2025 Week Ten Review: Gophers Rally, Who is This Team, Iowa/Oregon, CFP Rankings

Chip Scoggins, Ryan Burns and Justin Gaard are back to recap the Gophers survival rally against Michigan State. Nine games in, do we know what this team is yet? Drake Lindsay was at his best when he needed to be again, the defense was feast or famine, how should we properly evaluate what we've seen so far? The guys also give their thoughts on a huge game between Iowa and Oregon in Iowa City this week and react to the intital College Football Playoff rankings.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Glenn Mason said a long time ago at the University
of Minnesota, you need a.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Pair and a Spare.

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Thank you, PJ. It is time for another edition of
the Pair and a Spare podcast. I'm Justin Gard from
kfa N. We've got Chipskoggins from the Minnesota Star Tribune
and Ryan Burns from Gopher Illustrated dot com. We are
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(00:25):
We are recording a day later this week because Burnsy
wanted to go kill animals. So let's get the update. Burnsy,
how are we doing your favorite time of year, football
and shooting things?

Speaker 3 (00:36):
What's going on? I want to give the update. First.

Speaker 4 (00:39):
My parents asked me, what's the story on the Halloween
baby thing? And I went, you guys are way late
to the picture now and hold on.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
They're acting like they don't know. They're unaware, because.

Speaker 4 (00:54):
Yeah, She's like, why did you willingly tell people that go, Well,
if I'm gonna have scars, everyone's gonna have cars.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
I didn't. I didn't ask for that. Emotional damage.

Speaker 5 (01:04):
I didn't need to know that.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Well, what you should have said was talk to your husband.
He's the one that told me, right, that was the
whole point. Your dad was the one that told you.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
I think right.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
Your mom was just living her life, trying to keep
you know, just trying to go about her business. You
know what some annoying chip is. I forgot about it.
I completely forgot about it, like I did too until
someone came up to us at the pregame and said, hey,
birdied your parents like Halloween, and I almost fell off
the stage.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Well, somebody, what is the Twitter stuff?

Speaker 6 (01:35):
That's that's what I realized, that people are putting it
on Twitter about Oh it was the blizzard. Somebody reminded
about the blizzard, and then you had to make them
take the shot.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
I get at least five to ten people every year
that wished me a happy Halloween blizzard eve.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
So your mom's looped in onto the joke.

Speaker 5 (01:54):
Now she is well aware of the joke. She doesn't
understand why I told people.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
But why would you willingly tell people that? Yeah, nothing's
bigger than the bit. It is what it is.

Speaker 4 (02:04):
We got some we got to meet in the freezer
and I'm still I'm really close to a Humdinger.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
I just I need I need everything.

Speaker 4 (02:13):
To line up. I could see him at seventy yards
last night. And I won't get into full story mode
here until I get one on the ground. But it's
coming at me at seventy yards and playing Robin Hood
and then a from where eye hunt. It's par for
the course. A U TV comes by, just chimp and
there he goes, bounding back into the cover.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
So way it goes.

Speaker 4 (02:36):
But I appreciate everybody giving me the extra day so
I can get some hunting time in with my father
Father Son podcast.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
That's all we are, it really is. We're about moments
and memories. Yeah, and that's what you're doing. We're a daylight.
No big deal, It's all good.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
Chip.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
You had a weekend where you were you were watching
college football as a fan.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
Times you go back and watch the Gopher games. Sometimes
you don't, which I Yeah, what were you doing this weekend?

Speaker 3 (03:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (03:04):
I went down to uh Iowa State too. Uh I
didn't get to go to Dad's weekend at my son's
fraternity because the Gophers are playing.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
I can't remember who they had, But.

Speaker 4 (03:14):
Is it because you lost a beer game so horrifically last.

Speaker 6 (03:17):
Yeah, we did play beer games. It was a is
it do you win or lose if you.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
Yeah, that's the beauty of it. Nobody knows.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, it was fun.

Speaker 6 (03:31):
I mean Iowa State there, the stay in configuration is
not like uh, Huntington Bank, but in terms of size
and kind of intimacy of it, it reminds me where
there's not a bad seat in the house really, you know,
no matter where you get your tickets. So yeah, so
I went and watched them and and uh played Arizona State.
Uh the old friend Jeff Sims that was the Nebraska

(03:54):
quarterback correct.

Speaker 5 (03:56):
Yeah, years ago from the opener.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, yeah, Iowa State could not stop that guy.

Speaker 6 (04:01):
He had over four hundred yards combined offense, and just
whether he ran it or passed it, they had no
uh answer form. And so but it was fun. Yeah,
get the I always enjoy you know, one of the
drawbacks of the job that we have is, and I've
said it for years, when you're walking to the press

(04:22):
box and you're walking by all those people having fun tailgating,
and you're like, man, that's what I want to do.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
Like we're going to work. They're out there enjoying it.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
And I had.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
My wife's college friend.

Speaker 6 (04:34):
We've we've known him for twenty five years we've been
here and since we've been here, and their son goes
Iowa State and too, and he's like, you know, there's
just nothing like And he has kids that go to Iowa,
Iowa State, Wisconsin creating not at all the same time,
but that's where they went and the you know, they
kind of go around.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
He's like, there's nothing.

Speaker 6 (04:51):
Like college football and you know, uh, the band and
the tailgating and being on campus. And I was like,
you know, what absolutely is and I know we've said
that before, is like a weekend on a college campus
when there's.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
A football game. It's just something special, like the energy.

Speaker 6 (05:05):
And so to get to be able to experience that
with my family and my sister flew in and her
husband from New York and so we just kind of
had a out, big party. They were rented a house
there that you could walk to the stadium.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
Full team coverage. It was fun.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
Yeah, it was fun. It was a lot of fun.
So but I did get back Sunday and rewatch the.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
Game full team coverage. Man, I respect that you're right.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
I had my son at the game with me for
some of it, and he wanted to do the Gopher Garden,
the Oak Street thing rather than Brothers Hockey, so I
brought him down Burns. He saw him, he you know,
and I'm kind of like peeking out. He's so we're,
you know, we're playing spike Ball and we're doing the golf,
and we're doing the bags and we're doing whatever else

(05:52):
those yard games are. And then he finds the video
game and then he didn't want me to be around anymore.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
So that was good.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
He played basically played college foo Ball twenty six with
a bunch of strangers for what would you say, Burnsey,
the entire time you were out there with me.

Speaker 5 (06:05):
Yep, Yeah, Goldie went over, had a great.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
Time with him. You got to service you're doing your
job with me on Oak.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Street, Yeah, because that is the tough part. Like you say,
when we're working, there's a lot of stuff you don't
get to do, and we have awesome jobs.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
Yeah, mean, my job's incredible.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
I still can't believe it sometimes that yeah, I get
to do what I get to do for the Gopher
Sports Network. But yeah, when you're eleven year old's like, oh,
I want to go do some I want to I
want to go to the game first of all, which
is fun. It'd be fun to sit with them, But
to spend like an hour with them pregame while I'm working,
was what's fun?

