January 2025: Barn Magic, Burnsie Bitter, Ohio State Money Problems?

Chip Scoggins, Ryan Burns and Justin Gaard are back and open the show talking about the vibe at Williams Arena over the weekend for Gopher basketball and how it relates to football. Gaardsy thinks he figured out why Burnsie was so mad about the delay in announcing Danny Collins as Gopher defensive coordinator. The guys react to the report that Ohio State actually lost almost $40 million last fiscal year?

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Glenn Mason said a long time ago at the University
of Minnesota.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
You need a Pair and a spare.

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Thank you, PJ. It is time for another edition of
the Pair and a Spare podcast. Yes, I'm justin guard
from the fan might not sound like him. We've got
Ryan Burns from Gopher Illustrated dot com and Chips Goggins
from Football Across Minnesota and the Star Tribune. We are
presented as always by our great partners at Jack's Cafe
Jaxcafe dot Com. I'll start with this, guys, as I
was storming the court Gophers Oregon on Saturday.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
Is this before or after your second pack of camel blues?

Speaker 4 (00:32):
Yeah? My parliament lights. Oh that sounds good.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
That takes me back, I do I should do like
the old newsman and just smoke a cigarette while we
do the show.

Speaker 4 (00:42):
I was born in the wrong generation.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
Maybe maybe I lost my voice because I was screaming
as the Gophers knocked off fifteenth ranked Oregon at the
Barn on Saturday at Williams. But as I'm walking up
and losing, my children have no idea where they are,
a couple of nice young gentlemen said, just gonna make
the podcast on Tuesday podcast. I said, I'm sure it will.
They said, I see chips here. He must be working

(01:06):
on a project. I said, he's always working on a project.
The Parent of Spare. Yesterday at the Target Center doing
the Skyway showcage, somebody came up, knocked on the glass,
said I love the Parent of Spare pod. I said,
thank you, sir. Tell a friend. So it's spreading, gentlemen,
it's spreading.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yeah, I got that too. I was at the game
a little teaser. I uh. I was hanging out with
Taylor HEISEI for a Taylor heise big.

Speaker 5 (01:31):
Piece, and obviously she's a longtime girlfriend of Parker Fox,
and she did like what she saw.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah, yeah, it was cool and kind.

Speaker 5 (01:39):
Of I don't let you read it, but but I
as I was standing after halftime talking to her, and
somebody walks by and asks me if my phone was
at a.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Hungry For.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Most people that have to stand by us, it's it
is awkward when someone asked me in front of my kids,
They're like, why did they care so much about your phone?
I can't explain it, buddy, I'll explain it to you someday.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
I know.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
I'm more distraught by right now, Chip actually telling the
public about one of his projects, which is very big
news for you. We're very proud of you, Chip. Yeah,
or the Melcon cigarettes Dad on top there again, his
camel Blues loses his children on top of the court.
We're just off to a rousing stuff.

Speaker 5 (02:25):
Well, this isn't so much a projects as we was
just kind of an offbeat.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Column.

Speaker 5 (02:31):
That's a little longer than normal column. But yeah, you
know it's a football podcast. But but we can talk
go for basketball for me, you know, I'm I'm I'm
happy for Ben Johnson and the team that I gotta
be honest. When it was oh and six and then.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
After that Ohio State debacle at the end, you're wondering
where this thing is going to go.

Speaker 5 (02:50):
And they showed some They've showed some toughness. They showed
toughness in that Orgon game. Oh yeah, there were a
couple of moments where organ made that run. I'm like,
all right, it was you know, yeah, they hung in there.
But i mean they made plays. Doscils great. And you
know this applies to all call sports, I think more

(03:10):
so in basketball with this transfer portal.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
When you're constantly remaking your team every year.

Speaker 5 (03:16):
I think sometimes it just takes a while for things
to come together and figure out who does what, well,
how do you play together? You know, it feels like
that team is figuring out how to play together a
bunch of new parts. And they've always played hard, right,
I don't think that's ever been like an issue.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
But I just think they're figuring it out how to
play together.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
Yes, yeah, I mean, especially when you're all, for lack
of a better term, for some of these guys one
year mercenaries, with changing schools every year, it's going to
take a little bit of time to figure it out. Now.
I think there were some times in that December January
stretch where I was watching going like, are they actually
trying as hard as they possibly can? And some of
the dul drums there. But they have certainly reversed course

(04:01):
here these last three games, and now they get to
face the team today who I don't believe has lost
a big ten game yet.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
They have not, ye know, the fighting Izzo's of Michigan State.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
They are back in the top ten, where we've been
since I was in eighth grade. You see this play
hard towel over here. I probably got it in that generation.
Izzo has been coaching since then. I was a seventh
or eighth grader when that dude started, and he's still
kicking it in East Lanson.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
Your third game ball behind you.

Speaker 4 (04:26):
By the way, Yeah, we usually get him in the spring.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Okay, it takes a while. It takes a while to
paint them. Takes a while to paint them. Yeah, I
think you're right, Ji. Well look at the Timberwolves. Like
I always say, the Timberwolves made the seismic trade. They
still haven't figured it out eight fifty games in. They're professionals.
It's like, what choice do?

Speaker 4 (04:44):
What chance do?

Speaker 1 (04:45):
A lot of these college teams have. And by the way,
Mike Mitchell was hurt for two months. Like, it's not
a program that can withstand a lot of bad luck.
I've said that for many, many years.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
And what year are we talking about with Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
Guys like Burnsy don't believe me. They just light up
the message board. It's and blah blah blah.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
You can't.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
They have a small margin for air. And by the way, yeah,
three transfers. We watched the tape from them. I'm thinking
about Fami and thinking about Lucaia and then obviously Frank
Mitchell like completely different players than they were two months ago.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah, Femi, you know obviously had a huge game their day.

Speaker 5 (05:18):
And you know it's funny like you watched them during
the you know, when they were at rock bottom there earlier,
like and I just don't know how much talent they
have on this team?

Speaker 4 (05:27):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Is it?

Speaker 5 (05:29):
You know, they're closed, you know some of these games,
and but did they just have to because I think
Ben was getting after him. There's one game where the
effort wasn't there, and you know it's like, is it
the effort or they just not that talented?

