2025 Week Four Review: Gophers Bye, Rutgers Preview, Iowa QB, Indiana/Illinois, Badgers Down Bad

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Glenn Mason said a long time ago at the University
of Minnesota, you need.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
A Pair and a spare.

Speaker 3 (00:04):
Thank you, PJ.

Speaker 1 (00:05):
This time for another edition of the Pair and a
Spare podcast. I'm justin guard from the fan. We've got
Chipskoggins from the Minnesota Star Tribune and football across Minnesota,
which we'll talk about today. And Ryan Burns from Gopher
Illustrated dot com, who is already testy. We haven't even
hit record. And the youngest one in the chat, Chipper
comes in, is the grumpiest. Well, how does that make

(00:26):
any sense?

Speaker 2 (00:27):
He came in. All you have to say is night games,
and it's just like light and a fuse. He just
goes off right, his head explodes.

Speaker 4 (00:32):
To be fair, I joined this call and all I
heard was Guardsy saying Ryan gets disgusted about it. And
I'm like, all right, that's a lot of things in
my life at this point. I'm an old cranky man.
But what are we talking about specifically here?

Speaker 3 (00:45):
Yeah, and then set you down the path.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
My kids activities always send you down a spiral of negativity.
And I'll tell you this, Burns again. I've told you
this before. I'm one of the conservative parents. Believe me,
we are not doing nearly as much as some of
the other families in our lock in our neighborhood. I'm
not saying it's not crazy, but I'm just saying we
are trying to have a normal I'll say it to
you this way. My kid only plays hockey in the

(01:07):
morning once a week. He doesn't do it twice, all right,
He doesn't do it twice like some other and three
times and four times like some other families out here
in the West Metro.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
Do.

Speaker 4 (01:17):
Don't get me started about the youth sports money grab phenomena.
I feel for you immensely, as I've told you so
many times before.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Yeah we do.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
We have a good betting process in the Guardsi household.
Even though I was never covered by the Minnesota Star Tribune,
I was not covered as one of the great athletes
of the two thousand and one class newspaper.

Speaker 4 (01:35):
I forget.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Just missed it. You just missed it.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Larry Fitzgerald, Mary and Barber, and Joe Mauer were the
athletes of my class. They chose to feature for some reason,
so I wasn't featured. But I did go through this
myself as a young buck. So I like to think
I have some experience on what not to do, but anyway,
that's not what this podcast is for. This podcast is
for college football. The Gophers are We're on a buy
this last week. And I'll say this, with both the

(02:00):
Vikings lost to the Falcons and the Gophers lost to Cal,
neither of those aged very well because neither of the
opponents that beat the Gophers or Vikings scored a point
in their next game. So, Brenzy, because you're the cranky one,
we'll start with you. How has the aging of the
cow loss hit you? After that thirty four donut loss?

(02:22):
One of your favorite teams, San Diego State, the as
Techs on the road, at least the as.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
Techs well, I could see Brian Dutcher was on the
sidelines doing a great job the entire time, and I
don't know why the Dunkers don't want to bring him back.
Oh the next basketball coach in twenty thirty three, whenever
that is? Yeah, apparently Danny Collins gave some heck of
a scout to San Diego State to make the Cal

(02:49):
quarterback complete forty four percent of his throws, multiple defensive
touchdowns in there. What's that about against an FBS opponent.
It's it was an odd week and college football, which
that's the beauty of eighteen to twenty three year old
You never know what you're gonna get.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
What did you think, Chip, I doubt you stayed up
to watch it?

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Yeah, I saw this zero but it was I. I
was texting Burns because I knew you'd be sleeping. I'm like, yeah,
this is not good.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah I did. I didn't step and watch it. You know,
obviously it makes the loss look worse. But I do
say this, You get in trouble when you start comparis
course in college football.

Speaker 4 (03:27):
Property in college football is just something you can't.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Yeah, if you get caught up in that, it'll bite you.
I'm not saying. I mean it's still as I'll reiterate
when I said last week it was a poor performance,
but uh, we get caught up in that lot. Well,
this team beat that team and that team beat that team,
so we must be better. Well, college football is so weird.
I mean a week the week obviously Cal played horribly
and as we saw all with the Vikings games, and

(03:55):
I think PJ stressed yesterday in his Prescott were money
is press conference turnovers. Man, that they just swing so
many games. So yeah, but it's not surprising. I mean
it's the cow guys is still a young quarterback, right,
he's gonna he's gonna have some stinkers in there, you know.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
So too is Cal approached that Minnesota game almost like
their Super Bowl Big ten team coming to town. And
then they had to go on the road. Now, on
the road from San Francisco to San Diego isn't exactly
a haul, but it's another post nine pm kickoff. It's
a lazy one on the road, and they just laid
an egg.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
I just think if you if you're not a great team,
And I don't think Cal is a great team. I mean,
they played a good ball game against the Govers, but
I don't think you might say that's a great team.
If you don't show up and play, you're gonna that's
gonna happen, right, If you play sloppy, it's gonna happen
to you.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (04:51):
I still think that team is gonna win eight nine
games this year.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
For their schedules. Their schedules favorable, for sure.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
We look at it, and again, I don't.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
Think the acc outside of a couple of teams is great,
but not a great way to go into the bye
week with a loss and then watch the team you
lost to get donuted by the fighting Sean Lewis's.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
So now Rutgers comes to town eleven o'clock kick nine am.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
Pregame on the fan.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
And look at him, rub his hands for the narrative.
Street here we go, get it out, get off your chest.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Speaking of Super Bowls, all right through the narratives. First, Bernsey,
or do you want to actually talk about like what
we saw from Rutgers Friday night against Iowa where it
was an offensive explosion in the first half and then
it was kind of some classic Iowa stuff in the
fourth quarter to steal that victory in Piscataway. What do

(05:41):
you want to do? First, Ryan, because this is your week.
Surprised you while you came in so cranking. This is
your week. You've been waiting since we got this schedule.
I think in late spring that this is the week
you wanted to talk about.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
Well, give me a moment here to put on my
penny loafers. As I started to do one of those
old timey cartoon strolls down the street with Rob Smith
making his baited breath return to hunting De Banks Stadium,
where we last saw him get forty. I think it
was fifty three points that I will put up on him.
In twenty eighteen, he also had Illinois. I mean, he

(06:14):
got fired midseason for a reason. He makes his return,
and I still have no idea how he is continuing
to be a powerful defensive coordinator because he gets fired
after two years. Everywhere he goes, Kirk Shiraka makes his
return after leaving twice. Athan calliak Man just makes his return.
You think about that twenty seventeen goph football staff and

(06:34):
PJ flex first season, Kirk Sharaki and Rob Smith were
the two coordinators. Well, I believe across the hall the
way I understand it are the quality control guys. There
were three guys on that staff. It was Greg Harbow
who's now the offensive coordinator, Danny Collins who's now the
defensive coordinator, and this young man now out at Michigan
State by the name of Joe ROSSI.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
Yeah, so that was a heck of a staff.

Speaker 4 (06:58):
Back in the day, they get to go against one another.
That's where last year Fleck really didn't acknowledge all of that,
and we can talk about if that actually spun Minnesota up,
if that just happened to be the way the game
played out. I'll say this. Fleck talked about it yesterday
more than he did last year. It's clear that he
doesn't want to blow this out of proportion, and I

(07:21):
get it because he's the mister Let's keep the noise
on the outside and let's keep the main thing the
main thing on the inside. It's just when Kirk Shiaka
now returns wearing a Rutgers polo. Same thing with Rob Smith,
same thing with Athan. Last time we saw him he
was getting booed off against Wisconsin at Honingbek Stadium. It's
tough to for me. You have to acknowledge it, not

(07:44):
blow it out of proportion. But you also have to
acknowledge that we're all human beings. And while this game
counts the same as any other of the twelve, I
can assure you that everybody on both sides of their
staffs Rutgers and Minnesota are going to be watching each
other's press conferences and seeing what each other says about
one another were human beings. An emotion is part of this.

(08:06):
It's even yesterday when Fleck says well, Athan's been in
the system now for five years. What my quarterback Dad's
show is going to one day get a launch on Netflix.
And that's where Athan cally Kmanus. His father then has
to clap back on Twitter and say, well, technically he's
only been in the city.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
Just my point. Oh did he clap back on Twitter?

Speaker 4 (08:28):
Yes, because parents can't resist. It's just you.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
Can't resist the phone down guys with the phones.

Speaker 4 (08:36):
It's something to note for Saturday where Athen's coming in
Red Hot and we can talk about that. But he's
this whole game on both sides. They want to probably
win at ten to fifteen percent more than they do
in a normal game, even though it counts the same.
That's all My point is.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Well, and you know how PJ feels about Greg Shiano too.
I mean obviously, yeah, their relationship.

