October 29, 2025 • 28 mins
Ever felt stuck between practicing alone and settling for a group that doesn’t fit? We unpack a clear, workable path to build your own coven with confidence. The theme is steady craft over flash: consistency, consent, and clean boundaries.
We talk through what leadership actually looks like day to day. We share how to design your meeting cadence around Sabbats and full moons without burning out the core team, basic bookkeeping and a simple nonprofit setup protect the work and the people who rely on it.
Conflict is inevitable, so we outline a process that keeps the temple first. We explain why an “outer court” helps screen fit, why mixing activism with worship can blur your spiritual aim, and how networking with nearby groups and public listings helps seekers find you. We also share book recommendations, tips for adapting ceremonies like weddings and funerals, and a model for second-degree specialization that turns members into teachers. If you’re ready to move from solo practice to a living, learning coven, this guide gives you the tools, the mindset, and the momentum to begin. Subscribe, share with a friend who’s searching for community, and leave a review with the one policy you’d set on day one.
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SPEAKER_02 (00:16):
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SPEAKER_01 (00:24):
So every so often we keep on getting these comments
and it's nobody's in my area.
Where what do I do?
I can't find nobody.
I can't do all right.
Or there are people in theirarea and none of these places
fit you.
Right.
Okay, one of the two choices.
All right.
So how do you start a coven?
(00:45):
How do we do it?
That's a good question.
Oh Lord, it's me answering that,ain't it?
SPEAKER_02 (00:52):
Well, go ahead.
I was gonna say I think I thinkfirst of all, what you need to
do is you if you're gonna dothat, if you've come to this
conclusion, okay, this is myonly option.
SPEAKER_01 (01:02):
Right.
Then the answer is yes, youstart your own coven.
Yes.
Just to play an outside, yes,you start.
SPEAKER_02 (01:11):
But I think I think one of the f one of the first
places you have to look.
You have to know what youbelieve in.
Yes.
If you don't, it's it's notgonna work.
It's because you've got nofoundation.
Right.
So what I'm gonna suggest youtake the time and you write down
what you believe in, what mythsyou follow, what what what
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ethics and what morals where dothey come from and all that.
SPEAKER_01 (01:38):
So and again, if you don't have all the answers to
start off with, don't worryabout it.
At least make a note.
Hey, this is what I have to doand why.
SPEAKER_02 (01:47):
Yeah, because you've got to understand this is gonna
be a long process.
Oh, God.
This is not gonna happen withina year's time.
Well, it might, depending on howwell you organize your
information, but and your friendgroup and all that.
SPEAKER_01 (02:01):
So again, because here's what I would suggest.
I would start off with doing myown personal rituals.
All right.
I'd get comfortable with thecircle casting, doing and
performing rituals, writingthem.
Yep.
The whole nine yards.
All right.
And then you're gonna have tostart asking yourself some
certain other things becauseyou're trying to become a priest
(02:22):
or a priestess of the religion.
So that means there are gonna becertain responsibilities and
duties your people who join yourtemple are gonna expect.
Which you have to think about.
SPEAKER_02 (02:33):
And that you're gonna expect them to do.
Right.
Uh so that kind of works bothways.
So you're gonna Yeah, so youhave to think about okay, what
are my neophytes going to beresponsible for?
SPEAKER_01 (02:41):
What am I gonna be responsible for?
Am I gonna have a degree system?
Right.
Am I even gonna do a degreesystem?
Am I gonna teach?
Are we gonna be are we gonnafollow a specific tradition
versus being more eclectic?
Or am I gonna make up my owntradition?
Whatsoever.
SPEAKER_02 (02:58):
So yeah, all things to consider.
SPEAKER_01 (03:01):
All these things are to consider in that rainbow.
Our people expect us to becounselors.
Yes.
Our people expect us to becertain things to them
throughout the day.
So you also need to take thatinto account.
Right.
Because you're becoming a leaderof people.
Right.
A spiritual leader of people.
Like it or not.
(03:22):
Like it or not.
And I will suggest this for allthose who are doing this, please
remember a priest, thepriesthood in all this, our job
is only about your soul.
Right.
That's it.
This is the only advice we'regonna give you.
We're only giving you religiousadvice.
Right.
We're not telling you if yougotta leave your wife or husband
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therapy's for.
SPEAKER_02 (03:47):
You need to go seek counseling.
You need to go seek counseling.
SPEAKER_01 (03:50):
Find yourself a marriage counselor, because I'm
not touching that.
Right.
I deal with spiritual mattersand religious matters.
So here we are.
And you know, when we do counsela little, and it does sometimes
get into the personal, you needto know when to go.
Okay, no, that's not something Ineed to know.
Not my field of expertise.
Not my field of expertise.
Please learn that.
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Not my field of expertise.
Yes.
Please learn your field ofexpertise.
Yes.
Um after that, I would juststart inviting one or two people
over to start doing ritual withme.
And I would teach them and say,here's the circle casting we're
going to use, here's how we'regoing to perform it.
Right.
And the whole nine yards.
(04:32):
Okay, no, no, no.
We're all going to cast circletogether or we're not, or pick
something and stick, especiallywhen it comes to circle casting,
stick with it.
Stick with it.
All right.
Lay something down and make itconcrete.
Right.
Because that's one less becausecircle casting never actually
changes.
All right.
You can just learn one and justkeep on casting circle that way
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if it works for you.
Absolutely.
How do you know if it's notworking for you?
You'll know.
Well, the more than likelythere's going to be funny stuff
happening, electrical problemsand other repairs that seem to
be coming up in your house on aregular basis.
That's this energy escaping fromthat circle.
Right.
Just to let you know.
So you might want to do adifferent circle.
(05:14):
And that might and that mighttake a while.
It might.
It could take.
It's going to be some trial anderror.
It's going to be some trial anderror there.
That's where I would start.
Okay.
All right.
And then once I built up mypeople and stuff, maybe then I
would start looking into the501c3 stuff.
Yeah, I would definitely suggestlooking into that.
All right.
Now I will sit here and tell youwhat Lord Minn told me that if
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he knew back then what he knewwhat he did in the future was
they filed for the state firstfor their tax exempt status,
then they filed for the federal,which made it more complicated.
Right.
It's easier if you do thefederal first.
Then get the state.
Then do the state, yeah.
Then do the state.
Just and trust me, there areplenty of books out there on how
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to run a 501c3.
Yes.
Please buy them books.
Make yourself available of thesebooks.
These aren't these aren't themajority of them aren't big
books, and yes.
SPEAKER_02 (06:06):
But yeah, they'll don't help you fill out the
paperwork and paperwork and allthat.
SPEAKER_01 (06:11):
And explain the laws and stuff like that.
And yes, it's a boring read, andGod forbid.
But you can get through it.
It does tell you how to do somefundraising and how to do
certain things.
Um I think I still got like fivein my wish list to buy and read.
