January 2025: Corey Heatherman Leaves, Assistant Salaries, CFP Title Game

Chip Scoggins, Ryan Burns and Justin Gaard are back to discuss the shocking news that Corey Heatherman is off to Miami just a few weeks after getting a new contract from the Gophers. A heated discussion about assistant coaches salaries follows before the guys talk a bit about the National Championship Game between Ohio State and Notre Dame.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Glenn Mason said a long time ago at the University
of Minnesota, you need a Pair and a spare. Thank you, PJ.
It is time for another edition of the Pair and
a Spare podcast. We've got Ryan Burns from the No
I'm justin Guard from the Fan, three hours of sleep.
It's going to be that kind of day, boys, justin
Guard from the Fan and Burns go for Illustrated dot
Com Chipskoggins from football across Minnesota. I think I'm still

(00:21):
in College Park, Maryland. You guys might have to carry it.
But how we doing? Everybody good staying out of trouble.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
You saw a good game last night? Huh?

Speaker 1 (00:29):
It was good? Yeah? Then you finished it was a
good game. Team's good team, Team's good. I I don't.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Find ma ma bron gosh her.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
I was talking with somebody before the game yesterday internally
at the Universe. This is what Burns also says. I
was talking to someone with the program.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
Yeah, and I'm getting sixty seconds in. I even settle
worry yet, you trust me?

Speaker 1 (00:49):
Today is going to be a ride because no joke,
I'm on like three hours of sleep. I've got a
pack to day to day. It's you know, the kids
don't care that. I got home at two o'clock in
the morning from College Park, Mayor, and so it's going
to be a ride. I'm just gonna warn you. I
was talking with someone closely affiliated and not with the program,
but closely affiliated, and they said, that's too bad about

(01:09):
the injuries, right, you know, do you ever think about
you know, Mara Broun and Taylor Woodson and having them play?
I said, yeah, I think about it every day. I
think about it every day I watched them play. Obviously,
Taylor's out for the year. She was having a great season,
and Mara is still their best player. And you know, so, yes,
I think about it, said the only thing, the only thing,
the only conversation I've had more is, man, it'd be

(01:30):
nice to have Max Brosmer for another year. Yeah, we
all know, we're aware. It'd be great to have them.
It'd be great to have Maria bron Maybe she'll come back,
who knows, I don't know. But yeah, they're they're a
good team. Get out to the barn. It's a it's
a fun team to watch. They should they should make
the tournament. Hopefully they're ranked now. And uh yeah, so
it's good, so it's worth.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
The lack of saying I'll say it. Can you imagine
the men's basketball team scoring ninety points in regulation because
I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
Yeah, there it is.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
I took it, so you didn't have to.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
You're welcome. That's the That's it.

Speaker 4 (02:01):
I have.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
I have a lot of thoughts on people like you,
Burnsy with your basketball shots. We're gonna we're gonna let
the season play out and we're gonna we'll we'll talk
about that on another edition edition. Yeah, I've got I've
got lots of thoughts on that. I've got lots of
thoughts on that. But this is guys. We are brought
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(02:22):
Valentine's Day is coming up, perfect time if you haven't
been to really set the bar high for the rest
of your relationship and go to Jack's Cafe for Valentine's
Day dinner. This is I think Chip going to be
burnsy super Bowl this episode of the podcast.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
This is Mike Sandford about to appear in a fourth
window down below, and then Joe ROSSI, well.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
He knows how to stream yard. Mike Sandford is like
a media star now in Denver, all he does is
Denver Broncos fan line. He's on a show out there,
He's Mike Sandford is a media star now. So I
might do that to you. I might do that to you.
But that day is That day is not today. That
day is not today. But I assume Bernsey, you played baseball.
I assume we didn't even talk about me hanging out

(03:10):
with Ryan's parents at the Soda social. We never even
got to that part because we were talking about.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Did it come up?

Speaker 1 (03:18):
No, No, it didn't come up. It didn't come up.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
But your dad was a respectful and delightful young man
to people like my parents. Here.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
Well, here's why, because your dad was telling me so
many other like untoward stories from his time at college.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Yeah, because you two bonded over your time in Iowa.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
Because where did he go to school? Upper Iowa? That's right,
I was gonna say, Lauris, I knew that wasn't right.
He went to college in the same conference that like
my whole family went to, you know, the warperg the Luther,
the Buena Vista, the Loris, like the whole bit. And yeah,
he was regaling with how he you know, defaced a
legendary monument at Luther College and Decorah, Iowa as a seniors.

(04:00):
I didn't have any time to get into the Halloween
blizzer is. Yeah, no, I didn't have any time to
get into the Halloween blizzards. So maybe next year.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
You get the dad lore from my dad, even though
he is my father, but he apparently he just thought
he had to throw his ad material stuff at you.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
He was unloading. The chamber was empty by the end.
By the time I left, I got I got so
many Bill Burns stories. So anyway, where did we begin? Oh,
this is the Ryan Burns opus. I mean, this is
the day that Burnsy was born. For speaking of Halloween blizzards,
this was the day and the biggest news and the

(04:39):
reason you know we tried to do I was out
of town, so or a day later on this we
probably could have done an emergency podcast when all of
this broke. What night was this that this broke? Because
I feel like I feel like it was Saturday, right,
It was Saturday night. I had just gotten done from
a traveling basketball tournament and I go to my phone, Yeah,
Saturday day, and I see a tweet from Burnsey essentially saying, well,

(04:59):
if all of this is true, blah blah blah blah blah,
I think Danny Collins would be a great fit. And
I'm like, huh, what happened the news if you missed it,
is Corey Heatherman, in a very Elijah Hawkins like way
after he committed to staying for another season with Gopher football,
is on his way to the U. He is on
his way to Miami to be the defensive coordinator.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Chip.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
I feel like we got to lay out and let
Burnsy just have the flour here for a little bit,
take us through, you go wherever you want to go
with this one, Burnsy on how surprised you are, how
bitter you are, and how emboldened and self righteous you're
going to be about at least one particular topic.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
Yeah, well, I'll say this, by the end of it,
I want to see if we can figure out viable
solutions because it continues to be a problem for the
x straight number of year. But on Saturday morning, this
thing really took off because Corey Heatherman was hosting a
linebacker here from Minnesota, a kid by the name of