Speaker 4 (08:57):
You don't want to lose their relationship, going from Chano
giving him his first powerful job to now, I don't
know that they're on the best of terms, even though
neither of them will say that publicly. It's yeah, it's
connections everywhere.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
It is. Well, yeah, he just keeps stealing coaches.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
I mean that's it.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Yeah, that's not going to be the best all the time.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
I know there's no friends in you know, blood and
war whatever they say, but it is what it is.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah, yeah, I was. We were all texting during the
game by takeaways, and I dug into some I actually
did some homework today this morning.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
About the podcast that.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
I just I don't really just live it on and
wing it. So but two things, I mean, the things
I text you guys here night is you've got to
be able to run on that defense. And I looked
at their stats. Rutgers has given up five point one
four yards per carry, which ranks one hundred and twentieth nationally. Obviously,
Darius Taylor, you know his status. You know you'll find

(09:59):
out two hours for the kick off their burnsy. But
they've got to be able to run the ball against them.
I mean they absolutely do. That's not a good defense.
And on the flip side, I like their wide receivers
a lot. Those guys are big Athan's, you know, throwing

(10:20):
the ball and spreading it to those guys. And I
looked it up. They don't have a ton of explosives.
If you if you count ten yard passes to nineteen
yard passes, so ten to nineteen. You know, it's I
don't know what if you call explosive more than twenty
but ten to nineteen they ranked third in the country
in number of those fifty five already in four games.

(10:40):
So basically, what's that fourteen game? So they're getting fourteen
completions of ten to nineteen yard passes.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Those are chunks.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Those are chunks, and those receivers are big and physical
and good. So I think he govers have to be
able to run the ball. And you know whoever that is,
we were talking about it in our text chain. I
don't know if it's you know, if they're down to
their third guy or what, but they've got to be
able to run the ball.

Speaker 4 (11:07):
Ethan is playing at a really, really high level, and
I know a lot of go fans don't want to
hear that. I think it's this is what we saw
the upside being and it wasn't there two years ago
when he became the guy. For a multitude of different reasons.
I think he's matured more. I think just fifth year
in a system, third year Alex calliack manis with me
or that on that it's an RPO type of system.

(11:30):
Even though Harbo's wasn't a perfect one for one back.
Then Ethan is currently, according to Pro Football Focus, the
highest graded passing grade quarterback in the country. The other
you mentioned the Chunk Place chip. There is not another
power to offense that has thrown more deep balls now
deep balls define a twenty plus yard throws than Kirk

(11:51):
Shiraka and Nathan kelliack mannis And if I had those
two six foot four gazelle's, I'd throw everything to them.
And those guys on Friday night against Iowa had more
contested catch wins. Yeah, in Minnesota's receiving cores combined does
through three games, like, it'd be interesting outstanding.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Yeah, apologize for It'll be interesting to see what Danny
does because you go back to last year and I
think we're all screaming at You're probably screaming on the
sideline in press box that's screening on TV. Like put
some pressure on him. I mean it just sat back
and let him get into a rhythm that first half.
It's like there was no it was a weird game plan.
And so this is where you need Anthony Smith, Josh Joyner, Devinie.

(12:32):
I mean, those guys need to be wreckers.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
It'd be great to have joy.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Sorry, Logan read, Logan reading. Sorry, yeah, Josh Jordan'd be
great to Logan reading, Yeah that's right, yeah, Logan reading. Uh,
Anthony Smith. Those guys need to be wreckers, right they
they need to be able to get pressure on Nathan
and make him uncomfortable when because we've seen that before, right,
I mean, if he sits back there and he gets
count went, he can throw to those big receivers, he
can get into a rhythm and and hurt you.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah, those catches on that last touchdown drive that they
had were they were impressive. That was the one where
I called you, Daniel House because you said, you know,
these receivers are going to be a problem called down but.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
I did my house homework tonight man or today.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah, they that was impressive because they went right down
the field on the on their last touchdown drive. I
ended up, you know, throwing a pick a little bit
later and we'll talk about kind of the the last
I would drive or second last I would drive that
gave them the lead. But yeah, that was definitely impressive,
and that would it appears that's a strength of theirs,
right Burns e that you got to pay attention to.

Speaker 4 (13:35):
Yeah, I think you got to give Kirk Shroka some credit.
And there's a reason why Minnesota brought him back. It's
the reason why PJ. Fleck had him as an offensive
coordinator for eight years between Western Michigan and Minnesota. When
this thing is humming, it's humming. When you have the
skill guys that they have at Rutgers right now, and
you have a quarterback and who's a senior has seen
a lot is playing largely, really really well, this thing

(13:57):
can go. And I think Kirk Shaka knows a lot
about how Minnesota is probably gonna want a game plan him.
The thing I would say is we need to see
Danny Collins adjust quicker the two things, and you harped
on him. Chip would be I would consistently try to
change the picture for aith and Calliac Manus show one
thing pre snap, change a post snap, the more a

(14:19):
than Calliac Manus is thinking. And you saw that as
the game went on, as Phil Parker and the Iowa
defense adjusted in the second half, that's where more errant
throws came. If I'm the Gopher defensive line and I
can't get pressure, I'm getting my hands in the passing
lane immediately because that ball is coming out quick, it's
coming out hot. And any deflected ones like you saw

(14:39):
Harrison Smith for the Vikings on Saturday, deflected balls are
something that this Gopher defense needs to capitalize on.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
Well, let's talk about the Rutgers defense. My favorite play
I think the most maybe the definition if somebody asked me,
can you define a Rob Smith defense, what's it look like?

Speaker 3 (15:01):
And it was in the second.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
Half Rutgers switched all of their defensive linemen to different spots,
like right before the snap, like it was just this
chaotic movement of these three win here, these two win here,
and then we're going back here with like five seconds
left on the game on the play clock, and Iowa
just ran it up the middle for nine yard, like.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
I go.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
If you're asking me my recollections back to the this
goes back to the first game. So you've heard, you've
heard some people in the broadcast booth tell the story
of the first game of pj's era where I'd come
from the Tracy Clays and j savel school of defense
with Mike Sheryl's there, and I'm I watched how those
guys operated, right and then I watched the new guy

(15:44):
for PJ, and I'm like, this seems chaotic and not
in a good way. It seems like there's a lot
of stuff going on that isn't good and I don't know,
and then you know, fairness and savagery. I mean, the
fact that he was a total dink every single Wednesday
when we talk to him for the coordinator availability did
not help my perception where he just couldn't have cared

(16:08):
less about any of our jobs that we needed to
do and almost reveled in it. So I typically don't
take huge public shots, but this one I don't have
a ton of problem with. Like, it's just it was
not an enjoyable experience to watch on the field or
deal with behind the scenes. And it is crazy that,
you know, like you said, Burnssey, how many jobs as

(16:29):
he had? Since here he's on a Jerry kill like
level of different jobs or Tim Brewster like level different jobs.
Things don't get better, and then all of a sudden
he's got another, you know, million dollar coordinator job. But so,
like Chip said, the numbers are right there for you.
What you need to do against this defense and what
you need to do against his defense, and you should
be able to control things against this defense. And obviously

(16:51):
Shiano's got his imprint on it as well, and I'm
sure he's probably, you know, the de facto coordinator.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
But this I think they should be able to move
the bok. I really do.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
I mean, Iowa looked like, you know, somebody, an Iowa
fan of my life texted me on Friday night and
was like, We're the new air Raid, We're the new
greatest show on term.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
What's going on here?

Speaker 1 (17:11):
And so I'm going to be disappointed if they don't
consistently move the ball and find their way into the
end zone on Saturday.

Speaker 4 (17:18):
That's the interesting thing is Rutgers is also the worst
yards per play team in the Big Ten. I think
they're allowing something like seven yards per play, which is eighteenth.
But the issue from Minnesota's offense has not been moving
the ball. They're putting up the second most total yards
of any Fleck offense against FBS opponents so far. I mean,

(17:38):
it's just behind twenty nineteen. It's finishing drives and it's
getting points and some of that's explosive plays, which I've
spent way too much time on Gopher Illustrated talking about
explosive plays, and I even wrote about it yesterday. No
one is disagreeing that the Gopher offense needs to become
more explosive, and they've struggled to do so. But it's
also within that they need some help from their defense

(18:00):
in the return game. And what do I mean by that?
Minnesota's offense has forty seven consecutive non garbage time drives
that have started from the forty five yard line of
the opponent into their territory. Essentially at forty five consecutive
drives chip where they haven't been in fueld goal range.

(18:22):
Every drive needs to go forty yards to get points. Yeah,
the last so that they had won late in the
game against Wisconsin last year, where they took over run
downs in garbage time. I'm not counting that you can
sample size whatever. The last one was when Derek Leacaptain
tipped a punt against Penn State and then on the
next play Harbo dialed up the trick play to Jamison

(18:45):
Gears for the touchdown. I'm not telling you that the
offense is without fault and they need to score points
in this game. They need to score twenty five plus
points with or without Darius Taylor. My point is the defense.
And I asked Fleck about this yesterday and I know
he didn't agree with me. I'm really any of my questions.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
That I had, I'm gonna bring that up.

