January 2025: Ohio State Wins Title, Wisconsin Portal Problem, CFP Recap

Chip Scoggins, Ryan Burns and Justin Gaard are back to review Ohio State's win over Notre Dame to win the National Championship. What does it mean for the Buckeyes moving forward? What does it mean for Notre Dame? They also talk a little bit about some Gopher portal stuff and the controversy over a former Wisconsin player having issues getting into the portal.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Glenn Mason said a long time ago at the University
of Minnesota, you need.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
A Pair and a Spare.

Speaker 1 (00:04):
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(00:26):
over all the talk, all the speculation. It seems like
just yesterday the three of us were at Huntington Banks
Stadium for fall camp. Chip was following around Coy Parritch
like a little puppy dog, making sure he was going
to return punts eventually and what spot he was going
to get to play. And now here we are, day one.
Fast forward twenty ish weeks and the season is over

(00:49):
and the Ohio State University you're national champions. We are
taping this about eleven hours after the confetti fell in Atlanta.
The Buck Guys with a pretty decisive but then kind
of interesting victory over Notre Dame. Let's start there. Chip,
I'll start with you. You wrote the column, you know,
with the local angles going through anytime you can get

(01:11):
James Lauren and you do it. He was the Choy
Parrish before Coy Parrish for you. But a pretty good
title game Ohio State. I think everybody kind of agreed
at the beginning, if they play up to their capabilities,
they will win the national championship. And they pretty much
ran through this twelve team playoffs, starting with your volunteers
and all the way through.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yeah, I the beginning of season. I always do my
kickoff previous stuff, and I picked Ohio State to win
a national title. Didn't look too good after Michigan, but
they clearly had the most talent in college football. I
mean when you look at their playmakers on offense, and
we said it going in that as good as Notre
Dames defenses looked, they pretty much had. I don't know

(01:54):
that they could score with Lyle State. They just have
too many weapons. And give credit. I mean I thought
that game was done when it was thirty one to seven,
and Notre Dame kept fighting, and you know you got
to turn over after spectacular catch and run there. But
whatever it was at Michigan, I don't know if it's
a wake up call. I don't know if it made
him angry with the flag planning, if it was whatever

(02:16):
happened there that got that team focused. What I see
today was there average margin of victory eighteen points in
the UH in the playoff. Yeah, that's a pretty impressive
run when you when you look at you know, you Tennessee,
which you know had some firepayer Oregon, Texas, and then
Notre Dame. That's a pretty impressive run to win those

(02:37):
four games by margin of eighteen points. So they clearly
were the best team.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
I saw the tweet this morning, and again I wish
I remember who tweeted it because I give them credit.
But Ohio State was the only team this season to
beat five teams that were ranked in the AP top
five at the time. Right, Yeah, I mean they beat
I mean Oregon twice, they beat Penn State, Indiana, Tennessee, Texas,
Notre Dame. I mean, if you want to put on
the tinfoil hat, which you know I love.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
To oh boy already or just at the three minute
mark of the podcast, we're already doing this.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
Well, that's where I saw the conspiracy theorist last night
trying to tell me that they lost to Michigan just
so they could get the better seed. That was where
they had to go through Oregon, which was Ryan. Hey,
I'm not telling you, I believe it. I'm just giving
the listeners the information.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
We don't need to give oxygen to stupidity, all right,
we don't need to do this. We don't need to
do this. I read a story. I mean, his son
barely even went to school after they lost to Michigan.
I can you imagine as a father, Hey kiddo, gonna
be a little rough for three weeks. We'll get you
to Christmas break, but we got to drop this one
to Michigan just so we get a better seed. Come on,

(03:47):
let's not give there's too much good stuff burns. Let's
not give oxygen to stupidity. But go ahead. We had
to put the brakes on that one. I know.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
I'm with Chip though. I think I thought coming into
the season at Ohio State and Oregon were the two
best teams in the Big Ten. And I almost would
argue that that first time around out in Oregon, when
we were all out there at the Rosebull that was
almost like the de facto national championship yea, where you
got those two against each other for the first time,
Haymakers left and right. But Ohio State is just so gifted.

(04:17):
I mean that game started exactly the way it needed
to start, with that eighteen play drive for Notre Dame
just sucking the life out of it. PJ. Fleck with
somewhere watching that game with a giant smile on his face.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
With with Eric Decker in Nashville. Probably yeah, I'll talk
about that go ahead.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
But Ohio State is just so gifted athletically. You just
saw the difference between that's Notre Dame athletes the other
like they are recruiting at a brute a blue chip level.
Yet Jeremiah Smith and Chips Boy the tailback there, Judkins,
I mean, they have so much athleticism everywhere, or even

(04:58):
the big boys up front, Like people for get that
Ohio State just won a national title losing their first
round left tackle in the playoff, plus their center and
they had to slide some guys around and you would
never have known.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Well, how about it when it's third and eleven, you know,
the game's still undecided at that point. Third and eleven
all out blints and you're gonna single covered. Jeris, that
was a choice football probably. You know Mark Mark Craig,
my colleague who's covered the NFL for you know, one
hundred years. Do I respect his opinion? He said that

(05:33):
guy'd be a top five receiver in the NFL today.
He thinks he's that gifted.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
You know, we love to speak and hyperble and I
profession trust me, I understand Ashton Gent and Travis Hunter. Again, guys,
we all voted for for the Heisman, but goodness gracious,
Jeremiah Smith is going to be so fun to watch
these next.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
Two And.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
Like I, I, you know, I understand the rule of
the three year rule, but if he could come out
and and and being the draft this year, was he
the number one pick non quarterback?

