no with.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
With that said, all right now, are we going to
completely knock the extremescompletely?
Diving into the goddess for ashort period of time, I can
understand.
Just like diving into the godfor a short period of time.
I can understand.
Just like diving into the Godfor a short period of time.
Do we need the separation asmuch as we need them to come
together?
Are you with what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
I think in some ways Christians have this very well
figured out.
There are women's study groupsand women's Bible studies, there
are men's groups, men'sretreats, but then they come
together.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Right.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
And I agree with that .
I think that a healthy church,if you have the right numbers, a
healthy temple yes, you canhave a women's group and a men's
group and then again they cometogether.
It is a space in which toexplore the individual mysteries
.
It is a space in which to honoryour fellow gender Right, but
(11:32):
not disregard the other.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
No, yeah, but again, I see a lot of people where they
have a problem.
As soon as you do this, itseems that you can't do the
other.
And my point there is sometimeswe have to do both, sometimes
we need the separateness.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
And the male and female mysteries, while we also
need the mysteries of ourreligion that we share together.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Absolutely.
It's not any different thanjust needing some time to
yourself, right?
I mean, all of that is healthyand it's wise, but if you are a
woman in craft and all you everdo is meditate on the goddess or
look to communicate with thegoddess, or or the divine
(12:14):
feminine Right, the whole nineyards.
You are missing a huge piece ofthe puzzle.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
I mean, don't get me wrong, I would sit there and
tell the guys the same thing.
As soon as you don't, as soonas you don't meditate on it,
you're going to have the sameproblem.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
But I find that men are more receptive.
This is the part that drives mecrazy.
I find that men, men who cometo craft, are very accepting of
her, yes, are very aware of her,they have reverence for her.
(12:50):
They don't you know.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Well, let's let me.
Let me state something here.
Okay, we're also talking aboutmen who will sit there and play
video games as a woman, becausethey don't want to stare stare
at a guy's ass, that's reallyfunny.
Never heard of that, but that'shysterical what the majority
when you go on the games.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
The majority of the women are guys, guys, that's
really funny um I mean becausethey don't want to stare at I
just think men come to it, likeI said, a little bit more
open-minded and women, and Ithink part of this and I mean
again it's ironic because it ispart of the gender differences
Men are usually a bit moreforgiving and a bit quicker to
(13:35):
forgive and move on whateverhurt a man might usually again
I'm making generalizations have.
He's a little bit faster toreconcile that and not see the
(13:55):
goddess as the same entity thathurt him right and make nice
women don't always do it, no,and I'm like that's got to get
past that hump, ladies.
You know, he's not the same God.
He is not the same person thatcaused the pain.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Right.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
You have to separate him.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
I mean, yes, we are getting in there.
We are looking at you goingokay, where did the religion
touch you?
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Absolutely, absolutely at you going okay,
where did the back, where didthe religion touch you?
Absolutely, absolutely.
And I and I mean again,obviously, for many people this
can get much deeper.
We this can get into trauma andabuse and and all kinds of
things that are horrible and wehate that that happens to people
.
But that's a different issue.
Right that?
(14:48):
That's seek counseling, getyour affairs in order, do the
things that you need to do to bementally healthy.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
What we're sitting here saying is there's a
difference.
I can understand the woman whogot raped.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
In the world.
She hates man and can deal withthat a little bit better.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yeah.
Then I can't, just because I'ma man right, you can understand
her fear I can understand herapprehension of course, but to
disparage the god as arepresentation of all men is
wrong.
No, no, please don't.
(15:26):
Yeah, I mean for.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
For as much as the goddess to me holds everything
that is the best thing aboutwomen, it also holds everything
that's the worst thing aboutwomen absolutely and the god
does the same thing for us guysabsolutely, but if you can't be
in touch with one, you can't bein touch with the other.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
you got you gotta go there.
It's hard, it's.
It can be uncomfortable, it canbe um confusing.
Yeah, and it can take time.
But to deny it is really todeprive yourself of a large part
of your faith.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Well, a large part of yourself.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Oh, that too yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
I mean again, cause you again.
I want to make sure everybodyunderstand this.
We believe that people are madeof both the masculine and the
feminine is the whole yin andyang, yep.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
So yeah, try uh, if, if you've been putting, if
you've been putting baby in thecorner, take him out please.
Yeah, put him at the center andsee what happens.
