August 14, 2025 • 31 mins
AG Mayes and AG Nessel are back from a summer break to take us behind the scenes of their relentless legal battle against what they describe as the most unconstitutional administration in American history. They’ve filed over 25 lawsuits against the Trump administration in just six months, working around the clock to protect their states from illegal trespasses against their residents’ rights and devastating federal funding cuts.
The financial stakes couldn't be higher. Through successful litigation, Michigan has preserved $1.6 billion and Arizona $1.2 billion in federal funding for critical programs including healthcare, education, infrastructure, and public safety. These victories come at a crucial time as both states face potential budget shortfalls from the recently passed "big bill for billionaires" that slashes taxes for corporations and the wealthy while cutting essential services.
The AGs walk us through their most significant wins: preventing the dismantling of AmeriCorps, protecting library funding serving millions of cardholders, saving cancer research and treatment programs, and stopping illegal conditions on roads funding. In many cases, the Trump administration simply abandoned its efforts after initial court defeats rather than pursuing appeals – a pattern the AGs attribute partly to staffing challenges at the Department of Justice, where many experienced attorneys have departed.
Perhaps most alarming is the administration's aggressive data collection efforts. Both AGs express deep concern about federal agencies attempting to "hoover up" massive amounts of personal information from Treasury, IRS, Medicaid, and SNAP programs. This intrusive data gathering crosses partisan lines – as Mayes notes, traditionally Republicans have opposed such "Big Brother" surveillance. The question remains: what happens to all this sensitive personal data, and who controls it?
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Attorney General Kris M (00:05):
Welcome back everybody to Pantsuits and
Lawsuits.
Kris Mayes, the AttorneyGeneral of Arizona.
Attorney General Dana Nesse (00:13):
And I'm Dana Nessel, Michigan
Attorney General.
Attorney General Kris Maye (00:16):
Well , it is good to be back with you
.
It's good to be back with ourviewers and listeners and our
regular programming here as thesummer kind of starts to slide
away.
But I think we we wanted to doa whole episode taking stock of
what has happened, what's goingon with the litigation that
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we're involved in to try to saveour country and save our
democracy.
Alina Hauter, Fox 17 (00:53):
We continue to follow the fallout
after the Trump administrationordered a freeze on trillions of
federal dollars on Monday.
The order caused panic andconfusion.
In response, two lawsuits werefiled over this freeze one by
nonprofits, another by 22 stateattorneys general.
Vladimir Duthiers, CBS News (01:06):
A judge in Maryland has ordered
the Trump administration torestore millions in AmeriCorps
funds slashed by Doge cuts.
About $557 million dollars willflow back into critical
services and jobs across atleast 26 states.
Vanessa Croix, KENS5 (01:20):
This morning a federal judge in
Massachusetts has issued anorder that permanently blocks an
effort by the Trumpadministration to cut funding to
the National Institutes ofHealth.
News Center Maine (01:30):
A district court judge in Massachusetts has
stopped the Trumpadministration from making
funding cuts to the NationalInstitutes of Health for the
time being.
The office of Maine's AttorneyGeneral announced today that an
injunction from the judge nowreplaces a temporary restraining
order initially imposed to haltthe cuts.
Tim Williams, CBS News (01:48):
Federal judge rules.
The Trump administrationviolated the law when it
canceled hundreds of researchgrants for the National
Institutes of Health
Attorney General, Kris Mayesand 20 other attorneys general
stopping an executive order fromPresident Trump that aimed at
closing down three federalagencies.
The Rhode Island US DistrictCourt preliminary injunction
blocks the closure of agenciesfunding things like libraries,
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museums, minority businesses.
Seth Wells, WILX 10 (02:12):
This morning, Michigan Attorney
General Dana Nessel has filed alawsuit against the US
Department of Education in aneffort to block proposed cuts to
mental health funding.
Nessel and more than a dozenother state attorneys general
argue that billions of dollarsin funding that was approved by
Congress following the 2022 massshooting at Robb Elementary in
Uvalde, Texas.
Andrew Lorinser, MyUP (02:32):
A federal court has ruled in favor of a
coalition of state attorneysgeneral, including Michigan's
Dana Nessel.
The court granted a motionfiled by Michigan Attorney Dana
Nessel, and a coalition of 23other attorneys general to block
the Trump administration'sattempt to suspend nearly $3
trillion in federal funding.
Attorney General Dana Nes (02:55):
Trump has been in office now just a
little bit over six months, andI don't know about you AG Mayes,
but this has definitely beenthe busiest six months of my
career.
Attorney General Kris Mayes (03:07):
It has made what is already a busy
job with enormousresponsibilities even busier.
I don't know about your team,but we are working basically
seven days a week.
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Sometimes it feels like 24hours a day, but we've been
having to work overtime on thelitigation to try to spare our
states from unmentionable,unbelievable harm coming out of
Washington DC and moreunconstitutional behavior than I
think we've ever seen out ofany executive in the history of
the country.