Speaker 1 (06:04):
Probably? Like you know how teams roll, they Yeah, but
it's worth a discussion for sure. And you're right, Chip,
the It was so funny that that last series it's
too Will Howard runs for nothing and everyone's going, oh boy, yeah,
oh what's going on here? And then Ryan Day and
Will Howard just throw it all out on the table

(06:25):
and go, oh you think we're tight, just hold on
and Chip Kelly is obviously, yeah, the big time offensive coordinator,
former head coach, former NFL coach, the whole bit, great
offseason acquisition, obviously saying you think we're afraid to go
win this game, hold my beer, hold my rum runner,

(06:46):
We'll go ahead and win this game. That was incredible
And yeah, I'm sure Marcus Freeman hasn't slept thinking about
how do we let that guy beat us? How do
we how do we it wreaked of Arizona State against Yeah, right, overtime,
Like you live by it, you die by it. You
want to be aggressive, you want to dictate some things.
But against good teams and good players, they might have

(07:06):
the answer. And Sam Darnold might not have had the
answer against Detroit or the Rams, but Will Howard and
Jeremiah Smith had the answer. And that was what a
signature play to win that though. That was incredible.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
He just ran right by the guy and just throw
up this you know, this tear drop pass and yeah,
just how physically gifted and he really I think they
were saying last night, Herbie was saying, was that his
first catch in the second half because they went I
thought they got really just let's milk the clock and
run the ball, you know, and.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
Jim Trussell was in attendance. There was no Jim Tressel,
Jim Trust was there. There was definitely a tip of
the cap to him on how that second half was played.
But I don't blame him. Yeah, I mean, you're up big.
You don't need to win the net you could I
guess when the national title sixty to seven.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah, thirty one seven, every coach probably would have done that.
You know, you just run the ball, you're playing great defense,
and then you know you have the turnover that that
gave him a little life there. But it's interesting. When
was that Michigan game?

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah, day after Friday, Yeah, November thirtieth.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
We were thinking Ryan Day was done at that point. Remember
they were ready to run him out of Columbus because he.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
Direct quotes that next podcast was well he better go
win the national championship or going to be out.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
But I think we all I remember saying, would we
just be surprised that they pulled it together and went
and won the national title? No, because they were They
had that kind of talent, so what a It was
a Donald esque change of fortunes for Ryan Day in
terms of public opinion right the other way. Yeah, I mean,

(08:42):
you know, I you know, people whatever they feel about him,
But you feel good when a guy is getting run
out of town and all of a sudden picks himself
up and goes wins the national title.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
Yeah. Bruce Feldman from The Athletic wrote a good piece
where he talked to his family. He talked to his
wife last night, talked to his son, talked to his
father in law who was a long time Division into
basketball coach, I guess, and they had some great quotes
just about what it was like and just how Ryan
was through that deal. And basically, no one feel sorry
for it. You pick yourself up, you go to work,
you try to figure it out. And I obviously Ohio

(09:13):
state adversity is different than most people's adversity, right, Like
it cuts it a little thick about like pooh, man,
what these guys have been through and blah blah blah.
They're all getting paid a lot of money. Obviously, it's
not for everybody. You sign up for that job, like,
you walk into that job knowing exactly what the expectations are.
They're insane, they're irrational, it's foolish, but it's Ohio State's.

(09:34):
It's one of five or six jobs that have that
right that it is. You do have to be ready
for it, even if it is crazy. But it was
cool to read some of the family stuff, just about
how he was the coach through all of it, and
even players talking about how steady he was and taking
the pressure off of his guys. And I do think.
I don't think they lost a Michigan game to get
a better seed. I'm not gonna go that far, but

(09:59):
I do think in a weird way, it gave them
some extra galvanizing force of no one here, even in
our own city, believes we can go do this. You know,
three weeks ago, Tennessee fans are driving up the interstate,
you know, putting you know, Tennessee stickers on the welcome
to Columbus sign, you know, thinking they're about to take

(10:19):
over the place. I mean, it was just bad vibes
all around. Right. People were talking about how much orange
was going to be there. People were talking about they
how much pressure was on Ohio State and whatever it was,
whether it relieved the tension losing to Michigan or gave
them something to kind of settle themselves in a refocus it. Obviously,
you can say, I think, hey, Michig losing, of course

(10:41):
was awful to Michigan, but now nobody is going to
care about it, or the only people that care about
it are idiots, because they just went and had one
of the best runs that college of college football team
has ever had.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
Yeah, I mean, in some way, you say, there's still
Ohio State, right, and had of things looked and all that,
You're still Ohio State. You still have Jeremiah Smith and
Henderson and all these five star towns everywhere.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Jack Sawyer, guys that came ye to come back this moment.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
Who's now the all time receptions leader?

Speaker 2 (11:17):
I mean, how many guys on that roster are four
and five stars when they came out of high school?

Speaker 3 (11:23):
Ninety five?

Speaker 2 (11:25):
I mean seventy of them. I don't know the.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
Three star I can't remember what it was because I
was reading about him, like they took a three star man?
What happened there.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
At the end of the Yeah, we need one more
guy that we go.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
I guess they needed a body.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
But yeah, I mean, yes, it's a terrible loss, and
you don't want to lose the game, but you know
they had too much talent for that, the sabotage who
they are, right and so and they when they put
their foot on the gas there. I just didn't think
there's any team that was gonna be able to keep

(12:02):
even you know, Oregon is highestpart. I just think there's
any team that was gonna keep pace with him offensively
in all those skill makers, and you look at just
their running backs and then you throw in their wide receivers, like,
how do you defend that group? You know, as long
as Will Howard didn't screw it up with picks, it
was gonna be hard to uh, you know, control that offense.
Answer enough, scored enough against and score enough against their

(12:24):
defense to keep pace.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
It's we're twelve minutes in. Now, we've had one conspiracy
three minutes and then ship we just brought up the
guy I wanted to talk about out the top. We're
twelve and a half minutes in. We didn't even talk
about the quarterback Will Howard, who played standing last night.
Well the entire playoff, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
Going up against against Tennessee and Oregon.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
Yes, yes, absolutely, and last night they didn't have an
answer for him running the ball. I mean, wasn't the
number like seven or eight first downs with his legs. Yeah,
and some of them were designed, you know, the old
tim tebow. You know, we're just gonna you know, do
a quick third and two and you're gonna run it.
That's old school highle state, you know, going back a
couple of coaches. But he was unbelievable. That ninety percent

(13:05):
completion percentage in the first half. Again, he's got talent.
Just run the offense, don't screw it up. But we've
seen a lot of guys screw it up when they've
had talent. And he was great the whole playoff. And
I was just really impressed with him last night, just
managing everything and controlling the game and answering right after
you know, the ten minute drive that Burnsy talked about,
like that's important, right to go right back down the

(13:27):
field and there they had one. They they didn't even
finish their first possession in the first quarter. It spanned
it went into quarter number two, right, Yeah, they picked
up a third down and went into the second quarter
and then scored there quickly thereafter. But man, Howard was
outstanding last night.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
It was his first thirteen completions, right, first thirteen passes
were completed Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
Like he was coming into that playoff, you didn't know
what you were going to get. He'd been kind of
up and down. They didn't ask him to do too much,
and that's we're in this playoff. I mean, I think
about that Oregon game when I remember getting to I
think we're in Charlotte for the Bowl game watching that,
and when he hit that second throw across the middle
for a touchdown, I'm like, it's not gonna be Oregon's day.

