March 2025: Max Brosmer Joins!

Chip Scoggins, Ryan Burns and Justin Gaard are joined by former quarterback Max Brosmer on the show this week! The guys cover a lot of ground with Max including his experience going through the draft process, his year at the U, how he clicked so quickly with his coaches and teammates, how he prepared for each week and his thoughts on the Drake Lindsay era. 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Glenn Mason said a long time ago at the University
of Minnesota, you need a Pair and a Spare.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Thank you, PJ.

Speaker 3 (00:05):
It is time for another edition of the Pair and
a Spare podcast. It's been a minute or two. We're
presented by Jack's Cafe. I'm justin guard from the Fan
live from Toledo, Ohio. The haters said, I'd never make
it to Toledo. Well look at me, now, look at me.

Speaker 4 (00:18):
Now, I'm on the road.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
Burns's in his spot, his wife's house that he rents
a room at. And then there's Chips Goggins from the
start tribute. How we doing fellas? I wish I was
in Toledo, ohgical. It's magical. I tried to give you
the ambiance behind me, but the lighting's not very good
in the Renaissance downtown Toledo off of some river.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
I don't even know what river it is.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
It's two windy, can't walk, can't do anything, but I'm
here and that's the beauty of it. We've got a
very special guest again today. Thanks everybody that listened to
the Matt's Faith Show a couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
We got a lot of good feedback on that. So
we're gonna do it again.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
We're gonna bring up our special guests in just a moment,
but we do want to plug Chipper. Basically, you've been
the director of Jack's Cafe operations the last few weeks
and the event that we're going to do on April twelfth.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
What should people know?

Speaker 5 (01:06):
What do?

Speaker 2 (01:06):
What do we want people to know about coming to
see us in a couple of weeks.

Speaker 6 (01:09):
Yeah, we've teased to this a couple of episodes here
and we're having an event right, a parent of spare
special dinner for all our our loyal listeners.

Speaker 4 (01:22):
And so.

Speaker 6 (01:25):
Bill Jack's Cafe came up with this idea to have
a a dinner that that would benefit Dinky Town Athletes
the collective.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
And that's the thing. It actually has a component where
you can help.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
It's not just that you have to hang out with
us and get free parking and everything that.

Speaker 4 (01:39):
We don't matter a lot of it.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
We're irrelevant, We're irrelevant to this whole thing. But Dinkey
Town Athletes is the beneficiary of this event and it's
on all of our socials. It's on Dinky Town Athletes socials.
It's very easy to find information on it. A lot
of the players on the current team have been tweeting
about it, which we appreciate.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
That's very cool.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
And Burns these pictures the biggest on on the well,
the biggest head. Literally, I actually don't even know if
that's true, but I'm I'm glad that I'm going to
say it anyway that you can meet Ryan Burns and
if you were in Charlotte, you know that's a big
deal to a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:12):
So it's April twelfth, from six to nine. Like the
boys said, I think all proceeds go to Dickey Town
athletes come hang out with us on a Saturday night
and come eat Jack's Cafe. We've been talking about it
for years and the best part is ever, all the
proceeds go to Dickeytown athletes to help Minnesota keep their
best players.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
All right, should we bring the guest in? Should we
bring the guest in?

Speaker 5 (02:33):
Is he important?

Speaker 3 (02:34):
I'm trying to figure out how to introduce the guest.
I'll do it this way during the basketball season, which
is ongoing.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
That's why I'm in Toledo.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
Head coach Don Plitzel I told me, Hey, I caught
your Sunday show, The Gopher Sunday Show. I was listening
to it. You wanted to see what I was talking about.
You goes, you really think the quarterback's good, don't you.
You really love the quarterback. You think the quarter like you.
You really like the quarterback. I said, don if you
had them on your team, you would really liked the
quarterback too.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
Who am I talking about? I'm talking about Max Brozmer Our.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
Guests podcast Taking a break from exhaustive draft preparations were
like twenty four hours from pro day.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
He's been at the combine. How are you.

Speaker 4 (03:15):
Max doing an elite?

Speaker 6 (03:16):
Brother?

Speaker 4 (03:17):
How are you doing an elite?

Speaker 2 (03:18):
You still got it good?

Speaker 3 (03:19):
So that never leaves. That never leaves, Yeah, never leaves. Well,
thanks for doing this, man, We appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
Having on these guys, I want. I want to let
these guys kind of bury you with questions. But I'll
just uh, I'll just ask what have you been up
to since we last left. The last time I saw you,
I think you were dodging mayonnaise at a huge mail
bowl from your head coach after that bowl victory over
Virginia Tech.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Take catch us up to speed from that night.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
I think Friday January third to what you've been up
to here the last couple of months.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
Yeah, So I drove home the very next day, I
took I took one off day, and then I got
into training. And that's pretty consistent for most of the
guys get in the draft ramp. It's like you got
a couple of ads recover from the game, which is a
little less than usual actually, and then you gotta start
training right away. And I mean it's it's January February.
I mean we're into March right now. It's I mean

(04:10):
it's two and a half months of just like go go, go,
go go, And it's nothing different from from the go
go go mindset when you're when you're training here in
the off season. But like I've said before some other people,
it's like the first time in your life you're training
for yourself only and you don't have a team to
go back to. And that's the that was the weirdest

(04:30):
feeling for me during this draft prep poice. Usually you have,
you know, a team to get back to and you're
building yourself to become a better player for your team,
and ultimately you are doing that, but it's a lot more.
It's a lot different because you have no idea where
you're going, and so that was a hard adjustment for me.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
But I really enjoyed the process.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
And I still have, you know, a month, you know,
a month left of you know training and you know,
get making sure that I'm ready for my team when
when they call me up at some point, and so
I'm excited for that for that to come, but just
taking it one day at a time.

Speaker 6 (05:04):
Hey, Max, you know, I've talked to a number of
NFL rookies at their first mini camp when they after
they get drafted and they have that thing and they.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
Talk about just how exhaustive.

Speaker 6 (05:15):
Yeah, exhausting this period is because you're training like crazy
for the Combine or your Pro day. You have all
these visits, top thirty visits, You're meeting with these different
you're flying all over the country. What's that experience like,
I mean, I know you probably haven't done the combine
in the Pro day, but in the visits will probably
come up of Yeah, he said, whirlwind kind of what's
that process?

Speaker 4 (05:34):
Like?

