March 2025: Niko Medved Talk, Revenue Sharing Discussion, Recruiting Win

Chip Scoggins, Ryan Burns and Justin Gaard are back to preview their April 12 event at Jax Cafe and spend much of the show this week talking about the Niko Medved hire and what it says about Minnesota's commitment to basketball. They also talk about what they expect the revenue share model to look like at the U and what that can mean for all the programs that will be sharing the money. Burnsie also gives us an update on a nice recruiting win for PJ Fleck.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Glenn Mason said a long time ago at the University
of Minnesota, you need a Pair and a spare. Yes,
thank you PJ and his time for another edition of
the Pair and a Spare podcast. I'm justin guard from
the fan. Hey, can you tell any work for the fan?
It's behind me, It's on my sweatshirt. Also Dinky Town
athletes Ryan Burns from Gopher Illustrated dot com and Chips
Coggins from the Star Tribune. We are here thanks to
our great friends and partners at Jack's Cafe. Make your

(00:21):
reservations at Jaxcafe dot com. And we're taping this on
what March twenty seventh, which means we're just a couple
of weeks away, guys from our big event at Jack's Cafe.
The tickets, I'm told, are flying off the shelves. People
are rolling in. I got a text message from someone
I'm showing me their cart that they are on their way.

(00:42):
They are coming. I won't spoil it who that person
is or who that person is a father of, but
we're excited about this. And it's Saturday night, April twelfth,
at Jack's Cafe six to nine. I think we're going
Burnsey yea, and who knows who's going to show up.
We don't even really know who's going to show up.
Every athlete down there is tweeting about this, Ben who
knows who's coming. But we're looking forward to seeing everybody

(01:02):
a couple of weeks from now at Jack's.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
I mean that's where We've even got Chip's boy Cooy
Perrich tweeting about this, which Chip I had multiple people
at to go for football practice. Ask me why you
never show up to practices or bowl games anymore? But
Prich is going to be there. I'm not saying that
he will be. We don't know yet. How excited are

(01:25):
you going to be?

Speaker 3 (01:27):
Yeah? Like we got Cooy parents tweaking about pair and
as fair like, come on, man.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
It's full circle.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
How could you really get excited about that? Yeah? Yeah,
I said, I want a lot of our friends that
listen to us to show up and it'll be a
good time. I'll be fresh back from Italy by yeah,
that's right, I'll be uh rare to go and uh yeah,
I hope a lot of people come because it'll be
fun to see some faces and a lot of fans

(01:56):
that are excited about I think not just go for football,
but go for sports. Right now, there's a buzz in
this town, right we're.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
Going to talk about it. We're going to talk about it.
People can get info on all of this. The dinky
Town Athletes Twitter handle, our Twitter handle basically every Gopher
football players Twitter handle. You can buy the tickets on
event Bright April twelfth, parent a spare podcast. Significant amount
of the portion proceeds are going to Dinkytown Athletes, So
it should be fun. Hopefully the weather is consistent and

(02:24):
we're ready. We know about the parking. You get dinner
like you get food. It's it's all good. So hope
everybody's out there. Anything else you guys want to add.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
I just say, did you see that menu that Bill
created for this?

Speaker 4 (02:36):
I didn't. I didn't even I don't think I looked
at it. No, I don't think I looked at it.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Because I know it's going to be good. I don't
need a I don't need an advanced plan like you.
You're like Pete Hegseth tweeting out war plans.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
I don't. I don't need advance notice. I just show.
I just show up because I know it's going to
be good.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
But go ahead like to be the talent cards.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
I don't have it off the top of my head,
but it's I read through it the first time. When
I saw it was like, man, this is fantastic.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
All right, we'll pull I'll pull it up. I'll try
to find it.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
Before the end of the find it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
The only only thing I'd add is there's a silent auction.
Plus there's going to be a raffle with some autographed items.
So for those of you that do come hang out
with us, dinner, drinks, raffles, silent auction should be a
heck of a Saturday night.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
Speaking of drinks, you guys know this, But my family's
in Florida right now. I was with my family yesterday.
I will be rejoining my family tomorrow. Nobody needs to
know why.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Or he.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Flew back, It came back.

Speaker 4 (03:34):
Yes, got a basketball game to night, Chipper Big one.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
We that is father of the Year material. So you
flew down there just to help your wife get the
kids settled and everything, and you flew back and now
you're going.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Back, yes, exactly, serving and giving the Justin Guard away.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
He's gonna he's gonna holster that one, and that one's
gonna come out at the most opportune time, right when
he's feeling real crummy about being a dad or something
happening each underceaves. Remember that time I flee you to
Florida and then flew back. So did you take him
a hotel? Get the late flight back?

Speaker 4 (04:06):
Took him to the hotel.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Yeah, played catching the pool for a couple of hours
with the football, and yeah, man flew back. Had to
interview Nico medved this morning. Have to do this, have
to do the go for women's basketball game tonight and.

Speaker 4 (04:20):
Then I'll be back. Yeah that's good.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Well, there are there are companion certificates on Delta, a
nice perk when you have, you know, one of the
fifty Delta credit cards.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
Either're good to have to save money.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
But when you need to change something and you can't,
you got to fly out there and then fly back.
Why did I bring that up? I don't even remember
why I brought it up. Oh, because about four minutes
from my hotel, our hotel, there looks like a very festive,
very fun bar and its name and I was driving
so I couldn't take the picture.

Speaker 4 (04:51):
The name is rum Runners Run. It's the name of
the bar.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
So I pledged you because it's right by the grocery
store where we had to go get some food last
night to make sure they all had their rations, you know,
for the next day and a half, two days while
dad's not there, I will try to at least get
back in the vicinity of rum runners to take a
nice picture and then maybe our photoshop geniuses can put
Burnsey right in the front.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
I can't believe you don't even try a rum runner
from that place. I bet you it's fantastic.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
We'll stay Sandy, Sandy.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah, so anyway, Yeah, but to bring this up in
a fight, no, it won't matter. It never matters. Right now,
the threat of not going to Disney is looming over
the kid's head because it was not a productive day yesterday,
and I just I don't know how we can. I
don't know how we can bring this crew to Disney
if we can't even get them from you know, the

(05:42):
whatever terminal we were in at the airport to the hotel.

Speaker 4 (05:47):
So there's a lot of moving parts.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
That is the ultimate threat where you threaten to take
away the Disney pass, like that's the beauty of it.

Speaker 4 (05:54):
Right.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
There's three adults because my mom is with us. Grandma's
going to be with us, so we have room to
hold people back. If only one of the kids, if
only one of the kids earns the trip to the
Magic Kingdom, that's fine because Grandma ain't going to the
Magic Kingdom. She's going to hang out by herself that day.
So and I don't really need to go either. I've
been there.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
That's all you've talked about with me for years now.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
Space Mountain, Yeah, no, No one will be doing Space Mountain.

Speaker 4 (06:23):
I did. That's fine. Our kids won't do it.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
They don't. They're not. Maybe the oldest will do it.
The middle one definitely won't. I traumatized them. A couple
of years ago, we went to Universal in Hollywood to
see the new Super Mario World and that was fine,
that was cool. But then we noticed there was a
really short line at the Jurassic Park dinosaur ride.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
So let's just hop on this and see what this
is about. I is scary.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
You almost get eat t Rex a couple of different times.
We still have the great videos of my daughter as
as we have gone down the log shoot as the
t Rex comes right over the top of us at
the end of a very intense ride. I don't think
she's doing Space Mountain after the Jurassic Park incident incident,
as Chip would say, so anyway, Yeah, but nobody appreciates anything.

