February 25, 2025: CFP Update, Big Ten to Vegas?!

Chip Scoggins, Ryan Burns and Justin Gaard get back together to discuss the reports coming out of the conference meetings as well as the College Football Playoff Committee meetings. They also react to the news that Big Ten Football Media Days are moving from Indianapolis this year and heading to Las Vegas!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Glenn Mason said a long time ago at the University
of Minnesota. You need a Pair and a Spare.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Thank you, PJ.

Speaker 3 (00:05):
It is time for another edition of the Pair and
a Spare podcast. I'm justin guard from the fan. We've
got Chips Goggins from The Star Tribune, Ryan Burns from
Gopher Illustrated dot com. We are presented as always by
our great partners at Jack's Cafe. Make your reservations at
Jaxcafe dot com. Burnsy, is it too early to say
it's patio season? Have the last two days not been
Jack's Cafe patio season for you? I think they have been.

Speaker 4 (00:29):
As a Minnesotan, I will tell you I've been in shorts.
Sweatshirt and shorts season is what it's been. So we've
been taking the dog on the walk a little bit
more often now that it's bearable, which is insane to
go from ten days ago. Boys, it was negative fifteen,
negative twenty in the morning. Now as I'm driving to
go get a haircut, it's fifty three degrees. But yeah,

(00:50):
I mean, I'm walking into places and let me tell you,
the the older generation doesn't exactly understand why I'm in
the shorts. But you got to be able to appreciate
days like we've had this week.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
I would look at you if you had shorts on.
It's not shorts. It's not shorts yet.

Speaker 4 (01:04):
Oh it could be shorts.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Shorts, I will say. I went out it is shorts.
I just kidding. I went out with just a like this,
like a pullover on Saturday. I was like, this is
I get if our winners were like this, I could
handle this. I could. I can retire here.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
But yeah, we know you're on the way out.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
We know you're on if this is just the outlier, understood.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
My eight year old came up today, I think, expecting
a fight on what he was going to wear to school,
and I just said, no, that's fine, you can wear
a T shirt and pants on the playground. Relaxed, dude.
I'm not I don't always tell you no, Okay. It
just feels like.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
That, Well, you are the uptight one of the three
of us, and I assume that applies back there in Minnetaka.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
I am an uptight dad. I am the disciplinarian, believe me. Yeah, there,
I I'm the one that kind of has to keep
the train on the tracks on the discipline, unfortunately, So
I'm nobody's friend in this house. I can proviously that unfortunately,
because I'm a good friend, I think. But my kids
will never know.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Let the kid wear a hoodie and shorts's school. That's
like the attire this time.

Speaker 4 (02:10):
Of You're right, it's true.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
And we all remember, you know, wearing shorts under your
pants so that your mom doesn't know that you were
going to take the pants off immediately when you got
to school. I was a kid once too, all right,
I understand it. So I've got no problem with wearing
the shorts and the T shirt on the playground and
it's fifty degrees You're out there for twenty minutes. I
don't think frostbite's going to be an issue. So just
you go, do you.

Speaker 4 (02:32):
I'm not a parent, and this isn't fan dads, but
I will tell you, as you two know, it's not
your job to be their friend for the first eighteen
years of their life. That's true. That's the next phase,
and that's where my father is among my best friends.
But for the first eighteen years you got instill some
things in them. Boys.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
Well, it is funny how you're learning more about your
dad's life now that you are a friend, like, I
feel like I learned more about your dad's life than
you even knew just hanging out in North Carolina.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
I don't even know.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
Yeah, we were best buddies within five minutes. It was unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
You have that.

Speaker 4 (03:04):
Effect on people. Many people say that I do.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
I do.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
We did learn over the weekend that all three of
us now have a Rochester traveling basketball journey. Chip as
a father, Burnsy as a player, and now me as
a father. That's I got lucky with the Gopher women's
basketball schedule that there was no game this weekend.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
It was all there bye week, so I.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
Was able to fully immerse myself in the whatever they
call it the Rochester Basketball Classic, where the fourth graders
at Minnetonka took over the Fairfield in in suites and
Rochester beautiful property, wonderful staff. Our tournament when I was
growing up and they still do. It was up in
Saint Cloud when I was playing traveling basketball. We took
over Saint Cloud. Now Rochester is the place to be.

(03:45):
What a what a ride, guys, as you know, Chipper,
what a rise picture? Speaking of fights, No, you can't
swim for ten minutes before we go to the next game. No,
you can't run around the hotel with your entire team.
I don't care that everyone else doing it, but we
gotta we gotta get ready for Byron tomorrow morning.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
We gotta get eight am.

Speaker 4 (04:05):
Yeah, we got to get ready to take Byron on.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
Well, we always did it up big, so I coached
both my boys, so I probably did Let's see, there's
there are three grades apart, so I probably did it
seven eight years. Yeah, maybe nine years fourth through Yeah,
probably probably seven eight years. And east Ridge always had
the earliest, uh spring break, so our spring break always

(04:31):
fell over the state tournament. So we always treated Rochester
as our last tournament of the year. That was, I
wouldn't have rest of Paris to not go to spring
break to you know, stay home and play fourth grade
travel basketball.

Speaker 4 (04:43):
So so we always hold on.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
That's why east Ridge doesn't have as many banners as
something school. Right, some of us understand the commitment that
it takes to be the best.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
What's your commitment? Yeah, exactly, So we always treat Yeah,
we always treated Rochester as the end of the year.
We always had our end of the year cell ration
there and you know it was fun. I loved it,
you know, I mean a lot of teams and and
and a sneaky a sneaky benefit of it. No admission
price for parents. You get in all the you know,

(05:13):
the games for free. So that was nice, say your parents, no,
you pay for a hotel. But ye, yeah, I always
I mean it was always fun for me. Uh kind
of our last thing with the kids. And chaotic in
the hotel could be chaotic and why can't we stay
out at you know, fifteen more minutes running around doing
whatever they do in the halls and you know those

(05:33):
funny to.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
Hear you guys talk about it with like, I remember
doing those exact same things, tart and traveling basketball, running
up and down the halls, trying to hit the pool
as much as I can, which shout out to Mark
klingsporn Tartans basketball, my farmer coach, seven hundred victories now
for the Tartan Titans. Love my two memories. You guys
are gonna find this funny from that Other than just

(05:54):
running around were there were two significant sports moments that
happened that I remember sitting in the hotel with my
boys and talking about it was Antoine Winfield got signed
as a Minnesota Viking, which then we broke down as
ten year olds sitting in the Rochester hotel room. And
then I remember waking up to play an eight am game.

(06:14):
I turned on Sports Center because I'm on the pullout.
That was my entire childhood was my sister would get
the other bed, my parents the other one, and I'm
always on the pullout because I'm the youngest. And it
was Malice in the Palace. Oh yeah, And I remember
turning it on and my parents having to explain to
me why ron our test is going into the stands
to fight people, which then that was the only thing

(06:36):
we talked about the rest of the day before we
take on Rochester, was it? John Marshall, Mayo, John Marshall,
lords you got you got a bunch of them?