Speaker 3 (06:34):
What's a cool deal?

Speaker 6 (06:36):
Well, and I've already I've said my wife's on board
because she loves going to college campuses too in games.
But when I retire, one of my things we're going
to do is just pick a game somewhere, a good game,
and go as fans. And like we went to you know,
the typical uh college town sports bar the night before

(06:59):
where they got you know, all the TV's going and
Arizona State fans were coming in and they had the
you know, their shirts on and all the decorations.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
It's like, that's what it should be like.

Speaker 6 (07:09):
You go where you know, all the fans are gathering
the night before, you know, I have a burger and
a beer and then you tailgate. Like when I retire,
I want to be like, Okay, there's a big game
at Georgia, I'm going there, Notre Dame Right River shoot
out and just go be able to fly there on
a Friday morning Friday night, go to the you know,
the local popular hangout for a burger and beer, and

(07:31):
then find somebody let your tailgate with them the next
day and go to the game. Goodness, that would be
That's my dream. That's what I'm going to make happen
when I retire.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
God, let's start your bune retirement package.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
It's a long ways away. Probably, it's a long way.
I can see the finish line, but it's still a
ways out there.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
I always like when I have to fly separate, and
I'm sure you guys see this, but given Minneapolis is
the hub, you know for Delta, I always like seeing
on a Friday all the different schools.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
Oh yeah, people are.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
Flying out right Like that is in other cities, as
we've talked about, Like it's in NFL teams too, right,
Like sometimes I'd be flying back and it's like, oh,
there's a Steelers fan here. I wonder where they're going,
you know, Like it's it's cool to see wherever because
it is. I mean, people make weekends out of it,
as they should. It's the whole point. It's the whole
part of the deal. But it's fun to see, especially

(08:18):
in like the A terminal, like when I'm flying to
Seedar Rapids, Like there's a flight the Lincoln, there's a
flight the Madison, there's you know, a flight to wherever
Grand Rapids for Michigan State, obviously Detroit for Michigan. Like
you can basically see what the college football Saturday looks
like if you just walk down the A terminals in
all these little regional jets as people are trying to

(08:39):
get to their respective college towns. So all right, let's
talk about the game. I still I don't really know
why it was a game. It was something, and the
Gophers burns to you and I talked about it. They
they absolutely should have been up by like at least
thirteen at halftime, probably seventeen, given how well their defense

(09:03):
is playing in the first half and how just discombobulated
Michigan State was. But when you make mistakes and let
teams hang around, one random seventy some yard touchdown pass
gets you right back into the ball game. That's what
happened in the second half. Gopher offense couldn't do anything
in the second half until they needed to. We have
penalties to talk about. We have flags that got picked up.

(09:23):
Where do you want to start burnsy. The Gophers won.
By the way, they're still undefeated at home, six to
zero at home and now four and two in the
Big Ten after beating Michigan State.

Speaker 4 (09:34):
They find the hardest ways to win games, and it's.

Speaker 5 (09:39):
Some of it self inflicted.

Speaker 4 (09:40):
Some of it continues to be as much as the
Gophers shoot themselves in the foot Michigan State or even
I go back to the Purdue game.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
Yep, it's not about winning it.

Speaker 4 (09:50):
It's not losing it the old Fleck adage, and I
think he continues to be right on that with.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
Some of these home wins.

Speaker 4 (09:57):
It is there's so many different fat sits of this game,
where it's the offense continues to struggle, but it's why
they're struggling. The defense now leads the Big Ten in sacks,
but they haven't forced a turnover on like any of
their thirty two sacks, which I don't know how that's possible.
Special teams continues to do what they've done, which is
be incredibly mediocre.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
But they're six and three.

Speaker 4 (10:19):
So before I get even more into it, Chip, you
got to rewatch it.

Speaker 5 (10:23):
We had to watch it live.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
Unfortunately.

Speaker 5 (10:25):
What were your impressions of that.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yes, I just think they're incredibly inconsistent defensively. I looked
it up. They're tied for fourth nashally in sacks.

Speaker 6 (10:36):
I would love to see the explosive plays they give
up where they right there, it's like they either sack
or give up a big play, and it's so.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
It's hard to get a beat on, like when a
team is like that.

Speaker 6 (10:48):
So Jack one Hyde, I'm so glad you said that.

Speaker 5 (10:51):
That is literally the worded I used.

Speaker 4 (10:54):
Oh you did you have twelve tackles for lost in
seven sacks and you gave up over five hundred yards.

Speaker 6 (11:00):
Yeah, it's are it's either a good play or bad play,
which is that's always hard to get to read on
a team when they do that, because you're like, Okay,
they do this really well, but what happened.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
To the you know, that big fast play.

Speaker 6 (11:14):
So I don't know, Michigan State obviously shot themselves in
the foot. They're probably kicking themselves over some things. I
just think the Gophers are incredibly inconsistent. You see flashes
when they do some really nice things and some flashes
when they don't do good things.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
And and.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
I think the bottom of the Big ten.

Speaker 6 (11:40):
Is not very good, and so they've they've benefited from that.
I think you'd be naive or you're not saying that.
But to their credit, when they have to have the
you gotta have it, play, gotta have it drive, by
and large, they've come up with it. And I go
back to the first what what was the first game
where I asked you in the press box about Drake?

(12:04):
I said, was this his first got to have it?

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Drives?

Speaker 3 (12:08):
No?

Speaker 2 (12:08):
It was was it Rutgers? Yeah, it might have been Rutgers.

Speaker 6 (12:11):
They seem to rise to the moment in those situations
where they need to stop, they need to second, they
need something, and they get it done. So, you know,
four and two, you know, I saw a lot of
chatter about the worst four and two whatever, you know.
I mean, they're fourign too in a big ten. Obviously
it helps who they're playing. I mean, those teams have

(12:34):
kind of self destructed at the time, at the moment
of truth, you know.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
But just the inconsistency, to me is what jumps out about.

Speaker 6 (12:42):
How they can make splash plays one moment and turn
around and just look like they can't tackle the next.

Speaker 4 (12:50):
Yeah, they're just inconsistent across the board and despite all
that they are foreign to and I just feel like
that continues to be lost. And I know we're seventy
two ninety six hours out from that game, but the
amount of anger from this now Again, justin Gard has
taught me many things in.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
My young life, this might be the most important thing
I've taught you, though, Go ahead, And.

Speaker 4 (13:11):
I understand that my perception of things is also skewed
because I run a message board. But the amount of
consternation that this fan base has towards a six and
three football team that I would argue is overachieving what
they have for talent is just I don't understand the
anger at this stage of the week.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Still, Well, I will say this, and.

Speaker 6 (13:35):
I think it's what I said a minute ago. The
bottom of the Big ten is bad. Let's just be honest.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
It is.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
And when you've played good teams, you've gotten.

Speaker 6 (13:46):
Blown off the off the field. That's where it's coming from.
It's I think it's stems from that. It's like they've
beaten bad teams not convincingly, you know, and they've gotten
blown off the field against good teams. I think that's
where the consternation's coming from.