Attorney General Dana Nessel (03:45):
Oh , perhaps combined All of the
administrations that came beforethe Trump administration,
including Trump 1.0.
And I will say this, of course,because I was around for the
last two years of Trump 1.0.
And, of course, he didn't comeinto office until later.
But, my God, what I wouldn't dofor the first Trump
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administration, which was, bythe way, covid times it wasn't
exactly a walk in the park, butit was nothing compared to what
we're seeing right now, and Ithink that is, of course, by
design.
Attorney General Kris Mayes (04:21):
Can you speak more to that?
So what is that?
Just be the sheer volume andand ferocity of it, sort of
compared, because you all,during that time, it's my
understanding, filed more than100 lawsuits against Trump,
winning more than 80%.
Is it just the volume here atthe front, on the front end of
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of his term that's different?
And or just the sheerunconstitutionality of all of it
.
Attorney General Dana Nessel (04:49):
I mean, I think it's both, and I
think the other part about it isthat before, of course, you had
more congressional pushback onso many different things, but
you also had his ownadministration pushing back.
So what you would see time andtime again is, I think, he would
want to do something that wasclearly illegal, clearly
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unconstitutional, and he gottalked out of it.
Now there's not really apushback internally and, as a
result, you're just seeing moreand more of this really
dangerous conduct.
So I think we're seeing all ofthat and, as a result, obviously
you and I and our manyDemocratic colleagues have been
incredibly busy, but I thinkthis is an important thing to
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note incredibly successful.
I know that we tend to dwell onthe cases that were not
successful and, to be clear,it's not as though any of these
cases have been litigated allthe way through on the merits.
So success or failure tosucceed is really based on these
preliminary injunctions, which,again, that's not the true test
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of the success of a lawsuit.
It's what the final outcome is,but that's sort of how we've
been measuring it in those terms, and, boy, we've had a lot of
wins.
Attorney General Kris Mayes (06:07):
I mean, we really have, if you
look at the preliminaryinjunction or a TRO as a win or
at least a preliminary win,which I think it is which is to
stop the bad thing that Trump isdoing, whether it's ripping
funding away from education ortrying to eliminate birthright
citizenship, or taking fundingaway from health providers and
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healthcare.
We have stopped that.
We have had a few losses thatare disappointing, but we're
stopping a lot of the bad stuff,or at least slowing it down,
and that's really importantbecause it's unconstitutional,
you know.
Attorney General Dana Nesse (06:55):
And it bears noting to say that
many of the cases that we'vebrought the Trump administration
has just completely given up
Attorney General Kris May (07:04):
Right I think that's important.
I think that's an importantpoint, because what is- I don't
know about you, but what I amnoticing and this is really
interesting is we'll get themstopped at the district court
level and then they'll kind ofslink away a little bit.
Sometimes Not all the time.
Sometimes in a couple of casesthey have filed an appeal
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upwards, but I think they'rekind of saying, maybe we don't
want to pursue this, maybe theydon't have the resources to
pursue it on appeal.
Or maybe if you're a 35 or45-year-old lawyer working for
the Department of Justice, youdon't want to make bad faith
claims and put yourself at riskof maybe losing your law license
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down the road.
I mean, you know there is that.
Attorney General Dana Ness (07:54):
Yeah , and the other thing I think
that we're seeing is just somany really talented AUSAs who
work for the Department ofJustice, so many talented
attorneys that have left.
So these are lawyers whoproudly worked for the
Department of Justice.
They don't feel comfortabledoing that anymore because,
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again, they don't want toviolate their oath of office by
lying to a court, by providinginaccurate information that they
know is not honest andforthright and that violates
their oath as an attorney thateach of us have to take as an
attorney
Attorney General Kris May (08:31):
Right
Attorney General Dana Nessel (08:32):
Or even we have to take an oath
not to file frivolous claims.
So there's many things that wedo as a lawyer, but what I've
seen is many of those attorneyshave left.
They've not been able toreplace them with equally
competent certainly not equallyexperienced attorneys and, as a
result, by us filing as manycases as we're filing and again,
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always legitimately so, withviable claims, they just can't
keep up.
So that's another thing.
It's, yes, we have winningarguments, but you know, I don't
think the DOJ even has thestaff necessarily to keep up
with the number of lawsuits,because it's not just us filing
the lawsuits, of course.
You have many differententities that are doing that and
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a lot of talented lawyers thatare fighting back against this
lawless administration.
Attorney General Kris Mayes (09:33):
I heard you guys calculated the
amount of money that you havesaved Michiganders and we have
calculated the amount of moneythat we have saved Arizonans as
a result of these lawsuits.
Attorney General Dana Nessel (09:41):
So a conservative estimate for the
state of Michigan is so ofthese lawsuits is so far, these
lawsuits have saved us north of1.6 billion dollars.
Billion with a ", that's moneythat was being wrongfully,
illegally withheld from thestate of Michigan by the federal
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government.