Speaker 4 (19:06):
Yeah, I mean I brought up to him. You have
one defensive takeaway in your last five games against FBS competition,
and that was the Zeikwon Bryant interception of the bowl game.
He talks about the seventy eight percent metric, it's all
over the facilities. We've all seen it. Winning the turnover
margin and winning explosive plays are two thirds of that.

(19:27):
So it's not just the offense needing to find a
way to generate explosive plays, which they do. It's if
you're gonna get explosive plays on defense. Your last strip
sack was joh Joyner against Luke Altmeyer Illinois. That was
way too long ago, and then your last defensive interception
against an FBS opponent. I'm choosing my sample size to

(19:48):
take out Northwestern State because no matter what Chips Goggins
rights in the Start Tribune, that was not a good
football team that came in that day. They need to
be more impactful there or even with the return game.
We could talk about in the NFL or college football
last weekend, special teams impact plays were just in.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
A bund everywhere.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
Look look at the look at the Iowa Rutgers game.
You start the game with a hundred yard kickoff.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
Return untouched, untouched and didn't even have to move like
he just ran in a straight line.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
That you're right, No, you're right. They've got it. They've
got to, you know. And the the turnovers ones are
weird because we may have discussed this last week, but
it's not like they don't practice punching the ball out
doing those things.

Speaker 4 (20:35):
And it's taken away that any Greeter tweeted out the video, Yeah,
Minnesota replay there, I could have called the time out
to challenge it if you Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
And the Koy one, you know, he that's going to
be a pick six if it doesn't, you know, and
I and I understand all that, but but you're right.
I mean, they've they've got to keep trying to be
intentional punching the ball out. I mean, we we saw
Vikings when you're doing it, you know, you saw it
last night in the Detroit Lions game. When you punch
it out on Derrick Henry, you know, I mean it's
become a skill. So the explosive plays on offense. I thought,

(21:12):
you know, maybe I got fooled by the training camp
and watching the young freshman run down the field and
you know in seven on seven. But they've got to
figure out. And I agree, you know, your question the
Fleck was right on. It's like their pass catchers have
to be better. I mean, they just have to be better.

Speaker 4 (21:30):
Which was interesting to hear him essentially defend them, and
I think he and I didn't have a chance to
I guess clarify. I think he thought I was talking
about just the cow game, and it's not just the
cow game. It's been through three games. Things aren't caught
cleanly or their body caught, or there've been abysmalll contested
catches which are fifty to fifty balls. And I mean,

(21:53):
if I'm Minnesota and I'm without Darius Taylor, which he's
going to be at that twenty one day mark, I
think he is going to be as close to returning
as he possibly has been so far. If he does
not return, I'm putting this thing on Drake Lindsay because
they're also very susceptible through the air. But if Drake
Lindsay's gonna go out and throw for three hundred yards
and have multiple touchdowns, he's gonna need somebody to catch

(22:16):
the ball cleanly and stride, make a play, make somebody
miss after the tackle.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Hey, it all goes hand to hand.

Speaker 4 (22:24):
If you want to talk about playing complimentary football, which
Fleck always does, it has to be the offense helping
the defense. And even the return game. We mentioned the
Iowa returns. Minnesota in their last seventy six games has
one punt return over thirty yards and that was Coy
Parrott last year against me. They have one kickoff return
chip in their last twenty nine games that has gone

(22:46):
across midfield. I'm not asking for touchdowns. I'm just asking
for explosive place at some point from the return game.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Yeah, and you know, I started by saying they gotta
be able to run a ball, because Rutgers have been
atrocious at stopping the run. But I agree, if you
don't have Darius and you're down to your third and
he and if he's I mean, he's a you know,
in the sample size, we see he's look good. He
looks good and maybe he steps up and do it,
but I trust the quarterback. I feel like, and we

(23:13):
saw it. In my mind, Rutgers was gonna win that
game if on that third down they have an incomplete pass.
Iowa does, but the twenty one Rutgers defensive back basically
gets the Iowa guy in the headlock and tackles him.
And you know, for no reason, it wasn't he, it
wasn't even on the balls away from him. He just

(23:33):
did it. And that gave open the door for eye
when we see what happens in they go down and
score and then you know, they get the interception and
the game's over. So I absolutely think that secondary can
be tested for sure.

Speaker 4 (23:44):
Yeah, And like Tom Brady's ex wife racked mean on Saturday,
I know the game total is only at like fifty
and Minnesota is favored by five points. They are the
home team, they got a bye week to prepare while
Rutgers had to play Iowa. Other Rutgers is likely going
to be without one of their starting linebackers who went
down on the non contact injury. Yeah, but I have

(24:07):
I think Minnesota's defense is going to see the Kirkshiaka
eighth and RPO thing go well in the first half.
The question is if Minnesota, as they should be able
to do, put up twenty five plus points. And I
know some of our listeners are screaming, well, I will
put up thirty eight as an offense. They put up
thirty one because there was the return touchdown. But I
get what you're saying, trust me, I do.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
And the short field.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
After the at the interception, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (24:31):
What's the short field like for the Gopher offense and
assault it's.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Just un It's just probably take thirty right, just.

Speaker 4 (24:39):
The offense that is within this. That's all I'm trying
to say.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
You're right. And and Ethan, I mean.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
Frankly last year in Piscataway when Burnsy was amazed that
I knew every word to a bar song.

Speaker 4 (24:51):
By Shaboozi Nick Shaboozy guy justin Garden.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Huge still still to this day of Nick Shabuzzi. I
might listen to it on the way to the PJ.
Fleck radio show today just to get my right. Ethan
should have had two picks in the first half last
year like that was. And I think one of them,
at least one of them, Burns, if I remember right,
was to Justin Wally. It was just like stunning. I'd
never seen him in four years play a ball that poorly. Yeah,

(25:14):
Ethan should have been picked off twice and there should
have been a pick six right Ethan Robinson dropped one
two in the second half. So I guess the moral
is as well as Athan's playing, and he's playing, he's
obviously playing better. He should understand what Shiraka. Shiraka has
always been a big fan, right going back to high school.
They put everything into recruiting him to get him here.
He should be playing well as a you know, whatever

(25:35):
year senior he is, with familiarity in the system, He's
still going to give you opportunities though, and this is
going to be one of those games where you have
to take advantage of them where you just can't have
I mean, it was a legit pick six right in
front of me with Ethan Robinson, Wally. I'm still stunned
he didn't pick it off. And going back to cal
we talk about Coy's pick six that got deflected down
at the line. I thought he should have intercepted one

(25:56):
of the first passes of the game on the left
sideline right by It just took a weird just jumped weird.
It was almost like he didn't know what.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
Like almost the way the receiver car it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
The point is these other quarterbacks Cal certainly did and
we saw it the Aztecs, the fighting Steve Fisher's. To
even go back to an older coach Berns either you
might not even remember, Yeah, Brady Hoke. Yeah, like they'll
give you opportunities just because because that's who they that's
who they've been, that's who Athen's been. Obviously, he he

(26:30):
can put it because he does trust his arm, he
does trust his receivers. But that also means there's gonna
be some times where you got to just go make it.
So I think that'll tell the story.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Saturday, I saw his completion percentage is sixty eight percent.

Speaker 4 (26:43):
Yeah, he's never had one above fifty three for so
far as sixty eight right now just tells you how
consistently he's playing in the Sharrock offense.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
Yeah, and with that got pressure on him. Threw a
pick in the fourth quarter and in very Iowa like fashion,
right the ball.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
And he got hit right, then get hit off the line.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yeah, that goes back to get some pressure on them,
and they did that in the second half a year
ago and it made a huge difference.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
It made a huge, huge difference there.

Speaker 4 (27:10):
So you just got to storm to me because Rutgers
is going to hit their shot plays. They take more
shot plays than any more. Are like you have to
weather the storm. And then in the second half. We've
talked about first half eighth in versus second half eighth
in for too many years, and you saw it start
to come to fruition once Iowa figured out how to

(27:31):
change the picture on Athan and Kirk and get some pressure,
which getting pressure helps. But once you get pressure and
you get them sped up or you get them off
his first look, that's where things can You're gonna have
opportunities for takeaways. And this is a defense that needs
to get some takeaways to win the game on Saturday.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Last thing on the Gophers before we pause and maybe
spin around the Big Ten, including Iowa, Wisconsin.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
Things are Madison's in a bad way right now.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
We'll talk about that, Illinois, India, and we got a
lot more to get to do. We expect Cooy Parritch's
role to be any different on Saturday than it's been
Burnsy given the adventures on Saturday night in Berkeley.