So yeah.
(06:32):
Oh yeah, definitely.
So I mean just to let y'all knowhow many I keep on reading
through.
SPEAKER_02 (06:37):
So But yeah, use use resources that are available to
you.
I mean, because you do have tokind of think of it sort of as a
business.
Yes.
Because chances are at somepoint, you know, you're gonna be
you're gonna have m incomingmoney, possibly.
Possibly.
You need to know how to dealwith donations of varying kinds,
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could be food, could be money,could be whatever.
But you you need to you need toknow how to account for that.
Right.
You need to know somebookkeeping.
SPEAKER_01 (07:06):
Yep.
See, see, I the the farther wego down this list, you're you I
think I hope people are startingto realize why in the world it
takes two of us to run a temple.
Yeah.
Well, actually it takes aboutthree.
SPEAKER_02 (07:20):
Yeah.
I would say it's good to have apriest, a priestess, and then
one other.
One other.
I mean, that's you need thepriest and the priestess for the
balance aspect, but one otherperson to kind of help keep
things grounded.
Right.
To kind of do the grunt work fora little bit.
(07:40):
Yeah, you need a third person.
SPEAKER_01 (07:41):
You need a third person.
It it does help.
Because I mean, because then yougot to start thinking about
stuff like this.
Are we going to meet at theSabbaths?
Are we gonna meet at the fullmoons?
Are we gonna do the new moonstoo?
Mm-hmm.
You know, how many times are wegonna get the times are we
meeting?
Yeah.
I mean, like for our for ourtemple, we normally do all the
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full moons and all the sabbaths.
Right.
We do we do occasionally do anew moon meeting, but that's
normally just first degrees andup.
SPEAKER_02 (08:11):
But that's like a business meeting.
Yeah, it's it's very it's veryinformal.
There's nothing really spiritualat all in there.
SPEAKER_01 (08:18):
It's mostly business.
It's mostly business.
So, I mean, majority of thetime, and maybe a few things
said about, you know, I I thinkwe have done a few things on
like uh you're in them aboutcircle casting or um Well yeah,
or how to write ritual, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (08:34):
It's a good time if you're gonna do, you know, if
you're gonna do new moonmeetings or any full moon
meetings or whatever.
It's uh it's a good time tofield additional questions.
Right.
Um, maybe hold a little workshopor whatever.
It's it's a good time for that.
SPEAKER_01 (08:51):
It is a good time to do that too.
So again, these are the thingsyou gotta think about.
All right.
Then then there's the wholeentire, okay, so we're gonna do
the Sabbaths, are we gonna feastafterwards?
In other words, are we gonnacook a dinner and and and how
elaborate are we gonna makethis?
SPEAKER_02 (09:06):
Right.
Is it gonna be like three-coursemeal, four-course meal, or is it
gonna be potluck, or is itRight.
You know, how are you gonnahandle it?
How you gonna handle it?
I suggest potluck because thattends to work really well.
SPEAKER_01 (09:18):
It it it does.
SPEAKER_02 (09:20):
Just can just keep a keep a list of who's bringing
what.
SPEAKER_01 (09:23):
But yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (09:24):
And that way there's no duplicates.
SPEAKER_01 (09:26):
I'm trying to think of anything other grand that you
really need to do to actuallystart a temple.
You know, you're gonna have tomake some decisions, all right?
Because there are some templesthat are other things too.
All right.
They're they're they're not justchurches, these aren't just
temples and churches, sometimesthey're activist groups too.
(09:46):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
All right.
So again, you you're gonna haveto ask yourself, are we going to
be that type?
Now, again, I I I tend to tellpeople not to, because my fear
is always the activist groupwill take over and you won't
have no religion anymore.
SPEAKER_02 (10:01):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (10:01):
Or your religion takes over to where in the world
you don't have the activismanymore.
SPEAKER_02 (10:05):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (10:05):
Personally, I think you should keep them separate.
SPEAKER_02 (10:07):
I think so as well.
From each other.
Nothing wrong if you want tohave an activist group.
No.
But keep it separate from thechurch.
From the church.
SPEAKER_01 (10:16):
Yeah.
Are are you with what I'msaying?
So and again, so again, I'm I'mnot sitting there telling you
not to tell you people not to goout and be political or protest
or whatever they want to do.
I'm just saying you might wantto look at them and go, hey,
when you come here, we're notgonna Right.
That's not part of what we do.
That's not part of what we do.
We're here to worship the Godand Goddess.
We're trying to build this pathand this way of life for
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ourselves and what we believein, become better people.
Right.
Because if you're following thisreligion and you're not and
you're following these beliefsand you're not becoming a better
person, what's the point?
SPEAKER_02 (10:52):
Right.
I think I think that's a veryimportant side note to all of
this is that it is for yourgrowth, your personal growth.
Growth.
And and that's what we'retalking about.
That growth, that for you.
I just Right.
And it and whatever you'redoing, it it should, in my
opinion, and in yours,apparently.
(11:13):
It should make you a betterperson.
It should be down the woman, itshould make you want to be a
better person.
Yeah.
There should be aspects theregoing, no.
And you know, think of it aswhatever you're gonna be
teaching, those are the tools tobecome that better person.
SPEAKER_01 (11:30):
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (11:31):
So, you know, you gotta keep all that in mind as
well.
SPEAKER_01 (11:34):
So, I mean, there's a lot to go on in running the
temple.
I mean, uh hell, just how longhave me and the lady been
working on our first two rebecause we're trying to redo the
first three classes.
SPEAKER_02 (11:47):
That's been going on, I think, for probably close
to a year now.
Yeah.
If not longer.
SPEAKER_01 (11:53):
If not long.
And this and it make it evenworse was we're not writing
anything.
We already have the data.
I mean, are you writ with me?
We already have the info.
SPEAKER_02 (12:03):
This is just us trying to consolidate, remove
out some unnecessary stuff, therepetitive information.
SPEAKER_01 (12:11):
And so, and the reason I the reason I'm bringing
this up is when we talk aboutall this stuff you got to build
up and everything, sometimes wehave to go back and redo again.
SPEAKER_02 (12:22):
Oh, absolutely.
At some point, you're gonna windup with so much information in
your books, right, if you will.
SPEAKER_01 (12:29):
Because each person you bring in, each person you
bring in is a new stream ofinformation being brought into
your temple.
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_02 (12:37):
And it should influence to some extent of
what's going on.
Yeah, of what's going on, andhopefully those people are
contributing to the informationthat you're putting out and
helping you grow.
SPEAKER_01 (12:50):
So again, right, don't think of this as you doing
it completely by yourself.
No.
All right.
You may may start out that way.
SPEAKER_02 (12:59):
It might, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (13:00):
I mean, and don't get me wrong, people showing up
at first might not be quite ashelpful, but over time, over
time they will be, they willbecome more helpful the more
they're around, the more thatthey do, the more that they
interact.