(05:59):
Jeff Roberson, on Wednesday, Thursday, he ends up getting him committed.
He's out in and amongst the people on Friday recruiting
from Minnesota, in the state of Minnesota, and then Saturday
morning hits and I start to get a couple of
texts and it's this thing escalated very very quickly, to
the point where then by the afternoon he's gone. He's
just gone to Miami after he had signed his new deal,

(06:22):
which had would have put him at one point two
million dollars per year. That's including base pay, supplemental pay,
and retention bonuses. Because let me tell you, I have
spent way too much time of my life over the
last few weeks looking into these coaches contracts trying to
figure out what has changed, what hasn't changed. So essentially,
Miami paid six hundred thousand dollars to buy out Corey Heatherman.

(06:46):
Now Miami is one of those kind of like Penn
statis from what enders in quasi private state.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
Yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
So unless a Bruce Feldman or an elite Pete Thamill
get the figures and put it out there, we're not
going to know what Corey Heatherman got. But my assumption
that I'm working off of from talking to some people
in the industry, is somewhere around three years, which is
an additional year than what he had at Minnesota, and
then probably somewhere around one point five million dollars per

(07:17):
So this would be the third straight off season in
which you have now lost a coordinator. Because you go
back to last year with Joe Rossi, he got the
three hundred and fifty thousand dollars rais to go to
Michigan State, you lost Kirks Raka to an additional four
hundred thousand. Now potentially losing another coordinator after you had
already renegotiated with him back in December. I can just

(07:39):
say this. I don't know what the spin will be.
We'll see if PJ ends up talking here in the
month of January. But they were not expecting this. I
don't think anybody was expecting this, and they let Heatherman
talk before the bowl game. I think it's just something
that continues to happen here. And I know that it's
not always about money, but every single time this continues

(08:01):
to happen, Chip, I look up and see the dollar
amounts and say, sometimes it actually is about the money.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
Yeah, And We'll get into the what they pay their
salary pool. But I mean they did all the right
things the game of rayse gaming extension, a change the buyout.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
But if a school is willing to pay a six hundred.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
Thousand dollars buyout to get him, I mean Miami just
spent what five million on a quarterback.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
They don't care about money. They don't care about money.

Speaker 4 (08:39):
They're not looking under the sofa for Nichols. You know,
I think Sraka left after he had gotten the raise here.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
Correct, he was going to go from six twenty five
to nine hundred.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
And then which time were we talking about the first
time he left or the second time?

Speaker 2 (08:59):
Yeah? Yeah, second one.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
I got on that too, but go ahead.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yeah, he was good.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
So he was gonna go from six twenty five to
nine hundred here at Minnesota, and then Rutgers gave him
an additional year and then bumped him to one point
four of which, by the way, I just want to
note Kirk Shiroka got another raise. He's making one point
nine million dollars.

Speaker 4 (09:22):
Yeah, And and you know, I'm probably gonna speak out
of both sides of my mouth because in color sports,
you don't ever want to be last in anything, pay
facilities that whatever.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
You don't want to be last. But I think they
did right by Corey.

Speaker 4 (09:39):
They gave him, they bumped him up to one point
two million dollars, they gave him two years. I don't
know what was he with a two million? You know,
I mean you got to have a little bit of
reality here. I thought PJ did the right thing. So
if the guy's going to leave for more money, you know,
I mean.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
It feels like the you did the right took the
right steps here.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
I agree totally. And I'm and again this is this
might be the sleep talking, but I'm I'm never going
to tell anybody they can't go further in their career
and get more money. Obviously, like we'd all we all
make decisions, right and we're talking when you get like
a you know, it doesn't seem that much, but I
mean three hundred thousand dollars, that's a big raise, right,
you know, Sharaka going, you know, I mean, that's a

(10:21):
ton of money that you could potentially turn down. But
I got to tell you, uh, I'm kind of sick
of all of it, with the dudes that just come
here and then just use it. To get another job. Like,
I'm getting bored with it. I really am. The Shiaka
thing still pisses me off because he was the second
landing spot after you left for more money and got
your ass fired. Like so like if I'm PJ, I'm

(10:42):
pissed now. PJ is never going to say that. But
because I agree with you, chips, like, okay, we let
the Rutgers thing go. Mark Coyle said, it's a ball game.
There were a couple of other schools. Maybe Miami was
one of them that was interested in this whole deal.
I don't know, and I agree with you. They gave
him a huge bump off of By the way, one year,
it was a great year. We'll all agree the defense
was awesome. This year. It was fun to watch. But

(11:03):
after one year, if we're just gonna keep bringing dudes
in as hey, I'm gonna, you know, basically get to
run the show. Get an opportunity for PJ to do
this thing and where he doesn't really meddle. He just
kind of lets you do your thing, You're gonna make
good money, and then just bounce. I'm kind of bored
with it, I am. I don't know how you fix it.
I don't know how you vet it out. Like i'd
like to think guys like Winston on the D line

(11:24):
and now Danny Collins, who Pj's brought up in Harbow,
who he's definitely brought up right because he's he basically
went from the guy driving Tanner Morgan around on his
official visit at Western Michigan as a GA all those
years ago. Yeah, I'm kind of bored with it. I'm
kind of bored with these dudes just rolling in and
squeezing every nickel out that they can from the U

(11:44):
and then just leaving to go wherever now Miami, great spot,
great place to live or tradition, the whole bit. I
understand it. But dude, you just signed a new contract
ten minutes ago, So what are we What are we
doing here?

Speaker 2 (11:55):
What was the bergy? What was he this year? And
what was the bump? Was it two hundred thousand, three
hundred thousand?

