2025 Week Nine Review: Iowa Routs Gophers, Drake Struggles, Darius Injured, Coaches Carousel

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Glenn Mason said a long time ago at the University
of Minnesota.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
You need a pair and a spare.

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Thank you, PJ. It is time for another edition of
the Parent of Spare podcast. I'm justin guard from the fan.
We've got Ryan Burns from Gopher Illustrated dot Com. And
when he's done texting his birthday buddy Mike Grim, it's
Chip Scoggins from the Minnesota Star Tribune who told us
four seconds ago it was his birthday. So that's where
we have to start it. I don't have my planner
down here, Chip, I wrote it all down. Chipskoggin's birthday,

(00:26):
October twenty eighth. You share it with the voice of
the Gophers, Mike Grim. Happy birthday, Chip. Thanks for keeping
it with the Parent of Spare podcast crew.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Well, thank you.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Grimmer and I share a birthday and we always text
each other Happy birthday. And he's a year older than I,
so than I am.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
So how many candles are we blowing out tonight?

Speaker 4 (00:43):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (00:44):
For me fifty four and for Grimmer he's the double nickel.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
Yeah, fifty five and fifty four. Wow. Congratulations, Congratulations, Congratulations Burns.
Anything you want to add, I just.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
Want to know if Grim stayed up all eighteen innings
last night, because I know he's the baseball snob with me. Yeah,
that was a long World Series game.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Did you watch him?

Speaker 4 (01:07):
Schedule is absolutely cursed. Yeah, I'm almost assumed that he
may have taken a nap in the eleventh inning, woken
up in the fourteenth, and now here he is.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
He just texted me back, so he's awake. He's awake.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Yeah. He also had to be up early to make
his weekly appearance on the Power Trip Morning Show. Well,
not up early, because he's always up early, but today
he was joining the Power Trip Morning Show to discuss
the movie line Gone Viral. I'm not sure if you
guys caught it on Saturday.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
I didn't realize that's a thing that he does.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
It's so disappointing, Power Trip.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
That's early for me, the.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Go for football broadcast. You're always listening to Paul Feinbaum
or something. Yeah, they've been doing that four or five
years now where he gets a line and now a
lot of other people have done this. It's he's not
the first person to do it, and he's also not
the last. I know. Jason Bennetti has been doing it
on Tiger's TV broadcast where the players give him words
that he has to slide in his broadcast. The power

(02:01):
trip makes it a little bit longer. It used to
be just like one little phrase. Now it's like full
on monologue sometimes that every week. Yeah, the voice of
the Gophers, Mike Grim goes in and the connection is
always somebody related to the team or the state that
they're playing. So in this case it was Gene Wilder
went to the University of Iowa. It was a blazing

(02:23):
Saddles line. And if you just heard it out of context,
which a lot of people did and didn't they have
the next level of higher order thinking to go. That's
kind of a weird thing to say on a broadcast.
You were offended. You were offended because you didn't know
it was a bit. I'm told that some Iowa Facebook

(02:43):
pages or people in Iowa on Facebook took offense to it,
and lots of emails and letters have been sent. As
I told somebody, Iowa and Facebook not a great combination.
Iowa and Facebook not a combination.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
This is from an announcer who's from Iowa.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Oh yeah, he grew up in Manchester, Iowa, West Delaware
high stand up for sure, and I never know the line.
I rarely know the line.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
And can you spot it right away?

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Though, Well, yeah, because it's always so ridiculous. Yes, it's
so out of context. But that was a fun weekend.
I drove back with my parents on Saturday because they
were down at the game. My dad was with his brother,
and we've got a ton of family in Iowa, so
they were kind of visiting all of them. So I
drove back with them and my mom listened to that.

(03:29):
I made her pull it up probably seven times, like,
as you're just kind of getting tired, it's like eleven
o'clock burns, you have to make the drive Like, Mom,
play the Grim line again. I'm getting tired. I need
I need a ten second shot of adrenaline here. So
it was pretty funny. It was pretty funny.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Yeah, that's classic. That's great.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
So if you were to show up on Wednesdays, that's
half of what we do. And while we wait for
coordinators and players to play, what is my grim going
to say today? And what is my grim's line of
the week that he has to try and figure out
when he interjects it, And that's where we give feedback
to him.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Yeah, well, how'd you feel about the morons? What was
the feedback last week? Did you know that that was
going to be the line? Yeah, from blazing saddles for
people that have no idea what we're talking about, simple farmers,
people of the land, you know, the clay of the west,
so ridiculous. And then it was morons. And then those

(04:29):
two jackasses have the temerity to throw it to me
after they're laughing in the booth, like I'm supposed to
take it, like, okay, that's great, thanks a lot. I
appreciate forty one to three, whatever the score is at
that point.

Speaker 4 (04:41):
What do you want me to add from the sideline?

Speaker 1 (04:42):
Exactly, I've already done that in Columbus, you know, the
I don't have anything down here, guys, nothing's happened in
two hours back up to you. But after all of that,
simple farmers, morons, he throws it down to me to
pick up the beets, which I tried my best.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
The best is he just so dead about it, just
like just like he's reading off a piece of paper,
so good, so good.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
But when you're losing forty one to three in a
rivalry game, and you're losing to Iowa for the twentieth
time in twenty seven years. You got to find a
way to entertain yourself, right, and that's what we did
for that brief moment. That's what we did for the
first five minutes of the podcast, and here we are Burnsey.
We talked last week about PJ. Fleck owning Nebraska no
matter who the coach is, what would we say about

(05:28):
Kirk Ference? If PJ owns Nebraska, who is the only
in the last six years, no matter who the coach is,
what do we say about Kirk who since if you
want to even broaden it out, he lost his first
two ninety nine and two thousand, He's twenty and five
against the University of Minnesota. That includes Glenn Mason, that
includes Jerry Kill, the one year of Tracy Clays, and

(05:50):
of course the current head coach, PJ. Fleck, I own,
I think is understating it. How Kirk Ference has handled
this rivalry. What do we think.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
I can't remember a time, It's been probably fifteen to
twenty years since I saw something happen like that to
Minnesota where you're down thirty one to nothing twenty minutes
into the game, thirty minutes of real time I wrote
about afterwards reminded me of how Texas Tech came back
in the six insight blel and rolled off thirty one
straight to end the game to force overtime. They just

(06:24):
didn't get off the bus offense, defense, special teams. But yeah,
I think chip the only way to say it is
Kirk Farance is big brother in Minnesota under PJ. Fleck
and many other coaches to guards the stat they can't
get off the shneine.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
What was what was his line, We'll leave the timehouse
and take the trophy.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
I think that's leave the timeouts to take Floyd with us.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
Yeah, that should be the headline of the Kirk farranchier.
We'll leave the timehouse to take Floyd with us. Yeah,
because there've been you know, I go back to two
thousand nineteen, that game, you know, you have a chance
to maybe win the West and uh, you know, have
a really special season and you lose there.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
I go back to two thousand.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
And three, they go down there with Maroni Barber to
pay and that Iowa team had Bob Sanders Greenway Banks.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
The quarterback that year that Tay I can't remember who
the quarterback was, but that that defense.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
It was.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
It was Bob.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Sanders and and Greenway, and I remember Bob Sanders hitting
Abdul Hodge. I remember Bob Sanders hitting had a goal
line tackle like right, kept Mary and al the ow
the you know end zone. I mean, no matter the circumstances,
they just always play better. They haven't answered that game Saturday.

(07:57):
I've covered, you know, in my twenty two years of
covering go football, I've seen a lot a lot of
weird kind of just a lot of things. That was
an all timer in my time in terms of just
how fast it unraveled. And I dare you to find
another football game in the history of football where one

(08:19):
team has thirty one points and the other team has
one yard.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
You'll never see that again.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
Ever, It's almost impossible. They have one team have thirty
one points and one team had one yard. That was
as non competitive as I've ever seen a game.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
And bring off the broadcast, real quick, Burnsy back to
the broadcast. Uh I goes down and score seven zero right,
nice drive, a couple of third downs. S Gronowski with
his legs, shocker inside the five that he's going to
keep it and run. Gophers go three and out. They
get a field goal. As we're coming back, grim says,
this is kind of a sneaky drive here for the Gophers.