(14:13):
Like Will Howard is gonna be white hot like this,
You're just not gonna go because they're just too talented.
And that's almost part of it is they asked him
to be. I think game manager isn't the right term.
But if he's going to play above that level of
like a glorified game manager and he's not going to
turn the ball over and he's gonna make big time throws,

(14:34):
you're just not gonna be at Ohio State, especially if
they're gonna beat you in the take give and just
not turn the ball over in these big spots. Yeah,
I'm with guards you. That was the thing I wanted
to discuss, Like Will Howard was really good and he's
gonna go to the Senior Bowl now, and like he's
probably got a pretty good chance to be drafted somewhere
in the middle rounds after a performance like this against
some of the best athletes in college football.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
All Right, anything else Ohio State related we want to
talk about before talk a little bit about Notre Dame.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
Go for it.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
So what does Notre Dame take out of that game
last night? Obviously not to start that they wanted, great,
great start, I should say, and then after that it
was a disastrous first half. They've got penalties, they had
the you know, the tight end hitting the snap, you know,
didn't look like he was supposed to get the ball.
Wasn't like I don't think many people are running the
jet sweep direct snap right to the tight end. The

(15:26):
operation was not running very smoothly for Marcus Freeman's crew.
They obviously they did this against Penn State too, right,
they come back, they obviously figure out a way to
manage things and get themselves back into it. And Ohio
State had something to do with that with how they
decided to run things and obviously the turnover. But you
got to figure like they'll be kicking themselves even though
they're Notre Dame. You never know when you're getting back

(15:47):
in this situation, and just that basically last twenty minutes
of the first half really made it an uphill battle
for them. And I'm sure they're going to be thinking
about that.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
Yeah, I mean I think they'll look at their self
inflicted mistakes. I just thought, particularly a second quarter, you
saw the difference in speed even with Notre Dame, with
their guys, I mean, there was just a Ohio state skill.
Guys are just super fast. They're hard to tackle. I
give you know, you could say they're the second best team.

(16:18):
I mean they after the Northern Illinois, what were we
saying about Notre Dame, How they're done? You know what's
going on here? And for them to not lose again
until they get to the national championship game. I think
it speaks to Marcus Freeman. I think it speaks to
you know, uh, the players that they do have, and
they showed them a lot of toughness. It sounds like
they're losing or could loser. Do you see the tweet

(16:41):
that their defensive coordinators the priority for is it the Bengals?
That happened like a minute after the game.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Well, what happened right when Jeremiah Smith caught the ball.
No wonder, no wonder, they've become al Golden was looking
at his fallen right before.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
Yeah, it's it's like you've been waiting for that, you know,
as soon as that game is over. Okay, say he's
the leading candidate for this is the Bengals, right.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
I think ye actress coach before he took the note
it last night.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
But it's like that one was in the chamber.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Yeah, it will be interesting to see because I mean,
obviously the Bearers hired Ben Johnson and after you know,
there's reports that they wanted to talk to Marcus Freeman.
I don't know is the NFL and Marcus H. Freeman's
future here in the next few years. I I I
have a lot of respect for him, and I didn't

(17:35):
you know, I call him. I talked about James Lorenidis's
best friends with him and and Don Barber former Gopher. Uh. Great,
Uh it is friends with him, and they have you know,
a three group chat with the three m they send
each oir video and they said he's just an awesome dude.
Always send him back support messages to them, and and

(17:55):
just a really quality person. So I'd love to see
him stay in the college game too. It was It
wouldn't surprise me if the NFL team said, you know what,
that guy's a leader and somebody we'd want to run
our organization, so I could. I wouldn't be surprised if
some team in the next few years try to try
to hire them.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
I think what I take away from Notre damn season
is they don't have to join a conference because if
they can do something like this and still make their
NBC money and make it to the National Title Game,
what incentive is there for them to join one of
these power two conferences such as the Big Ten?

Speaker 1 (18:30):
Right?

Speaker 3 (18:31):
I mean, if they can lose to Northern Illinois and
then go unscathed and the rest of their ACC schedule,
what point is there for them to do?

Speaker 1 (18:39):
So?

Speaker 2 (18:40):
Did you see they get to keep all the money
too themselves. They don't have to They don't have to
share it with the conference. Like why would you what
was the figure for getting their twenty million? Like you
don't you don't have to divvy that up. That's all
Notre Dame. So that just embulms you to say, well,
why would we want to go somewhere where we at
because I think the NB I think that was a
whole talk about, uh yeah, maybe they'll joined the Big Ten.

(19:00):
But then I think the NBC came up and basically
I don't know either mash or was close to what
each Big Ten team is given out from their TV distribution.
So if it's close and you can still get to
the playoffs and you have access to it, why would
you want to, you know, forfeit your independence.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
Well that's the only thing if the Big Ten and SEC,
in their continuing attempt to monopolize all power and make
it the Big two, if they finally just say Nope,
no independence. You got to be in a conference otherwise
we're not in Like that's the only way it happens.
But I don't see I don't see that happening. It burns.
You're right. Maybe there's been different times in the in
history where joining the conference probably made sense for Notre Dame,

(19:41):
but it's always kind of broken their way that they
didn't have to do it. You know, the NBC deal,
the CHIP talked about the fact that you're allowed access
to the playoff because if that faucet got shut off,
then yeah, they'd have to jump in with somebody, And
James Franklin even said that before they played in the Semis.
He said, I think everybody should have to be in
a conference, no disrespect to anybody, but including coach Freeman,
who's right next to me. But and I understand his point.