Speaker 3 (12:02):
He made eight excuse me, eight hundred and fifty thousand
dollars this year, which would have put him somewhere around fourteenth,
fifteenth and the big ten in defensive coordinator pay. So
he got an additional three hundred and fifty thousand dollars
he would have I should say, yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
Now the other change that I'll tell you that Fleck
has made in these contracts because he was tired of
losing coaches to other Big ten schools, was he added
in the whole if you leave for a coaching position
at a Big ten school, it's one hundred percent that
they would owe to buy you out. And now that
it's Miami this time, it's only twenty five percent because

(12:39):
it's a non Big ten schools. They have the same
thing in there for NFL schools as well. So now
I'm beginning to wonder is Fleck going to try to
leverage and say, well, we want one hundred percent for both.
But then it's for some of these other guys on staff.
They're like, well, why would we ever agree to that
because you already pay us pennies compared to the rest
of the Big ten. Like there has to be something,

(13:01):
there has to be a middle ground somewhere, because we
go ahead.

Speaker 4 (13:05):
No, I'm sorry, you refew, but yeah, if you're gonna
have the lowest salary pool for assistance, it's not right
to put that in.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
There for the Big ten because.

Speaker 4 (13:16):
You have to be I mean that's somebody to go
off you four hundred thousand more dollars to go in
a Big ten.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
Yeah, but my argument would be, though, well, okay, well
that big ten school didn't hire you right away. I
hired you right away. So sorry, like because I it
does annoy me if you can't tell because and I
and because to me, when Minnesota is never going to
be at the top of it, like, I don't think
it stops burnsy if they even get into the middle

(13:41):
of the Big ten salary pool, because there's.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
All I'd love to find out.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
Yeah, I know, but I don't think they're lagging lagging
where it's like, you know, ridiculously low money. Like I
don't think the pennies. To me, I don't think that.
I don't think it's pennies.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
Well again, I will tell you from looking at all
the data via USA Today Minnesota's twenty twenty four salary pool, Okay,
the one that is available. You know, I'm going to
make some assumptions for programs like USC and penn state
their data is not available, but considering I know what
they pay their head coaches, Yeah, I know what they
pay some of their coordinators. It's a lot Minnesota had

(14:21):
the lowest assistant salary pool among all Power two outside
of maybe Northwestern. Now I would venture to guess Northwestern
is probably below them. But of all the ones that
we know, they were the lowest in twenty twenty four,
yet they ended up finishing what eighth in the Big
ten overall. It's just such a fine line that you
have to continue to walk if you're going to continue

(14:42):
to pay some of the lowest salary yet you're always
going to be expecting higher results. It's just such a
tough place to live.

Speaker 4 (14:51):
And I think they always I think they probably look
at it too. It's like, and I don't know where
they rank on this, we can go.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Back and look.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
But football revenue generated, yeah, by Big ten, I mean
I think that's a fair thing. But just if you
tell me you're paying your defense coordinator one point two
million dollars, I think that's pretty good.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
Is that you know where that would rank among So
that twenty twenty five salary would rank among twenty twenty
four Big ten defensive coordinator. I haven't looked up here.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
It's probably fifteen, ten or eleventh, ten or eleventh.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
It'd be thirteenth.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yeah, So what's twelve, what's eleven, what's ten? You know,
how much money? What's the hundreds of thousands of dollars
that we're talking about here?

Speaker 3 (15:32):
I mean it's still I mean, we're still talking about
hundreds of thousands of dollars. But I think the middle
ground would be Joe Rossi actually and Joe Harris Simak.
They were tied for eighth or ninth there at one
point five. Now you can say that's only three hundred thousand,
but that's three hundred thousand dollars is a lot of money. Yeah,
Minnesota salary pool. So then the question becomes here, if

(15:55):
it is you know, they get the six hundred thousand
dollars from Miami plus if when they do rotate to
Danny Collins, which reported a few days ago, it looks
like Danny Collins is going to be the guy to
call the plays. I had so many people upset that
I didn't call him defensive coordinator. I called him defensive
play caller. And I say that because title inflation is

(16:16):
so stupid in twenty twenty five, right, so many co
coordinators and assistant head coaches that nobody knows anything. I
learned from the Harbo thing two years ago, when it
was him and Simon as co guys, no fans could
figure out who actually calls the plays. So now we're
just going to go with Danny Collins defensive play caller.
But you're probably going to save like six hundred thousand

(16:38):
dollars because I can't imagine that Danny makes. Hell, he
probably won't make any more than what Greg Harbo got
initially off the bat, So somewhere around six hundred thousand
plus if they do elect to go with Mariano, sorry,
maren as their linebacker coach, which this whole thing is
just coming. Is this what it's like Chip to go

(16:59):
from covering play to then they get in the coaching profession,
and then I just continue to get older and older
every year.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Yeah, you're gonna feel old as yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Oh yeah, man, like we're way past that.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
Yeah. If you do the math, it's somewhere on like
one point four million dollars. Okay, So if Fleck gives
some bumps to just support staff, recruiting staff, on field staff,
say five hundred thousand dollars worth, that's still like nine
hundred thousand dollars of what are we doing with this
money now? Yeah, I don't know what Fleck will elect
to do. I don't know if Coyle again, there's so

(17:29):
much of this, I'm very intrigued to see how it
plays out.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
And the six hundred thousand you're gonna get from Miami.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
All right, Yeah, that's included in it. Yeah, the six
hundred k from Miami. The six hundred thousand dollars savings
from going from Heatherman to Collins is the defensive play
collar plus like what I'm just well, Yardsy's point, I
don't know that it would be fixed if they got bumped.
Let's say, all right, so what's middle of the big

(17:56):
tenant in assistant pool salary. It's probably somewhere around oh
I don't know, five point eight ish. Now, you're never
gonna be in Ohio State, like Ohio State's assistant salary
pool was eleven point five million dollars. They are the
exception and not the rule. They also generate more, to
chips point, more football revenue than anybody in the conference

(18:19):
because of what they're able to do. I just like
they were scheduled to be at five point five million.
The Gophers were in twenty twenty five, But now I
don't know what they're going to be at and again
you can say, well, Ryan, that's a million dollar bump.
It would have been, but now it won't be. But
then now we have to see how the rest of
the Big ten bumps their assistant salary pools because Purdue

(18:40):
just hired a new guy Wisconsin is Again, it's just
I'd love to know at what point does administration also
start to say, like, this is the third straight off season,
you're losing a promising coordinator and then you're gonna have
to hire from within because you're so late and kind
of the process here, like Heatherman did him dirty with that?

