September 10, 2025 • 16 mins
A profound shift is occurring within modern witchcraft communities as second-generation practitioners—those raised in pagan households—begin to increase in number. This generational evolution brings unique challenges to pagan education that few elders anticipated.
This generational divide complicates traditional teaching methods. We draw a compelling analogy: even an experienced driver needs to adjust when suddenly driving on the opposite side of the road—expertise in one context doesn't automatically transfer to another.
As third and fourth generations emerge, witchcraft communities must balance honoring inherited knowledge while ensuring the depth of understanding isn't diluted across generations. What changes will be necessary to maintain the richness of pagan traditions while accommodating those who've never known another spiritual path? Follow Pagan Coffee Talk as we explore these evolving dynamics reshaping modern witchcraft.
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Speaker 1 (00:16):
Welcome to Pagan Coffee Talk.
If you enjoy our content,please consider donating and
following our socials.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
consider donating and following our socials when we
were coming up in craft.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
We didn't meet a lot of second generation witches.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
We are first generation.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Most of our elders were first generation.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Right?
Or would they be the firstgeneration and us be the second,
just be the third?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
no, because I'm talking about literally how
people are raised all right ifyou came to the craft from some
other religion or faith orbelief and you have accepted
craft, you're a first generationright.
Neither of us was raised incraft okay now, for the first
(01:20):
time historically, we got awhole lot of people who were
second generation craft.
They were raised in a paganhousehold.
Yes, they were raised withpagan beliefs and ideals.
They were not exposed to toanother belief system yeah, they
(01:46):
didn't convert.
That is a fascinating topic,because their views I've I've
learned many of their views arevery, very different and their
motives in craft are very, verydifferent than a first
generation's ever were.
(02:06):
And I want to talk about whatwe think the advantages and some
of the disadvantages are.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
What are some of their thoughts?
What are they perceivingdifferent than we are?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Okay, so for instance , somebody raised second
generation craft, divination,visualization, meditation.
These are things they wereraised with Right.
This is common knowledge, whichis interesting because that is
one of the hardest things.
Those concepts are verydifficult for us to teach.
(02:41):
First generation to learn andto teach.
And to do practice yes, so whenyou have a second generation
witch coming to a temple or youknow a coven wanting a more
formal education or wanting tolearn a different tradition,
that is an interesting thing,because they're already coming
(03:02):
to the table going.
I know that stuff, I know howto do that I.
I've done that my whole life.
Now what they so so?
So those are some of the thingswe see right right they.
Let's put it this way craft isnot as mystifying to them no a
lot of what craft teaches.
(03:24):
Yeah, they're like cool, I getit, that's you know.
Again, they've been brought upwith it.
What they often lack is aperspective on other faiths and
how those other beliefsinterplay with our own.
Okay, beliefs interplay withour own okay, and how it shapes
(03:45):
and forms a first generation'sviewpoint.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
So so in other words, they don't have that initial
knee-jerk reaction where I'msitting here doing something on
the computer, got youtuberunning and someone talks about
some religious thing even ifit's not my religion, make a way
, what, what, what?
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yeah, there isn't the .
So second generation craft,like I mean, like most second
generation people in any faith.
They don't question or feel theneed to explore theology in
quite the same way, because I'mgoing to be honest.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
I just sent you a video from a different show, but
they talk about some Jewishstuff there.
I was wanting your input on.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
We are fascinated by other religions.
We are fascinated by theology.
Not all second, sorry, I wantto say second degree.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
It's not second degree, second generation.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Not all of them have that pull, some do, but not all
of them have that pull.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Some do, but not all of them.
Um, it's also where I think,teachings that are set up for
first generation witches, which,again, is how most covens go
about their studies.
It's a lot of deprogramming.
It's a lot of deprogramming.
It's a lot of comparison.
(05:05):
It's a lot of you may have beenraised with this.
This is how we do things, thisis how it's different, and so
that can be trivial for a secondgeneration witch.