Speaker 4 (14:03):
Well, for whatever reason we talk about inconsistencies. They just
suck on the road. I mean suck is probably like
that's part of why you're getting They've they've been out
scored one hundred and ten to twenty on the road,
and I understand that. That's Like I'm sitting in the
press boxes watching it like the rest of you guys,
like I understand it sucks to watch, and I understand

(14:24):
they're not beating these bad Big.

Speaker 5 (14:27):
Ten teams convincingly. But who Here's where.

Speaker 4 (14:29):
I'm at is none of the three of us are
screaming for this team to be ranked in the College
Football Playoff. None of us are trying to tell you
that this team is going to be a College Football
Playoff contender this year. That was never going to be
the plan coming into the season. We talked about it
all the time. But if the alternative is they're three

(14:50):
and six instead of six and three, because a lot
of these bounces could have easily gone.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
The other way.

Speaker 4 (14:56):
Yeah, getting calls and again the Kerry Brown whatever versus
some of the other things. Again, Michigan State imploded more
than Minnesota did. And we're not telling you to throw
Minnesota parade, but this game was a three point spread
and guess what it ended up as a three point win.
Like there's there's certainly things to be mad about, or

(15:16):
even with the offense, I know that that's getting a
lot of run. Like I think with the offense, we
keep forgetting Drake's in his eighth career start. Darius Taylor
is now out again. I'm not expecting to see him
until Wisconsin, if not the bowl game. You're without your
top two running backs, your pass catchers had more fumbles
than contested catch wins, and your offensive line can't get

(15:38):
any knocks backs to save their lives, like if you
want to, if you want to hit on Harbo, The
biggest thing to me would be Chip, Where has Minnesota
excelled with their offense in these situations that you've been talking.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
About put it in the quarterbacks hands?

Speaker 5 (15:55):
Well, go more tempo is where I want to see. Yeah, yeah,
end of half, end of game.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
Like, yeah, that's where this offense actually gets a spark.
And I understand that tempo usually only works if it's
the second pitch to the fastball. Well, if you have
a Johan Santana type of change up, which for this
Gopher offense, tempo seems to be. That's where I would
implore Harbo during this bye week to explore maybe I

(16:21):
should just go a lot more tempo all the freaking time,
because they're just they have nothing in nothing resembling consistency anywhere.

Speaker 6 (16:30):
So yeah, I think Temple's hard to go. I'm un
the fit because you're right, like that's when they seem
like they're getting in a rhythm and where it just kind.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Of they're able to move the ball. If that was
more of a staple than a curveball or than a
change up. I don't know, I'm just open effective doing that.
I don't know. I'm just I'm just throwing.

Speaker 7 (16:53):
It out team, which is what the Fennal boy long
explosive run was, because they clearly can't run what Fleck
wants to run and what he has run, which is
the zone running scheme.

Speaker 4 (17:05):
This offensive line just is not good with it. And
again they're on their third and four string running back again, right,
like yeah, probable not without fault on this thing, just
like Danny Collins again, twelve tackles for lost, seven sacks,
no takeaways, again, like how does that?

Speaker 3 (17:22):
Like?

Speaker 5 (17:22):
I It's it's a maddening team.

Speaker 4 (17:25):
I'm not disagreeing with you, but I just know that
six and three, four and two is a lot better
than three and six and two.

Speaker 5 (17:33):
Or one and five, whatever the alternative may be.

Speaker 6 (17:35):
Yeah, I think, and I'm just speaking as I'm trying
to get into mindset of fans, because I mean.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
I do it with Tennessee.

Speaker 6 (17:41):
You always have expectations of your team that probably are
more than every fan wants to win every game by
twenty right, that's just how it works.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
I mean, I do that with Tennessee balls.

Speaker 6 (17:53):
I'm like, as unrealistic as it seems, that's what I want, right,
And we're playing in for your team?

Speaker 2 (17:59):
Why we should blow this team out?

Speaker 6 (18:00):
You know, I think the inconsistency is the hard part
because again we go back to you watch the I'm
just gonna focus on defense because I think they have
less or they should have less issues than the offense.
But because you see like the sacks and you see

(18:21):
kind of these splash plays, You're like, why can't they
do this all the time? Why do they have these
busted plays? Why do they have miss tackles? Why did
they give up these explosives all the time? When you
see the good, you know, so we we tend to
think the good should be the good all the time?

Speaker 2 (18:34):
Does that make sense what I'm saying, Like.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
They just struggle for consistency standard, But yeah, it's not
all the time, because that's yeah, I understand what you're saying.

Speaker 6 (18:46):
So I just think I think what's probably causing some
of the frustration is just the roller coaster nature of
this of this team, where it's like fits and starts, right,
oh my gosh, now there they got something going here,
and then they give up a you know.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
A big player, like where did they come from?

Speaker 6 (19:04):
You know?

Speaker 2 (19:04):
What? What is this team? And so but I.

Speaker 6 (19:09):
Bet if we looked around and really analyzed a lot
of teams, they're all going through this except for this
very small the very small percentage that are really really
really good at the Ohio States and Indiana's they're just
steamrolling everybody. Well that's there's sort of the outlier.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
Now.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Do I think the Gophers should be more consistent? Absolutely?

Speaker 6 (19:26):
Like I do you wish they would kind of find
something that that works offensively.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Absolutely.

Speaker 6 (19:33):
I don't know that's gonna happen this year, though, I
think this is sort of who they are.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
I mean, they played how many games. This is now,
there's three games left.

Speaker 6 (19:41):
This is who you are, this is their identity. They're
just gonna it's gonna be inconsistent.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
Well, I kind of I want to see how the
last three games go because I do think what what
hurts the perception of them, Because I do think. I mean,
I'm just looking at I just pulled up the standings,
like I mean, we can go through you know, Michigan
State schedule. We can go through produced schedule, we can
go through Rutgers schedule. We can find games where they've
they've also hung in, like Rutgers probably should have beaten

(20:08):
Iowa at home a couple of weeks ago, right, Like
I still can't believe they let Mark Gronowski, you know,
beat them like he did. Now that's what Mark Gronowski does.
Like there's a there's an art to not losing games,
as Burnsy said, and the Gophers have done a good
job of not making the critical errors at the moment
of truth, unlike a bunch of teams that they've played.

(20:30):
I want to see how the last three games go
because what hurts I think what hurts it is that
you went down to Iowa and failed to get off
the bus. Yeah, right, Like there's definitely a hangover from
that when and now the Nebraska game, like that's not
even going to be posthumously evaluated correctly because their quarterback
got hurt. So whatever season you know this last week
against USC so whatever season they had is not going

(20:52):
to be the season. Like when you look at it
at the end, you've thought, hey, Nebraska is eight and four.
Gophers beat him, Like that was the most impressive game
of their season, right, they sure beat They beat a
team that was preemptively ranked, as Guardsy predicted back on
July fourth that they were going to be five and
one and they were going to be ranked. Nailed it.
They beat them Friday night, played great, and then they
carried that momentum down to Iowa City and the game

(21:13):
was over in twelve minutes. And so I think that's
where that's where people are. Like, Man, if they just
played competitively against Iowa, you could say, all right, we
see where this is going, because I I mean, I
just see I do you know, I've watched more college
football this year than I've probably watched because of all
these night games, and then I've probably watched all season long,
and every week it does seem like there's some grinder

(21:37):
that you're not expecting. You can even look at Illinois
being you know, three and three, Nobody saw that coming,
just kind of looking through you know, Northwestern, Nobody saw
them being three and two. I guess what I want
to say, I want to see how they play the
last three because if they if they hang with Oregon
or at least make it reasonably competitive, which is the

(21:57):
the unfortunately the road baseline right now, because their last
two road games have been such a debacle. Ohio State,
you get Iowa not so much, and then how do
they play against Northwestern?