Speaker 2 (19:02):
I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
If you would have the first time, then you could
have had a more thorough search potentially. But it's just
I'm so tired of having this discussion. I know it
is my open it is my super Bowl, but I
wish the Super Bowl would stop happening for this and
they would just figure out a way to stop it.

Speaker 4 (19:22):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's complicated because I mean, obviously
you don't want to be losing your coordinators every year.
I mean, you need continuity, you.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Need cultural sustainability.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
Yeah, Colch, what's the thing, that great buzzword it's saying it.
I would say Pj's done a hell of a job
of hiring him finding guys who seriously good replacements. I mean,
we thought this guy was fallowing.

Speaker 4 (19:42):
With Rossy, you know, and look they landed. Not saying
you're always going to hit, but so far he's done
a good job of finding identifying coaches.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
But I would love to know, and PJ would.

Speaker 4 (19:55):
Never say this publicly, but I would love to know
how much his salary available to him impacts who he
goes and hires, Like is he promoting because he sees
something in young guys that he thinks can be good coaches?

Speaker 2 (20:09):
Or is he doing because he has to?

Speaker 4 (20:11):
It's he doesn't have the money to go look elsewhere
and bring in a a guy from Clemson to be
your linebacker coach, or a guy from somewhere you know,
or like.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
The perfect example in this scenario is Ryan Walters. Ryan
Walters got fired as the Purdue head coach and he
just latched on at Washington to replace who is it
what's the Belichick kids name? Steve Belich? Steve yeah, yeah,
Like in Washington is going to pay him one point
four million dollars tour on their defense. Yeah, but Chip,
that's that is an a lead point because that's something

(20:41):
that I've been talking about with the lovely folks of
Gopher Illustrated. Is trying to figure out what is the
percentage of that exact question. How much of it is
Pj's a forty two year old, forty three year old
head coach, and he wants to hire younger guys who
can match his energy, and how much of it is
he knows he has no money to pay older guys

(21:02):
a quote unquote older guys, let's say, because he knows
the realities of his assistant salary pool. And I think
it's a whole Yeah.

Speaker 4 (21:10):
And if you look at like Mariano, he may say,
I think he's gonna be a great coach. I coached him,
I loved everything about him. I think he's going to
be an outstanding coach. Let's give him a shot and
watch him grow into it, and I'll develop and Ian
He's talked about developing his coaches. Yeah, is there a
part of him that has that kind of emotional pull like, hey,
let's find some young guys that.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
Has some jews, some energy.

Speaker 4 (21:28):
Well, they're gonna be great coaches versus and we can
maybe allocate that money elsewhere versus, Hey, Mark Cole, I
need two million dollars to go find a defensive coordinator.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
I need seven hundred thousand dollars to go find a
new linebackers coach. I don't know. I don't know what
the answer to that is.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
Yeah, I mean, I know in most of his contract extensions,
and as you guys know, they're covered extensively. When he
gets his extensions, or the most recent one was an amendment, right,
that's what they called it. A year ago. With the
UCLA contract amendment, he negotiates in more money for assistance, right,
So it's not like he's he's trying to get some
I know that was part of the last deal. If
I remember correctly, he got.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
More money for He got more money for him than
the assistance.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
But yeah, yeah, yeah, well of course yeah he's going
to Yeah, he's he's the head coach again.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
Even with that UCLA pump last year, that's that twenty
twenty four salary, but it was still the lowest in
power too. Potentially again Giant Asterix outside of Northwestern because
they're unknown. But it's just.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
I just don't know if it's gonna I don't I
just don't know what the number is. If guys just
want to leave and go chase every last one hundred
thousand dollars that they could get, there's always especially if
the team's having success, there's always going to be. Now
the Rossie thing we talked about the year ago, it
might have just you know, I think Joe it was
money obviously because he got a huge raise, a good raise,
But I think he also just wanted to try something new, right,

(22:52):
I mean, we all know Joe fairly well. Like, I
think he just was ready to try something new, maybe
restart the clock somewhere else. We all, I mean the
program a year ago, who knew which way it was
going to go? Right? The season did not end very well.
So this was all before even the UCLA stuff. So
I with some of that money, absolutely, I mean it'd

(23:12):
be foolish to say that it wasn't. But I think
there were other reasons with Rossy. So, but losing them
into the conference is problematic, right, Like Rutgers just literally
anytime there's an opening to Rutgers, they just call over here.
I mean, I'm sure they must have this like a
line down there. It's like, hey, well let's just go
grab a Minnesota guy. They all know us because PJ,
you know, grab some of those guys right ten years ago.

(23:35):
I just don't know with some of these if no
matter how much they pay them, because they paid him
one point two right or one point three whatever, it
was going to be Burns.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
He like they were going to pay them.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Yeah, that's what I mean. And shirakas the same thing when
he left like he was going to be over a
million the first time five or six years ago and
decided to go to Penn State, got fired, and PJ
brought him back, and he's still left. Like I get it,
it's everybody's got to do their own, but I just
don't know. I get it that you don't want to
be last or where they are. I just don't know

(24:06):
if there's anything that's going to prevent this necessarily, even
if they do. And I know you'd love to find out,
but I just some of these guys are just they
just want to get as much as they can as
quick as they can, which I don't blame.

