2025 Week Three Review: Gophers Fall at Cal, Koi, Ferentz, Big 10 Weekend

Chip Scoggins, Ryan Burns and Justin Gaard have gotten some sleep after the late night loss at Cal and review all the things that went wrong in the first Gopher setback of the season. Koi Perich had his worst performance as a Gopher (and maybe ever), the guys talk about how surprising that was before getting into the choppiness of the game in general. They also ode Kirk Ferentz who became the all-time winning coach in Big Ten history, how Wisconsin looks through 3 games and preview a sneaky big weekend in the Big Ten!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Glenn Mason said a long time ago at the University
of Minnesota, you need a Pair and a Spare. Thank you, PJ.
It is time for another edition of the Pair and
a Spare podcast. I'm justin guard from the fan. We've
got Chipskoggins from the Minnesota Star Tribune, Ryan Burns from
Gopher Illustrated dot com. We were presented as always by
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Jackscafe dot com Jaxcafe dot com. Are we all recovered

(00:25):
from a late night in Berkeley, California or a late
night in Woodbury, Minnesota for Gopher's cal How are the
sleep schedules? Boys? Chippers? Start with you? Did you make
it through the whole game?

Speaker 2 (00:36):
I did? I made through the whole game. I had
three late nights in a row, and I'm I slept
last night for like seventeen hours. I feel like I
did my Friday night. I had a football across Minnesota.
I visited a wonderful Wadena, Minnesota. Have you ever been
to Wadena? Great little town?

Speaker 1 (00:55):
I have. It's up by Park Rapis, which is where
my grandparents' cabin was driven through Wadena quite a bit.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yeah, So I spent Friday night there at their football
game for a football cross Manso's is going to land
on the startribute here on Tuesday sometime and then go
for game Saturday night and then the Vikings game Sunday night.
So I'm not used to stay up till one and
one in the morning three nights in a row. I'm
not young anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
So did you stay in Watdena or did you drive? No?

Speaker 2 (01:24):
I drove back. I drove a game and then drove back.
I got back about I don't know, twelve thirty. Probably.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
I was really hoping you were at the Park Rapids
American or something, or the super A right there. On
thirty four.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
I decided to come on back.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
All right, Burnsy, did you stay up all night? Your
idea that I'm just going to power right through the
deadlines for go for illustrade dot Com and hop on
a six am flight back home.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
Well, I thought to myself, WWJD, what would Justin do? Yeah,
And the feedback I overwhelmingly got was stay up. So
you and I recorded something about one thirty in the
morning local time.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
We'll talk about that.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
And then I stayed up the entire time working through
the night with the six am flight out of San
Francisco home, and then once I did get home, I
couldn't fall asleep because by that point you're just so awake.
I mean, I slept like the dead Sunday night. I'll
be the first one to tell you, but that was

(02:27):
that was a night. I hate night games because whether
it's at home, it's like, especially if it's a home game,
you don't get home till one two in the morning,
and then you just lay there because.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
You're so wired, and you're wired yeah, and then you
know you.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
Have to get up in a few hours.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Anyway, I used to always tell people that when I
covered you know, whether the wild will whatever, when you
cover them, that you can't go to sleep, like you know,
you want to go to bed at four in the morning.
And people like, ah, you know, just don't come come home,
go to bed. I'm like, think, if you're if you
had a nine to five and the most stressful, you know,
while adrenaline rush that you had was at four o'clock PM,

(03:06):
would you come home and get in bed at six?
Like it's impossible, Like you're you know, you're so amped
up from that deadline rush. And right you know all
that that, it's like, yeah, come on, we have a
couple of beers watch TV and the next thing you know,
it's like, oh my god, it's four o'clock and you
go to bed.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Right, well, you'll both be happy that we got the
announcement on Monday that Gophers Rutgers is eleven am. The
next time that the Gophers take the field, it will
be eleven am. Speaking of feedback, we'll get to the
feedback for our Gopher football Sunday broadcast, Burnsey, maybe a
little bit later in the pod. I'll just say, uh,
I'll just say it takes what it takes, and you

(03:41):
do what you can and you're welcome, is what I'll
say to everybody that was listening, because it was a
pain in the ass. But we will get to that
in a little bit. Let's not delay at all. Let's
talk about the game, the Gophers col game which started slowly,
got kind of better, then didn't at all and an
absolute meltdown. Burnsy. What was the headline or what are

(04:03):
the headlines from the Gophers disappointing perhaps damaging loss to
Cal on Saturday?

Speaker 3 (04:10):
What are you my message board with everything going on
that this is a damaging loss. I think just the
way that the team imploded after that Jamison Gears touchdown
was disheartening offensively, defensively, certainly on special teams. It was
the worst game of Koy Parritch's life, of which we'll
find out how he recovers during the bye week. And

(04:35):
it's just one of those games where Minnesota didn't play
well and you're thinking yourself, they take the late lead
seventeen to what was it, fourteen to ten, and they
should be able to get the ball back with eight
minutes left, then down a touchdown and Koy makes the
decision to try and feel the punt. What you shouldn't

(04:57):
have done, Chip, And yeah, I think that's where the
discussion leads off. It's not just Koy, like like I
just said, it's offense, it's defense, it's special team. It's
flex decision to run the ball again on a third
and seven. But Koy Perrich, I feel for him, But
National Spotlight ESPN, there's nowhere to hide, Chip.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah, No, I mean Koy is obviously going to get
the most attention, but across the board, I just I
thought it was poorly played and poorly coached. I mean
there's no other way to say it. I mean that
that is not a It's probably a better count team
than I thought. Defensively either good. I thought their front
seven was good. I wasn't crazy about their back yen,
but I thought their front seven good. Defensive league quarterbacks
obviously talented, but that's a game. If you play a

(05:42):
crisp game, it doesn't have to be you know, you're
never gonna play perfect, but can you can win that game?
I just thought they played poorly, you know. I thought
defensively they didn't get in up. They waited too long
to try to get pressure on that kid, let him
get into the rythm. I thought tackling. Wasn't there too
many breakdowns? We could talk about the third and seven.
I did not like that at all. It was old fleck.

(06:06):
I mean to you know, as I tweeted, trust the quarterback.
Trust the quarterback. You learned last year to trust the quarterback.
Don't play for field goals. He'll come back to bite you,
and so. But I thought, I just thought it was
pretty a poor performance by them.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
Do you want to guess because I looked into this
and I know that I saw that the talk during
the game and I wrote about it afterwards, and I
agree that Minnesota didn't get enough pressure on what I
think might be the best quarterback they see all year.
And that's of no slight to whatever they see at
Oregon or Ohio State. That kid was really good. Do
you want to guess what percentage of the time, according
to Pro Football Focus, they blitzed song of Polo Telly?

(06:45):
He had forty two dropbacks in this game. What percentage
did Danny Collins send a blitz.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
A third? Maybe?

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Would you say forty two dropbacks?

Speaker 3 (06:56):
He had forty two dropbacks fifteen? Minnesota blitzed forty three
percent of the time, which it didn't feel like that
circle and you argue they should have blitzed more, knowing
that what his splits were under pressure versus when he
was kept clean. And the thing that Danny Collins, it

(07:18):
felt like Minnesota's defensive quarter made the decision of is
he wasn't going to He wanted to see if songopol
Tele could dink and dunk his way down the field,
which I'd argue he certainly did.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yeah, And I also think that Minnesota's back end may
not be as good as what we think they are
considering that Danny Collins is the safety's coach. He knows
the DBS very well, and it felt like he didn't
believe that they could cover cal which is a problem
one on one on an island. He didn't think they
could do it. Where you see the long fifty one

(07:52):
yard completion where they do bring pressure but the defensive
back doesn't know where he's where the ball is, or
even that drive before halftime. The play that is going
to bug the absolute beajibis out of me is third
and thirteen and they convert. Why because Minnesota drops eight
in the coverage, which is fine on a third and thirteen. Yeah,

(08:13):
but you have two guys obliterate one another when Emmanuel
Carmo just takes out a defensive back because he doesn't
somehow see him in front of his face, which then
the guy breaks wide open. If you just get off
the field there, that's three points off the board. I
just there were too many times defensively, or even the
first touchdown, Koy Parritch has his eyes in the backfield

(08:33):
for a reason. I have, unbeknounst to me another touchdown
where two guys have the guy at the third down
in marker neither of them get him down. He piroetes out,
a third guy misses a tackle. I didn't hate the
defensive game plan they did. Like we said, we they
blitzed forty three percent of the time. Shouldn't have been more, probably,

(08:54):
but I think there's more issues on the back end
than what we were anticipating. As one of my takeaways
from this game, other than two, if your name's not
Anthony Smith up front, you're not getting anything resembling pressure.
That was incredibly disheartening.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Well that's where I mean was surprising because it felt
like it was either three or four most of the
time in that and that kid got into a rhythm.
So I guess that, iye, test will fool you sometimes,
but you're right, even if he's doing three or four,
I think Danny's counting on that front group to get pressure.
And other than Anthony, it wasn't happening. And you got
to give credit to cal there, But would you say

(09:31):
that Burns. We talked about the corners. We knew that
was going to be a big question mark. Are you
you're lumping the safeties in there too that you don't
think maybe that group is performing away. We thought they were.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
It also doesn't help that I listened to a young
sideline reporter during the game for KF and I'm unsure
of his name, but he told us that Carry Brown
was dealing with a back issue, and Carry Brown had
a game of which he wants back. Koy Perrich didn't
play well well if you just I don't know that
there's a player you can point to defensively that played well.