SPEAKER_02 (13:11):
Well, and part of that comes from you being
comfortable in that position.
Right.
So the more you may start out,and you if you start out just
teaching, you may be a littleawkward.
It's natural.
SPEAKER_01 (13:25):
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (13:26):
The more you do it, the more comfortable you get
with it, the more natural itfeels.
Right.
The more you become familiarwith the information and and
once that happens, it putspeople more at ease.
SPEAKER_01 (13:37):
Mm-hmm.
It makes this process move awhole lot faster.
SPEAKER_02 (13:40):
It makes it move faster, makes it move more
fluid, and it encourages them tocontribute.
SPEAKER_01 (13:47):
I will give you, I would give anyone starting their
first temple one more piece ofadvice, at least.
You are not their friends.
No, no, the priesthood is notyour friend.
You cannot I why why there arepeople I love them to death in
temple.
They're not my friends.
I have to be honest with them.
Right.
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I'm not gonna sit there and justpat them on the back because
whether they're my friend, Iwant them to feel good and be
happy and all that.
Right.
So, yeah, there are gonna betimes you're gonna be having
conversations with people thatare very uncomfortable, some of
them are might be very personal,and some other stuff.
Are you willing to put up withthat?
Right now, let's talk about whathappens.
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So you're you're starting totemple.
What happens when a doll blowsup in your face?
And because that stuff happenstoo.
SPEAKER_02 (14:40):
Yes, it does.
Personalities.
Yep.
How are you gonna handledisputes?
How are you gonna handlearguments?
How are you gonna handle thedrama?
SPEAKER_01 (14:51):
Drama.
Now, in our temple, here's howwe normally do it.
All right, our high priestessalways works as or always
basically fills in as the judge.
And me and you fill in as theprosecuting and defense to some
degree.
To some degree, yes.
Right.
But the first thing we do is weactually pull out the laws from
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Lady Sheep, or at least the newbook of the laws from Lady Sheep
and start going through them,talking about the situation, the
whole nine yards.
Well, especially if we'redealing with initiates,
especially if we're dealing withinitiate.
And to make it even worse.
People who are bound by thelaws.
Right, because again, we're not,and again, we're not having this
conversation in front of thelady.
No.
We're just getting our stufftogether.
(15:34):
Right.
That's it.
Then we actually meet with thelady, and there's normally a
process to where both offendingparties, because you've got to
at least have two, or if notone, I guess one could be
possible, and you bring them inand you hear their side of the
story.
Right.
Then that person leaves, andthen me and you start in on our
spill where we basically recitethe laws and say, this is where
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this law is, this is what itlooks like to me, blah, blah,
blah.
And the whole nine yards, thenthe lady makes her decision.
Right.
All right.
Now I'm going to tell you rightnow, the majority of times if we
have two people that arefighting and they will not fix
the problem themselves, normallythe solution is to ask both
parties to leave.
Right.
Because again, by picking oneover the other, you're now
picking a side and you've justbecome you've just stepped into
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friendship zone.
Right.
And you're no longer the priest.
The priest or the priestess,yes.
All right.
Because again, your duty andresponsibility is to the temple.
Right.
Right.
You have to think about thegreater good.
All right.
And again, when you're whenyou're sitting there and you're
doing this stuff and you got aroom full of 13 people and two
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of them don't want to get along,you got to do something.
SPEAKER_02 (16:43):
Well, and you know, that's another thing.
When you're bringing people in,you need to have some type of
interview process.
You need to have, and I thinkthis is the reason why a lot of
covens, like especially, I thinkespecially in Gardnarian covens
and Alexandrian covens, theyhave what's referred to as an
inner court and an outer court.
The outer court is a chance forto see how these people are
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going to interact, interact witheach other.
Right.
And from that you can kind ofsee how they're going to act
with the people who are alreadyon the inner court.
SPEAKER_01 (17:14):
I mean, because because to some degree, we are
starting to implement this typeof process at our pimple.
To some degree we are, yeah.
Because again, here's wherehere's where we have problems,
all right, is I will get a phonecall.
Hey, I want to take classes.
SPEAKER_02 (17:28):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (17:29):
I meet up, I meet with the person, whatever, and
finally get their first classset up, do the first class the
very next day, hey, I'd like totake what couldn't you call it a
week ago?
SPEAKER_02 (17:40):
Right.
And sometimes it's you know,like a month down the road where
this person's already had twoclasses.
SPEAKER_01 (17:47):
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (17:48):
And so now it's okay.
You have to start another class,do I try to get this person
caught up?
SPEAKER_01 (17:54):
The decision you need to make is a, do I need to
do that?
Do I need to get them called up?
How many, how many class howmany different classes do I want
running it concurrently with oneanother?
Right.
Because I'm sorry, keeping upwith three or four different
people.
It's not easy.
It's not easy.
SPEAKER_02 (18:08):
We've done that, and it's not easy.
You know?
That's even that's even puttingit in the calendar with
reminders that pop up.
It's not easy.
Because sometimes it's like, ohGod, what class was this?
SPEAKER_01 (18:24):
What were we talking about?
Who's coming today?
Oh, okay.
Never mind.
I realize that I I I no longerhave my weekends free because
I've scheduled classes from nowuntil the end of the year.
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (18:36):
For every weekend.
SPEAKER_01 (18:37):
For every weekend.
How far are you willing to gowith this?
So again, these really thinkabout it.
Again, I know we're getting alittle bit bizarre here, but
again, these are questionsyou've got to ask yourself.
Yeah, because it does happen.
Right.
Don't get me wrong.
There's a lot of books out therethat sort of help you.
There are.
All right.
Let me see if I can recommend afew.
Um, A Witch's Bible or TheWitch's Bible complete.
(19:01):
Uh that and that has some goodinfo in there.
It's a little difficult to read.
Yeah, it can be difficult toread.
It can be difficult to read.
I would suggest there's a lot offootnotes.
SPEAKER_02 (19:09):
Yeah.
And a lot of references tothings that happen in other
parts of the book.
SPEAKER_01 (19:15):
The Spiral Dance, she's got a few good frameworks
on how to run some temples.
I'm I'm there's a few others outthere.
SPEAKER_02 (19:22):
I I think there's actually one that says how to
start a coven.
SPEAKER_01 (19:25):
Yeah.
And I don't know how good it is.
SPEAKER_02 (19:28):
I don't I don't think I've read it, or it's been
a while since I have read it.
SPEAKER_01 (19:31):
But there are a few good books out there on how to
create a coven.
Yeah, absolutely.
All right.
And again, like I said, you themain things you gotta ask
yourself is these things.
Right.
And you and again, utilize yourresources.
Utilize them.
All right.
I mean, listen to the podcast,listen to other podcasts.
Matter of fact, go ask otherpeople, other podcasts this same
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question and see if you get adifferent answer than what we're
giving you.