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah, they don't have enough talent. I just think.

Speaker 5 (05:52):
The other thing is, man, there's something to be said
about confidence and just for sure getting to win and
feeling good and and then that snowball man confidence is everything.
They just look not to say they're going to go
into you know, East Lansing and win the night, but
the last three games they just look like a more
confident team. When you can do that, your talent level
shows up a little bit more than when you're beating

(06:13):
down and everything's going bad for you.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
So anyways, that was a fun day at the barn,
And you know.

Speaker 5 (06:19):
I I've always been jealous since I've been here. I've
been here twenty five years, and I've never really experienced
the barn. And there's been moments I've been in there
a couple of times last year it's like, Okay, I understand.

Speaker 4 (06:30):
What you.

Speaker 5 (06:32):
Originals, all you old types, all you originals are you
Minnesotans are talking about? And I always wish I could
have been in there during the clam days, the good
old days, when that thing was rocking.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
And even that phrase previously just why.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
Phrase when the barn is rocking? That's just my favorite phrase?

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Yeah, I said that. The only thing people love to
talk about more than when the barn is hopping is
the nineteen ninety one Halloween blizzard.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
I can always bring back to that.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Guards. You would never argue with that.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
Yeah, but even you guys were talking on the pre
production meeting. I mean, Guards, you're driving in and you
can tell the vibe of what's happening inside the inside
the barn, YEP on the radio, and that was one
of those days where it was finally hopping into it.
I had listened to the game on RADO to Mike
Groom and you could even hear it from Parker Fox afterwards,
just talking about this is why I came back. You

(07:22):
said those exact words verbatim, was to play in an
atmosphere like this, and again you got to take the
small wins for a team.

Speaker 4 (07:29):
Like that, take them when they come. Yeah, it was awesome,
I mean, and it is. It is.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
You know, I grew up going in that building, right,
I've said it. I'm probably the last generation that truly
cares about it because I remember, like when you walked
in and there was an you walk up the steps
and there's that anticipation and the lights are bright, and
that the rafters are full, like I do remember all that,
but I'm forty two years old. Like like Chip said,
he's been here since what two thousand basically, and that

(07:56):
you've never really experienced it where every game fell. And
there's a million reasons why. That's what we've all gone
over them a million times. But crowds matter, I mean
we've always said it, and the student section really since
COVID for all the sports, for hockey, for basketball, and
certainly for football. I don't know if it's they've felt
left out, you know, in twenty twenty and twenty twenty one,

(08:17):
or certainly twenty twenty when nobody could go. But once
they got back into these buildings, it really does drive everything.
And we're seeing it. Hockey sold out this week, and
hockey's in a different spot. They're a top five team,
they're great, right, yeah, but they're sold out against Wisconsin.
They're student sections unbelievable. Football student section was great again
all season long, and so even when it's not full

(08:39):
like it wasn't on Saturday, they drive it and it
really does make a difference.

Speaker 5 (08:45):
Yeah, I mean, that's the point. You took the words
out of my mouth that started with the student section.
It was a great student section because you know, I've
been there for other games this season and just you know.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Some was because win or break they were on campus.
But the student section was great Saturday, and they set
the tone.

Speaker 5 (09:03):
No matter football, basketball, whatever, the student section sets the tone.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
And football's particularly done a really good job with cultivating that.

Speaker 5 (09:15):
You know, being back on campus obviously was the biggest
thing of it.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Even though it's not a long drive to the or
long whatever to.

Speaker 4 (09:22):
It, still had to get on a bus.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
I remember, you can walk across campus.

Speaker 5 (09:27):
Yeah, so but yeah, the students showed up Saturday and
that that just it creates the vibe.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
You know, it absolutely does.

Speaker 4 (09:35):
Well.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
I'll say this because I'm always on people about we've
we've talked about ticket prices forever and how they We've
all talked to Chip Burns. I don't think you were
part of it, but the infamous Norwood tigue meetings that
we all had when they were raising the prices. And
I remember being young at that point, probably shouldn't be
speaking to the athletic director like that, but going you

(09:56):
guys know this is a horrific idea, right like gardens
not gonna go over well, It's just not gonna go
over well right now, whether you think you're underpriced or not,
I'm just telling you it's not gonna go over well.

Speaker 4 (10:07):
I think I ran into you walking into my meeting. You.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yeah, that's what they did.

Speaker 5 (10:12):
Like they brought in different every outlet came in one
after another. And he had a consultant from somewhere. I
don't yes I was from. Yeah, it was a consultant
they brought and they told usis and I'm just in.
I told him, I said, Nord not gonna work.

Speaker 4 (10:25):
This is not gonna go over well, this is.

Speaker 5 (10:27):
This is gonna backfire. And you know he was saying,
this is the sign of the times.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
That's what college we have to do. We have to
be competive, we gotta do this. So I'm like, Okay,
good luck to you.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
They lost a lot of people there, and by the way,
I in the grand scheme of things, I appreciate the
aggressiveness because those guys did come in here and shake
a lot of stuff up. We know it ended horrifically right,
but there's no They finally just said we're building athletes village.
Whether we have the money or not, we're building it.
We're behind, we have to do it. So it wasn't
all negative, but I remember being like, this is just

(10:57):
not gonna play, mostly because it was is such a
dramatic increase so quickly.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
And the timing of it too was yeah, yep.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
They were coming off the Citrus spoil year, and even
though that had nothing to do with it, they had
been planning that for a couple of years. It still
doesn't matter because once the narrative gets set, Oh, you
go to one January, one ball, and now you're basically
doubling my tickets in three years. And they did it
for hoops, they did it for hockey. We saw what happened.
But the reason I bring that up is because you know,
Coyle was smart and pausing those when when he got here.