Speaker 1 (06:45):
I always I always said this too, Like those poor
hotel staffs that week they're like, oh God, here comes
there's you know the stuff they have to put up
with that week, And yep, I'm sure they're saints for
hosting that many teams coming down from the Metro.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
Well, some schools do it different like some and they've
rented out like entire hotels for every program that they have. Yeah, yeah,
which does make it easier on parents if you have
a couple of kids and things like that, but it's
also complete mayhem and madness. We just did it by
grades this year, so it was just all fourth graders.
One of them didn't come down until Saturday. So and
thankfully we have some parents that aren't free range on everything,

(07:29):
you know what I mean, Like, oh, yeah, go ahead,
we're just gonna bang a bunch of beers here in
the lobby. Go do whatever the hell you want. Like
i'd say we're a good mix of helicopter and free range,
like whatever the middle is. Like, we don't know everything
our kids are doing, but we're aware. We're certainly aware
if they're doing something that would not look good on
our community. And so you gave that speech a lot.

(07:49):
You're representing your community, you're representing your school. And they
already hate us, by the way, because we're a West
Metro suburb, so everybody here hates us anyway.

Speaker 4 (07:58):
That's anywhere you go, though, Metro guy, we all hate.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
You anyway exactly. And I've lived with it my whole life,
so I trust me. I'm like, guys, look they're waiting
for you to do something.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
They can all see from having to carry the weight
of such things. It's a burden, man, it's a heavy burden.
I've had to up my core strength just to hold
on to it. As you tell us in every pre
production meeting about you, not all heroes wear cape. So
it's just a blessing to be able to do things
with you.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
Justin what do we place? What did we bring home
any hardware?

Speaker 3 (08:26):
No, they got six they which we were happy about.
They not that anybody cares, but we we did end up.
We ended up losing. A shout out to Byron. Uh
we were three and two in the tournament. Byron had
two teams and they took us down both games. Each
of their teams beat us. So shout out to Byron. Good,
good kids, good program. We did knock off a team

(08:47):
we hadn't beaten all year, so it was like, you know,
it was like an epic. I mean, it's there's nothing
like seeing a bunch of four s boys basketball players
just acting like the Timberwolves.

Speaker 4 (08:56):
Did last night beating Oklahoma City. You know, because what
was it nineteen to seventeen, close.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Twenty two to twelve, twenty two. Wow, it might have
been twenty two to fourteen. They might have gotten some
garbage points late to make it appear closer, but no.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
But it is fun.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
You know, everybody that's listening to a parent knows, like
the kids like the whole day when they knew that
that night they knew they were playing this team and
they hadn't beaten them all year, and twenty two to
fourteen is like an explosion for those two teams because
they played them last weekend. Where was I women's game?
I came up and there was like ten minutes left
in something. It was six or four. I assumed it

(09:33):
was the first half. Oh no, no, no, it was
it was the second half.

Speaker 4 (09:38):
And so we've had some magical moments. You two are
never going to forget our Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
So it was fun because the kids were that to
chips point that we had the state tournament this week,
that was their state championship game to knock off the
team that they'd beaten, had beaten them four times, and
it had just been rock fights every time, and they
really came together and played well, and it was fun
to see him cheer for each other and good teammates
and everything like that.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
I don't think any of us.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
Have illusions that, you know, Mike Grimm is going to
be calling their games at some point. So we're in
it for the life lessons. We're in it for the
life lessons, and I think we learned a few on
whatever day that it was Saturday, It must have been Sunday.
All right, Well, I'll do a separate podcast on the
state basketball tournament for traveling.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
But good memories?

Speaker 1 (10:22):
Have you? Have you been to a state travel coaches
seating meeting?

Speaker 4 (10:27):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (10:28):
No, I don't think we have to. I think I
think the computer kind of handles that for us at
our level.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
I've heard the last thing on I'd heard the horror
stories about it. Well, there was one year we were playing.
I can't remember why, but we're playing in it, and
you know, coaches in good luck to you can't wait
to see. So we go in there, and of course
nobody wants to be in the top thing, right right,
nobody wants to We're not that good. We have injuries.
This team beat us too.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
We have injuries.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
I mean, so it was the best A guy who's run.

Speaker 4 (10:59):
Johnny has a cold. Yeah, much sleepless.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
There was great. The guy who was running it says, okay,
I want you to take out a pen and paper,
write down this number. That's the number of food. A
guy I know who makes trophies, you can call them
and get trophies for all your guys. He's like, listen,
we're gonna be here all day if we if we don't,
you know, get I love that. It was it was
the best like that put it into it right then,

(11:23):
like okay, then it fell in line after that, so yeah,
I love but it is. We all want to we
all like winning.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
But yep, just go play. Yep, yeah, yeah, just go play.
I had to do that for high school teams when
I was a high school coach, and you do you
see people try to set up semi final matchups and well,
we're not this good and I'm like, okay, you are
or you're not forty early. Yeah, so we I had

(11:50):
to do that, you know, fifteen years ago. And you
just sit there and watch them, you know, kind of
figure out how they can, you know, make it to
the section semis instead of the section quarters. It's always something, yeah,
it's always something, all right. Speaking of playoffs and speaking
of seating, should we talk about the developments in the
college football playoff expansion that we think is going to happen,

(12:11):
and they've got lots of meetings. The Big Ten in
the SEC had a few meetings what a week or
so ago, two weeks or so ago, And because they're
running everything right, anytime there's a meeting about college football
playoff or March Madness, there's a meeting to the meeting,
there's a pre meeting where the Big Ten and the
SEC get together and go, well, we want to do guys,

(12:32):
what are we gonna tell them?

Speaker 1 (12:34):
This is what we're gonna tell them, what we're gonna do?

Speaker 4 (12:35):
Yeah, what are we gonna tell them? This is what
we're gonna do.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
So I think this is in one of Burnsy's favorite towns,
New Orleans, right is where they're gonna have this whatever
it's called.

Speaker 4 (12:45):
It might be happening right now. Hang on, I got
to pull up my story here. There is another set
of meetings happening this week, and I think the other
one here happening today on Tuesday.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
Yeah, I don't even know what day it is, unfortunately,
So they did meet in New Orleans last week, and
we're starting to see different changes and different options. First
of all, let's start in the in the far far future.
It sounds like the big ten in the SEC they
want to expand big time, right and take it to sixteen.
They want four automatic bids for each team or each conference,

(13:16):
and then SEC Big twelve. I'm sorry, ACC Big twelve
would get two. You're gonna have to help me with
the math, Burnsey.

Speaker 4 (13:22):
So that's I think they're trying to get to fourteen.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
Fourteen, ten, fourteen, and then Notre Dame get one, and
then one.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
For that, one for the group of five Notre Dame would.