Right.
You know, so again, a lot ofquestions here and a lot of
things you have to decide onwhat in the world to do.
But I'm still back to yes, startit, do it.
Nobody said you couldn't.
Right.
Because here's my honest belief.
You you can believe me if youwant.
I truly believe if you're ifsomebody does this and they
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start, somehow the gods willmake it to where in the world a
more well-trained traditionalistwill somehow come into this
person's life going, oh here Ican help you with all that.
Oh, here, this is a piece ofcake.
Hold on, let me just cause I'vebeen doing it 15 freaking years.
Right.
And I believe that does happen.
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Because I mean, we've had thatthroughout why in the world, we
would have been running temple.
That strange person that justshows up and Yeah.
I don't know how to explainthat.
SPEAKER_02 (20:44):
But you know it is difficult to explain.
Explain, you know, it's justit's kind of odd.
SPEAKER_01 (20:49):
It's kind of odd.
You know, it's just all of asudden these people show up and
you're like, Well, where wereyou when I was hunting?
Oh, I just moved to the area andI saw your temple.
I just Where were you 15 yearsago?
I mean, don't get me wrong.
I'm not gonna sit here and saywe weren't lucky because Lord
Mean had already done a lot ofthis work.
(21:10):
He did a lot of the groundwork,yes, he did.
All right.
So again, I'm counting myblessings there.
Uh oh, absolutely.
All right.
So again, get mad at me if youwon't, but again, somebody still
had to do this work.
SPEAKER_02 (21:23):
Well, and then too, just because he laid the
groundwork doesn't mean that youdidn't make it your own.
SPEAKER_01 (21:30):
Right.
Or contribute and do everythingout of the way.
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (21:32):
Again, it's people contributing and you know,
changing information, addinginformation.
SPEAKER_01 (21:38):
I mean, because well, in our temple, for
example, first degrees,everybody gets pretty much the
same general teaching.
Second degrees, we require youto pick a specialty.
Herbalism, folklore, don't care.
Pick something.
Right.
That's where you're gonna getmore of that information in, is
when you have those people thatcome in with that specialty set.
(22:00):
When that woman comes in andgoes, Oh yeah, I've been
practicing herbalism for reallybecause now you have real-world
practical experience that's notnecessarily in a book.
Right.
Well, I can follow a recipe in abook if I've done the recipe a
few times.
I I can kind of play with it alittle bit.
Right.
You with me?
(22:22):
So these are all the things Ithink you anything else.
SPEAKER_02 (22:26):
God, I don't know.
We've covered so much.
Oh, God.
And you know, and and Iapologize because it's been like
an onslaught of information, butand you can always go back and
listen and stop and take notes.
SPEAKER_01 (22:39):
God, I s I sort of think we should have at least
made a checkoff list.
I know, right?
That might have been a good ideafor this episode.
Maybe.
Oops.
Oh well.
As far as now now gettingmembers and stuff like that.
I there's the um well, thereused to be Witch Vox, but
there's a few places out there.
SPEAKER_02 (22:58):
Yeah, there's there's a place where we're
listed.
Um, it's called MandragoraMagica, and they have listings.
Um they kind of took over theWitch Vox listing because um uh
whoever this guy is or thepeople, um, I think it's only
like one or two people runningthe site, they saw the need.
SPEAKER_01 (23:18):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (23:18):
And so they kind of stepped up to the plate.
And I think it's a wonderfulthing.
So uh yeah, we'll kind of put alink to that as well.
But yeah, you can absolutelylist your group there.
Yeah.
Um there are I think he's alsolisting shops.
Yeah.
Like uh metaphysical shops andthings like that.
Yeah, that's there's a fewthere.
Those are probably some goodresources for you.
SPEAKER_01 (23:39):
You can see I think they even list some podcasts and
some other things.
And they I believe they do,yeah.
There's a lot of there's thereare a good bit of r resources.
So um, yeah, that's that's agood place to go.
You know, I did I would even goas far as if you really wanted
to, and you do have some covensin your area, even though you
(23:59):
might not be interested in them,I would still reach out to them
and talk to them.
SPEAKER_02 (24:04):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (24:05):
And ask them what they did and how they did it.
And again, those connections aregonna help.
SPEAKER_02 (24:10):
Yeah, and understand there's probably some things
they're not gonna talk about.
Right.
But um, I think overall, that'sa great idea.
SPEAKER_01 (24:18):
I mean, because occasionally we get people and
I'm kind of like, uh, this mightnot be the best fit for you, but
hey, there's this group overhere.
Um you might be more up youralley and suit you.
SPEAKER_02 (24:27):
Absolutely, yeah.
You know I mean you you want tohave that in your back pocket,
absolutely.
SPEAKER_01 (24:32):
So again, cutting yourself off from them is not
necessarily a good thing.
So again, might not agree withthem on everything, but just
kind of like take your what isthat, your your your stone face,
I guess, and just go, uh-huh,really?
Okay.
Yeah, yeah.
And that's what you're doing,all right.
Right.
(24:54):
Now again, there's a lot of andagain, as far as finding rituals
and stuff, I mean, there's butI've there's a bunch of weddings
out there.
Oh yeah.
Pagan weddings and funerals andstuff like that.
SPEAKER_02 (25:08):
Well, look, probably one of the easiest things to do.
Find you a book that has likethe typical wedding.
Yeah.
And just modify it.
That's all.
Modify it to make it pagan.
Modifying modify it to make itto to do what in the world you
(25:28):
believe.
Right.
But I'm just saying that'sthat's like the it's because
it's already it's already got aformat.
SPEAKER_01 (25:34):
Right.
I mean, because look, that's allwe're doing.
We're just going around andtelling we're just literally
going around telling people thisis what we believe.
This is how we practice thewhole nine yards, and either you
do it or you don't.
SPEAKER_02 (25:46):
Yeah.
Now I think you can probablyfind them online, but I know
there's a there's a minister'shandbook that has things like
weddings and funerals.
SPEAKER_01 (26:00):
Um I I think that I think that's the book you're
talking about.
I think that's part of theCatholic tradition.
SPEAKER_02 (26:05):
Um I don't know.
My mother had one.
Um I think we have a copy of ithere.
Here somewhere.
Um, but yeah, it's I think it'sjust called the minister's
handbook.
SPEAKER_01 (26:15):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (26:16):
And it's got some of those ceremonies in it.
Grab me a copy of that.
SPEAKER_01 (26:21):
And it does, it does have other resources for you in
there.
Absolutely.
Can be used.
Do not throw things.
Don't turn, don't snub your noseup at any religion when you're
trying to do this.
You're gonna want all right.
SPEAKER_02 (26:35):
You can pull from anywhere.
Right?
Just saying.
Don't don't throw the baby outwith the bathwater.
SPEAKER_01 (26:42):
Please.