(11:28):
And then they've done a good job. And man, I mean,
I'm sure they're sick of me tell it talking to
them about ticket prices because I do it constantly. I say,
you got to give people a chance to say no
when you have tickets that are too expensive. It it's
too easy to say no. Now we're seeing it all
over the country. Look at the Iowa crowd. You know
last week, people are saying that was the worst crowd
they maybe ever seen. Now that building's too big. This

(11:50):
is also a whole other podcast, but like, you got
to give people the reason to go. I'm just not
gonna make it as opposed to, oh that's how expensive
it is, I'm not going. And the reason I bring
all that up is because my family was sitting, like
I said in two twenty three, where they usually sell
those discounted you know, twenty dollars tickets, sometimes fifteen dollars tickets.
They are awesome seats. I mean, yeah, we were towards

(12:12):
the top on benches in the corner, and I've sat
there for other things. I remember going to the state
tournament there like yeah, there are bad seats of Williamsreen
and if you're behind one of the pillars that are everywhere,
or you're too far under the overhang. But if you're going,
I don't want to sit in the upper deck. You're
right there, you're right on top of it. My kids
saw everything. My kids loved every minute of it.

Speaker 4 (12:33):
It was in.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
Those tickets are twenty bucks each, so my family five
one hundred bucks.

Speaker 4 (12:37):
You're in done.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
They started that last year?

Speaker 5 (12:39):
Was it?

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Last year they started those twenty dollars or fifteen dollars reduced,
And it was like, just get them in the building.
And I know, you know, the.

Speaker 5 (12:46):
Golfers are the only school that does this or the
other you know, the athletic team or whatever proteins do.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
I know there's that fear of you sitting down next.

Speaker 5 (12:56):
To a guy who paid two hundred and fifty dollars
for his ticket and say, hey, how you you know,
what do you spend on years all?

Speaker 2 (13:01):
I got it for thirty or whatever?

Speaker 5 (13:02):
Right, It insulted him, like why would I keep paying,
you have them, that's not gonna happen. They're not just right,
that's kind of a false narrative.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
I think you know.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
They're still paying for go for basketball tickets after the
last few seasons. They are.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
You got them, You've got them, you have got it.

Speaker 4 (13:20):
Haven't hurt them anymore.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
You can't hurt me.

Speaker 4 (13:22):
You can't hurt them anymore. You can't. You're right, You're right.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
And to their credit and now people, you know, oftentimes
they probably don't sell like I hope and dream that
they would sell. But you just I feel like you
just have to give people a chance at twenty twenty
five to to think about the big walk up and go.
Like I got a text on Saturday morning from someone
that said, hey, do you have any tickets? And I go,
I don't. I have my own, but if you want
to go, the get in price is twenty bucks and

(13:46):
they're like, I'll see you there. You know, like, because
you've got to give people a chance, and it does matter,
it really atmospheres matter.

Speaker 4 (13:53):
I go to all these big ten schools.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
You guys go to all these big ten schools, like
especially for basketball, even like the home court and the
home environment absolutely matters.

Speaker 4 (14:02):
So I'm glad.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah they listened a year ago because it was the
Michigan State home game a year ago.

Speaker 4 (14:06):
Where I just lost my mind.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
It was, yeah, I was, I lost my mind and
I but I just it bothered me so much what
I was seeing, what they were trying to get for
people and in the upper deck, lower deck, the whole bit.
I'm like, you can't charge people that much on a
Wednesday night at eight o'clock and expect them to show up.

Speaker 4 (14:23):
You just can't do it.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
I know why you think you need to, You just
can't do it. And we saw it. The crowd was
okay for that Michigan State game with a big I
think they ended up winning. I can't remember, but yeah,
I'm probably not.

Speaker 5 (14:37):
I remember writing a call about that because I looked
at stuff up or something. Somebody sent me a link
and look at what they're charging for these tickets and
like this, but.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
No one, no one's going to buy that ticket. They're
just not at that price, you know.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
So this weekend they had a big because I did ask.
I asked somebody. I said, because it was a great crowd.
The crowd was awesome, right, the best crowd of the
seat and I said how many people bought the discount
of tickets? And they sent me back a really nice
breakdown of this was part of a Black Friday sale.
This was a State Fair special. We also bundled it
with Women's Women had seven thousand on Sunday. Also best crowd,

(15:14):
awesome vibe, and again right from the jump that place
was ready. So I give them credit. I always want
to give them credit when they when I think they do.
And again they're not always listening to me or us
or but you have to try. You have to try
to get people in there and when they and it
doesn't always work out because Minnesotan's are slow to roll that.

Speaker 4 (15:35):
I don't want to do this.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
I got we're all busy, we got, you know, fifty
things going on every weekend. But I want to give
them credit because they really worked it to get that
game sold at a pretty good level, and they reaped
the rewards for it. The crowd was amazing and absolutely
helped them. Oregon got rattled.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
It was a matter, it mattered.

Speaker 5 (15:52):
Yeah, I thought Organs when they get dialed up there
at the end, I mean they took some hurried shots.
They you know the ball out of Yeah, so I
think it absolutely had an impact well.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
As Chip has rode over the years, a ranked team
just doesn't walk into the barn with that kind of
atmosphere and walk out with the win. The Star Tribune
has said that many times over the years. I think
you can you can validate that.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
Guards Have you, guys gotten have you done the deep
dive on the Iowa.

Speaker 4 (16:19):
Attendance problems yet?

Speaker 1 (16:20):
I know you like to cover things that don't happen here,
especially players that play. I'm sure there's a Minnesota on
staff somewhere down there that's from you know, Kimball or
something that we could talk about. Have we gotten the
deep dive on why Iowa was not selling any tickets?

Speaker 4 (16:33):
I'm sure I don't know.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
Game losing streak now four games.

Speaker 4 (16:38):
Yeah, they got run out of colloss too. It's not good.

Speaker 5 (16:41):
I'm guessing you can find fans that have some thoughts
on Fred at this point.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
Huh, yeah, you definitely can. All right, anything else Gopher
hoops related before we talk a little football. I got
a couple of things here to get to. We good
eleven o'clock Washington Tip. By the way, I'll be in
Los Angeles with the women. But uh, I told Ben,
I'm like, you need to do like bagels with Ben
or something. Get these kids out. Man, got to do

(17:05):
breakfast with Ben, booze with Ben. Get them going, because
that's a big one too, right, eleven o'clock game. You
got to wake up.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
Football games they have this pressure? Was it just the one?