Speaker 1 (05:34):
I was just talking to you a coach yesterday, and
this specific coach played in the NFL. He played quarterback
in the NFL and he said. And what's just consistent
for most people. What I'm hearing anyway, is the first
year of the NFL is like the longest football year
of your entire life, because you start from January and
you go all the way basically a full year without
a break. And that's that's gonna be a little bit different,

(05:57):
he said. You know, he had talked about he was
called to start for the last six games of this season,
and it was like the like the most tiger he's
ever been in his entire life trying to trying to
play quarterback. And that's because of the fact that you
started January and as a rookie anyway. And the other
piece that comes with that is, you know, the physical
mental demand, Like it's the physical demand of the NFL

(06:19):
is a lot different than in college, Like you have
seventeen or eighteen games now as opposed to you know,
you have twelve or thirteen, and that's a big difference
because your your body's just take it beating.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
And so I'm excited for that challenge.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
I'm excited for you know, you know, bonding with a
new team and providing value as best I can.

Speaker 4 (06:40):
And I'm looking forward to see you know where I end.

Speaker 5 (06:43):
Up before I ask you any more Josh McCown questions,
because I'll make it like an inference of who you
were talking to knowing it. Who was it actually down?

Speaker 4 (06:52):
But it was close?

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Okay, that's right. We're happy you were at Pro Day two.
Mister Steve. You're so plugged in, so blessed, you're so like,
we go ahead, good start. That's a fifteen yard penalty
right out of the gate.

Speaker 5 (07:05):
Like I almost want to think, like over arching view, Max,
when you go back to when Harbo offensive coordinator Greg
Harbo flew out to New Hampshire, you guys were meeting,
and now here you are fifteen twelve months later. Is
it everything you thought it was going to be when
PJ and Harbow were selling you on it, now that
you have an opportunity to kind of look back at
the whirlwind year that was your time at the University

(07:27):
of Minnesota.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Yeah, I think there's there's definitely some hesitation or even
some reservations when you're moving to a new school and
you have one more year left and you're going to
get in soul on this this idea that you're going
to come in on really great, great things and as
a transfer guy, you there's a lot of that you
can't control. And as I just talked to coach Fleck
yesterday and I was saying, you have to get lucky

(07:51):
a little bit with with your the you know where
you end up and I'm there in too, and he
described it as fate instead of luck. And I like
that because I think that everything happens for a reason,
and for some reason, I ended up at Minnesota and
we did some really cool things this year. And you
know what they what they told me right away was
exactly what they did. I mean, every single thing, the

(08:12):
littlest details there they said that we were gonna do
together and they're gonna do for me, And what they
expected from me was exactly the standard and expectation that
was provided.

Speaker 4 (08:24):
And so I think that's really cool.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
I don't I think that's very different from today's college
world because this this program.

Speaker 4 (08:30):
Isn't built on on money. It's built on a life program.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
And it's hard to sell and skew a life program
when you when you're when you're you know, recruiting kids,
because it is what it is. There's exactly what he
says is exactly what you're gonna get and that's that's
just just kind of goes. It's it's a little unheard
of in Say's college world. So I'm very I'm very

(08:55):
very grateful for for my team year and also my staff.

Speaker 6 (08:59):
Max along those line. You know, after after you guys
wont to Wisconsin, had a nice exchange with PJ there
because I said, you know, Max changed you, like did
he change you? And it was because I think these
guys will test I've kind of been the the flag
bearer for this offense needed to be modernized and really
hit PG over the head the last couple of years
with with how dependent on Iran. But when you were

(09:21):
when you were Yeah, but when you were I mean
because you had one shot at this right and you
had one shot to pick a school that's gonna assume
you had NFL aspirations. You picked a school that threw
the ball. Few were the any major college program in
the country last couple of years. That was a leap
of faith to know that PJ was gonna really modernize

(09:42):
his offense around you. What made you gave you that
belief that hey, I'm going into assystem where they'really gonna let.

Speaker 4 (09:46):
Me throw the ball Yeah, that's part of the that's
part of the trust thing.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
You don't actually know if that's the case, like in
the portal you there's there's no guarantee that it's going
to happen. And hearing coach Harbo's vision for the offense
was what kind of you know, pulled me here. Offensively speaking, anyway,
I loved, you know, when we talked ball together.

Speaker 4 (10:10):
It was like really easy. We meshed together really well.
We spoke the same language.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
But I also had a lot to learn from him too,
and I could tell how smart he was and how
we thought about ball.

Speaker 4 (10:19):
It was really really cool to kind of hear right
from the start.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
And so you have to just you kind of take
that leap of faith, and whether you call it fate
or luck, it's it's meant to happen the way it's
meant to happen. And if we threw it fifteen times
a game and we won ten games, I would.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
Be just happy.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
And I think part of that also comes with you know,
knowing your personnel and your team and we have the
guys to do it here. And it also takes trust
on the coach's end too, Like you have to coach
Harbor and Coach Fleck have to trust that we're going.

Speaker 4 (10:51):
To execute to play about are the best of our ability.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
And if they think running inside zone is better than
throwing a quick game, you know, speed out to the field,
and so be it. But we have the opportunity to
show that we can do it consistently and be efficient
on it. And that's the piece that you have to
kind of go in and execute and prove that you
can do it before you can expect a return. And
that's for any offense in the entire country. There's no

(11:15):
one's just going to drop back and expect things to happen.
If the you know, the quarterback, the receivers, that running backs,
the tight ends, and even the offensive line can want
to execute the pass play. So I think it was
just a consistency thing and a proof that we could
do it.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
I thought it was cool.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
Yeah, you introduced all the guys you were throwing to yesterday,
some of the smaller school guys.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
I know you were asked about that.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
You talked about them getting an opportunity to do it here.
You know, as Burnsy kind of alluded to a year ago,
you might not you might have thought you would be
one of those guys that would have been had to
introduced by somebody else. So I guess my question Max
is do you feel how do you feel like you
fell through the cracks or how do you feel like
guys fall through the cracks or do you even feel
that is it?

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Is it fate that you were supposed to be in
New Hampshi.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
Then you're supposed to here because there's obviously guys that
can play at every single level.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
You're an NFL quarterback, you're play an.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
FCS as of eighteen months ago, which is doesn't mean,
it doesn't mean anything other than it's just not the
level that you would anticipate. Then you're here in Minnesota,
So how do you kind of feel about that whole
thing of that there's obviously good players everywhere and you
were Wulna them.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Yeah, I think it goes back to I mean, I
truly believe that went to the hamsrew for a reason.