Speaker 4 (24:17):
Them for, but it's annoying, No, I mean, it's annoying
at the timing is terrible in the time. You I
don't know if the time he's ever good particularmh, you're
talking about a coordinator.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Well, here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
You also hear him go, I just want to coach ball.
He did the Jerry Kill. I just want to coach ball.
Let's just get the contract. Let's just sign it. Just okay,
and then ten minutes after the game, you're going to
the U like whatever. Man like, great job, it was
fun to cover you. The defense was awesome. It was fun.
But good luck, good luck in Miami. And there's no
state taxes, so that's great. Good luck down there.

Speaker 4 (24:46):
I mean, you know, recruiting, you're getting a big raise,
no state taxes. You know, the Miami's whatever, you know,
image of you know the old days, your stand it.
You know, it stinks when you have only one year
with a guy, right, and and you see the promise

(25:06):
you I mean, hell, we talked last week about how
excited we are to see some of these pieces come
back in his defense.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
For a year two and now here you go, you're
starting over.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Right.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
We all think highly of Danny Collins, but he's never
been a play caller, Like we don't know what it's
going to look like.

Speaker 4 (25:22):
I think he's a good coach, but that's a different
discussion than being a good play caller. So so it's yeah,
it's it's stinks.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
I think each one.

Speaker 4 (25:32):
I agree with you. I think they're a little bit different. Look,
nobody's leaving for the same money or less money. If
you're leaving, you're getting more money. That's just how it
works a year, yeah or yeah, I mean, that's just
how the deal works. So we can't we get stuck
on oh he's getting a raise. Well, that's anytime you
take a new job, you're doing it for more money
most you know time probably right, But.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
I I I agree.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
I mean again I go back to you don't want
to be lasting anything. I mean, it's just not how
you want to operate. But I agree with GUARDSI that
if they got to eleventh in the Big ten, it's
just going to stop coaches from leaving for quote unquote,
you know, better opportunities or I don't know.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
I have love to find out. I know that that's like,
that's not a great answer, and I know it's it's
like tongue in cheek when you hear me say it,
but we don't know, but I would love to find
out if it made any discernible impact.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
And here's the thing, though, here's the thing, how do
you get there?

Speaker 1 (26:37):
Right?

Speaker 2 (26:37):
This is not a this is not a this isn't
you know? They have a fifty thousand seat We get
the TV money just like everybody else. But this is
a fifty thousand seat stadium. This is not eighty thousand.
It's not one hundred thousand, right right.

Speaker 4 (26:51):
They have a basketball program that's not doing well, that's
not bringing in tons of money.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
There, you're gonna have to.

Speaker 4 (26:57):
Start paying athletes twenty one million dollars this ye where's
that money coming from?

Speaker 2 (27:02):
How are they going to get there? That's that's my question.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
Well, then it's the uncomfortable conversation of I think the
University of Minnesota athletic department has to figure out what
they want to be good at, what they don't, and
then they got to allocate resources. And then I think,
as Flex said in his opening press conference, they got
to start eating some difficult conversations.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
For breakfast, because there.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
You can't support everything and then also somewhat neglect the
golden goose because I know the pushback I got when
I was talking with some people over over there about
this was, well, we spent more on football and expenses
than we ever have. That's true, you have to know
that is true. But in relative to what I mean,

(27:47):
this is still in the last fiscal year of available
data to US a football program that made I think
it was sixty five million dollars in revenue, there were
forty three million dollars in expenses. Okay, well, that's a
twenty two million dollar surplus. And I understand that it
has to be the golden goose that feeds all the
non revenue sports, YadA YadA. But at some point unless

(28:11):
you think PJ. Flegg is just going to continue to
hit higher after higher after hire, and maybe he is
no Stradamis with that type of thing, and this thing
is just going to continue on forever. Like what if
he if he has a Rob Smith or a Mike
Sandford type of hire and this thing goes down into
a four and eight season. Okay, well, then revenue is
gonna fall because not as many people are gonna watch,

(28:33):
not as many people are gonna show up to the games,
Like they have to figure out what they want to
be good at. What they want to continue to allocate
resources to because unless you guys have a more viable option,
and I know that everybody wants to say, well, why
don't any of these Fortune five hundred companies come in? Again,
that's it's very complex when you start to go down
that rabbit hole because a lot of these Fortune five

(28:55):
hundred companies are public companies. Then they have to report
to shareholders. And if if you were investing in a company,
why would you want to hear that they donated a
million dollars of technically your money to the university so
that they can be good at a sport, something like
FedEx did with Memphis. So it's I don't know what
the solution is.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Like.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
See, this is the thing too, Like both statements can
be true. Something like this, Greg Harbo is going to
make some of somewhere around like seven hundred and fifty
thousand dollars this year. That is going to be likely
the lowest paid offensive coordinator in the Big Ten. Again,
but that is also going to be the most amount
of money Minnesota has ever paid an offensive coordinator. Yeah,

(29:36):
both statements can be true. And again I'm not trying
to tell you Greg Harbo is living on food stamps here.
That's an exponential amount of money to you, me and
all of our listeners. But again, that's where just both
things can be true.

Speaker 4 (29:48):
You have to be really I mean, you have to
compare apples to apples. I mean, yep, PJ made a
lot more than Glenn Mason. Time change, I mean, everything changes.
I mean it has to be relative. I mean you
got to think about relative to where you're at now,
not nineteen ninety or you know. I mean it's like
I remember when Mitch Browning made two hundred thousand dollars
and we.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Thought, holy cow, that's a lot of money for an
offense coordinator.

Speaker 4 (30:11):
You can't think of it back then. You have to
think about what are my competitors doing right now? What's
the marketplace right now for an offense coordinator defense coordinator.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
I'm not saying there.

Speaker 4 (30:20):
You know, I would never affect them to be in
the top tier.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
They're just not revenue wise or not. I mean, you
look at these other big friend schools bring in, they're
just not.

Speaker 4 (30:31):
I think it's reasonable to say middle of the pack
or somewhere in that, you know, middle range.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
I don't think that's unreasonable even though, you know.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
Even within that mental pack, there's probably some discrepancies on football.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
But then where does it also stop? Because the second
Minnesota jumps somebody, the Ryan Burns at Wisconsin or Purdue
or Illinois, everybody's pushing right every You're always chasing everybody
ending more money than they've ever spent. So at some
point you do have to go. It's been real man.
Thanks for the year, Sharaka, thanks for both terms. Appreciate it.