Speaker 4 (28:11):
Yeah, there was a few things I thought were interesting
from Flex's response about how Koy is responding and just
essentially the safety play. He talked about how he felt
like the safeties in general were trying to just make
a big play, and I agree, it felt like Carrie Brown, Coy, Parris,
Aiden Gooseby, we're all trying to be twenty twenty three
Tyler Nubin and freelance a little bit against cal and

(28:33):
make the big play when the reality of safety play
is eighty percent of it is incredibly boring and it's
do your job, keep things in front of you, be
in your zone. And I think coming out to buy,
I wouldn't be surprised if they took him off of
either the return game or both offense just to get
him to focus. I mean, he's one of the most
confident individuals you'll ever meet, yep, and a lot of

(28:56):
that confidence comes from where his safety position is. And
I don't think he's necessarily had a great start to
the season. He's capable of being a very very good player.
It's why for those of you not looking at Chips
Goggins on YouTube, he's still got the Coy, Parritch jersey
hanging in the back from.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
Round and it's still white of defense.

Speaker 4 (29:17):
Yeah, look at that maroon and white.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 4 (29:21):
Getting him. I think there's a pretty good chance that
he's either off of offense or off of special teams,
just to get him to focus and get him playing
at a high level on defense because that that Danny
Collins defense needs it and they're going to be tested
on Saturday.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Yeah, and it's Yeah, it is interesting Fleck brought up
to not just him, but these guys are trying to
make plays right. And we talked about it last episode,
where the line between being confident and aggressive and getting
outside of the of you know, what your rules and
responsibilities are. And so I'm guessing the message got through,

(30:00):
you know, when you have a loss like that, I
think that probably gets attentions, you know, So yeah, is it?

Speaker 4 (30:14):
It?

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Would it be too knee jerk to just say, Okay,
you know what this experiment that we thought, we're just
gonna scrap it and go back to just playing defense.
I don't know, I don't know. I'm curious to that,
but I still feel like if if the message got
through to Coy that hey, you know, you gotta be
fundamentally sound here. Yes you're you're explosive, and yes you
want to return these things, but you got to understand

(30:35):
you don't catch the ball in the five yard line.
You don't catch a rolling punt like that.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
M hm.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
That he I still would want to see him returning
punts and Ki.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
You know, I don't know if I don't want to
take him off of that.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
I know I don't know either.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
It hasn't been good, but I still think he gives
you your best chances to give you what you want.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
You know what I mean, If you're asking me, I
would take him off of offense. And I think he
can be a really good receiver if he committed to
it full time. But the reality is they need him
on defense. I would take him off of offense, just
let him be defense in return, let him clear his
head and just focus on those two things for this
first game against Rutgers.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
But we'll see what Fleck decided to do well. And
part of it is and I've talked about this before.
You know, he never gets to sit down on these benches,
like I have yet to see him on the bench,
you know what I mean. Like he comes in, he
does this thing on defense and then he you know,
goes and stands and waits for whatever he's going to do,

(31:36):
whether it's offense, whether it's special teams like so, he
he literally never gets a break, which you know, he's
twenty years old and a phenomenal athlete. I'm not saying,
you know, he needs oxygen over there, but at some
point it probably would behoove somebody to just let him
sit down for three minutes and just kind.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
Of chill out. And I don't know how he goes.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
I don't know how he goes over all the things
he's supposed to go over. I know he's got different
coaches going to him at different times showing him stuff.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
But you guys know how a sideline is.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
Like on the defense after they come off after a series,
they're all there with the Microsoft surface tablets. In the
Rob Smith era, he'd have fifty sheets of paper. He'd
scribble a bunch of stuff and then throw him like
confetti at Times Square, you know, Jay saw Bell would
get the whiteboard and very calmly, sometimes not so calmly,
write things out. He might slam a marker on the
board like there's instruction and game plan stuff that goes

(32:25):
on during those times. And I'm not saying cloy, he's
not getting it, but it also might help him to
actually sit with the guys he's doing.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
It with for a little bit. Yeah, go over things.

Speaker 4 (32:34):
If that might take a breath. Giving him the opportunity
to take a breath off the by I think is
an outstanding idea.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
All right, I was trying to do something on the fly.
I don't know if you guys could tell that. I
was a little bit distracted. But you know what, It's
not gonna work because I didn't think ahead. I wasn't
like Chipscoggins, and I didn't prepare well enough. But I
remembered during the pause that the Chip challenge for Jack's
Cafe was it came to fruition.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
I guess right. The Chip challenge was answered in burnsy.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
I don't even know if you know this, but Chip
got an email and it looks like I did two.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
From Scott.

Speaker 4 (33:14):
Well, you guys are the pair of the podcast, and
I know true, so.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
You were definitely the spare, he says, sending this photo
in to fulfill Chip and Justin's challenge. We were married
on the twenty first night of September and twenty nineteen
importantly at Gopher Bye Week and held our groom's dinner
at Jack's Cafe. We've celebrated multiple anniversaries here since, but
this Sunday was our first time bringing the kids to
the patio for brunch, so no ordering from the one
hundred percent menu this time. We love the pot and

(33:40):
we love Jacks. Can't wait for the rest of the season.
Row the boat sky yum go Gophers from Scott and Katie.
And the picture. I mean, I don't know if they
want to be public figures, so I won't put it up.
That's what I was trying to do. But they're out
there on the patio. We got Scott and Katie, two
beautiful girls. The younger girl looks bored with the whole thing,
which is the best part about it. Does not want
to be taking a picture, but a beautiful family, a

(34:01):
beautiful brunch at Jack's Cafe and your favorite spot burns
the back patio and the chip challenge was answered.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
You have to feel good about that chip.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
I loved it when when Scott we got that email
and saw that it was their anniversary and they took
their their two uh beautiful daughters there and are outside
and had the brunch, and that's what we wanted, right,
we threw out the challenge. Scott came through and and
how about him having his grooms dinner at Jack's. That's
a perfect spot upstairs, plenty of room, get the bar

(34:32):
up there, service is gonna be great.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
So I almost wanted to bring my friends and my
grooms men to the jack classy.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Class the after party yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
My crew, h yeah, maybe the next day brunch would
be Yeah for my buddies.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
That's right. But but but happy anniversary Scott and Katie,
and thanks for thanks for including us, and thanks for
listening to the pod and going to Jack's.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
It's the best. It's absolutely the best.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
And so if you're looking to have a grooms dinner,
if you're looking to have date night, if you're looking
to have an anniversary, if you're looking to have just
you know, brunch with your boys, like Burnsy likes to do,
Jack's Cafe is the place to do it. Jaxcafe dot
com for reservations. Sorry you weren't included on the email, Burnsy.
You must not be as accessible to the public that
as Chip and I are.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
Many people say that about me, but I'm excited they
went to Jack's. I got a reservation there next week,
taking my best man out there for his birthday. So
excited to see it.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
Support those that support us, and stay tuned to the
parent of spare social media channels because typically we get
tickets to give away. The parent of spaar podcast are
de facto season ticket holders to go for football because
of Bill and because of Jack. So if we get
the tickets and the parking a little bit later this week,
we'll certainly let you know for that eleven o'clock kick
against Rutgers, and again, make your reservations at Jackscafe dot com. Boys,

(35:50):
did we see the Mark Gronowski coming out party or
do we still need to see more from the South
Dakota State Jackrabbit transfer at the Universe See of Iowa Bernsey.

Speaker 4 (36:02):
I thought Gronowski was okay in that game. I know
there's a lot of Iowa people that are trying to
say this is I mean for them, I'm sure this
looked like the greatest thing on turf, but I'm thinking
about some throws where he missed a tight end wide
open for a touchdown that was bad. He was much better.
There's there's no getting around that. But I don't know

(36:24):
that this is the South Dakota State version quite yet,
but I'm glad to see that Tim Lester, the Iowa
offensive coordinator, is using him more in the run game
because that's to me, the key to getting him to
play more comfortable, because that's what he was so good
at at South Dakota State.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
Show two touchdowns on the fourth quarter on the ground, right, Yeah,
And I love how he did the ear to the
hand the thing after he played that poorly, you know
what I mean, Like that just takes some amazing confidence.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
I mean, it's fine whatever, but it's like, dude, you
killed fifty worms like ten minutes ago. You were off
the field if not for a stupid hole beam penalty
three and out. By the way, after Rutgers retook the lead,
and then credit he made a great throw on the
deep shot. It was a hell of a catch by
an eye receiver. Because to your point, burns about the
Gophers Iowa was receivers ain't exactly been Tim Dwight, you

(37:15):
know in this season, Well, I was trying to at
Hinkle Dallas Clark, trying to go down the list and
if you're Smith Marsett. Somewhere here, Smith Marsett. I could
go with that. I'll get myself in trouble if I
keep going, I'll name the wrong guy and get it.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
Get emails.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
But so they had to kind of up their game too,
and they they did. I mean, that was a hell
of a catch to put them in the red zone
and then Gronowski pretty much took it from there. But
I just loved it that all of a sudden, after
being horrible for three games, now we're cocky. Now we're
going to the Rutgers student section and saying, what do
you think of me?