Put them side by side see whatthey do, you know, they work
really good together if you'veleaned too heavily one way for a
period of time, considerleaning heavily the other way
(16:38):
for a period of time and findthat balance point.
The wheel of the year gives usthat opportunity.
There's plenty of goddess loreand god lore that we can take
for various times throughout theyear to create that balance.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
But again, when we're looking at the Wheel of the
Year, what?
We got four of the lessorswhich are focused on the god,
and we have the four grams whichare focused on the goddess.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Exactly, stone, the goddess exactly, and there's the
interplay and also how you havethe different myth cycles that
revolve around the two of them,both separately and together
yeah, just saying yep.
It's when we I mean reallytruly, when we I mean harp on,
(17:24):
know thyself.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
This is the stuff we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
It really is.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
I mean for me to sit here and to say that priest and
priestesses do not expressarchetype behaviors.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
I mean, come on, it's all we do.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
I mean, honestly, we just and I'm sorry if you don't
learn those archetype behaviors,you're going to be a little
confused and lost.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
They're there for a reason.
Again, you're going to bewalking in circles, but not in a
good way.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
No no.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Cheers to that.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
More coffee yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
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and mire.
Just hold my hand as we pass bya sea of blazing pyres.
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(18:43):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
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Speaker 3 (00:31):
We've been around this craft tradition a long time
.
Yeah, yeah, go on, say thephrase.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I am sick and tired of witches putting the god in
the corner.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
This is not dirty dancing, right?
No one puts baby baby in thecorner.
We do not put our god in thecorner.
What, why?
Why is that a thing?
Why is he like the bastardstepchild, afterthought for so
many workings and so many rights?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
because I think there was such a back kick on the
whole patriarchy patriarchy,christian.
Yeah, all right that it slungsome people off into the far
reaches of that's not a goodanswer, though it is not, but it
(01:27):
is.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
The realistic answer is there are parts of our
community that hate men so muchthat goddess worship does not
mean an absence or a disregardfor the male and for the god I
would agree with you say this asa priestess.
(01:48):
It drives me.
I'm like, look, we are not theamazonian tribe of wonder woman.
No, okay.
And even if you look at that asa system here, you see where it
comes from.
You know, it's supposed to begreek in origin and all that
there's a lot of aspects to this.
(02:09):
On one hand, you have traditionslike dianic, for instance.
Yeah, that wasn't wonderwoman's name, diana yeah, that
hurt yeah so there you go umthat do this and I have seen
over the years, as a result, avery scary I think it's scary
(02:30):
anyway version of craft thatemerges, where he's literally
put in the corner, like in some,like in the north or in the
east right there's a set ofantlers, or there's a little
statue or the stang or something.
He's just an afterthought rightthat has led to some traditions
(02:55):
seeing the male as nothing morethan a distributor of semen
right a placeholder right whomakes fertility possible.
But outside of that is uselessright what the f?
(03:17):
okay, look, maybe I'm a womanwho doesn't have enough daddy
issues.
I don't know you know, sorry,but I'm like how do you do that?
We have a hard enough time in asociety where and I'm not again
(03:38):
, I'm not saying that somepeople don't have shitty
experiences right, there areplenty of deadbeat dads out
there.
There are plenty of men who havenot lived up to the
responsibilities and obligationsI'm not saying that they know,
but when we have a society thatis so that views men so poorly
(04:05):
that we even have to make sureour children are not
disrespecting their fathers whenI'm sitting here and I am
watching women having a fitbecause lawmakers want to
introduce that you have to get adna test before you sign that
birth certificate yeah that,just that right there, bothers
(04:29):
me no more than anything else.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Why are you so, do you not?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
yeah, there's a lot of pieces of this that bother me
, that that, again, have woundtheir way into some practices.
Right, and it's ironic becauseof this, a lot of people that
found their way to craft did sobecause they don't have the best
(04:58):
relationship with their True,but yet it doesn't work the
other way around.
I have yet to meet somebodywho's like.
I had a really bad situationgrowing up.
(05:21):
My dad was either absentee orabusive, or whatever the case
was, didn't?
Have a good relationship withmy father, so I turned to.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
The church.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah, and I turned to , so I've become?
Speaker 3 (05:36):
I think you have those stories.
You just don't hear about themBecause those stories come from
guys, not from girls.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Okay, Interesting, interesting, all right.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
That's when you listen to some of these.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Christian real devout .
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Christian yeah yeah, yeah.
That's what my father wasn'tthere about.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah me.