(07:08):
They have no appreciation. They're all completely spoiled. It's I'll
be lucky if the hotel is intact by the time
I get back sometime on Friday. So that's what I'm doing. Yeah,
that's what I'm doing, all right. I'd love for people
to subscribe on YouTube. By the way, we're on YouTube
every single week. Hit subscribe on the pod if you
haven't as well. Every once in a while we get

(07:30):
comments on the YouTube channel. They're mostly about, you know,
things that Chip has said or things that Chip do
and we need to get Chip some help. This phone
thing is a little dicey. Why does Bernsy care so
much about spring practice? But then there's this one. This
is a long one, so bear with me here. You
do it for the family and the memories. I wrote
so many of you, of these famous and infamous words

(07:52):
on my yellow tablet. As I listen to this, Max,
what a treasure to have known you since the very
day you were born, and Papa and I you name
to me Mana or Manna in your toddler efforts to
say Grandma, and the name's stuck and I love it.
Your old soul essence is the real deal, which is
to say, it's not a deal. It's who you are
and always have been. We're so proud of the ways
you are in the world valuing others. That's why children

(08:15):
like you. Thank you to the many mentors and teachers
who have accompanied Max on his journey, and to you
Parent of Spare gentleman, for having Max on your program.
That from Grandma Pierce Brosmer, Oh wow.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Do you think maxis seeing that? Do you think he's
even aware of it?

Speaker 1 (08:33):
No, that's why I'm in a screenshot and send it
to you and you can send it to Max.

Speaker 4 (08:37):
I doubt Max checking out on his YouTube.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Comments on the Parent of Spare podcast, But the Parent
of Spare gentleman, I think that's how we have to
refer to ourselves from.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
Here on out.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
And thank you to Max's grandma for not only finding
us on the YouTube channel but leaving a comment. So
I say to everybody, if Max's grandma can leave a
comment and help us out and call us gentlemen, what
the hell excuse do you guys have the rest of
you parentispare audience? So there you go.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
That's right. That was That was lovely.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
My grandmother would have no shot of being able to
number one pull up YouTube and then number two actually
know how to apply a comment to a video. It's
just going, hey, what tips and do it?

Speaker 3 (09:23):
Nor could your co host?

Speaker 4 (09:25):
Yeah, so anyway, I thought that was cool.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
I got that this morning and I wanted to bring
that out and we we do not have it for
those waiting for a special guest today, you're stuck with us. Unfortunately,
our off season tradition of having a special go for
great on our pod has been stopped.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
It too.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
We're going to do more as we go along. It's
just gonna be yesterday, and we have a lot to
talk about, including rep share stuff, money stuff, some spring
practice stuff, some recruiting stuff. But we've had a lot
of fun with those the last couple of weeks.

Speaker 4 (09:51):
It was.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
It's been awesome to hear from Matt Spaeth and Max Bros.
Murt give us suggestions on who we should have on
right because we should be able to get within six
degrees of everybody that we should be able to get
on this podcast.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Right, I mean between yours, between chips Rolodex, Guardi's Rolodex,
and then my I would say my Google calendar, but
I want to make sure I have an applicable reference
for Chip because he doesn't know what that means. We
can probably find somebody I'm excited to see if we
can get who are hopefully our next special guest will

(10:22):
beat Chip.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
He will come through. He's excited about it.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
But all right, good, So we'll do that probably after
your Italy trip, once you head out, and we'll be
off for a couple of weeks. All right, let's get
going with the episode. Enough fluff, enough fluff, but come
see us. Jack's Cafe April twelfth linked to buy tickets
on all of our social media channels, So we'd love
to see out there a couple of saturdays from now.
Are we going to talk basketball? Are we going to
talk a little? Nico Medved? Chip, you brought up the

(10:48):
fact that it seems like a very buzzy time for
GOP for sports. Nico Medved obviously announced as I think
the nineteenth head coach and Golden Gopher history and it's
I think the fourth time that I've been to a
Gopher basketball hiring press conference. So, and I've only been
around for twenty years covering sports. I've obviously grown up here.
I am one of us, certainly know the history of

(11:10):
the program. Went on a rant a few months ago
that got a little bit of attention about some things.
Nico and I might battle about Williams Arena. We'll see,
We'll see how it goes. But where do we want
to go with this? What do we want to talk about?
Obviously this was the worst cupt secret in Minnesota sports.
Even joking about it, Ben Johnson gets let go. I
think on a Wednesday night, late into the evening and

(11:32):
by Friday morning, everybody who knows anything is saying Nico
Medbed looks good for this.

Speaker 4 (11:38):
And we never heard another name.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
I was joking even with Nico that Burnsy's buddy Ryan
James dot com, you want to talk about making his
own weather for the hot board, he's just ro name. Well,
this guy might be interested. This guy was last time.
Don't think he's going to get a call. They obviously
zeroed in on the Colorado State coach, the former manager
under Clem Haskins, the Gopher grad Roseville native Nico medved

(12:02):
pretty quickly and never looked back.

Speaker 4 (12:03):
What do we think?

Speaker 3 (12:05):
Yeah, I would say sometimes the first choice is the
obvious choice. And it was obvious that he was the
guy that they had targeted, much like I think it was.
We didn't know it at the time, but Mark Cole
wanted PJ. Fleck and that was his number one guy,
and he was going to make that happen, was gonna
wait whatever it took to get him. It is a

(12:27):
good hire for many different reasons. I put it to
the top of the list of the fact he's been
a head coach at three places, and he's been a
winner at three places. He's been to the NCAA tournament,
he's won games. It is what they call it sprinkles
on a cake or a bonus to me, that that
he's from here, that he graduated here. They knows that.
I mean, that's that's that's just that's extra to me.

(12:50):
That they got a head coach with experience, who knows
what he's doing, who's run a program, who's dealt with
in I L I just think, uh, this is a
really good higher And I think their reaction from the
fan base, I think they're uh. I think relief is
probably I think excitement, but also think relief that where

(13:12):
this what Mark Cole came up with this coaching search.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
I'm just here for the sprinkles on the cake reference.
I don't know that I've heard that.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
The cake first and then you can put the sprinkles.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah, I want to know, as an East Metro guy,
why are you disparaging like mister cake eater, mister Minnetonki
Dinah disparaging by Roseville man. Well, I will be clear
because I've heard from the Roseville folks they don't want
to claim him. They want to claim the school district.
But apparently he's actually Little Canada, went to Roseville High School,

(13:44):
but he lived in Little Canada. Now is a Roosevelt resident.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
I have.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
I have a source of pride. I thought about pulling
a Chris Thomlinson and going and finding his parents' house,
knocking on the door and then posting a picture from
outside saying his parents have no comment.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
I ran that by a few people and got it.
That's probably going to be a no if you go
pull one of those. But with Nico, I'm just glad
that it's unfortunate for that Colorado State team that was
so hot to end the year. They lose on the
travel non travel whatever you want to call it, buzzer beater.
But with the portal opening on Monday, and with the

(14:21):
next important.