Speaker 3 (37:50):
Now?

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Yeah, well, it's interesting. He had more carries than completions. So,
I mean he threw for one hundred and eighty six
yards twelve completions. He had thirteen carries. I do think
obviously he's very comfortable running, very gifted at running. And
that's that and that should be, you know, a big
part of what they do. Yeah, I mean he made
plays when they need him. But you know, it's still

(38:15):
I don't know if it's they've arrived as a passing
you know, uh, with with only twelve completions in one
hundred and six yards, but when they incorporate the run,
you know he's a threat there. So yeah, you know
it early on, Uh, neither of those defenses look very good,

(38:36):
you know. And then obviously Phil Parker does what Phil
Parker does. He adjusted made the right calls him. He's
just a tremendous coordinator. Obviously uncovering any secret there. But
but it was, it was it was an absolute. It
was an absolute. I will win. As I mentioned, I

(38:56):
think Rutgers wins that game without that PI. I just
do because they're up four and the fourth and now
you know, they're getting off the field and getting the
ball back and they have a you know, Rutcords has
a really terrible PI and it opened the door. And
this Iowa does what Iowa does. They capital yep, nice
I got.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
I got this text from I always call him one
of my Iowa friends. I think he wants to be
named so Chad I'm naming because I did tell him.
He's basically an unofficial part of the parentis Fare podcast.
He's just like a non credit getting contributor. He wrote
this Saturday, about twelve hours after the game, per the
Des Moines Register. By game's end, Iowa had averaged more

(39:33):
yards per play than Rutgers six point two to five
point seven. By games end, Iowa had averaged more yards
per pass attempt than Rutgers ten point three to eight
point three. And he emphasized Iowa in both paragraphs because
the next sentence was when was the last time Iowa
averaged more than anyone on offense in the Big Ten?
So your point, Burnsey, they're they're feeling good. That's been

(39:55):
a long time coming for them to have a quote
unquote modern explosive offense, and if only for a night
in Piscataway, the numbers say that they got it.

Speaker 4 (40:05):
I'm just laughing that that's the bar to clear for
the other I love that for your buddy, Chad, I
love that for the Iowa offense. That now, I was
gonna have a heck of a test with a very
confident team coming into Kinnick this weekend. But I mean,
they put up thirty one points on the row in
the Big Ten. I don't care who it is. That's
really tough to do.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
Yeah, we'll see if it.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
They've raved about Kronowski right, The jack Rabbit fans love him.
I hear from him every single week. I get Texa
kfan basically like the guy put up ten thousand yards
and he.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
Knows what he's doing, which is true he does. So
we'll see if.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
If he kind of can sustain it, and I think
he probably will to an extent the running aspect that
he is like kind of like Mitch Ledner in that way, right,
like you have at the five yard line. Lightner was
more probably more likely to run it in and throw
it in, right, And that's what he was good at.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
And I do think their offensive line took over there
in the second half. I thought they were really physical
and and create a lot of running lanes. I mean,
we talked about their line going into the season. I
thought they were good in the second half, particularly, all.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
Right, so let's talk about we'll talk about the good
in the big ten before we talked about the Futer reel.
The reel not good. It's it's it's a it's a
true shame. It's a true shame to see what's happened
in Madison. But Indiana, Illinois. I was surprised Indiana was

(41:30):
favored by as much as they were. I think it
was like seven or seven and a half. Wasn't a
burnsy somewhere around there.

Speaker 4 (41:35):
And you boys didn't believe last week, I'll remind you
I got multi from people saying the boys didn't believe
in the fighting Kirk Signettes.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
No.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
And it was a close game for a minute and
then it was anything. But it was a dominant Indiana
performance in really all phases and where I think what
stood out to me and Signetti talked about it in
the post game, and this is why I do like
about him. His quote, and I'm paraphrasing, was well, we
thought we could dominate their lines, and we did.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
The trenches and that game, that game was, That game
was absolutely won in the trenches. You don't win the
rushing bargin what three hundred and ten to two without
just completely dominating the trenches.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
They had almost six hundred yards of total offense.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
Yeah, against Illinois, which is you know, it's a bull
of a lad Illinois team like that just doesn't happen.

Speaker 4 (42:27):
Or even the quote and we'll spend some time on
this game, but I was even dying yesterday as Signette's
quote when talking about the upcoming Iowa game, He's like, yeah,
it's a challenge, quote, a more difficult challenge than the
last one for sure.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
Wow, just google Google meets.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
You know, what's it like when he pulls up to
the Big Ten meetings with all these guys we've been
here forever, and yeah, there's obviously animosity and there's chippiness,
and we thought we'd leave the time outs here and
take Floyd with us.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
Stuff that goes on when he pulls up.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
I bet everyone's like, oh jeez, here we go. Who's
who's sitting by Signetti this week? You know, and when
they're at their La Joia, you know, or Huntington Beach,
California Big Ten meetings.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
Yeah that I you know, I totally understold him. You know,
I thought it was ridiculous last year where you know
how much they got dumped on for winning doing something
that was out of their control. They can't control the
Big Ten schedule, they can't control who they play. They
just beat the teams they played, and they beat him
pretty convincingly. Just their level of physicality compared to Illinois

(43:35):
just I mean it.

Speaker 4 (43:36):
Was staggering often against the lead team.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
I'll say that, or any Big Ten team.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
I mean, that's why it's surprising because Illinois is supposed
to be the bruiser, right, they're supposed to be the
one that wins in the trenches. I've seen it, you know,
we've all seen it. Just how beel them at Wisconsin here.
That's what they're supposed to do, and we should have
seen it coming, and Burnsy you did. But they came
in with a lot of hype obviously because they had

(44:03):
ten wins a year ago. They won the bowl game,
which to me doesn't matter. Yeah, but that gave them
some juice and some mojo. And they've got Altmeyer back.
If you have your quarterback coming back in the Big ten,
that's like a leg up on everybody else, right, just
by osmosis. But they had I think their entire offensive
line coming back, right, Burnssey, they had a lot coming
back on defense, and we should have seen it coming

(44:24):
though that they couldn't protect against Duke, like all Meyer
was in trouble against Duke. And they don't win that
game if they don't get five turnovers, which again.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
They got them.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
Credit to them, but that was one where you're not
really dialed in in the non conference. You're just kind
of score watching and going, Okay, Illinois pulled away from Duke.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
That's good. That makes sense.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
They're top ten whatever they're going to be, But if
you kind of looked at the numbers a little bit
more deeply, there were some troubling signs there that were
big time born out on Saturday in Bloomington.

Speaker 4 (44:53):
The offensive line struggles for Illinois is fascinating to me
because this wasn't supposed to be the case. And that's
one of the things Signetti pointed to out afterwards, and
I know you talked about it that someone asked him
how did you get so much pressure in Illinois? And
he goes, did you watch the Duke game like they did?
Just turned the ball over five times. So for Illinois

(45:14):
it's certainly got to be a glass of cold water
to the face. And now they get to play USC
which we'll talk about that game in a second. But
I think the other part of it, too is for
Indiana the Cal quarterback transfer Mendoza get five touchdown passes,
two incompletions. This is the way it was supposed to
go when he transferred in from Cal, and he has

(45:36):
been white hot. After I think the first couple of
games he was okay. With the last two games he
has been white hot. Now it helps that Illinois was
also without I think a couple of members of their
starting secondary but going from a very emotional game on
NBC at home top two top twenty teams too, now

(45:56):
you get to go on the road to Iowa where
they are only a seven point favorite against Iowa coming in.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
That's a big number, though, like you say, only that
feels like a lot. I mean, yeah, thirty that's a
thirty one twenty four type win.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
You think it should mean?

Speaker 1 (46:12):
What do you think the fair number should because Iowa,
you know, we just were talking about their offense, like
it's still Iowa at home, and I know they haven't
eaten the top twenty five team in a while.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
Contributed to the podcast, Chad gave us that text last week. Yeah,
but like I think that's a That's about what I
would say. I would say, yeah, probably a fair number.

Speaker 4 (46:31):
Vegas says, this game for Indiana versus Iowa this weekend
is going to be somewhere on twenty eight to twenty
one in Indiana, is what they're kind of gauging the
public at right now. I think a lot of it
just depends on how what do you think of Mark
Ronowski and do you think Brenanda Mendoza, the Indiana quarterback

(46:52):
can decipher Phil Parker or stifle Phil Parker for sixty
minutes or how many how many minutes can we see
him do it? We saw Max bros And Greg Harbow
come out swinging in the first half for thirty minutes
and then Phil Parker adjusted in the second half. They
need to come out hot if you're Indiana to not
give Iowa hope. As you said, Iowa has struggled against

(47:14):
Rake opponents. Now at home for a while, have the
home crowd against them. They're going to take it.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
And I'm looking at their schedule now, so they're at
Iowa at Oregon. The next two weeks they still go
and they go to Penn State. So now the rest
of the schedules, you know they should roll. But this
is a yeah, this is a it'll be interesting to see.
You know, it's always a test, right, you know, you
have a big win where there's you know, national TV spotlight,

(47:42):
all that that was going into the top ten proponent.
Now you got to go into a road against a
team that is feeling good about itself and always has
you know, finds away in Kinnick to you know special
teams whatever. So but what you said the spread with
seven seven.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
And a half, I guess I can't put it anymore
on the road.