(20:03):
I do. I get everybody's point that you wanted to
try to be as level as you know, everybody you
know have to kind of do the same thing to
get in. But as long as people when they put
this new plan together, and I think there's you know
what two years left on this current TV deal for
the playoff, yeah, twenty five and twenty six, as long
as that's an option for him. And they tried to
quote unquote penalized Notre Dame and say you can't host

(20:26):
a game, host a game, yeah or no, and you
can't be a top four seed. But that's might change
now too, right, It's so that can possibly change that
they could be a number three seed, not still not
host a game on campus, but at least get a
first round by because that was kind of the penalty
for them not being in a conferences. They couldn't get

(20:48):
a first round by if I remember correctly, and obviously
that didn't really hurt them getting into a championship game.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Yeah, the way that the rules are saying now, they
could never be get the first round by because it
has to be a conference winner. See if that changes,
I think it should. I mean we think we said
it for weeks that it's ridiculous that a team that's
ranked eleventh is you know, in your your rankings, is
a third seed. That that makes no sense.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
But you meet about that in the last two days.
I miss remembering.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah, they met. It's the national championship game, and they
were saying no change in terms of going to you know,
twelve to sixteen. But they're but it. I think they
had to be unanimous in their vote to change the
structure of the rules. So I don't know where that
that stood. I didn't think anything came out on that,
but I might have missed it too. But uh, strength

(21:37):
to schedule Notre Dame. I mean, it can't be that high,
But I just I would be stunned. I mean Notre
Dame with with how much has changed in college sports,
with realignment and all these different things going on that
Notre Dame is continuously she said, not we're good, We're
going to stay right here. So if it hasn't compelled

(21:59):
them yet at you're right, the only thing that would
force them to change is uh TV money being so
out of whack with the big two conferences and their
ability to get into the playoffs. That's the only two
things I would see that would force them to come
off the position that you know, we're going to stay independent.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
I think again, just speaking conference wise now, with Ohio
State winning it and then Michigan the year before, how
do you think Chip is our resident SEC resident or
maybe non resident?

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (22:30):
How do you?

Speaker 3 (22:31):
Yeah? How do you think fine Bloom and all those
guys down there.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
In the Fine Bloom put some respect on Paul Finbaum's name.
Please if you add an L for the SEC.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
Wow, you know your guy from Fox nine there, Paul
Bloom Bloom.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Paul, have you been drinking?

Speaker 3 (23:05):
It's ten in the morning. I absolutely not.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Well, Judge, and by some tweets from Lane Kiffin, I'm
sure they're still mad about I love you said entertaining,
you know, entertaining playoff you got here or whatever. Yeah,
well they're you know, they're they're still going to cling
to you know, we have the strongest conference and we
beat each other and all that stuff. You know, but sorry,

(23:34):
that's that's you know, proofing the results. And you weren't
you know what I mean, you weren't. I mean just
that it was so. But those things are cyclical. I
mean Big ten will come back and probably have a
great year next year. I mean's that's how it is.
But you know they play eight games conference games, Big

(23:57):
ten plays nine. I think Big ten would want them
to play nine. You know, you're never gonna have when
you have so many It's not like the NFL where
you got thirty two teams. You got how many different conferences, universities,
different everything. You're not gonna have uniformity. It's just it's
not possible. You know, you don't have one commissioner, you
have you know, right different So it's you're not gonna

(24:20):
have uniformity. So in how your conferences, you know, go
all this stuff. So it's we're always going to have
this fodder to argue in debate about. So I don't
think the SEC is going to feel less in boldened
to think that they're superior to everyone else because they
didn't win a national title last two years.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
Right, I mean, what was the streak before that was
over a decade, right, yeah, exactly winning it, And it's
a different world now with the different obviously with twelve teams,
we all think it'll probably expand here in the next
couple of years in terms of the twelve team playoffs.
The first year, I thought it was awesome. Obviously, you're
gonna you're gonna want to tweak some stuff. I'm sure
they will. It's the first year college football is been

(25:00):
around for like one hundred and fifty years. Like not
everything's gonna go smoothly right away when you just immediately
change something. But even you look at the two teams
last night, in years past, they would have had no
chance to be in a college football National Championship game.
With Notre Dame losing to Northern Illinois and obviously with
Ohio State losing two games, including one to a very
average Michigan team as recently as last year, those two

(25:22):
teams would not be in it. So I know some
people think it devalues the regular season. I think the
exact opposite. I think it keeps the regular season relevant
for longer. Four teams like that, it makes big games
in November to try to get into a conference title game,
to give yourself a chance to try to get yourself
into the top twelve if you're gonna be one of
the out large bits. I thought obviously, like I said,

(25:44):
we're gonna tweak some stuff, but pretty good first year
for the College Football Playoff in its new form.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Let me, guys ask you this. I talked to two
people yesterday that watch college football. They're college football fans.
They thought that at it lost some steam because it
went so long. And I was wondering if because we're
so this magical New Year's Day ingrained in us, like

(26:14):
college football, that's when it came to it. It comes,
you know, college fotball comes to head New Year's Day.
That's our our time. I don't know if you guys
felt that that lost some steam because it went long.
You know it's January twentieth when it finished. Yeah, would
it help to move the season up? Yes, forget the
transfer portal stuff, but have it closer. Have it finished
closer to New Year's Day than January twentieth. Does that

(26:34):
make sense?

Speaker 3 (26:35):
That was my one gripe from last night because I
saw a few people online and I know Guardy is
a part of this bandwagon, like I don't know if
it was because it was a Monday night in deep
within the NFL playoffs. It was also Inauguration Day. It's
just like it just felt like it there wasn't as
much steam as there used to be for something like this,
And I do think it's because the season is so

(26:57):
long now, which then we get into the whole argument
of moving it up into to mid August for a
start date. But then we get into the whole academic
calendar situation, which I guess for as we sit here today,
there's still student athletes. But we'll see how much longer
until there's a CBA or whatever there is between all
the powers it be. But yeah, I'm with that is

(27:19):
it just felt like this thing drug on too far.
I don't know, I guards you, what do you think?

Speaker 1 (27:25):
Well, but it was only if you look in history,
it was only about ten days longer than it's been.
I always think like the Monday night. To me, it's
always kind of been like, oh, yeah, the National Championship
Games tonight, you know, on a Monday, because you are
in the NFL playoffs and you would have been last
weekend too, right, even if you moved it up a

(27:45):
weekend but I do think so. I think it's always
kind of lost a little bit of the steam. But
I do agree probably January twentieth, like after you've gone
through the last month NFL is at fever pitch, it
is gonna if yeah, close to January one would probably
be beneficial for everybody. But the problem is how do

(28:06):
you do it? I mean, I do think it's it
should be easy to just roll up two weeks and
say we're just starting camp a week or two early,
and we're gonna go and that's gonna be the bit
because I don't think they're gonna take away any games
in college football, just like the NFL, They're only going
to add. Yeah, I but I yeah, if for all
kinds of purposes, I think it would be better to

(28:28):
end in earlier January than we are right now. We'll
see if they have the juice to pull it off.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Yeah, and I don't know that. I'm curiously what the
TV rankings are, and it's not the end all be all,
but it might be a little bit different because it
doesn't have a But I mean, you got two of
the bluest blue bloods the earth. Now does that impact
because it doesn't have an SEC team, and we know
you know that. I don't know. I'm curious to see
what they were, but.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
You know, I was talking about with the buddy friend
last night and we were talking about that Jane were first,
and I was like, man, you know, it's there's something
to that, because it's just that's it's ingrained in us,
like January first, that's that's college football's time. And even
when it was two is like January seventh, right, So
you're right, it's not like obscenely different. I mean ten days,

(29:17):
but if they could move it up, but then then
it gets into you know, the academic calendar. And also,
and I talked about this previously with you guys, it
would just feel a little weird to me to have
a couple of home games when students aren't on your campus.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
I mean we had a friend that I'll tell a
story again that their child went to a PAC twelve
school last year and or maybe in this year. It
might have been like Washington. I can't remember who it was,
but it's you know, and they're on the quarter system
different and their child missed like three games. They had
three home games before their child even got on campus.