Speaker 4 (17:17):
There were a couple you're gonna make me look you
can look?

Speaker 1 (17:21):
Well, all right, so let's transition to football quickly, and
Chip I figured it out. I figured it out to
crack the code. Last Thursday, I cracked the code. Well,
remember we've been talking for like six weeks about how
you Burnsy reported it that Danny Collins was the new
defensive coordinator, right, and everybody knew it.

Speaker 4 (17:40):
He's out there recruiting as the DC.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
We talked about it on the PARENTI spare basically the
second that Corey Headman left a couple of weeks ago,
we talked about it. We said, Danny Collins is going
to be the guy. And if you remember, Burnsy was
so pissy about, oh, they're never going to announce it.

Speaker 4 (17:57):
Well, I don't know what.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
All together guards we can't, God forbid, we announced the
defensive coordinator by himself. If we know the guy, but
we don't do it all together.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
He was doing it well and for some reason, you know,
when he gets his Minnesota passive aggressive end, heaven forbid
we have an announcement on the defensive coordinator because you know,
none of us know who it's going to be. But Bernsey,
you can tell, couldn't you tell? Was just eating him up? Yes,
you can tell, just bothering me. Well, I cracked the code.
I cracked the code last Thursday, and Bernsy, I'm sure
you know where I'm going.

Speaker 4 (18:25):
I had to look back here.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
January twenty third, last Thursday, one oh one pm from
Gopher Football, Collins name defensive coordinator Fleck announces changes to
defensive staff. So I get that email. I think I
even tweeted it at Burnsy like, you know, can you
chill now or something?

Speaker 4 (18:42):
I said, are you are you happy now?

Speaker 1 (18:44):
And then I looked and at one twenty three on
that Thursday, actually one thirty four, so thirty three minutes later,
Gopher Illustrated.

Speaker 4 (18:54):
Dot com The Rise of Danny Collins.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
That didn't take long from sleeping.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
In a storage closet to Minnesota's defensive coordinator by Ryan Burns.
It's like, that's why he was so pissy. You know
how it goes. He had the story sleeping in the
storage closet. He didn't want Greeter getting to it. He
didn't want Randy Johnson getting to it. He didn't want
Daniel House getting to it. He didn't want Cain rob
he didn't want Justin Gard, he didn't want Mike Graham, Chipscoggins.

(19:23):
Burnsy had it loaded in the draft and all he
had to do was add a couple of quotes and
a little bit of color to the story, as you
writers would say, and he fires it out. So do
you to the charges, Ryan Burns, that's why you're so
You were so I thought, unnecessarily aggrieved, But you had
what you.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
Thought And by the way, wonderful job.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
It's an awesome story.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
Great story. I didn't know a lot of that stuff.
And I think I'm gonna have Danny on the Gopher
Podcast next weekend. We're going to talk about a lot
of this stuff. So thank you for making my job easier.
That's why you were so bitter about the whole thing,
because you knew you had the ten out of ten
defensive coordinator profile from your new guy, Danny Collins, and
you just wanted to hit submit and get it out

(20:08):
of your drafts.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
I had had that thing in the hopper for a while.

Speaker 6 (20:12):
Yeah, I held that thing ready to go for over
a week, which before I get guys, they had five
eleven AM games last year. Yeah, I thought they had
like one before I get the emails and tweets again
like I did for last week when I said, uh,
Ohio State beat Oregon twice.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
Yeah, don't lost their mind.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
Yeah, I'm aware of we can't be perfect.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
Well, they had so many night games, That's why it
felt like that in the four night games.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
How many of those are on the road.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
Uh, Illinois, Wisconsin, ill Rutgers, Rutgers eleven, Michigan. Yeah, essentially
every road game was eleven AM. H. Yeah. The the
Danny Collins story is is just a good one. And
that's where I'm very thankful for being able to go
talk to him like three years ago to get the

(21:00):
those quotes where he was able to talk about things
like that.

Speaker 4 (21:02):
So you had that three You've been waiting, He've.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Vin sent on that baby for three years.

Speaker 4 (21:07):
You couldn't wait. You couldn't wait another week after.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
We scratching Claude to get the assistance in the spring,
because they do have some good stories to tell, that's true.
But for a guy like Danny Collins, who now I
feel old because I believe he's six months older than.

Speaker 4 (21:22):
Me, and you'll get over that quickly.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
Yeah, that's after the Gophers just offered Donovan McNabb junior.
What was your favorite Donovan McNabb moment? Was it throwing
turf balls during his time here in Minnesota?

Speaker 1 (21:37):
So it was when he fumbled twice against the Gophers
and Tyrone Carter housed him for a big upset in
the Jim Whacker era game. I was that that was
a night game Saturday and edit the Dome. It didn't
get much better than that.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
But Danny is just a story where I just think
you can get behind where there's no nepotism involved. I mean,
he's just a guy who made a lot out of nothing.
I mean, you talk to when I have put out
that store. I had some people from Western who worked
with him back in the day reach out and be like,
I can't believe he told you about those stories because
they're absolutely true. Where he'd be in the facility sleeping

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in a storage closet and then getting up to go
work the third shift, like packing trucks, just to make
it work because he was a volunteer assistant, ends up
working his way up the food chain, and now, at
the age of thirty two years old, he is now
the third youngest I believe defensive coordinator in power too.
So it's one of those things where, I mean, you

(22:33):
look across college football and so many times not about
what you know, it's who you know, especially maybe in
North Carolina. But it's one of those things where I
think Minnesotans appreciate the blue collar attitude of something like that,
where you just grind your way and see where you
end up. And again the Danny Collins thing is something

(22:54):
I think we all can just get by.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Yeah, I mean, may you know he used to always
say born on third base and think you hit a triple. Well,
this is the exact opposer, right.

Speaker 5 (23:03):
This is a guy who believed in himself, had a
passion for something that I'm sure there are people in
his life that probably told him he's crazy, Go get
a real job, go you know, this is going to
go nowhere. But he bet on himself, bet on his
work ethic, bet on his belief to be they could

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be a you know, a coach in this industry. And
I love stories like that where you're not giving anything
but you earn everything.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
So good for him, Brendsey, I cleared the timeline up
for me. So he started before PJ as a graduate
student or the first year that PJ was there at
Western Michigan.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
He started his time in the coaching ranks after pj's
first season he was at Western, but he was able
to watch the first season and get inspired by PJ.
Which I believe they are one and eleven. They were
twelve that first year. I forget what they were.