Speaker 5 (48:05):
Now.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
Again, here's the problem though, Like Signetti is like the
e bikers that Chip was talking about before we record today,
the kids on the e bikes.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Yeah, yeah, it's all gas.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
Signetti is downhill on the e bike with no helmet,
does not care and if he crashes, he gets right
back up. And as we've said, that is the formula
against Iowa. Like Signetti, if they throw a first quarter
interception in their own territory is not going to go.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
Well.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
We better slow it down here, fellas, Like, let's manage
this game. No, he's going to go dial it up again.
He's gonna be like Herb Brooks and miracle again again again.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
Again.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
He's kind of like Jeff Brohm in that way. And
as you guys know, I've been saying it for ten years.
To move the ball against Iowa, you have to attempt
to move the ball against Iowa, you have to try
to move and Rutgers on their last touchdown drive they
did that.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
It was hard.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
There were three or four contested catches, but they put
the ball in the air. They went down the field
in like five or six plays scored a touchdown. And
we already talked about that game. But that's what you
have to do.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Yeah, you always saying it's it's a self fulfilling prophecy
when you play Iowa if you think, oh, we can't,
we can't make mistakes, because they'll pound some mistakes and
no capitalize, and then you play conservative and you play
right into their hands. And so Rutgers, then they came
out throwing the ball, and let's see what you know,
signety does I mean, you're right, he's an aggressive coach.
He's gonna aggress with the coach with that mindset. And
so I was just I was so and maybe this

(49:25):
is more of an indictment on Illinois, but just how
physical and fast Indiana looked the other night, Yeah, jumped
out to me. And I want to see if that,
if that continues here this week against Iowa, or how
much of that was Maybe we just overinflated what Illinois is.

(49:48):
I don't know. I mean, I think Indiana's a really
good team. I think they're good. I don't take it,
but I want to see if they take that on
the road against the I think is a pretty good
Iowa team defensively when they're locked in and they're you know,
that's a good Iowa defense when they're when they make
adjustments in just to what you know the offense is doing.

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So it's gonna be hell of a game.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
Well, I think it's just a classic Big Ten. Like
you just came out this huge win. Now you're rewarded
and you've got, like you say, Oregon on the horizon
and then Penn State. Oh but also by the way,
you got to go to Kinnick in front of seventy
thousand for a two thirty and they're feeling good, like
that's the Big Ten now, like there's no there's no
easy there's no easy there's no free rolls, there's no

(50:32):
easy ones. No there's that's that's life in the Big Ten.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
So we'll see.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
And so I think that, I mean, to me, that's
the most intriguing game really to see what's true about
both of these teams.

Speaker 4 (50:41):
I almost think the USC Illinois game is just as intriguing.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
Yeah, it's right up there.

Speaker 4 (50:46):
The dead cat bounce element for Illinois saying they can't
play that poortly again and now they get to go home,
but you've also got USC. And we talked about it
during the cow week. They got to go two time zones.
They go from playing at was it nine Central or
h Yeah, it's nine pm Pacific last week against Michigan
State to now nine am Pacific time against Illinois in Champagne.

(51:11):
The boys from southern California have to go to the
cornfields of Champagne. I want to be surprised they're all
to see Illinois, and I think that spread is about
the same that it is between Yeah, Illinois is a
six and a half point underdog at home against USC.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (51:28):
Yeah, I know that US looks really good, They've looked
really explosive, But that's a nine am start boys for
that USC Trojans team that hasn't won many big games
under Lincoln Riley.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
And I got a feeling that that Beelman will have
will use that all that stuff to his You know,
I'm not saying they're gonna win, but I don't I
think they'll have a bounce back performance. And you're right,
I mean the two time zones and you're you know,
you're a nine am kickoff for them. You got to
factor that in.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
A right any last.

Speaker 4 (52:01):
The last one I want to say is the Minnesota's
next opponent after this weekend, which is Ohio State. Another
night game. Three night games in rows.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
We'll get get it out, get it out, We'll get
in to it all.

Speaker 4 (52:14):
But Washington hosting Ohio State is one of the low key,
most interesting games of the weekend. Washington has won twenty
two straight home games. Agree, Washington is a good football team. Yes,
that is going to be be a fascinating game to
watch at two thirty on CBS.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
I thought you were going to say UCLA at Northwestern,
but so I just for the record, wanted to get
that out there. Let's see, do I have anything else?
So Wisconsin? Do they have a non conference game this
week or are they just done buye by and they
have to regroup. I'm just going to read you a
tweet here and then tell you who it's from. Chip

(52:54):
probably doesn't know who it's from, Burnsy, I'm guessing you do.
It's from eighteen hours ago to just show you how
down bad Madison is. Right now, here's the tweet. Say
what you want about the Big Ten's most okayist football coach, PJ.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
Fleck.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
He has a culture, Yes, it's cringey and cartoonishly performative,
but it's still a culture and his guys know what
the deal is and play hard for him. Do you
know who that tweet was from Burnsey before I unveil
it the chip?

Speaker 4 (53:21):
Is it your favorite?

Speaker 3 (53:23):
What is it?

Speaker 4 (53:24):
Milwaukee?

Speaker 3 (53:26):
No? No, that guy. You should see his tweets.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Basically before the Maryland game, it was Iowa is going
to be a tough out for Wisconsin in a few weeks.
It's like, are you watching football? And this is the
guy who covered the team, which it tells you everything
you need to know about other media markets, But I digress. No,
this is from a parody account named Scary Alvarez at

(53:53):
Barry is the Don, So he's kind of like the
fake Bob Moscow or the fake Don Lucia for GOP.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
And he is relentless on PJ. Fleck. I mean, he's
so like it.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
I don't know if I follow him, No, I don't,
but he comes up in my algorithm all the time,
and you know, just talking about you know, the ceiling
for GOP for football, and he's very down on PJ.
But some of the responses to this, because he's got
like twenty five thousand followers, and he's very funny.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
Let me see.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
Uh somebody wrote, I just sent officers to your house
for a wellness check.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
Where is it? Uh man? Where is it?

Speaker 1 (54:33):
There was another really good one, but basically everybody knows
that for him to say this about PJ is he's
on the plank. Just he's on the edge of the
cliff looking over.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
Actual comments from Barry Elvarez.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
That I was going to get to those as well,
why don't you? So we'll go ahead.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
He does the Barry Alvarez Show on ESPN Madison and
he's defending Fickle, which, by the way, to me, is
the right thing to do. You guys, I know it's
a mess, but I've said this for two years. It
got sideways and then there was no support from anybody
on the outside, which is completely spun up. Everybody and

(55:11):
the next former Badger that that tweets about how great
the old days are, my god, like they like they
were Alabama calm down a little bit like calm down,
and that's basketball and football. But Barry basically said, our
fans are spoiled, rotten, correct, and we've got a lot
of young guys playing and the booing and the leaving
is not helpful. And where I disagree with him is

(55:33):
he said, basically, if you're gonna boo, don't show up.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
Be careful with that.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
Yeah, they won't show up.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
People are paying a lot of money to go to
Camp Cranville and all these stadiums.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
Be careful with that.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
It's a fan to me, has a right to do
whatever they want to do if they buy a ticket
and go to a game, obviously within reason. Yeah, but
I think we all know what I'm talking about there.
So he kind of lost me in the second half
of it, Like, because if I'm at the stadium and
you boom, I'm telling you to get your ass out.
It's like, well, no, that's not how it works. But
to me, the immediate lack of support from anybody at

(56:03):
Wisconsin that ever played there, went to a game there,
or drank a beer there has not been helpful. And
now they're in I mean, they got just boat raced
by Maryland, who I think is just okay.

Speaker 3 (56:14):
And it was bad, bad at the stadium on Saturday.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
This is a confluence of bad, negative things. One, this
was not the year to have that schedule when you're
trying to get a program off the ground. To have
that schedule is brutal. You knew it was gonna be
bad going in.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
You needed a few Northwestern states sprinkled in there.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
This year, this was not the year to have that
schedule and have quarterback injuries. I mean they lost their
top two quarterbacks Saturday. You're down to your third guy.
I mean your starter that you started season with, who
got hurt in the first game, came back, he got
hurt in the first quarter. Number two guy took a
beating against Maryland. He got hurt. Now it's you know,

(56:57):
and I understand that the animosity efficle because it's like
anything when you're used to success, you think it's happens
in perpetutity. You think you're going to have success for
the rest of your life, and you're you're used to
that's what you're used to. It's natural, like that's what
fans expect that. You know, it's fun going to rose bowls.
Probably right, it's fun having excess, it's fun doing all

(57:17):
those things, and you get used to it. I I
don't think it's spoiled. I think you just get used
to it. You think this is how it's always going
to be and they're going up through obviously a painful transition,
and it's just timing like this was not the year
to have a brutal schedule where you you know, you
face every difficult team in Alabama.