(10:06):
I also think that Brian Harson former Mark Coyle higher
at Boise State and then infamously flamed out at Auburn
now in his first chance back here with Cal his
change up in the second half to go from throwing
the ball twenty five times and running it three times
to then establishing a running game on that drive after

(10:27):
the Jamison Gears touchdown was a great change up, and
I didn't think Collins and the defense adjusted to it
quick enough. But I don't know, like I said, that
you can point to a player defensively in that game
on Friday that played well. I don't think all of
them necessarily played poorly, but the fact that I can't,
off the top of my head think of one that

(10:49):
it's that guy for a majority of the time, was
really good. Is kind of worrisome to me, is what
I'll say.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
Yeah, he was interesting because that first half they just
completely abandoned the run cow. I mean, try this. We're
gonna let this kid throw it a hundred times, you know. Yeah,
it was interesting that they did revert there. But yeah,
you're right. I mean you watch that game, it's like
there was nobody making the kind of play that turned

(11:18):
the tide.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
That's what the other issue would keep and that wrote
about it was in their last five games against FBS competition.
So it's a sample size that goes back to last year.
We're talking. I think it's Wisconsin, Penn State, Virginia Tech, Buffalo,
and now Cal. Do you want to guess how many
defensive takeaways they have.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
Forced five games?

Speaker 3 (11:41):
Yep, and be clear, interception humble recoveries, not turnovers on downs.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
I'm gonna go to won a game five.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
They have one defensive takeaway in the last five FBS games.
That's such a tough place to live when you have
offense philosophically the way that PJ. Fleck wants. And they
didn't have a defensive takeaway again in flex seventy eight
percent number, and we can chastise him and we can
get into the different things like that. But the defensive

(12:16):
takeaways have dried up. And that's not just a Danny
Collins problem. That went back to the end of the
Corey Heatherman regime. The only takeaway in that time is
the Zekwon Bryant interception against Virginia Tech.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Bergie Western Bowl Game. What was the record that in
that stretched you.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
It's three and two, which is remarkable.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
In the bowl game I don't care about honestly. I
mean that's I know it's an FBS, but that's but that.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
Coach just got fired the bowl game, coach, Brenton r. Yeah,
Virginia Tech coach just got fired.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
It would be curious to see like what they're what
their turnovers are in those five games, and kind of
what the disparity is. But yeah, you're right, they're just
not getting those and we saw those, you know, and
that's not just this team because of this offense. I
mean that's every team. I mean, you've got to create
turnovers in and I don't know if that's you know,

(13:06):
getting lack of pressure from their line, is.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
It it's a culmination.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
It's a lot of things. Obviously, it's not just one thing.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
But I wish it was just one thing that we
could point to. But I know it just is one thing,
and it's not just the defense.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
And I know.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
We've we'll talk about Didge and hold us here into
the defensive discussion. But that's the thing to me, is
when you have only one takeaway in the last five
games against FBS competition. I know, just last week against
Northwestern State they had four and a couple of defensive touchdowns,
but when the level of competition ramps up and they're
struggling to do anything, they haven't had a fumble recovery

(13:42):
since John Joyner sacked Luke Altmeier. That was in early
November of last year. I I it's one of the
things I'm trying to figure out here during the bye week,
or even if you're Danny Coms and this defensive staff
is they would point to. I'm sure we just had
some against Northwest from State.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Don't stop. That didn't that doesn't count. I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
That's my point with the sample size.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
So that's great against the inferior, but but when you're
going to against FPS, these are gonna be close games.
There's gonna be one score games. The he's gonna be
tight games and that's what's gonna swing it, you know.
I mean, that's what swung this game dramatically. I mean
it was a special teams in state, but it I
mean great that you can get you know, pickoff passes
against the FCS team, but you've got to be able
to and it's one of those things. Turners are always

(14:27):
a tricky thing because we watch every team practice. They
do the punch out drills, they do the different things.
I mean, uh, fleck into every practice with that punch
out drill. So it's not like teams don't probably talk
about it, emphasize it, work on it, and you know,
sometimes those things are a product of you know, different things.

(14:48):
I mean, obviously I think some lucky bounces going in there,
but they got to They've got to I think honestly,
it starts with getting pressure, affecting the quarterback, getting multiple
guys run to the ball, all those things, and they
just got to start, you know, be you know, trying
to create more than they you know, and what they're

(15:08):
getting because that in these in these conference games, that's
what swings it. That's absolutely what this determines. You know,
those you know one score games.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
Well.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
The question I want to pose to the two of
you is the Coy Parrits discussion of how do you
reset him? Yeah, he has Like like I had mentioned earlier,
I think the likely the worst game of his athletic
career happens to be on national television. But I didn't
think in the three games sample size that we have
so far, he was necessarily playing well, whether that was

(15:40):
on defense or or has a special couple of special
teams gaffs in this game. So my question to you,
and I guess i'll ask you justin is what do
you do with Koy Do you take more off of
his plate and take him off return, take him off
offense and have him start to focus on defense solely.
Do you think it's a blip on the in the

(16:01):
long term of this, or how do you address Koy
Parrits playing like we know Koy Parrits is capable of.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
Yeah, I would say it's a blip. I was also
going to say, what do you think is left on
his plate right now? Burnsey? That was going to be
my question for you, because you've talked about the plate forever.
I think a lot of food's on his plate right now.
I don't think he's been eating much. And yeah, just
let's talk about defense first. I felt like he should
have had an interception on one of the first two

(16:31):
col drives where he was just like a step late
a couple of times to be there. It's almost like
he's not seeing things clearly, or he's not maybe playing
as fast as he was a year ago.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
It's unfortunate you say that, you're right. But there's also
a play in the fourth quarter where Minnesota deflects a
pass es of which, if it's not deflected, that's seventy
five yards the other way exactly flips on its head.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
So then social media is on fire for Koy Parrits,
even though he hasn't really done anything all season, right,
that would be the headline. You're totally right. And then
the next punt was the one that he that he
tried to pick up. Honestly, I mean, you listen to
Fleck post game basically saying like, we have standards and
we have rules, and if you want to go off
and do your own thing, that's going to happen. I

(17:15):
thought it was pretty frontal, you know, quite frankly, But
he's not wrong. I mean to fair catch a punt
at the two. That just shows me you're not mentally
locked in like sorry, like we all love Cooy and
he's obviously an unbelievable talent and they need him to
play well, but to fair catch it at the two,
you're not paying attention to try to scoop it up.

(17:36):
You know. First of all, I don't know why they
moved him back from the fifteen to the ten. You know,
I'm standing right there as they're going through all of that,
and he's standing at the fifteen. They tell him to
go to the ten and if it goes over your head,
let it go.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
In this scenario, the punt return coach Matt Simon, Yes, okay.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
And so then you've then you're sitting there and where's
the punt land like to sixteen? Right. So again, so
I'm not saying he didn't get any help there, but
also what are you doing? Like you're not. So that's
what's frustrating, is like I don't think it's because I
know there's a thing of well, he's playing offense and
he's doing this and it's too much. I don't I

(18:13):
really don't think. So, I really don't think it's because
it's too much and he's burned out. I mean he's
barely playing on offense, right, I'm sure you have this snapcounts. Burnsy.
I just think you're at a point where you know
you're not an ESCO anymore. Like there is a different
level now, like as great as he was a year ago,
just going out there and making plays like, there are
details you got to pay attention to, and there are

(18:34):
you know, there are things within a scheme that you
kind of have to to roll with. And obviously the
return thing. I mean they took him off the return
for one, right, they put they put Logan Loya back there.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
Which was fascinating to see him get pulled only for
one punt to then put him back out there. Of yeah,
what was the point of that? That that one I
was scratching my head in the press box thinking what
did he learn being off one punt mid game to
then put him back out there?