(08:57):
You can't afford to three and out here. You got
to get something going No. Three out first play pick six.
Well they didn't go three and out, they went one out,
and now it's seventeen to nothing. And that was the ballgame, right.
I know we can talk about the punt return and
the long deep shot that Gronowski threw that John Nestor
was right there for and just missed the ball, But

(09:20):
that was when the game was over, right, the pick six,
and that was how many minutes into the game burns
e seven. I mean, I don't have the play by play,
but I think get off the bus is a get
off the bus is a great analogy and a great
way to describe it. A week after looking as prepared,
as eager, as motivated, as ready to go for a situation,
it was one hundred and eighty degrees different eight days later.

Speaker 4 (09:42):
This is the most hot and cold team I think
in my fifteen years of doing this. I mean, you
look at Chip do you know what it is? I've
talked about it this week, what their road game disparity
is they're zero and three. But do you know how
much they've been outscored by in games against cal Iowa
and Ohio stalem road.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
I would say a million.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
I mean two of them, two of them are really lopsided,
and one with the Cow game was what a ten
point thirteen point?

Speaker 2 (10:08):
What was that deficit?

Speaker 4 (10:10):
I can't tell you.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
Well, let's see what forty one to three it was
at thirty eight.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Eighty points eighty five.

Speaker 4 (10:20):
Been outscored one hundred and ten to twenty on the road.
That's ninety points. I mean, they are just woefully they
just do not travel offense defense special teams coaching. To me,
the crux of this thing is their offensive and defensive
lines are playing horrifically on the road. Yeah, like Iowa,
we talked about coming into this one, how Phil Parker

(10:41):
had been more aggressive. Well, he didn't have to be
because he's getting home with four man pressures. I'm watching
them run Minnesota's offense runt ie formation. Okay, where you're
trying to get downhill with full back. It's six on
six in the box. Yet your right guard and right
tackle by the time I feme Igeboy gets the ball
or blown back four yard words. The defense allows seventeen

(11:02):
points on the first three drives and there's gaping holes
for them to run through. Tim Lester, the Iowa offensive coordinator,
is just throwing misdirection at this team, and I wway
should have scored in four plays if Gronowski can hit
a downfield throw consistently and there's a guy wide opening
the end zone there.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
That's the funny thing. I still don't think he can throw.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
No, no, this guy's.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Doing this and he can't throw. It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
Yeah, it's yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
His accuracy, like the Lightner comparison is pretty good after
watching him, and I mean it is like they're all
over the place. But you know, to me, those first
two drives where Iowa had to ball and they're getting
such push that line, I mean, the running backs are
just it's just big chunk plays, big chunk plays, and

(11:48):
the Gophers defensive line just is getting blown back and
they scored ten points. And to me, when you have
a freshman quarterback, I thought Drake at that point, he's like, uh,
not panicky, but he's like, I gotta do something. We're
down ten. Nothing doesn't see the safety fall off the
tight end there and on the wheel route and at

(12:08):
that point you're right, the game's over. But it's like
of all the scenarios with Drake Lindsay going in refreshmen
playing in that environment, you could not fall behind ten
nothing because then he's gonna press right and think he
has to do something specially. Yeah, and he threw a
pass where he shouldn't have thrown it, and all of
a sudden, game's over. The special teams were an absolute disaster.

Speaker 4 (12:30):
My favorite part of the press conference yesterday Chip. We
asked him Fleck, that is what was the plan with
Weed ten and he said the plan was to kick
every ball out of bounds. And I'm kicking once. The
first punt of that not on purpose.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
The one that they kicked out about but I don't
think was the plan to shank it off your foot
and have it go forty two yards into the first.

Speaker 4 (12:50):
Point of the game is a forty eight yard low
liner right down the center of the field. Yeah, you
have another one where it goes fifteen. You rose up
in a kinnick, and by the way, thank god it does,
because if he hits that clean, the guy who directly
captain is blocking. He blocks that easily and it's probably
a scoop and score. And then I haven't seen a
thirty six yard punt return for a touchdown in a while,

(13:12):
But there we go. Drake had his freshman game. We've
been waiting for it. But that to me, being down
thirty one to nothing, it was the offense, the defense,
the special teams, it was all of it. They didn't
travel and that was with an extra day to prepare
for this game. I don't know what this team is

(13:35):
and why they're so good at home, and by so
good at home, they're okay to good at home, Like
they have started slow and they've been able to overcome
it in Big Ten play where they've been a second
half team, but they have just been so horrific on
the road all year. Well, because you got a young quarterback,
you have just inexperience at spots, but their inability to

(13:58):
fix this problem is is gonna. I mean, you still
have to travel to Eugene in a couple of weeks plus.
You know, my suggestion to them would be for the
Wrigley Field game. We call that a neutral site gamey.
I know it's in the city confines, but it's not.
Evanston I think it's a little further south than that,

(14:19):
probably wrong in my geography there. So I apologize for
the Chicago listeners. But it can't be any worse than
the way you've played it. Just it just can't be.
And I don't know what to think. And I asked
Fleck after the game about it is you're down thirty
one nothing twenty minutes in. What happened? It's just like
if I knew, if I knew this was coming, Because

(14:40):
that's also one of the questions we asked him, was
if I knew this was coming, did I feel like
it was coming? No, but then it happened. I just
I don't know. I didn't even know how you analyze
anything from within.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
I agree, yeah, analyzed because it was so fast and
just so instant.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
Yeah, every single time's it? I mean mean, how often
in a game do you throw a pick six and
have a punt return for touchdown? I mean that or
half time before halftime, after you've given up ten points already.
I mean, that's how a game just completely goes sideways.
And I mean, you're right, it happens so fast. But
when you throw a pick six and you have a
punt return it's gonna get skewed, but I mean you

(15:21):
talked about the home away it was like, let's be honest,
they're not exactly heavyweights at home. I mean, beating Purdue
and Rutgers barely is no great accomplishment.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
I mean, they barely won those games.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
So it's not like they're you know, it's not like
they're playing beaten quality teams at home. Nebraska week in
debate what they are. They're an average This is what
the Gophers are. They're an average team, right.

Speaker 4 (15:45):
So what they were supposed to be coming into the year.
All ad they had a win total of six and
a half. And guess what even within this there, if
they can take care of business at home against two
zero to five and the big ten teams in Michigan
State this weekend, in the Wisconsin end, you'll get seven
wins plus. I still think that Northwestern game, if Minnesota
elects to show up away from Ninky Town, is very

(16:06):
winnable because Northwestern is the same as they ever were. Yeah,
I just I don't know that I saw the Drake
Lindsay implosion coming.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
That's where I wanted to go. There's not a ton
to analyze, you, right, I mean because when you when
you throw a pick six and the punt return. And
I do want to talk about the kicking thing because
I'm glad you guys, because I was gonna ask him
about that on Tuesday. I'm still going to and the
Coaches Show. But how you the first kick I set
up into the headset, I'm like, well, if this is
the plan to just kick it to him and let

(16:35):
him walk for twenty yards, I don't love that. Yeah,
it's like that. That's what we came up with, A
low line drive before any coverage gets down there to
a guy who just broke Tim Dwight's record. Google Tim Dwight, everybody,
if you're too young, if you don't know who that
guy was. It's like Tim Dwight and that's about it.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
In returners and and I guess I didn't have a
good appreciation for his until he turned it on right there.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
That can fly.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
He can absolutely fly. Yeah, But the Lindsay thing I
was and Burnsy, I think you and I probably talked
about a pregame. I was really excited. I was excited
for the game, right I was excited for the game
because both teams went in there. They should both be
feeling good. It is a rivalry. It is fun and
most of the time they're pretty competitive and they come
down to a couple of plays here and there. Obviously,

(17:25):
this one was even Farrence. I was listening to the
radio on the way out the postgame show. He said, yeah,
I can't say I saw this coming either, right. He
assumed it was going to be what most of the
games are. He's gonna take it, He's going to enjoy it,
for sure. But I was excited to see how Drake played.
I was excited. I thought he played pretty well coming
out of the gated Ohio State. I didn't think the
Gophers played poorly at Ohio State, you know what I mean,

(17:47):
Like they obviously got run out of the gym, but
I didn't think it was because Drake Lindsay was making
a bunch of mistakes. And so my thesis was he
looked pretty comfortable there, you know, as comfortable as you
can be when there's one hundred thousand. Let's see what
happened here, Let's see how he does it. You got
to throw the ball against Iowa to win, they, in
my opinion, which that might be punted into the ether.