Speaker 4 (13:30):
Get and then one at large. Yeah, fourteen, you're right
Notre Dame.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
H yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
And so the headline is the big ten in the
SEC want four automatic.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Berths four They went half the field they want.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
So let's start there. What do we think about that?
How do we feel about that? Are we surprised by that?
I'll answer the last one first. No, I'm not surprised
that the big ten in the SEC are trying to
dominate this thing. But that's what they're trying to push
right now.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah, we're not surprised because they make you know, they
run the world. I think most years you would probably
land in that spot anyways, but I saw a quote
and I can't remember who was from, and I agree
with it. Like I think I said this before, I
don't want it to turn into the ACC Big or
SEC Big ten shootout. You know most years, right, you're

(14:24):
gonna have three or four teams from those two conferences
to get in there. But uh, that just seems like
a lot. The half the field has to come from
two conferences. I mean it is, but the world so
they're gonna get what they want.

Speaker 4 (14:36):
You've been looking at this past season. You got four
Big ten teams in because you had Oregon, Penn State,
Ohio State, Indiana, you got Tennessee, Texas, and Georgia. I
almost wonder in the back of my head how much
of this is just because Alabama didn't get in and
they were the first team out, and everybody over there
wants to raise a kerfuffle about it, because if you
do expand to fourteen and you say hypothetically that this

(14:58):
structure would have been employed, all right, well, it'd have
been the same four Big ten teams that would have
gotten in. Alabama would have been one of those teams in.
I think the at large would have to have been
Notre Dame or if Notre Dame count as a part
of the ACC one.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
No, they would be at large because they're not ACC conference.

Speaker 4 (15:18):
So I just I'm with Chip in the aspect of
we all are already well aware that the Big Ten
and the SEC run college football and that's where the
likely spot is that your college football playoff champion is
going to come from. But do we really need all
of this consternation because all of this, all these talks
are trying to have this week the Big Ten in

(15:39):
the SEC try to have them implement it for the
upcoming season, and if they don't get their way, guess what,
they're just going to do it in twenty six when
all of the television contracts expire and then the Big
ten and the SEC get more power. But I just
I don't understand why this is kind of the hill
that the Big Ten and the SEC you're willing to

(16:00):
choose to die on to get these two extra teams.
But you guys tell me if I'm wrong.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah, it's all about money, right, And I mean if
even if you said three, I think you know because
most years, don't you think three Big Ten and three
SEC teams are going to be yes worthy yep.

Speaker 4 (16:20):
Like, do you think, and this is the exercise, do
you think the Alabama team that got left out, who
is number thirteen in the College Football Playoff rankings, would
have made it into say, the final four in all matchups?

Speaker 3 (16:35):
Imagine eventually, I'm trying, I'll be honest, guys, I'm trying
to remember who was even in the playoff. I might
have to because well, SMU, Penn State, you had, you know,
Boise State was in there, Arizona State was in there.
I'm trying to I'm trying to think who Alabama would
have replaced Maria would have been SMU.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
Probably mean that's the thing, Yeah, because SMU got the last.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
One, they got the last at large.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
Yeah. I mean. The thing is is like I was
overly impressed with Penn State when near here that night.
I didn't think, oh my gosh, this is a you know,
semi final playoff type team. But they got favorable matchups
in the in the in the playoff and won those games.
So it's could Alabama donnet Yeah, they got the right
favorable matchups, but I was I was on board. I

(17:19):
think we all said I wanted to see s the
SMU in there. I wanted to see something different. I mean,
that was the whole idea for me is make it
more inclusive, get more new faces in there if it's
if it's possible, and so.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
Now let me add this though, let me add this,
because the the expansion can't happen until twenty twenty six,
like the big ten in the SEC control what happens
starting then twenty twenty five. The only thing they're trying
to do is alter the seating, which we'll talk about
in a second. But part of what the SEC is
saying is, you all want us to play nine conference

(17:55):
games like everybody else does. You all want us to
get rid of that second to last November game before
we have all our rivalry bit everybody wants us to
play to keep our out of conference rivalries that we
might have in state right, and get rid of some
of these buy games. We'll do that if you guarantee
that when we do that, we're gonna have a little
bit of protection to have four spots there. That's I

(18:19):
think what they're trying to give to. Everybody wants this
nine games, we'll do it, but that's a game we
could possibly lose, that might and again alter our positioning
or alter our seating or whatever it is. I don't
hate it as much because I think most years it's
probably gonna end up like this anyway, Like I think,
I just think most years it's gonna end up where
you're gonna have, You're gonna have more than half the field,

(18:41):
be those power teams, especially where it's going with revenue
sharing and the way these leagues are just leaning in
and have the best coaches and have the best and
you know how much they spend on everything. I don't
hate it necessarily. Obviously, you do want a little bit
more wiggle room when you can for the cinderellas. But
I don't know if it totally eliminates that possiblity.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
Yeah I would. I would like to see, you know,
could you get away with three guaranteed and more at largest?
Two more at largest? I just one at large, and okay,
that's probably gonna be Notre Dame. How many nine percent
of the years, I don't know. I mean, I guess
they could fall back, but sure so, if you if
you're saying one is a group of five and one's
at and you know one at large, well that's probably

(19:20):
gonna be Notre Dame. So that doesn't leave what if
you have three really good ACC teams right then they're
gonna get squeezed out probably, you know. So I think
I'd rather see a little a few more at largest
and guarantee three if that's is that that's the bottle, right? Four?
Four one yeah, two two one one yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
I just don't understand if you're the big ten in
this scenario. And to your point justin if the SEC
is going to agree to go to nine games, why
would you like, what are you giving up as a
big ten because you're already at nine? Is this the
compromise you have to make to have the SEC go
to nine kN his games? In your mind if you're
the big ten.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
Well it is and probably the SEC bias that we
deal with every time, like everybody just assume, like guaranteeing
the big ten four I think is good because that
I think because there might be years where it's not.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
This year it was kind of easy. You know.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
Indiana was right on the fringe, right, I mean, there
was talk about Indiana if they don't win or what
do we do with Indiana if they lose a game
or two? And I'm not saying they should have been
in or shouldn't have been in, But that was very tenuous, right,
didn'ty end up being the ten? They ended up being
the ten seed, I think and having to go to
Notre Dame. That could be wrong on that. Again, it's March.

(20:35):
It's almost March, and I can't remember yesterday. But I
think it just protects you from the SEC bias in
a way, because we know that train never stops.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
Right.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
The national media loves to tell us how good the
SEC is on everything. And put this team in the
Big Ten, how would they do? Put this team in
the SEC? How would they do? I think it just
gives you some protection because this I think was an
interesting year for the Big Ten. You had the blue bloods, right,
you had yeah, Ohio State, Oregon and obviously Penn State.
Those are expected teams to compete for a playoff every

(21:06):
single year. Having that fourth spot was Indiana and that guarantee,
you know, if you had the four, you guarantee that
a team like Indiana, when they make a run like
they did, has a chance to get in there.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
So I think that's would be what it would.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
Well that that's it one hundred percent, Like if you
if you say, hey, here's four guaranteed, Well that eliminates
the committee picking apart somebody's schedule and saying well, Indiana
had it. They didn't play anybody like they had a
soft schedule and they took advantage of it. But they
you can look at X team from the SEC and boy,
they had to play a tough schedule in all this
and they had maybe a loss or two. So that

(21:38):
you know, if you can lock into four, you have
absolutely do it. And I think part of the discussion too, right,
is that they're going to have more crossover games between
the Big Ten and SEC and a non conference.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
That's what they keep talking about.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
You keep hearing that, yeah, if you get you know,
if you I mean, TV obviously would love that you
get more marquee games at the non conference that you
can put on in prime time.