Speaker 4 (12:23):
I also believe that.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Again going back to the fate or the luck thing
I've got, I've got placed and I was surrounded around
some of the best coaches like in the entire country
in my opinion, I mean New Hampshire's coaching staff was
absolutely incredible, and I wouldn't be anywhere anywhere where I'm
at today if I didn't have that staff and that team.
I felt like I got developed in a way that

(12:48):
truly turned me into a cerebral thinker. I think I
had the keys to that a little bit, but molding
that and refining that with something New Hampshire did for me.
And for some reason, we have, you know, a great
few years there, and for some reason I ended up
here and I don't know why, and I guess I'll
find out, hopefully in a month why I came here.
But ultimately the goal it wasn't you know it's again

(13:11):
I talked about people ask you why you're what you're why,
and it's not like to go play in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (13:16):
It's to the.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
Best person in the best quarterback I can be, And
I felt like I could do that here. I felt
like I had the resources here to do that. The
people I was surrounded with were very similar to New Hampshire,
and I felt like I could continue to learn and
grow here and prosper with a new team and a
new staff.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
Before you, guys, go, I didn't wake up thinking about
destiny and fate, you know, the given that Toledo, Ohio.
Right now, I'm still kind of struggling with how my
fate brought me here. But I'm gonna look for that
lesson now that Maxim talks about that, I'm gonna try
to figure out why I'm here today on this trade,
in this great day in Toledo, what the grand significance is.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
That's gonna be my shore the rest of the episode.

Speaker 5 (13:53):
Go ahead, God, Max, I'd be curious for your opinion
on this. One of the things that I think the
three of us get asked about a lot as PJ.
And I think when people see PJ, they think about
his personality, his energy. I like to describe him as
he's five red bulls all the time, and I know
that it's very off putting for people, But I think
the thing I say also with that is it's real.

(14:17):
Now you're an outside perspective, You've been around a lot
of coaches, You got to see PJ be in his
office quite a bit, spend a lot of time with PJ.
F Like, if you had to describe PJ as somebody,
what would you say?

Speaker 4 (14:27):
I love the five red bulls thing. That's I mean
that's great that you hit it right in the head.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
But the best part is he's five red bulls about everything,
and so it's not just football. It's like he's five
red bulls about you becoming the best person you can be,
about positively and constructively criticizing you to become the best
player you can be, the best man you can be.
And I wouldn't want that any other way. I wouldn't
want someone to sit back you can do a little

(14:55):
better there. Like he's all in all the time. And
I love to be coached, and whether that's on the
field or becoming a better leader, or just being a
better man. Like I said, like, I would rather someone
give me there all as opposed to just kind of
half fast. And that's what that's what coach Fleck does.
And he's very, very unique, and he always says he's

(15:16):
not for everybody, and that's the truth. You can't handle it,
and it's hard, it's hard to see through it sometimes,
like it really is for young guys, especially who's coming
from they're coming from high school and they're the dudes
at their high school and they're you know, always in
the newspaper articles in the school newspaper, and they.

Speaker 4 (15:35):
Feel like the Kings.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
They come here and you kind of get broken down
a little bit, and that's for a reason. That's the
life program and his definition, his program that he runs
here is exactly who he is, and.

Speaker 4 (15:47):
He's building people up in a way that he sees fit.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
And whether that's right or wrong, I think it's I
think it's extremely unique and in a positive way, and
I'm so grateful that I got to be a part
of it for a year.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
I think it's the most unique program in the entire country.

Speaker 6 (16:05):
I asked you this question at some point there this
year because we heard so much about your processing and like,
that's such a great strength of you and being on
a process things. What you see quickly on the field,
how the quarterbacks develop that? Is that just something you
either have or you don't, or is that something you
can as a film study?

Speaker 4 (16:23):
Is it?

Speaker 6 (16:24):
Yeah, because we've seen a lot of talented quarterbacks fail
because it's probably because they don't process as quickly as
they should. But how did you develop it and how
do you.

Speaker 4 (16:33):
Get better at that? I think sometimes there, I mean
I think at the.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
Base layer, there's something has to be a little bit
of an innate ability to think really quickly. That's also trained,
and so I think of like the brain as a muscle.
So I talk about chest all the time, and I
think that for chess you're getting reps, you're just keeping
your brain fresh. For me, football wise, it's about honing

(16:56):
that in and the re finding it on the football field,
and so like I remember talking in the one of
my coach, yes Sir from New Hampster about it, and
Coach Santos was my freshman quarterback coach who won the
Walter Paid Net New Hampster. He was ended up becoming
the head coach at New Hampshire as well. My freshman
years my quarterback coach, and he puts so much on
my plate where I had no option to have to

(17:18):
think extremely quick and be extremely decisive, and that trained me.

Speaker 4 (17:24):
And I look back at that year as you know,
one of.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
The most defining moments for my processing is if you
say to where I'm today, I think, what he asked
the freshman quarterback to do, it's very similar to what
they're asking these quarterbacks to do here at Minnesota, actually,
which I'd love and I think it's I think if
you put as much on the plate of a quarterback
as you.

Speaker 4 (17:44):
Can when they're young.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
It has it challenged them on a daily basis and
they look back at those years and they are extremely
thankful for the people who did it for them. And
when I said reps like chess, reps also in the
film room, reps on the field, and there's no there's
no success in the field, there's no you know, better
processing down the field without the reps. And I've been

(18:08):
playing college football since I was starting as a freshman,
I've had a lot of reps. And so I get
here and I get to Minnesota and at the end
of the nah's football, right. I think the football piece
is consistent from the SCS, the Big Ten as well.
It's just football, and so that's what I love doing.
You have to have a passion for it. If you
don't have a passion for it either, it's hard to
like get the reps in sometimes like you don't want

(18:29):
to get the reps. So people who love ball and
you are willing to put the reps in are you know?
I think where you see the high end processors too.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
What was is your weekly process to get ready for
a game? Like take us through like a Sunday to Saturday,
putting the last game to bed and prepare for the
next team. It goes as long as you want. You
want to go every fifteen minutes, because I feel like
you've got blocks of time that are specific the things

(18:59):
you want to do, but give us a sense of
time to get ready.

Speaker 4 (19:03):
I have probably had it blocked off from you know,
every between thirty minutes to an hour every single day.
That's very tiring.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
I so Sunday Sunday was a rinse of the of
the Saturday game. Whether it was a win or loss,
it's the same mindset. It's continuing to find ways to
get better. And so you look at the positives and
negatives of what the game kind of dell you, and
then you go back to the drawing board and reassess.