(29:58):
I'm like, man, that's yeah, it's odd, you know, it
misses you know, and this was this was a freshman.
He couldn't move out there. I mean, you're going in
the door. So it's not like I just I thought
that was that would take something away from the experience.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
Now, you know, you're probably right.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
I don't know, I don't know. There's probably not a
perfect answer or anything, but but I would be in
favor of moving up if you could hit more towards
the first of January than the end.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
For a million reasons. The transfer portal thing, which is ongoing,
right is another reason to do it.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
Which speaking of did you see the AFCA and your
guy Craig Bowl. That was their big proclamation after the
AFCA convention.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
Here in the last the ten day window.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
They wanted to eliminate the December and April spring portal
periods and just have one ten day portal from January
tewond to the twelfth. Now, that's got to be adopted,
and it doesn't sound like the powers that be want
to do that, but that is what the coaches are
suggesting to do.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yeah, but you're still gonna, uh, well, how many teams
would that impact and if the schedule you're talking about what.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
First?

Speaker 1 (31:08):
None, Yeah, well basically twelve the ones that are in
the playoff.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yeah, but something would be done by when's the couple?

Speaker 1 (31:14):
I mean, it's it's all it was basically, wasn't it.
I guess they played the twentieth Yeah, so about half
of them probably would.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Yeah, And we even saw last night. Ohio State has
a guy that I think is going to cal the
quarterback he hung yeah, yeah, and was there last night
with the confetti giving will Howard a Huggs. I mean
you can I think maybe the maybe you could even
ride in, Like, hey, there's guys that are in the portal,
you can talk to them, they can commit if it's
a playoff team, but we're we're gonna let them ride

(31:46):
it out, which I think is fair, Like stay back up.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
Can you imagine one portal window? How many guys would
go in there? That would if you didn't have two windows?
That kind of Uh.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
I don't mind. I don't mind minimizing it. Honestly, I'm
sure Well Burns you like the clicks at a couple
of different times in the year, so that was a.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
Break in December.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
Yeah, I get into the mare.

Speaker 3 (32:11):
Is the portal whenever it is. But remember, as we've
learned here in the last week, the portal isn't even real.
It's all theoretical. Compared with the new case that's going
on there.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
You mean the Xavier Lucas case.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
Correct?

Speaker 1 (32:25):
Are you just driving this bus now? We're just dictating
the show all.

Speaker 3 (32:28):
These natural transitions. I feel like a certain radio station
from three to six thirty.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
So let's do a radio thing. Let's talk about the
Xavier Lucas thing, Wisconsin versus Miami when we come back.
That's called a tease. Burnsy, you can't just blow through
all your good content before we talk about Jack's Cafe.
So we'll talk about what's going on in Madison and
Coral Gables in a minute. But first, let's talk about
our great friends at Jack's Cafe jaxcafe dot com to

(32:54):
make your reservations, and Chips Coggins is broker in a
big deal with our friends at Jack's Cafe that we
want to tell people about. We've told you how great
it is for dinner, how great it is for lunch,
how amazing it is for brunch, family outings, big events,
holiday parties, Valentine's Day, date night, whatever it is. But

(33:14):
we may in the next couple of months be looking
to do something chipper. What do we got Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
We don't have exact details yet, but I will say
that something's cooking, something special. Bill came to me with
this idea. Let's just say we might have a gathering there,
a parent of spare gathering there for a dinner that
would benefit a good cost. So we're trying to nail
it down. But this is a tease. I want all

(33:43):
our parents spare listeners to come and hang out with
us for a dinner. Let's just say that. Let's say
if we put together dinner ac in April, let's see
if we can get a an overflow. Let's sell out
however many spots there are. But we'll have more exact details.
But something big is coming. We all three be part

(34:04):
of it, probably maybe some former Gopher players. That's we
got something big. We got something big rolling out, so
just put it in your planner. If you guys have
player April, lock out of April, but.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
Maybe right around the non existent spring game, maybe.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
Be thinking about it. But we got something big coming
to Jackson. We hope when it all finalized that you
will join us there.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
Do you know how many people have come up to
me and said they wish they could have crembrew let
with Chips Goggins, And now they're going to get the opportunity.
They're going to block out everything from five pm on
in the month of April. Make sure on the menu
just buckets of it too, because the amount of start
your Day shirts that Chip's gonna have to sign and

(34:50):
then take pictures with that that it's a line that's
going to be out the door guards.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
That's right, Yeah, well, and you're gonna have to there's
gonna we know that no matter which banquet room we're in.
At Jack's Cafe, they have plenty of power outlets for
your chargers, So bring your phone charge. Everybody'll be charging.
That'll be you'll get a ticket for the event. Your
name will be somewhere. But we're gonna check everybody's phones
to make sure they're at one hundred percent before they
come in. Otherwise Chip won't be able to proceed with

(35:15):
the program If he knows somebody on their phone, he's
not sure they're gonna be able to make it through.
I know how to make sure I get my uber.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
I got to check it.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
We're not checking ideas and make sure you're eligible to
drink or now we're checking anyway.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
Yeah, Bill called Chip with a great idea that we
hope is going to come to Fruition in April, and
it will will make it happen, but just kind of
a live show, maybe a little bit of a round table,
as Chipper said, maybe some former gofers will join us
as well, but a good night and it will be
around spring football because spring football will be going on
in some former fashion. Don't know if they're going to
do an actual game this year. It didn't bother me
one bit that they did in a year ago. So

(35:52):
save your tweets and complaints for Burnsy's message board because
I'm fine with not doing one. But hopefully, Yeah, we'll
see people in April. We'll give you more details in
the next couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
And I do think fans will like to cause what
some of the money goes through.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
It's not Ryan Burries. Yeah, that's another tea all right,
but before that you can certainly go to Jackson. I
would recommend it. Love when people come up and say, hey,
I went to Jackson Cafe. It was awesome. It was
everything that you told me it was going to be.
Bill was great, services, great, food was amazing. Parking was
obviously very easy. Chip's favorite bit, we wouldn't lie to you,
and we love going to Jackson. We love how Jackson
supported us and supported all of you. So please reciprocate

(36:30):
when you can make your reservations at Jaxcafe dot com.
All right, Burnsy, you couldn't wait to get here, So
outline exactly what's going on with Xavier Lucas. This has
been going on now for a while, a couple of weeks,
and it's starting to get meety between the player, the agent,
the school, the Big ten has gotten involved, and the U,

(36:54):
the other U, University of Miami. What's going on?