Speaker 4 (21:59):
So we're just one year away, aren't we? From Mississippi
State and Minnesota starting they're.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
Two year deal? Is that twenty twenty six?

Speaker 4 (22:06):
Yeah, in twenty twenty six, Mississippi State comes up here,
and then in twenty seven, Chip's gonna lead the parentis
Spare podcast group all the way down with creative Charters
start to build Mississippi and we're gonna find ourselves with
cow Bell. Baby.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
Well, Nebraska just backed out of the home and home
with Tennessee because they wanted more home games. So maybe
the Gophers can sign up for that one. Baby.

Speaker 4 (22:29):
Imagine paying a million dollars and having that in the budget.
Just can't. Well, the best part about that was your
athletic director Chip coming out and saying, no, it was
not a mutual decision. I love that, Murphy.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Yeah, yeah, you should say make it.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
Clear, make it clear, like they didn't want this. I mean,
now they got to scramb on and find somebody to play.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
I don't understand that at all.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
By the way, I don't either side.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
It's like, no one just go play them. What a
fun opportunity it is for your your fans to have
Tennessee coming because that was a home and home right.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
Yeah, yeah, hope.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
I mean that's what everybody should we all everybody wants
that except the coaches, and I guess they'll say, well,
we get fired when we lose it.

Speaker 4 (23:06):
I don't think you do.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
Not games like that. You get fired when you lose
the You know, you don't make bowl games and you
have bad loss, you know, not when you're playing a
team that's you know, like that from the SEC you know,
a playoff team. No, I mean so strange, it's absurd,
I know, especially in today's day and age, when we
were talking about, gosh, we gotta cut this, we gotta

(23:29):
cut that, We gotta you know, tighten the belt because
we got you're just gonna pay a million bucks to
get out of two football games.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
I mean, yeah, well, there's some schools that have the
money is no issue. We've talked about it, right, I know.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
But still that's if I'm Joe Public and I see
the schools just write and checks for a million dollars
not to play a game, you know, but hey, give
us all that in IL money. We need that in
IO money. I'd have a hard time reconcile on that.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
I agree, I agree.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
I mean, you remember the chaos when you still got
out of North Carolina HU And the best part about
that was that then they ended up playing him anyway,
after all that, they ended up playing after eight hundred
thousand dollars. By the way, eight hundred thousand dollars in
like twenty thirteen. That was a lot of money, A
lot of money like, now we don't even think about it.
That's how stupid the money's gotten. Back then, it was

(24:16):
a big deal. And it's like, again, Jerry's not getting
fired because they can't beat North Carolina and so it's
oh my god, I mean PJ didn't beat him twice,
he didn't get fired. Like no one's putting that on
the on the sheet and going, oh wow, remember when
he didn't beat North Carolina those two years, Like no
one cares. It was fun for fans to go to

(24:36):
Chapel Hill, it was fun for North Carolina to come here.
It would have been awesome to have Tennessee and Lincoln
and vice versa.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
Some thing. If you're in Nebraska ban and you can
go to watch a ro game of Tennsee or and
because your coach wants another home game or whatever and
you don't want to a loss on your record, I'd
be like, what are we doing here? But back to
the you know, if they don't wind up getting four,
if the big ten sec, if that's what they want,
that's what they're gonna get.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
Well, and they control its straight up.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
So it's when at this point is it implemented this year,
which which is what they want to do besides the receeding,
which we'll get to, or are they gonna have to
wait till twenty six when they get all the power.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Yeah, I mean, I just I just think, I honestly
just think, you know, most years, three is pretty much
gonna be guaranteed. The fourth you could have a strong
argument with. So I don't know how much. There'll be
years where you debate it, obviously, but I just you know,
if you're if you're a pop up team from the ACC,

(25:33):
the a SEC has three really good teams one year
or the Big twelve, and you know Notre Dame is
gonna get the at large. It's you know, that was
gonna be hard.

Speaker 4 (25:47):
With that fourth guaranteed spot, like we've talked about Indiana
was that one this year, but previously if you go
back to the last decade, that could have been Iowa
Wisconsin again, you're gonna have two or three always kind
of be there. But your hope would be that now
that if when it does get past that there's four
guaranteed Big ten teams, you can be the fourth team
when you have a special season like they did in

(26:09):
nineteen to hopefully get in and see what you can
do from there.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
Yeah, so and like like Burnsy kind of reiterated twenty six,
it's I don't know how they work this deal in,
but the big ten sec are basically in charge and
the rest of the rest of everybody kind of has
to go along with it. And I do think it's good,
by the way, for you know, the other two to
have two guarantees, like there's not if you're a power four,
there's not so much pressure on your conference championship game.

(26:34):
And again you're not anything that can take the ambiguity
out of what's going on in that room, the selection
committee room. I kind of like it, and and I
think it would by default kind of eliminate the weekly
ratings that we talked about so much that they backed
themselves into corners because you just look and go, who's
who's going to be the top four in each conference?

(26:54):
Who's going to be the top two in each conference?
Every conference? That's decided on the field. So there's very
little you know, wiggle rumor gray area there, which is
good now for this season twenty twenty five, and everybody
talked about this, they're basically trying to eliminate. They're trying
to go to just straight seeding as opposed to if
you win a conference championship, you're going to be the

(27:15):
fourth overall seed or the top four overall seeds. We
saw what happened with Oregon, you know, you know, we
saw how they get a bye and then have to
play Ohio State at the Rose Bowl, right' that's a
tough one. They just want to go straight by the
committee ranking, so there is some gray area that will
sift into there. But I think this makes sense. It
doesn't sound like though. I think it does have to

(27:36):
be unanimous with all the with all the different powers
that be, whoever votes on this. I think it's like
a ten person panel, and I don't think there's a
lot of momentum. The smaller schools. Arizona State doesn't want
to do that, Boise State doesn't want to do that, right,
the smaller conferences, they don't want to They don't want
to give that much power and just go, yeah, you
let us know what the orderism will go. But I

(27:57):
think we all agree that's probably how it should be.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Well, it makes no sense that if you're going to
go by the committee's rankings and they have a team
ranked eleventh, for them to get a three seed in
a bye I mean that that just because they want
to inferior conference. I mean, that doesn't make sense. So
I see why they would resist it. But you set
up some weird matchups and and and teams got Oregon

(28:23):
got a brutal draw. And am I right? Did all
four teams that got to buy lost? Right?

Speaker 4 (28:34):
Yes? Arizona State, Arizona State, state in Georgia.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
Yeah, Georgia is an interesting one because but three or
four even is a lot, and they don't get a
home game.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
You know, they didn't get a home game.