Speaker 2 (19:04):
That was I will say this. I've been thinking about
this too. Confidence is a great thing until it interferes
with decision making, and to me, it feels like particularly
those ponds in the last one, it was I'm gonna
go make a play for my team, even if it's
the wrong thing to do. And you talk about looking

(19:24):
into the backfield, is he looking to try to jump
a route where he needs to be more disciplined in
what he's doing. And have we become so enamored with
splash plays and game change And it's a fine line.
Is it's like, let those things happen organically versus getting
outside you rules or the different things. And I do
wonder if he's drifting too far over into I gotta

(19:47):
make a play. I gotta pick this bouncing ball up.
I've gotta, you know, jump this route. I gotta see
what the quarterback's going and run over there and make
an interception. And I'm not fall on the keys or
what every I'm supposed to do it. I think there
might be a little bit of that going on.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
Yeah, and it happens, by the way. I mean, Tyler
Nuban did that. His entire senior sees yes in curiating yea,
the guy who has the most interceptions ever, who made
a million plays in his career, like he and same
thing everybody loves. Tyler is one of the all time greats.
He spent the whole year trying to do his own
thing that was surrounded by yes. And then I was

(20:24):
surrounded by ten engineering students from Northwestern on the field
in the middle of the night in Evanston because they
just given up a twenty one point engineer. Like you
can't even call it a field storming because there was
only like a dozen of them.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
Down here gathering.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Again, yeah, it was. It was a small guy. There
was like a vigil, a Northwestern vigil out there. It's
just a small group. So he's not the first great
player to get burned a little bit. And so but
now let's see how he you know, to use the PJ.
Fleck term, Let's see how he responds and how they
bring it back together. And because obviously he's an unbelievable
talent and a great player, and I would still bet

(20:57):
on him, you know, making the play ninety percent of
the time, just for whatever the reason, you know, And
you look at the first game, no one did anything
towards him. They didn't allow him to catch a punt,
right with anything to do they I doubt they threw
his way very often, you know, talking about Buffalo Burns's
guy Pete Lembo. They weren't gonna let Coy perrich ruin
that game. So there's that part of it too. But

(21:18):
I could even sense in that game he was getting antsy,
like I gotta do something here, like I'm used to
having a big impact when and PJ even talked about it.
I think on the TV show must have been the
TV show last week they put up a graphic and
I think this had a lot to do with Cooy
not having the numbers that he wanted to, or even
Anthony Smith that you know guys that have good freshman
seasons and he went through in the Big Ten. George

(21:40):
Carl Loftis was one of them, like that typically is
their best season numbers wise. How come because everybody else
knows about.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Shanel because you're the top of the game plan exactly
every week, you're the first guy. How's this guy not
gonna beat us exactly?

Speaker 1 (21:53):
So you can still have an impact on the game,
just not necessarily statistically. And I even joked with PJ.
Remember we talked about it on this podcast. They had
three people on George Carlo Yeah, I mean it was incredible.
It was just you know, you guys know, I don't
know schemes. I'm not Daniel House I'm not break. I
don't have a database behind me here. I have posters, right,

(22:14):
I don't have a database of a bunch of numbers
where I can tell you, you know, percentages and all that.
But I can tell when they're paying close attention to
one guy. And I'm not joking. I haven't seen it before.
I haven't seen it since they had three guys blocking
George carl Loftis like on fifty percent of the plays,
two of them. The whole time. Their thing was he's
not going to ruin the game. And the Gophers won

(22:35):
that game because George Carl Loftis didn't ruin it. He's
a great player. So I think there's there's that pull
right now too for koy Is that he's used to
having a huge impact, but other teams aren't just going
to say go ahead, you know, go ahead and ruin
this game for us.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Well that's I mean, how many fair catches did he
have to catch against Buffalo? And he's he's going to
have a bunch of fair catches.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
To be able to make a play there.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
And so guess what when he sees one bounce and
he's probably thinking, I'm gonna pick it up and run
with it because I haven't had many chance to do
something here. And it's like discretion, you know, I mean,
you gotta it's wonderful to have that confidence and have
that ability, but it has to be some discretion and
understand game sequence and what's the right thing. And so

(23:20):
let's be honest. He's still a young player, I mean,
you know, I mean, and I know there's been talking.
You know, let's not annoy him and all that, and
it did get a little carried away obviously probably, But
I think for him it's about figuring out how he
can make his impact if it's not splash plays that

(23:45):
he's used to making these game turning plays, and yes,
that's what he's in. That's his reputation. Man, he makes
these highlight plays. Well if if they're not there, you
don't have to force it trying to make them, you know.
Does that make sense?

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Yeah? Absolutely. And he's been close on a couple offs too.
I mean he's been a shoelace away yeah, from a
really good you know, So it's it's I'm sure, I'm
sure he's never had a stretch like this where he's
just gone three games and not made some crazy play
and certainly not cataclysmic plays, right. I doubt he's had
big plays that have completely cost a game. And that

(24:18):
was I mean, I'd have to go through and think
about it. Like the air came out so fast when
that play happened, right because the defense got the defense
got to stop. You're going to get the ball back
with you know, seven is ish minutes left something like that.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
Seventeen to fourteen cal offense gets the ball back with
eight minutes left.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
Yes, And I'm thinking too, like it'd be a good
time for a choir returning. By the way, if he
was at the fifteen, that was a returnable kick like
it was. It was not a great punt like there
wasn't great hang time, like he would have had room
to catch it and run. And so it's just but
the if the air could just come out of the
balloon any faster, I don't see. It was just and
everyone's just standing there and Pj's looking around and everybody's like, oh,

(25:00):
like I can't believe that happened, because it is funny
to see a guy like him make that kind of mistake.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
The first bounce is Chip's pitching wedge, and the second
bounce is my t shot where I scull it four
yards into the next You can't, you just can't. Yeah,
Fleck talked about it with US media jackals afterwards, even
though I was told on social media, we don't ask
the tough questions boys, So I'm gonna have to pour
some of this.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
It's my life, you know, my philosophy. Stop reading Twitter
and taking it to heart. I know you can't stop,
but don't take it to heart.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
When you yell Peter, And I'm sure there's plenty of
high school football coaches or former football players listening this.
You know, get the f away from the football. And
you could see it on that first bounce in Coy's head.
If this bounce is like that again, which it seems
like he's anticipating, I'm gonna make a play, except he
gets my skulled tea shot off the fourteenth that oak

(26:02):
Marsh can't happen and the game flips and the game's
over when it's a two score game at that point.
How was Fleck postgame with you, Burnsy? What stood out
to you and what he had to say. I felt
like he was a bit despondent and didn't anticipate that
the sid Paul Rovnat goes opening statement and Fleck looks

(26:26):
at him. Do I have to Yeah, I'm sure the
last twenty minute poor performance offensively, defensively, special teams, coaching decisions,
I mean offensively, third and seven. We've seen that play
call how many times in.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
Nine years, particularly with you're down to your third tillback,
and even even if it's Darius Taylor's in there, I don't.
I don't like it. Mean I trust this quarterback more.
Now we can talk about the receiving corps. They got
to get more from that group. I means.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
The thing with the offense is if we're just gonna
look at it holistically, and I talked, I wrote about
this yesterday and Gopher illustrated. Is their disparity between actual
points on the board versus total yards is something? Right now,
they are putting up the second most total yards per

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game of any Fleck offense not named twenty nineteen against
FBS opponents. I took Northwestern stay out of that, and
I understand the two game sample size is not very big,
but it is what it is. Yet they're only averaging
eighteen points per game. Why they have nine different drives
that have got into the opponent territory against Buffalo and

(27:43):
Cal that resulted in zero points. That is either incredibly
bad luck bad coaching. Somewhere in between. There's a couple.
There's an interception off the bottom of a foot, there's
the sixteen play drive that ends the game. There's a
few punts, there's a little bit of every everything, but
they're moving the ball. They just have no have no

(28:03):
points to show for it. The incredibly frustrating part about
this is that third and seven run. I went back
and watched the game. That is the same exact run
that feme Igeboy breaks off for twenty seven yards, same
exact play formation, two tight ends to the left. Greg
Johnson just for whatever reason on that play doesn't go

(28:27):
to the right. It's zone right. If he zone's right,
he catches the linebacker and that's at least positive yards.
But I know no one wants to hear that because
it's the thirty thousand foot view of why are they
running the ball on third and seven from the Cal
thirty and I understand that completely.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Guys, and particularly and you had the stat It's not
like you have a kicker that's automatic from forty out.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
I mean this is a three of ten in his
collegiate career from forty plus yards. I was old coming
into the season to not worry about it.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
So if you think that's right, if you think Fleck
doesn't know that, why are you playing for a long
field goal?