(18:08):
To use Ryan Burns's favorite phrase basically, the first time
they throw it, it's a pick six, and they'll go,
that's why we don't throw it. Well, throw better about that,
and so it was disappointing to see him play that poorly.
What do we think about that? I know we haven't
talked to the coordinators yet this week, Burnsy, but is
it just you know, Iowa was a really tough place

(18:30):
to play. They have a tough defense, and he pressed
in a couple of places that you can't or what
do we make of his struggles?

Speaker 4 (18:36):
I think he's a freshman. I think we're lucky that
it was eight games in. I almost think they're lucky
that it happened in a game where the entire team
also imploded. So as much as it is that Drake
had a bad game, the entire team was horrific. I
think you look at what Phil Parker has done in
his career. He's one of the best defensive coordinators in
college football. I think you look at the only game

(18:58):
that Indiana has act actually it looked human this season.
It was at Kinnick, and Fernando Mendoza went and through
it there as well. But I just think it was
bound to happen, and I don't think that's obviously some
moral failing or that this is something that you can
project forward on. I think he gets a nice rebound
game coming up this weekend at home against a very

(19:20):
zone heavy Joe ROSSI team. I mean, Chip, let me
ask you this. I mean, regardless of how it happened.
I mean, he missed Javon Tracy over the middle on
a timing throw that he normally makes. He forced the
ball for the pick six that he normally just throws away.
I mean, we can talk about the second most important
player on the offense playing three snaps and then him

(19:42):
being out and the other players, but let's stick to
Drake for now. Is yep, don't. I don't know that
there's really anything other than he played horrifically. But does
that mean anything going into this weekend. No.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
Here's the way I look at it.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
I think when they fell down ten to nothing right
off the bat, he got antsy.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
Yeah. I think he looked. You saw some of it.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
He's sailed a couple of throws that we haven't really
seen him do. He's normally been on target. I think
Phil Parker got to him with his scheme. They the
TV showed a one play where was it gears that
was going to drag.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Across the middle.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
Both linebackers went with him, and Drake wound up taking
taking a sack there. I think the scheme was good.
I mean, obviously they're very well coached. I think that
got to him. I think the fact that his offensive
line is not very good got to him. I think,
I'm sorry, they're.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
Just not I mean, for you from yesterday on that.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
I think I think that the they had no running
game put even more pressure on him. It felt like
he had to make plays, and so I just think
he was antsy the whole game. And I think it
was the score. I think it was the defense. I
think it was being a freshman. I think it was
the environment. I think it was all those things. And
he had his first bad game. But I know you
can talk about the offense line, but I mean they

(21:03):
were getting pressure with four and when you can do that,
that makes it hard on a quarterback.

Speaker 4 (21:08):
I mean, and that's where I said it earlier. It's
not like we saw the same three running plays of
inside zone, mid zone, outside zone. We saw pitches, we
saw toss sweeps, I formation downhill, outside zone, and no
matter what they tried, if you can't run six on
six in the box, you have no shot. There is
no scheme in the world that can out personnel personnel there,

(21:32):
and so I continue to harp on it, and it
just continues to be such a disconnect between what I
think I see and what the Gopher football staff season.
They're the ones that make the decisions at the end
of the day, and I'm just a media schmuck. I
understand my role face for radio.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
And all body for podcasting.

Speaker 4 (21:50):
So I hit Fleck with this. I said, you've yesterday
when we talked to him, it was you've talked about
before with the offensive line that you think the five
that's been playing is the best five? After rewatching the
Iowa game, do you still believe that going into Michigan State?
Said three letters. I do, So we're not getting married.

(22:10):
I know a lot of people may try to make
that inference. So my follow up to him at CHIP is, Okay,
how would you assess what you saw on tape from
the offensive line against Iowa? And I'll paraphraser here. I
thought they played incredibly hard, we just executed poorly, So
we got to get that corrected. I just keep coming
back to my favorite quote that's always attributed to Albert

(22:31):
Einstein definition in Sandi's doing the same thing over and
over again, expecting different results. I just I can't see
how they watched the game and specifically the right side
of the offensive line, and say we don't need to
change anything. We don't have to throw out khalite to
five the Washington transfer they've paid some good money for.
Who just refuses to see the field. Tony Nelson, the

(22:55):
pride of Tracy Minnesota, stand up. I don't really care
who you want to throw in there. I just say
we're we got two thirds of data, two thirds of
the season of data, and the right side of the
old line is the problem to me, now, the whole
unit overall with physicality. I ain't gonna disagree with you,
but they just refuse to make it. I don't understand

(23:15):
how why they just continue to trot the same five
bodies out. They throw them at different spots. Maybe chip,
but it is fascinating to see the disconnect between US
media jackals and what they believe internally.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
Well, they see these guys in practice, so it doesn't
speak highly of the guys behind them.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
That's the answer that which I'm not.

Speaker 4 (23:37):
That's not great, right, Yeah, it's it's a problem, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
That's the that's the answer. Is because you're doing this
every week, you're you're the definition of insanity to still
it's still making you mad. It's like, obviously they're aware
it's an issue. They've moved it people pieces around a
million places, right. They clearly don't love who they have
behind them at this moment. And and that's a problem.

Speaker 4 (24:01):
Problem, And that's.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
It's a problem.

Speaker 4 (24:05):
It's the same offensive line coach for all nine years
with that.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
But it's also a portal identification and acquisition problem, right
because the guys that they you know, when you lose
Philip Daniels and then you've got to go out and
replace him, they've obviously lost something there and they haven't
found the right people for whatever the reason that is.
They've misevaluated they couldn't afford it all of the like
that is. I heard somebody was saying, I can't remember

(24:30):
which coach it was, might have been the Tulane coach.
This is like a couple of months ago.

Speaker 4 (24:34):
Did your LSU coach John took it to all that, but.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
He made a really good point because and I don't
want to make this an nil discussion, but it's interesting
because this team has stars, right, They have high dollar
guys for the Gophers, right like Coy Parritch, Anthony Smith,
you know, Darius Taylor. They've kept a lot of people.
What this coach said was, we don't have a lot
of money. So if you're not going to have a
lot of money, where do you and where do you

(24:58):
need to be good in football? You need to be
it up front. If you can be good upfront, you
can mask a lot of different things. You maybe you
don't have a great running back or you don't have
a great speed, And so they need to either find
a way to evaluate better put more money into the
offensive line because Burns, I'm sure you can tell me
it's expensive out there, right, It's expensive for line in

(25:20):
it and it's only get more expensive. I guess my
point is it's a long winded way of in the
this because you can't do anything this year. You can't
go trade for Cam Robinson, like I think the five
guys you're going to see right now, or the five
guys you're going to see, and I think that is
what it is but that's something and I don't know,
you can tell me. I know they've got a couple
of young guys obviously, with Roy and Johnson, you know,

(25:41):
two that are playing well that theoretically are going to
be here next year. You can tell me who else
they have in the pipeline, because I know that's been
kind of an oasis of nothing, right, and that's part
of the reason why they're in this spot too. A
couple of empty recruiting classes that that should be upperclassmen. Now,
that's that's got to be priority, besides retaining the guys
you know that you need to prior to want one

(26:04):
b is investing and finding guys there, right because and
I'm sure they have to do it on defense too,
even though they have some younger guys that they like.
But that's my long winded way of saying, this is
who they have, man like, they don't have anybody behind
him obviously, or they probably would have tried some stuff.

Speaker 4 (26:23):
Yeah, and to your guys' point, it's probably just sunk
cost at this point. And we talked about how the
most important player on the offense didn't play well, and
when he doesn't play well, you need your second best
player to pick up the slack and that's.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Where I want to get it.

Speaker 4 (26:38):
The Darius Taylor discussion, unfortunately for yet another game at Iowa,
because I'm sure he was having flashbacks to twenty twenty
three Iowa where he got injured, where he gets the
first carry, looks to be fine, he hobbles off to
the sidelines a little bit. But the last play for
Darius was actually the pick six where he gets taken

(26:59):
to the and we asked Fleck after the game. He
didn't give us an update. I asked him again yesterday,
said there's no update. I will say this, I don't
expect to see Darius Taylor and may I hope to
be proven wrong until the bowl game. Now I don't
really I don't.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
I mean, do you think it's a reaggravation. I.