So so so that now this person,this fan's gonna be like, okay,
no, I'm not doing this.
That was way more information.
I've changed my mind.
Well, in that case, we're gonnago have coffee and you go have
(27:02):
another glass of tea.
Absolutely.
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SPEAKER_01 (00:24):
So every so often we keep on getting these comments
and it's nobody's in my area.
Where what do I do?
I can't find nobody.
I can't do all right.
Or there are people in theirarea and none of these places
fit you.
Right.
Okay, one of the two choices.
All right.
So how do you start a coven?
(00:45):
How do we do it?
That's a good question.
Oh Lord, it's me answering that,ain't it?
SPEAKER_02 (00:52):
Well, go ahead.
I was gonna say I think I thinkfirst of all, what you need to
do is you if you're gonna dothat, if you've come to this
conclusion, okay, this is myonly option.
SPEAKER_01 (01:02):
Right.
Then the answer is yes, youstart your own coven.
Yes.
Just to play an outside, yes,you start.
SPEAKER_02 (01:11):
But I think I think one of the f one of the first
places you have to look.
You have to know what youbelieve in.
Yes.
If you don't, it's it's notgonna work.
It's because you've got nofoundation.
Right.
So what I'm gonna suggest youtake the time and you write down
what you believe in, what mythsyou follow, what what what
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ethics and what morals where dothey come from and all that.
SPEAKER_01 (01:38):
So and again, if you don't have all the answers to
start off with, don't worryabout it.
At least make a note.
Hey, this is what I have to doand why.
SPEAKER_02 (01:47):
Yeah, because you've got to understand this is gonna
be a long process.
Oh, God.
This is not gonna happen withina year's time.
Well, it might, depending on howwell you organize your
information, but and your friendgroup and all that.
SPEAKER_01 (02:01):
So again, because here's what I would suggest.
I would start off with doing myown personal rituals.
All right.
I'd get comfortable with thecircle casting, doing and
performing rituals, writingthem.
Yep.
The whole nine yards.
All right.
And then you're gonna have tostart asking yourself some
certain other things becauseyou're trying to become a priest
(02:22):
or a priestess of the religion.
So that means there are gonna becertain responsibilities and
duties your people who join yourtemple are gonna expect.
Which you have to think about.
SPEAKER_02 (02:33):
And that you're gonna expect them to do.
Right.
Uh so that kind of works bothways.
So you're gonna Yeah, so youhave to think about okay, what
are my neophytes going to beresponsible for?
SPEAKER_01 (02:41):
What am I gonna be responsible for?
Am I gonna have a degree system?
Right.
Am I even gonna do a degreesystem?
Am I gonna teach?
Are we gonna be are we gonnafollow a specific tradition
versus being more eclectic?
Or am I gonna make up my owntradition?
Whatsoever.
SPEAKER_02 (02:58):
So yeah, all things to consider.
SPEAKER_01 (03:01):
All these things are to consider in that rainbow.
Our people expect us to becounselors.
Yes.
Our people expect us to becertain things to them
throughout the day.
So you also need to take thatinto account.
Right.
Because you're becoming a leaderof people.
Right.
A spiritual leader of people.
Like it or not.
(03:22):
Like it or not.
And I will suggest this for allthose who are doing this, please
remember a priest, thepriesthood in all this, our job
is only about your soul.
Right.
That's it.
This is the only advice we'regonna give you.
We're only giving you religiousadvice.
Right.
We're not telling you if yougotta leave your wife or husband
(03:43):
therapy's for.
SPEAKER_02 (03:47):
You need to go seek counseling.
You need to go seek counseling.
SPEAKER_01 (03:50):
Find yourself a marriage counselor, because I'm
not touching that.
Right.
I deal with spiritual mattersand religious matters.
So here we are.
And you know, when we do counsela little, and it does sometimes
get into the personal, you needto know when to go.
Okay, no, that's not something Ineed to know.
Not my field of expertise.
Not my field of expertise.
Please learn that.
(04:12):
Not my field of expertise.
Yes.
Please learn your field ofexpertise.
Yes.
Um after that, I would juststart inviting one or two people
over to start doing ritual withme.
And I would teach them and say,here's the circle casting we're
going to use, here's how we'regoing to perform it.
Right.
And the whole nine yards.
(04:32):
Okay, no, no, no.
We're all going to cast circletogether or we're not, or pick
something and stick, especiallywhen it comes to circle casting,
stick with it.
Stick with it.
All right.
Lay something down and make itconcrete.
Right.
Because that's one less becausecircle casting never actually
changes.
All right.
You can just learn one and justkeep on casting circle that way
(04:53):
if it works for you.
Absolutely.
How do you know if it's notworking for you?
You'll know.
Well, the more than likelythere's going to be funny stuff
happening, electrical problemsand other repairs that seem to
be coming up in your house on aregular basis.
That's this energy escaping fromthat circle.
Right.
Just to let you know.
So you might want to do adifferent circle.
(05:14):
And that might and that mighttake a while.
It might.
It could take.
It's going to be some trial anderror.
It's going to be some trial anderror there.
That's where I would start.
Okay.
All right.
And then once I built up mypeople and stuff, maybe then I
would start looking into the501c3 stuff.
Yeah, I would definitely suggestlooking into that.
All right.
Now I will sit here and tell youwhat Lord Minn told me that if
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he knew back then what he knewwhat he did in the future was
they filed for the state firstfor their tax exempt status,
then they filed for the federal,which made it more complicated.
Right.
It's easier if you do thefederal first.
Then get the state.
Then do the state, yeah.
Then do the state.
Just and trust me, there areplenty of books out there on how
(05:57):
to run a 501c3.
Yes.
Please buy them books.
Make yourself available of thesebooks.
These aren't these aren't themajority of them aren't big
books, and yes.
SPEAKER_02 (06:06):
But yeah, they'll don't help you fill out the
paperwork and paperwork and allthat.
SPEAKER_01 (06:11):
And explain the laws and stuff like that.
And yes, it's a boring read, andGod forbid.
But you can get through it.
It does tell you how to do somefundraising and how to do
certain things.
Um I think I still got like fivein my wish list to buy and read.
So yeah.
(06:32):
Oh yeah, definitely.
So I mean just to let y'all knowhow many I keep on reading
through.
SPEAKER_02 (06:37):
So But yeah, use use resources that are available to
you.
I mean, because you do have tokind of think of it sort of as a
business.
Yes.
Because chances are at somepoint, you know, you're gonna be
you're gonna have m incomingmoney, possibly.
Possibly.
You need to know how to dealwith donations of varying kinds,
(06:58):
could be food, could be money,could be whatever.
But you you need to you need toknow how to account for that.
Right.
You need to know somebookkeeping.
SPEAKER_01 (07:06):
Yep.
See, see, I the the farther wego down this list, you're you I
think I hope people are startingto realize why in the world it
takes two of us to run a temple.