Speaker 4 (19:30):
And so if you spend too much time on.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
It, you're not gonna be ready for the opponent for
the next week. And so we we rinted about midday
and then we start watching. I start watching full games
on Sunday, so I have to get a feel for,
you know, the next week's opponent, how the defensive coordinated
calls plays, you know, the flow of the defense, the
best players on the field. You know who's who's runnings
and go get the ball thirty out, thirty yards down

(19:53):
the field. Who who are the guys you need to
watch out for and game plan for. I start building
up you know, personnels, you know on when they bring
in their different personnels on third down or if they're.

Speaker 4 (20:06):
Switching fronts, whatever. I try to find as much as I.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
Can, because on Monday, I present it all to the receivers,
the tight ends and their running backs. And so I'll
hold I'll hold a meeting, a coverage report meeting at
the personnel meeting on Monday with the guys and do
my best to present the the offensive skill with what
we're facing this week. And I think it's important to
do on a Monday because that way our first backs

(20:29):
on Tuesday, you're on the same page and you're lying
throughout the rest of the week.

Speaker 4 (20:31):
It's not kind of like a you know, a fill
turn game the whole week.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
You have it all on Monday, and then we kind
of refine it throughout the week. And so Monday you
get in the first second down. You start to break
it up into segments. So Monday you get the first
second down P and ten you have second short second
and meeting second long, what are their tendencies? And you
get Tuesday, you practice first second down, and then you

(20:55):
get the Then you get the third down, third down,
third and short third and medium third and long third
down in the red zone. I think there's there's a
lot of changes for defenses when you get on the
red zone and third down as well, understanding again the
personnels on third down. Then we practice third down on Wednesday,
then you get then we get in the red zone,

(21:18):
so high, red, low, red goal line. And then we
have a big walkthrough on Thursday. It's called technique Thursday,
and so we we practice everything we have up to
the point and constant communication with super up and up
tempo for a walk tempo for us, like if you
go into one of those Thursday of practice, it's I mean,

(21:40):
you will know you there's no.

Speaker 4 (21:41):
Silence at all.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
It's like everyone's talking the entire time, which is great.
And then Friday is fast Friday, and so we're we're
going full speed before before the game and there's a
lot of science behind that, which I actually enjoyed. I
didn't do that in New Hampshire. We walked the day
before the game. I enjoyed doing full speed on Friday,
and that's kind of a little glimpse into it.

Speaker 4 (22:03):
There's a lot more layers and a lot more Yeah,
I feel like I could talk for an hour on it.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Yeah, yeah you could. That's like all that question.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
A lot of the combine like talk to me through
your weak process and I'm like, I don't know if
you want me to actually.

Speaker 4 (22:16):
Talk in twelve minutes, give.

Speaker 6 (22:18):
Us twelve minutes.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
So well, most people compare me to scouting guys or
personnel guys. So that's why I would ask a question
you would get it a combine when do you put
it to bed? Like when do you put like Friday night?
Are you still watching film? Are you're going over the script?
Like what's Friday night? Like Friday Friday? If it's an
away game, I spend the trip on you know, the
bust of the plane. I drop every single play that

(22:43):
we have, like on I drop every single play on
in my notes against you know, the top coverages that
are probably going to get And that's part.

Speaker 4 (22:51):
Of the reps for processing too.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
Tip is if you have a preparation, if you're if
you've a plan and you're prepared for it, you can
see it a lot aster too, and that's kind of
what I prod myself on. One of the best things
I do is prepare and you can probably that probably
factors in a lot of the processing too.

Speaker 4 (23:09):
I'm not guessing in the field at the time.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
I usually know what I'm getting, where the ball's going,
and so and you know, having that ability to manipulate defenders.

Speaker 4 (23:17):
As well is really important.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
And so Friday, if it's if it's a home game,
same thing. I'm just in the office drawing the place up,
and when I get the Saturday, I don't like when
I get to the end of Friday.

Speaker 4 (23:29):
I don't like to watch film towards the end of
Satday towards the end of Friday.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
And that's because I feel like at that point, if
you're still guessing, you probably probably aren't in a good spot.
I've had that a few times in my career where
I'm like, shoot, I gotta go over these looks again,
and that's okay, But trying to find new things is.

Speaker 4 (23:51):
Not always my favorite to do.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
And so Saturday is just just the game I'm not
Usually Usually Coach Harbo will come down and be like, hey,
here's our two A minute package on Saturday morning because
he'll finish it up on game day.

Speaker 4 (24:05):
And that's fine because that's you.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
Know, usually they're pretty base plays, and so once you
get to Saturday morning, it's like you're it's game.

Speaker 5 (24:11):
Time, Max.

Speaker 6 (24:13):
It's interesting to hear you say about how you kind
of have that meeting on Monday and you're telling your
you know, your offensive guys like what you saw in film.

Speaker 4 (24:21):
And it.

Speaker 6 (24:23):
Kind of reminded me that, you know, you're coming in
from the outside as a grad transfer, and you have
to win over a team like that, right, You got
to be a leader like almost day one, and I
guess a lot a lot of guys can do that.
I mean, you talk about guys that have been here
for four years sometimes you know that. How do you

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kind of what was your mindset or how was what
was your approach in terms of coming in as like,
obviously you're the quarterback, you're the leader.

Speaker 4 (24:50):
Everybody's gonna look at you. But yeah, it.

Speaker 6 (24:52):
Doesn't mean they're always going to folly you know what
I'm saying. So how did you how did you win
over your team in such a short matter of time.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yeah, I mean the first thing is you have to
show that you're gonna be the hardest worker you know
you can to the facility, and you have to show
your passion for football pretty quickly. I mean, you get
it gets pretty weeded out. If you don't love football here,
you just kind of be coming out outcaster a little bit.
And that's not a goal for anyone. But if you

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truly love it, you get to show it. And that
was my goal early, was to show the guys how
much I want to play for this team and how
much I care for him. And they took me in
so quickly. I'm not even sure I could have been
like a serial killer and they.

Speaker 4 (25:31):
Wouldn't have to they would have never known. And I'm
so surprised, like I was.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
I'm very grateful and I'm I'm I got voted capturin
in like three months here, and that was such a
cool moment for me because it kind of, you know,
reaffirmed to me that everything I was doing was working,
and it was right, and not working to win the
guys over, but working in the fact that you know,
I was you kind of you see the fruits your
label a little bit, how much how much work you're

(25:59):
putting in, and it's it's kind of going in the
right direction with your guys, and so, you know, like
I did things. I think my big thing was provide
perspective coming from New Hampshire and hearing people and listening
and understanding having an angle of gratitude and empathy.