However, a lot of secondgeneration witches lack an
(05:25):
understanding of the why they doit.
Because, right, it's therepetition thing, it's it's oh
well, we do this because this iswhat I was taught and this is
the way it's done this is what.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
This is what this is.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
We always did this this is what we always did but
okay, why do we do it?
I don't know because it's whatwe did, right they don't have
any kind of knowledge of thehistory or the origin right, so
that can be tricky because we'rehaving to go a little bit
deeper with them, potentially onsome of that material which
(05:59):
under normal circumstances is anadvanced degree yes so yeah.
So it begs the question how muchdo we alter our teachings for a
second generation, which and dowe potentially need to isolate
(06:19):
them from a class of firstgenerations?
Speaker 3 (06:22):
well, my initial gut reaction would always be to base
it upon the person.
What in the world the person'sgoing?
Speaker 2 (06:31):
and how they're developing.
In the whole nine yards, ofcourse, but we can't negate the
fact that this person has thepotential to come to the table
with a lot more basic knowledge.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Because we have to argue the whole entire thing.
Am I going to lose this personbecause I have to do a two hour
meditation class for everyone?
Speaker 2 (06:52):
else?
Yes, exactly, and this personis just going to be sitting
there.
Yeah, I meditated for 45minutes this morning.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
I'm good, I'm good.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
There it is, and I'm using this term second
generation loosely in the sensethat maybe it's not craft, but
just any pagan or spiritualistbelief outside of the big three
you know.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
But this also brings up the question of what happens
with that third generation.
Are they going to lose evenmore of the wise?
Speaker 4 (07:23):
are they going to look yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:24):
I have to ask that if this process started in the
second, what's going to be inthe third?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
and the fourth.
I mean, I hate to say it, butlook at a lot of christians.
When you ask them why, on manyaspects of their fate, they
don't have an answer well, I, Iread.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Speaking of that, I remember a girl that had the
theory of I, if I write if Bible, I have to follow it because I
know it.
So if I don't read it when I goto heaven, I don't know what
you?
I didn't know Interesting.
I can plead stupidity to get in.
I can plead stupidity.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Yeah, that's interesting.
Huh, that's one way to go aboutit.
Don't know if I agree with that.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
But again, here's where in the world I think this
logic or this pattern ofbehavior can lead to yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Well, it's also how we end up with fundamentalists,
right, and that's a scarythought, because craft has never
been one for fundamentalism.
But it's easy to understand howthat can happen, right?
But we are seeing more and moreand more of it, a lot of the
people who come to a temple nowseeking additional education or
(08:34):
guidance.
They were already largelyraised with some very they're
basically coming prepackagedfirst degrees.
Kind of, and that's my point.
So we we had a student veryrecently who was like this and
we were sort of trying to get tothe bottom of was.
(08:54):
She raised in a familytradition is it just, you know,
general paganism, like what isthat background and how do we
address this?
Because to put her in a classwith a bunch of neophytes who
were former christians, whateverand to expect that this person
(09:17):
is not going to automatically.
A seem way more advanced rightand b not become bored seem way
more advanced right and b, notbecome bored.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Oh it's tough.
Well, and not piss off theother students or make the other
students feel, because againwe've had that.
I've seen that problem beforewhere I have one student that
wants to excel and it makes theother students feel a little bit
bad and you're kind of like Iknow, I know, and so it it of.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I think it is something that we have to be
better prepared for we so muchof our lecture series like.
When I look at it objectively,I realize that it is.
It's based on the perspectiveof first generation, it's based
under the guise of you have noprior knowledge of craft, or
very, very little.
You have no prior knowledge ofcraft, or very, very little.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Is it going to?
My question is to fix thisproblem or to help with this.
Is it going to take a secondgeneration to step up into a
role like ours and go?
I see your problem.
I can help y'all out.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Is it going to take that generation to see what I'm
asking it?
Maybe it also makes me wonderdo we need to, as the clergy,
create a sort of aptitude testwhereby we can take someone like
that and more or lessimmediately make them candidates
for initiation?