Speaker 3 (22:07):
And do they just handle Wisconsin?

Speaker 1 (22:09):
Then I think, I mean, it's still an incomplete season
in terms of data, but I just think that they've
been so non competitive against the good teams, and then
nobody wants to give you don't because of that. People
don't want to give the credit for well, they found
a way to win all these games against these other
teams that aren't very good.

Speaker 6 (22:28):
Yeah, without a doubt, getting run off the field twice,
even though it's Ohio State and they do it a lot.
But the Iowa one, I think people are just gonna
say anytime they played a good team, they've gotten blown out,
and then the really struggles to put away these you know,

(22:49):
the bottom of the Big Ten. You know the Rutgers,
they need to snap to go through their legs, you know,
prow this one. I mean, it's they just haven't won convincingly,
and so I think if one of those games had
been or two of those games have been more. Even
though Nebraska was that was a butt kicking. But I
just think that uh squeaking by these teams, you know

(23:14):
what we'd call the bad teams in the Big Ten,
and getting blown out by the good teams.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
I think it's natural for fans to feel that way.
I just do. I mean, should you.

Speaker 6 (23:22):
Celebrate being It's a hell of a lot better winning
than losing. We'll say that, right, six and three.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
That's a heck of a lot better than.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
Entertaining. But but you can't do it.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
But optics count to Optics matter to fans. It does.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
Now.

Speaker 6 (23:38):
Some may say, hey, these are fun and exciting and
they I love that they won close games. Some may
feel that, but I understand some people thinking when you
really played good teams, they weren't competitive.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
Which is why the next couple of weeks you right, Sure,
I think are important, Like how do you you got
to show up against a good team at some point
as as Oregon is to play and I've never been there,
but I've heard it's ridiculous. Yeah, and then Northwestern is
not the game we thought it was going to be
two months ago, right, Like, that's a team that'll be
That coach has done a hell of a job. We

(24:09):
probably haven't talked enough about that, so uh and then
obviously we know what Wisconsin is at this point. We
gotta they got to figure out a way to just
handle that one and not give Luke Fickle, you know,
something to hang his hat on on this in this
last season.

Speaker 6 (24:23):
But you're right, if if Oregon gets sideways and it's
like you know, people, I mean, what the reactions should
be like, Okay, well when you face good teams, it
wasn't competitive, So what does that tell you?

Speaker 2 (24:36):
You know?

Speaker 4 (24:37):
I just it's it's unfortunate for them that every good
team they play is on the road, which is as
we talked about after the Iowa game and guards you
just mentioned it too.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
They just refuse to get off the bus.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
For I would say the opposite.

Speaker 6 (24:50):
If you're gonna play great teams playing on the road
because you want to be Yeah.

Speaker 4 (24:54):
Whatever this is because it just continues the theme of.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
In terms of perception, I get it. In terms of perceptions, yeah,
but there's no saying.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
I mean, the argument is if Wisconsin can show up Wisconsin,
a team that has scored twenty seven points in five
Big Ten games, if they in a completely lost season,
for them can show up in Oregon, especially when Oregon
has to play Iowa this weekend and then return all
short week to play you off a bye If you
don't show up after a bye week and they get

(25:23):
a short week, I mean, media jackals will continue to
ask the questions. And I know I asked it to
PJ after the Iowa game, like why does this keep
happening for you guys on the road? And I know
the answer then, and I'm sure it will be again.
If I knew how to fix it, I would, But yeah,
they got to show up.

Speaker 5 (25:43):
They got to show up against Oregon, that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
Mike Glass have full Outlook if I if I'm trying
to go on Burnsy's message board, is the fact that
how many years have we had nil and all that stuff?
You know what three years probably three or four or
it's been like legit something like that, Burnsy. I'm trying
to think when Bucky Irving left, that was after twenty.

Speaker 6 (26:03):
Twenty twenty one, Yeah, yeah, twenty twenty two, Yeah, around
that three four years.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
I just think I mean now with rev Share two
and everybody's rev sharing, so that's good, But just the
fact that they've like, because you're right, Chip, there are
some bad teams, like some teams that have disastrous records,
like I know Purdue's got a new coach, but even
go back to their their last coach, like Purdue should
never be this bad, this bad, right, Michigan, Michigan State
should never be this bad, this bad Wisconsin should never

(26:30):
be this bad, this bad. We obviously know about Penn State, Rutgers.
We can argue about Maryland kind of is who they are.
Like there are people I know I was worried two
three years ago about where's this thing gonna go? I mean,
I think Joe Rossi left Minnesota to go to Michigan State,
not just because he got one point five, which is
a big part of it.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
But Chip, I remember we talked about it.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
You may have even written about it, like he was
concerned I think about where Minnesota was gonna fit in
in the new continuum, and I yeah, I think they've
done a good job of keeping themselves relevant here in
this new era, where of course it's it has not
been perfect this year, but it's an interesting time and
teams are clearly struggling with either keeping players, getting players,

(27:12):
or coaching players when they get there, which I also
don't think is should go untalked about. Like you're throwing
teams together almost every single year, and you got to
figure out where it used to be you could build
stuff up and you could have a class, and we're
recruiting this and here's our holes. Now you're getting your
team in January and you've got to figure out how
to make it work by August. And they know it's
such a solid job of that they're not bottoming out

(27:34):
like a lot of including their rival, one of their
biggest rivals, who's had a great thirty year run, has
completely bottomed out in this new era.

Speaker 6 (27:41):
Yeah, for sure, the floor has changed. As you're talking here,
I was thinking about this Guards, So I picked eight
and four to start this season. I think that's probably
where they're land. I don't know that it's been eight
and four of the way.

Speaker 4 (27:54):
If you think they will ask Western get off of
the pond hopper down.

Speaker 6 (27:58):
At Northwestern, Yeah, yeah, but I'm gonna say I must
say eight and four.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
I'll stick with it.

Speaker 6 (28:05):
I don't know how I thought they would get to
eight and four in terms of what it would look like.
I thought the defense would be better than this, or
more consistent than what we've seen.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
I gotta be honest.

Speaker 6 (28:15):
I thought the quarterback might have more struggles than he has.
Obviously Iowa was not good, but I thought there might
be more growing pains than we've seen from him. I
thought it'd be lean on Darius Taylor heavy, which, okay,
that happened. They haven't had him, and I don't even
know how much if they had him would that have been.