We filed lawsuit, we got eithera TRO or a preliminary
injunction, and a court orderedthe federal government to
release the money to us, andthat money now is in our state
coffers or to other entitieslike independent school
districts or local healthdepartments.
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They have the money now thatthey were legally entitled to,
instead of it being withheldwrongly by the federal
government.
That's a lot of money.
Attorney General Kris Maye (10:32):
Yeah , so you're a little bit north
of Arizona.
We calculated conservatively, Ithink, $1.2 billion saved for
Arizonans, for our universities,for health programs, for
libraries, for our schools.
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I think that's a perfectlawsuit to highlight right now.
My daughter's about to go backto school next week and our
schools were about to be deniedby the Trump administration, if
it weren't for our lawsuit, $132million for after-school
programs and teacher supportprograms.
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Even in Arizona, Dana, theywere going to defund school
safety officers, police officersAgain, another example of
Donald Trump defunding thepolice, which is insane and they
were going to defund ourhomeland security and
cybersecurity programs here inArizona, and we stopped that.
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Why it's more important thanever is our calculus is because
of the Big Beautiful Bill, whichI can't believe we have to call
it that because it's ridiculous, and so they're just calling it
the budget as is normally done.
Attorney General Kris May (11:54):
Let's call it the "ig bill for
billionaires.
Attorney General Dana Ness (11:56):
Yeah , that's what we really should
call it, but the projections arethat for the upcoming fiscal
year, because of that bill, thestate of Michigan is to lose
$1.1 billion.
And why?
Well, it's a combination ofthings.
It's some of the funding thatwe're going to have to make up
for in things like SNAP benefitsand Medicaid, but in addition
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to that, it's the loss inrevenue, because now, of course,
you know, billionaires are notgoing to be paying taxes at the
same rate.
Corporations will be payingless in taxes, not regular
people, not you, me and all theother regular folks out there
but for really rich people andfor big corporations they will
be paying less.
And so how do we make up forthat loss in $1.1 billion?
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I don't know, but the goodthing is, state of Michigan, now
at least there's this extra$1.6 billion that we didn't lose
, that we otherwise would have.
Attorney General Kris Maye (12:57):
Yeah , I think that's a really
important point the compoundingeffect of what we would have
lost if we hadn't filed theselawsuits your 30 lawsuits, my,
or your 29 lawsuits, my 25lawsuits the compounding effect
of that loss plus the "ig billfor billionaires which slashes
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Medicaid and SNAP benefits andis going to blow a hole in our
budgets.
I mean that is going to happen.
We did want to talk about someof our big wins.
We have had some huge wins thatadd up to that 1.2 billion or
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1.8 billion for you guys, and Idon't know where you want to
start, because there's been alot of them.
Attorney General Dana Ness (13:50):
Yeah , well, I think just running
through them, and these are justthe ones.
Obviously there are morelawsuits than this, but if you
just want to look at it, from afinancial standpoint, I mean my
gosh, the OMB lawsuit the.
Office of Management and Budget.
You know where, all of a sudden, you know there was an
immediate pause, withoutexplanation, for federal funding
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for all of our most importantstate programs.
Attorney General Kris Mayes (14:17):
It was insane.
I mean I know for you guys aswell, but for Arizona we were
talking about SNAP, Head Start,Section 8 housing LIHEAP for
people to be able to keep theirair conditioning on in the
summertime.
Rural health clinics.
Our access portal went down,that's our Medicaid program,
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went down for a day and thenthey were going to I know I've
told you this before they weregoing to defund my efforts, our
efforts in Arizona to combat theMexican drug cartels and the
fentanyl crisis.
That was Donald Trump defundingthe police
Attorney General Dana Ness (14:52):
Yeah
Attorney General Kris Mayes (14:53):
And we got that to stop
Attorney General Dana Nesse (14:55):
Yep .
42% of our of our budget camefrom that federal funding.
Can you imagine losing 42% ofyour budget literally overnight?
Attorney General Kris Maye (15:04):
It's nuts.
It's insane.
Attorney General Da (15:07):
Fortunately we were able to get all those
programs restarted and some ofthem were restarted almost
immediately, others it took alittle bit of time, but we got
it done.
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So that was a significant winfor us, no question about it.
Attorney General Kris Maye (15:32):
That was a big one.
Another big one I think was theNIH.
Here in Arizona we werelooking at $170 million for the
U of A, $65 million for ASU, $14million for NAU, this would
have crippled Alzheimer'sfunding research in Arizona.
We do a lot of Alzheimer'sresearch in Arizona for a lot of
reasons.
Attorney General Dana Ness (15:48):
Yeah , well, in Michigan it was $225
million, and remember that was amemo that came out on a Friday
night, we filed the lawsuit on aMonday morning and we got a TRO
later that day, so that none ofthe money actually ended up
being lost, thankfully.
But for us, I mean, that's asignificant amount of people,
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not just, not just cancerresearch, cancer treatment these
are people in experimentalprograms, that without those
programs they would literallydie, and the Trump
administration thought nothingof the significant harm.