(31:10):
You're welcome for the golden parachute here when James Franklin
sent you on your ass after a year, You're welcome.
But here we are like it's like chasing is the
word you're It's a never ending cycle of oh now
we jumped up here, Well guess what this hole now
is open and you got to plug this hole. You
got add this one hundred grand. It's like, and I
got to be honest, I'm kind of tired of hearing

(31:31):
from you Burns, not what you're saying, but what people
say to you every single year where I just name
a generic position coach, linebackers, offensive, and whatever it is.
I'm getting sick of hearing guys bitching about how little
they make to tell a guy, you know, keep your
hands here, here's your leverage point. Here's it, Like, go
do it somewhere else. Then if it's not enough money here,

(31:51):
just go do it. Like I'm getting sick of hearing
that crap year after year after year after year. That's
just me.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Well, I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Of thousands of dollars.

Speaker 4 (32:01):
Yes, that's where I agree with Heatherman. They gave him
a three hundred and fifty thousand dollars rays. They gave
him two years, right, Like, I don't know what more they.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Could have done in this instance.

Speaker 4 (32:10):
Yeah, in this instance, I mean you said it's thirteenth
in the Big Ten. Okay, I mean he got three
hundred fifty thousand dollar rays after one year.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
I don't for one season after one season.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
I think ago he was the linebacker coach at Rutgers.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Yea, exactly exactly what.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
I'm talking about.

Speaker 4 (32:25):
Yeah, that's that I think. I think they I credit
him for what they did. I don't think they had
to do. They didn't need to do more than that
they did. They took all the right steps.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
I mean, that's my They changed the buyout, they did
all the right things. And if a guy leaves it's like,
I mean.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
I just think I just think they we get too
we got too much, you know, drinking at the convention,
comparing salaries and then everybody being pissed about it, like
you guys are all doing well, You're all making hundreds
of thousands of dollars. Either be here, don't be here.
But I'm sick of the yearly, well, we're not doing enough.
Every school in the Big ten having this conversation as
outside of like five, right, is every school like super

(33:04):
pumped about their assistant salary pool No, because they're chasing
the top fifteen every if it's not nil, it's this,
it's facility, it's always something at some point, I don't know.
I mean, so go ahead, I don't. I don't want
to say more than I should, but I just it's
it's frustrating to just like like they are investing more
than they ever have. Every other school is there are

(33:26):
realities at a school like Minnesota that just aren't going
to be there. And I kind of get annoyed of
especially from dudes that have never been in the Big
ten before or you know where PJ gave them their
first break, you know, to get a good job it's like, yep, thanks,
that was cool, and again, advance your career. That's all fine.
It's just the whining about how little they get paid
when sometimes these guys leave the business and you know,

(33:47):
they go work selling film. Not not besmirching that. Okay,
everybody's got to make a living. But it's like, in
what world outside of football are you making half a
million dollars to teach a guy Ringo or Liz give me,
give me a break, Give me a break, all right.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
Last thing I kind of want to say with this
is Chip brought up total revenue and thanks to a
listener to the podcast and good friend of the podcast,
Eric Vigo, who does outstanding work for Gopher Puck Live.
Correct he went through in the last fiscal year of
data available, which to be clear, it is fiscal year
twenty three. From talking with him, because I love to
dive into the numbers as well, fiscal year twenty four

(34:25):
will come out here in probably a few weeks. But
Minnesota in that last fiscal year of data available did
one hundred and thirty five million dollars in revenue. Compare
that to IOWOAD and Wisconsin, who are both at one
hundred and fifty million. Like I just use those two
as an example because they're your two biggest rivals. Now,
if you think about that, I mean they have ten

(34:47):
percent more to play with because they have ten percent
more in their budget because they made ten percent more
in revenue. Which then this just comes back to part
of it is this is a revenue issue. You can't
spend money you don't have, like Rutgers takes money out
of the I think it's the general budget within the
state of New Jersey, which.

Speaker 5 (35:06):
Is a whole different rabbit hole if you ever want
to go down that, which that's how Kirk Shiraka can
make one point nine million dollars is taxpayer money, which
is ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
But that's again a whole different podcast. But I think
the crux of this, if you want to get back
to it, is they just need to make more money.
They need to make more revenue because this is a
university and an institution and Mark Coyle knows how to
balance a book like anybody else, but he's not going
to spend money he doesn't have. So when you look

(35:38):
at where they are kind of in comparison to some
of the other schools, they're probably I'm just eyeballing this
probably around twelve or so in the big ten in revenue,
where at least they were in the last data set.
But you just have to figure out how to get
more revenue if, at the end of the day, if
you want them to spend more, and again I don't
think finding an additional million dollars in the budget should

(36:00):
be that hard to do, but apparently they do. And
that's where the amount of sports that they support at
this institution, I think that's where it ultimately comes backguards is, Yeah,
if you want them to spend, they need to have
more money to spend, which means more revenue, more ticket sales,
more whatever it is, donations to the university athletic department, YadA, YadA,

(36:21):
And it's and to JIP's point two again, twenty one
million dollars is going to be coming out of that
budget to now pay players, and so now the budget
gets tighter, and so there's not a great answer. I
wish we had solutions to this problem now that we're
a half hour in, but we spend a lot more time.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
On this than I thought we will.

Speaker 4 (36:39):
Well yeah, well, I mean Mark Cole is on record
saying they're going to spend to the maximum. So I'm
curious to see how they get there, I really am,
because they balance the budget now, they do not have
a surplus. They balance the budget every year. So yep,
that twenty one million has to come from somewhere. You
talk about difficult conversations.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
You know, Yeah, a lot of changes are coming.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
Changes are coming, and it'll be the TV revenue that
will help with that. But it's not. That's like you said,
that's going to be gone as quickly as you get
it from the increase of what they were already getting, right,
if you just want to look at the reported numbers.
So yeah, it's uh, But I also think, you know,
it should adjust fans expectations, Like we've kind of talked
about burns. You've talked about this a lot. It's like

(37:22):
you expect you do. Fans, I think and observers they
expect the Gophers to be in a certain spot, like
how come Iowa can do this? How come Wisconsin do this?
A Milinoy can do this? How come the Gophers have
been able to do it?