(28:37):
I didn't think it'd be mo heavy like we saw
with Ibraham, But.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
I just I don't know what I thought it would
look like.

Speaker 6 (28:45):
I thought eight and four, but I guess I I
thought the defense would be more consistent, even knowing the
question marks in the secondary at corner.

Speaker 5 (28:56):
I mean I thought so too.

Speaker 4 (28:57):
I mean they've been very banged up on the back
end to an extent too. Where you're seeing Daikwon Bryan
the starting corner in warm ups, goes down with the
lands funny on his shoulder.

Speaker 5 (29:09):
He's out for the entire game.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
John T.

Speaker 5 (29:11):
McMillan has been an absolute.

Speaker 4 (29:12):
Savior for them, who, by the way, had played primarily
safety his entire life.

Speaker 5 (29:18):
Until about a month ago. He did not practice an outside.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
Corner at any point.

Speaker 4 (29:23):
I mean you've been you saw Carry Brown. I thought
Carry Brown was about to be out for the entire season.
The way he blitzed came up lame. I'm thinking to myself,
oh boy, another soft tissue injury for this go for it,
just walking wounded, but he comes back to make a layout.

Speaker 5 (29:39):
It's just it's such a defense.

Speaker 4 (29:41):
And I think Saturday just put it in great perspective
of great twelve tackles for loss in seven sacks. If
I would have just told you that and Chip didn't
even watch the game, he'd be thinking, great, they allowed
ten points and three four turnovers. Nope, gave up five
hundred yards no takeaway. It's like, how does that even happen?

(30:02):
And I will get It's my favorite thing to continue
to tell guardsy.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
Yeah, I was thinking of you, Saturday, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (30:09):
To have this many sacks and to not have a
single single fumble recovery on three sacks this year, it's
either horrific luck or it's just I don't know what
to tell you. Because I asked some people that are
smarter than me at football, and I said, what percentage
of sacks result in a fumble fumble recovery? And I

(30:30):
heard a couple of different answers from people, and I
think the answer we can settle on from them is
somewhere around twenty percent.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
I will say fifteen.

Speaker 6 (30:39):
Now in modern football where every guy comes in punches,
you know, the peanut till and punch out, I mean
necessarily the staple of football now, like, yeah, I would,
I would have guess fifteen.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
I was in my head fifteen.

Speaker 6 (30:50):
I was thinking that, yeah, it's staggering that you haven't
caused a fumble off that.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
I was singing to you, though I was singing to
you because they did cause a fumble and right back
and there were three Gophers right there. It kind of
reminded me of the Koy Parrish would be picked six
at Cal, which I think I picked nine and three
because I had him beating Cal. That that col game
didn't help me, and they played poorly that night too.

Speaker 4 (31:14):
Right, How was that maroon madness that you were drinking
prior to that episode for a nine to three prediction?

Speaker 1 (31:20):
Well, if they finished eight and four, wasn't that far off?
What are you Brett Blakemore Blakemore saying I was way off?
That's what That's what he says to you.

Speaker 5 (31:27):
You know me, mister negative. That's all I ever am.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
But that now, because I think the games, we picked
the games relatively correctly. It's how it's happened that has
been screwy. That's what's funny is we can go back
and go yeah, just like you said, Burnsy, everybody picked
Michigan's Gophers Michigan State twenty three, twenty or like some
variation of that, but nobody had it. They're gonna go

(31:51):
up ten, looks like the game's over to looks like
they're gonna lose to Uh, we're gonna pick up a
penalty after we've already called it and placed the ball,
which I've never seen.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
I want to talk about that after the break.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
But the strip Sack's you know, Coy Parritch has a
pick six if the ball doesn't get deflected right at
at cow like that's a game, Like it's done.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
It's it's he's locked in the fumble.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
It's like right there, and it bounces right to the
guy and there's three Gophers just standing there. I'm like, Burns,
he would have left out of the press buck. Daniel
House would affected me and said we've lost. Yeah, Daniel
House would have said, I need to get another bow
tie because we have Burns's funeral and how how crazy
is that he was conceived on Halloween and now he's
died on Halloween?

Speaker 3 (32:33):
Like that, That was That's what I was thinking.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
So left if you're on YouTube, if you're on YouTube, Burns,
he's left.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
Okay, he's back.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
But I was thinking of you big time, because yes,
it's crazy that they don't have as many turnovers as
they probably should, and especially with the pressure that they get,
you would think that like a quarterback would airmail it
and Koy Parritch would just be there right like we
saw him do a year ago.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
A UCLA is a good example. But that was I was.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
I was really feeling for you at that point because
they got home and any one of three Gophers could
have scooped that up and taken it for a touchdown
and then everything looks different right than what we saw.
But as Kirk Ference once famously said, that's football. That's football.
It's not a round ball, Burnsy, it's not a round ball.

Speaker 3 (33:19):
No, it isn't. No.

Speaker 4 (33:21):
They just continue to find ways to win. But it's
in And I wrote about this, and I said this exactly.
It's putting lipstick on a pig. I wish they had
the pig in Minneapolis instead of Iowa City. But the
way they continue to win games is far from pretty.
Aesthetics matter, I get it, but they just everybody thought

(33:42):
twenty three to twenty, but the journey, yeah, boy, I
needed the blood pressure medication just like you guys did.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
All right, let's pause here quickly because I want to
talk about kind of how the game finished as well,
but let's talk about our great partners at Jack's Cafe.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
Make your reservations.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
You've seen it on the YouTube channel Jackson Cafe dot com,
Jaxcafe dot com. Who sent me the really was that
a Spotify comment? Burnssey that, yeah, I should probably pull
that up. I probably should have been prepared, right, because, yeah,
you go, because so many people have been going recently
and somebody took their dad. They mentioned on via email

(34:18):
last week that they wanted to take him for the
first time.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
We love that.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
I know Bill loves that, and you all should love
that because it's a perfect you want to talk about
a good college football Saturday. If you're not going to
hang out on campus all day, go to the game
and before or after go to Jackson just hang out
watch games at Jacks.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
It's just a It's a beautiful place.

Speaker 4 (34:36):
So there was a wedding during the Gopa Michigan State
game and one of our listeners was at it and
guess where it was. It was at Jack's Cafe, because
that is an outstanding place to hold many different types
of events, weddings included. And so this listener met Bill,
met the owner, and they were watching on TV.

Speaker 5 (34:54):
But when they had to pull away.

Speaker 4 (34:56):
This is how dedicated the Jack's Cafe staff is to
using their patrons.

Speaker 5 (35:02):
The wait staff was sending in.

Speaker 4 (35:04):
Score updates while they were delivering their drinks to let
them know how it was joking in the Gopher Michigan
State game.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
Love it.

Speaker 4 (35:13):
What Bill and Jack's Cafe continue to do is go
above and beyond for us, for our listeners, and we
appreciate all of you supporting those who support us. Again
the Spotify comments or b Harris best go for restaurant
ever And.

Speaker 5 (35:25):
Oh, by the way, the stake was so good, Thanks Bill.