You know, maybe it's sort oflike, well, let's see if you can
pass the ged right, and if youdo, then let's give you, uh, a
(10:49):
couple of classes.
They're very specific to thistradition so that you're clear
on how it works, and then, ifyou'd like to be initiated, so
be it, because I feel likethat's really more of what that
is well, I mean, we, we sort ofdo that already.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
If you come from another temple and your
priestess and priest orrecommending, we automatically
sort of jump you over that firstdegree and but.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
But that's under the understanding that they're
coming from a recognizabletradition and we can talk to
their former priest or priestess.
A family tradition may not havethat kind of structure.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Might not.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
You know, or somebody who was just loosely raised by
what I'm going to call a hippiewitch, Because because again,
you, you, you run into that sameproblem that you saw in Karate
Kid.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Because because, again in Karate Kid, he, they
asked him what belt he was atthe beginning, at the end of it
and his teacher was kind of likeyeah, you're a black belt yeah
yeah, we did, he didn't do ityeah, that's what I mean there's
.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
There's such um a strange dichotomy there, and
also we do have to be cautious,because I think there's a
humility that is very different.
First generation witches aremore prone to coming to the
table and going I don't knowshit, I don't know what I'm
doing, I don't know, I want toknow right and I want to learn
(12:16):
and I'm very eager.
But they're willing to acceptthey don't really know anything
and so their minds are very opento the process.
A second generation might notbe that open.
A second generation often, Imean, they're feeling themselves
.
You know, there's a little bitof a sense of like I'm you know
(12:39):
they got a little bit of swag toit.
Yeah, I don't want to call itentitlement, because I think
that that's.
You know that's not correct.
But there's definitely a bitmore arrogance, a bit more
knowledge base.
It's not that they're not open.
They're very quick to say Ialready know that.
Right.
And you have to be careful too,because if you are a second
(13:03):
generation, Right.
You also have to acknowledgethat, while you may know that or
you may think you know,whatever that piece of
information is, keep the openmind to recognize that the
tradition you were raised in andthe tradition you're currently
standing in front of Could betwo different things altogether.
(13:23):
Could be differences.
Yeah, and you have to be opento learning.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
And then again, let's don't forget there's a
difference between a mysterybeing told to you at first
degree and the same mysterybeing told to you at second
degree.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
I also see it this way.
It's one thing to go yeah, Iknow how to drive a car, I've
been driving a car for 20 yearsand then you go somewhere where
they drive on the opposite sideof the road Guess what?
You're going to have a learningcurve.
Yes, I know that you know howto drive.
Yes, you can safely operatethis motor vehicle.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Don't think for a second that you're going to be
able to go on autopilot likeyou're used to doing.
And again, if you drive a stickor an automatic trying to drive
the other car, I cannot tellyou how many times I've reached
for a freaking clutch.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
I cannot tell you how many times I've reached for a
freaking clutch.
Oh God, it takes.
You got to be in the moment,right, you've got to be in the
moment, and you have to be alittle bit more mentally acute
to the task at hand instead of,yeah, like I said, just being
able to kind of go on autopilotand do it.
So it's something to thinkabout.
(14:27):
This is going to become moreand more common.
We are going to start seeingthird degree.
We're going to third generation, not degree, stop it.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
We're going to say, and we're going to say fourth
generation.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yes, and so on and so forth.
And that's look, on one hand,it's really cool, yes, on the
other hand, you know, I mean'sthat's what our founders hoped
for, oh they prayed yes, yes,that's what craft in the turn of
the century, you know, in the1900s, that's what they wanted.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
But now we're the ones staring at that reality and
going, oh shit, this is yeah,maybe, maybe we didn't think
this way all the way throughlike we should have.
We got to tweak it.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Yeah, it's also.
Sometimes I think you're goingto have to package things for
those particular students thatforces them not forces, but
guides them towards doing a bitmore theological research in
traditions they aren't familiarwith so they have a basis of
(15:31):
comparison, because it will bevery difficult for that person
to be an acting priest or apriestess when they're going to
have a hard time relating topeople who are?