Speaker 4 (14:22):
Date being.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
I believe it's April seventh, between the judge ruling on
the rev share plus every one of these Nile deals
are going to have to go through the clearinghouse. I
think after in and around that date, within seventy two hours,
then everything really gets put under a microscope of we're
paying these guys what for why? Like they needed to

(14:45):
get this thing moving. So while it is unfortunate for
Nico that they did lose, I think it's a good
thing for Minnesota basketball now that they can start to
figure out what this roster is going to look like,
which I guess good news for them is, you know,
we went through this last year with Elijah Hawkkins, but
I have a hard time believing Isaac a Zoom is
going to pull one of those You.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
Know, Mark Cole would never give you true sirm, but
imagine his swings of emotion in that span of two
minutes where they hit the three to look like they're
going to win it, And now you know because he
you know, he was clear, he was waiting. He acknowledged it.
You know, he walked back to the back room. It's
all Gracie is his daughter. But yeah, so then you
know they lose. It's like, okay, game on now, it's like,

(15:26):
let's get this thing done in the next fifteen hours
or whatever. So you're right, I mean, the timing. You
feel bad for Nico and his players, but the timing
from a gopher's perspective was was perfect.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
Well imagine had that travel been called or the shot, which,
by the way, was an epic shot by Derek.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
Great shot, a phenomenal shot.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
Yeah, great defense by the ram too, whoever the Colorado state.

Speaker 4 (15:51):
It was just a classic Mark.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
Duncan was blushing with the use of his bank there. Seriously,
the angle, the footwork, the whole bit. And I'm from Baltimore, man,
you know, and that's epic. I mean, that's a T shirt.
I'm sure they've already been printed and sold thousands. I
saw what a tremendous comment that was. I'm from Minneapolis
and I want to buy one of those.

Speaker 4 (16:10):
That thing was that's sick.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
But Kevin Willard right now at his next stop, they
play Florida tonight. He's just making a mess of every
time he's asked about anything because everybody thinks he's going
to Villanova, right and the ted Minnesota not hired a
coach on Monday, I think we all obviously could see
the writing on the wall that Nico was going to
be the guy. We literally heard nothing about anybody else

(16:32):
even being close.

Speaker 4 (16:33):
But there is a little bit of a tension there.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
And actually on the Golden Golpher podcast this week, I
talked to Nico about that when he's trying to play
in the Mountain West Tournament and everybody, every every sign
is pointing to him being the new coach. Oh, then,
by the way, you got to go win these games.
And credit to the players for handling it, credit to
him obviously and his staff for handling it. Will Wade,
the former McNee state coach, did the same thing, basically

(16:59):
like it's it's not a distraction. We just boat raced Clemson,
and I know they had to hang on a little bit,
but I think everybody kind of knows the deal. Such
a weird, awkward time of year with all the different
stuff that's going on. Oh and by the way, the
portal's open right now the Monday, and teams are still playing.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
Don't you think because college sports has become so transactional
and guys are leaving, going to a little that like
ten years ago, fifteen years ago, we might have made
more of that, like, oh, this is really affecting the kids.
It's like half these rosters are going to be blown
up in a matter of days. So it's like there's
not that same feeling like, oh my gosh, this coach
is being mentioned in you know, right with another higher

(17:36):
I just think it's it is so transactional that sport,
more so than football, basketball. It is how much are
you going to pay me?

Speaker 4 (17:45):
Yeah? Well in the mercenary leave now, that's the other part.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
The players can leave now, so it's not, as I
don't think, as cataclysmic for them. You know, it used
to be the coach would leave and there's twelve guys
that are just stuck in whatever city and they're they're
but they're used to movement now too, right, especially in
the basketball side.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Or even I saw a graphic of the Sweet sixteen
teams and they have where did these guys start their
careers at? And it's like Purdue's about the only one
that all five guys started at for new Yeah right,
I think at four and then every every every other
team is just a shmortgage board. But that's that's the
way you point, Burnie.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
I looked at it to Perdue is the only one,
and I think was it Texas Tech that didn't have anybody?
But it was like basically they started somewhere else. It
was I forgot the school there was one. Then blest
that literally everybody on the roster had started somewhere else.
But that's that's I don't even shake my head anymore.
It's just that's how it is.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
You know, hasn't affected the popularity of the tournament. They
just announced that record ratings. Everybody's always worried about that.
Now nobody knows who any of these players are, Like
we're all winging it and like like I forgot.

Speaker 4 (18:58):
Where who's Caleb Love played for?

Speaker 3 (19:00):
Now?

Speaker 4 (19:00):
Like he played for North Carolina like three years ago.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
Playing aren't they what is he in Arizona? You just Arizona?

Speaker 4 (19:09):
Yeah, Well, I.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
Have a theory on that, Guardian. Maybe I'm wrong. I
think the bracket and everybody having a bracket leads to
the popularity. I would love to see the numbers during
the regular season now compared to win pre Yeah, maybe
they're better, Maybe they're better, I don't know. But there's
something about the bracket in this in March madness, I think.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
That, Yeah, I mean increasing popularity of sports betting in
this world, which I'll to I'll do the direct correlation
if if those things are up in terms of bracket ratings.
It's also because sports betting has never become more and
more popular.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
I actually saw a little something float around that someone
is trying to put together almost like a thirty two
team tournament in November and December, like invite only with
a bracket version of it. Nil related just to get
to your point, Chippers some more buzz because nobody really
tunes into college basketball anymore until March.

Speaker 4 (20:06):
Like obviously, if you have a good team, you're going
to the games.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
But it isn't like even when I was a kid,
where you were ready for Big Monday on ESPN to watch.

Speaker 4 (20:14):
The Big East.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
You're ready for Super Tuesday to watch the Big twelve
and the Big Ten, like none of that exists anymore.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
Well, it's funny when I was in college, like Big Monday.
That was the thing, Like we were huge every Monday,
Big Monday, just loved it, and then Tuesday came along,
had it. Yeah. You know, they're probably still in the
pace from what the NBA tried with.

Speaker 4 (20:31):
Their you know, their yeah, the NC Tournament.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
Yeah, I mean, all these leagues are looking at it like, Okay,
these regular seasons are grind and people are not tuning
into the way that they did. So we got to
tinker with some things and try new things to make
the to break up the monotony that's the right word,
monotony of the regular season, you know, and four eyeballs
on it, you know.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
Yeah, and you don't have the built in advantage anymore
of when I was a kid.

Speaker 4 (20:58):
Christian Latner stated, Duke for four years, correct.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
The Fab five stayed for two together, and then Weber
left and the other you know, Juwan Howard and Jalen
stayed for a third, and then the other two, Ray
Jackson and Jimmy King stayed for a fourth.

Speaker 4 (21:11):
You got Tim Duncan stayed four years. You know.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
It came through the Metrodome, got absolutely enveloped by Rick
Patino's Kentucky Wildcats just forty minutes miserable minutes of being pressed.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
I covered Tim Duncan's senior year at Wake Forest.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
There you go, ye North Carolina, and everybody knew who
he was by then, right, it was cool even for
a teenager at the time, ninety six something like that.
I'm pulling up and it's oh, Tim Duncan's here. Yeah,
I've been watching him for four years, and so you
don't have that same attachment to the teams now in
that same breath. There's a great article last week. I

(21:48):
think about the coaches. You know, we've all talked about
a lot of the old guard has gotten out of
sports because of the new ways football. We've certainly seen
that Nick Saban's now a television star. Krzyzewski's not there,
Roy Williams, they're Jay Wright to television star.