Fortunately, you and I bothfiled lawsuits right away and we
didn't see that harm occur.
Attorney General Kris Mayes (16:31):
But again, Dana, going back to the
fact that some of theseRepublican all the Republican
states are not participating inthis, I remember Katie Britt,
the senator from, I think,Alabama, complaining about how
her University of Alabama wasgoing to be hammered by this,
and I remember thinking well,hello, Katie, you need to talk
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to your attorney general overthere, who refused to join our
lawsuit.
Yeah, I just couldn't imagineany Democratic president causing
this kind of harm to our stateswithout us standing up to him
or her.
News Center Maine (17:07):
I agree
Attorney General Dana Ness (17:07):
With the Republicans, though it's
just fall in line.
The end.
Another case that was reallyimpactful, of course, was our
case involving public healthgrants, and I know both of our
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states were significantlyimpacted, but we were able to
get injunctive relief andfinally the money got released.
And for Michigan that was$379.3 million for programs
affecting mental health foryouth, substance abuse
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treatment, control of infectiousdiseases, direct care for
patients list goes on and on.
Attorney General Kris Mayes (17:54):
We were going to lose out on $239
million for many of the samekinds of programs, including our
tribal partners.
So huge impacts.
On that one, Thank God weprevailed.
Attorney General Dana Nesse (18:07):
And we had, of course, our seven
agencies lawsuit, which sounds alittle confusing, but one of
the worst impacts would havebeen to our libraries and all
kinds of libraries, by the wayright so libraries that are in
our schools, your local library,state libraries, you name it.
We were able to get injunctiverelief and in Michigan we saved
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what was 75% of all funding forschool libraries and public
libraries and all the rest,which was about $5 million.
Attorney General Kris Maye (18:41):
Yeah , you know.
I mean a very similar situationin Arizona, and I think anybody
who lives in rural Arizonaknows how important our
libraries are, and here we had$18 million in this kind of
funding that we would have lostfor a number of different
programs, and we gathered thisstatistic.
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Arizona has 3 million librarycardholders 3 million who, in
2023 alone, visited the library14 million times.
So libraries do still matter.
They matter.
Attorney General Dana Ness (19:14):
Yeah , they sure do.
There was the ESSER fundslawsuit and I know this is title
one money, meaning it's moneythat goes to our school
districts, and this was moneyalready spent by our school
districts and in Michigan thatwas $25 million that we were
able to recover of money thatwas again already spent to
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improve things like HVAC systems, air conditioning, heating, all
types of you know filtrationsystems.
That was again these schools.
They applied for the money.
They spent time, money, effort,resources to apply for this
money.
They spent the money.
The money was due to bereimbursed to them and then the
federal government was like"yoink, just kidding, you're not
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getting reimbursed after all.
It's like a Scooby-Doo episodefor some reason.
But so that was $25 million forMichigan.
Attorney General Kris Maye (20:04):
Yeah , a very similar situation here
in Arizona and that would havehit our rural areas very, very
hard, so that was a huge one.
Attorney General Dana (20:13):
Obviously , every state is different, but
there was a Title VI educationfunds that, in Michigan, would
have resulted I mean, there'snearly $1.3 billion in school
funding that gets awardedthrough that program but we were
able and it involves supportfor students in foster care and
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low-income households andteacher training and all the
rest and we were set to losethat money.
And then, uh, after we filedthis lawsuit, the Trump
administration just decided todrop the whole thing.
Attorney General Kris Maye (20:47):
Yeah , that's a huge win.
We were not part of that oneand that was one of the few
lawsuits I think that we weren'tpart of, but, for standing
reasons I think.
Another one that was a huge winfor all of us was our ability
to stop the dismantling ofAmeriCorps, and that preliminary
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injunction was granted on June5th and AmeriCorps had invested
more than $23, well, almost $24million in Arizona, had engaged
more than 4,800 members andArizona seniors in their work
all throughout our state.
They're at our universitiesdoing incredible work for our
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state.
Attorney General Dan (21:32):
Absolutely There was $15 million in
AmeriCorps funding in Michiganand it was really nice because
just on Saturday actually, I wasat an event and I ran into a
young man who had just graduatedfrom college and was already
set up with an AmeriCorps joband he thought he lost his job
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and then he said to me I justfound out I got my job I'm going
back to work thanks to yourlawsuit so it was nice because
you don't always get to hearthose stories you
Attorney General Kris Mayes (22:23):
I have a tip for you on those
negative comments.
Don't read the comments onsocial media.
Attorney General Dana Nessel (22:27):
No , I know you keep saying that
and I keep trying.
Attorney General Kris Maye (22:30):
Yeah , I know it's hard.
You know they wanted to.
Trump wanted to dismantle HHS.
We got a preliminary injunctionto stop them on July 1st they
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were going to lay off the entirestaff of LIHEAP.
I mean it's crazy.
This is a program that is usedby so many low-income folks,
working Americans who need helpwith their utility bills and so
many other things that we wereable to stop by stopping the
dismantling of the Department ofHealth and Human Services.