Speaker 4 (27:22):
I don't think it's a concussion. So if it is
a soft tissue injury, let's talk about the one he
already had where that one took him out twenty eight days. Well,
there's only so many days left in the season, and
maybe maybe he comes back for Wisconsin. But we also
saw him get injured two years ago at Kinnick in
mid October, and then he didn't play until the bowl game. Now,

(27:42):
this is all speculation because the head coach refuses to
address it. But when Darius Taylor just can't stay healthy
this season, which is unfortunate, and I'll remind listeners as
I remind myself, he did play in thirteen straight Okay, yes,
the start of his career is a copious amount of injuries,
and this season has also been cursed. He's only started

(28:05):
and finished three games. That's it. It's all he's played
in terms of start to finish. But Chip, how do
you expect to play well in Kinnick when your quarterback
doesn't play well and then you're you're all Big ten
caliber running back plays three snaps and then is standing
on the sidelines without his helmet for the last fifty

(28:25):
five minutes of the game.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
Yeah, and it's probably it's a problem because how much
of the game plan do you build around Darius Taylor.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
To not knowing quite a bit? Yes, not knowing really.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
I mean, yes, he played last year, but his career
has just been marred by injuries, and so not just
building a game plan but building the future when you're
you know, building your roster.

Speaker 4 (28:48):
That's why I wanted to take us is regardless of
what happens the rest of this year, what do you do?
And we can spend a lot of time this offseason
trying to talk about it, but I think it's a
worthwhile discussion.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
Of what do you do in the money you want
to build.

Speaker 4 (29:05):
This running back room because I don't know what you do?

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Well they, I mean, they've kind of answered it. I
mean they went out and they got Aj Turner, who's
also hurt, Like we forget running running back to that
was their second running back, right, I mean, yeah, and
he's done for the season. So you what's the name
of the podcast?

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Ye?

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Parentis parent some air now? And yeah, you're at the
air with you know, with Cam Davis and you know,
they they've they've thrown in some younger people. Obviously boy
is going to get some run like he'll theoretically be
there next year. But they had the pair for sure
with Darius and with you know, AJ Turner, and now
they're both hurt again.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's part of the running game issues,
whether people want to talk about it or not. Like
when you're down your two top two running backs, of
course it didn't matters. Yeah, it matters, but it also
I would point to the offensive line before I you know,
it's it's a combination, it's offensive line, it's you know,
it's injuries. But I looked at it yesterday. I mean,

(30:10):
they're they're averying, what one hundred and ten yards one
hundred and fifteen yards rushing per game. They're like one
hundred and nineteenth nationally in rushing. I mean, I don't
think that they you know, when you have Drake Lindsay,
I don't think they're going to be, you know, a
predominantly running team where they're high up anymore. But you
got to be better than this than what they're getting.

(30:31):
I mean, it's it's, you know, Fleck always talks about
the complimentary football, and we saw it against Nebraska. When
they can run the ball, they can, the game just
looks different. And when they don't. Yeah, yeah, I mean
it's so I yeah, it's it's unfortunate for Darius.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
I mean, you didn't want to be hurt, but it's
it's you know, it's it's.

Speaker 4 (30:53):
We talked all off season, or at least I did
with him, or even a big ten media days about
how if you talk to anyone at the Gopher Football Complex,
the amount of time that Darius was spending in the
training room trying to make sure that he knew he
played an eleventh straight come in in into this like
he wanted to make that twenty fourth straight. And he
had spent a lot of time with the strength staff,

(31:15):
the stretching staff, the whoever staff trying to make sure
that he could stay healthy. And it's compare shaped and
it's unfortunate. I know he probably had aspirations of going
to the NFL after this season if he was able
to stay healthy, maybe that's still on the docket for him.
My advice to him would be comeback for another year,
but I'm not his agent or loved ones in that regard.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
Before we pause and talk a little bit about Michigan State,
let's hear from the fourth member of the podcast, my
buddy Chad, who's the Iowa fan. And by the way
I was thinking I was thinking this morning, I think
this is a good bit moving forward. If you would
like to be the fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth, tenth,
we can go all the way through eighteenth member of
the podcast. If you have a team that you followed,

(31:59):
if you're listening to us for more college football discussion.
And maybe you're not a huge Gopher fan, but you
just want to hear stuff about the Big Ten, or
you just you don't like what we do in general,
but you have a team, Well, let's we'll take applications, right,
I mean, Chad pretty much just barnstormed his way he
Mark Gronowski in the red zone, his way into the
end zone to become the fourth member of the podcast.

(32:21):
But if you'd like to be Wisconsin or Michigan State,
or Oregon or Northwestern, please just drop something in the
YouTube comments or on any of our social media channels.
We're happy to include everybody because I think and I
appreciate this. This is Sunday at ten forty am, so
he got up early, had his coffee, read the paper,
and fired off his production notes. He said, the fourth

(32:42):
member of the podcast is going to be brief today.
As you know, I despise fans who glowed after wins,
and I'm aware that almost anything I could say would
come off that way. There's a couple of things he
pointed out. He thinks he says this might be Iowa's
best offensive line since two thousand and nine. Two thousand
and two. If you remember, the are the two Orange
Bowl years for Iowa. Two thousand and two was their

(33:03):
first Big Ten championship. They're obviously very good. I mean
when they're running backs fall when it's second and four
all day like which it was, which it felt like
you're going to be in pretty good spot. But we've
already kind of talked about this, but I like this.
Kinnick is where freshman quarterbacks go to die. Someone pointed
this out on Blue Sky Little Blue Sky Reference last night,
and they're right. This was a tough spot for Lindsay.

(33:24):
He's definitely got the potential, but when Taylor went down,
that was a big ask from a first year quarterback
in a tough environment against a defense that hunts for turnovers.
He also just talked about Gronowski. What more can you
ask for? Exactly what this team needs, Danielson pointed out
on the broadcast, if he doesn't get hurt against Indiana
when Iowa was leading that game, the Hawks probably hold
on for the win. He clearly, you know, when that

(33:47):
game was in the balance, which was about seven and
a half minutes, he definitely made the place he needed to, right.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
Yeah, but I.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
Thought we shouldn't take away from how well Iowa played.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
Yeah, that's very fair. They're good. They're better than they played,
better than I thought they would they. I mean I
thought they were going to play well. We talked about
all this, Gronowski, the line, the defense hadn't been the
hunting turnovers pick six machine that we've seen years past.
That changed third possession, and obviously they had another pick
as well. But yeah, this is a I mean, they're

(34:21):
in the playoff discussion now. They've got the biggest game
they've had in a long time, Oregon in a couple
of weeks, right, So that's gonna be the game. There's
not a lot of good games this weekend in the
Big Ten. There's a huge one next weekend Saturday in
Iowa City.

Speaker 4 (34:35):
Yeah, if they can take care of business against Oregon,
I mean, they do still have USC in Nebraska, so
they've got three out of the four teams still have
a pulse. They get Michigan State at home there too.
But i was a good football team, and if Iowa
can take care of business at home, specifically against Oregon,
I think there is a legitimate discussion for them to
be had about being a college football playoff team, and

(34:58):
that's where it's almost going to be. There's gonna be
a lot of talk, I think down the stretch from
US and others about Illinois versus Iowa, potentially as that
eleven twelve, because Illinois is likely. I mean, Illinois schedule
is absolutely soft, as Sharman, and if they go nine
and three, and if Iowa can go three and one

(35:20):
in this stretch, I think they have the better resume
and should get in above.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
The Illinois toast Illinois Illinois out, you can't get run
forty five in the playoff to Washington Illinois toast.

Speaker 4 (35:31):
Yeah, Washington should be ranked. And I don't know why
they're not.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
In social Iowa, by the way, Yeah, absolutely Iowa.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
Yeah, yeah, I was.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
You know, they were better than I game credit for
for sure. Their offensive line is really really good.

Speaker 4 (35:46):
And their defensive line was as physical as I've seen
all year.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
Yeah, and and you know, Grenowski's not a great thrower, obviously,
but man is he a dynamic runner and he's yeah,
he is the guy just finds a way and you know,
the throat to the touchdown, the deep ball, that was
a pretty ball. I mean, that was you know, Nestor

(36:11):
was draped all over the guy and he put it
right there. I mean, that was a pretty ball. But
obviously their defense is really well coached.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Phil Parker just.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
A genius, I think. I mean, the guy is a
really good coordinator. And I just think when you're good
in the trenches, like you talked about, you're gonna give
your what you just talked about guards you with the
two lank coach. When you're good in the trench, is
that good? You're starting from a position of strength. You know,
in a game you're gonna give yourself. You don't have

(36:39):
to have you know, elite, you know, a passer or whatever.
So they're they're good.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
And then obviously that environment if you're not, Yeah, that
environment is hard, you know. I mean you could tell.
I mean I thought it rattled Lindsay.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
You know, I just think I think that's not just
the environment, but what was happening around him, the score
getting away from him, all these you know, the defense
not able to get off the field.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
It just he just looked like a freshman.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
And I'll say this, the the fans do not take
a series off. Yeah, no load management for the fans
right behind the bench and even and they play all
four quarters too now, even if it's forty one to three.
But they are unrelenting, and for the first time I
talked about it was actually one of the only meaningful

(37:37):
sideline hits I had, I thought, in my opinion, because
I've ever seen it. Everybody has the top of the
benches now because you know teams. I'm sure Burns you
can tell me teams have drones now in outer space
that are trying to look down to read the Microsoft
surface tablets.