Speaker 4 (23:58):
How do you forget? PJ brings it up once a week.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
They were they were eleven eleven?

Speaker 4 (24:03):
Yeah, they were one and eleven.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
They were horrific. How's that putrid? Do you want to
keep me going on the adjective? How you're good here?

Speaker 4 (24:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (24:09):
For somehow he got inspired after watching that join them
as a volunteer assistant because they have anything open and
then just went from volunteered the graduate assistant to control
guy to defensive analysts. And that's where then the whole
Joe Rossi thing comes into play where Joe Rossi's the
failed defensive coordinator from Rutgers at the time, Danny Collins

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is like twenty six, never has gotten a shot. Those
two grow close together to the point where then when
I think it's Harris Simak left for Rutgers, Danny Collins
is the one who gets elevated because Rossi gets to
make that decision, and then the rest is now history
where he's gone all the way from the volunteer to
now at the age of thirty two, he's the defensive coordinator.

(24:52):
And they also hired him some help in Kevin Kine,
who is the Purdue defensive coordinator last year. He's been
a defensive coordinat for a while now, so you get
him a little bit of help as a defensive analysts
slash right outside linebackers coach. You guys don't want to
hear me rants again about what do titles even mean
in twenty twenty five with some of these guys, But again,

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you get somebody with experience to let him kind of
spread his wings like Greg Harbow did the last couple
of years, and we'll go from there.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
Yeah, speaking of Harbo, he tweeted out a great side
by side picture of the two of them, because Harbo's
basically the same story, right, I mean, he's a ga
under Fleck and just move works his way back, rejoins
him for a while. But the two of them at
Western Michigan and then the two of them, I think
on the field where was the Bowl game Charlotte at
the end of the game, basically going like, you know,

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this is where we started started together, and here we are.
That's pretty cool. That's pretty cool.

Speaker 5 (25:47):
Well, you know, I don't we don't need to go
down the path about assistant coach of salaries and all
that again. But I do think there is part of
Fleck that loves developing coaches as much as developing players
and finding these gas finding former players Winston guys that

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he kind of brings along in his culture or his.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
System.

Speaker 5 (26:15):
He doesn't like losing them, obviously, but I do think
that he finds some satisfaction in being able to develop coaches.

Speaker 4 (26:25):
And some of that's necessity, right, because of what burns
he always likes to talk about.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
It's from the outside the h say Joe Rossi's or
their Corey Heathermans. You know, they work out, but then
they also leave where like I believe from talking with
some people in the industry, Corey Heatherman is gonna make
one to five this year, one six next year, and
one seven the year after that. So he gets the
additional year and he's averaging one point six per where

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he was gonna make one point two here at Minnesota.
It's like, Okay, well, I can go hire a guy
on the outside and Flex actually had a pretty decent
hit rate outside of Robson than Mike Sandford. But or
I can I guess reward the guy who's been with
me since the days were bad and the days were long,
and hope that if he does work out, that they

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can elevate both Harboe and Collins from the worst paid
coordinators in the Big ten to a level in which
they would stay here at Minnesota and they actually can
get some continuity and some longevity at the coordinator spots.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Yeah, I think it helps to Yeah, he's got to
do it a little bit. But he's also now got
a track record of bringing guys through and there's a
lot of guys that have been with him a long time. Right,
Callahan's been with him forever, Matt Simon's been with him forever,
the defense, you know, was kind of you know, Rob Winger,
your guy had been with him forever.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
Decremento State's own baby defense.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
Is a little bit more of a revolving door because
that's not really what he's into, right, He's more into
the offensive side and has let guys kind of go
and do their own thing. But yeah, it's a I
do we tease Burnsey a lot, but he obviously had
that story in the in the chamber for you know,
basically half the decade. But it's it's worth going to
read because you do learn a lot about the new
DC and just why I think a window into why

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so many people have been high on him for so
long and why it was a pretty obvious no brainer,
especially given the timing of everything, Like this guy, this
guy deserves an opportunity to give it a shot. And
like you say, I think he's the third youngest defensive coordinator,
Like this is what's happening now, Like, yeah, you're either
getting the super rich guys that have been around forever.

Speaker 4 (28:20):
I want to talk about that for a minute, or.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
We're getting gyms.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yeah, you're getting young bucks that are getting their first crack.
And even at the NFL they've proven that they can
do a good job.

Speaker 5 (28:29):
Do you, guys Burnsey, you think this will be a
similar situation though, to Rossi and Heatherman, where PJ just
says that your baby, you know, run the defense and
if not, you know, what do you think they look like?

Speaker 2 (28:45):
And also get a sense of.

Speaker 5 (28:46):
Kind of what Danny's style will be, what his kind
of philosophy will be.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
Ragmatically what I can't see Fleck doing any more than
what he normally does defensively. Again, Fleck's entire background is
on the offensive side of the ball, and not to
say he doesn't know defense, but he doesn't know what
at the level that he knows offense. So I think
it will be Danny Collins's thing, and that's where I
think the Kevin kine hire is going to make a
lot of sense. For those two to go back and forth,
plus with three other assistant coaches, I think the hope

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would be this it would be a defense that has
Joe Rossi's details, where Joe Rossi, again we heard for
years talking to his players and just from different people
around him, one of the most detail oriented people you'll
ever meet. Collins was with him for many years and
learned that, but then you also pair it, I think
with Corey Heatherman's aggressiveness and kind of chaotic nature of it.

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So that would be my hope is with the pieces
they got coming back again, you got to fit the
scheme to what your player strengths are, and I think
they're cognizant of that.