Speaker 3 (36:57):
Yeah, this is gonna be somewhat fascinating follow for a
few different reasons. But the short version is Xavier Lucas
is a Wisconsin corner. A young kid played really well
for a freshman, and he tried to enter the transfer portal,
of which Wisconsin blocked him from until they didn't, and

(37:18):
then he committed to Miami, but then they came back,
and now Wisconsin is allegedly going to take him to
court at the way I understand it, because he signed
an NIL and I'm going to assume one of these
new revshare agreements with Wisconsin. Now, the fascinating part to
me is a couple things. One, it was supposedly a

(37:41):
two year deal with the revshare deal the way I
understand it, because that one is separate than what they're collective.
I think it's called the varsity collective. It is, it's
their dinkytown athletes, So that's a separate deal. I didn't
know you could sign multi year deals with a school
with the revshare I'm clear on. But where this whole thing,

(38:02):
why it's contested is sounds like Lucas got paid some
stuff up front and doesn't want to give it back
and the school is like, that's not how this works.
And so now they're going to go to court because
the nc double A is now saying, well, the portal
isn't even real. It's just this kind of theoretical entity,
and the NCAA is doing nothing. And the fascinating part

(38:24):
is the Big Ten. After Wisconsin released a statement of
sorts kind of outlaying like what's going on the Big
Ten then releases a statement saying they support Wisconsin. So
this is essentially the first big portal case that is
going to kind of dictate what's going to be happening

(38:47):
going forward. Chip, what are your in thoughts?

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Yeah, I mean it's it's well, it's interesting because that
House versus NCAA settlement is not finalized yet. My understanding
is that does not get finalized ape by a judge,
right that it gets approved by a judge. So this
was not anybody who's dealt with coaches contracts, particularly head coaches,
you know, and they when the Gophers hire a new coach, well,

(39:13):
that contract doesn't get done that day. They operate under
what he called memorandum of understanding.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
And by the way, people are panicking because Bill Belichick
hasn't signed his contract yet. At North Carolina, it happens
a lot everything almost every time.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
Yeah, you're the guy worried about Sharon More when he
was operating under that, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
I was, you were. I definitely was not worried about it.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Yeah, I mean, I I can't tell you how many
coaches I was. I worked for months on m o U,
you know. So so that's where I think this is
going to be in illegal weeds. Is is that a
binding contract? Is that not a binding contract? What is that?
Because but you're right, Guardsy or Burns. I mean, I

(39:55):
didn't know you could have a two year deal. And
is this going to be the president for when athletes
come in and we have this rev share. If you
sign a contract multi year, does that mean you cannot transfer?
Or if you do, you're gonna have to give back
the money that you were collected or whatever. It's gonna
be fascinating to see how that plays out in court.

(40:18):
And then the other thing is right, if so I'm
an athlete, I go to the you, I just tell
him I would have entered at portal. They have to
they have to physically do it to school, do it?
Does it right? I didn't know they could block you
from doing it.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
It's well. So like an example would be Minnesota got
a transfer commitment from a kid by the name of
Coole Cabana was a running back from Michigan. Yeah, and
he signed something with DTA. I don't know if he
signed something with the university, but then he went back
on it and said, I'm actually gonna go to Western Michigan,

(40:56):
which is where I think he's enrolled now, and Minnesota
just kind of know what is when you know, yeah,
that's fine, Like, you know, if he did the way
I kind of understand it is. You know, if you
did collect something, you got to pay back. I don't
know how what percent, what it may be. Again, I'm
not privy to what those deals are. But I again,

(41:17):
I've only really had the perspective from the Minnesota side
of things, and that's where I've never heard of Minnesota
blocking someone from entering the portal. I don't think you
can legally do that unless this whole revshare thing comes
into play, which is they technically signed a contract with
the university, of which if they're not going to pay
back x percentage of what they already collected from the university.

(41:41):
I think that's the whole thing about what's being contested,
which is the fascinating part to me of why does
Lucas think that he gets to sign the deal, get
some money, and then immediately leave to go get a
bag from Miami.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
Well, I think he's claiming, by the way that he
hasn't gotten any money off the one that he just signed.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
So that is the case. I don't know what Wisconsin
is doing well. They also have the legal precedent they
would have then if he's not, if he doesn't owe
them any money.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
Now they did say they have receipts from tampering.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
That the other part of it. But the schools might
be talking to other players on other teams.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
What like text messages guard do where they have his
text message.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
I don't know, or just enough smoke from conversations other people.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
Yeah, this is like when Minnesota blocked Kai Thomas from
going to Kansas State because they had physical receipts to
show the NC double A that Kansas State tamper with
Kai Thomas, which is why he wasn't able to go
there and had to go to Kansas. So I almost
wonder from Wisconsin's angle, is this just about blocking Miami
because you're pissed that they tampered. Yes, okay, well if

(42:53):
that's the case, the kids just going to go to
I mean, he's talented enough to go to pick his
Florida school at that point because he's.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
From and he, by the way, just decided I think
we've talked about this, I'm just gonna unenroll from Wisconsin.
He's enrolled in Miami or at least he's applied like
on his own, like he obviously I don't think can
do anything or play, but he's they're pushing it. They're
pushing it hard. But yeah, the original blocking of transfers.
I remember bow Ryan got in a lot of public

(43:20):
trouble as a basketball player named jaredy Utah I think
was his name, and bow Ryan very publicly or the
player said, because this is back when you could say, yeah,
well accept your transfer, but we're blocking you from going
to any Big ten school, which was kind of common practice.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
Isn't that still the same in the SEC with an
SEC transfer ship? My remembering, I don't think.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
I think you can't do that, like the portal, the
idea is they can't block them.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
But yeah, it used to be you could the conferences,
you could kind of had this gentleman's agreement that we're
not going to recruit each other's players. But then bow
Ryan added like three other random schools and it got
really contentious, and I remember talking to somebody in the
industry and I said, so, what's the benefit to this
or why would he do this? And he said, point blank,

(44:08):
it's because those schools. Bo Ryan thinks has been tampering
with this guy, and you do it to say we
see what you're doing, we don't like it, and we're
blocking you, so feel free to go anywhere else. So
I would assume that's part of this too. Is and
again you sign a two year contract. The other thing
Lucas is talking about is that something that has happened
with his father medically, that happened in December. I'm just

(44:29):
reading a Ross Dellinger piece at Yahoo Sports from a
couple of days ago. That's always a gray area, too, right,
you know that's that's the thing where that I'm not
saying it's being abused in this case by Xavier Lucas,
but we certainly know what has been in the past,
right that.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Oh uh?