Yeah.
Well, actually it takes aboutthree.
SPEAKER_02 (07:20):
Yeah.
I would say it's good to have apriest, a priestess, and then
one other.
One other.
I mean, that's you need thepriest and the priestess for the
balance aspect, but one otherperson to kind of help keep
things grounded.
Right.
To kind of do the grunt work fora little bit.
(07:40):
Yeah, you need a third person.
SPEAKER_01 (07:41):
You need a third person.
It it does help.
Because I mean, because then yougot to start thinking about
stuff like this.
Are we going to meet at theSabbaths?
Are we gonna meet at the fullmoons?
Are we gonna do the new moonstoo?
Mm-hmm.
You know, how many times are wegonna get the times are we
meeting?
Yeah.
I mean, like for our for ourtemple, we normally do all the
(08:02):
full moons and all the sabbaths.
Right.
We do we do occasionally do anew moon meeting, but that's
normally just first degrees andup.
SPEAKER_02 (08:11):
But that's like a business meeting.
Yeah, it's it's very it's veryinformal.
There's nothing really spiritualat all in there.
SPEAKER_01 (08:18):
It's mostly business.
It's mostly business.
So, I mean, majority of thetime, and maybe a few things
said about, you know, I I thinkwe have done a few things on
like uh you're in them aboutcircle casting or um Well yeah,
or how to write ritual, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (08:34):
It's a good time if you're gonna do, you know, if
you're gonna do new moonmeetings or any full moon
meetings or whatever.
It's uh it's a good time tofield additional questions.
Right.
Um, maybe hold a little workshopor whatever.
It's it's a good time for that.
SPEAKER_01 (08:51):
It is a good time to do that too.
So again, these are the thingsyou gotta think about.
All right.
Then then there's the wholeentire, okay, so we're gonna do
the Sabbaths, are we gonna feastafterwards?
In other words, are we gonnacook a dinner and and and how
elaborate are we gonna makethis?
SPEAKER_02 (09:06):
Right.
Is it gonna be like three-coursemeal, four-course meal, or is it
gonna be potluck, or is itRight.
You know, how are you gonnahandle it?
How you gonna handle it?
I suggest potluck because thattends to work really well.
SPEAKER_01 (09:18):
It it it does.
SPEAKER_02 (09:20):
Just can just keep a keep a list of who's bringing
what.
SPEAKER_01 (09:23):
But yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (09:24):
And that way there's no duplicates.
SPEAKER_01 (09:26):
I'm trying to think of anything other grand that you
really need to do to actuallystart a temple.
You know, you're gonna have tomake some decisions, all right?
Because there are some templesthat are other things too.
All right.
They're they're they're not justchurches, these aren't just
temples and churches, sometimesthey're activist groups too.
(09:46):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
All right.
So again, you you're gonna haveto ask yourself, are we going to
be that type?
Now, again, I I I tend to tellpeople not to, because my fear
is always the activist groupwill take over and you won't
have no religion anymore.
SPEAKER_02 (10:01):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (10:01):
Or your religion takes over to where in the world
you don't have the activismanymore.
SPEAKER_02 (10:05):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (10:05):
Personally, I think you should keep them separate.
SPEAKER_02 (10:07):
I think so as well.
From each other.
Nothing wrong if you want tohave an activist group.
No.
But keep it separate from thechurch.
From the church.
SPEAKER_01 (10:16):
Yeah.
Are are you with what I'msaying?
So and again, so again, I'm I'mnot sitting there telling you
not to tell you people not to goout and be political or protest
or whatever they want to do.
I'm just saying you might wantto look at them and go, hey,
when you come here, we're notgonna Right.
That's not part of what we do.
That's not part of what we do.
We're here to worship the Godand Goddess.
We're trying to build this pathand this way of life for
(10:40):
ourselves and what we believein, become better people.
Right.
Because if you're following thisreligion and you're not and
you're following these beliefsand you're not becoming a better
person, what's the point?
SPEAKER_02 (10:52):
Right.
I think I think that's a veryimportant side note to all of
this is that it is for yourgrowth, your personal growth.
Growth.
And and that's what we'retalking about.
That growth, that for you.
I just Right.
And it and whatever you'redoing, it it should, in my
opinion, and in yours,apparently.
(11:13):
It should make you a betterperson.
It should be down the woman, itshould make you want to be a
better person.
Yeah.
There should be aspects theregoing, no.
And you know, think of it aswhatever you're gonna be
teaching, those are the tools tobecome that better person.
SPEAKER_01 (11:30):
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (11:31):
So, you know, you gotta keep all that in mind as
well.
SPEAKER_01 (11:34):
So, I mean, there's a lot to go on in running the
temple.
I mean, uh hell, just how longhave me and the lady been
working on our first two rebecause we're trying to redo the
first three classes.
SPEAKER_02 (11:47):
That's been going on, I think, for probably close
to a year now.
Yeah.
If not longer.
SPEAKER_01 (11:53):
If not long.
And this and it make it evenworse was we're not writing
anything.
We already have the data.
I mean, are you writ with me?
We already have the info.
SPEAKER_02 (12:03):
This is just us trying to consolidate, remove
out some unnecessary stuff, therepetitive information.
SPEAKER_01 (12:11):
And so, and the reason I the reason I'm bringing
this up is when we talk aboutall this stuff you got to build
up and everything, sometimes wehave to go back and redo again.
SPEAKER_02 (12:22):
Oh, absolutely.
At some point, you're gonna windup with so much information in
your books, right, if you will.
SPEAKER_01 (12:29):
Because each person you bring in, each person you
bring in is a new stream ofinformation being brought into
your temple.
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_02 (12:37):
And it should influence to some extent of
what's going on.
Yeah, of what's going on, andhopefully those people are
contributing to the informationthat you're putting out and
helping you grow.
SPEAKER_01 (12:50):
So again, right, don't think of this as you doing
it completely by yourself.
No.
All right.
You may may start out that way.
SPEAKER_02 (12:59):
It might, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (13:00):
I mean, and don't get me wrong, people showing up
at first might not be quite ashelpful, but over time, over
time they will be, they willbecome more helpful the more
they're around, the more thatthey do, the more that they
interact.
SPEAKER_02 (13:11):
Well, and part of that comes from you being
comfortable in that position.
Right.
So the more you may start out,and you if you start out just
teaching, you may be a littleawkward.
It's natural.
SPEAKER_01 (13:25):
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (13:26):
The more you do it, the more comfortable you get
with it, the more natural itfeels.
Right.
The more you become familiarwith the information and and
once that happens, it putspeople more at ease.
SPEAKER_01 (13:37):
Mm-hmm.
It makes this process move awhole lot faster.
SPEAKER_02 (13:40):
It makes it move faster, makes it move more
fluid, and it encourages them tocontribute.