Speaker 4 (28:48):
So that's where that's where the Boise State got. And
I'm reading Brandon Marcelo from CBS Sports his article about
this is like a team like Boise State, and that's
where he got a quote from the Mountain West Commissioner Gloria.
I think Narvarez is Boise State got an eight million
dollar payout for making it to the quarterfinals essentially because
of that buy. Sure. Now, I think if you were

(29:11):
to have implemented this receiving Boise State would have been
hosting some sort of game, which would have been super
cool for Boise And then you're trying to do the
whole economic impact, the argument of what would that have
then brought Boise State compared to the guaranteed eight million
dollars Boise State would have hosted Indiana in the eight
nine game. That yeah, And so that's where just being

(29:34):
able to host again, I don't know how it would
have worked out dollars and cents wise, but I think
that's going to be the pushback from everybody in these
I say lower conferences, is the Arizona State and the
Boise States are going to be getting more more than
likely going forward, these guaranteed eight million dollar quarter final appearances.
Now it is kind of is what it is. But
then you have the opportunity to host some of these

(29:56):
games and you get I think, as we all agree,
more competitive games probably, But then we all say that,
and guys, I mean we we've talked about this for years.
Go look at every college football playoff back even to
when it was four teams. Like, the average margin of
victory in these games, even if it's one versus four
to two versus three is like three touchdowns. So you're

(30:18):
trying to avoid it. You're trying to have games like
the Texas Arizona State game or the Penn State Notre
Dame game. Like, I understand what you're going for and
trying to get the most viable matchups, but it is
for a team like Boise State. I get the consternation
about it.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
Yeah, they're not gonna get eight million off a home game.

Speaker 4 (30:41):
You know, I don't probably not.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
I don't even know what.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
Yeah, given Ohio State, Ohio State makes eight million off
a home game.

Speaker 4 (30:49):
Well you're not gonna get the eight million. Guaranteed. You'll
still get I don't know, four million for hearing. But
then it's ticket sales, concessions, parking, economic impact in the ARA, YadA, YadA.
But again I get the consternation.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
So yeah, it's meeting season. So it's meeting season for
both you know, football and basketball, and obviously basketball having
are having meetings and rumors and they're trying to expand
the NCAA tournament, which that's going to happen to whether
people like it or not, it is going to happen,
and everyone's gonna be mad about it. We're gonna say
we hate it, and then we're all gonna watch it
and you know, and we'll see what happens from there.

(31:24):
But the more games they can have the more money
they can make that we just chip you always say
when does this thing end? When it ends, they just
make more games and try to figure out how they can,
you know, keep the faucet.

Speaker 4 (31:36):
On with the financials.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
So a lot of meetings talk about.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
If there's money to be made off TV, it'll expand.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
Exactly right, all right, we got a couple more things.
Anything else we want to talk about on this before
we pause? Quick come back with a couple other things
that were in the news, Big ten football and beyond.
We good with the playoff. We'll obviously be following it.
All right, let's pause. I was just taking a look
at the forecast here. It's forty eight on this Tuesday.
It's gonna be forty seven tomorrow, you know. Kick ahead,

(32:04):
it kind of goes down to the twenties and thirties
next Thursday, sunny in forty six is the time we
call Bill at Jack's Cafe and ask when the patio's
open for business. I can't believe you're not doing this
show from there today, Burnsy.

Speaker 4 (32:16):
With Well, I'm looking at Jack'scafe dot com right now.
They already got weekend brunch outside hours going up that's
how optimistic they.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
So it's already started, or they tell you this is
when it's starting, because I said we should call, But
you just went to Jaxcafe dot com.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
You're getting the answers for us. What a reporter.

Speaker 4 (32:32):
I know ten am to one thirty pm on the weekends. Now,
if you want to go out there in the fifty
degrees that are coming up here, hopefully I'm here for it.
Man to go see them trouting the brook Chip's favorite thing.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
And it is the best patio.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
What a beautiful spot right in the middle of the city.
It feel secluded. You got the brook, like Burnsy says,
it's uh. You got the big window that looks back
in all the poor people that have to eat inside,
and you go, what's wrong with you?

Speaker 2 (33:01):
People?

Speaker 3 (33:01):
Come out here, enjoy the sun, enjoy the vitamin d
enjoy my kids trying to fall into the river, Enjoy
all of that.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
I've never done, bru. Have you guys done the brunch either?

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Absolutely?

Speaker 4 (33:12):
Oh the brunch, Yeah, the brunch is outstanding.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
Yes, we've done it all. We've done every.

Speaker 4 (33:18):
Full time brunch connoisseer. There with my lovely wife and
some friends. The mimosas there outstanding, the service there as
it always is outstanding, and the assortment of things that
I can put in my stomach, they're not lacking.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
I'll tell that.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
You don't get to look the way I look without
enjoying brunches at Jack's Cafe.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
Yeah, and even with my kids, who you know, every
ten minutes, their their diet changes what they like and
what they don't like. As you know, Chip, yes, depending
on which way the sun is and I like this,
I don't like that. I like whip cream. I don't
like whip cream. The beauty of the Jack's Cafe brunch
is you can make a million decisions, you can make
a million choices. There's something for every buddy. So that's

(34:01):
what we need to highlight here. That's what we need
to highlight that it is brunch season. It's always brunch
season for Burnsey. But if you want to have an
outdoor brunch, we're here man Jackscafe dot com to learn more,
to get the hours, and we can't recommend it enough.
It's just a perfect spot to do it before church,
after church, or do what we do, skip church and
just go to brunch. The Lord's not judging if you're going,
if you're skipping church to go get to Jack's Cafe brunch.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
God understands. He understands. So there you go.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
Make your reservations at Jack'scafe dot com or judging. All right, guys,
this is a tough one for me. Uh oh, this
is a tough one. We got to get real for
a minute. Oh boy, We've gotta get real because I can't.
I know, and a lot of decisions have to be made.
And I know a lot of times when we knew

(34:47):
that the West Coast teams were coming into the Big Ten,
we knew that the historic Big Ten in the Midwest
it was going to expand. Right, We've had the East
Coast teams for a while, now we've got the West
Coast teams.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
There was going to be collateral damage.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
And if I had the ability to play some type
of funereal music, I would, But for the first time
in a really long time, the Big Ten Football media
days will not be in the greatest host city in
the history of host cities. I don't know how the
national media is going to respond to this. I'm not
sure they'll even come because there's no shrimp cocktail. You

(35:24):
definitely can't walk everywhere as this way, guys. The Big
Ten Football Media Days, it was announced earlier this week,
is moving to Las Vegas, Nevada, last week of July.
I think it's the twenty second to the twenty fifth.
They are thumbing their nose at a city that's been
loyal not just to them, but to everything that they've
ever hosted. And no one has ever hosted anything like

(35:46):
the city of Indianapolis. Thank God the Big Ten basketball
tournaments are back there so that people will actually watch
them starting next week. But I'll ask you both this,
if you can name, if you can say, with a
straight face, give me one thing that Las Vegas has
that Indianapolis doesn't. I might understand this decision, but for

(36:06):
the life of me, I can't figure out how the
Big Ten and Tony Pettiti and everybody else. The commissioner says,
you know what, We're gonna thumb our nose at the
greatest city to host events that has ever been put
on God's green Earth, and we're gonna move it to
Las Vegas. To Las Vegas, the floor is yours. What's

(36:26):
one thing that Vegas has that Indianapolis doesn't have? Guys,
I can't believe this.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Well, oh, I didn't know. Do they have a Saint
Elmo's steakhouse.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
They don't have Saint almost Well they might, I don't know,
there might be a Saint Almos somewhere.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
But do they have their shrimp cocktail that makes your knows?