Speaker 4 (29:44):
But with the.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
Defensive line they have coming back, with some of the
issues or unknowns I would say they have at places
like Corner, you would hope that they get a little
bit more aggressive like they did with Heatherman last year,
in terms of trying to bring some pressure, knowing that
they probably can't cover guys for four five sixeends, especially
on the outside, but it's Rossy's details and Heatherman's aggressive,

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chaotic style would be what I'm hoping to see. Let's
say from Collins.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
Well, congratulations to Danny and more important, congratulations to Ryan
Burns Illustrated dot Com because.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
You made it. You made it.

Speaker 4 (30:18):
You can go work on your next grade.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
My consternation is now complete thirty three minutes.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
So how quickly did was it just ready to go
and you just had to get to your laptop or
how to take me in behind the curtain a little bit.
When you get the press release too, I can finally
post this story and move on with the rest of
my life.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
Well, I think we had recorded that morning, and I
was like, it's been ten days, what are we doing?

Speaker 4 (30:40):
You were so mad?

Speaker 3 (30:41):
And then they finally put it out.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
So unnecessarily annoyed he was.

Speaker 5 (30:47):
He was so nervous that somebody was going to stumble
across that. He was so nervous Somebody's going to stumble
across this.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
I mean, Greeter's good, but he can't fire out a
feature that gree Greece.

Speaker 4 (30:58):
Oh yeah, we were good. Yeah, he's in like Liz
and he's.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
Got hockey on his plate houses Brian and Senior Bowl
film somewhere from two thousand and one, trying.

Speaker 4 (31:07):
To find while you were paranoid Round Pass Rusher.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
But there's correct, So okay, they finally put it out.
I wasn't at my laptop immediately or else it would
have been out at would you say they released it
at one on one, one on one, I would have
been out at one o two. Yeah, wasn't that my
wasn't that myself?

Speaker 4 (31:25):
Did you leave anything important to make sure you could?

Speaker 1 (31:27):
Like, were you at lunch with your lovely wife or anything,
or just bailed on her because you got it. You
had to get to Danny Collins closet sleeping story out.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
This life is not glamorous, the one that I leave
here in my wife's house. No, it's Uh she's on
the main floor. I'm upstairs most of the time. Uh,
we weren't on some glamorous lunch day.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
Now, Chip, I think you need to do You're good
at shadowing people and kind of taking us through their day.
I think you need to take us into it football
Cross Minnesota, take take us in a day of Burnsy,
especially during like.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
Really boring during the day more or less. And then
it's so annoyed because it's just text messages and phone calls.
That's nights and weekends. Though, you guys know the life
is poor.

Speaker 4 (32:07):
Yeah, it's the life. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Chip won't be able to stay up that way. You'll
have to wake him up. Hey, I got a text
from that three star in Texas. I got to call
him back right now. If you want to jump on,
I'm going to read it's very good go for Illustrated
dot Com. Burnsy does a great job with that stuff
and a lot of cool stuff about the new defensive
coordinator finally announced, so Burnsy can get some sleep on
that front, Danny Collins.

Speaker 4 (32:27):
Will any of it matter? Though? Guys?

Speaker 1 (32:28):
Does any of this matter in the grand scheme of
things with college football? When we get the news this
week that a highest state the national champion, we knew
that they don't care what they spend, but they clearly
and the outgoing athletic director Gene Smith admitted to it,
basically said, I played poker with the football budget because
I didn't want my legacy to be leaving on a

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team that couldn't win the Big Ten. So Ohio State
literally spent more money than they made last year in football,
which is incredible because Ohio State makes a lot of money,
the parent of Spare podcast have learned. Columbus Dispatch reported
that the athletic department at the Ohio State reported an
operating budget or deficit of more than thirty seven million dollars.

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They spent a record of two hundred and ninety two
point seven million from July one, twenty three to June thirty,
twenty four.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
And that's just on football. To be clear here, you
think so well, no, no, no, that's their entire athletics.

Speaker 4 (33:29):
Entire that's their entire athletics department.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
Yeah, that's the gaudy number, but here's nobody.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
It brought in revenue of two hundred and fifty four
million dollars, a decline from about twenty five million. So
even if they made what they made the year before,
they still would have dipped in to about twelve million
dollar deficit. They'd been planning for it. They didn't care
about it. Ross b York. The ad now says we
knew this was going to happen. Jean Smith basically said, yeah,
I left Ross kind of a financial mess, but you

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guys want to win a championship. We're going all in
on football, hiring Chip Kelly. They also fired their basketball coach,
Chris Holtman. They had to pay him nine million dollars.
They've got reserve funds, and they also know they're going
to continue to make a lot of money, so that's
how they're heading this bet. But that's pretty incredible when
a university just goes, we don't care if we're going
to lose close to forty million dollars.

Speaker 4 (34:17):
We're going all in on football this year.

Speaker 5 (34:19):
Yeah, and did you see I read not the Dispatch story,
but a different story about it that.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
They had two fewer home games.

Speaker 4 (34:30):
Yeah, that is a big deal.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
For Ohio State.

Speaker 5 (34:32):
I mean, what do you think Ohio State brings in
on a football Saturday.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
Well, they said drop off in football tickets was sixteen
and a half million when they had eight home games.
So if you just do the math, it's about eight
million bucks eight million bucks game at least.

Speaker 5 (34:45):
So they only had six home games, so they must
have played one of those big ones.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Non conference.

Speaker 4 (34:52):
Yeah, Burnsy can look up the schedule. I'm sure he's
got it.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
But then three year twenty four would be the fall
of twenty three.

Speaker 4 (35:00):
No, yes, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 5 (35:03):
Well, you know, how much do you think that they
they talked about having reserves. I mean, if you're Ohio
State and you have that kind of football revenues on
a you know, most years, I'm guessing you're stocking away
some uh in savings.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
So but it.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
And ninety two million dollar expenditure is just such in
a different stratosphere because yeah, like Minnesota. Again, Eric Bego
does a great job in reporting on this stuff for
Gopher Buck Live. I mean, Minnesota last fiscal year now
new data set from twenty twenty four, spent one hundred
and fifty two million dollars because they brought in one

(35:43):
hundred and fifty one Can you imagine thirty seven million
deficit in how many and how the reaction would be
here locally something like that.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
I think three million dollars would be insane. Yeah, and
by the way, I'm not saying that they're wrong, like
because that is reckless spending, but it's what's important.