SPEAKER_01 (13:47):
I will give you, I would give anyone starting their
first temple one more piece ofadvice, at least.
You are not their friends.
No, no, the priesthood is notyour friend.
You cannot I why why there arepeople I love them to death in
temple.
They're not my friends.
I have to be honest with them.
Right.
(14:07):
I'm not gonna sit there and justpat them on the back because
whether they're my friend, Iwant them to feel good and be
happy and all that.
Right.
So, yeah, there are gonna betimes you're gonna be having
conversations with people thatare very uncomfortable, some of
them are might be very personal,and some other stuff.
Are you willing to put up withthat?
Right now, let's talk about whathappens.
(14:31):
So you're you're starting totemple.
What happens when a doll blowsup in your face?
And because that stuff happenstoo.
SPEAKER_02 (14:40):
Yes, it does.
Personalities.
Yep.
How are you gonna handledisputes?
How are you gonna handlearguments?
How are you gonna handle thedrama?
SPEAKER_01 (14:51):
Drama.
Now, in our temple, here's howwe normally do it.
All right, our high priestessalways works as or always
basically fills in as the judge.
And me and you fill in as theprosecuting and defense to some
degree.
To some degree, yes.
Right.
But the first thing we do is weactually pull out the laws from
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Lady Sheep, or at least the newbook of the laws from Lady Sheep
and start going through them,talking about the situation, the
whole nine yards.
Well, especially if we'redealing with initiates,
especially if we're dealing withinitiate.
And to make it even worse.
People who are bound by thelaws.
Right, because again, we're not,and again, we're not having this
conversation in front of thelady.
No.
We're just getting our stufftogether.
(15:34):
Right.
That's it.
Then we actually meet with thelady, and there's normally a
process to where both offendingparties, because you've got to
at least have two, or if notone, I guess one could be
possible, and you bring them inand you hear their side of the
story.
Right.
Then that person leaves, andthen me and you start in on our
spill where we basically recitethe laws and say, this is where
(15:56):
this law is, this is what itlooks like to me, blah, blah,
blah.
And the whole nine yards, thenthe lady makes her decision.
Right.
All right.
Now I'm going to tell you rightnow, the majority of times if we
have two people that arefighting and they will not fix
the problem themselves, normallythe solution is to ask both
parties to leave.
Right.
Because again, by picking oneover the other, you're now
picking a side and you've justbecome you've just stepped into
(16:18):
friendship zone.
Right.
And you're no longer the priest.
The priest or the priestess,yes.
All right.
Because again, your duty andresponsibility is to the temple.
Right.
Right.
You have to think about thegreater good.
All right.
And again, when you're whenyou're sitting there and you're
doing this stuff and you got aroom full of 13 people and two
(16:39):
of them don't want to get along,you got to do something.
SPEAKER_02 (16:43):
Well, and you know, that's another thing.
When you're bringing people in,you need to have some type of
interview process.
You need to have, and I thinkthis is the reason why a lot of
covens, like especially, I thinkespecially in Gardnarian covens
and Alexandrian covens, theyhave what's referred to as an
inner court and an outer court.
The outer court is a chance forto see how these people are
(17:05):
going to interact, interact witheach other.
Right.
And from that you can kind ofsee how they're going to act
with the people who are alreadyon the inner court.
SPEAKER_01 (17:14):
I mean, because because to some degree, we are
starting to implement this typeof process at our pimple.
To some degree we are, yeah.
Because again, here's wherehere's where we have problems,
all right, is I will get a phonecall.
Hey, I want to take classes.
SPEAKER_02 (17:28):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (17:29):
I meet up, I meet with the person, whatever, and
finally get their first classset up, do the first class the
very next day, hey, I'd like totake what couldn't you call it a
week ago?
SPEAKER_02 (17:40):
Right.
And sometimes it's you know,like a month down the road where
this person's already had twoclasses.
SPEAKER_01 (17:47):
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (17:48):
And so now it's okay.
You have to start another class,do I try to get this person
caught up?
SPEAKER_01 (17:54):
The decision you need to make is a, do I need to
do that?
Do I need to get them called up?
How many, how many class howmany different classes do I want
running it concurrently with oneanother?
Right.
Because I'm sorry, keeping upwith three or four different
people.
It's not easy.
It's not easy.
SPEAKER_02 (18:08):
We've done that, and it's not easy.
You know?
That's even that's even puttingit in the calendar with
reminders that pop up.
It's not easy.
Because sometimes it's like, ohGod, what class was this?
SPEAKER_01 (18:24):
What were we talking about?
Who's coming today?
Oh, okay.
Never mind.
I realize that I I I no longerhave my weekends free because
I've scheduled classes from nowuntil the end of the year.
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (18:36):
For every weekend.
SPEAKER_01 (18:37):
For every weekend.
How far are you willing to gowith this?
So again, these really thinkabout it.
Again, I know we're getting alittle bit bizarre here, but
again, these are questionsyou've got to ask yourself.
Yeah, because it does happen.
Right.
Don't get me wrong.
There's a lot of books out therethat sort of help you.
There are.
All right.
Let me see if I can recommend afew.
Um, A Witch's Bible or TheWitch's Bible complete.
(19:01):
Uh that and that has some goodinfo in there.
It's a little difficult to read.
Yeah, it can be difficult toread.
It can be difficult to read.
I would suggest there's a lot offootnotes.
SPEAKER_02 (19:09):
Yeah.
And a lot of references tothings that happen in other
parts of the book.
SPEAKER_01 (19:15):
The Spiral Dance, she's got a few good frameworks
on how to run some temples.
I'm I'm there's a few others outthere.
SPEAKER_02 (19:22):
I I think there's actually one that says how to
start a coven.
SPEAKER_01 (19:25):
Yeah.
And I don't know how good it is.
SPEAKER_02 (19:28):
I don't I don't think I've read it, or it's been
a while since I have read it.
SPEAKER_01 (19:31):
But there are a few good books out there on how to
create a coven.
Yeah, absolutely.
All right.
And again, like I said, you themain things you gotta ask
yourself is these things.
Right.
And you and again, utilize yourresources.
Utilize them.
All right.
I mean, listen to the podcast,listen to other podcasts.
Matter of fact, go ask otherpeople, other podcasts this same
(19:54):
question and see if you get adifferent answer than what we're
giving you.
Right.
You know, so again, a lot ofquestions here and a lot of
things you have to decide onwhat in the world to do.
But I'm still back to yes, startit, do it.
Nobody said you couldn't.
Right.
Because here's my honest belief.
You you can believe me if youwant.
I truly believe if you're ifsomebody does this and they
(20:14):
start, somehow the gods willmake it to where in the world a
more well-trained traditionalistwill somehow come into this
person's life going, oh here Ican help you with all that.
Oh, here, this is a piece ofcake.
Hold on, let me just cause I'vebeen doing it 15 freaking years.