Speaker 4 (37:53):
That's what they believe with their tinfoil hats.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
Yeah, so every team now has that lid over their bench.
The Gophers actually put like basically tarps around that opening
in the back, I would imagine, just to insulate them
from what's behind them, which I actually think is not
a dumb idea. Didn't matter, obviously, they just went into
their cocoon every series and watched another bad play and

(38:18):
then went back out onto the field. Yeah. It was Yeah,
they're they're good there, they were outstanding. I just got Oh,
the last thing I wanted to say, if we're handing
out flowers. Credit to Beth Gets two years ago for
saying we're not doing this Brian Farence thing. Anymore. You

(38:38):
guys know me, I always thought the Brian Farens thing
was a little bit overblown because the head coach is
the head coach and his imprints all over the team, right,
And if you don't have a quarterback, as Wisconsin's learning,
you don't have a chance. And they didn't have quarterbacks
for a series of years. Right, That's part of the
reason why their offense was so bad. But in her
early time, as Iola thought, probably the first big big

(39:01):
decision she made, right saying going up against it at
that time, a twenty five year legendary head coach and saying,
we're not doing this anymore. Kirk like, sorry, we're doing
something different. And they go on and they get Tim
Lester and it's a good offense. Now it's not you know,
the offensive two or nine or even six with Drew Tait,

(39:21):
but it's not embarrassment. It's more than competent. And they
know who they are and you can't argue with it, right,
I mean, yeah, once it's kind of I know, they
they kind of meandered during the non conference, which is
also kind of a hallmark of Iowa if you watch
them historically. But once they figure out who they are.
They just keep hitting that Max Bet button like this
is who we are, we're going And I think she

(39:44):
deserves a lot of credit for pulling the plug on
the nepotism bit and saying we got to go do
something different. Find another guy, and Tim Lester is obviously
very good and he found a good quarterback for them
and Mark Ronowski. So that all starts with an athletic director.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
Making a hard decision, making a hard decision, because yeah,
it wasn't just like you know, Chip Schoggin's we're getting
rid of that offensive coordinator, We're getting rid of your son.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Who your flesh and blood, who played here?

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Yeah? Who played here?

Speaker 4 (40:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (40:17):
And there's a lot of fans that agreed with it immediately,
of course.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
Well yeah, but but for the boss to do that, yeah,
that's right. I'm I tell you what, man, that's going
to be a fascinating game with him in organ there. Yes,
that is going to be a big time atmosphere because.

Speaker 4 (40:39):
Contrasting styles, two time zones, baby.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
Two and and a lot of in the playoff implications.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
I mean, that's going to be bember and.

Speaker 4 (40:52):
Figure it out. We get any after the break about
my about narrative, Street with Joe ROSSI coming back.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
Yes, we're gonna get to narrative Street.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
Yes, we go here, we go here.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
All right, I'm like Mark Gronowski. Okay, I know where
the ball needs to go. Okay, it might have taken
me forty minutes to get it there. I know where
the ball needs to go Burnsy Okay.

Speaker 4 (41:13):
Just think your offensive line can protect you at Chip.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
Yeah, just give it a Seconday, just wait for your
narrative Street. And this is a legit narrative, unlike some
of the others that you've tried to force feed on
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(42:20):
after generation after generation of people have gone to Jack's
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Speaker 4 (42:33):
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a couple of weeks. Cannot wait to get into some payment.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
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I don't I can't remember the name of the thing,
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surprised are we about the fortunes of this week's opponent,

(44:02):
the Michigan State Spartans Jonathan Smith, you want to talk
about We're gonna talk about the coaching carousel here in
a little bit, But when he was hired away from
Oregon State, that was seen as a really big time
nice get higher. When they're coming off of the the
Tucker madness from a few years ago, the Mel Tucker deal,

(44:23):
trying to clean that whole thing up. That was a
good hire on paper. Jonathan Smith, the guy that's won
and as Burns heal tell us they have a lot
of money at Michigan State. They are well financed and
well healed, so much so that they can say, when
Jonathan Smith gets the job, you know who I want
to get Joe Rossi, the defensive coordinator at a conference
rival Minnesota, and I'm going to basically not double his

(44:46):
pay but not too far off. Give him one point
five million dollars a year. He's going to move the
family to Lancing and we're going to laugh all the
way to you know, a playoff berth or something and
maybe in year two or year three has not gone
that way. Burnsy, what's going on in the slant Sy?

Speaker 4 (45:01):
Yeah, that's been a culmination of things. They're also a
very banged up team and that's one of the storylines
for this weekend is too. Minnesota's going to be playing
in their sixth consecutive game and Michigan State is going
to be playing in their fifth. I think that plays
a part and why the game total for this one
is so low. I think it's like low forties. But
they've got a quarterback from Michigan State and Aidan Chiles

(45:22):
who has just been He is the most hot and
cold quarterback in the Big Ten and he has some
absolutely backbreaking turnovers just they have. Michigan State's defense has
been put in some horrendous spots because of his turnovers,
whether that's with his arm or whether that's fumbles. I
believe he's got seven fumbles already this season. And Rossi's

(45:45):
defense has been banged up. They do have some skill
position players that are good, but they're just you look
at the point totals that they've been giving up forty five,
thirty eight, thirty eight, thirty eight, thirty one. Well, unfortunately
for Minnesota, Michigan ran for two hundred and seventy yards
last week. I don't think this Gopher offensive line is
going to allow them to run for two hundred and

(46:06):
seventy yards.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
And Darius Taylors might not play.

Speaker 4 (46:09):
Yeah, especially without Darius Taylor status being known. But there's
two things for me in this game. It's takeaways where
that's part of the road struggles. Is Minnesota in twelve
quarters on the road has zero defensive takeaways. One of
my favorite stats to talk about is on the offense's
last one hundred and three drives, they have four drives

(46:32):
of one hundred and three their last one hundred and
three that have started within an opponent's forty five yard line.
So essentially four percent of drives you've given them the
ball and field goal range, and the other ninety six
they gotta go. They gotta go, goal to go. So
you got to turn over eight and Chiles a couple
of times Drake has been much better at home than

(46:55):
he has been on the road. I think you're going
to see a very zone heavy defense. But Joe Rossi's
returned to hunting De Bank Stadium. Chipper, Yeah, you.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
Go back to the higher two years ago.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
I think we all said, man, that's a home run
higher for them, that that that program is gonna get
turned around and be good because they have the infrastructure.
You got the money, they got facilities, have got all
those things.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
That you need.

Speaker 4 (47:19):
And you know they got that rocket mortgage money.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
They get that rocket more yeah money, So that part's
not a problem.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
And yeah, you know, I think we all are.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
I'm a big fan of Joe Rossi as a person
and as a coach. I mean, just the class class dude.
I think he's a smart defensive coach. It is funny,
like you know, I mean I was just looking at
their like one of the worst scoring defenses in college
football at thirty two points a games.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
Like, Joe Rossie is not a bad coach.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
Circumstances, you know, whether it's child's turnovers, where it's injuries,
whether they just haven't played it, He's not a bad coach.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
We know that. Joe Rossie is a very good defensive coach, So.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
I don't know, can you know what all is going
into happening inside their locker room to make that a
bad defense right now? But this is a game you
have to win. It's absolutely a game you have to
win at home.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
Yep, four and a half point favorites, I think is
what it opened that. I don't know if the line
has moved. Burnsy is the Philip of the show down
to minus three, So it's you like that ship. Yeah,
it didn't mean to make you spit out your water there,
but yeah, when we looked at the home schedule, what's
been so interesting about this season is we looked at
the home schedule and said, we were talking about this

(48:34):
in May. This is a major opportunity to run the
table at home. And Nebraska was probably the one big
swing game we thought, right, I know, Rutgers we thought
was probably a swing they win. That one, Perdue was
supposed to be a gamy. It was a little bit
of a grind. As we remember, Wisconsin appears should be
a layup. Now their defense is pretty salty. We might