Speaker 4 (37:33):
Well?

Speaker 1 (37:33):
A lot of it has had to do with investment,
right and financial It does matter as much as I
say it annoys me that you know, guys, are you
know you know.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
I'll tell you things can be true. It can annoy
the absolute piss out of you. Yeah, but it also
is true, you know.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
So I mean, I would say the staffs historically, going
back to Mace Too Chip have exceeded what exceeded the input.
They've punched above their weight, which you probably have to
do it a place like Minnesota until the money gets
you know, crazy, which it probably never woke right because
it's it's a pro sports town. So you do have
to find the Greg Harboes of the world, and we

(38:11):
haven't even you know, poor Danny Collins. He finally gets
a shot. We barely talked about him. Obviously. Part of
it is going to be because he can't go out
and hire Tom Allen, for example, who just left Penn
State enough to go be the defensive coordinator at Clemson.
It's good being Tom Allen man, and he got the
high out from Indiana. Then he goes to pennsyl.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
He's not hurt for money.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
Tom Allen believes in God. Yeah. Tom Allen first and
foremost wants to thank Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. In
any interview he does he believes that there is a god,
but they do. I do know, like the Danny Collins
succession plan, that's I've been hearing about that for four years,
you know, going like it might not be when Rossi leaves,

(38:52):
but it's gonna be soon, like they do. PJ raves
about him, thinks extremely highly about him. I know he
made one of those fancy lists that you love to
post about Burnsy a few years ago or maybe last year.
But he's very highly thought of, and so it was
a matter of if not win he was going to win,
not if he was going to get a shot at
this job. It's probably just a year or two earlier

(39:12):
than maybe some people thought.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
Yeah, that's the funny part about this whole thing is
you go back and look at the Western Michigan coaching staff,
and I think twenty sixteen, there's Danny Collins and Greg
Harbow his graduate assistants under there, and now here we
are eight nine, ten years later, and now they're both
coordinators for him. So he works his way up from
grad assistant to analysts to position coach to now defensive coordinator,

(39:36):
defensive play caller. Yeah, he's at thirty two years old
and I think he is. I think I looked at
his birthday there day. See if they're finally having guys
younger than me. He's got me by six months, so
I'm six months younger than him. He is not the
youngest defensive coordinator in power to Purdue just hired a
thirty one year old and Florida has a thirty one

(39:57):
year old defensive coordinator as well. But this is going
to be along the same lines of the Winstons of
the world. And I mean they took a chance on
Danny way back at Western Michigan, follows Fleck to Minnesota
and now here we are. So I mean he to
Guards's point, he made the AFCA's thirty five under thirty
five a couple of years ago. He's the guy who

(40:18):
recruited koy Perrich right when he got him signed here
at Minnesota.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
Right.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
There's the next question I get all the time since
this Heathermen thing is, well, what guys are going to
go to Miami with him? The portal is closed? Number one?
It does reopen again in April. But I don't know
that really anybody follows him, I mean has already turned
down bags. I mean he's already Koy Parrich is getting
well compensated here from the University of Minnesota.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
He's the anti Minnesota coordinator. He'll never be He's not
chasing the money. Yeah, does that?

Speaker 2 (40:52):
Does that really happen? In college?

Speaker 4 (40:53):
You fall a coordinator, you might fall a head coach,
but he really coordinator.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
Depends how much of a can actually you made with
those guys in twelve months, more.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
Your position coach than the than the coordinator. I think.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
So, I think you understand.

Speaker 4 (41:07):
I understand guys calling the head coach, but the coordinator
or coordinator that becomes a head coach.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
That's how Penix ended up with cal de Bor. But
that's different.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
But I think Danny's style is going to be a
combination of say Rossi's details because Joe Rossi and Danny
Collins spent a lot of time together here. But it's
also going to be I think Heatherman's aggressiveness. He was
the number two in command for both of them. And
again that's where the whole co co coordinator thing is
just so ridiculous to me. Again, don't get me started

(41:37):
about title inflation.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
And we don't have for that. Chip's got to go
in like five minutes we don't have time ten minutes.
I'm looking at I can tell you're getting jumpy. We're
well aware of the clock. Chips. Chip's got a big interview.
Mister projects is working, so of course we can't talk
about it.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
It was January. He somehow still has these gigantic interviews.
It's just the world never slows down for Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
So you know, I'm I'm on and now it's ninety
minutes asleep and went from three hours to ninety I'm
gonna make my day more dramatic. I somehow fit all
you guys into Chip's gotta go at nine fifty eight thirty,
you know, just to make sure he's got time to prepare.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
That's a producer.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
Yes, yeah, I'm gonna give you ninety seconds to get
on your your super important college. I'm sure he'll be
right on time because those things all of us are
so anyway, Danny Collins is ready to Rossi's.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
Details, Heatherman's aggressiveness. I bet he's gonna make it his own.
I mean, there's still gonna be a four to two
five defense that. I think that was the big thing
for Fleck was he wanted to keep a lot of
the things the same. Try to keep the culture the same,
the scheme the same, and let Danny have a chance
to tweak it and see what this twenty twenty five
defensive personnel, what their strengths are, how do you adapt
your scheme to it. But I also would say this

(42:44):
before we can transition to some Tom Allen, I think
ultimately Fleck ends up hiring like a senior defensive analyst
type like he did with Greg Harbow, with both Bill
leg and Eric Taylor, who if you don't know who
those two guys, there's two guys on the offensive staff
that have called a lot of plays in their lives,
so that the coordinator can have something to bounce off. Well,