Speaker 1 (29:03):
That is questions i've ever heard hold on though I
don't think he was. I don't think he was. I
I'm I think because he's done. Yes, yes, I think
I think that I honestly because he's That's how he's
explained it before. Right. He has said multiple times, I'm
giving him two. I want you to go get half

(29:24):
of it, and then we'll go get half of it
because he knows the same thing about the kicker. Here's
my problem with it, because earlier in the drive third
and five, they gave it to Famie and he got eight, right,
And I know five is different than seven, So that's
probably in their mind. Each boy was having a good game.
Each boy wasn't a ball carrier at that point, and
that's my and he was the play before and I
think picked up three yards. That was Cam Davis. So

(29:45):
don't look all like this, Yeah it was it was
Cam Davis. Perty go ahead and look at the play
by play, I can tell you don't trust me. But
that's what I because I don't Of all the backs
that they've played, he's the one that I don't think
has like. I don't think he should be getting the
ball in that spot. No disrespect to him. If it's Darius, maybe,

(30:07):
if it's you know, maybe even Aj. But and the
way Femi was running the ball, I wouldn't have hated it,
especially because PJ. I'm not saying I'm not defending it.
I'm just saying, in Pj's mind, I'm sure he's thinking
we're gonna get two or three here. Then it's fourth
and five into twenty eight, we're probably gonna or we're
kicking a forty five, we're going you know what I mean? Though,
I do think if you.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
Think as much as they like the quarterback, don't you
think you give him a shot there? I don't, for
life of me understand it. I I think I liked
his quarterback. I trust him. I think he can make plays.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
And rocking the one receiver that was Rockington.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Yeah, I mean, you know, good for Lemecky or Gears
or you know.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
I just.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
I just don't understand the mindset I really don't.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
So what's the tweak for the offense? Because I mentioned
they're putting up total yards, they're also converting over fifty
percent of their third which is really good. They just
have no points and that leads us into Darius Taylor
being ruled out. We don't have a timeline, so I'm
gonna give you some hypotheticals here for you guys to
chew on, plus the listeners. Last year, when we were

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at the open practice and he tweaked his left hamstring,
I will remind people this is his right hamstring this year.
But last year he missed twenty five days in between
the moment he was injured to when he returned against
Rhode Island. Then he played the next twelve consecutive games.
In twenty twenty three, when he tweaked something in his

(31:34):
lower body against Northwestern, he missed twenty eight days, returned
for Iowa, missed the rest of the season, So that
was thirty five days. Now you look at the timeline
potentially if this is somewhere in between where if it's better,
if it's worse. Flex said they got a very positive
diagnosis after the game. We'll find out if that's true.

(31:54):
But Rutgers is twenty one days since his injury. Ohio
State's twenty eight produce thirty five? Which game do you
think we see Darius Taylor return? He did not warm
up before this game. He was in sweats the whole time,
which tells me I don't know that they necessarily want
him to start pushing things yet. But which game do

(32:14):
you think will see the return of Darius Taylor Perdue?

Speaker 2 (32:19):
I would say Purdue.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
I think you're I think you're both right. If there
is any part of you that thinks he's not one
hundred percent per Ohio State under no circumstances do you
place him?

Speaker 1 (32:29):
Which is too bad?

Speaker 3 (32:31):
Yeah, which also means I don't think the news on
AJ Turner is going to be very good when we
hear anything. I mean, guards, are you you were the
one who you saw like.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
I would think so I would assume, Yeah, I mean
he could.

Speaker 3 (32:47):
On his left leg.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
Running Back Overlord is back for the third straight odd
season where you're on RB three, which means you got
to feature feme edge Boy who forced I believe it
was not miss Tackles on seventeen carries, which is.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
I like him?

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (33:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
The issue is where are your other playmakers right now?

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Well that that was I mean, it's nice to sly
brocking to show up, but I mean I was looking
at us test today. Uh three games, John Tracy six catches,
Logan Lawyer three games, three catches, and.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
You're gonna get going about the whole.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
I know that, I know game two. Let's take that out.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
So two games, like sixty two guys have receptions this season, Yeah,
because of how the ball has been spread around, Like
I'm pretty sure I caught a couple of balls against
Northwestern State.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
We'll take that game because I said that that game
doesn't matter, but I think it's still they need to
get They need to Those guys are gonna have to
be prominent, right, I mean.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
Even mentioned Jalen Smith. Jaylen Smith is guy he's got
to you know, he's going through some older yeah, some
freshman stuff here. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
I mean the game is probably a little bit faster
him right now. And it looked fast that first game
where you.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
Know, and it looked fast on Saturday night. The question
is are you going to count on la Mecky Brockington
having a career game now going forward? He had never
caught more than two passes in a game, nor surpassed
fifty five yards in a game before Saturday night and
he played great.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
This needs to be his Elijah Spencer moment, like have
that type of season words.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
This offense needs someone to catch a pass from Drake Lindsay.
The thing I would say is Drake Lindsay. And it's
great that we're now thirty five minutes into the podcast
and we're not talking about bad quarterback play. For the
amount of years this trio has covered Goph football.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
And coming off of the Vikings game on Sunday nights, yes,
taking a quarterback detox, but go ahead.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
It feels like every throw from Drake has to be
perfect because of either the lack of sack separation, Jalen
Smith battling drop still, which we can I can ask
both of the two of you. Do you cut his
snap apps to try and mitigate that, which could potentially
destroy young player's confidence, or do you let him work

(35:06):
through it? At this point?

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Well, who are you replacing him with?

Speaker 2 (35:09):
That?

Speaker 3 (35:09):
That's the third part of the Lawyer. Because Jalen Smith
only plays outside and Logan Loy is a slot receiver,
you'd be replacing him with either Javon Tracy or Kenrick
Lanier who just runs wind sprints at this point.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Yeah, I think he has to work through it, I
think to me, and you know, I'm not an expert
on wide receiver play, but it feels like the game
is fast form right here, and he's sped up, and
it's you know, and.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
It's his first few games. Not everybody's going to be
Drake Lindsay and come out not being worried about this.
He's a reightchird freshman. I understand it.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Yeah, I think you'll settle down, figure it out. I
don't really worry. I think you keep playing him and
keep giving him opportunities.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
But I agree these.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
These you know, I mean, you see it better than
I burns. But it didn't seem like there's a ton
of separation. And I didn't get to see the you know,
the the field view I was watching on TV. But
I just didn't see a lot of separation there.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
There wasn't And Javon Tracy drew a couple of pis
which maybe would have been catches instead they were free
first downs. But that's the thing I want to find
out about this team against Rutgers is the fighting Rob Smiths,
of which I cannot wait for narrative street. I'm gonna
have so many different things in the background to annoy
guardsy Oh my gosh, they're not a great defense, right.

(36:32):
Minnesota is also going to likely be down their top
two running backs, and their past catchers have struggled to
catch the ball consistently, or even when they do catch it,
it's a double clutch. I think about a swing pass
to the running back where if he catches it clean,
it's a five to six yard game. Instead it's a
it's a loss. Or even the Koy Parritch trick play.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
Oh, we didn't even talk about that. Yeah, we didn't
even talk about that.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
He does love he double clutches it and then he
pays nix and he runs backwards. If he catches a clean,
the play isn't there for what it's worth. If he
just catches a clean and runs forward, he's at least
back at the line of scrimmage. But because he doesn't
catch a clean he panics.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Well, and you know, trick plays are one of those
things that they work. We all celebrate. They don't. What
the hell do you do?

Speaker 3 (37:19):
Percentile outcome or it's a ninety fifth percentile.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
But it just to me it felt like they finally
started getting some rhythm going. Yeah, they were kind of
they were rolling, They're rolling, and then you throw that
in there, it's like he killed the driver.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
Like really, now, that was tough.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
That was tough. And by the way, KOI too, You're
not gonna sneak Koy onto the field like you saw
the satan though, whoever tackle in the safety of the linebacker.
The second he got it was shot out of the
cannon that they have on that hill that went on.
I mean, he was like you could tell when Koy
is on the field. Everybody knows. So that's the other

(37:53):
thing where I didn't love it.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
About two plays before, they ran the exact same motion,
the exact same type of thing, and Cooy Parrits caught
a twenty yard pass right, So it was the same
look that God's zone coverage the guy. I just think,
I just think Coy didn't catch a clean and instead
of catching the ball and either being an athlete and
running or he could have thrown it.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
Away right.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
Chip's point, it went horrifically in a horrific spot. And
I gave you the stat earlier that nine different drives
into opponent territory have ended in zero points. Backs you
up out of field goal range and he gets zero
points there. And that's how absolutely horrible for her about.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
Moving the ball really well, found something and then kind
of a self inflicted thing that puts you back.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
And that's that's why you look, uh, what the kicker like.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
Is? This had the leg, like you said Burns even
saying the whole time he's got the leg, where is
it going? It's just a little bit sporadic.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Three of ten, three of ten in his career.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
I mean it's and he looked good in the first
two games from within forty yards. And that's not my
question of him. It's for a coach who loves forty
plus yard field goals. No team attempted more forty plus
yard field goals in the Big Ten last year than
the University of Minnesota Golden Gophers.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
Well, I understand that. I mean Kessig could bang it
from there. He didn't have as good a year as
he did two years ago, but he's he had the leg.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
The adapt or the thing that I want to see
Fleck and Harbo adapt on, or at least Fleck specifically
here because it starts with him is you can't have
that same mindset anymore. You have to be more aggressive
because your kicker just isn't there this year. And this
would be the hope of Fleck said it about Koy
Parritch after the game, touch the stove and you gotta

(39:39):
find out, well, PJ, you don't have the kicker that
you once had, so you touch the stove against Cal.
Can we not see these same type of offensive philosophy
type of mistakes in year nine with this specific team, please?