(48:56):
talk about that at the end of the day, but
this one I thought was also going to be going
into the week, and now the point spread's not crazy,
but going into the week saying this is more of
a toss up. The way the season has played out,
this is more of a necessity, especially because you haven't
won on the road yet and those games, at least
one of them. Oregon looks like it always has. It's

(49:18):
gonna be tough. The Northwestern one at Wrigley looks a
lot trickier than we would have thought six weeks ago.
So it's going to be interesting to see how they
finished this season with this schedule, because there's a legit
path to eight and four, and it's an interesting eight
and four, and that the Iowa thing could mar the

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whole deal, how everybody feels about it. Eight and four.
If you if you said that in August, we would
have said, you take that every step of the way.
And now you see it as it's playing out, that
kind of feels like you got it. You got it
eight and four out of the schedule, even what happened
with Iowa.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
Yeah, I said eight and four, that was my prediction
before the season. I still think that's where they'll wind up,
as bad as things have been, but yeah, when.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
You get you know, states as best.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
Yeah, I mean, Ohio State is gonna blow a lot
of teams out, you know, I mean, you'd like to
be a little more competitive than they were, but okay,
you got blown off the field by the best team
in college football.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
Saturday. Was inexplicable in terms of just how uncompetitive that was.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
So yeah, this is you mean, you know, with Michigan
State struggled, this is a game you have to come back.
You have to you know, you have to shore up.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Some things and you just have to these games. I
thought they're in this stretch of home games. I picked
them to.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
Lose to Nebraska before the season. Obviously they took Obviously
it took care of that. But this is when I
felt like, not knowing really what Michigan State was gonna
do in year two of this regime, I thought they might.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Be a little better.

Speaker 3 (50:58):
Obviously that has a materialized, but this is a game
you absolutely need to win at home.

Speaker 4 (51:04):
And that's where for the first time I think in
his I don't know, going how far back, but ROSSI
was coaching on the sidelines last week. That was one
of the changes that Jonathan Smith wanted to implement because
the defense has been so bad is he moved Rossi
down to call games from the sidelines so that in
between series he can be the one doing the coaching

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up and not via the headset. So that's how Paar
shape things are going there, and it again they've been
banged up. It is what it is, but in what
is going to be? I think the high temperature on
Saturday is going to be like forty four, so it's cold,
but it's not like Wisconsin twenty.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
The sideline reporter doesn't like here.

Speaker 4 (51:45):
Yeah, what am I going to tell you? The Midwest November?

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Man? I know the thing is bad weather, there's bad clothing,
and I'm staring. You can't see it because it's in
my closet. Here downstairs in my guest room slash office
slash where my stuff gets to live in my house
is all of the heated jackets and all of that.
I was dialed for Iowa City, man. I had the
wool socks along underwear. I had the hat.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
We saw that.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
I had the hat. Yep, if I needed that, So wait.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
I gotta I gotta pause here.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
You got some some serious FaceTime there at halftime after
PJ did his TV thing and were you guys like
marching through the band coming on the field. That was
tricky to try to get an interview. Why the band,
Like the tubers are coming by and banging into you.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Yeah, people think that you just you know, get to
stand there and you know, grab a rum runner and
talk with the head coach. There's conditions down there that
things have to move. Things move. We've only been Jerry
Kill and I almost got trampled in Nebraska. That was
the closest that we ever came to some type of Saturday. Yeah,
but we know where we're going. I've got good vision, Chipper,

(52:50):
all right, I know where then where I'm trying to go.

Speaker 4 (52:53):
Chip, you forget you got a big ten athlete and
guardsy what was a very good former PJ. High level
athletes know how to navigate pressure.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
All right, bands marching on, You guys are going it's
like swimming upstream with the band.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
Yeah. And I didn't. I didn't was there a band there.
I didn't even realize that. I just knew where I
needed to go.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Locked in. Locked in, those are the man you blocked
out the noise.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
Not that anybody cares, but when we when we go
second and also by the way, it was an interesting
choice by CBS to talk to the coach that's losing
thirty one nothing that.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
You think has happened. I think that's an advance though, right,
don't think anyvan.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
No, not really the really sometimes it's usually winning or tied,
they're going to talk to the winning head coach going
in okay usually, So it was surprising I think to everybody,
including BJ, I'll always you kind of figure it out
on the field, say what's the deal. The TV wants
them on camera? Sometimes TV wants some not off camera.

(53:57):
We call it the this is really inside bay, but
we call it in Iowa City. Actually if they want him,
it just who goes first, radio or TV? And if
radio if I'm second, well, first of all, if TV
wants them on camera, I'm always second. If TV wants
some off camera, we can still go first. And because

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there's no urgency, so let's just get to it. And
we call that the Feldman rule because one time in
when the Gophers were in i Was City, I can't
remember which year. It was a Fox game, Bruce Feldman
was the sideline reporter and they wanted him for a
walk and talk, and so I said, okay, it's and
I got to sit there and watch as PJ and

(54:38):
Bruce Feldman walked and talked all the way up the
tunnel away from me.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
Oh no, oh no.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
And so we didn't have him, which is the only
thing that can't happen. Yeah, right, Like he can be
mad at me, the equipment can go wrong, I can
ask a stupid question, he can be mad at me
about that whatever. And Pj's rarely done any of those things.
Same with Jerry. I've been very lucky. But I'm just
standing there watching Feldman and PJ just chat like old friends, Like,

(55:05):
all right, well, we're gonna have to make some changes
on this. Oh now we call it the Feldman say
they they're gonna do a Feldman I said, all right,
radio first. But whenever they have him on camera and
I'm second, I always know that my phone is going
to explode within thirty seconds of me being done. And
that was that was you, That was my high school buddies.

(55:28):
That was shout out Ali Lucia, our old friend, the
daughter of the old hockey coach Don who former sideline
reporter in her own right. Uh got a text from her.
Gotta tell you know, it's just it's very funny, but
I know it's always coming. I didn't know they were
gonna literally trail us the whole way.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
You got some.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
Usually it's just like one cutoff and I'm like this,
you know, very ready to go, locked in, got my
mic I'm ready for my two questions with PJ. Let's go.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
But yeah, they they took a walk with us.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
I was the head coach on that interview here.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
That's another thing. When it's that bad, there's he's not
gonna be that Mandy, right. He just says that was
the that was as bad a half of football as
we can possibly have. Everything that went wrong can go wrong. Yeah,
what do you say?

Speaker 2 (56:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (56:12):
And he's always like, we've never had one of those
quid asking Nick Saban moments or any of the like.
He does a good job with all of that. He
always presents well. And I never even when it's really
bad or if he if he's getting boot off the
field because you know, three years ago they run three
plays from the twenty seven yard line to kick a
field goal and everybody's pissed, and I know, I gotta say,

(56:34):
take us in the strategy of that. Dude. He's always
gonna be fine, like very rare. Every once in a while.
It's funny to me. It's funny when he's mad at
the officials and he just got done screaming at Colorado
a few years ago on the road. He was so
mad about something and he just lost his mind. Those
are I mean, most of them are not memorable, right,

(56:55):
So it's okay. It's okay when there's a memorable.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
One, the most memorable ones. We gotta get some fires
due Bill Miller.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
That was my very first halftime interview with the old
linebackers coach Bill Miller, USC twenty eleven. All right, you
got to go, but when do you need to get
We can.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Talk for we can talk for a minute. Yeah, we
can talk for five.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
Mister Projects has another heart out, so we're under the
gun here. We've got we do have to talk about
the coaching carousel because it is going to be insanity
and Brian Kelly just got let go. It sounds like
the governor of Louisiana was involved, because he always is.
I think you have to get well, it's like one
hundred year I was. I listened to Ross Ellinger on

(57:33):
Serious the other day talk about it like it's basically
been tradition and LSU is like the thing in the
state of Louisiana, right, It's their biggest sort of pride.
And you know, I think it's cool if you're an Ela,
if you're a Louisiana high school student and you want
to go to LSU, you go for free. The state
just pays for it, which I never knew before. Right,
So like our friend Hoby Artigue from Fox nine did that,

(57:55):
Tatum Everett, Viking's Entertainment Network did that, Like they're all
about ls which, by the way, great idea great deal
because people have a lot of pride for to go
there and be there and go tigers with the weird spelling.
And so Brian Kelly gets fired. We can talk about
that for a minute. But you just look at the
jobs that are open, and you're looking at LSU, Penn State, Florida,

(58:20):
Oklahoma State, Virginia, Tech, Arkansas, Arkansas, Stanford, Who am I
missing here? UCLA. Just go down the list. A lot
of power for jobs and a couple of blue blood jobs.
So we lamented last week and we can again today
about these ridiculous coaching buyouts. This situation isn't going to

(58:44):
help that, because every single coach that's had any modicum
of success. By the way, I include PJ in this
one again because he's going to be one of these
names for some of these dominoes. Because once these dominoes
are falling and there's not enough coaches to go around. Yeah,
it's these buyouts are not gonna This isn't gonna be
the cycle where athletic directors go. You guys are making

(59:05):
a good point about buyouts. You just saw the answer
with Kirk Signetti and his Monster Holy Guaranteed.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I think we've seen time
and time again fit matters in coaching.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
Heis Brian Kelly was a bad fit at Osue. I
mean the fake trying to adopt the Southern draw from
from the fake accent on just yeah, yeah, And it's funny.