Speaker 5 (36:05):
I go back to this, how are they going to
pay that that twenty one million dollars payout to athletes
every school, not just Gophers.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
Right, Well, Hio State doesn't have to worry about it,
because if they had a thirty seven million dollar deficit
two hundred and ninety two million spent, you're still north
to two hundred and fifty million dollars in revenue. They'll
find money. But for a place like Minnesota, where like
the record again record and revenue record expenditures one fifty one,

(36:38):
one fifty two again, it's it's fascinating to kind of
try and figure it out. Because that was one of
the things within the data that Eric Biego got from
the latest fiscal year is Minnesota has never spent more
on football with forty seven million dollars, but they've also
never made more with ninety million dollars in terms of revenue.

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And the thing that the math guy and me is
the thing I like to look at year over year
to try and figure it out, is just profit again
revenue minus expenses. Well, here's the thing. The profit has
never been higher for football. They made a profit of
forty three point three million in fiscal year twenty four

(37:22):
compared to just two years ago where they got thirty
two million in profit. Aka, the revenue continues to climb
higher than the expenditures. And that's where I come back to.
You know, I lament assistant salary pools more than anybody
on this planet. But it's like, if I now know
that that you're up eight figures in profit year over
year essentially over two years for football, now it's just like, well,

(37:48):
why can't we find the extra three hundred thousand dollars
to keep this guy? But in that same respect, it's
I mean, Mark Coyle is going to have to I
don't know what he's going to do for that twenty
one one million chip because that's what's coming through it.
Like they just built the brand new gymnastics building, track
and field got new buildings, golf got a new building,
tennis and hockey er set, and then we spent the

(38:12):
first fifteen minutes of the podcast today talking about the
barn and guess what that's either gonna have to be
torn down or completely renovated, and that's gonna be eight figures.
So you have all of that, yet you got to
continue to feed the golden goose. And I don't know
what Mark Coyle is gonna do here because I don't
love seeing record profit for the football program, knowing what

(38:33):
they continue to battle year over year with how lean
they kind of have to take it. But I don't
know what the solution is.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
Boys, that's gonna be the Williams Areen is gonna be
nine figures, Bud.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
Yeah, yeah, I'm a I'm not a math guy, but
I'm looking two hundred million.

Speaker 4 (38:49):
That's nine figures.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
I've got three three three with two commas, that's two
hundred million, right.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
Yeah, I didn't know that. That's what they had estimated
was two hundred million.

Speaker 4 (38:58):
They have it.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
That's what I'm okay estimating conservatively if I don't know,
but let's say it's one hundred million. I don't think
you're going to do it for fifty mili.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
Right, I was thinking seventy five ish. But even still,
I mean, that's a lot of money that you got
to spread out over a decade or two decades or whatever.
Plus you're still paying like they have so many expenditures.
And again they increase their revenue. Minnesota did about fifteen
million year over year, which is great. Again you're up
ten to twelve percent, but then your expenditures also grew

(39:29):
at the same rate overall within the athletic budget. Plus
it's to Chip's point, you have to be able to
find now twenty one million dollars within the budget and
you got all these buildings for non rev. I don't
know what Coyle is going to do here, and it's
going to be kind of fascinating for me to try
and figure it out.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
In it you, I've said this for ten years and
it hasn't happened yet.

Speaker 5 (39:49):
But at some point there's got to be a ceiling
on this TV money, right, I mean, there's got to.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Be a not with them, and if they expand the
playoff that's going to be more money because they're going
to expend the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
Well, that's really the biggest jump in revenue or part
of it playing ticket sales, which ticket sales were at
an all time high of fourteen million for football this
past great, that's really what fiscal year which is great
to see, which was a two point three ish million
dollar jump from the latest fiscal year. But media rights
money was where they made the most. They went from
thirty eight to forty five point seven. Right, that is

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that is the thing that feeds everything within this university.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
So look at those numbers so that you just brought
up because that checks out with what I had kind
of heard before. We just mentioned that Ohio State football
revenue per game looks to be about eight million bucks. Gophers,
you just nailed it. Fourteen games divided by seven I
assume is about two million or fourteen million divided by
about two million bucks a game. Like, so every college
football Saturday, Ohio State is making six million dollars more

(40:48):
than Minnesota. And I'm guessing Minnesota is at the lower
end of ticket revenue right because of the past, because
of all of that stuff.

Speaker 4 (40:56):
But it's I mean, it's a. It's just a race, man.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
I can't wait to see house fiscal year data for
next year. By the way, after like forty eight straight
big noon games, which was the consternation of the entire country.

Speaker 4 (41:08):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (41:08):
Well it is crazy when you go to you know,
Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State on a football seratay. I
remember years ago up in the Michigan press box, they
have that window at the end by the ad suite
overlooking that.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Golf course.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
Yeah, they all park yep.

Speaker 5 (41:26):
And I remember standing out there with maturity, you just
looking at all those cars pulling you know, I think
it was twenty bucks.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
A pop, right, yeah, but it mustly it felt.

Speaker 5 (41:34):
Like a million cars pulling in or just looking out there,
it was like what that revenue would be like.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
I did that was coil at Penn State two years ago.
We just looked out the back and it's just blue
and white as far as.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Far as you can see.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
You just don't even know where it ends. And they're
doing that every single week. It's crazy. I did a
quick google here the Galen Center where USC plays, which
a lot of people think should be like the model
for Williams A Renix. It's like a nine thousand seats.
It was brand new, you know, from the ground up.
That was about one hundred and thirty million for cost
the renovation of Welsh Ryan, which also is great. I've

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been now a lot of people have had the privilege
of going to Welsh Ryan Arena.

Speaker 4 (42:14):
That is a privilege.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
But ten years ago it was literally a high school
gym with benches and they had a few like purple
seats for the big donors. But they completely renovated all that.
They've got a nice clubroom now. I think it's like
seventy five hundred attendance something like that, which is a
perfect number for them, probably a perfect number for Minnesota.
I wouldn't go any further than ten if you if
you remodel or do whatever. But that was one hundred

(42:37):
and ten million bucks, So I mean we're talking, we're
talking nine figures.