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By the way I saw a special on ayoung man who demonstrated what
it was like to live in Arizonawithout air conditioning, for I
think it was like 90 days orsomething, and I think.
I'm going to stay in Michigan,I think, as it turns out.
But there's a lot of people thatwould freeze to death.
Literally, families that needthat assistance would freeze to
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death in the winter but forhaving that assistance and sadly
the Trump administrationdoesn't care if people freeze to
death.
I mean let's just say how it is.
Attorney General Kris Ma (23:48):
That's insane.
It's just, it's absolutelycrazy.
Attorney General Dana (24:06):
Obviously you know you talk a lot, and so
do I, about the impact tothings like the Department of
Transportation or to FEMA rightfor emergency financial and the
cases that we've had where theTrump administration will just
all of a sudden add conditionsthat never existed before and
they'll say hey, road worker, Iknow you're there to help with
infrastructure.
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You're literally fillingpotholes so that people don't
get into car accidents, butinstead we're going to make you
do immigration enforcement.
And if you don't?
You're going to lose all themoney.
And for our Department ofTransportation, on a case that
we brought in June that was $520million to the Michigan
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Department of Transportation.
That would have gone to ourstate's roads, highways,
railways, et cetera, and as aresult of our lawsuit that
didn't happen.
And there are so many lawsuitsthat are data privacy related
that we brought.
Attorney General Kris Maye (25:02):
Yeah , I think we should talk a
little bit about that too,because I have to tell you,
living here in Arizona, which wetend to be kind of a
libertarian oriented state, kindof live and let live, stay out
of my business, stay out of mydata, hands off my data and, as
you know, we have been suingpretty much every time the Trump
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administration tries to hooverup people's private data out of
various federal agencies andprograms, and that seems to be
happening an awful lot lately.
You and I we fought DOGE onseveral fronts.
They were trying to hoover updata inside Treasury and now ICE
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and DHS are trying to take dataout of the Medicaid program and
they are trying to take datafrom the SNAP program, basically
food security, and what I wouldremind people and obviously the
belief is that they're tryingto do this so that they can go
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after immigrants.
Right now it sure looks likethey're not going after
criminals so much as justgardeners and people who work in
car washes and people who workon farms and people who are
working on construction.
But when they hoover up thisdata on SNAP, Medicaid, Treasury
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Department, IRS, they'rehoovering up all of the data.
That's everybody.
Attorney General Dana Nesse (26:39):
And I can tell you the American
citizens who think that they're,they're very personal
information which is extensivein order to participate in these
programs.
That's why it has such a lowfraud rate, because there's so
much information that you haveto provide about yourself.
You know the medical bills youhave to provide.
You know getting out themedical bills you have to
provide.
You have your landlord, youknow leases and contracts.
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I mean just the list goes on andon, and we know how hard our
states work to protect thisinformation.
It goes to the federalgovernment.
Now I don't know if it's goinginto the hands of some
20-year-old who hasn't beenproperly vetted and what the
completely unsecure serversystems it will go to, because
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we have strict rules about thatin Michigan.
I know you do too in Arizona.
With the federal governmentit's just a free-for-all.
So you think that I'mparticipating in this program
and my information is only goingto go to the administrators in
our states of those programs,but now they're saying no, no,
no.
You have to share thisinformation, not just with ICE,
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but with everybody.
Attorney General Kris Mayes (27:48):
No, I mean.
And then I really think we haveto think, to consider and I
know people in Arizona arethinking about this what are
they doing with it?
You know this is the sheervolume of this data and the
amount of the data that they areclearly going after.
What is happening to it?
How is it being vacuumed up?
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You know there's beenspeculation about whether
companies like Palantir orothers might be being used to
compile the data.
There's other programs I'msure that could be used to
compile this data.
And now, with AI exploding, Ijust think there's real concerns
that are legitimate about whatkind of a big brother database
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they are putting together.
And you know, Dana, as you know, I used to be a Republican and
I can tell you that at one timethe Republican Party didn't like
Big Brother-like programs anddidn't like the idea, this kind
of intrusion into our privatelives and our data.
And I don't think Republicansdo.
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I know they don't.
I know independents don't likeit.
I know Republicans don't likeit.
I know Democrats don't like it.
So, this is just something Ithink we need to keep an eagle
eye on.
Attorney General Dana Nessel (29:07):
Oh , absolutely.
And the more you see theseprograms where they're going to
use your data to decide what thepricing is going to be for a
product that would be sold toyou based on knowing all of your
information.
What do I think you couldafford to buy this product for?
That's what I'm going to sellit to you for, and so if you go
online to try to purchase it,you know the price will be
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different depending on whatinformation we know about you.
And, again, I certainly don'ttrust the federal government is
going to be a good, you know,safeguard for this information,
because we already know how theDOGE is operated and you know
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it's really scary.
It's really scary to think ofevery single aspect of your life
compiled together and used forwhat purposes, we don't know.