Speaker 3 (15:43):
first generation and we will always have those yes
we'll always have converts we'realways going to have converts.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
It's going to happen.
For sure, wow yeah Wild.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Ready for some coffee ?
Speaker 1 (15:56):
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(16:40):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
consider donating and following our socials when we
were coming up in craft.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
We didn't meet a lot of second generation witches.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
We are first generation.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Most of our elders were first generation.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Right?
Or would they be the firstgeneration and us be the second,
just be the third?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
no, because I'm talking about literally how
people are raised all right ifyou came to the craft from some
other religion or faith orbelief and you have accepted
craft, you're a first generationright.
Neither of us was raised incraft okay now, for the first
(01:20):
time historically, we got awhole lot of people who were
second generation craft.
They were raised in a paganhousehold.
Yes, they were raised withpagan beliefs and ideals.
They were not exposed to toanother belief system yeah, they
(01:46):
didn't convert.
That is a fascinating topic,because their views I've I've
learned many of their views arevery, very different and their
motives in craft are very, verydifferent than a first
generation's ever were.
(02:06):
And I want to talk about whatwe think the advantages and some
of the disadvantages are.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
What are some of their thoughts?
What are they perceivingdifferent than we are?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Okay, so for instance , somebody raised second
generation craft, divination,visualization, meditation.
These are things they wereraised with Right.
This is common knowledge, whichis interesting because that is
one of the hardest things.
Those concepts are verydifficult for us to teach.
(02:41):
First generation to learn andto teach.
And to do practice yes, so whenyou have a second generation
witch coming to a temple or youknow a coven wanting a more
formal education or wanting tolearn a different tradition,
that is an interesting thing,because they're already coming
(03:02):
to the table going.
I know that stuff, I know howto do that I.
I've done that my whole life.
Now what they so so?
So those are some of the thingswe see right right they.
Let's put it this way craft isnot as mystifying to them no a
lot of what craft teaches.
(03:24):
Yeah, they're like cool, I getit, that's you know.
Again, they've been brought upwith it.
What they often lack is aperspective on other faiths and
how those other beliefsinterplay with our own.
Okay, beliefs interplay withour own okay, and how it shapes
(03:45):
and forms a first generation'sviewpoint.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
So so in other words, they don't have that initial
knee-jerk reaction where I'msitting here doing something on
the computer, got youtuberunning and someone talks about
some religious thing even ifit's not my religion, make a way
, what, what, what?
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yeah, there isn't the .
So second generation craft,like I mean, like most second
generation people in any faith.
They don't question or feel theneed to explore theology in
quite the same way, because I'mgoing to be honest.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
I just sent you a video from a different show, but
they talk about some Jewishstuff there.
I was wanting your input on.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
We are fascinated by other religions.
We are fascinated by theology.
Not all second, sorry, I wantto say second degree.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
It's not second degree, second generation.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Not all of them have that pull, some do, but not all
of them have that pull.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Some do, but not all of them.
Um, it's also where I think,teachings that are set up for
first generation witches, which,again, is how most covens go
about their studies.
It's a lot of deprogramming.
It's a lot of deprogramming.
It's a lot of comparison.
(05:05):
It's a lot of you may have beenraised with this.
This is how we do things, thisis how it's different, and so
that can be trivial for a secondgeneration witch.
However, a lot of secondgeneration witches lack an
(05:25):
understanding of the why they doit.
Because, right, it's therepetition thing, it's it's oh
well, we do this because this iswhat I was taught and this is
the way it's done this is what.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
This is what this is.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
We always did this this is what we always did but
okay, why do we do it?
I don't know because it's whatwe did, right they don't have
any kind of knowledge of thehistory or the origin right, so
that can be tricky because we'rehaving to go a little bit
deeper with them, potentially onsome of that material which
(05:59):
under normal circumstances is anadvanced degree yes so yeah.