Speaker 3 (59:38):
We watched that game, my wife and I and I
told her he's getting fired tomorrow. I've covered games where
you can tell is the point of no return? I
covered it with Brad Schilders, I've covered it other coaches
where it's just you get a vibe, you're like, this
cannot continue, and every time they pan to the sideline.
Brian Kelly was like in the ear of an assistant coach,

(59:59):
like sternly talking to him, is like you could just
tell the way that was going, the way the fans
are booing, the way that was being managed. That that
was the point in the return he was done, Like
buy out forget it used to be the discussion of, well,
this buyout is gonna save him? How many times we
talk about that with Kirk Farns well when he was
having some tough times. I mean, like every every year

(01:00:20):
it's like, well, all he's got this buyout. In today's
college football, and we'll see if it's that way in basketball,
the buyouts are irrelevant. They're not worried about buyouts, if
I think, because they're you know, they have this TV
money now and all this other money coming in private
equity money. I think they're saying, if if we have

(01:00:41):
a problem, we're just gonna bite the bullet and pay
fifty sixty seventy million dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
So when you started raking.

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
These things, I mean, obviously I think that the first
domino is one is Lane Kiffin do He's going to
be the number one on everybody's list.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Him a little bit? What do we think you know, he's.

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
Been there since two thousand is his fifth year. I
believe twenty twenty he went there. He was definitely a
guy who jumped from program to program to program program
early on. He's matured, gotten older, yoga. I don't know
that ole Miss is going to be able to keep
him though, because one of these schools is going to
pay him just ridiculous amount of money. But I think

(01:01:26):
he's the one that starts the dominoes to fall.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
Is it Florida? Is it LSU?

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
I don't think Penn State. I think he'll stay in
the South. My hunch is either Florida LSU one of
those two.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
Let me ask you this, why can't ole Miss keep them?

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
Well, they have money too, they're sec But are you
saying that ole Miss has is the same as Florida?
I don't know, is the same as LSU. When you
talk about all the.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
LSU know it's not. LSU can clearly do whatever it wants.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
And the thing about l SHU is like you look
at it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
That was the great staff that before Kelly, the three
previous coaches and won national.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Titles, So that is also all got fired.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
It all got fired, So there's pressure there. I don't know,
maybe stays at LSHU. I mean they're I mean stays
of Ole Miss. Look what they're doing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
I mean there's seventh in the country. He's got it rolling.
They're getting good recruits. You're in the South. He's obviously comfortable.
They obviously have money, you know, But is it just Okay,
I've been here five years. I'm gonna try something different.
The Florida, you know, as bad as they've been, it's Florida, man,
and the the recruiting base there, you know, that's it's

(01:02:41):
gonna be interesting. I'm sure it's I don't think it's
a slam dunk, but I think one of these teams,
one of these schools is just gonna absolutely come up
with a monster deal to get him.

Speaker 4 (01:02:51):
Do you want to guess how much buyout money? Now,
we don't know the specifics of what Brian Kelly and
LSU negotiated it down to, same with James Franklin, But
for the purposes of this hypothetical discussion, let's say it's
anywhere near the full biot. Okay, do you know how
much buyout money will be paid out already from the
coaches that have been fired and it's not even in November.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
Oh, Franklin and Kelly fifty three. Right, So one.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
Hundred and fifty million.

Speaker 4 (01:03:17):
One hundred and sixty nine million dollars if those are
full biots. Now we know that hypothetically they're not. But
that's my point is there's still one hundred million dollars
plus and bios has been paid out, and we're not
even talking about like Mike Norvel at Florida State, Jonathan Smith,
the Michigan State coach, Hugh Freeze at Auburn, Belichick Pickel. Yeah,

(01:03:40):
like this is the horrific year if something if and
this is the part that no one's going to want
to talk about until it happens, but if if Fleck
were to leave, this would be a horrific year to
try and replace him, because the supply of good coaches
to the demand of every single team like Minnesota in

(01:04:02):
that instance, is not you. We've talked about the teams
that are looking for a coach that would not This
is not a good year to try and go find
a coach because you're gonna have to overpay, and I
just don't think that you'd get the quality that you're
going to be paying for.

Speaker 3 (01:04:16):
How many of these fired coaches do you think will
get rehired right away.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
Franklin if he wants.

Speaker 4 (01:04:22):
I think fewer than you think, though, because why we
see it every year it's you get fired, and then
everybody takes a year off to kind of recharge, go
be with their families.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
But there's so many good jobs now the families.

Speaker 4 (01:04:35):
Yeah, but this is the year two. If you're not
going to take a year off, you're going to be
in demand because there's just so many job opening.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
Yeah, that's why I wonder, because there's so many jobs
that they're these guys are gonna get recycled, you know,
somewhere else.

Speaker 4 (01:04:49):
It's a what do you would rank the jobs?

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
What do you think?

Speaker 4 (01:04:53):
To me?

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
I would probably say Florida one, l s U Penn State.

Speaker 4 (01:05:00):
I got lets Us one, and I think Penn State's two,
and then I got Florida three.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
Yeah, Florida. You gotta remember, I mean, Florida is like
Steve Spurrier and Urban Meyer in between and before not much.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
It should be.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
It should be, yeah, but I mean even look at
Florida State struggles and Miami struggle. Like everybody says, these
jobs should just be slammed dunks, like, yes, because of
proximity to players. Yes, theoretically, but you still I don't
know if I put them up in you know, over
a historical thing like Penn State or LSU, I mean

(01:05:37):
else us Like you just said you used to be
you signed up at LSU, you were getting a national championship. Yeah,
because in state recruiting there from what I'm told, and
I've heard former Tigers talk about this, there's no there's
no worry about shutting down the borders. If you got that,
you're going because they all grew up wanting to be
the next go down the list, justin Jefferson, you know,

(01:05:57):
Ryan Clark, whoever. Right, it's so a great job.

Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
So you'd put Penn State ahead of either one of those,
even though the recruiting territory.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
I put LSU one, and I put Penn State too.

Speaker 4 (01:06:08):
Ahead of Florida own tier at too too. I think
I think Penn State is in their own tier at
number two. I don't think they're in the same tier
as like Florida. I think we're underestimating the amount of
financial resources that Penn State actually has, Like there's a
reason that they're able to get out from underneath this
buyout and still probably go get whoever they want money considered.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
Those are the top three, and then it's for sure
it gets a lot more on the Virginia Tech, Arkansas.

Speaker 4 (01:06:41):
Stanford, Stanford somewhere in this mix too because they got
to hire. They've had an interim all year and they've
talked about it. I don't remember if I mentioned even
like Mark Stoops in Kentucky. Is he certainly on the
hot seat too, And if there's so many other dominoes
that have left to be pushed over it to where
you said it when you open to it at Guardsy.

(01:07:02):
I mean, this is a once in a decade type
of coaching carosel the way this thing is shaping up,
and I expect things to get wild.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
There's going to be a lot of extensions.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
I heard this morning Rick newteisill say how many SEC
jobs are open? Like three or either could be. He
said there's going to be seven to ten coaches that
get extensions out of this.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
Yeah, well that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
But in the league, yeah, I mean we yeah, we
talked about the buyouts, but it's like.