Speaker 2 (39:53):
Hey boys, quick aside guard you mentioned the cannon are
beautiful setting for college football? When yeah, great, I told you,
guys love it. It's kind of ye.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Yes, I want to be the people on the hill
that just hang out there. They've been They've been doing
it since the first game in the stadium in like
the nineteen twenties. Yes, Now, Bay Area is such a painting.
I don't know how people live there.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
It's not convenience.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
Nothing is convenient. It is. Yeah, every it takes forever
to do anything, and everything's super expensive. So I guess
you just lose track of it because you're you're in
the mountains and everything looks great, like, yeah, it was cool.
And I like this. You know, we're lucky to have
Huntington Banks Stadium because everything just kind of fits where

(40:40):
it fits, and it's an easy place to work, and
I think for fans it's pretty easy to get around.
I haven't been to a game in fifteen years as
a fan. Oh good for me. But the old stadiums
when you've got to like, you know, find ways to
make you know, club sections and you know, they've got
like risers in this thing with like random wood tables
to try, like I kind of like the charm of

(41:00):
all of those. But yeah, in that hill, I mean
they basically that hill was made from the dirt that
they that they used to when they excavated for the stadium,
and they just had to push it to the side.
And those those people were there keep it hours Like
they were like Chipschoggins early. They were sitting there like
the whole time. But yeah, it was very cool. It was.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
I love going to uh, cool stadiums that you've never
been to.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
For and just kind of see how exactly right.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
That's what's so great? Is like, And not all NFL
stadiums are cookie cutter, obviously, but I just love different,
Like you know, there's just things that make in college football,
college towns, the setting, unique things between the hedges at
Georgia whatever that you know, the river it is. I
mean just I love.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
Seeing the different everybody's got something.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
I love the different features that makes us it that
you know that this is ours, you.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
Know, exactly right, and that cannon is a big part
of it. I was talking with Mark Coyle on the
pregame show and they tested it. That was like, okay,
and aneurysm, well, can we give a heads up? I mean,
can you say, hey, by the way, we're about to
explode this cannon, just in case anybody's wondering, like, let's

(42:14):
give a little bit of a heads up. Didn't get that.
That was fine, but yeah, it was cool. And you know,
you've got I always love to the press box pictures
or the pictures around. You know, they've got Jared Goff
and Aaron Rodgers, you know, you know obviously both col guys.
You've got Marshawn Lynch, You've got job at Best, You've
got you know, the Rose Bowl teams in the forties
and the fifties. Like that stuff is cool. If you

(42:34):
do like college football, which we all do, in fact
that you can see you know, Alcatraz and the Golden
Gate Bridge from you know, different areas of the press
box and lookout because you are up on a hill. Yeah,
it was great. And it was a great Gopher crowd too.
I thought Burns they had, you know, their one section
was full and then you know, they were pretty much
scattered throughout the stadium. You know, I was talking to

(42:54):
people all over the place on the road sideline because
there were a lot of Gopher fans. So unfortunately, they
didn't have much fun outside of you know, maybe the
night before and the day after.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
Yeah, now it's where do they go from here? With
with Rutgers coming to town and you've still got some
cool venues coming ahead for Gopher fans and travel to
which I had a few fans ask me, do you
think this is going to be the destination of which
people go to Oregon or is it going to be
Wrigley Field, which is very convenient for so many people
here in the Midwest. And that's the beauty of this
schedule is you've got some different places to go see

(43:28):
that aren't say West Lafayette, Indiana.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
And I you know, I'm not going unfortunately, but I
disappointing the Oregon games of Friday night necesarity. I think
that might affect some some travel too.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
Some people actually have told us they like it better
because they're like, we were going out Thursday anyway, and
now we're going to have the whole weekend to go
do whatever we want.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
After you make sense, you can.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
Find it one way or the other, right, you can,
you can figure it out one way or the other.
I've heard a lot of you know, I think it
was Coil even saying like he goes it doesn't appear
to us that people are choosing which road trips. He's like,
we're getting people making a lot of them. Yeah, which
I think, or at least a couple of them, you know,
so good for them. That's great. That should be fun.
Anything else from the game we want to talk about

(44:08):
before we pause and go around the big ten and
you know, talk about you know, Burnsy and me and
the efforts we made for the cafe and listeners on
Sunday morning, which I don't think we're properly appreciated. Anything else.
Take off the golfers, all right, let's talk about Jack's Cafe.
It is brunch season for sure, although today it's like
ninety two degrees. But you know what, maybe Bill will

(44:29):
let you jump into the lake I don't know, or
the river, the babbling brook in the back on the patio.
But you do have probably a month or two left
to take advantage of one of the best patios in
the Twin Cities. And we know some of the best
food in the Twin Cities as well, whether it is brunch,
whether it's lunch, whether it's dinner, if it's a date night,
happy hour. Jack's Cafe has been a great partner of
ours for a long time. Out in Berkeley. Had a

(44:49):
couple of people, actually a couple of guys on the
sidelines that know Bill pretty well, said we're big Jack's
Cafe people. We met at Jack's Cafe a few months ago.
It was great. We love what Jackson has done for us,
and we love chip for people to support one of
our great sponsors.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
I love when people say we're Jack's people. How cool
is that? Like it's our spot. Yeah, let's let's find
more Jacks people. And here's here's a challenge. I want
somebody to celebrate their anniversary dinner there this week and
send us a picture. It's a challenge. I'm issuing a challenge.
I'm issuing a challenge. This will post today Tuesday, right,
let's see somebody by Sunday night. Send us a picture

(45:27):
from an anniversary dinner.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
I would say about the demographic we have, Chip, I
don't know how many football people got married in the
month of September. Now, that was one of my deal
breakers back.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
Yeah, you don't do if your anniversary is.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
If your anniversary is coming up. Yeah, we're having technical
difficulties regard to got cut off there.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Yeah, you don't get married in football season. But uh,
it doesn't mean it has to be your anniversary this week.
If you're just saying, hey, we'll go out, you know
sometime here.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
I'm going there next week to celebrate my best man's
birthday and I'm looking forward to it immensely. I'm gonna
request the table out there on that beautiful patio here
for hopefully at some point September, late September weather. But
where should people go?

Speaker 1 (46:19):
Guardie Jackscafe dot com, Jaxcafe dot com. And it'd be
great if people would stop calling me well and trying
to do this show I had to do having I'm
having Chipskoggin's computer meltdowns pretty much all day today doing
it on my phone. People keep calling me. It's kicking
me off the stream yard. What's it like to be.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
So popular all the time. Not all heroes wear capes.
You tell me that all the time.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
So my ore is in the water today, My ore
is in the water. I am surviving and advancing. All right,
Jackscafe dot com, make your reservations, jaxcafe dot com. All right,
should we talk Wisconsin or Iowa? First?

Speaker 3 (46:56):
Wisconsin?

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Their defense is not bad defense. Yeah, I got I
watched a fair amount of that game. Burns. I know
you did too. Chip. You might have been taking a
nap because it was you know, you've gotten back late
from Wadna. But their defense isn't bad. Their offense not great.
Down quarterback, they're down the quarterback again, and Alabama just

(47:18):
kind of leaned on them for a while and then
kind of like last year, the floodgates just kind of
opened up that their quarterback through a bad pick in
the first half when the game was still kind of close.
Their defense might be able to keep them in some games,
but again, it just goes back to if they don't
beat Maryland at Camp Randall on Saturday. I don't know
where their next victory is coming from.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Yeah, and and they're they're do we know how long
the quarterbacks down?

Speaker 3 (47:41):
I think he's supposed to be back here within the
next week or two.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
Yeah, it's immin it, you know, within the next few weeks.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
Yeah, it's gonna be tough for that that team to
score much without your starting quarterback. And obviously when you're
you know, a really good team. But yeah, I mean
you think I defense would be pretty good, right, I
mean I didn't get.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
To see the big guys up front, I mean really
big guys like Alabama's having trouble running on them. You
know for the first quarter and a half.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
They're going to have to win a certain way. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
Yeah, The question is how long can that defense hold up?
I mean in that game, the Alabama quarterback was unconscious
throwing darts. Yeah, the entire time in Alabama, skilled position
is still Alabama skill position. And they put that thing away.
But the thing for Wisconsin for me, isn't necessarily even
going to be the offense. It's how long can their
defense hold up being on the field all the time.

(48:31):
Could you look at that schedule coming up, and I'll
post the question to you two. You've got Maryland this weekend,
and then how many games after that? And I'll list
the remaining eight games I'm looking will they be favored
in and so given for the listeners who don't have
them in front of it. After this weekend where they
host Maryland, they're on the road at number twenty one
Michigan home against Iowa home versus number one Ohio State,

(48:53):
on the road at Oregon home against Washington, on the
road against number nineteen Indiana home against the fighting Brett Belamos,
who are the ninth ranked team in the country, and
then they come to Huntington Bank Stadium to end the season.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Washington would be the only one.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
Maybe Minnesota Minnesota falls, Yeah, I'd say the over unders
one and a half. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
And the thing is, and you guys know, just physically,
where are they going to be by the end of
that's my questions. You're going to get to get.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
On the field for seventy snaps a game for the
next nine games. I don't care how good your defense
is at that point, you are going to get worn
down very quickly.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
That's as brutal as schedules. I can remember a team having.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
The most we talked about in the off season. It's
probably the most difficult one in the Big Ten and
certainly one of the most difficult ones in college football,
and the program.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
They needed a break for a program that's been looking
for some good news, you know, trying to get Luke
Luke Fickle era going here. I mean, if like I say,
don't I know, Maryland's always kind of a wild card.
They really haven't played anybody. They beat was in forty
four to seventeen last weekend, Northern Illinois and I guess
FAU Florida Atlantic. So this is really their first test.