Speaker 4 (26:16):
I'm a big gratitude guy.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
And one of the first things Coach Fleck told me
was they believe, you know, one of the things they
believe is that gratefulness is the glue to the locker room.
And I'm like, this dude is the guy I want
to play for. And you can see that it's tangible
in the locker room, and you know, I kind of
never looked back. For me, it was, you know, building
the glue in the locker room. It was, you know,

(26:39):
I took my guys down Jordan for a week. We
had that conversation before some of you guys and finding
different ways to create unity and glue within the team
was really important. And that's kind of that was kind
of my angle, I think. And that was more of
a way that I just wanted to to win football games.
And I'm like, okay, how can I win football games?
And you backtrack, and you backtrack and you find different

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ways to great glue, and that was one of.

Speaker 4 (27:01):
The ways you.

Speaker 5 (27:04):
I mean, you were the first year for headset communication
between the offensive coordinator.

Speaker 4 (27:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (27:10):
And I'm curious before I ask you about any specific games.
Are there any moments because you were part of a
lot of game winning drives where you take us kind
of behind the scenes of what Harbo and Fleck were
telling you before. Again, I think about some of the
games like USC and U C l A some really
big play calls. Are there any moments where you're like,
I can't believe you just said that, or you know

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what like or anything of that nature where you're like,
what a time? From where I started from as a
freshman too, I'm hearing these conversations live between some very
powerful people.

Speaker 4 (27:45):
Are you talking about like endgame?

Speaker 1 (27:46):
Yep, Yeah, I mean I think I think passion and
energy gets very high during games from anyone, and especially
with someone who's who's had five Red bulls before the
game anyway, and.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
They're they're both different people. I think one of the
best things about coach Fluck.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
Is he actually able to tone it down a lot
when he's talking to the quarterbacks, and specifically the quarterbacks he's.

Speaker 4 (28:08):
Very very calm on game day, which I love. I don't.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
I think it's really positive if you can just talk
casually on the sideline without this crazy high energy, and
he does a good job with that.

Speaker 4 (28:19):
In same with coach Tarbo.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
Coach Tarbo will usually yell like e K or something,
and then he'll like yell at me, yell him about me,
and then he'll talk to me in like a calm voice,
and so one of the he does a good job
of like refining it and making sure that we can
talk calm way in on the sideline.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
I remember against U C.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
L A. I checked to play on third down to
a play that I actually brought for New Hansford because
he wanted me to throw a certain route to a
certain receiver and I wanted to throw to the other
side of the.

Speaker 4 (28:51):
Field, and I checked to play without it being a.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
Check on the on the call and ended up being
incomplete one way or another, and he was not happy
after that.

Speaker 4 (29:03):
And it's I mean, every third down in that game
was a big third down because it was just a
tight game. And I'm like, well, in my head, I'm like,
you guys gave me the key to the car. I mean,
you'll be the driver. And if we look back at
that and kind of laugh a little bit about that.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
And then there is a play we're actually checked in
and worked out against against Virgina Tech in the bowl
game and that wasn't a kill and I alerted it
myself and he was not happy. And then we got
twenty yards and it was okay because we've got a
twenty yard game. And so there's there's there's a way
to talk to each other, you know, like in a

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way that is positive and will promote growth and success
of the next drive without you know, tearing people down.
And that's also a good way for quarterbacks to talk
to their team too. And so I think it's important
the relationship between the oscate and the quarterback because it filters
down to the rest of the team.

Speaker 4 (29:56):
And then coach Haarbo hits that on the head because
he understands how that works.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
And that's why I communication the sideline with everybody else
really efficient too.

Speaker 6 (30:03):
What was the play We've talked about a couple of
times for PJ. Sid Harbor called it on the head side.
He's like, we're gonna do what.

Speaker 5 (30:10):
What was the third down you threw to chi l.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
Are you talking about the screen?

Speaker 5 (30:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (30:18):
Yeah, that was the coolest call the entire the entire season.
Coach Harbo. I even when he put the play and
I was like, I didn't see.

Speaker 4 (30:29):
That angle, but I love.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
I'm like, they're definitely not gonna expect this one and
third one, but that just like like that, I look
back at that, and that's like kind of just Harbo
like being in flow state, like he's he is thinking
critically and processing well, but he's just kind of in
flow state and he doesn't have to, you know, overthink.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
He just I know this, this is what I want
to call.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
I'm gonna trust the guys to execute it, and I
think it's gonna be open.

Speaker 4 (31:00):
And he was right, well, me you made a great catch.
And Meggy also took a shot at the end of
that place and the ball.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
So there's a there's a trust factor between coach like
Coach Harbo, and I love that Coach Fleck just he's
like he fully immersed himself and Coach Harbo.

Speaker 4 (31:16):
He's like, this is your offense.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
You call it, And Coach Harbo did the same thing
with us, and that's why those plays work.

Speaker 5 (31:23):
I want to bring it back to the USC game
where it's third and goal sneak, there's not a camera
angle that can really prove that you get in and
then PJ calls the time. I guess there's the discussion
on the headset between Harbo Fleck. I'm sure you're standing
right there. Two things. What did you think of in

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terms of I'm sure you were the one advocating to
go for it, but also what's it like to be
in the middle of a tush push and just getting
pushed by the masses of humanity?

Speaker 4 (31:53):
Oh? Yeah, take a beating, for sure.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
It's I mean, I sometimes it doesn't look like like
usually like that's say an open field, a quarterback sneak.
Usually the linebackers of a free shot, it's like, yeah,
even if you get the first down, they're just gonna
take a kill strap at you. And that's a lot
different in the CEO than it is the Big Ten,
because the linebackers.

Speaker 4 (32:12):
Against Michigan are not.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
And when you get to the USC, it was like,
I mean, I love that he called that play.

Speaker 4 (32:20):
I was on the same page. We that's it.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
We were kind of thinking the exact same thing, and
when he called it, the old line was fired. Up,
and that's a bare minimum. You need to use that
to score. The old line needs to be fired up.
The Titans need to be fired up, because ultimately, I'm
I'm like a human pinball at that point.

Speaker 4 (32:37):
I mean, I'm.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
Just I'm doing my best to get low, but everything
everyone else is pushing me.

Speaker 4 (32:43):
I mean, I'm doing my best, but at some point
I'm gonna lose.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
My feet and you have to just kind of eat
it like it's it's tough football down there.

Speaker 4 (32:51):
You have a couple of yards and that's where that's
where football.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
Is is one loss in the trenches, and I get
to be a part of the trenches on those plays
and you gotta be tough for sure.