Speaker 4 (35:28):
So I don't know if you're at a restaurant and
the wait staff knows that you're a Gopher Rube and
they're sending in score updates so you can be president
at the wedding.

Speaker 5 (35:39):
Look at that chipper.

Speaker 6 (35:40):
Where else are you getting that? Where the wait staff
is going to bring you updates on the score?

Speaker 3 (35:45):
Right?

Speaker 6 (35:45):
And of course they had a good time and appreciate
Bill taking care of them.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
My wife the other day said, you wanna go to
Jackson Friday? Yes? Like, of course? Where else?

Speaker 3 (35:55):
Yeah, of course that's right.

Speaker 6 (35:57):
So yes, we're playing a trip there. And speaking of
list we had a Friday night. We weren't at jacks
but we were a different restaurant in Saint Paul. My
sister and her husband after they've flown in before her
Thursday night before he went down to Iowa City. And
a guy sitting next to me got up and said
he's a fan of the podcast. So I wish I
could remember his name or got his name. So, but

(36:17):
we appreciate when people. We love all our listeners and
we appreciate when people give a shout outs, and particularly
when they say, hey, we're going to Jackson. I love
it when they say we're going for the first time
like that for sure, because you know you know what's coming, right,
you know they're gonna have a hell of a good time,
get a great meal, great service, and we're gonna leave there.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
Like those dudes are right. They were spot off with
all they've been saying.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
It's gonna be everything that we've told you it's going
to be. There is what do we just talked about
with Gopher football? The inconsistency, Right, you don't know what
you're gonna get. You show up and you go, what
are we gonna do? This is gonna be a magic
carpet ride today.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
We have no idea.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Jack's you know exactly what you're gonna get every single time,
and it's going to be outstanding, right from the back
in to the matchbooks, to the service, to the food,
to the vibe, consistency to the part all we're looking for, right, Burnsy,
if there was a Jackscafe Illustrated dot com, it'd be
the most boring message board ever because there'd be no arguing.

(37:14):
The only thing you'd argue about is what food? What
your dinner is better? Do you get the scallops like chipper,
Do you get the steak like you? What do you
get for it? That'd be the only thing on the
message board. You'd have a terrible time moderating it because
there's nothing to argue about, right, It's just the standard
is the standard, and that's why Jack's is the best
and we appreciate them. Make your reservation at jackscafe dot com.

(37:37):
So here's how I framed it, guys, when the Gophers
got that game into overtime, I said, well, after that
tense thirty minutes, you should feel just great now that
you somehow got that into ot Just relax, go play,
just go make some plays.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
And they, obviously do. They end up winning the game.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
We can talk about Drake Lindsay in a minute, but
let's start with the Michigan State possession first.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
I know, Chip, you got to go and we got
a lot more to talk about.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
But the penalty that gets called on the field, first
of all, in no way is that a pass interference. Ever,
it might be a hold depending on the towel grab
and all that. I can live with that if you
call that, But to have that called live when when
everyone saw the flag, We're like, what were they watching?
Then to announce the penalty, mark the penalty coincidentally, perhaps

(38:23):
not coincidentally, all of a sudden, the replay gets shown
on the jumbo tron. Everybody goes nuts, and then change
the penalty, pick up the flag and say no pass interference.
I've never seen it before. If I was a Michigan
State fan, I'd be pissed and I but it happened.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
I've never seen it.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
What do we think I should have been holding? I mean, uh,
you can see.

Speaker 6 (38:43):
You could clearly see as I'm watching on TV and
showing a replay there, I mean, tol Jersey, whatever it was,
it came out.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
I mean you saw him grab there. I would have
loved to been like in the huddle, like what are
they saying?

Speaker 3 (38:57):
Right?

Speaker 2 (38:59):
If I'm the you know, then why did you throw
the flag?

Speaker 6 (39:02):
If we can't pick up a flag after you've thrown
it and say never mind, are bad?

Speaker 2 (39:08):
I mean you can't if I'm Michigan State. Yeah, I've
never seen it.

Speaker 6 (39:16):
I'm sure the Michigan State coaching staff and administration, UH
voice the displeasure with the with the conference on Sunday.
I just I just think he can't do it. If
if he wasn't past interference, I think it was holding.
But if you throw the flag, you gotta just I
just don't know what they would have huddled and said,

(39:36):
did you really see that?

Speaker 2 (39:38):
You know, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (39:39):
Unless the rub is to your point.

Speaker 4 (39:41):
I think the conversation between the referees was that was
not past interference what we called. If they would have
called holding, which it was a hold out of the break,
that's that's non negotiable. But he was not interfered with,
which is why it's then subjective. So because the refereeing
crew called the wrong penalty, which all right, Minnesota benefits

(40:04):
from by and then you saw on the flip side
when Minnesota got the ball, they took an end zone
shot to Lamechi and he is mauled, and as they
did the entire game. And I'm sure our listeners would
tell you if did you send them the podcast guardsy
because the amount of times they showed Joe Rossi on
the sidelines was nauseating.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
It's a storyline.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
It's a storyline, and their head coach is boring. He
doesn't he just kind of stands there, and Rossi is
anything but boring.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
Correst.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
We know the guy's a he's a hot stove, which
I love.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
You would expect.

Speaker 4 (40:39):
Though, Michigan State, including Joe Rossi, sees that flag called
and they are irate, and I'm.

Speaker 5 (40:43):
Thinking myself, did we watch that same play here?

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Like yeah, wow, emotional outburst after what happened.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
I mean, yeah, there was absolutely a penalty. I was
surprised they threw the flag though, just because of it
takes some Stones to do that to Michigan State after
you just picked them up, even if it's the right call,
which it was. Yeah, Rossi sprinted to the pylon faster
than Drake Lindsay did from about forty yards out.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
That was crazy Stones.

Speaker 4 (41:09):
But the offensive coordinator calling a naked boot. Yeah, that's
where Fleck and Drake talked about it. After the game.
They get the third and goal and Drake goes, I
don't know if I was supposed to hear it yet,
but on the headset, Harbo's talking to Fleck and he goes,
I want to call thirty four blasts but tell Drake
to keep it and Drake goes I heard that got
a little jolt energy, and then they.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
Get it in.

Speaker 5 (41:29):
And the ironic part is that was a play.

Speaker 4 (41:32):
If you go back and watch, the right side of
the offensive line gets their best push of the day.
So if they just give it, but instead Drake Lindsay
has a stiff arms a man into the ground. And then,
as I wrote to all I could hear in my
head was Chris Berman at a halftime of whatever it
used to be INtime, rumbling, bumbling and stumbling, because that

(41:55):
it was anything.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Yeah, I don't know, they got in.

Speaker 4 (42:01):
Uh well that's where they also benefit like that close, yeah,
being not tight enough to overturn.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
So it's and then it's fourth and inches. It's fourth
in inches, right, that would have interesting, Yeah, you have
to Yeah, but that's the same ends that's the same
en zone where Brozmer did it. But it's the same
end zone where Mitch Leidner did not in twenty fifteen
against Michigan.