Will it be used by insurancecompanies to decide whether or
not they're going to insure you,whether they're going to insure
your home or your vehicle, orthat you can get medical
insurance?
I don't know, and the thing isnobody knows.
Attorney General Kris Ma (30:09):
Nobody knows.
I think that that is going to beone of the big storylines as we
go on through this.
You know, nightmare situationthat we find ourselves in right
now is what are they doing withthe data and what can we do to
unwind it when this is all overwith?
But, Dana, I think we arerunning out of time, but this
has been great to recap, afterthe summer, all the progress
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that we've been making and theother state AGs, Democratic AGs
have been making on behalf ofour states to prevent the harm
and to uphold the rule of lawand our constitution.
Attorney General Dana Ness (30:45):
Yeah , absolutely, and we're going to
continue to file these lawsuitsas long as we're in these
offices, because we do recognizethat it's the very best way to
ensure that our constituents areprotected and that we are doing
our job, which is to uphold therule of law.
Attorney General Kris Mayes (31:08):
So that's all we have time for on
this installment of Pantsuitsand Lawsuits.
Thanks for tuning in.
Again, we are so glad to beback part of the regularly
scheduled timeframe for ourprogramming.
Looking forward to the fall Idon't know about you, Dana, but
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it's going to be interesting, asever.
Attorney General Dana Nesse (31:35):
Yes , it certainly promises to be,
and we're going to keep up thegood fight.
Attorney General Kris Mayes (31:40):
For sure.
So don't forget to subscribe.
Also, catch us on all yoursocial media feeds, including
YouTube, Instagram, all of them,I think and until next time,
keep fighting the good fight.
One pantsuit, one lawsuit at atime.
Attorney General Dana Ness (32:01):
Good to see you, Kris.
Attorney General Kris Mayes (32:02):
You too.
Welcome back everybody to Pantsuits and
Lawsuits.
Kris Mayes, the AttorneyGeneral of Arizona.
Attorney General Dana Nesse (00:13):
And I'm Dana Nessel, Michigan
Attorney General.
Attorney General Kris Maye (00:16):
Well , it is good to be back with you
.
It's good to be back with ourviewers and listeners and our
regular programming here as thesummer kind of starts to slide
away.
But I think we we wanted to doa whole episode taking stock of
what has happened, what's goingon with the litigation that
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we're involved in to try to saveour country and save our
democracy.
Alina Hauter, Fox 17 (00:53):
We continue to follow the fallout
after the Trump administrationordered a freeze on trillions of
federal dollars on Monday.
The order caused panic andconfusion.
In response, two lawsuits werefiled over this freeze one by
nonprofits, another by 22 stateattorneys general.
Vladimir Duthiers, CBS News (01:06):
A judge in Maryland has ordered
the Trump administration torestore millions in AmeriCorps
funds slashed by Doge cuts.
About $557 million dollars willflow back into critical
services and jobs across atleast 26 states.
Vanessa Croix, KENS5 (01:20):
This morning a federal judge in
Massachusetts has issued anorder that permanently blocks an
effort by the Trumpadministration to cut funding to
the National Institutes ofHealth.
News Center Maine (01:30):
A district court judge in Massachusetts has
stopped the Trumpadministration from making
funding cuts to the NationalInstitutes of Health for the
time being.
The office of Maine's AttorneyGeneral announced today that an
injunction from the judge nowreplaces a temporary restraining
order initially imposed to haltthe cuts.
Tim Williams, CBS News (01:48):
Federal judge rules.
The Trump administrationviolated the law when it
canceled hundreds of researchgrants for the National
Institutes of Health
Attorney General, Kris Mayesand 20 other attorneys general
stopping an executive order fromPresident Trump that aimed at
closing down three federalagencies.
The Rhode Island US DistrictCourt preliminary injunction
blocks the closure of agenciesfunding things like libraries,
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museums, minority businesses.
Seth Wells, WILX 10 (02:12):
This morning, Michigan Attorney
General Dana Nessel has filed alawsuit against the US
Department of Education in aneffort to block proposed cuts to
mental health funding.
Nessel and more than a dozenother state attorneys general
argue that billions of dollarsin funding that was approved by
Congress following the 2022 massshooting at Robb Elementary in
Uvalde, Texas.
Andrew Lorinser, MyUP (02:32):
A federal court has ruled in favor of a
coalition of state attorneysgeneral, including Michigan's
Dana Nessel.
The court granted a motionfiled by Michigan Attorney Dana
Nessel, and a coalition of 23other attorneys general to block
the Trump administration'sattempt to suspend nearly $3
trillion in federal funding.
Attorney General Dana Nes (02:55):
Trump has been in office now just a
little bit over six months, andI don't know about you AG Mayes,
but this has definitely beenthe busiest six months of my
career.
Attorney General Kris Mayes (03:07):
It has made what is already a busy
job with enormousresponsibilities even busier.
I don't know about your team,but we are working basically
seven days a week.