(43:06):
Winston has never called plays, and he's like twenty seven, right,
Mariano's twenty five. Nick Monroe is forty ish and he
hasn't called plays. So I would imagine that they hire
a former defensive coordinator to the staff. Now I don't
know who that's going to be. Again, this is just
me speculating, but if their track record for what they

(43:27):
did a couple of years ago is anything, I think
that would make a lot of sense for them.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
All Right, Well, congratulations Danny Collins just saw him at
Shields a few weeks ago, walking out with his wife
and they just had a baby, right, Ranney Collins did,
So congratulations next year when I see it Shields, I
hope it's not. I don't say, oh, hey, congrats on
leveraging the open Michigan defensive coordinator job to get any
more money. But I do think he's gonna be good

(43:53):
because they've had their eye on him for this role
for a really long time. We've got like four minutes
because mister projects has to go. So we're going to
skip right ahead to the college football Championship game because
this is the last time we're going to talk before
then that we've got, you know, a pretty good game,
pretty compelling matchup Ohio State Notre Dame. I don't think
we've reviewed the semi finals, not that that's important. I

(44:15):
honestly don't remember. But we'll talk next week and recap
the game. But what are you guys looking forward to
on Monday night? Or the first twelve team playoff National
Championship game?

Speaker 3 (44:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (44:24):
I thought this would be the two teams.

Speaker 4 (44:26):
Notre Dames defense really has impressed me throughout the whole thing.
But we said from the beginning. When Ohio State plays
at they're ceiling. I don't think there's a team better
than them. I mean, their skill, guys, their firepower, nobody
can match it. If they're engaged and they're playing the.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Way they are capable of, I think they win it.
I just think they're a better team. I think get
more talent.

Speaker 4 (44:48):
They seem on a mission. After the Michigan thing. They
seem they've come out really strong. I just think this
is their year and I think I don't know if
the Michigan thing was good for him, bat whatever, but
it definitely they've hit this playoff with force, and their
talent has come to you know, has shown up, and

(45:10):
so I think they win.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
I don't know how handily, but I don't think. I
just don't know that Notre Dame can keep pace with him.

Speaker 3 (45:21):
And offensively, yeah, that's where Notre Dame because you look
at Jim Knowles's defense, they have been incredible the entire season.
They're holding teams to sub seventeen points. Like if Notre
Dame's gonna have a shot up Monday, Jeremiah Love and
that running attack need to play ball control. It can't
allow that other opposing offense to be on the field,
because if Ohio State gets into the twenties, which it's

(45:42):
Ohio State, it's Will Howard, it's Jeremiah Smith, they're already
in the twenties.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Yeah they start there.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
It's Wednesday morning and they're in the twenties.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
Like, that's where if this thing gets into a negative
game script where they're down Notre Dame is fourteen to three,
I mean, this thing could get pair shape in a
hurry because Notre Dame wants to lean on their run
game and they want to lean on again that they
want to lean on everything that PJ. Fleck wants to
lean on. They just have the athletes and the bodies
to do it at a much higher level. So that's

(46:12):
where if this thing is going to be a close,
I think you're going to see that this Notre Dame
offense has to have a I mean, it's not David
versus Goliath because we're talking about two teams in the
National Championship Game. That's yeah, that's hyperbole. But I mean
Jim Knowles's defense, I think is not getting talked about
as much as that offense is. For Chip Kelly out there,

(46:33):
But I mean they are doing the Lord's work on
that side of the ball.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
We had. We didn't talk about the games because they
were Thursday and Friday last week. How about poor Drew
alar in that interception after Greg McElroy spends three minutes
telling you, I mean, he couldn't have set up for
any more of a fall, Like I put it in
this guy's hands. He's going to make a great decision.
You trust your guy.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
Blah blah blah.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
He didn't even finish the sentence and as the balls
leaving him, Michael, that's not a good throw. And then
the best tweet I saw about the game winning field
goal for Notre Dame was that thing started right. It
looked like yeah, yeah right, And somebody tweeted out, you
know the thing was was wide right, but the love
of Jesus' love pushed it back in between the press

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and Notre Dame in the National Championship game. Yeah yeah,
it'll be a good game. It'll be fun.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
I gotta plug for for our readers out there.

Speaker 4 (47:25):
I got a cool local angle on this game from
a column that's I think it's gonna be in print Sunday,
might be online Friday or Saturday but a cool local
angle and involving Marcus Freeman, my guy James Laurnidis.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
I was gonna say, yeah, there's got to be a
Laurniitis bid and he loves anybody like you love Laurenidis.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
And former go for Don Barber. Okay, A cool, A
cool kind of a.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
What a tease you put out great stuff. It's unbelievable.
We're just so grateful you make time for us on
this stupid little podcast. Unbelievable. The conversation you're about to
have with the Dignitary we can't even talk about. Oh, unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
Well, here's the question I want to pose to our
listeners before our next episode is I asked these two
this question before, and I still don't know the answer.
Between the two of these guys, who has the more
flexing type of rolodex where they can say, well, yeah,
in my phone, we'll do.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
For a while. Well, I'll say this, I think Chip
has asked me for more numbers than I've asked him.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
That's right, Yeah, I would say guard.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
Yeah, if I had to say that Chip has asked
me for more numbers than I've asked from him, that
our roles are a little different but not too dissimilar.
So yeah, leave it in the YouTube channel comments or
tweet at us, or as always, just email Chip with
all of your great ideas. He loves that. All right, Chip,
you go fly. Appreciate you guys. No, we're good. We
will talk to everybody next week thanks to Jack's Cafe

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as always, great partners, Jaxcafe dot com. Your reservations. Valentine's
Day is coming up. What a great opportunity. Unless you're
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anybody to Jack's Cafe. So maybe go get another job
out of Big ten school and then come back to
go to Jack's Cafe. You know, really make it a
big deal, a celebration dinner that you milked another fifty

(49:17):
grand out. Can you tell I'm bitter and haven't slept,
But anyway, for real Valentine's Day. It's a great spot.
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