Speaker 1 (44:44):
And and who I'm close with, you know needs life
alert and I got to make sure she's got batteries
for it. Like it that stuff? Does you know? You
want that rule? I think is that could the good
spirit of that rule gets violated from time to time. Again,
I'm not saying that's the case now, but that's something
else that he's putting forward going this was a weird situation,
signed a two year deal. Something changed Now I want

(45:06):
to go to Miami. You're not letting me blah blah
blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
And this kind of bleeds into the not so much
that but the you know, signing a two year deal
of not the nil because this is totally different than nil.
This is the the rev sharing that you know. The
Department of Education came out this week and said that
they believe rev sharing is it should be, uh, you know,

(45:33):
following Title Title nine rules. It's interesting that you're writing
contracts before you even know what the ground rules are
for that, you know, and how much you're going to have,
how much you're gonna have available to spend in football,
Because now that one's definitely gonna get taken the court
because school, some either a player or a team is
going to say no, wait a second, football brings in

(45:59):
the revenue basketball, then we should be getting that same
percentage of the revenue sharing and not be subject to
Title nine rules. So that one's for sure going to
go to a court case somewhere. But it's going to
be fascinating. I don't know how that's going to play

(46:19):
out before because if they're able to do this starting
this fall, are they going to have the ground rules
in place before this kicks in.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
No, I mean no, like these repshare deals aren't even
kicking in, which is the fascinating part about this till
July first, like that we're still like five six months away.
But also to the Department of Education's point, there are
we even going to have a Department of Education at
a federal level here in about a month with the

(46:50):
new administration.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
That's whatever it is, it's going to be different than
what it is because this came in hot right, Oh gosh,
this applies to title nine, what we going to do?
And then eight minutes later, well, this is all going
to change when Trump gets his people in. There was
a this was a bidende bit, and now we're moving it.
Just amazing that in college sports, the presidential politics and

(47:15):
national politics are jumping into it like it's the escape
we all wanted, right college sports? Right, Yet who you
vote for, who you vote for might have an impact
on whether or not you can pay the quarterback five
million or you have to give it to a cross
country runners.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
Yeah, did I dream this up? Did the Gophers hire
a GM for the athletic department that may oversee this?
Did I read that they're doing it?

Speaker 1 (47:36):
Right, the job is posted. I don't believe they've hired
anybody yet.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
Correct, That's the way I understand it at least.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
Yeah, Yeah, that job is posted and everybody's doing it.
Everybody is hiring a straight up general manager. And we've
talked about this before, but the Gophers, I mean, I
know Mark Coyle has met with gms and with the
pro sports teams, right like, just to figure out how
you do a cap, how you value different players, what
you do analytically, how like, And it's going to be

(48:05):
it's apples and orders because it's college, but just to know, hey,
percentage wise, this is what we think of quarterbacks for it.
This is what I don't know if they've gotten that deep.
I'm just speculating, but I know that the athletic department
has met with gms from all over town and all
over the country, probably with people that they respect in
terms of cap management.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
So Robertsisk they got to get.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
I mean, are we going to be talking about deferred
money and void years and all the stuff that? Y yeah,
I text Ben Gesling about what does this kicking this
money down? Are there going to be restructures? Like I
know that a bunch of players in Atlanta this week
talked about unionization. You know, there's a group that wants
to unionize again, but how do you unionize one hundred

(48:49):
and sixty schools or even sixty schools if it's just
the power to power for whatever it is, it's I man.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
I know we've talked about it for months now, but
especially going into the offseason, I have never felt more
strong that there just needs to be a college football
commissioner that can dictate some sort of guardrails and to
use PJ flex terms or just rules that we know
can be enforced. Like so many things just continue to

(49:19):
change with nil revshare portal. It's just there needs to
be some as my father would say, a come to
Jesus just in terms of with college football, because we
all love it and it's again so do so many
of our listeners. But it just needs to be because
it's clear the NCAA is just going to get walked

(49:41):
through and they just have accepted it at this point. Yeah,
someone needs to put in some firm guardrails in terms
of what is this thing going to look like? Again,
if the players want to get all this money, okay,
well then they're also going to be treated with binding
contracts and deals and things of that nature. Yeah, I
mean that's one of the things I would love to

(50:04):
see this sport seriously explore. Is either breakoff by itself
and do the commissioner bit or whatever it may be.
I just it's just the goalposts continue to change seemingly
on the weekly basis now with the sport.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
But the problem is even within let's not even say
college work and just college football. Man, there's a wide
discrepancy between haves and have nots. And so how do
you have uniform guardrails for the Big Ten and SEC
and everyone else Mountain the Mountain West, Because it's in
some cases you're talking about apples and oranges, and so

(50:39):
you're going to find consistence on how things should be
run that it's it's again, it's not like the NFL,
where in theory they're all in this equal Brilliam field.
It's not equal. And so how do you ever come
up with what you think is fair for what's fair
for even within the Big Ten? With fair for Ohio
State Michigan might not be fair for Minnesota Northwestern.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
There, Yeah, what's their incentive to give? You know, Like
we've talked over with Baseball. What's the Dodgers incentive in
a couple of years to go, oh yeah, well we'll
share more of our revenue or the Yankees right like now.
The argument, the counter argument is, well, you need people
to play, and we've always talked about that. You do
need to fill out a schedule. You do need to
have other teams to play as much as you'd like

(51:21):
to have your Super sixteen teams and just you guys
play each other and determine the champion. You do need
the have nots in there quote unquote. Have you got
to fill out a schedule? You gotta have theoretically, so, yeah,
it's gonna be wild because that was you know, Nick
Saban Richly, it's very funny. Saban has been an awesome
addition to game Day. I think that's almost unanimous, like