Speaker 6 (33:03):
Makes her a couple of times this year. I think
the first game, maybe the first Big ten game, where
he came out and I'm like, well, Max is a
little too amped up here.

Speaker 4 (33:12):
Maybe a couple of throws.

Speaker 6 (33:15):
But but then you settled down, like it like you
settled in?

Speaker 1 (33:18):
Was I right on that?

Speaker 6 (33:19):
Like like your first game and then first half of
the game where you like, uh yeah, super amp, super
excited and you had to settle in.

Speaker 4 (33:27):
Am I reading that wrong? I mean, yeah, I know
you're You're right for sure.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
The last game I played before that was I.

Speaker 4 (33:33):
Was at New Hampshire in front of like six thousand.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
Fans, and I don't think I understood the magnitude of
the change until I got there on Thursday night, and
I did.

Speaker 4 (33:44):
My best to prepare for that, you know, I was.
I was watching.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
Packed out home games on the big screen of Huntington
Bank and like trying to put myself in that situation
to prepare, and that's all you can do.

Speaker 4 (33:57):
You can't really do anything else because you've never been
in before.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
And so getting there on Thursday night, I'm like this,
this is freaking awesome, dude. But your eyes are like
like you have these crazy wide eyes because this is
the first time we ever experiencing it. And this game
calls for the quarterback to be at his best and
be as efficient as possible to win football games.

Speaker 4 (34:17):
And when you're not in that flow state and you're not.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
You know again, I'm just gonna say flow state, it's
just it's hard because you're out of it.

Speaker 4 (34:25):
And that's what I kind of felt the first few games.
It was like.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
You have to learn how to be in it and
be where your feet are, and that's why that's why
I kind of took to that this year as being
where my feet were writning that down on my risk
on every single game. It was really important. And that's
when I felt like we played our best football. And
I remember against the Iowa game, or sorry, I guess
against Iowa. Even though we lost that game, that was
the first game that I was like, I really felt

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that I was present in the moment and I looked
up like I remember looking up on you know, the
second or third driving first down, and like looking at
the fans and look at the environment and think about
how cool it was that I got to be here.
And going back to the gratitude thing, I was extremely
grateful and that's what allowed me to be present. And
I still remember, like the scene that I was standing

(35:12):
at on the twenty yard line looking at the stadium,
and so.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
You have to learn how to kind of be there.
But it takes it takes reps like anything does.

Speaker 5 (35:20):
I mean, you talk about flow State and I think
probably maybe you would say your best game of the season,
I would probably say it was the Maryland game where
three hundred something yards four touchdowns, and I think one
of the throws from your season that will stand out
to me is that Elijah Spencer back at the end
zone throw. Where where he was when you threw it
off your back foot, which I'm sure your favorite offensive

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coordinator was thrilled about and where it ended up being
was something we don't often see from a go for quarterback.
Is that Maryland game one where you go back and
think about, now, I'd be like I was really in
a groove.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
Yeah, that was flow state for sure. We just like
we could miss. Like it was just one of those times.
And that happens, you know, every every few games or
every you know twice this season that you do your
best to to make sure that you can nail it
into where it's like every you're consistent with that, and
that's part of the chase as a quarterback, and part

(36:14):
of the chase is a receiver and an offense too
is how much can you be in that state every
single week? And that Maryland game was I mean that
was the That game was absolutely incredible. I mean the
guy's just like like I said.

Speaker 4 (36:28):
We couldn't miss. It was like every single thing we
wanted to throw out them we could hit.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
And whether that was the guys were playing out of
their minds or we're just playing consistent football. We just
it was It was a fun game because it just
happened the way it happened, because we were all in
that flow state and Elijah Spencer made an incredible grab
on that. I mean pretty sure he got two feet
down too, right in the student section, which is like

(36:51):
the coolest thing out and then out we were rolling after,
Me and Peter were rolling after, and like I was,
we were all out of our minds that game.

Speaker 4 (37:00):
And so that was a cool one for sure.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
What was the play called gonna be?

Speaker 3 (37:06):
First play after you recover the on side kick at
Michigan that eventually like are you do you already know?
Like because I want to talk about that game specifically,
but you get that onside kick, like you're probably winning
the game.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
Oh, we were definitely winning the game that yeah the
only time, Yeah, go ahead. They couldn't they couldn't stop
us in this and you know, getting end of the
third tour to the fourth quarter, we felt really confident
that we had kind of finally figured it out.

Speaker 4 (37:32):
We were clicking and we weren't going to change anything.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
I mean, what we were doing on offense, every single
thing we did ended up working. And again that that's
when I talk about the flow stay, it's just the
things we're clicking. We were on the same page, we
were aligned every single play, and we were executing at
a really high level and making making crazy grabs and
putting U in the situation to win the game. And
unfortunately you look at you know, the two turnovers we

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had earlier, the intersection of the fumble, like that's really
cost the mistakes and it's hard to come back and
from those in Big ten football games, any football, but
especially Big ten. But play call wise, we still had
some time. I think we had we had time for
a nice drive there and the tempo staff was was
elite by coach Arbo and I love the change in

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pace and you know that's why we started scoring some points.

Speaker 5 (38:20):
So you've been around it.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
Go ahead, go ahead Burns.

Speaker 5 (38:25):
You run an NFL running back in New Hampshire and
Dylan Lobb. You were able to play with Darius last year,
fifty plus catches with him. Like, how if it is
going to be the NFL for Darius at the end
of his go for career, how would you kind of
characterize Darius's game considering you do know what it looks
like for NFL draft picks at running back.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Yeah, Darius and Dylan are a lot different. They're done
a lot of backs. Dylan is a smaller, shiftier guy.
He's he's kind of like a little receiver too, and
that's how we utilized him at New Hampshire and Darius
actually kind of became that too, I would this year
with the amount of receptions he had. I'm a big
advocate for checkdowns. And remember someone one of the quarterback

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coachs in the NFL. I watched the podcast and you're
talking about we don't like check down Charlie's in the NFL,
and I'm like, well, don't draft me. And not that
I'm a checkdown Charlie, but like I think I'm a
I think that the key to sustaining drives is keep
the stakes moving and you have you have your few
explosives a game in the air, which aren't that many usually,

(39:31):
like you have you know a handful of game.

Speaker 4 (39:34):
But other than those, you have.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
To be really efficient in the short and medium medium
passes and having a running back that can take a
three yard checkdown and run fifteen yards is incredible. I mean,
I mean, as a quarterback, why would you not just
throw it in every single time?