Speaker 4 (42:22):
Who could forget the three shifts in emotion while the
entire Gopher have no idea the clock's running.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
Oh that's the whole podcast. So here's the uh they did.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
So the Gophers absolutely benefited from the officials in overtime.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
I think that's very fair to say.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
But like you said, Burnsy and I wrote it out,
this is my lifetime card here plays against Minnesota and
plays for So this is what I always I always
joked with Barrero and he's like, well, if you got
the call, like we never remember the ones.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
That we got.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
I go, you're right because they don't happen very often.
And we're in a we're in a hole. We're in
a lifetime hole of you know, fifty calls against us.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
But they found a way to get it done.

Speaker 6 (42:59):
We love and know, Like, what was the explanation they
gave to Michigan State, Because I mean, it's clearly a hold.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
I mean.

Speaker 4 (43:05):
That he was not interfered with and they had to
pick it up. And I don't think anyone's disagreeing it
was in flight, but they called the wrong flag and that.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
But would you say that, hey, we call the wrong penalties,
that we're picking it up. I mean, I don't know,
you know, I want to think.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
Jonathan Smith said after the game.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
His explanation was the official who had the strongest opinion
was late to the meeting.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
It was what he said, it's actually outstanding.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
I'm pretty I'm pretty sure that's what I saw from
the Bernsey of Michigan State that the official said the
person who had the clearest viewer or whatever was late
and apparently didn't want to interrupt her boss while he
was announcing to the crowd what the penalty was and
moving the ball. So anyway, all right, so to bye
week for the gofers. We've probably spent too much time

(43:50):
on them in general, forty five minutes here because we
got about fifteen minutes to talk about the rest of
what's going on. Can we talk about Iowa and Oregon
about this one? You talk about what I mean, the
stakes are high. Iowa twentieth in the CFP, Oregon opened
up at six. This is I mean, it goes without saying.

(44:11):
It's the game of the weekend in the Big ten, right,
the game you know, and it's November. This is what
it should be, right, And I'm I'm fascinated to see
how this one plays out.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
What do you guys think?

Speaker 6 (44:20):
Yeah, I think you know, after what they did against Minnesota,
people start talking about, hey, maybe this is you know,
should people should I would be in the in the
playoff discussion a.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
Little early for that, it won't be too early.

Speaker 6 (44:34):
If they win Saturday, like I think they win Saturday,
then all of a sudden, now you're thinking, Okay, this team,
uh is gonna be in that conversation for a bid.
So I'm it's such contrasting styles. I'm just I know
we'll go with Burns. These two time zones theory. I

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you know, IWA is a a lot better than I
thought they were. Defensively, they're really good.

Speaker 4 (45:06):
They're just I mean, if they play the way they
played the Gophers, which was incredibly physical, they're absolutely gonna
have every shot to win this game, right.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
Like they did against Indiana.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Oregon's super fast though.

Speaker 4 (45:19):
Yes, well it's look at this game and say, I
don't know that Oregon since they have joined the Big Ten,
has played in a game where the over under is
forty points right, and Oregon is a six point favorite
on the road here. But Vegas is only saying this
thing is going to be something like twenty three to seventeen,

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which is for an Oregon game, incredibly low scoring.

Speaker 6 (45:43):
Well that with that points spread, that's the that's the
game that iowall once, but I I I'm going to
go with Oregon in a close one.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
I don't think it's I think it's uh maybe a three.

Speaker 6 (45:54):
To six point win. But I'm gonna go with Oregon.
I think their speed. I'll I'll go with him.

Speaker 4 (46:03):
I'm gonna take the flip side. I just think Iowa
is a team. Well, first of all, Iowa should have
been ranked in the A. People say they should be
ranked for sure. Compare the reverse Nebraska.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
Yeah, because because of the last which is funny, because
all Iowa's done has won for like the last well
twenty but certainly ten years, right, but because their offense
has historically been bad and it's not bad this year,
there's a bias against them, where even though Nebraska has
sucked for thirty years, there's a bias for them.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
Like does that make sense? Like no one Iowa.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
No one wants to rank Iowa even though all they've
done is winning like nine or ten games since twenty fifteen.
Everyone wants to rank Nebraska. So like you're one hundred
percent right, they should be ranked one hundred percent correct.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
They should.

Speaker 4 (46:49):
Funny part as you look at just even if I
told you the points four points against.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
Okay, how close in scoring?

Speaker 4 (46:56):
Both Oregon and Iowa have played five conference games? How
close scoring for points? Four do you think Iowa and
Organ are?

Speaker 3 (47:03):
They must be pretty close? Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna say
they're within ten points.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
I'll say eight five.

Speaker 4 (47:12):
They're within five points of each other. Like, you don't
think about Iowa as this high scoring team. You think
about Oregon that way. But the way that Iowa's been
running the football and Gronowski makes look, I think Mark
Gronowski is Mitch Lener and there's nothing wrong with that.
I see Aleidner Island in the background there from our
years ago guards. No one loves the Polaris family like

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we do. So again, I think Iowa gets this done, Chipper.
I just think the way that they play in Kinnick,
the two time zones, and if they bring the physicality,
you're gonna see some stupid, insane bounce go the way
that it always does in the fourth quarter in the
dark at Iowa. It's just I've seen this gameplay out.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Well, is that a six thirty kick?

Speaker 3 (47:58):
No, it's two thirty CBS, so it'll.

Speaker 5 (48:00):
Be dark by the fourth quarter.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
Thing.

Speaker 5 (48:02):
Yeah, daylight savings.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
I think I think to me, it all depends on
how does the game start, how does it play out,
because if Iowa, if Iowa can establish, if Oregon can
come in there and take a lead, you know, start
well have a good script basically the exact opposite of
what Minnesota did. Because the longer it goes the Iowa way,

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the more comfortable. I mean, I've seen it for thirty years.
Farens is just standing there chewing his gum. He's got
a note card and he's like, yep, we're good, like
saying good job to guys, you know, another three and
out here's it like, it's just they it's such a
machine of how they operate and how they want to play.
And the longer it goes, the crazier the crowd gets

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because they're used to it too, right. They know they
know exactly how their team wants to.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
Play, and Oregon is going to be over there now.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
One thing, Dan Lanny's done a really good job of
I watch all their like cinematic recaps. You know, they
do a great job. And as you guys know, it's
such a stud I think he is. I just love
how I'm gonna be really curious what if they win
if we get to see because he's always got these themes.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
He's like PJ. You know, he's got these like but
jump around.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
He had a whole big theme about it all week,
and you know they it was awesome.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
We probably talked about it.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
But the longer it goes the Iowa style, the more
you just favor Iowa. And if you're asking, like if
Mark Ronowski has the ball in the second half and
has something to say about the outcome, I think the
dude's gonna get it done. I just think that's his
aura right now, is he's gonna find a way to

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run it in, throw it whatever. He's gonna find a way.
So if Oregon can start well, get the game played
on their terms, they can win it. But the longer
it goes the way the cornfields, the more I like
the hawtkeys.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
Why are you laughing, burns Y.