Speaker 4 (22:03):
Well, you look at the Sweet sixteen.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
You've got Rick Barnes, Tom Izzo, Bruce Pearl, and go
down the list. You got some got some old heads
that have figured out how to thrive and not let
all the newness in the way that they've done it
for some of these guys forty years. They a lot
of these old heads have you know, kind of stayed
where they are. So that's the constant I think of
the tournament is Izzo's making his sixteenth Sweet sixteen appearance

(22:27):
in twenty seven straight tournaments a lot of and now
he's coaching Jace Richardson, whose dad was Jason.

Speaker 4 (22:33):
On his national championship team.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Like the old head, coaches have figured out how to
maximize in the new world. And obviously they're at great programs,
so that helps. But that's I think the constant of
the tournament that we all can look to.

Speaker 4 (22:45):
Now.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Yeah, well that's for again with guys like Izzo. I mean,
they've chosen to adapt and they've adapt or die on
the vine. Especially in this world of college basketball, where
we've all said it so transactional, the players are again
I said it earlier, I just mercenaries. Essentially, they're one
year for ninety percent of them. Well, in God bless

(23:06):
if you're at the group of five or lower, your
best players are gone every single year and you're gonna
have to rekindle and get new guys. But it's just again,
that's where again maybe it's the old head in me
that I enjoy. I hope Isaaca Zuma stays four years
and fans can build that attachment to the kid from Cherry,
Minnesota and they can build again. Those are the things

(23:28):
about college athletics I get romantic about. But yeah, I
know that I'm a dying breed with that.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
Well, I got to be honest, I don't think I've
ever seen a situation like what Nico's facing now, where
well they have two kids on scholarship, two Isaac and
Grayson Grove.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
They grow there because Frank Mitchell is now going to
play for woj bomb out there at Saint Bohnaventures.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
I mean, he basically needs what twelve thirteen guys Now
they have income and guys income and recruits, but.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Those guys aren't even guarantee. You say that they have
an opportunity to leave, and you know, I was reading
Andy Greeder from the Pioneer Press this mornings and Niko
said he hasn't talked to him yet. Now he will.
But I mean, do they want to come to Minnesota
still knowing that the guy that they committed to is
no longer going to be here? What are their options
at this point? But yeah, cha, but it's like eighty
five percent of the minutes from last year, essentially anybody

(24:19):
not named Isaac Azuma is going to be brand new
for your team.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Well, and here's where they're in and here's where we
can localize this now, because as Chip mentioned, it seems
like it's an exciting, optimistic time for Minnesota sports, certainly
for Minnesota basketball, because I think for the first time
that I can remember, I feel there's a very public
pressure on the school, on the administration, on Mark Coyle,

(24:45):
on the president, on the board of regents that it's
time to invest on the basketball side of things as
much as you can to get this program going. For me,
the first this is the first time where a coach
got let go and it wasn't universal that everyone was
just mad at the coach.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
There was there was direct heat on you know, well,
if you.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
Would have gotten more money or had more money, maybe
Ben would have kept some guys and maybe it would
have been a little bit different. Would it have changed everything,
Would Mark have still made a move? I don't know,
but I think you're seeing with some of the things
that Marcus said publicly about how they want to invest
in basketball, how the Big Ten has said they want
to invest in basketball, this seems like kind of a

(25:26):
good time for Gopher hoops, And I think Jace Frederick
wrote it, if not now, when to get this thing
jump started with all the advantages that they have of
being in the Big ten in this ever changing landscape.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
Yeah, this is, without a doubt an inflection point. And
I I can speak with confidence that Mark Cole feels it.
He knows it, Like because of revenue sharing, you have
to be successful in football or basketball or you're gonna die.
You just are I mean, you're not gonna be a

(25:58):
You have to have successful program. You need to be
able to squeeze as much money out of those programs
as you can. You cannot walk into Williams Arena and
see seven thousand people there and think that's gonna work.
It's not gonna fly. They need to be successful in there.
They need to have that place packed because it's a
trickle down thing. Then you can't sell advertisings for as much,
Then your partnerships don't go for as much. Then you

(26:20):
don't get parking, all these things. He knows that you
have to spend money to make money in college athletics
right now. And you cannot think that you can just
coach him up. That doesn't work, and so you're gonna.
He knows it, and I think I think the fact

(26:41):
that he's worked at Kentucky in Syracuse, he's seen it
and understands what basketball means. I think, well, I know
the fact that him being on that NCAA selection committee
burns him up to have to pick teams in that tournament,
knowing that his program is floundering. And so I get
the sense from being around there and talking to a
lot of people and talking to him this week, that

(27:02):
they know you better make a commitment, in a big commitment.
And I reported a couple of weeks ago, and he
confirmed it that they're going to revenue share with five programs.
He didn't say which ones, but it's obvious. I mean,
people have told me it's it's going to be football,
men's and women's basketball, men's hockey, and volleyball. I would

(27:23):
be stunned if it's anything less than eighty five percent
going to football and men's basketball. I think it's going
to be more like ninety percent. Now you can say,
is it's seventy seventy five football, fifteen twenty percent basketball.
I think it's going to be in that range. But
I think he knows that those two sports have to
be successful, and he have to give give as much
revenue sharing to them as possible.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
I hope you're right in those percentages. I would tell
you that I'm still working on it in terms of
figuring out if what I'm being told is accurate. I
know you and I have different sources in the athletic department,
but I hope you're right that it is someone around
ninety percent goes to football and men's basketball. Now, to
Guardi's point about Ben didn't have the resources, that's true.

(28:07):
But I think the unpopular thing to kind of say
with this too is I think Ben Johnson could have
done a better job with an IL. I think if
you talk to people that's not around, that's not uncare
at all. I think that's I think that's a fair criticism.
I think if you talk to people in and around
that program, and in and around the university, and in
and around the people who know how much money that
they actually had an NIL last year, I think they

(28:30):
would tell you that they wish there would have been
more there in terms of money. But I think you
also kind of get to with you know how much
energy and effort you put in there. So that's where
Fleck has done and I think an incredible job with
the donors here because we know how skeptical this fan
base is because it's Minnesota sports. I mean, anything that
can go wrong does go wrong, and it has for
essentially my entire lifetime since nineteen ninety one. And while

(28:54):
Nico is going to have more resources because of rev Share.
Now whether that number is from Revshare specifically, say three
million dollars, but so is every other Big Ten team.
It's going to have that three million dollars extra in
addition to their NIL. So I know that Nico is
going to be trying to find any you know, every

(29:15):
dunker he can to try and see if he can
get a little bit more money to build this roster,
because in this day and age of college basketball, I
think if you look at the chart that says who
has the most money and who doesn't, money doesn't guarantee
you success in college basketball. It doesn't, but lack of
money guarantees you failure.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
It increases your chances. I've heard from multiple people that
boosters a basketball boosters in terms of NIL. We're sitting
on the sideline to see the direction of the what
Mark was going to do and I think Mark Fuller
had his state in his story the day of the
hiring that Dinky Town athletes had their largest giving for