(50:06):
Alabama you can at least say, right, Wisconsin, you can
at least says had to up the ante a little
bit and get themselves ready. But this is a it's
a big game for that. Yeah, really yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
I mean, so many teams in the Big Ten. I
would argue, we still don't know anything about Rightsoda has
been tested one time and they didn't play well in it,
And this will be essentially the first time we get
to see Maryland tested. We'll see Wisconsin's second test. I
think there's so much as we sit here on September sixteenth.
We don't know yet, which is exciting and also frustrating

(50:37):
to try and cover because you're trying to, as Chip
would say, prognosticate into the future.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Yeah, well I'll try to learn. And I you know,
I heard our friend Mace with youan Berrero, and he
said he, you know, just as he looked at this
as this at the Big Ten early on, He's like,
he doesn't know how many good teams there are. And
I think that's still to be determined, because it's just, yeah,
you get so little sense when you're playing some of

(51:05):
these non conference.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
Games that they do, you know, and so many things
are new.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
And that's they're new and changes. Yeah, and you know,
even like you know, we think Buffalo is a pretty
good MAC team, but they really struggled against Kent State.
That's a game they could have lost. So it's like,
I don't know, until you get into the Big Ten
and you start playing like teams, it's hard to really
get what these you know, each team.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
Is Wisconsin nine and a half point favorites according to
ESPN bet. That's what I've got up right now, nine
and a half point favorites. Tickets as those twenty five
dollars if anybody wants to go over there for the
eleven o'clock kick, do a little scouting for the game
after Thanksgiving. Kirk Farris, congratulations pass and that record will
live forever. Right, there's just no way anywhere that someone

(51:51):
is coaching for twenty seven years, twenty six years, whatever
it is. They took a deep shot right away. Yeah,
basically like we can do this.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
There's deep shot.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
Yeah, we can do it. Mark Kronowski can make that throw.
They hit it. You masked with Burnsey's guy Joe Harris
Simeak obviously a program in transition, but cool moment. I
thought after the game, you know, to have farens pipe
through the entire Kinic stadium and one of his former players,
Anthony Harron, doing the interview and then he did the
swarm the swimming team, like whatever you think of Iowa,

(52:25):
and I know I hear it every week. You all
hate Iowa. We hate Iowa, which is, by the way,
the dumbest cheer in college sports. Go ahead and email me.
That's a hell of a run, man, that's a hell
of a run. And it's yeah, I think, I think,
I just think you should have a general appreciation in
twenties twenty five for what has gone on down there

(52:48):
since nineteen seventy eight or whenever Hay and Fry got there.
It's incredible.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
I was thinking about this because I have great respect
for Kirk Farnson. When I was on the beat many
many years ago, and we'd have that big tim media
day at the Hilton there, we'd be in the ballroom.
There's Berry, Barry Alvarez and Lloyd Carr, Joe Paterno, Mason,
Kirk Farrence. I mean, he's still there and coaching, you know,

(53:14):
and it feels like it feels like a lifetime ago.
And I always, I always love sitting his table because
I thought very personal. You had great conversations, had a
good sense about just the game and not just this program,
but just like college sports in general. I heard Grimmer
talk to t J. Hockinson in the locker room the
other night, asking him about him, and he had some

(53:35):
you know, yeah, but you know, and you know, PG
talks about it the culture sustainability to to be able
to weather the low the bad years they have and
the bad offenses they have and still keep winning eight

(53:56):
nine games because you have a formula you have a model,
you stick with it. You don't change, you don't. You know,
think about how many different versions of college football that
he's had to navigate in his.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
Own right, so many.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
I mean, uh, you know, just how the how the
sport and how his you know, universe has changed in
that time and he still managed to you know, And
and I'm sure there's been how many years where fans
have wanted him gone?

Speaker 1 (54:29):
Yeah, there's been a few. I mean, he was definitely
saved by his own buy out a few times back
in the y sure sure, which I've always said, even
talking about the fickle thing. You know, it's like it's
okay to let a good coach find his way out
of it, you know what I mean, Like you don't
have to get crazy and go that's stale, it's done,
it's over. It's okay to have some ebbs and flows.

(54:50):
I always say, Barry Alvarez after his first Rose Bowl
wins seven and six or six and seven a couple
of times, right, Like, it doesn't you don't just get
to nine or ten wins and just stay there forever.
That's not it works, especially now in the new big
Tech with fifty two teams and everybody's got their foot
on the gas, and now we'll get to learn a
lot more about them. I think they have a road
game on Friday night against Rock. You know that will

(55:12):
be Obviously Gopher fans are interested. You play both of them.
Of course, you play Rutgers next weekend. Gophers are on
a by but that's going to be an interesting one
to see kind of what's real about both of these teams.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
Bernsy, we get to learn something, and I'm all for
learning anything about these teams at that point, but I
don't know that I have much more to echo than
I don't know that you'll see. Kirk Farrence's record now
broke because of the lack of patience that exists in
the world and certainly the world of college football these days.
And I'm almost operating under the assumption now that this

(55:45):
might be Kirk Ferriens's last year with the way that
things have kind of gone down there. So he is
someone that I don't know that you'll see again here
in college football. And I know it's Iowa, but it
makes you appreciate things like that, Oh.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
His age, You google it?

Speaker 1 (56:01):
What hell is Kirt burnsi old? Google it? My favorite
part was when Haron asked him about you know, he's
passing you know, Woody and he's passed Bow and you know,
you know, like Alonzo stags in there and and he's
naming the names. And Kirk's like, yeah, that's kind of
the part I'm having trouble with. I'm paraphrase. Yeah, that's
the part that's like doesn't make sense. You know, you

(56:22):
know from Pittsburgh.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
One thing he does I love. You know, if you
read our friend Scott doctorim and his piece on kind
of his legacy is great, but an unknown Farina his
wife had given millions to the children's hospital down there
in the way he was the coolest thing in color football.
But then when he does his opening, you know, his
Tuesday press conference or what Monday whenever he does it

(56:45):
goes through a pun bah blah. And then he has
the m v P, the kid MVP from some kid
from the it's like clockwork. Every here's our here's our game,
our captain, our game captain. It talks about that kid
and the challenges. I mean, it's just I don't know,
I find it as a parent. I just I think
things like that show you that he's a classic game.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
And just knowing. You know, obviously I have a lot
of family in Iowa that have had players from the
high schools go and you know when he comes into school,
just how he handles the recruiting, you know, just how
he He's very well liked in the athletic department, which
I think says a lot. That's not always the case
with the football coach. So anyway, yeah, given that, you know,
we just had two coaches fired this week in like

(57:26):
year three, year three, right, or year two for Sean Foster.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
Foster stuff here, And.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
I get it. Not every coach is great, and you know,
some coaches shouldn't run programs, but it's okay to let
a guy kind of find his way out of it
and navigate. I talked about that with Greg Gardtt Wisconsin,
you know, the last couple of years. Like there's a
lot of Wisconsin fans as well, the only one with
Bose players and this and that. It's like, well, again,
not every year is Sam Decker and Frank Kaminski gonna
pull up and you're gonna be, you know, ten minutes

(57:54):
from a national championship. Like that's just not how it
works as much as you think it should. Let a
guy go through and Greg, Yeah, they were really good,
right they had I know, Wisconsin, they didn't make the
sweet sixteen or anything, and that's one of the things
that they're mad about. But it's like, I don't know,
I mean, I might not be cut out for this
college sports world anymore. I'm trying to calm Yeah, some

(58:16):
big games this weekend, by the way, August, all right,
all right, Sean, no hold on, well you want to,
let's spend thirty seconds each Michigan at Nebraska this weekend.
Big game, right people. By the way, they're going crazy
about you know, Matt Rule's halftime speech a couple of

(58:38):
weeks ago when they're up like fifty to nothing and
he's mad because the other team, you know, moved the
ball on him, and leader of men, you guys know,
I love Matt Rule. Every coach in the country gives
that same speech. Yeah, when you're both Do you think
that PJ. Fleck went in against Northwestern State and said,
all right, ones, you're good, twos, whatever the hell you want?
You know, like they all all, every single coach gives

(59:00):
them Matt Rules speech. I thought way too much was
made about that. Every coach says we don't care about
the opponent. We care about us. We're keeping the pedal
down blah blah blah blah blah, and I and rules
of stud but come on, what are we doing? Like?
Can we try a little less hard? But I like
Nebraska in this one. Michigan's favored by two and a half,