Speaker 4 (49:49):
I'm just how many times a day in your household
right now does the word aura get tossed around by
the children.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
Thankfully, we're not quite there yet, We're.

Speaker 5 (49:57):
Are we learning this from the Vikings fans with jj
MC the's aura.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
Did you hear Adam Thielen on our radio show say
it's just his aura, he goes, I don't even know
how he just I think it's just Aura. No, we're
still in we're still in the six seven phase at
our house, boy, we're still in the six seven and
sus and cap phase. We haven't made it to our yet.
We're not Aura farming here at the Guardsy household, We're
not farming. So anyway, I'm excited about this game November

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we got. But here's the thing. The the the other
thing that's sweet is this game has massive playoff implications
for both teams. Right, Like, whether you think i was
a playoff team or not, as of now, they have
an opportunity. If they handle the business, their opportunity in
front of them, they will be a playoff team if
they beat Oregon, if they beat USC, Nebraska now doesn't

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have a QB.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
Right, So.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
This is why it's cool. This is why we're years ago,
this was for bowl placement, right Yeah, Is Iowa going
to go to Tampa? Are they going to go to Nashville?

Speaker 3 (50:56):
Now? Now it's a legit.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
If Iowa wins this, as you said, a chip, they
are firmly in the college football playoff conversation and they
should be that's why I think the expansion is cool.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
I agree. I mean it's made more games and more college.

Speaker 6 (51:14):
Towns relevant in November that you're having these kinds of conversations, right,
because it's like previously it'd be like, all right, is
this for the Yeah, you're right out back buller and
this has taking place at you know, Virginia.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
I was texting our friend Kevin Siefert last night. Virginia
was in the first right.

Speaker 6 (51:32):
In the initial rankings came out. Virginia any college football playoffs?

Speaker 3 (51:36):
Yeah, what a world. I love it. And they're in
a great spot. They're fourteen.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
Yeah, yeah, all right, we got like three minutes left.
First college football playoff rankings came out. Any shockers, any surprisers.
I'll be honest, I don't care at all about the
college football playoff rankings on November fourth. I do think
it's funny though, that it appears that the committee and
Nicole auerbach us this and speaking of words that the

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kids use, Burnssey, she said, it doesn't seem like they're
going off data. They're going off vibes because Ohio State
is ranked one, and they said, well, yeah, we were.
We looked at the data but we just think their
offensive line is good.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
See that's my problem with this.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Yeah, I'm sorry, is Joe Moore on the committee? Yeah, like, what.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
Are we doing?

Speaker 1 (52:20):
You can't say that. Don't start throwing We don't care
about your vibes. So that's the only quipple I have
with that. Ohio state, you can make a legit argument
should be number one. Same with Indiana. You could go
down the lit I mean any of the top three, right,
I could. You could say Texas, A and M, same deal.
But don't tell us it's because you broke down the
all twenty two of the offensive line and really liked

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what you saw from former Gopher Philip Daniels.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
Like, come on, well, what you can't say that you can't.

Speaker 4 (52:46):
Sell the like the rankings itself, it doesn't matter on
November fourth what the committee then said afterwards about no thoughts,
just vibes, Like I that's it set such a horrible
precedent for what's to come, because I can only imagine
what it's going to look like going into that Thanksgiving
slate where if you're a team ten through fifteen, you're

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thinking yourself, Okay, well, if I win this game, I'm
in right, now we'll see what the vibes are from
that game, right, we'll see what the energy that the
medium was like, Like, what this it's a horrible precedent
to set ship to me.

Speaker 6 (53:18):
This roll out, you know, it's weekly roll out the
way they did it we saw last year. It gives
us a lot to talk about and speculate and argue about.
But they can paint themselves into a corner by doing
this because we get to the end and then they flip,
you know, on a team.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
It's I don't know that it I don't know what
good this does other than it creates conversation.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
That's what it is. That's what it's for. It's to
create interest for the final three four weeks of the season.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
Yeah, because it doesn't.

Speaker 6 (53:48):
It's going to change, you know, a lot between now
and then. I would think, but if yeah, it's it's
if we're going off vibes.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
Vibes, that's what this podcast vibes and Aura. Yeah, somebody
podcast to five You think Vibes and Aura on the
parent of spare podcast network.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
So yeah, Ohio State, Indiana? What else did I say?

Speaker 1 (54:15):
Texas, A and m Alabama, who, by the way, old
enough to remember when I'm old enough to remember when
the woman wanted to win Powerball so she could buy
out Klein debor like that happened this football season. Yeah,
he's playing great for sure. We should probably start talking
Heisman next week because we've got to buy to talk
about Georgia, Ole, miss b Yu, Texas Tech, Oregon, Notre Dame,

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Notre Dame obviously highly valued at ten, not totally surprising,
and then Texas and Oklahoma those are your top twelve, Utah,
they're in the thirteen spots. So but it's some interesting names, right,
I mean, it does show you there's there's gonna be
more accessibility in twenty twenty five. If you can get
it together with your transfer portal stuff, with your NIL stuff,

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with your cultural sustainability stuff, you'll be in you can
find yourself in an advantageous spot.

Speaker 3 (55:01):
So it'll be fascinating to watch boys.

Speaker 4 (55:04):
My parting shot or my parting question for both of
you before we get out of here, is guards he
mentioned it. Dylan Riola out for the rest of the season,
And I'm going to read you Nebraska's final three games
on the schedule here, and I want you to say,
how many of these you think Nebraska will win. They're
on the road this weekend in the Rose Bowl against
u C.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
L A.

Speaker 4 (55:25):
Then they are on the road against a Penn State
team that I believe, as far as I remember, hasn't
won a Big Ten game, and then they're home against Iowa.
So without Riola, how many of those games are the
Nebraska Huskers winning?

Speaker 2 (55:38):
Oh, who's the.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
Well, who's their quarterback?

Speaker 2 (55:44):
That's what as we say. As the quarterback played, ever, I'm.

Speaker 5 (55:48):
Trying to remember his name, it's TJ something.

Speaker 6 (55:52):
I'm gonna say they win one, and whether it's I
will say you this weekend, I'll just say they beat
UCLA losing chance.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
Is this I think their best chances this weekend? Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
At Penn State, I think is still gonna be hard.
Penn State's got to win a game at some point.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Exactly. I must say one and two. They finished one
and two.

Speaker 5 (56:09):
I'm gonna say they don't win any of these, and
then they finished.

Speaker 4 (56:12):
Six and six. But it's they looked. We'll see what
it looks like. But that quarterback is a lot different.
It's like anybody backup would be.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
But good, I'll just.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Trying to run the ball with Johnson A lot and
we're gonna.

Speaker 4 (56:25):
Run Emma Johnson into the ground. He's gonna get the
mo Ibraham treat.

Speaker 5 (56:28):
Yeah treatment there.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
But I did just see the much too early twenty
twenty six rankings in their rank twelve in the top
twenty five, so not all is lost. Uh, Chipper, you
gotta fly. We'll let you get out of here. Thanks
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