Speaker 4 (39:50):
And that's the best part too, because it gets.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
The defense to suck up again and then you can
throw the seam over his head or throw the deep
over going the other way, and that's just it makes
it hard for the defense and especially the linebackers too,
because they're seeing play action and they're seeing past running
up to the last scrimage, then running back toward pass
and I'm throwing a Darius in the checkdown. It's like
they're playing in vertical in a horizontal game. We're just

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playing football. Some really dyn players is important, and Darius
is one of those dynamic players that you attribute to
contributed to our success this year.

Speaker 5 (40:26):
You're currently sitting in his apartment, but today begins for
go for football the Max Rosmer era. I mean, you
go back to any point during the spring. Part of
the reason why you were brought in was to mentor
Drake lindsay, we spent twelve months doing that. You talked
about with me at the bowl game, how he's almost
like a little brother to you at this point. So

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what advice have you kind of given to Drake as
he starts his campaign to hopefully be in his mind,
the successor to Max Brosmer.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
Yeah, the message to the quarterback groom is just take
it one point at a time and don't be upset with
making a mistake.

Speaker 4 (41:03):
I love what coach Flex said.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
Yesterday is is don't everyone's so afraid to make a
mistake in football. You got to be fearless and anyway,
and the fear of making mistakes is where there's no growth.
And you should love when you make a mistake because
that means you have an opportunity to get better than
the next play or the next day.

Speaker 4 (41:23):
And so something I didn't do very well when I
was a freshman in sophomore.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
And that most people don't do really well is they
taken the negative too much and they don't see the
positive from what they're doing. And you can't be perfect.
There's no such thing as perfection. I think I've maybe
had like three or four practices in.

Speaker 4 (41:42):
My entire career where I put one hundred percent twenty
four or twenty four.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
And I've had a lot of practices and that that's
just not an expectation you can have for yourself. It's
you can push yourself to be perfect, but you should
never expect to be perfect. And for the quarterback room,
understanding that and taking the mistakes and the little piece
of you know, the failures that you have along the

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way and using them to grow for the next day.

Speaker 4 (42:08):
That's how the stacking days works.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
And as a quarterbacktually important because the entire offense, the
entire team falls on your back and if you get
stuck think about the negatives too much, like you know
most of us do when we're younger, it's really hard
to grow with a positive mindset. And you know that's
my that's kind of what I'm gonna aim to do. Also,
when I'm here, like I'm here for the next couple
of days, it's just kind of be that guy like, hey,

(42:32):
you're good, bro, Like take the next rep, Just take
the next rep.

Speaker 4 (42:36):
And that was my mindset in the past couple of years.
It's just take the next rep.

Speaker 6 (42:40):
Just go want to know, hey, Max, it's a little
bit of speculation, but from what you gleaned throughout this,
you know, kind of the draft prep stuff and talking
to coaches and obviously watching NFL, how much different is
playing quarterback going to be in the NFL than than college,
like in terms of what you're asked to.

Speaker 4 (42:59):
Do in those great question. Yeah, I mean I think
there's the professionals side, it's a lot different.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
I mean, you're you're you're playing for a multi billion
dollar business and it's everyone like I think, I like
coach Flex said, everyone their own lls, Like, there's everyone's
their own business. Everyone is working for their family. They
love football, but everyone is working for the family. Now,
it's a job as a quarterback. You're providing for the

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livelihood of your team, and you know they're in their
families and that's really hard to that's really hard to assess,
really hard to to.

Speaker 4 (43:37):
Kind of take in.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
But for me, it's, you know, as a quarterback, coming
as a rookie, I'm gonna do my best just to
show how much again how much I love football and
do my best to provide as much value to my
new team as possible. And playing quarterback, I mean, you
can see that there's there's a there's very few vets
now because it's kind of a new wave coming in
and I'm going to be a part of that new

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wave and I'm excited for that challenge. And you know,
it's it'll be the guys that can, you know, mentally
and physically handle it for the longest, you know, longest
time possibly become the new round of vests in eight years.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
Did you enjoy the combine process? You mentioned all that
we hear about, all the interviews and all the conversations,
and I mean, you're in, you're out, you're running around meetings,
the whole bit that like, was that a fun experience?
Was that a nerve wracking experience? Take us through that? Yeah,
all of the above. The only goal I had for myself.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
I had a couple of goals, but one of the
first goals was to be extremely present. And you know,
understand that there's not many people like to go to
this combine, Like this is something you grow up watching
on TV, and you're like, I want to be one
of those guys in the combine, and I got to
do it again somehow, some way, I'm here.

Speaker 4 (44:48):
So I did my best. You know, we talked about
the North.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
Carolina gian you're getting wide eyed and you're trying to
take it in, but you're not really present.

Speaker 4 (44:56):
I really challenge myself to be present, and that's I
feel like I enjoyed it. Because of that, and I.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
Wanted it also to be super vulnerable and let you know,
teams know exactly what they're getting in me. And I
felt like I did that, and so because of those reasons,
I feel like I really enjoyed the combine.

Speaker 4 (45:09):
The medical day is the worst day ever. It is.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
I mean, it's it's way worse than what people tell you.
I mean people say it's really bad. Like people people
go into that day saying it's the worst day of
it takes two years off their life.

Speaker 4 (45:23):
And I was like, yeah, okay, we'll see how it is.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
I get there and I'm there from like nine am
to like eight pm, and like you're just sitting around
most of the time, waiting for people to do their skins,
waiting for people to see their doctors.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
And wow, it is awful. But other than that, it's
kind of just the process. There's not much they can
do about it. There's there's like three hundred people there
and everyone's got to get their checks, and so other
than that, I really enjoyed it.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
And I felt like I learned, you know, even more
ball than than than I knew here and got to
meet got to meet some cool people there and make
some bonds, and I feel like I'll kind of keep
for a bit and I can't wait to see where
those guys end up to in the NFL.

Speaker 6 (46:07):
You follow up, No, no, you follow up a big
picture hand raised, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
Yeah, we need headsighte communications, ship go ahead.

Speaker 6 (46:17):
No, I'm just kind of more curious big picture about
about quarterback position. And I see all these quarterback schools
and these kids going to trainers, and like there's it's
become kind of like a cottage industry of of I
don't know that there's a in sports if there's a
more specific thing than learning to play quarterback, and everybody

(46:39):
has their own quarterback coach? What kind of be your
because I'm sure there's some parents that are listening to
this to have kids that are going to be quarterbacks.
What advice would you give to them, like seek out
as much as these schools, Like what kind of things
would you tell them that somebody that's coming up and
trying to play that position be careful.