That's what my father wasn'tthere this.
So I turned to a spiritualfather to to make up for that
and to understand therelationship I was missing and
all of those things right and Ithink that's beautiful.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
That's beautiful and it's grand and I love it and I
think it's healthy and it'ssmart.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
But just in the same way, we teach that you cannot
have animosity toward the churchyou were raised in.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
You cannot step into circle with animosity toward the
male figure well, again, we aresupposed to be, or we are
supposed to be, entering theseritual spaces and perfect love
and perfect trust.
If you sit there and you thinka different gender is less than
you, how is that perfect loveand perfect trust?
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Exactly, I have been criticized as a priestess again,
again, for the fact that I wastechnically raised by men, right
, and I'm like, okay, I said men, not wolves.
No, I'm like what do you think?
You know what is so alien aboutmale priests guiding the
(07:12):
education of a woman?
I'm like it happens in everyother religion yes I'm like.
So why is that such?
Why did that do me a disservicein your eyes or make me less of
a priestess?
if anything, I believe it gaveme the ability to a be more
(07:36):
aware of the male mysteriesright which is something that a
lot of priestesses lack, and Ithink it gave me a unique
perspective on being more awareof and more having more
reverence for the male role andthat dichotomy in circle, and in
(07:57):
my faith I cannot imaginepracticing without him, right,
in other words, you know myaltar, my personal altar is one
of the few personal altars thatI know that a woman has that has
both representations.
Usually she there's just agoddess statue Normally, yeah,
(08:21):
yeah, and I'm like no, he's heretoo.
Yes, I cannot separate them andyeah, it really it gets on my
nerves.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
But see, I think in a way it's also sort of denying
the duality that we all havewithin ourselves.
I am going to reject the maleside of myself for just the pure
female, and we know this is notthe way this actually works.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
It's a bad idea.
I don't condone it, it's.
It's a bad idea.
If you do that, if you go tothat extent, your craft is
lopsided yes, literally, and sothere's something okay.
So so I kind of find this to beit's.
(09:11):
It's a weird reference, butit's a funny reference
nonetheless.
If you had oh gosh, theyactually they did this in an
episode of friends, um, where Ithink it was ross's son there
was something he got, you know,bonked on the head and ross said
he was, you know, he was kindof limping and walking in
(09:32):
circles and you know he wastrying to make the girls feel
bad for not telling him that hebumped his head yeah but it sort
of makes me think of that, likeimagine just I'm trying to cast
a circle, but instead of makinga circle I'm lopsided and one
end is just sort of a I don'tknow a duck yeah, like you're
(09:52):
you know you're, you're.
It's almost like you've got asevere limp or even, potentially
, you're missing an appendage,right?
Yeah, um it, just it irks me.
I get upset even on the dayswhen we have circle and we don't
have enough men, right?
In circle and I look at ourgroup and I go, oh, we got too
(10:16):
many women today and you knowmost.
Again, a lot of priestesseswould just be like it's an
all-girls circle.
And I go, oh, it's an all-girlscircle no, no, wait, no with.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
With that said, all right now, are we going to
completely knock the extremescompletely?
Diving into the goddess for ashort period of time, I can
understand.
Just like diving into the godfor a short period of time.
I can understand.
Just like diving into the Godfor a short period of time.
Do we need the separation asmuch as we need them to come
together?
Are you with what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
I think in some ways Christians have this very well
figured out.
There are women's study groupsand women's Bible studies, there
are men's groups, men'sretreats, but then they come
together.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Right.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
And I agree with that .
I think that a healthy church,if you have the right numbers, a
healthy temple yes, you canhave a women's group and a men's
group and then again they cometogether.
It is a space in which toexplore the individual mysteries
.
It is a space in which to honoryour fellow gender Right, but
(11:32):
not disregard the other.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
No, yeah, but again, I see a lot of people where they
have a problem.
As soon as you do this, itseems that you can't do the
other.
And my point there is sometimeswe have to do both, sometimes
we need the separateness.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
And the male and female mysteries, while we also
need the mysteries of ourreligion that we share together.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Absolutely.
It's not any different thanjust needing some time to
yourself, right?
I mean, all of that is healthyand it's wise, but if you are a
woman in craft and all you everdo is meditate on the goddess or
look to communicate with thegoddess, or or the divine
(12:14):
feminine Right, the whole nineyards.
You are missing a huge piece ofthe puzzle.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
I mean, don't get me wrong, I would sit there and
tell the guys the same thing.