So it begs the question how muchdo we alter our teachings for a
second generation, which and dowe potentially need to isolate
(06:19):
them from a class of firstgenerations?
Speaker 3 (06:22):
well, my initial gut reaction would always be to base
it upon the person.
What in the world the person'sgoing?
Speaker 2 (06:31):
and how they're developing.
In the whole nine yards, ofcourse, but we can't negate the
fact that this person has thepotential to come to the table
with a lot more basic knowledge.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Because we have to argue the whole entire thing.
Am I going to lose this personbecause I have to do a two hour
meditation class for everyone?
Speaker 2 (06:52):
else?
Yes, exactly, and this personis just going to be sitting
there.
Yeah, I meditated for 45minutes this morning.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
I'm good, I'm good.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
There it is, and I'm using this term second
generation loosely in the sensethat maybe it's not craft, but
just any pagan or spiritualistbelief outside of the big three
you know.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
But this also brings up the question of what happens
with that third generation.
Are they going to lose evenmore of the wise?
Speaker 4 (07:23):
are they going to look yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:24):
I have to ask that if this process started in the
second, what's going to be inthe third?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
and the fourth.
I mean, I hate to say it, butlook at a lot of christians.
When you ask them why, on manyaspects of their fate, they
don't have an answer well, I, Iread.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Speaking of that, I remember a girl that had the
theory of I, if I write if Bible, I have to follow it because I
know it.
So if I don't read it when I goto heaven, I don't know what
you?
I didn't know Interesting.
I can plead stupidity to get in.
I can plead stupidity.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Yeah, that's interesting.
Huh, that's one way to go aboutit.
Don't know if I agree with that.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
But again, here's where in the world I think this
logic or this pattern ofbehavior can lead to yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Well, it's also how we end up with fundamentalists,
right, and that's a scarythought, because craft has never
been one for fundamentalism.
But it's easy to understand howthat can happen, right?
But we are seeing more and moreand more of it, a lot of the
people who come to a temple nowseeking additional education or
(08:34):
guidance.
They were already largelyraised with some very they're
basically coming prepackagedfirst degrees.
Kind of, and that's my point.
So we we had a student veryrecently who was like this and
we were sort of trying to get tothe bottom of was.
(08:54):
She raised in a familytradition is it just, you know,
general paganism, like what isthat background and how do we
address this?
Because to put her in a classwith a bunch of neophytes who
were former christians, whateverand to expect that this person
(09:17):
is not going to automatically.
A seem way more advanced rightand b not become bored seem way
more advanced right and b, notbecome bored.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Oh it's tough.
Well, and not piss off theother students or make the other
students feel, because againwe've had that.
I've seen that problem beforewhere I have one student that
wants to excel and it makes theother students feel a little bit
bad and you're kind of like Iknow, I know, and so it it of.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I think it is something that we have to be
better prepared for we so muchof our lecture series like.
When I look at it objectively,I realize that it is.
It's based on the perspectiveof first generation, it's based
under the guise of you have noprior knowledge of craft, or
very, very little.
You have no prior knowledge ofcraft, or very, very little.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Is it going to?
My question is to fix thisproblem or to help with this.
Is it going to take a secondgeneration to step up into a
role like ours and go?
I see your problem.
I can help y'all out.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Is it going to take that generation to see what I'm
asking it?
Maybe it also makes me wonderdo we need to, as the clergy,
create a sort of aptitude testwhereby we can take someone like
that and more or lessimmediately make them candidates
for initiation?
You know, maybe it's sort oflike, well, let's see if you can
pass the ged right, and if youdo, then let's give you, uh, a
(10:49):
couple of classes.
They're very specific to thistradition so that you're clear
on how it works, and then, ifyou'd like to be initiated, so
be it, because I feel likethat's really more of what that
is well, I mean, we, we sort ofdo that already.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
If you come from another temple and your
priestess and priest orrecommending, we automatically
sort of jump you over that firstdegree and but.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
But that's under the understanding that they're
coming from a recognizabletradition and we can talk to
their former priest or priestess.