Speaker 4 (42:41):
However you rise it.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
But you're right, that's coming up, Like, where's that money
gonna come from? Can you get state funding for that?
It's absolutely necessary. And I'll hear all arguments on whether
they should tear it down or remodel it.

Speaker 4 (42:55):
I get it. It's got an emotional tie.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
I'd get it to one hundred years, which is twenty
twenty eight, have a great final season ago, we're playing
at Mariuchi for two years.

Speaker 4 (43:03):
We'll see it.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
Tear it down here, yeah, or we're building it. There's
a couple of different places. They can build it still
on campus, believe it or not. So we'll see. But yeah,
the money thing is just it's wild, man, It's just wild.
And look at what Ohio State's doing. And then look
the Ohio State despite all of that, the transition, unless
you guys want to talk about anything else, just lost.

Speaker 4 (43:21):
Their defensive coordinator for financial reasons to Penn State, which
is crazy.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
After Oklahoma thought they were going to get them, which
this is, I mean, this is a level tier maybe
s level tier agent work by Jim Knowles agent whoever
it is between Ohio State, Oklahoma and Penn State because
we got word I think during was it during the
national title game where Jim Knowles had been rumored to

(43:47):
be talking to like Oklahoma could be. And then Tom
Allen takes the Clemson job and then they just all
get into a bidding war for the Ohio State defensive
coordinator and he ends up going to Penn State for
three point one million dollars per year for.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
Three years after he signed an extension. Right he did
the heather Man, I think he signed an extension with
Ohio State.

Speaker 5 (44:10):
How many uh I would love to know how many
h FBS coaches that's more than they make.

Speaker 4 (44:19):
Oh, we can figure that out pretty easily.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
Give me a second here.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
And by the way, in the world of petty college football.
Because of all this, they did not allow Jim Knowles
to go to the big ceremony when they got back
to campus. Would He's like, I'll just go. I just
want to be with my guys. They're like, Nope, sorry,
because I don't think they like how it went down,
because I do think they try to take care of him.
But obviously we talked about it two weeks ago, and
I don't blame anybody, but it does have to be annoying,

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even if you're Ohio State.

Speaker 4 (44:46):
It's like, bro, like, we are.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
Paying, we just won a national title, You've got every
resource here we're giving you. We just redid your deal.
But I get it. I mean it's hard to turn
down that money. I'm yeah, and and to go and
obviously see Penn State's going all in. They're finally redoing
their press box. I noticed that a couple of weeks ago,
So I'm glad I got to be in that relic
one last time. They're finally jumping up to actually have

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a functional place for media and suites and things like
that on one of the sides of the end zone.
But yeah, I'm sure they're annoyed at Ohio State, but
I thought that was high level pettiness to go just
go to state college, bro, Like, you can't even come
to the ceremony.

Speaker 4 (45:22):
We'll send your ring to Happy Valley.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
Or point one million dollar mark. You're ready for this? Yeah,
would rank sixty first among all head coaches in college football.
And I'll remind people here there are four FPS coaches. Geez,
he makes more than half of the head football coaches
at college football.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
And you think there's not halves and half not.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
Goodness, gracious halves and haves more.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
That's what it is.

Speaker 4 (45:51):
That's exactly what it is. Yeah. So anyway, that's that's going.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
And I know a lot of people were asking, like,
why would he leave Ohio State. Well, he already won
the title.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
Three point one million dollars.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
For three point one million dollar reasons. But I believe
he's also a Philly guy here native, which gets us
back to the Kirksharraka angle of why he took other
than money.

Speaker 4 (46:12):
It's amazing how much your hometown means to you when
you're paying.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
These Pennsylvania guys. It means a lot to go to Pensa.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
If the Cleveland Daily Banner shows.

Speaker 5 (46:21):
Up with, yeah, seriously, a big check for me, I
missed my hometown too.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
Yeah, that's brilliant free point. And now Ohio State's going
to get their pick of a lot too. Plus I
think penn State's defense. I think Penn State is when
we start to actually get to it, when we look
at the twenty twenty five Big ten, I think Penn
State's probably the cream of the crop. With everything they
got coming back offense, they are going to be loaded,
absolutely loaded. But jim Andy crickets three, I just cannot

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fathom treating that's.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
A great saying.

Speaker 5 (46:54):
Yes, somebody did one of the national guys did one
of those way too early preseason top I think I
saw Penn State was four.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
Well, I know his sign Nebraska on there, because why not?

Speaker 4 (47:04):
I'm sure. Yeah, they're probably too low.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
In my opinion, many people are saying that surprised by
the way it's not working out for Indiana basketball.

Speaker 4 (47:12):
That's a stunner. To bring it to full circle to basketball.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
Weird that from everything I read, it was going back
to coach night days, and you know that I l
budget all the things.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
Speaking of not spending spending a ton of money, I
would argue probably no one spent more money on their
roster maybe in college basketball than Indiana. Yeah, look at
how that's going.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
Not quite working out, but I'm sure they'll be ranked,
and I'm sure they'll get the next great coach next
year and they'll be right back where everybody wants them
in The.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
Churney Dirt on Mike was Mike Woodson's great.

Speaker 4 (47:42):
I'm not, I'm not. I'm just observing, Okay, I'm just
watching what's going on. All right.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
Well, today Burnsy has a heart out, so we're gonna
get out of here on that. Thanks everybody for listening
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Speaker 4 (48:13):
Guys, do we agree?

Speaker 5 (48:15):
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Bill told me, and I'll tease it again, we got
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Speaker 2 (48:33):
But Bill told me he loves when.

Speaker 5 (48:36):
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Yeah, please do.

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Speaker 3 (49:02):
Not consternate as much.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
I'm glad we finally got that. You got that one
out of the chamber because I could just tell it
was eating at you and you finally got it, and
I'm glad I did it.

Speaker 4 (49:13):
That's how I spent my day. I don't have enough
going on. I looked at.

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Time stamps to see how quickly Burnsey got that story up,
because it seemed quick. But there I knew there had
to be a reason why he was so unnecessarily age.

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Your national pastimes, gaslighting the absolute giblets and junipers out
of me.

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every week, but I'm glad that you do.

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