(51:42):
it's great to have him, it's fun to have him involved,
and clearly the game day cast loves having him involved.
But when he's talking about yesterday that this isn't sustainable
to have one team paying twenty thirty million and another
team paying three, it's like, you mean, like it wasn't
when you got to Alabama and all of a sudden,
you're making ten million dollars, your facility are nicer than
everybody in Alabama's making more money than anybody that may

(52:04):
or may not be going directly to the players. We
can argue about that, but it's going into the football program, right,
Like you're being funded at a different level than Minnesota
is being funded at Like this is it's just so
rich like that the guy you benefit off of unbelievable investment.
It's always those guys that go, we gotta holold this down. Well,
you didn't mind it fifteen years ago.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
When you when you're winning national titles one.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
And you're getting the first seven, eight, nine million. Yeah,
it wasn't sustainable for anybody to have fifty two analysts.
And now that's what they're trying. Everybody's chasing, trying to get,
you know, as many quality control guys as they can
because that's what you did. So that's pretty rich to
me that, yeah, this is not sustainable. But I was
the one that was front of the bus. You know,

(52:47):
I was seat one A in first class in Delta one,
riding this thing to a nice lake house in someplace
outside Tuscaloosa. But we got to watch this it's a
little rich, a little rich for me and I love
but that's a little rash.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
Yeah, very pot calling the kettle black, Yeah, certainly is.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
Yeah, anything else we need to discuss Burnssey? Anything else?
You're kind of the host of the show today. I
liked it, you know, I didn't have to really transition
or do any topics. You were ready to roll. What
else do we need to talk about here quickly in
our last couple of minutes?

Speaker 3 (53:18):
You know, I hope Minnesota finally announces Danny Collins as
their defensive coordinator here at some point, now that it's
been I think over a week since I kind of
reported it, at some point we do have to announce
a defensive coordinator.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
They're all on the recruiting trail, Ryan, they'll get to.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
I got a question for you, Yeah, why do they
have eight running backs on scholarship?

Speaker 3 (53:39):
That's a question I love uh to know myself, because
that is something that because Minnesota ended up taking their
eighth scholarship, Brenny, what a transition from chip there by
the way, just to see transition. Curious, So they took
an eighth scholarship running back a kid from Louisiana who
is mister football in Louisiana this past year by the
name of Xavier for and he is going to be

(54:01):
their eighth. And the way I understand it is it's
either Fleck or there, you know, their de facto GM,
Marcus Hendrickson or somebody up there. Seems pretty clear that
they think that they need eight scholarship running backs on
their one oh five. Now, I think that's far too many.
I would probably I'd be okay with seven, maybe even six.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
Now.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
I'm also aware that we're just two years removed from
seeing the running back five Jordan Nubin have to get
one hundred and thirty carries in the final six games
of the year, but I think that is almost the
exception and not the rule. I'm also aware that that's
how Bucky Irving and Kai Thomas were able to go
to the forefront. So it's like two of the last
four years they've somehow, between injuries and putting the ball

(54:46):
on the turf or whatever it may be, have been there.
But that's something that Fleck and his personnel staff have dictated.
They really wanted to get to eight, and so they
were went out and got Exavior Ford, a kid from
Louise visited in negative fifteen degrees and I asked him
how was that, and he goes, I liked experiencing it,

(55:06):
and I was like, you're gonna be perfect for this.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
I'm disappointed in both of you, guys, because what do
you need in Minnesota? And what do you need in
the Big ten?

Speaker 3 (55:16):
I think it'd be a great name for a podcast,
but it's on a tip of my tongue.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
You need a pair and a spare. Oh what you
need a pair and a spare, guys, And sometimes you
need more. And in Minnesota when it's cold, like right now,
in my car, all four tires are telling me they
need air.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
It's right.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
I'm looking at it and I go, well, when I
started driving ten minutes ago, was this tire. Now it's
that tire, and I don't want to get out and
fill them up. I'm just riding it out. It's but
it hits. I think it's gonna hit zero by about
one o'clock on Tuesday. Once we get back into positive tempts,
I'll go, you need a pair and a spare. Hey,
Glenn Mason said a long time ago at the University
of Minnesota, you need a pair and a spare and

(55:52):
damn it, we're gonna listen to Mace and we're gonna
have our pair spare air and multiple spares.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
We should put that in our intro. I think it'd
be a great I might.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
I think I might. Who's the linebacker that Corey Heatherman
recruited right before he went to Miami, because that seemed
like I know you were also worried Burnsey about how
many running backs they have and how many linebackers they don't.

Speaker 3 (56:14):
Jeff Roberson, who is a starting linebacker at Oklahoma State
this past year, and he stayed so if Corey didn't
take him to Miami. So they got a little competition
in there for Maverick Baranowski, Devin Williams or the Pride
of Woodbury, the home of Chips Goggins, mister Joey Gerlock himself.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
Yeah, mister personal folog camp Randall, that's gonna be. That's
gonna favor Well, that's it. That's I'm sorry Joey and
your family. That's and I'm just having fun. Things happened,
but he's gonna have to change the narrative. That's the
only time any of us heard his name was when
he somehow extended a inept Wisconsin drive and made that

(56:52):
game a little bit more there needed to be. Yeah,
made that game. But you've got time to I believe
in you, Joey Gerlock, You've got time to turn. We'll
be I'm sure Grim will be talking to you on
our Minnesota Growing segment of the pregame show, brought to
you by Bushel Boy Minnesota Growing for over thirty years.
All right, anything else we need to discuss. We'll be
back next week. I think probably, or what do you think? Yeah,
we might as well, right you.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
Guess Paul fine Bloom was that?

Speaker 1 (57:16):
Yeah, Paul fine Bloom will join us. It should be great. Yeah,
my goodness, Burnsy Paul.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
I'm trying my best. You know what, I will change
my best with the next time mentality for next week.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
You have one job and no kids. How is your
mind so scramble? I mean Chip is juggling multiple interviews
and projects. You know, he's texting during the show. I
don't even know what day it is here today.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
Truthfully, all day I just sit here and just twiddle
my thumbs, just like this, just waking for things to
do because I have no kids.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
You're waiting you're waiting for high schools to get out
all over the country so you can text high school kids.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
And then text growing about what tee boys.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
Yes, exactly, I just wanted to leave it there. You
wait high schools to get out so you can text
high school kids, yep, to see what they're thinking about
college football. So if anybody wants to clip that, take
it out of context and.

Speaker 3 (58:07):
Going into my fifteenth year doing that, it's not creepy
at all.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
I know it's exactly right. All right, Well, thanks everybody
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