Speaker 4 (01:07:35):
Is media guys, I can't wait to come on here
weekly in December and talk with each of with both
of you about it, because it is going to be fascinating,
fascinating to see some of these coaches who hop and
I will remind people Big ten coach, I think it
was back in nineteen seventy two was the last time

(01:07:56):
a sitting Big ten head football coach left for a
different Big ten institution. I forget the guy's name. I
think he went from.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
Yeah, we talked about it. I've already gotten yea because
it was like it was like Indiana to something.

Speaker 4 (01:08:10):
It wasn't Indiana or Indiana Northwest or something like that.
But it's been over fifty years, but I expect that
to finally break this year. If something were to happen
with some of these.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
Jobs, well, here's my advice to the Gophers and to
Mark Coyle and PJ. Fleck. I would handle business against
Michigan State pretty decisively because if history is any indication.

Speaker 4 (01:08:33):
Second bye week bye week is a.

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
Time where things like to get tightened up and they
like to get ahead of things. And Mark even said
I think it was after Penn State fire. James Franklin.
I talked to him on the pregame show about what
do you make of all these buyouts? And how do
you get yourself in this situation? And I'm not asking
you to speak on their business, but what do you
see in The phrase he used in describing it was, well,

(01:08:57):
if you look back, we've extended PJ every eighteen months
or so, so that's kind of been our timeline. We've
kind of just done it every year and a half
with different escalators and different things for the salary. When
was that UCLA extension January or February of twenty twenty four?

Speaker 4 (01:09:15):
Oh, we had won this offseason, didn't he say?

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
Right? Yeah, I think right right before the it was it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:22):
It was like February March timeframe where his buyout is
north of thirty million. If Minnesota were to fire him
and if someone were to come get him, I believe
it's five and a half million dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
I remember the it made news at the time.

Speaker 4 (01:09:39):
It was yeah, yeah, we talked about it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
So I missed an extension. Yeah, you're right, Oh my gosh,
it happened.

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
So, I mean it's kind of just that'll be funt
of business where they I.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
Just got so used to it. I must have just
had Yeah, it just happens. Yeah, So that's salary six
mil that stayed the same, that's right. They added like
a retention bonus that increased, and they added an extra year.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
You know, I was reading a thing this morning, and
it is interesting, is that because he's playoffs go so
long now? And and you know I was reading Wetzel
Dan Wetzel on a piece on on Lane Kiffin. Well,
if ole miscuits on a roll, I mean they may
be playing into mid January. Good point is LSU going

(01:10:27):
to wait till mid January? Is another school going to
wait till mid January? Now they could have behind the scenes. Hey,
I'm gonna take it, but boy, that's a you know.

Speaker 4 (01:10:36):
People, National Signing Day is still the first Wednesday of December,
which the Lord bless and keep these high school kids
with what's upcoming here. I don't know what to tell them.
And what's the portal there? Yes, you can sign and
then hit the portal. But this thing starting December, I
mean starting the Sunday after the regular season. Boy, oh boy,

(01:10:58):
is this thing going to start to really pick up speed?

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
And when does that portal open? Burns eed the.

Speaker 4 (01:11:03):
World opens second week of January January and there's only
one portal window this year, so that factor is that
portal window is gonna be it's gonna be hot like
that forty five to sixty day stretch December one until
say January thirty. First, keep your head in a swivel.

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
But if you say Lane Kiffin's our guy and we
don't really care about this year's portal, we're willing to,
you know, sacrifice that, then we'll just you do it
right if.

Speaker 4 (01:11:32):
You're surprised if that's their approach, considering everybody wants to
be Kurt Signetti because everybody's everybody like I we hear
it from fans all the time, Well Signetti did it.
Signetti is the exception. He is not the rule. Like
for most programs, you're gonna need a couple of years
to turn this thing. And we're even seeing what Matt
Rule is doing at Nebraska now they don't play Minnesota well,

(01:11:55):
but they're now six and two. So for most programs,
it's going to take a couple of years. I just
have a hard time believing LSU is going to say, yeah,
let's punt or they're just going to have to throw
I don't know, eight figures into the portal recruiting and
just go buy everybody's best players.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
Which, by the way, they already did.

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
Sure, yeah they were.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
The number I heard was thirteen to fifteen million dollars
in an I that's what?

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
Yeah? What did uh Brian Kelly? So I thought he
said eighteen million?

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
Yeah? Well you still think Matt rule at Penn State.

Speaker 4 (01:12:27):
I still think that is if you're asking me today.
Oh man, I still think that's the odds on favorite
is Matt roll State.

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
That would be tough. That would be tough for nebraskause.

Speaker 4 (01:12:37):
I think Clark Lee go somewhere from Vanderbilt. I Also,
you know the name I've also seen for Penn State
and LSU is Joe Brady. Yep, Yeah, the coordinator Buffalo
Bill's offensive.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
He was the architect behind Joe Burrow, justin Jefferson jam Off.

Speaker 4 (01:12:55):
He wants to get into the college game. I mean,
this thing is just so crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
Yeah, don't sleep on coordinators. I know everybody coach, but
Dan Lanning wasn't a head coach before he went to Oregon, Right, Yeah,
that dude's pretty good. Like it's different now it I
do think there is value to being a head coach.
And running a program and knowing how all of that goes.
But even for these big, big jobs, I don't think
that's a requirement anymore. I just think these young guys

(01:13:20):
know what they're doing. They know they're how the game's played.
It's so much more transactional, and let's just get the
best players and let's go. I get it, Like it
makes sense if you've you know, the old way where
you want a couple of MAC titles, or you were
good in the sun Belt and now you've worked your
way up. Like, no, man, these kids are ready to go.
These thirty five year olds are ready to go. They've learned,
they're ready, they're hungry, they know how to do the

(01:13:42):
booster stuff. I mean, can you imagine passing on Dan
Lanning because he didn't have any head coaching experience. Yeah,
Like that would be silly to me.

Speaker 3 (01:13:51):
Yeah, I mean there's always that fear though, if it
doesn't work out and you're like, wow, you took a
flyer on a young guy who wasn't ready, you know. Yeah,
But if you have conviction about the guy and you're
all you can't live in fear a net, you know.
I mean, so it will be interesting to see if
there's any NFL coordinators trickle down.

Speaker 4 (01:14:08):
There's not enough college names to fill all the college
like there's gonna be some very unconventional hires just because
there's so many. There's not enough good coaches to fill
all these voids and the amount of leverage that if
you are having a decent year at the college level,
when you're a head coach or a rising coordinator, you
couldn't have picked a better year cause you're gonna either

(01:14:30):
get overpaid by your school or you're gonna get overpaid
by a school who wants to come get you.

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
Lastly, on this can, has there been a worse run
for an athletics director than Scott Woodward at LSU. He
is responsible for hiring jimbo Fisher at Texas A and
M and having to pay him what was it, seventy
five million dollars ninety Yeah, you're right, and now he's

(01:14:58):
responded like he's basically his last two hires have cost
one hundred and sixty million dollars of fire and they
got nothing good for it. Like athletic director, I know,
and I'm anti search firm. I think that you know,
if you're an athletic director, Why if we're paying you
a million plus, why do we need to outsource this thing? Like?
What that's what I appreciate about Mark. Yes, he's not

(01:15:21):
and now he's smart because his predecessor did search firms
and we know how that didn't work. But that's what
it's amazing. It's like we're paying because, in all honesty,
the most important thing an athletic director does is hire
a coach. Right, Yeah, that's that's what the money's for.
It's and obviously fundraising and stuff, and you know, you
know all these other things, but in your main sports

(01:15:43):
that's your job. Now. I'll say, though, if I'm LSU
and i'm their board of trustees and their governor, I'm
looking at Scott Woodward in his track record and going
can we get a second opinion? I know you like this,
but can we get a second opinion? This might be
more this guy. Yeah. My one amendment to the search
firm rule is if you've if your last two hires

(01:16:05):
have cost the respective schools one hundred and sixty million
dollars to fire them, you might want to sit this
one out, or at least get some extra council.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
Get a second opinion.

Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
I know, it's ridiculous. That is a mythic run. How
will that run? Ever? That is a mythic run of negativity.
I can't even believe it, but it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:27):
You know, you you hired the Notre Dame coach. You thought, hey,
we're getting a big time hire.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
And that's where I.

Speaker 3 (01:16:32):
Go back to fit matters, Fit matters, and it just
Brian Kelly never fit.

Speaker 1 (01:16:38):
There. So yeah, it's a it's a beautiful thing, all right,
anything else we need to talk about? Another fun episode?
I thought I thought we got as much out of
a forty one to three loss as we could. That's right,
and we didn't exactly have the best ingredients for a
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