As soon as you don't, as soonas you don't meditate on it,
you're going to have the sameproblem.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
But I find that men are more receptive.
This is the part that drives mecrazy.
I find that men, men who cometo craft, are very accepting of
her, yes, are very aware of her,they have reverence for her.
(12:50):
They don't you know.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Well, let's let me.
Let me state something here.
Okay, we're also talking aboutmen who will sit there and play
video games as a woman, becausethey don't want to stare stare
at a guy's ass, that's reallyfunny.
Never heard of that, but that'shysterical what the majority
when you go on the games.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
The majority of the women are guys, guys, that's
really funny um I mean becausethey don't want to stare at I
just think men come to it, likeI said, a little bit more
open-minded and women, and Ithink part of this and I mean
again it's ironic because it ispart of the gender differences
Men are usually a bit moreforgiving and a bit quicker to
(13:35):
forgive and move on whateverhurt a man might usually again
I'm making generalizations have.
He's a little bit faster toreconcile that and not see the
(13:55):
goddess as the same entity thathurt him right and make nice
women don't always do it, no,and I'm like that's got to get
past that hump, ladies.
You know, he's not the same God.
He is not the same person thatcaused the pain.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Right.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
You have to separate him.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
I mean, yes, we are getting in there.
We are looking at you goingokay, where did the religion
touch you?
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Absolutely, absolutely at you going okay,
where did the back, where didthe religion touch you?
Absolutely, absolutely.
And I and I mean again,obviously, for many people this
can get much deeper.
We this can get into trauma andabuse and and all kinds of
things that are horrible and wehate that that happens to people
.
But that's a different issue.
Right that?
(14:48):
That's seek counseling, getyour affairs in order, do the
things that you need to do to bementally healthy.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
What we're sitting here saying is there's a
difference.
I can understand the woman whogot raped.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
In the world.
She hates man and can deal withthat a little bit better.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yeah.
Then I can't, just because I'ma man right, you can understand
her fear I can understand herapprehension of course, but to
disparage the god as arepresentation of all men is
wrong.
No, no, please don't.
(15:26):
Yeah, I mean for.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
For as much as the goddess to me holds everything
that is the best thing aboutwomen, it also holds everything
that's the worst thing aboutwomen absolutely and the god
does the same thing for us guysabsolutely, but if you can't be
in touch with one, you can't bein touch with the other.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
you got you gotta go there.
It's hard, it's.
It can be uncomfortable, it canbe um confusing.
Yeah, and it can take time.
But to deny it is really todeprive yourself of a large part
of your faith.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Well, a large part of yourself.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Oh, that too yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
I mean again, cause you again.
I want to make sure everybodyunderstand this.
We believe that people are madeof both the masculine and the
feminine is the whole yin andyang, yep.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
So yeah, try uh, if, if you've been putting, if
you've been putting baby in thecorner, take him out please.
Yeah, put him at the center andsee what happens.
Put them side by side see whatthey do, you know, they work
really good together if you'veleaned too heavily one way for a
period of time, considerleaning heavily the other way
(16:38):
for a period of time and findthat balance point.
The wheel of the year gives usthat opportunity.
There's plenty of goddess loreand god lore that we can take
for various times throughout theyear to create that balance.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
But again, when we're looking at the Wheel of the
Year, what?
We got four of the lessorswhich are focused on the god,
and we have the four grams whichare focused on the goddess.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Exactly, stone, the goddess exactly, and there's the
interplay and also how you havethe different myth cycles that
revolve around the two of them,both separately and together
yeah, just saying yep.
It's when we I mean reallytruly, when we I mean harp on,
(17:24):
know thyself.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
This is the stuff we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
It really is.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
I mean for me to sit here and to say that priest and
priestesses do not expressarchetype behaviors.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
I mean, come on, it's all we do.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
I mean, honestly, we just and I'm sorry if you don't
learn those archetype behaviors,you're going to be a little
confused and lost.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
They're there for a reason.
Again, you're going to bewalking in circles, but not in a
good way.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
No no.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Cheers to that.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
More coffee yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Thanks for listening.
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Speaker 4 (18:22):
We travel down this trodden path, a maze of stone
and mire.
Just hold my hand as we pass bya sea of blazing pyres.
And so it is the end of our day, so walk with me till morning
(18:43):
breaks.
And so it is the end of ourdays so walk with me till
morning.
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