A family tradition may not havethat kind of structure.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Might not.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
You know, or somebody who was just loosely raised by
what I'm going to call a hippiewitch, Because because again,
you, you, you run into that sameproblem that you saw in Karate
Kid.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Because because, again in Karate Kid, he, they
asked him what belt he was atthe beginning, at the end of it
and his teacher was kind of likeyeah, you're a black belt yeah
yeah, we did, he didn't do ityeah, that's what I mean there's
.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
There's such um a strange dichotomy there, and
also we do have to be cautious,because I think there's a
humility that is very different.
First generation witches aremore prone to coming to the
table and going I don't knowshit, I don't know what I'm
doing, I don't know, I want toknow right and I want to learn
(12:16):
and I'm very eager.
But they're willing to acceptthey don't really know anything
and so their minds are very opento the process.
A second generation might notbe that open.
A second generation often, Imean, they're feeling themselves
.
You know, there's a little bitof a sense of like I'm you know
(12:39):
they got a little bit of swag toit.
Yeah, I don't want to call itentitlement, because I think
that that's.
You know that's not correct.
But there's definitely a bitmore arrogance, a bit more
knowledge base.
It's not that they're not open.
They're very quick to say Ialready know that.
Right.
And you have to be careful too,because if you are a second
(13:03):
generation, Right.
You also have to acknowledgethat, while you may know that or
you may think you know,whatever that piece of
information is, keep the openmind to recognize that the
tradition you were raised in andthe tradition you're currently
standing in front of Could betwo different things altogether.
(13:23):
Could be differences.
Yeah, and you have to be opento learning.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
And then again, let's don't forget there's a
difference between a mysterybeing told to you at first
degree and the same mysterybeing told to you at second
degree.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
I also see it this way.
It's one thing to go yeah, Iknow how to drive a car, I've
been driving a car for 20 yearsand then you go somewhere where
they drive on the opposite sideof the road Guess what?
You're going to have a learningcurve.
Yes, I know that you know howto drive.
Yes, you can safely operatethis motor vehicle.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Don't think for a second that you're going to be
able to go on autopilot likeyou're used to doing.
And again, if you drive a stickor an automatic trying to drive
the other car, I cannot tellyou how many times I've reached
for a freaking clutch.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
I cannot tell you how many times I've reached for a
freaking clutch.
Oh God, it takes.
You got to be in the moment,right, you've got to be in the
moment, and you have to be alittle bit more mentally acute
to the task at hand instead of,yeah, like I said, just being
able to kind of go on autopilotand do it.
So it's something to thinkabout.
(14:27):
This is going to become moreand more common.
We are going to start seeingthird degree.
We're going to third generation, not degree, stop it.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
We're going to say, and we're going to say fourth
generation.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yes, and so on and so forth.
And that's look, on one hand,it's really cool, yes, on the
other hand, you know, I mean'sthat's what our founders hoped
for, oh they prayed yes, yes,that's what craft in the turn of
the century, you know, in the1900s, that's what they wanted.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
But now we're the ones staring at that reality and
going, oh shit, this is yeah,maybe, maybe we didn't think
this way all the way throughlike we should have.
We got to tweak it.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Yeah, it's also.
Sometimes I think you're goingto have to package things for
those particular students thatforces them not forces, but
guides them towards doing a bitmore theological research in
traditions they aren't familiarwith so they have a basis of
(15:31):
comparison, because it will bevery difficult for that person
to be an acting priest or apriestess when they're going to
have a hard time relating topeople who are?
Speaker 3 (15:43):
first generation and we will always have those yes
we'll always have converts we'realways going to have converts.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
It's going to happen.
For sure, wow yeah Wild.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Ready for some coffee ?
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Yes, Thanks for listening.
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Speaker 4 (16:16):
As we pass by a sea of blazing pyres, and so it is
the end of our day.
So walk with me till morningbreaks, and so it is the end of
(16:40):
our day.
So walk with me till morningbreaks, thank you.
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