Speaker 3 (36:44):
Probably not, because I've heard from what I remember about.
What I remember about Vegas is the food is horrible.
I just no good celebrity chefs have restaurants there. No
hotels for the high rollers have beautiful steakhouses or seafood places.
So good luck to everybody that's making this trip to Vegas.
I don't know what the hell you're going to do there,

(37:05):
and we're all going to be wondering. We're all going
to be sitting there, I think at the Mandalay Bay
going wouldn't it be nice to be at Lucas Oil
Stadium right now on the middle of a field, and
just knowing that we're like two blocks away from shrimp cocktail,
which apparently is the only thing that we all want
to eat, We're going to have some fomo. I think burnsy.

(37:25):
I don't even know if I'm going. Honestly, I'm so
disappointed that.

Speaker 4 (37:28):
As you can see here over my shoulder, it's the
in remembrance of Lucas Oil in Indianapolis, and I have
the candlelight vigil going in the background. I want everyone
listening to this or watching on YouTube to know our
thoughts and our prayers are with Justin Guard and his
time of need as the unofficial official ambassador for that
beautiful city that he has spent so much time and

(37:49):
in his life. I don't know how you're going to persevere. Well,
I don't know how you're going to do it.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
Forget about me. Is this the beginning of the end
for the Big Ten Conference?

Speaker 2 (37:57):
After anyone?

Speaker 4 (37:58):
People are saying that right now and thinking it at
this very moment in.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
Time, over one hundred years of a conference sustaining itself,
that they have the arrogance to say no to Indianapolis,
that they look at Indianapolis and everything that it offers.
Have you ever tried to walk in Vegas? Have you
ever tried to walk? It looks like everything's a block away.
It's like two point two miles. You know the plan
in Hollywood and MGM, they look close, They're not close.

(38:23):
They're not close. So to everybody in the National media,
you might want to start working out now. Okay, yeah,
get your steps in now, because somehow I don't know
how Vegas has sustained since the nineteen fifties and sixties.
I don't know how things have continued to come there
because I can't, for the life of me, figure out
what the draw is. But I just hope the Big
Ten survives this because there's been controversial decisions before, moving

(38:48):
media days out of Lucas Oil Stadium in downtown Indianapolis.
Just remember this late February twenty twenty five, when the
Big Ten started to die. We will go back to
this day when they thumbed their nose at the greatest
host city in the world.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
I was thinking that, you know, when you're covering a
team and there's a bad loss and you always say
remember this. At the end of the year, you're gonna
remember this.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
You're gonna want that one back.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
You're gonna you want to write this one down. This
is this is it.

Speaker 4 (39:15):
I'm trying to think if I had to set an
over under because now we're in Vegas terms, how many
coaches Big ten coaches are we in the forty eight
hours that we will be there. We're gonna see at
some sort of table playing. If I set the over
under at one and a half of the I would
see Big ten teams.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
I will say zero, because you're not supposed to gambleege,
You're not supposed to do a lot of things.

Speaker 4 (39:42):
In Las Vegas.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
I don't think they're gonna be so blatantly just bellying.

Speaker 4 (39:45):
Up to the playing five ten black hold on.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
They're not even allowed to They're not even allowed to
enter marsh Madness pools if you're an employee of now.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
But they can go to Vegas and bet Okay, Belamo's
a rap. He's he married a girl he met in
Vegas and I'm not judging. Yeah, and she's awesome from
what I hear. Yeah, Belama's a rap. So there's your one.

Speaker 4 (40:13):
So now it's I know some other big ten coaches
like you do big Vegas.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
Fans, what I mean. PJ loves Vegas. He's made no
bones about that. And because he likes the food, he like,
like everybody, Vegas has everything. For the record, I love this,
by the way. I know people are mad about just
it feels weird that a Big ten media day is
in Vegas. Of course, it feels weird. Everything feels weird. Yeah,
stop feeling weird. We were in Piscataway and Los Angeles

(40:40):
for conference games this year. I look like Chris Lindall.
Right now, my hands are stretched fully out here on
the ETU shannel.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
That's we're paying players twenty one million dollars.

Speaker 4 (40:49):
Everything is weird.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
So this should have like people should have received this
news and gone, oh, Vegas this year. That's interesting because
nobody it's not a fan event. It's for the teams.
The teams fly. They they usually come in the same
day or the night before. I'm guessing they'll come in
night before now for Vegas. The coaches are gonna certainly
want to coaches wives are gonna certainly want to come in, right,
So I think this is great.

Speaker 4 (41:12):
I hope it's in LA in two years. I hope
it's back in DC sometime.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
Like you have a nationwide conference, got you gotta pretend
that the West Coast teams exist. Can't keep making them
come to Indy to do everything. So I've got no
tongue in all jokes aside. I love this. I think
it's great. I would have been fine if they said
we're doing it in Los Angeles, it's no big deal.
So anyway to answer your question, Burnsy, we know we
got Bilama and that's just we need one and that

(41:38):
I think it's more like ten because again, they're not
gonna be sitting in the sports book doing futures on
their team. They're gonna be in the high roller room.
That would be a scandal. But they can certainly go
play poker or blackjack or pull.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
They can do that.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
Do you think there.

Speaker 4 (41:54):
Will be to your point? I think you're right. Is
there going to be? For you know, because I'm sure
they'll do this U three days, six, six and six.
Do you think that they will? At night? There'll be
Big ten poker tables behind like nine different barriers to entries,
so none of us slubs can be able to watch it.
I watch Fleco head to head with Brett Bielimo over

(42:16):
some Texas. All of them.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
Have all the coaches in there playing.

Speaker 4 (42:20):
They're trying to read each other.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
Dave Revsen providing the play by play on the Big
ten network.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
That'd be great. They don't make a spectacle of it,
It'll be absolutely it'll be fun.

Speaker 4 (42:33):
It was a big twelve media days out there last year,
like everybody's been there. I think Mountain West has been there, like.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
I know Pack twelve years ago.

Speaker 4 (42:39):
There every year, right, Yeah, I think it's great.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
You're trying.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
You've been trying to take over the whole country, So
go take over the country. Like we'll survive. INDI will survive.
I'm sure they're hosting a basketball regional this year. They
do every year. We know they've got the Big Ten tournament.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
So the whole notion of we can't have amateur sports
and even pro sports around Vegas and the I mean
that that ship has sailed.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
I mean that's over.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
I mean there's sponsoring, you know, like states have legalized batting.

Speaker 4 (43:08):
I mean it's not here.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
I think it's such a shock anymore. It shouldn't be.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
No. So this will be good and burnsy. You'll be
there for the whole trip.

Speaker 4 (43:16):
You think we'll get the four eight hour shot. The
question isn't me, and the question isn't you. It's does
this gets you to join your brethren? Randy Johnson out
there at the Mandalay Bay, I would love.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
It, but I can pretty much go out of limb
and tell you I don't think the starts your musicals
and two writers the big media days in Vegas.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
I think you're probably right.