(59:21):
and I know their quarterback bounced back Underwood played better
than he did a week ago against Oklahoma. But this
is a this is you know, I talked about the
Friday night game when Nebraska comes here, like it's not
unfeasible that Nebraska could be undefeated, and this game at
home was a big reason why I thought that.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
Yeah, three and oh, and this is kind of one
of those for a new coach that's building something or
trying to rebuild. This is kind of when those measuring
stick games anything, are we really you're there, are really
ready to take that next step? And so this will
be I'm sure the atmosphere will be great there. But yeah,
three and oh, see if they stay four arns me.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
If Nebraska wins, will they be ranked in the top
ten even though they're off the top twenty five right now,
or will they have to just settle for like fifteen
or sixteen.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
I think they're gonna have to settle for about twelve
or thirteen. I want to see at Brice Underwood, the
Michigan true freshman quarterback, if they run him as much
as they did last week, which was an underrated part
of I think his game coming out and one that
didn't show as much against Oklahoma. And how much did
Underwood learn from Oklahoma experience where that is going to
be a crazy environment for him to walk into. But

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if he plays well, We've seen Nebraska in one possession
games for how many years? And with this being would
you say at two and a half point yep, let's
see who makes the plays in the third and fourth quarter.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
I know we'll have it on Illinois at Indiana. Who
the first time these two teams have played each other
ranks since nineteen fifty. Wow, Illinois is ninth.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
I'm going to fight in Belamas.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
I think I am too, And honestly, I'm pulling for it.
I'm pulling for it. I in It's in Bloomington six
thirty on en BC, the primetime game this week.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
That's the prime. Illinois and Indiana is the primetime game five.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
But it does show you like that's what's cool. Yes,
that's what's cool about this, Like you can be, to
use Pj's phrase, delusional that you can put yourself in
these and given how there's so many good teams in
the Big ten, like you're gonna have, I mean to
have a Week four Top twenty matchup with two teams
you don't think about very often?

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
Are the week? Are they nine this week only?

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
Yes, they're ninth, Indiana's nineteen.

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
I'm gonna go with the Signetti's is what I'm gonna do.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
Are you? They're four and a half point favorites according to.

Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
I know that they also just lost the running back
this week, but I mean this is also two teams
with people don't think this way, but I'll remind them
these two teams got a lot of bleeping money. Yeah,
I mean Illinois just got one hundred million dollar donation
in Indiana. I mean, Indiana's got money. So I'm glad
to hear that both of them are seeing some return
on their investment. But give me the fighting signettes. Come on, baby.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
I always thought this, like when I when I back
when I covered it when Illinois was kind of going
through the UH you know, just down period, Like you're
so close to Chicago and Saint Louis, Like, shouldn't you
always be good if you're there? I mean, I know
that's kind of an overstatement, but it's like you're surrounded
by town. You just need to find the right person
in that program because there's a ton of money obviously, Yeah,

(01:02:24):
and you know, particularly Chicago and those kids coming down
in alumni. But I just think you said a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
I know, Beelima Gophers fans don't. They're crazy about him
because you know when he's always I think he's a
damn good coach.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
He's a great coach.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
I like his personality. I think he's just a hard
nosed physical uh. Program, So as a great coach, I'm
picking him.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
How about this for Kevin Warren's dream, Michigan at Nebraska
two thirty on CBS, same time, Perdue at Notre Dame. Perdue,
by the way, hung with USC for a little while.
They're better. I don't think they're very good, but they're better.
So you got to two thirty, window, Illinois Indiana six thirty,
and then ten o'clock Central on Fox. You've got Michigan

(01:03:10):
State at USC.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
Every window, every window.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
This is beautiful. This is beautiful. I'm getting emotional how
beautiful this is.

Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
I still can't believe Michigan State agreed to play at
eleven pm Eastern Time.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
Well, I don't think they agreed. I think they said,
here's when your game is.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
There's no agreement it definitely have those checks cash, you
gotta do it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
Here's a TV window that you will be playing in.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
Yeah. USC By the way, seventeen and a half point
favorites over Michigan State. That seems a little rich, doesn't it. Well.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
We talked about last week that teams in the Big
Ten last year who traveled two or more time zones
were six and twenty two. We just saw it Saturday
not play well towards the end of it, like they
ran out of gas. I think the Vegas Lions got
a little bit baked into it, but maybe I got
a little bit more faith in Michigan State's quarter.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
We need a consensus. By the way, you would think
the Big Ten, with all its money and the fact
that they're making these teams go out, there needs to
be some type of Big Ten protocol for what the
actual best practices are to play well because PJ said,
He's like, we've done it four or five different ways.
You know, we haven't started very well, so we're doing
something completely different. Like I think it's just impossible because

(01:04:23):
we just did the record. You know, all of these
teams are doing you know, the sleep studies and we're
talking to the doctors and this is what we're gonna do,
and this is when you nap, and this is when
you hydrate, and this is blue lights and all of this,
and no one can go out there and play well.
So what the hell is happening? I don't know. That's
just me because they clearly what the plan they used

(01:04:43):
last week. They didn't start very well, right in particular,
they kind of got going in the middle of the game,
and then, as Burnsy said, they didn't finish well. We're
gonna need more science, I think, because none of these
teams are going out there and playing well, not just
the Gophers. We'll see how Michigan State holds up against
the fighting Trojans of USC all right, Deshaun foster.

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
Man gets boat raced by the Pride of Lacrosse Wisconsin.
Jason Eck and the New Mexico Are they the are
the Lobo Lobos. If you lose by New Mexican to
New Mexico and the Rose Ball by twenty five points
to extend to zero and three on the season. If
your boy Martin John.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
Now it's uh, that's as bad as it gets. Not
only do you have to pay them a lot of
money to come there. Did you see that crowd?

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
Well that's I think that crowd is why they he
was fired. Not necessarily the result now they go hand
in hand, but the apathy within that program has just skyrocketed.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
You know. It's interesting. Yeah, And obviously I know the
the ad at UCLA. I covered him as a high
school athlete many many years ago in North Carolina, and
so I I have great respect for my friend. But
it's a mess. And as much as we love the
Rose Bowl and how cool it does, it got there,

(01:06:01):
it's a long way from campus in terms of driving.
And remember we went out there last year. There was
no I didn't seen students really like it's it's not
a thing. And when you have a bad program, a
bad team on top of that, what's the incentive for
kids to get on a bus or drive or whatever
they have to do to get there. It's a it's
a tough situation. You know, they took a gamble on

(01:06:24):
a quarterback that from Tennessee that has not panned out obviously,
and I can't imagine how much they had to pay him.
It's it's a mess, and I don't know. You know,
obviously there was a conversation a couple of years ago
when when Martin contacted PJ expressed his interest. You know
obviously that the Sean Foster was not the right hire there,

(01:06:47):
but it was sort of I don't know, if it's
a panic mover, was one of us.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
Yeah, remember Chip Kelly left them in January, right, I
mean he left him pretty late in the whole deal
to go be a coordinator at Ohio State. So that's do.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
You even though it's Big ten and there's you know,
the Big ten money, do you think they get a
sitting head coach from a smaller conference. I don't either.
I think you're rolling dice on a coordinator.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
Well, that's the thing. I don't think they have any money.
And two years ago the thing with Fleck was real,
But I think that is I cannot see a world
in which Fleck ends up at UCLA because I know
everybody wants to start those again. There's just no shot
UCLA fifty million in the red over the last five
years right now, they got to pay somewhere between a

(01:07:36):
five to seven million dollar buyout for Deshaun Foster, depends
if they negotiated a doubt or not. I also hate
to say this about your boy, Chip, but I think
Martin Jarmin is likely also going to get fired here.
That's another seven million dollars. So you're paying somewhere between
twelve and fifteen million to let people go. There's no
way you can then afford to pay someone eight million

(01:07:59):
dollars US. There's just where is the support financially for
anything within that university right now?

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
What do you guys think about the Rose Bowl and
how the distance it is from campus though? Is a hangout?

Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
Yes, it's a hangout. I mean the Metrodome is a
hang up for the Gophers and that's a mile down
the road. Yeah right, not even that. No, I think
it is a problem. But I don't know how that's
fixable because I don't I don't remember a whole lot
of undeveloped land in the Westwood Beverly Hills area that
they could clop down their own forty thousand person stadium, right, Like,

(01:08:34):
so I don't they're.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
Looking at Yeah, they're looking at it as if you
get the right coach and build interest in you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
Yeah the matter how Yeah that's true.

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
But I also just think people in LA don't necessarily
care that much about college football anymore. And I mean
they used to back when Lioner and Reggie Bush running
around the coliseum. But even USC has issues filling their stadium.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
Right, yess correct, right, And that one's on campus. I
mean that's the next door.