(30:01):
basketball in its history. Yep, the day he was hired,
So that speaks to it. Now. Mark said his goal
is to be top third or top third of the
Big Ten in revenue sharing, and people are getting this
kind of confused.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
And you're saying in revenue sharing for men's basketball.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
Men's basketball, okay, which basically what he's saying is we
want to have a higher percentage of revenue sharing to
men's basketball than twelve other teams. Right now, that's feasible
because these other schools have more NIL that they can give,
so maybe they have a smaller percentage of their revenue
share and that they give to these sports. You see

(30:38):
what I'm saying. It's like it's a it's a tug
of war. It's like people think, well, how can they
do that with Ohio State. I'm just gonna throw out
a hip hypothetical. If Mark said I want to give
fifty percent of my revenue sharing to men's basketball, they're
going to be number one in the Big Ten because
nobody's gonna give fifty percent, right it's your percentage. What
they have to do is get more nil. So it's

(31:00):
the pot grows in both from both parts. Right, So
let's just say twenty percent. Well that's four million dollars, right,
there is my math. I suck at mass twenty percent
of twenty million four.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Million, right, it's just over for Yeah, so.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
If fifteen percent is that three and a half million,
I think round there. Yeah, so if you gave fifteen percent,
that's three and a half million. Now you could get
one point five two million, who knows if people really
jump on board, now you're over five million. That's where
I think that's where people are getting confused on how
this thing can work.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
Well, right I do. I mean I want to lose
twenty pounds in the next year, but like.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
Hey, I have look at me. You my goal, My
goals to lose twenty pounds by Italy and I've done it.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Like, I hope you're right and that they are top
third in that revenue percentage. I would just say, like,
if you're going to do that, I hope that football
isn't the one that's going to be taking the hit
for it.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
It won't be I think he's gonna be the others.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
And again that's where women's basketball and men's hockey and volleyball. Again,
I think because every Big Ten school will choose to
give you know, whatever the number is, four five sixty
seven schools. Now, the ancillary parts of it, which is
that final fifteen percent of the money twenty percent of
the money for every school in the Big Ten, is
going to be different. That's where I would imagine Minnesota's

(32:16):
men's hockey program is going to see a higher percentage
of revenue sare than a lot of other Big Ten schools,
whatever it may be.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
I mean most Big Ten, A lot of Big ten
schools don't even have hockey, correct, So that's not even
something that Iowa or Illinois has to worry about.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
Then. But then, if you're Mark col do you say,
why am I going to go to a big percentage
of men's hockey if we can be successful without you
see what I'm saying. I would be willing to bet
that every Big ten school is at eighty five percent
at least for football and basketball.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
Yeah, I think I think the thing we're going to
find out when this judge issues the ruling, and the
thing I might be most curious about with the context
of Minnesota. Is every Big Ten school going to give
the same percentage roughly within say three percent for football
and men's basketball? I think so, like, is that going
to be set from a Big Ten commissioner?

Speaker 3 (33:09):
You have to because those are your two money makers, Like,
you'd be foolish not to.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
Right, I agree, but I think there's a lot of
things that are foolish that happen with all this money
that's now coming into I mean, we're talking about a
University of Minnesota program that their athletic budget and last
fiscal year one hundred and fifty million roughly, like it's
as big as it's ever been and it's only going
to get bigger because of the media rights deal. And
that's where with the two buyouts, I mean, where does

(33:35):
Mark Coyle get the money. He's got six seven million
dollars he's paying in the buyout, plus Nico got a
raise to three million dollars. And that's where I even
think the context of that three million dollars statement is
true or it needs to be put into context. Ben
Johnson was making two, Nico's going to make three. That's great.
That's an additional million dollars for the Minnesota men's basketball coach.

(33:55):
But he went from eighteenth in the Big Ten to seventeenth,
Like there's there needs to be context within all of
these statements.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
I think I do wonder to the point about the
Mark said that they in the past they've had a
takeout a loan from the university to pay off buyouts.
I think they did a mace maybe with someone whose
but Mark Mark said they'll pay the athletic apartment. They
have the money, They'll pay the buyouts, all of them.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
God blest the media rights money. That's just only yeah, two.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
Things on that. I do wonder if Nico if the
starting salary is reflected because of those buyouts, and if
you know Mark redoes contracts every year, if you'll get
a big bump after one year once they get past
the buyouts and Bernsie guard you made it. Do you
know what the the jump in media rights is going
to be starting next year with this new deal, because
I know they bounce a budget, right, and it's not

(34:48):
like they have a ton of reserves, Like, where the
hell is this twenty and a half million dollars going
to come from? Now? I know some of the media
rights jumps up but I don't think it's jumping twenty
and a half million dollars, is it.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Well, I think this past year, and I wish Eric
Vigo is here from Go for Puck Live to correct
me if I'm wrong or when I am wrong. I
think they were last fiscal year somewhereround like fifty five
sixty million, and it's supposed to jump significantly, I think
in the next year to like eighty ish million.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
According to AI a Google search in twenty twenty five
Big ten schools are projected to receive an average of
seventy nine point four million, two one hundred million dollars annually.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
So that's where that's a seventy nine to I wonder
that's a big gap. Yeah, but at least but a
minimum of fifteen million.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
So yeah, but I would imagine the Athletic Department is
counting on, say, just for rough numbers here, an additional
fifteen million to fifteen to twenty million that is going
to be coming in additional to what they had in
the budget. And that's where I think. That's where that
revenue sharing money. That's why how you can afford to
have the seven million in buyout plus give Nico arrays
plus give the assistant staff pool a little bit of

(35:51):
a raise. Again, I'm just very curious to see that
if and when the judge decides, and if and when
revshoot revenue sharing, it's made public to an extent in
terms of what every individual Big Ten institution is giving,
I think then we'll actually see if Minnesota is top third,
and by top third, I also think I feel like
we have to clarify that further. Chip. I anticipate them

(36:14):
being sixth, not closer to first laste it.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
Yeah, yeah, they're not gonna be first or second it, but
even for I mean, yeah, it's.

Speaker 4 (36:23):
I don't care top third, top half. Just get close.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
Yeah, make sure you'll be closer, which I think if
you're a men's basketball fan is as excited as have been, because, yes,
from talking with people around there, there were games that
Gopher basketball played this year where they were down, like
in comparison to Money and the other Big Ten team
they're playing like four and five x. Now, again, sure
some of that's on the institution, some of that's on

(36:49):
Ben Johnson. But now with revenue sharing and hopefully if
Nico can continue to cultivate his nil here, if that
number becomes closer to two x, then yeah, every single night,
your go for basketball team is going to have a
shot that this time next year to be playing in March.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
Finally, Yeah, I mean it. And that's why I think
when I said, I get the sense that Mark really
fills the urgency to get this right. Because how many
programs they have twenty.