Speaker 4 (43:38):
We can't get two to big ten media days, but
we can have five people down in Fort Myers to
cover the Minnesota.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (43:47):
London, yes, Vegas No, London, yes, yeah, Vegas no, Yeah,
that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
Yeah, I'm I'm interested. I mean, I'm curious to see
I'd love to see Chip in Vegas, wouldn't you though, Burns?

Speaker 4 (44:00):
Chip? Do you play or would you play?

Speaker 2 (44:03):
No? I don't really gamble either.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
I don't. I'm not a gambler. I've only been once.
I went out there, oh, I don't know, five six
years ago to uh spend some time with Randall Cunningham.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
Oh yeah, who?

Speaker 1 (44:18):
Uh you know? Former Vikings quarterback who's a he's a
pastor out There's a pastor at a big church there
right off the strip and his daughter was training to
be Olympian and he was coaching football. So I spent
about forty eight hours out there hanging out. I didn't
gamble once. Just not a big gambler. I'm tight with
my money, man, I don't. I don't like giving my
money away.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
I give my money away, but not for gambling. I'm
with you. I don't.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
We made a couple of bets when we were out there.
But that's the beauty of Vegas is you don't have
to you can show Yeah, ye, go to great dinners,
go to shows, just walk around. There's plenty of stuff,
there's plenty of hang by the pool chip where I
think you'd be worried in Vegas as it is a
place where no one has any.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
Concept of time.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
Yeah, end of the problem.

Speaker 4 (44:59):
As a guy who's I was looking for a clock,
I feel like you would be really anxious over what
time do I need to be there?

Speaker 3 (45:07):
What time is it now? How long to take? What's
the bus situation? Like that's where I I when I
saw this, and I thought of you. I thought, you
never know what time it is in Vegas because you
just don't really unless you're trying to make a dinner reservation.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Like I'm anal about schedules.

Speaker 4 (45:25):
About As he's rocking back and forth.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
Yeah, like like my nerves are kicking in right now
just thinking about like I can't just wing it like
winging it's not part of my DNA. I can't.

Speaker 4 (45:38):
Yeah, we've noticed to be I need to be so it.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
Would be talking about out of out of body for me,
it would be, but I would do it.

Speaker 4 (45:48):
We're gonna have to go look there, who's playing at
the sphere?

Speaker 2 (45:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (45:53):
Yeah, I mean there's the beauty of it is there's
always somebody there that you're interested in.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
It's just a matter of if you want to pay
a thousand dollars to know.

Speaker 4 (46:00):
Grim's already made dinner reservations for multiple nights already.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
I'm sure. I'm sure he has.

Speaker 4 (46:05):
Yeah, is he gonna make because you know he's big
eighties rock guy. Yeah, anything like that, So I know
he's gonna he's gonna buy some tickets and try to
get us to go to a show one of those nights.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
Yeah, you're right, You're right he is.

Speaker 3 (46:18):
And actually the first thing Grim had to do is
cancel his Saint Elmo's reservation because he already had that.
He just assumed, like everybody would that, why would the
Big ten give up that prime real estate of Indianapolis
in July?

Speaker 1 (46:30):
So are they still doing it? Three days? And in
uh five teams? You know, sixteen sixteen.

Speaker 4 (46:35):
I think it's the twenty second of the twenty fourth,
So I would imagine three days yep, sixteen sixteen, which
by the way is too long to be in Vegas.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
Yeah, the Guinea, theonem that's going the full run there.
Good luck to you, you know, that is the one
thing two.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
Nights is good. Get out on the third day. Yep.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
I will say, you know selfishly, just from a reporter standpoint,
that is one thing about the expansion that you can't
do it all one day or two days like we
used to do to love the old back when I
was on the beat. What do we have twelve teams
in the second day? We did in the Hotel ballroom
in Chicago, and the second it'd be from eight to

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ten am, and every head coach would just be at
a table and two players, and each player there'd be
three players. You could go sit down with Verryal rest
for two hours, or you could sit down there for
five minutes and go Paterno, then Mace, then Lloyd Carr,
then Kirk Ferris, and you could just hop around this
media room for two hours and it's like it was awesome.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
It was.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
Yeah, that was the tail end of when I jumped
in here. And they've done the podiums now as opposed
to the tables because they want to obviously get it
for TV purposes and have clips, and that's fine. I
think I've told you guys, that's actually my favorite part
of media days is that when the coaches are at
the podiums, because that is the old table setup. But
it isn't like we had a lot of If all

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of a sudden the table was empty, you'd have ten
minutes just whatever you wanted to ask the coach and
it could be on the record, off the record.

Speaker 4 (47:59):
It was great. It was it was great.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
You have to know the Yeah, we did the podium.
It's always the podium was the first day and he
coach would go up there for I think they got
twenty minutes and they basically list their depth chart. It
was kind of and then you'd get them off to
the side. That second day, he was like, man, you
could talk to and every team brought through three best players,
so it's like, yep, you can get the quarterback and
you could spend you know. It was great. I loved it.

Speaker 4 (48:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
He actually you actually thought you got to know the
coaches a little bit, uh more than just shouting out
a question in a podium. You know.

Speaker 4 (48:29):
Well you see that now with the NFL, right when
they go to the owners meetings in Phoenix, right, and Zimmers.
I just remember Mike Zimmer eating eggs and talking about
you know, yeah, John d.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
Philippo and things like that. Like it's more because that
used to be the tables. Now they're at tables, but
it's not a round table. It's a table. And then
everybody that wants to sit. Consider you know, Burnsy and Andy
Greed are alway standing because they're flexing their physical conditioning
on the rest of us.

Speaker 4 (48:54):
Many people say that about me, so I'm glad that
you noticed.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
I didn't notice, and I'm just sprawled out over a chair.
Just listen, you know, after a night it's.

Speaker 4 (49:01):
Saying no because you take notes during those.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
I do take notes during those. Yeah, I try to
be a professional. So anyway we'll do. We'll do a
bonus parent aspair from Vegas, provided I'm able to make
the trip.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
It's summer.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
Like there's been years where I haven't gone to media day,
you know, just because different things pop up.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
So we'll see. I'll do my best.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
Hopefully it falls on a day that I can go,
and hopefully Indianapolis survives, but more important, hopefully the Big
ten survives.

Speaker 4 (49:23):
How envious of Paul Allen, are you right now? And
the entire NFL media conglomerate that chip. How many Star
Tribune riders you guys got in India right now for
the Scout and Combine. I'm surprised you're not there?

Speaker 1 (49:35):
Three?

Speaker 4 (49:35):
Oh my gosh. Yeah, we can't get two to Vegas.
Three three people at the combine. That's malpractice.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
Well, I will say, I will say, we normally send two,
but we just hired a new writer, and so Emily
this is okay. Yeah, she to get to meet the
team and meet the execution, so it was.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
Yeah, she should go.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
This is the first time for that.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
I co signed on that. Yeah, but it's thick right now.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
I mean, anybody that follows, I'm sure you'll get shots
of the shrimp cocktail. I'm sure you'll nobody's nobody's hitting,
nobody's hitting their step goal because Indy is so walkable
that they have to find a way to get ten
thousand steps in because everything's just so close.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Like what I.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
Want you to be. I want you to when you're tired,
I want you to become on this the Chamber Commerce
at Indy. I want you to move to Indy, become
on the Chamber Commerce and make it your life's mission
to sell how great that downtown is.