Right.
And I believe that does happen.
(20:35):
Because I mean, we've had thatthroughout why in the world, we
would have been running temple.
That strange person that justshows up and Yeah.
I don't know how to explainthat.
SPEAKER_02 (20:44):
But you know it is difficult to explain.
Explain, you know, it's justit's kind of odd.
SPEAKER_01 (20:49):
It's kind of odd.
You know, it's just all of asudden these people show up and
you're like, Well, where wereyou when I was hunting?
Oh, I just moved to the area andI saw your temple.
I just Where were you 15 yearsago?
I mean, don't get me wrong.
I'm not gonna sit here and saywe weren't lucky because Lord
Mean had already done a lot ofthis work.
(21:10):
He did a lot of the groundwork,yes, he did.
All right.
So again, I'm counting myblessings there.
Uh oh, absolutely.
All right.
So again, get mad at me if youwon't, but again, somebody still
had to do this work.
SPEAKER_02 (21:23):
Well, and then too, just because he laid the
groundwork doesn't mean that youdidn't make it your own.
SPEAKER_01 (21:30):
Right.
Or contribute and do everythingout of the way.
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (21:32):
Again, it's people contributing and you know,
changing information, addinginformation.
SPEAKER_01 (21:38):
I mean, because well, in our temple, for
example, first degrees,everybody gets pretty much the
same general teaching.
Second degrees, we require youto pick a specialty.
Herbalism, folklore, don't care.
Pick something.
Right.
That's where you're gonna getmore of that information in, is
when you have those people thatcome in with that specialty set.
(22:00):
When that woman comes in andgoes, Oh yeah, I've been
practicing herbalism for reallybecause now you have real-world
practical experience that's notnecessarily in a book.
Right.
Well, I can follow a recipe in abook if I've done the recipe a
few times.
I I can kind of play with it alittle bit.
Right.
You with me?
(22:22):
So these are all the things Ithink you anything else.
SPEAKER_02 (22:26):
God, I don't know.
We've covered so much.
Oh, God.
And you know, and and Iapologize because it's been like
an onslaught of information, butand you can always go back and
listen and stop and take notes.
SPEAKER_01 (22:39):
God, I s I sort of think we should have at least
made a checkoff list.
I know, right?
That might have been a good ideafor this episode.
Maybe.
Oops.
Oh well.
As far as now now gettingmembers and stuff like that.
I there's the um well, thereused to be Witch Vox, but
there's a few places out there.
SPEAKER_02 (22:58):
Yeah, there's there's a place where we're
listed.
Um, it's called MandragoraMagica, and they have listings.
Um they kind of took over theWitch Vox listing because um uh
whoever this guy is or thepeople, um, I think it's only
like one or two people runningthe site, they saw the need.
SPEAKER_01 (23:18):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (23:18):
And so they kind of stepped up to the plate.
And I think it's a wonderfulthing.
So uh yeah, we'll kind of put alink to that as well.
But yeah, you can absolutelylist your group there.
Yeah.
Um there are I think he's alsolisting shops.
Yeah.
Like uh metaphysical shops andthings like that.
Yeah, that's there's a fewthere.
Those are probably some goodresources for you.
SPEAKER_01 (23:39):
You can see I think they even list some podcasts and
some other things.
And they I believe they do,yeah.
There's a lot of there's thereare a good bit of r resources.
So um, yeah, that's that's agood place to go.
You know, I did I would even goas far as if you really wanted
to, and you do have some covensin your area, even though you
(23:59):
might not be interested in them,I would still reach out to them
and talk to them.
SPEAKER_02 (24:04):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (24:05):
And ask them what they did and how they did it.
And again, those connections aregonna help.
SPEAKER_02 (24:10):
Yeah, and understand there's probably some things
they're not gonna talk about.
Right.
But um, I think overall, that'sa great idea.
SPEAKER_01 (24:18):
I mean, because occasionally we get people and
I'm kind of like, uh, this mightnot be the best fit for you, but
hey, there's this group overhere.
Um you might be more up youralley and suit you.
SPEAKER_02 (24:27):
Absolutely, yeah.
You know I mean you you want tohave that in your back pocket,
absolutely.
SPEAKER_01 (24:32):
So again, cutting yourself off from them is not
necessarily a good thing.
So again, might not agree withthem on everything, but just
kind of like take your what isthat, your your your stone face,
I guess, and just go, uh-huh,really?
Okay.
Yeah, yeah.
And that's what you're doing,all right.
Right.
(24:54):
Now again, there's a lot of andagain, as far as finding rituals
and stuff, I mean, there's butI've there's a bunch of weddings
out there.
Oh yeah.
Pagan weddings and funerals andstuff like that.
SPEAKER_02 (25:08):
Well, look, probably one of the easiest things to do.
Find you a book that has likethe typical wedding.
Yeah.
And just modify it.
That's all.
Modify it to make it pagan.
Modifying modify it to make itto to do what in the world you
(25:28):
believe.
Right.
But I'm just saying that'sthat's like the it's because
it's already it's already got aformat.
SPEAKER_01 (25:34):
Right.
I mean, because look, that's allwe're doing.
We're just going around andtelling we're just literally
going around telling people thisis what we believe.
This is how we practice thewhole nine yards, and either you
do it or you don't.
SPEAKER_02 (25:46):
Yeah.
Now I think you can probablyfind them online, but I know
there's a there's a minister'shandbook that has things like
weddings and funerals.
SPEAKER_01 (26:00):
Um I I think that I think that's the book you're
talking about.
I think that's part of theCatholic tradition.
SPEAKER_02 (26:05):
Um I don't know.
My mother had one.
Um I think we have a copy of ithere.
Here somewhere.
Um, but yeah, it's I think it'sjust called the minister's
handbook.
SPEAKER_01 (26:15):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (26:16):
And it's got some of those ceremonies in it.
Grab me a copy of that.
SPEAKER_01 (26:21):
And it does, it does have other resources for you in
there.
Absolutely.
Can be used.
Do not throw things.
Don't turn, don't snub your noseup at any religion when you're
trying to do this.
You're gonna want all right.
SPEAKER_02 (26:35):
You can pull from anywhere.
Right?
Just saying.
Don't don't throw the baby outwith the bathwater.
SPEAKER_01 (26:42):
Please.
So so so that now this person,this fan's gonna be like, okay,
no, I'm not doing this.
That was way more information.
I've changed my mind.
Well, in that case, we're gonnago have coffee and you go have
(27:02):
another glass of tea.
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_02 (27:05):
Thanks for listening.
Join us next week for anotherepisode.
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SPEAKER_00 (27:24):
We travel down this trodden path, the maze of stone
and mire.
Just hold my hand as we pass bya steel blazing pyres, and so it
is the end of our days, to walkwith me till morning breaks, and
(27:45):
so it is the end of our days towalk with me till morning
breaks.
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