Speaker 4 (57:40):
It's I mean, we've talked about the schedule and it's
not going to getting easier because out the bye week
you get to travel to the Big House to take
on a very confident Michigan team.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
Yeah, we didn't even talk about their winning at Nebraska,
which was I thought was a nice fiber yeah victory there.
I mean, that was a big game for Nebraska and
Michigan answered the call.

Speaker 3 (57:58):
But go ahead, Bernsey, I would say.

Speaker 4 (58:00):
With the Billy Edwards thing, it reminds me of what's
going on with Darius Taylor right now, where maybe they
pushed him back on the early end of his return
window with whatever that injury was, and he clearly reinjured it.
And now, as we all know, the re injury is
always worse than the first injury, so he's probably out
another at least a month. Danny O'Neil took an absolute
beating all game. Maryland had ten tackles for loss in

(58:24):
camp Randall I know that offensive line is beat up
for the Badgers, and they're starting a lot of different
players they probably weren't counting on. But the question is
going to get louder and louder of is Chris McIntosh
going to pull the plug on the twenty five million
dollars buyout that Luke Fickle has and if they do,
and we can spend a lot of time over the

(58:45):
coming months talking about it. Is a Jason Eck? Is
it Lance Lie Polled? Is it the corpse of Jim Leonard?
By the way, how much do you think Jim Leonard
is laughing wherever he is right now for being the
scapegoat back when.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
I mean, I'm sure he's not devastated because it sounds
like he thought he was getting the job, my favorite
big reporter thought he was getting the job, and ten
minutes later Luke Fickel got hired. Well, but along those
lines here, I tweeted this out Saturday night. This is
from Wikipedia. Paul Christ was fired on October second, twenty

(59:23):
twenty two, after the Badger started the twenty twenty two
season two and three and zero and two in the
Big Ten.

Speaker 3 (59:28):
He finished up.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
Wisconsin with an overall record of sixty seven and twenty six.
That's a seventy two percent win percentage forty three and eighteen,
seventy point five percent in Big ten play. And that's
where I think this and I remember this one rattled
other Big ten coaches because he was like three years
off of the Rose Bowl at that point twenty nineteen.

(59:51):
Then he had COVID and then I think they were
seven and five the year after, and then they started
slow and he got fired and he you know Rose Bowl,
I think they went to an Orange Bowl that was
turnover chain, my bleeping ass. Paul christ Miami, like I
talk about it a lot, and maybe Illinois is going
over this, going through this right now too. Not that

(01:00:13):
they're going to fire beat them, but you start, you
get your program to a place and then you start thinking, well,
this is where we always should be and this is
where we need to go, and if we have any slippage,
then we need to make a change. I've talked about
it with Greg Guard forever. How many times has Greg
Gard been on the hot seat at Wisconsin?

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
Ten in the ten years.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Five every year, every other year.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
And what do they do? They hang with them, They
stay the course. He gets a couple new kids from
Lakeville North and they are top four in the Big
ten and go to the tournament, right, Like, yeah, to me,
that was the biggest blunder. And I know, Burns, you
can tell me that recruiting had slipped off and they
weren't with the times. I got a lot of response

(01:00:54):
to that, sweet say, well, he didn't even have a
recruiting department, which, Okay, what how many spotted cows are
we drinking? Are we to really believe that Wisconsin just
had no recruiting department, Like I get it if like
what are we doing here because players are showing up
somehow someway, Like what have they been doing for thirty years?
Like just hoping kids got the application and came to tryouts,

(01:01:17):
you know, August first, like they had to have some
type of recruiting department. But I think that was the
big misplay was obviously thinking this is completely spiraling when
you didn't even give the guy a chance at the
first sign of adversity to work his way out of it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
Because it's worked well for the hoops program.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
I'm just saying, a guy who understands the program, we
know what you know, he was there his dad was
a coach. He grew up there. Like I just will
always think they did Paul Chris so wrong. And you
play stupid games, you win stupid prizes. Sometimes Darry Raid
comes in. It's a complete disaster. I mentioned the former
players not being on board with it. I don't love that,
but I understand why they might not have liked how

(01:01:55):
things went down. And here they are. They could go
winless into Big Ten and how do you get out
of it because there's no way to get out. They've
got no momentum recruiting right now, right Burnsy, I mean
Pj's gone in there and grabbed a couple of their
top players, including Nathan Roy, the starting left tackle. So
that was a long winded diatribe. But as a football
as a college sports guy, it frustrates me how the

(01:02:17):
Wisconsin thing went down. As a guy who likes sending
pictures of the Acts to all my Wisconsin relatives, I
don't mind it. And all my buddies from me Dinah
that went to Wisconsin and think it's the greatest place ever.
I loved the Thanksgiving tradition of sending me in the Acts.
I didn't even do it last year because it's not
even a novelty now, It's just happened so often. It
frustrates me that this is how that whole thing went down.

(01:02:39):
And I don't know how they get out of it
because they are in a bad, bad spot.

Speaker 4 (01:02:44):
I think the thing that Macintosh has got to figure
out is everybody is angry right now. And if you're
an athletic director, that's okay, because you know it's worse
than anger. Abbit hearing, like everybody's angry. So by the
time you get to the latter part of this schedule
into home games later on in November against Washington and Illinois,
I'd be paying attention if there has not been a move,

(01:03:07):
how many people are still showing up. And if you
are going to pull a trigger on twenty five million
dollars whatever that may be, you better if somebody lined
up that you know is going to be better, because
that is a lot of money to spend for a
buyout to then I mean, can you imagine if they
go And I like Jason Eck and he's from Wisconsin,
and I think he's done good things out there in

(01:03:29):
the Mountain time zone. Now I think he's in New
Mexico and he's gotten them to play well against Oregon
and then they took they take crush earlier. They yeah,
like that, that would make a lot of sense to
Lance Lipoll would make a lot of sense. But I mean,
to me, the crux of this thing comes down to
with Wisconsin right now. Their quarterbacks. Just get If you

(01:03:49):
have no quarterbacks and you can't run the ball because
your offensive line is paying that, how are you? How
are you gonna win a football game if you can't
score any points?

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
It is fascinating, right, talk about making sense? What was
the react? Holy cow, this is a grand Slam. What
a hire for them to get him? And now three yep,
we got to move on to the next guy. I
don't know what the answer is because you knew. You
guys know, we've seen it. These things gain momentum, It

(01:04:18):
builds momentum. It's like a snowball, runaway snowball. I don't
know how you reverse it other than you you have
some for you win a game where it shows something
like okay, hey, yeah, we can see where this is going,
and then you know, maybe that feeds up groom. But
there you're you know, I have a son over there,

(01:04:39):
and I mean I can tell you it's it is.
The reaction to football right now is unlike anything I've
seen since you know, I went on to beat many
years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
Yeah. Well the quarterback thing is such a huge one too,
And that happened, that's it, right, I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
I was there when a guy got hurt against Iowa.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
Yeah, yeah, that was part of the problem at the
end of Chris too, Like their quarterback had been hurt
a number of times. Right, even the first year the
Gophers beat them, I think they were down to their
second or third quarterback if I remember, Like that does matter,
like that should factor in Burnsy you'll tell me as
part of your Netflix series, there ain't exactly a lot
of five stars just hanging out on the sidelines of

(01:05:16):
power forward programs waiting their turn, right, had a lot
of these programs like you're I mean even know Pj's
talked about it, Like, you know, the Gophers backup quarterback
is Max Chikinansky, right, who's a former walk on who
comes in with no entitlement, Like how rare is that? Right,
So you lose your quarterback, you're in trouble. And that's

(01:05:37):
happened the last two years now again his biggest problem
was probably the dramatic cultural shift yeah, right to offensively
when you go away. Because even Gary Anderson, you know,
the Utah State coach and by the way, won the
West at least once maybe twice in his two years there,
he was not a cultural fit, which again I think
sometimes you got to get over that. But if you're winning,

(01:05:57):
it's fine. If you're losing, your serious trouble, and that's
what happened with Fickle, right, is he brought the offense
he was doing at Cincinnati. It's something that Wisconsin Fanson's
nineteen eighty nine, when Barry Elvaz got there, aren't accustomed
to watching most of those guys in the their ring
of honor are running back to offensive lineman right. I'm
thinking about Ron Daye and Joe Thomas and go down

(01:06:17):
the list. So it's it's been fascinating to watch though,
because the picture somebody sent with eight minutes to go
in the first quarter on Saturday, it was spring game, like, yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
Like that UCLA picture is like the UCLA picture we.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
Saw exactly right.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
It was as bad as I ever remember it. So
we'll see, man, but it is not good, not good.
But how do you Wisconsin's not They're not Penn State
or Oregon with money, right burns ey, I mean they
they had to catch up with then il Greg Guard
talked about that they lost some guys. They had to
go in the portal and get them, like, they're not

(01:06:53):
exactly a team that's just printing money despite all their success.
So twenty five million dollars and then the investment, but
at some point it becomes a business decision too, of well,
we're losing too much money now with football or not
making as much as we should, and we just got
to bite the bullet and go.