(03:27):
Sometimes it feels like 24hours a day, but we've been
having to work overtime on thelitigation to try to spare our
states from unmentionable,unbelievable harm coming out of
Washington DC and moreunconstitutional behavior than I
think we've ever seen out ofany executive in the history of
the country.
Attorney General Dana Nessel (03:45):
Oh , perhaps combined All of the
administrations that came beforethe Trump administration,
including Trump 1.0.
And I will say this, of course,because I was around for the
last two years of Trump 1.0.
And, of course, he didn't comeinto office until later.
But, my God, what I wouldn't dofor the first Trump
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administration, which was, bythe way, covid times it wasn't
exactly a walk in the park, butit was nothing compared to what
we're seeing right now, and Ithink that is, of course, by
design.
Attorney General Kris Mayes (04:21):
Can you speak more to that?
So what is that?
Just be the sheer volume andand ferocity of it, sort of
compared, because you all,during that time, it's my
understanding, filed more than100 lawsuits against Trump,
winning more than 80%.
Is it just the volume here atthe front, on the front end of
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of his term that's different?
And or just the sheerunconstitutionality of all of it
.
Attorney General Dana Nessel (04:49):
I mean, I think it's both, and I
think the other part about it isthat before, of course, you had
more congressional pushback onso many different things, but
you also had his ownadministration pushing back.
So what you would see time andtime again is, I think, he would
want to do something that wasclearly illegal, clearly
(05:09):
unconstitutional, and he gottalked out of it.
Now there's not really apushback internally and, as a
result, you're just seeing moreand more of this really
dangerous conduct.
So I think we're seeing all ofthat and, as a result, obviously
you and I and our manyDemocratic colleagues have been
incredibly busy, but I thinkthis is an important thing to
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note incredibly successful.
I know that we tend to dwell onthe cases that were not
successful and, to be clear,it's not as though any of these
cases have been litigated allthe way through on the merits.
So success or failure tosucceed is really based on these
preliminary injunctions, which,again, that's not the true test
(05:56):
of the success of a lawsuit.
It's what the final outcome is,but that's sort of how we've
been measuring it in those terms, and, boy, we've had a lot of
wins.
Attorney General Kris Mayes (06:07):
I mean, we really have, if you
look at the preliminaryinjunction or a TRO as a win or
at least a preliminary win,which I think it is which is to
stop the bad thing that Trump isdoing, whether it's ripping
funding away from education ortrying to eliminate birthright
citizenship, or taking fundingaway from health providers and
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healthcare.
We have stopped that.
We have had a few losses thatare disappointing, but we're
stopping a lot of the bad stuff,or at least slowing it down,
and that's really importantbecause it's unconstitutional,
you know.
Attorney General Dana Nesse (06:55):
And it bears noting to say that
many of the cases that we'vebrought the Trump administration
has just completely given up
Attorney General Kris May (07:04):
Right I think that's important.
I think that's an importantpoint, because what is- I don't
know about you, but what I amnoticing and this is really
interesting is we'll get themstopped at the district court
level and then they'll kind ofslink away a little bit.
Sometimes Not all the time.
Sometimes in a couple of casesthey have filed an appeal
(07:28):
upwards, but I think they'rekind of saying, maybe we don't
want to pursue this, maybe theydon't have the resources to
pursue it on appeal.
Or maybe if you're a 35 or45-year-old lawyer working for
the Department of Justice, youdon't want to make bad faith
claims and put yourself at riskof maybe losing your law license
(07:51):
down the road.
I mean, you know there is that.
Attorney General Dana Ness (07:54):
Yeah , and the other thing I think
that we're seeing is just somany really talented AUSAs who
work for the Department ofJustice, so many talented
attorneys that have left.
So these are lawyers whoproudly worked for the
Department of Justice.
They don't feel comfortabledoing that anymore because,
(08:16):
again, they don't want toviolate their oath of office by
lying to a court, by providinginaccurate information that they
know is not honest andforthright and that violates
their oath as an attorney thateach of us have to take as an
attorney
Attorney General Kris May (08:31):
Right
Attorney General Dana Nessel (08:32):
Or even we have to take an oath
not to file frivolous claims.
So there's many things that wedo as a lawyer, but what I've
seen is many of those attorneyshave left.
They've not been able toreplace them with equally
competent certainly not equallyexperienced attorneys and, as a
result, by us filing as manycases as we're filing and again,
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always legitimately so, withviable claims, they just can't
keep up.
So that's another thing.
It's, yes, we have winningarguments, but you know, I don't
think the DOJ even has thestaff necessarily to keep up
with the number of lawsuits,because it's not just us filing
the lawsuits, of course.
You have many differententities that are doing that and
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a lot of talented lawyers thatare fighting back against this
lawless administration.
Attorney General Kris Mayes (09:33):
I heard you guys calculated the
amount of money that you havesaved Michiganders and we have
calculated the amount of moneythat we have saved Arizonans as
a result of these lawsuits.