Speaker 4 (50:30):
Well, you know what the one thing, the first thing
that he would implement in Indianapolis, it's at the airport.
And I think guards, you know, is exactly where I'm
going with this.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
I might but go ahead.

Speaker 4 (50:39):
Well they don't have clear for you, do they?

Speaker 3 (50:42):
They don't have clear You're right, yeah, how can you
be the greatest city in the world and you don't
have clear?

Speaker 4 (50:48):
In all honesty, like you've ever heard all these national
media members that love to play so much?

Speaker 3 (50:55):
Do you love sitting in a long TSA pre line?
Because they don't have clear like me a break? They also,
their airport has one restaurant, Harry and is Isy's. Yeah,
it takes forty five minutes to get in there. They
have literally one restaurant in the whatever terminal that is.
That's what I don't understand, Like everyone just raves about
all this, like the airport average, it's close to downtown

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because Indy is small, like this is a whole other
Like just I want everybody to know, like there's nothing
more group, no group likes to think alike more than
the national media. More than media in general, it's and
I even said this when I was hosting, because it's
easy to say Saint Louis is a great baseball town.
It's just easy to say that. Everybody loves saying great
baseball town, unbelievable baseball. You want baseball, you go Saint Louis. Like,

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it's just easy to say that. I've never been to
Saint Louis. I've probably said that fifty two times. I
think I went to Saint Louis once actually, now that
I think about it, But it's just easy to go, Ah,
Indy's so great and the steak can shake, and oh,
the slippery noodle bar, and it's like every town has that.
Every there's some cities that shouldn't host. That's that's the problem.

(51:56):
Indy is a good host city, but because other cities Houston, Dallas,
I can go down the list shouldn't host things. But
do Indy stands out like it is Las Vegas or
London in terms of metropolitan pizaz because so many bigger
cities because they'll pay for it, do a crap job,
and it's not walkable and easy to get around and

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apparently doesn't have shrimp cocktail. So Indy stands out because
there are such and I've been to Oh good for
me a million final fours, so I know they're all.
I can pull stuff off from my shelves if you
want to go all the different, all the.

Speaker 4 (52:35):
Here we go.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
But it's just yeah, I forgot about the clear.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
But actually what bothers me more is the lack of
food because people want to have a Some people want
to eat at the airport. They're traveling, they want to
get out, they want to have something. They've got one
coffee place. The line goes four hundred people away, and
they have like that crystal IU red basketball. We're happy
for you, that's in that one store that you can
buy for like ten thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
And that's it.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
That's what I don't understand, Like it's not easy to
get in and out of because of all the stuff
that you just mentioned.

Speaker 4 (53:07):
But well, Chip already put a quarter in, so let
me double down. I have a heart out today. Let's
get out of here after this. The last time we recorded,
you got to say your piece that you knew was
going to get the masses upset about go for basketball
on your take on how to fix it, of which
then resulted in like a six page thread I go
for illustrated about justin gay comments about Gopher basketball. How

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was the reaction and your email smoke signal carry your
pigeon Twitter mentions about your thoughts and feelings about go
for basketball.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
Me, Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if I
got a lot of Twitter. I don't really read my
Twitter mentions anymore. Yeah, like there's just not smart, nothing
really good comes out of it, and I certainly don't
engage back and forth with people. I'll say this, my
Twitter mentions did appear to be more on fire with
my thoughts on Hopkins and Wisetta basketball from a week

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and a half ago then, because that was the second
brush fire of the week. If I remember right, that
was the same week, right, maybe a week or so later. Yeah, No,
I mean it's like anything. People have their sides already
on Gopher basketball, and so I hear I probably would
hear from the same people.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
I did. Notice.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
It got a little buzz on your message site, on
your message board site, though.

Speaker 4 (54:23):
That was good.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
You're welcome, welcome to drive the content in February when
things are a little slow, You're welcome.

Speaker 4 (54:29):
So blessed to have you and be able to share
your content when you allow me to, you know well.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
And then god, I was feeling it was really haughty
after they go and sweep USC and UCLA, and then
I'm really peacockying. And then I'm at the Fairfield in
in Sweet's Rochester pool watching twenty fourth graders kill each
other before their game, and all I can all I
keep hearing is boomp boom from shots off the rim?
Can we turned the mic down at Williams Rena When

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the Gophers miss fifteen of their sixteen shots. I'm watching
it on the Fox Sports app.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
I'm like this.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
That's when I mentioned go wild. It was quiet on
the California trip. The mentions got a little louder once
they laid an egg to Penn State after being up
by nine midway through the first half.

Speaker 4 (55:10):
It's not bitter about that. I don't know what it's
more bitter about. Indianapolis just mentioned her and Gopher basketball games.
I get to go there a week from today, and
I Am going to lay it on thick.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
Believe me.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
Believe me, because it's been it's been about a year
since speaking of your message board, since your guy Luke
bwer put the Internet on fire retweeting that guy that
said there was a big ten tournament should never have
moved out of Indy. That started the whole bit. That
started the whole thing. That actually it started with Jeff
Goodman saying and media days that started it. And then

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last week just the accelerant because I know it'll be
packed for the Thursday eight nine game in Indy at
eleven o'clock whenever that is. I know that's gonna be
like a Caitlin Clark like crowd in any city, which
is still drives me nuts. We got we gotta cut
this off, so I'm gonna get too mad. We've all
got things to do, Our listeners got things to do.
It is brunch season.

Speaker 4 (56:07):
You know.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
A great place to get some serenity the patio at
Jack's Cafe. Even I can find serenity in the patio
at Jack's Cafe during a good brunch or just during
a lunch or a meal. That's where we first met.
Bill was out there on the patio. I think we
had I think I had a steak salad. It was lovely, yes,
So it's all good there.

Speaker 4 (56:25):
And make your reservations at Jackscafe dot com, Jaxcafe dot com.
Any final thoughts, boys, just want to wish everybody well
me especially thoughts and prayers with your guardsy in your
time of need. With with Indianapolis. I'm glad to hear
you get to go there in a week. I'm so excited.
I'm so excited. Maybe we'll do a special podcast from Indianapolis.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Who knows that.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
Although I might have too much to do because there's
so many things to do in Indianapolis, I don't know
if I'm going to find the time.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
Hey, quick teas before you go. We talked about this.
We'll share with listeners. We are going to plan on
having some former Gophers join us on here this spring,
So tune in next you know, get us through the
dog days of the college football calendar, and we'll share
some memories and some stories. And here's from some former

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Gopher players. We're excited about it.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
I love it. I love it. Good plan, good idea.
Like you said, we'll get us through the dog days.
Spring practice is right around the corner. Nobody knows what
an officially is and that makes Burnsy mad, So we'll
get him going on this in a couple of weeks.
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