Speaker 5 (46:53):
Quincy's going to be listening.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
Yeah, so I would say you have to find some
you trust. I think that Quincy was like nobody when
I started working with him, Like he he'll attest that too,
like he he had a couple of clients before I did,
and but I wasn't like thinking like this guy is
gonna make me, you know, i't me go to the

(47:15):
NFL when I was in like seventh grade or something.
But I just I found someone who I trust, who
I liked, and who matched my my my work ethic
and my energy, and we kind of just stuck it
out from there, and for some reason now we're now
we're here together. I would say, be careful, be careful,
you know, agreeing to to train with quarterback coaches and

(47:37):
trainers that are just that you feel are just there
for the money and they're not there to actually they
don't really care that much. Because there's a lot of
those people out right now and I hate seeing it. People,
you know, quarterbacks who are just getting like six or
seventh grade. They're paying so much money to train this guy,
but they're not really learning much from him. And so
that's that's part of the trust thing. You have to

(47:58):
really trust who you're working with and trust they really
care for the outcome and the well.

Speaker 4 (48:02):
Being of your kid and or yourself.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
So there's a lot of really great quarterback coaches and
a lot of great trainers, but also a.

Speaker 4 (48:10):
Lot of really bad ones too. And when I.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Say bad, I just mean they don't really care about
the outcome of the kid, outcome of of you. So
it's it's hard sometimes it's really hard to see that,
like really hard, does this guy really care about me?
You can also be vetted from other people and you know,
reach out to the quarterbacks who have who have been
through been through the process too. So most the quarterback unit,

(48:33):
the quarterback unit in the country is very very tight knit.

Speaker 4 (48:37):
It's a very very small group of people.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
And just DM dude like DM ask me to ask
me a question about a quarterback coach, or or DM
Quincy say hey, do you do you think this is
the right quarterback coach whatever, because everyone kind of gets
vetted the same way.

Speaker 5 (48:54):
So you peel back then in a little bit this
year about kind of your personality and how your big
bullet chess guy. Now, I want to ask you this.
I don't think people know this about you, but you're
a big coffee snob. From what I've heard, you've graded
over forty different CA cups.

Speaker 4 (49:08):
There it is just got my coffee and delivered by
my girlfriend.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
It's good living.

Speaker 5 (49:14):
So what do you think you got a better taste
for coffee or I've heard you're quite the wine guy
as well, now that you're twenty one and everything, well.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
And I'm not drinking wine at nine am in the morning,
as much as I would like to. I don't think
that's something that would be beneficial to my to my wife.

Speaker 4 (49:35):
I do. I do enjoy coffee. That's my mom's fault.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
One of my favorite things to do, like when I'm
home is have a cup of coffee with my mom
in the morning.

Speaker 4 (49:45):
Like that's like my favorite. Especially with the lake too.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
We have a little spot on the cart well and
when the sun's coming up at you know, six thirty
in the morning, and I get.

Speaker 4 (49:56):
To have cough with my mom. It's the coolest thing ever.

Speaker 5 (49:58):
So you're three going on sixty three.

Speaker 4 (50:01):
Yeah, Well we were in when we were in Minneapolis
this year.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
Be and Katious thing, my girlfriend, our thing with We
wake up like forty five minutes before we needed to,
just so you can have coffee and watch the news
in the morning.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
And hey, I'm with you, brother. You don't apologize for that.
That is that is I love it.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
It's it's grounding, it's it's nice to to kind of
wake up.

Speaker 4 (50:26):
You don't have to rush yourself. I hate being rushed. Yeah,
that's one of my favorite things to do in the morning.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
And then the best thing I like about wine is
just that it brings people together.

Speaker 4 (50:35):
I don't usually drink wine by myself.

Speaker 5 (50:41):
Being the keyword there, or ye spitting watch.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
Like soap operas and like cry, drink wine, hang out
with my cats.

Speaker 5 (50:48):
Well, I see the shirt you're wearing, says Young and
the restless on it.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
No, I like wine just because my dad is a
big fan, and I just like how it, you know,
brings people together.

Speaker 4 (51:00):
I think it's fun.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
To to try new lines with people and have you know,
fun dinner experiences and drink a new bottle of wine.

Speaker 4 (51:07):
And you do it for the for the moments and
memories you make with people.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
Anything else, guys, you want to ask, I want to
go get I'll have you judge my Toledo, the K
cup that I'm having a room, yeah, scale, anything else
before we let Max go on the rest of the
rest of his day.

Speaker 6 (51:27):
Yeah, no, no, no question for me, but Max, Uh,
you know, I've covered this program for twenty five years,
and we talked about you a lot this week or
this year, and I think the last when the season
is over. You know, I said, there's a real appreciation
for someone who's covered this thing, you know, more than
two decades. The impact you made on this program in
one year is uh enormous.

Speaker 4 (51:49):
And I think it it It was.

Speaker 6 (51:51):
One of our one of my most enjoyable seasons watching
Go for Football because of the way the offense performed,
the way you performed away it uh rot PJ. The
trust that that you guys could throw the ball and
and be balanced, and and just your leadership and the
way you cared yourself first class all the way.

Speaker 4 (52:11):
And I just say bravo.

Speaker 6 (52:13):
I mean you had you made a a lasting impact
in one year, and I think the fan base appreciate that.

Speaker 4 (52:19):
I appreciate that ship. Thank you well.

Speaker 5 (52:21):
In the spirit of being nice, my final comment will
be this for the tens of thousands of people that
will see it on social media's Max, would you rather
use the photo of you as a cool uncle or
you in a New Hampshire lab coat?

Speaker 1 (52:35):
Oh burn, I think you've posted that that the fun
uncle guy like twenty five times.

Speaker 5 (52:44):
It's a great photo of you.

Speaker 4 (52:45):
Man. You need dude, you need you need a new one.
I won't be getting That's something that you got to
dig on yourself. So you can. You can.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
You can post as you want. It's not my favorite picture,
but you seem to like it. Uh and sorry whatever
whatever whatever gets you going.

Speaker 4 (53:03):
I'm good. I'm good to you. Well.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
Thanks for doing this, man. I echo everything Chip has said.
I've said that to you a million times. It was
it was a pleasure to cover. It's gonna be more
fun to watch you continue to go from here and
and I know you'll be you won't be a stranger.
I know you'll be around, especially with Drake taking the
reins and everything.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
But I continued success.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
Man.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
Thanks for everything today and we'll see you soon.

Speaker 4 (53:26):
Yeah, man, thanks as having me on.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
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