Speaker 4 (01:07:08):
They've certainly got a bigger budget than Minnesota does in
the air athletic department, and.

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
They do, but it's not crazy crazy. It's not the
level where they don't have.

Speaker 4 (01:07:18):
Top six in the Big ten revenue. But right, twenty
five million dollars to them is a lot of money.
And that's where I will continue to say, if you
do pull the trigger, I mean, how much are we
expecting them to then spend on the next guy because
they're not printing money. I mean, it's it's a gamble
for Macintosh either way, and I don't know if he's

(01:07:39):
on the hot seat at all, or with the way
that this football hire has gone. But trying to figure
out because everybody's going to want them to get back
to the glory days of moni ball and whoever else
pick your XYZ two thousands Wisconsin player. Yep, it's just
so difficult when you don't hit on your evaluations, and
when Billy Edwards has not been healthy and he's your

(01:08:01):
highest paid player on the entire roster, if you don't
have a quarterback in the Big Ten these days, when
I think Drake Lindsay's a pretty good quarterback, and I
don't know that he's I mean, there's a lot of
good quarterbacks in the Big Ten this year. And if
you don't have a quarterback and you're not healthy on
the offensive line, I don't care how good your defense is.
By the time the Gophers play them, that defense is

(01:08:24):
just going to be worn down, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
Anything else on the Badgers as they've got the much
needed bye week to have everybody calm down, I think
we're good on Big Ten talk. Yeah, you got one
burnsy grievance to talk about in a second, the latest,
But Chip, I know you've got a big story dropping
today football, Yeah to talk about.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
Yeah, I forgot yeah football across Minnesota has a Gopher
angles there you go. Yeah. Yeah. Daniel Jackson, the freshman
kicker from Alexandria, Alexandria. I went out and spent some
time with him and his uh parents out in Alexandria
this summer. Uh. He had a break from summer workouts

(01:09:06):
here and was back home. So I went out and
spent a day with really really cool kid. Smart has
a ton of interests. I won't give it away. It's
gonna hit on the start to being website on Tuesday here,
but really well rounded, uh bright, inquisitive young man who

(01:09:27):
has has like I said, he has a lot of
interest and an interesting way that he got into kicking,
I will say, an interesting connection to Minnesota that got
him involved in kicking.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
That's what we call it tea. That's what we call
it teas.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
Yeah. That's so, yeah, it'll be it'll be online on Tuesday.
So it just uh really really uh. It was funny
go out there and get the uh spends the time
with him and his folks.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
They're always good man, They're always fun, They're always interesting.
I like the one on Wadina the other day, I texted,
h Yeah, that was a very cool story. And I
told you I the small town life does nothing for me,
but I can see why people like it. I could
see why people like it. I don't know if it
would be the best environment for me.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
Yeah, but I'm ready for a small town. I could.
I could retire in a small town. I love small
town environments and people and what Whatdan is a great
if you ever get you you said you've been through.
If you get Chess to go spend some time, You're
great people and just a really cool place.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
I loved it all right, Burnsy, what are you mad about?
We need we need a name for this bitch.

Speaker 4 (01:10:32):
I don't know what I'm mad about, but I do
want to quickly note, uh whiteout game this weekend Oregon
has to.

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
Go out state. Yeah, this is a big week.

Speaker 4 (01:10:41):
For the two time zone travel theory, with USC going
to Illinois, with Ohio State going to Washington, with now
Oregon getting tested against Penn State. Big game, James Franklin, boys,
I want you to call it in the air well.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
I was gonna say this is the game they have
to win, right, I mean, this is their suppose this
is supposed to be their year. They're supposed to be
the Big Ten champs this year, they're supposed to be
a national championship contender. Everybody has been saying it right
going all the way back to Vegas, this was was
almost unanimous. People thought, this is the team, this is
the year. Talk about having their quarterback back they do. Yeah,

(01:11:16):
he's I mean they have to. I'm going Penn State
because they have to. Although you know, I love Dan,
I love me, I loved Landing and I'm sure he's
got the whole thing fired up.

Speaker 3 (01:11:26):
I can't they win.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
Their video is going to be on fire with how
he prepared them for the white out. I can't even
imagine what crazy things he's come up with this week
to do it. But yeah, this is it's a night kick,
which burns he hates, but they do create a very.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
Nice Oh yeah, I know. I'm a big Dan Landing
fan too. I think it's gonna be a great game.
I'm going with the home team in a three point win.

Speaker 4 (01:11:48):
Speaking of night games, the other one I want to
get Chip's opinion on here would be Bama Georgia.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
Georgia. Yeah, I think Georgia. There, I think Georgia's. Unfortunately
they broke my heart a couple of weeks ago, but they.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
We didn't even talk about that. We didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
Yeah, it was I had to go for a long
walk after that. It was interesting. I had my Tennessee
shirt on and as soon as we lost I walking
down the street and I had to go for a
long walk just to get my mind right. And car
pulls over and two guys are in. We're like, hey, man,
we're sorry. I've been watching the game too.

Speaker 4 (01:12:26):
Can you imagine just Chip walking down his east man.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
Had my dog, Yeah, head down. I was just just dejected, angry.

Speaker 4 (01:12:35):
I would say, he's got his headphones in, but there's
no shot. He's just playing iPhone really loud, Rocky Top,
trying to get a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
Of Yeah, yeah, I'll go Georgia there.

Speaker 3 (01:12:48):
All right. Yeah, and thoughts and prayers for you on that.
The way that that game ended, too, that was tough.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
It was tough.

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
All right, Well, Burnsy, we've gotten eleven o'clock. Kick enjoy it, buddy,
because is it three night games in a row after
that or two? I didn't know, because we know we
knew Columbus, we knew Purdue and then I guess, yeah,
who's the mask.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
After Nebraska Friday night?

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
Yeah, that's right, that's right man. Why do you hate
the electric night environment so much? Burnsy, I don't understand this.

Speaker 4 (01:13:18):
It's just you spend all day waiting for it and
then again fresh sloves in the media. No one. I'm
not asking anybody to throw up a pity party for us,
but it's just then you don't get I don't sleep much,
or I choose not to sleep at all just to
get stuff done. I like the eleven ams and I
can go home and get everything done and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
But yeah, or.

Speaker 4 (01:13:38):
Even for this game on Saturday, I'm coming in hot.
I got a wedding on Friday night in Raleigh, so
I'm taking a five minutes out of Raleigh into the
MLP that lands at like eight am.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
That's a guardsy move right there. Wow, that is a
guardsy move right there if I've ever seen one.

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
That's dedication.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
Well, like we said last week, how we got to
go for football Sunday show on the air. Thank you
for your readers because people should know that that's what
that's how highly you regard your subscribers and your readers
that you are putting yourself through that personal pain. So
thank you Burnsy for your dedication.

Speaker 4 (01:14:17):
When you said not all heroes were capes. Just ask
justin guard. Yeah, and that's what I try to do
for people.

Speaker 3 (01:14:22):
Yeah, that's dedication.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
Do not be late to the Oak Street stage because
we're running a really tight ship on Saturday morning. So
I'm gonna need you to get I'm gonna need you
to be there hot. We'll make some adjustments. I can
actually make some adjustments and have you later, so we'll
talk about that offline. Great show this week, guys, it's fun.
Like we said, I like when the Gophers have a
night game, not like Burnsy, and I like when they
don't have a game because you can actually watch all

(01:14:45):
the other games, and there were some great games to
talk about, and obviously we spent the majority of this
episode talking about other things rather than go for football.
So read Chip's piece on Daniel Jackson at Startbute dot com.
Read everything that Burnsy puts out at Gopher Illustrated dot com.
Don't forget eleven am kick, go to Jackscafe Jackscafe dot com.
You could go to the game, have a nice late lunch,

(01:15:05):
watch some college football in the bar at Jack's Cafe
on Saturday afternoon. You got the Iowa game. There was
the other good two thirty game that we talked about too.
Now I can't remember what it was, but I'm sure
it was great. And do all of that at Jack's Cafe.
Just pop pull up to the bar or make your
reservations at Jackscafe dot com and we'll talk to you
next week on the parentis Bear Podcast

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