Speaker 4 (37:20):
Two I don't know exactly.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
It's tricky when you count track because it's you know
they can up. But anyways, five five are gonna get
revenue shearing like, I'm sure there are other universities are
gonna spread it, you know, spread it out more. But
I think Mark looks at it as an institution, looks
at it's like, Okay, we can't be all to everyone,
like everyone can't get a piece of this right. He

(37:46):
knows they better be good in football men's basketball specifically,
and because those are the ones where you have the
highest ceiling to make money and the nostalgia of broad
based programs and you still want to do that, but
this has become such a big business with the revenue
sharing it. You have to make money off football and
men's basketball as much as you guys squeeze every nickel

(38:09):
out of it you.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
Can, right And with with hockey, they have a unique
revenue generator that you know isn't crazy money, but it's
a it's a revenue generator. And with volleyball and basket
women's basketball, those are your two high end growth ones,
like if you're doing if you're doing stocks like we've seen,
I mean, the popularity for both of those sports has exploded,
right the last couple of years. Volleyball probably started before

(38:32):
basketball did, and then Kaitlyn Clark came along. And now,
I mean, shoot, I was in where the hell was
I Springfield, Missouri and Toledo, Ohio, and they they each
had great crowds for WB I T women's basketball games.

Speaker 4 (38:44):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Like, it's that's a that's revenue. Now, is it ever
going to match men's basketball?

Speaker 4 (38:50):
Probably not?

Speaker 1 (38:50):
At some schools it might, but it makes sense to
invest some money in there too, because you'll get some growth.
I think you'll see some returns on that eventually, if
not immediately.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
If I would love nothing more than go for women's
basketball just be a net even program, and that would
be a huge accomplishment for them. And again I know
that there's a big game that guards he's gonna call tonight.
But I mean him and I have talked about this,
Like I agree with him that there is no sport
in college athletics. I think that has a higher ceiling
than women's basketball, right, And if they give even say again,

(39:26):
I don't want to put a number on it, because
then people will run with it. But as Chips reported,
and I think he's told you this to Guardsy, like
whatever money don plits Away can get in revenue sharing
is going to go a long way to trying to
get them sustainably in the NCAA tournament. And if you
can do that, you can cultivate a young generation of
women to really start to fill out the barn.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Yeah, and I've seen it at Big ten schools just
in my four years.

Speaker 4 (39:52):
I've seen it grow.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
I mean, I watched the Kaitlin Clark thing go from
a cool thing in Iowa where she's just in the
corner signing a couple lotographs for you know, a couple
of kids. Same thing in Nebraska because they had a
lot of local kids that played.

Speaker 4 (40:05):
And and that's a kind.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
Of a different animal because they were always selling out
because it's Nebraska, and that's just what they do. They
just support. I took an uber ride from Omaha to
Lincoln one time, and it was like I was on
an Oma Lincoln, Nebraska sports podcast. The driver was locking
me up on everything every sport, baseball, women's you know, everything,
that's how popular it is down there. But even you know,
at Michigan State the final game of the regular season

(40:29):
this year, there was nine thousand people there, like the
whole lower ball at the Breslam was full for a
team that ended up making the Instable Tournament. They've they're
on a good run. But so I think definitely we're
seeing that happen. We know the atmosphere is and the
big ten for volleyball are off the charts.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
Every volleyball. Yeah, when you look at particularly the big
thing knows it because look at what they've done with
their TV with volleyball correct, Like I mean, uh, they
realize like that is a stock that is you know,
soaring right now. And so so I do think I
think at least the strategy what we've heard from Mark

(41:03):
in terms of the programs targeted are smart. You know.
Now we'll just see what the percentage breakdown is on there.
But I think they got the right plan.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Well, what's interesting is that every Big Ten team is
going to be in a good position because of the
head start they're going to have on the rev Share.
Now we might have time to talk about it, but
the Big East is kind of a sleeping giant in this.
They've been a basketball only league for a while now.
They've got nationally relevant programs including where the Gopher a

(41:33):
former Gopher head coach Richard Patinos now Xavier like they
don't have football to worry about. So basically, any rev
Share money that they decide to opt into, they're going
to fund it and put it into their basketball programs.
Been interesting. Big Ten schools are like, well, that's not
really fair, and all the Big Eat schools are like, oh,
we don't care. Yeah, not our problem. Sorry, you're cashing
these huge checks. You're the ones that blew this whole

(41:55):
thing up and made us have to do this and
go to a basketball only league. Essentially, the number for
men's basketball, if we just want to keep it to
that that everybody seems to agree you have to have
to be somewhat competitive, is five million dollars total.

Speaker 4 (42:09):
Whatever.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
The Yahoo story that Ross Dellinger wrote where he has
the same breakdown seventy five you know, to eighty five
percent football at some spots, you know, ten to twenty
for men's basketball, other sports, get.

Speaker 4 (42:21):
The rest whatever.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
So my point is most Big ten teams, I think
are going to be around that number, you know, with
rev share and nil. Let's say when I say most,
at least half are probably gonna be at five million.
So my point in this whole thing go ahead.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
No, I'd like any mean rookie, I think seven millions,
where a lot of you are going to get probably right.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
So my point, the point of that whole thing is
Big ten is in pole position because they have the
head start with revshare money. When these thousand kids going
to the portal after every year, they're gonna start gravitating
towards these you know, the Big ten, the SEC and
then obviously the Big East because they're gonna have a
bunch of My point is we're gonna see a lot

(43:02):
of seven and five basketball seasons like we you know,
like we saw set and I'm just saying football seasons.
We talked to the whole football season on the pair
and spare that you had the two teams or three
teams at the top the two teams, the three teams
at the bottom. You I'm not gonna do the math twelve.
We're separated by a game or a game and a half.

(43:22):
I think that's what we're gonna start to see. I
think the the everybody's gonna be good. There's not gonna
be any bad teams. And that's gonna be interesting to
see how people react to that, because if you are
a good team in the Big ten, you're going to
the tournament. They're going to expand that. It seems like
to seventy six. I just think we're gonna see a
lot of twenty and thirteen teams out of the Big

(43:43):
ten making the NCAA's.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
Yeah, because much like we talked to you talked to
Max Brosner last week. You asked them about guys being
at lower levels whatever and clearly can play at a
higher level. Those mid major programs are gonna get gutted
even more than they already are, because if you're a
good mid may your program or a good mid major player,
you're gonna get seven hundred thousand, you know whatever money,

(44:09):
and I think I think five million is probably the
the benchmark that you have to be at. I think
some will go up to and we saw I think
Arkansas this year is at seven million.