Speaker 3 (01:08:59):
There's just so many other things for people in LA
to go do on a weekend then go to a
college football game or even a UCLA game. If you're
a studing to your point chip. It's so far away.
You do so many different other things. And so I
don't know who they go get. I just don't think
they have the money. I don't think this is going
to be an awe inspiring higher I don't think it's

(01:09:19):
a great job anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
Right, You're gonna have to get a lot of assurances
that we've either got money or money is coming or
because I mean, you need money for everything, right, you
need money for your head coach. The other problem. And
this sounds silly, but I know it's true. It's hard
to hire a staff too, because you've got to pay
them so much just to live in LA. Yeah, right,
Like there's you know, I know, a basketball coach at

(01:09:43):
one point. Part of the reason they took the job
is their you know, their wife could also do real
estate and they had a big house because of his wife.
Not necessarily like the coach, the division one assistant coach
was essentially the second bread winner because that was the
only way they could make Los Angeles at a close
spot work. So there is a lot you think LA

(01:10:03):
it should be easy, it should be great. Everybody wants
to live there. It's tough out there, man, It's really tough.
And yes, the the Rose Bowl probably doesn't help being
just that far. And I mean we saw the game
day atmosphere. It wasn't great. They did the best burns.
You thought it was more like an NBA game with
all the DJs and stuff, which I actually thought was
cool because you got to do something different, something You

(01:10:24):
got to make it fun for people that are going
to get on those buses and come all the way
out there. But it's very difficult. So yeah, I'll be
curious who they hire because it's a very tough job
and I don't know how they I don't and like
if PJ wanted to go this time around and say
all right, good luck man, like hate to lose you.
Everybody knows I like working with him, and I think

(01:10:45):
he's done a really good job here, But that would
be I just don't see that as a step anymore.
Like I maybe did a while.

Speaker 3 (01:10:53):
The worst job than it was two years ago. And
UCLA has less money.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
And you don't know with a you don't you know,
are they gonna let the ad stay in and pick
the next coachy?

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
So anything else we need to talk about before about Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
I want to hear about Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
Well, at first, give me your feedback, Burnsy, because I
actually haven't. Actually, I did get a text from a
person who will remain nameless, and I'm using my phone
so I can't pull it up to get verbatim exactly
what he said. But it was at like eight thirty
in the morning. I had just walked in my house, like,

(01:11:32):
why do you why do you sound so like you
sound terrible? What's the deal this is? At eight thirty
I'm like, okay, so people might not know I do
a show on Cafe and on Sunday mornings, most Sunday
mornings because we don't have one for a couple of
weeks now with no game no game this week and
then back to back Vikings games in Europe at eight thirty.

(01:11:55):
But it's from A to nine. It's called Go for
Football Sunday, and for many years now Ryan Burns has
joined me at eight fifteen. It's one. It's probably my
favorite segment of the week on the fan that we do,
and it's at eight o'clock. And there's some problems when
you're playing a West Coast team at nine to thirty.
Central of the fact that you're playing might not land
in time for the show. So rather chip than just

(01:12:17):
say everyone's out of luck, we kept our ore in
the water and did a little planning pre planning, and
I said, I'm going to try to record some stuff
before we leave, because then at least we have something. Yeah,
and apparently nobody appreciated it, Burnsey, because all we got
was were complaints. What did you get before we talk

(01:12:37):
about how we pulled it off?

Speaker 3 (01:12:40):
So I showed up to bowling on Sunday night because
I'm a middle aged man in a thirty three year
old's body, and I sit down in my seat and
I have a guy, a gentleman, walk up to me
and say what the hell happened this morning? And I went,
what do you mean? He goes, well, first of all,
it sounded like you guys were out on a tarmac somewhere,

(01:13:00):
of which one of us certainly was trying to make
this thing happen. And then he also tells you, well,
then the dang segment played twice. We're trying guards.

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
It was so good.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
It's an hour show. We need about forty five minutes
of content. And between Burnsey and then I recorded something
with Grim outside the bus, and then Pj's postgame interview,
which we only got like half of for other reasons
that Saturday was kind of a meltdown. We had about
thirty minutes of content. Chip, and so I said, as

(01:13:33):
I'm texting at four in the morning Central time before
our flight lands to my boss and Brett, who runs it,
I would have Packer Preview go an extra fifteen minutes
and then play these segments back to back, and then
we should be good to go and everything should be fine.
But yes, I'll give you my version. I recorded something
with Grim on the bus or buy the bus, which

(01:13:55):
during the interview for people that may or may not
have heard it, a drunk cow student comes around the
corner from where he was going to the bathroom. Oh
my gosh, walks by us and his pants fall down
because he did he did not redo his belt. This
is like twelve thirty ish twelve thirty Pacific times.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
So you're on the bus, the team bus going to
from the stadium to the airport.

Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
Grim and I are outside of the stadium, using outside
of the bus, waiting to get on the bus, and
a drunk cow student comes stumbling by, his pants fall down.
Grim of course can't keep it together. I'm the only
pro so I just basically go and we're out here.
We're outside caw Memorial Stadium. The Gophers lose twenty seven.
Whatever it was. A drunk cow student has just peed
on a wall over here. His pants are now on

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the ground, and we're not sure if he's gonna stumble
back down this hill right into us. Grimmer, what do
you think of Drake? Lindsay so, then Burnsy. The other
part of it was burnsy and I had said, I'm
going to try to do like a stream yard like
we're doing now for people that are watching the YouTube.
Let's just try to bang out, you know, ten or
fifteen minutes and BEFO before I get on the plane.
Maybe because there were two planes for this trip. The

(01:15:03):
team was on one and then they had some staff
members and us on a second plane to give people
more room, which we all appreciate. It was great, but
that was kind of getting pair shapes because Burnsy had
to work. I wasn't sure when our buses are leaving,
and then our buses were getting out there at the
same time. I had told Burnsy, I think we're in
good shape if you want to get back to your hotel.
Then Burnsy's like, well, now it's like my uber's a

(01:15:25):
little late. It's gonna be one twenty. Bottom line is
I did record the stream yard with Burnsy next to
the airplane on the runway, and it obviously is not
gonna sound great when you've got two jet engines bearing
down on you while you're trying to ask Burnsy what
he thought of the third and seven play call. So

(01:15:46):
I guess what I'm saying is I'm sorry we tried
so hard for all of you that it was so rough.
I could have just punted and said, let's play Fox
Sports Radio. But we know people like to hear what
Burnsy thinks on Saturday morning at eight fifteen. So next time,
rather than think ahead and try to do our best,
you guys are on your own if it's not good
enough for you, if you didn't appreciate that effort at

(01:16:09):
that would have been three thirty Central time in the
morning to record that, get it emailed in, by the way,
because Sun Country doesn't have Wi Fi, couldn't work on
the plane. It all had to be done before. So
I guess what I'm saying is I'm sorry for trying
so hard. Everybody that wasn't didn't love how it sounded.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
You go the extra my own. You get dumped on
for doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
We tried our best, and now, like you said, I
don't think we'll have one after Rutgers or Ohio State
because of the vikings.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
Yeah games, and I'm not doing and recorded one this time.
Screw off everybody. Now, I will say I got it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:44):
You are just you are like you are scorned.

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
No, I'm actually fine, I get it. We tried it
didn't work, and I don't think Brent necessarily followed all
the instructions that were given to him. In my late
night text, I was a little loopy time from a
kfan producer to be I know, I will say, though,
And this is why I I'm glad we did it, Burnsy,
because I got a text from women's basketball coach Don Plitzewhite, who,

(01:17:08):
as you know her program mantra, one of them is
find a way. You know, whatever happens, find a way.
Things happen during the day and she listens every week
to go for football Sunday because we talk about it.
And she texted me and said, you know, on the
road recruiting way to find a way with your Gopher self.
I said, thank you, coach. Done get it? Yeah, you

(01:17:32):
get it. You understand that. Hey, they don't ask about
the labor pains. They just say deliver the baby, right.
I mean that's what I'm told. I just stood there.
But you know, sometimes it's never it's not going to
be perfect, but you got to you gotta land the
plane somehow, and we did our best. And I can't
help that there was a drunk cow student, you know,
walking with us pants down next to us, and I

(01:17:53):
can't help that. I kind of miss time things and
we could have done it a lot smoother had we
just banged I didn't see your tech Steezer burns e
when you said I'm going up to the press box
because my phone it was so late, it was already
in sleep mode, so I wasn't really paying attention because
we could have just banged it out right there and
we would have been no worse for the wear. But
that's the fun of the glamour. Now people think it's
all glamour all the time. That's the fun of this,

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you know, just winging it and find a way. And
now we've got a story.

Speaker 3 (01:18:20):
We'll change our best come October and we'll get this
thing ironed out. So it's growing pains the first time
around for everybody involved.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
Yep. And like today, I had to find a way
because my computer melted down, so if we needed a
parent a spare show, I had to do it on
my phone, and fifty people called me during it, and
so I vanished for moments at a time, and you
guys did a great job just carrying on like nothing happened.
What we do.

Speaker 3 (01:18:45):
He's the ultimate professional many people say that about him.
Plus now we know his phone's always at.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
One hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
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