Speaker 4 (44:17):
Right, yeah, everybody get you at the table.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
The cutoff, this is the cutoff. Yeah, and really, I
mean again, I go back to if if you you know,
let's say you did ten percent, well that's two million
of rev share. That's two million. And then if you
I think fifteen percent is more likely, that's three point five.
Well if you get one point five and redshare, which
you should be able to do if you're a big

(44:42):
ten school, easy and put I mean and I that
puts you at five. So but if you're a it
would be hard to be a mind major. And you know,
I'm sure Deco is going to come here just because
but you know, hometown all that, But that has the
factor in your calculus.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
To and that's been the first question if I was
Nico medved to Mark Coyle is what resources are you
going to have to allow me to be successful? Because
you can be the best coach in the world at
this point. But like I said earlier, if you don't
have money, you just don't have any shots. Now that's
where like a team like Creighton I think is a
good example within this I would expect Creighton men's basketball
to always have more money, probably than the University of

(45:23):
Minnesota men's basketball team because of that revenue share. Now
they also are able to cultivate a heck of an
and it's their only thing down there is Creighton men's basketball,
right Whereas, again the unique part of this market with
four pro sports teams, YadA YadA. But that is where
the Big East is going to have the advantage of
They're going to be able to set a higher allocation

(45:45):
of whatever their revenue sharing money is towards. You know,
you don't think Patino's father out there at Saint John's
is going to be advocating for every last dollar.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
Oh yeah, I mean he's got his billionaire buddy that's
basically his right hand man out there. Because someone asked me,
is is Xavier really that big of a step up
from New Mexico? I said, yeah, Historically, Number one, they
go to tournaments all the time, and number two, they're
in the Big East, which means they're going to be funded.
And that's as critical as it's ever been as we know,
as we've talked about a million times. So anyway, it

(46:16):
was I do, like you said at the top chip.
It feels like a good inflection point and let's see
where this thing goes now, Like there there does seem
to be some wind at the.

Speaker 4 (46:26):
Sales of it.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
Really both basketball programs for the first time in a
while that you can point to and say everybody wants
everybody tells me how the barn's a great place when
it's full. First of all, every building is great when
it's full. I've never been in a full building and
been like, this building sucks. They're all good when they're full.
The point is to fill them. And it seems like
there's you know, finally some some positive momentum and alignment

(46:50):
to use one of our favorite twenty twenty five boards
from the top down, that it's time. It's time to
get going on this thing. Like they've let it kind
of they've let it kind of languish enough. Whether it
was you know, not getting the practice facility in time
for Tubby, like he was promised the stuff with Richard. Yeah,
and obviously with Ben we've talked about that a lot.
A terrible time to come in and be a first

(47:11):
time head coach and have all this stuff change, and
he wasn't the most dynamic fundraiser. We've talked about that,
and that hurt him in the end. But now it
seems like everything's kind of been level set here and
let's move this thing forward.

Speaker 4 (47:24):
Now.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
I just realized my math has been off. I've been
thinking one point fifteen percent is obviously three million, but
I've been thinking I bet they come in around seventeen
In my mind, I've been thinking seventeen or eighteen percent.
They'd put him at three and a half million.

Speaker 4 (47:39):
All right, we'll take it.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
Seems that seems reasonable, right, seventeen percent.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
It all depends upon what those final three programs get,
because I I will refuse to accept anything less than
seventy percent for the Gopher football program.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
It won't be lessening it.

Speaker 4 (47:55):
Well, listen, I bet it's seventy five.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
I bet it's seventy five. And then if you do
seventeen eighteen for basketball.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
Yeah, and again, that's still millions of dollars to disperse
between those final three programs, which can give them every
little bit counts, every little bit does. So again, we'll
see what the judge rules here in a few weeks.
Then we'll see what because this is none of these
revenue sharing payments for for folks money. When do when
do kids actually start to get paid by the university?

(48:25):
I believe is July first at the earliest, as we
said here in time, So you're not gonna know yet
for another handful of months. Who is getting paid, what,
YadA YadA, how what the split is and then we
go from there.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
But those but those athletes are signing mus like they.

Speaker 4 (48:42):
Know the understanding memorandum.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
Like I think Corey Perrich and Darius Taylor have signed
us this is what you're gonna get when it goes in.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
So they have had those conversations, great understandings, they have greats.

Speaker 4 (48:56):
They all understand everything.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
Yeah, in our final couple of minut here before we
head out Burnsey, you've been locked in at spring football.

Speaker 4 (49:04):
You're very excited.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
You got the dates on the calendar, You've been out
to practice, You've talked to PJ.

Speaker 4 (49:09):
I don't know who else you've talked to.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
What have the headlines been from spring football that we
need to address or cover?

Speaker 2 (49:15):
Yeah, I'm so blessed in highly favored to be able
to talk to the head coach for the first time
in seventy five days of Pro day, be able to
ask him about things like Corey Heatherman leaving Danny Collins.
I'm so negative.

Speaker 4 (49:26):
Yeah, you're just so bitter.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
It's an interesting football team, man, Yeah, Like they are
very it's very new. And that's where again no brozmurn,
no Daniel Jackson, no Arianta Ristrie, a brand new offensive line. Defensively,
what does Danny Collins do with this thing? Because you're
very top heavy on the defensive line with Chipskuy, Anthony Smith,

(49:49):
Devin Eastern, Jail, Logan Redding. Like, there's just a lot
of new faces and new bodies, which is the day
and age of college football. And that's where I also think,
again I've only seen one practice so far. Are but
that's where I think I get the sense of looking
at like the latter half of the roster, the back
half of the roster, there were guys going harder than

(50:09):
I've seen on the back half of the roster because
the one oh five is looming.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
Sure and point remind people. Remind people what the one
oh five is.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Teams have to be football Teams have to be at
or underneath one hundred and five bodies on their roster
by the time they start fall camp and considering that Minnesota,
like any other Big ten institution, is going to be
bringing in say ten to fifteen high school kids in
the summer who have already signed. But the ole n roll,

(50:41):
you're already at like one fifteen right now, which means
there's going to be another fifteen guys probably that hit
the portal here after springball. So if you want to
have a chance to get some of that revenue share
of money, get some of that dicky town athletes money.
Welcome to the day and age of you need to
perform or else you might be on the proverbial cutting block.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
It's interesting. I've talked to UH several Division two coaches
in town from NSI in the state from n s
I see they think their product is going to get
even better because they think that trickle down from kids
that were you know, Division one, are at that one
oh five c are gonna gonna look obviously look for
a place to play, and so they're anticipating getting some

(51:23):
pretty good players come into their programs.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Well that's where I feel for it. It's never been
tougher to be a high school recruit, like if you
are like a and again if you're going Division one
at any level, you're in the top one percent, Like
not all of us can be justin guard. I understand
that being an a lead Big ten level athlete, but
because so many some of us are built, you often

(51:45):
tell me that. You often tell me that not.

Speaker 4 (51:48):
Good enough to make chips Class of two thousand and.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
One Mount Rushmore.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
But yeah, you're not bitter about that. This is the
first time I've heard of it.

Speaker 4 (51:57):
Yeah, you're right, it's amazing. It's too bad.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
Like if you're a Missouri Valley coach, or you're a
Mac coach or your Northern Son or the Mayak, you're
not taking anywhere close to as many high school kids
as you've taken five years ago, ten years ago, because
the portal is going to give it to you from
the upper levels down of kids that sign a Big
ten and then go down to the Northern Son, go
down to the Missouri Valley. The kids who didn't work

(52:23):
out with the Missouri Valley can go down to the
Northern Sun, Northern Son to the Mayac. Like I feel
for high school kids because it feels like to me,
like thirty percent less scholarships go out better than what
it used to be. But that's just the portal day.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
It's particularly those kids that coaches might have previously said,
you know what, we'll bring them in, we'll develop them,
give them a couple of years. Those days are over right,
Like you can't look at it that way anymore, unfortunately.
I mean those kids that are between on the on
the edge, you know, just not quite there yet and
maybe in a couple of years. I think coaches nowaday,

(52:58):
I'll just go find somebody to portal where.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
It's like, if you're a high school kin, you sign,
you get like two years, so you get to be
like red shirt sophomore, and then it's are you playing,
are you close to playing? What does it look like?
What doesn't it look like? Because I mean, if you
haven't played by that time too, at that stage of
your career, again, you were probably the best high school
kid in your conference, you want to go play somewhere.
And that's where I think you're going to see a

(53:23):
lot of I guess mutual decisions with stuff like that
coming up. But that's even with this Gopher team. There's
just so many new faces, new names, but it's it's
very noticeable. I Mean, there was a point in Tuesday's
practice where Fleck had to stop it and be like, guys,
we're going to thud, not anything more. And if you
continue to do something like this, I am going to

(53:43):
throw you out of practice. Now, you always want to
have to turn it back, the dial it up. I
think any football coach would tell you that. But I
think it's been noticeably more competitive because I think everybody
knows if I want to be the seventh corner or
the sixth the corner, I got to show my worth
here in springball. There's one more portal window after spring ball,

(54:06):
right in April for football fifteenth. I think, yeah, so
that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
So Burns, you really cut that one hundred and five
when they finish the ind A school year. So you're
not going to bring kids back in and cut them at
the RB.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
No, I can't see them going to the sum I
think you're going to see because they know how many
freshmen they have coming in this summer, so you have
a general idea of what the number is you got
to cut down to. And that's not even factoring in,
by the way, like they have some holes they need
to fill too. I think like if they add another
three portal guys, that's another three guys on the roster
right now. Now, I will say, notice I said one

(54:41):
hundred and five bodies, not one hundred and five scholarships.
And that's where Yeah, I think the eighty five scholarship
thing is just going to go away, especially in the
day and age of nil. But I mean there's going
to be tough conversations for every single program across the
country at the power four level that you're going to
see a giant influx like as I think as many

(55:02):
players that entered the portal in winter are going to
hit it in the spring, and the spring guys I
don't know are going to be thrilled about that. But
Chip often says the truth cannot be controversial.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
Lastly, Burnsy a big recruiting victory. Speaking of high school recruiting,
A big recruiting victory for the Gophers on Wednesday night.

Speaker 4 (55:21):
What should we know?

Speaker 2 (55:22):
Yeah, they got the number one kid in the state
of Wisconsin, a kid by the name of Gavin Meyer
from Janesville. I think guards he would tell you that's
just west of the Dells.

Speaker 4 (55:30):
I spent a week.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
Speaking of tennis, I spent a week in Janesville, Wisconsin
one year the Western Open when I was fourteen years old. Yeah,
I think you watch in the quarterfinals. Let me pull
out my earbook here, I'll show you.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
Well. You said in the pre production meeting you lost
six to one and six' two to some guy who
went off To yeah, great, nope, right, yeah there was a.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
Kid the kid that won the tournament actually went to
play For. PURDUE i do remember. That, yeah that's crazy
what you said level.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
Athlete i'm big ten level. Athlete and again you couldn't
get the starter to talk about something like.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
THIS i can't Believe chip wasn't there In janesville that
day in nineteen ninety.

Speaker 4 (56:05):
Six it's weird what you.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
REMEMBER i watched the the nineteen ninety Six Atlanta olympics
from That janesville.

Speaker 4 (56:10):
HOTEL i was there a long.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
Time you don't need to spend a week In janesville
amongst The.

Speaker 4 (56:17):
Indiana i've also spent a week. There i've been to some.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
Places so WHEN i go To springfield for THE, wbit
nothing really phases me or to Lead. Ohio but, anyway
tell us about This janesville.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
Kid so what was your Favorite south Of madison moment In?
Janesville was it that? Tournament?

Speaker 1 (56:32):
Yeah, Probably, yeah, yeah that's probably about. IT i can't
remember anything else off the top of my, head.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
So they already. HAVE i think the twenty twenty four
number one kid in the state Of, Wisconsin Nathan, roy
who's competing at left tackle for them this, year played
some in the bowl game and now you're able to
go In and that's Where wisconsin is an interesting place right.
Now speaking of inflection, POINTS i mean that they're out well. Too,
YEAH i feel like we could spend fifteen minutes on
a program that has a five and a half win

(56:59):
to which if they hit the under on. THAT i
don't know That Luke fickle is going to be employed
there in nine, months but that is a brutal. Schedule
three of the top four kids in the state Of
wisconsin are committed to other programs not Named wisconsin now
and that's Where Gavin meyer picked up an offer from
The badgers last, month visited there a couple of times this,

(57:19):
month and then as he spent a couple of days
In Nikki town this past, week decided that he wants
to come Join Nathan. Roy SO i understand That wisconsin
football isn't what it, was but we HAVE i, mean
you guys know better THAN i. Do when was the
last time you could say A gopher football coach went
into the state Of wisconsin and two of the last

(57:40):
three years got the number one.

Speaker 4 (57:42):
GUY i, mean is what ever?

Speaker 3 (57:44):
HAPPENED i would say, never, probably but, yeah you're right.
There internally with their fan base in, there they're probably, Thinking, okay,
program where's this? Going like where's this? Going like always
when you have those, programs it's just probably not the
right way to or maybe too, simplistic but sometimes you

(58:07):
just look at a program or a team or an,
organization you're, Like, okay where is this? Going what's it leading?
To you? Know and if you just ask yourself that simple,
question it's, Like, okay you need to ask some hard questions,
here because like where's this trending? TO i don't see
where this is, going you, know, right and it can turn,
around you, know programs can turn. Around you never. Know

(58:28):
But i'm guessing there's a lot of self reflection going
on in that market right now with what's, happening.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
And that that schedule is. BRUTAL i will say, again
for The badger fan that finds it's like.

Speaker 4 (58:38):
They have where's your?

Speaker 1 (58:40):
Momentum builder here in twenty twenty, Five, like there's not
unless they're really, good unless they've crushed it in the
portal and the quarterback's, good and then they rattle because
that's happened before. Too we thought one, YEAR i Think
wisconsin opened At lambeau WITH, lsu AND i remember talking
to people, LIKE i don't, KNOW i don't know how
they're gonna win a game in the first month of the.
Season well they wont all of. Them they went undefeated that, Year,
like so that's how you build your. Momentum but it.

(59:00):
Does it's a it's gonna be. Interesting it's gonna be
interesting to watch where that.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Goes but, yeah it's a big recruiting victory FOR. Pj
so it's.

Speaker 4 (59:09):
Where can people read more about?

Speaker 2 (59:10):
That there's a website Called Gopher illustrated dot com where
they could find all about the now top twenty five recruiting.
Class flex got going here early, on which, okay, hey
hey see how it continues to.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
Go does the does the parent Of spare podcast ever
get any mentions on The Gopher illustrated message? BOARD i
don't spend a lot of time. There do we ever
get do we ever get? Promoted here or anything like.
That do you, know does anybody pump up the parent
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Talking gopher. Sports does that make it to the message?
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Speaker 2 (59:42):
Message board is now my message board IS i don't.
KNOW i want to phrase this my version of the salary.
Pools it's made it there the last couple of. Times
people are very. EXCITED i had a couple of people
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Chip. WELL i would say both those guests just had phenomenal.
Stories insight like that's the stuff we're getting on a
just press conference for ten minutes with the, guys like
to get him in here and hear the stories and
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