Attorney General Dana Nessel (09:41):
So a conservative estimate for the
state of Michigan is so ofthese lawsuits is so far, these
lawsuits have saved us north of1.6 billion dollars.
Billion with a ", that's moneythat was being wrongfully,
illegally withheld from thestate of Michigan by the federal
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government.
We filed lawsuit, we got eithera TRO or a preliminary
injunction, and a court orderedthe federal government to
release the money to us, andthat money now is in our state
coffers or to other entitieslike independent school
districts or local healthdepartments.
(10:23):
They have the money now thatthey were legally entitled to,
instead of it being withheldwrongly by the federal
government.
That's a lot of money.
Attorney General Kris Maye (10:32):
Yeah , so you're a little bit north
of Arizona.
We calculated conservatively, Ithink, $1.2 billion saved for
Arizonans, for our universities,for health programs, for
libraries, for our schools.
(10:53):
I think that's a perfectlawsuit to highlight right now.
My daughter's about to go backto school next week and our
schools were about to be deniedby the Trump administration, if
it weren't for our lawsuit, $132million for after-school
programs and teacher supportprograms.
(11:13):
Even in Arizona, Dana, theywere going to defund school
safety officers, police officersAgain, another example of
Donald Trump defunding thepolice, which is insane and they
were going to defund ourhomeland security and
cybersecurity programs here inArizona, and we stopped that.
(11:46):
Why it's more important thanever is our calculus is because
of the Big Beautiful Bill, whichI can't believe we have to call
it that because it's ridiculous, and so they're just calling it
the budget as is normally done.
Attorney General Kris May (11:54):
Let's call it the "ig bill for
billionaires.
Attorney General Dana Ness (11:56):
Yeah , that's what we really should
call it, but the projections arethat for the upcoming fiscal
year, because of that bill, thestate of Michigan is to lose
$1.1 billion.
And why?
Well, it's a combination ofthings.
It's some of the funding thatwe're going to have to make up
for in things like SNAP benefitsand Medicaid, but in addition
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to that, it's the loss inrevenue, because now, of course,
you know, billionaires are notgoing to be paying taxes at the
same rate.
Corporations will be payingless in taxes, not regular
people, not you, me and all theother regular folks out there
but for really rich people andfor big corporations they will
be paying less.
And so how do we make up forthat loss in $1.1 billion?
(12:43):
I don't know, but the goodthing is, state of Michigan, now
at least there's this extra$1.6 billion that we didn't lose
, that we otherwise would have.
Attorney General Kris Maye (12:57):
Yeah , I think that's a really
important point the compoundingeffect of what we would have
lost if we hadn't filed theselawsuits your 30 lawsuits, my,
or your 29 lawsuits, my 25lawsuits the compounding effect
of that loss plus the "ig billfor billionaires which slashes
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Medicaid and SNAP benefits andis going to blow a hole in our
budgets.
I mean that is going to happen.
We did want to talk about someof our big wins.
We have had some huge wins thatadd up to that 1.2 billion or
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1.8 billion for you guys, and Idon't know where you want to
start, because there's been alot of them.
Attorney General Dana Ness (13:50):
Yeah , well, I think just running
through them, and these are justthe ones.
Obviously there are morelawsuits than this, but if you
just want to look at it, from afinancial standpoint, I mean my
gosh, the OMB lawsuit the.
Office of Management and Budget.
You know where, all of a sudden, you know there was an
immediate pause, withoutexplanation, for federal funding
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for all of our most importantstate programs.
Attorney General Kris Mayes (14:17):
It was insane.
I mean I know for you guys aswell, but for Arizona we were
talking about SNAP, Head Start,Section 8 housing LIHEAP for
people to be able to keep theirair conditioning on in the
summertime.
Rural health clinics.
Our access portal went down,that's our Medicaid program,
(14:38):
went down for a day and thenthey were going to I know I've
told you this before they weregoing to defund my efforts, our
efforts in Arizona to combat theMexican drug cartels and the
fentanyl crisis.
That was Donald Trump defundingthe police
Attorney General Dana Ness (14:52):
Yeah
Attorney General Kris Mayes (14:53):
And we got that to stop
Attorney General Dana Nesse (14:55):
Yep .
42% of our of our budget camefrom that federal funding.
Can you imagine losing 42% ofyour budget literally overnight?
Attorney General Kris Maye (15:04):
It's nuts.
It's insane.
Attorney General Da (15:07):
Fortunately we were able to get all those
programs restarted and some ofthem were restarted almost
immediately, others it took alittle bit of time, but we got
it done.
(15:29):
So that was a significant winfor us, no question about it.
Attorney General Kris Maye (15:32):
That was a big one.
Another big one I think was theNIH.
Here in Arizona we werelooking at $170 million for the
U of A, $65 million for ASU, $14million for NAU, this would
have crippled Alzheimer'sfunding research in Arizona.
We do a lot of Alzheimer'sresearch in Arizona for a lot of
reasons.
Attorney General Dana Ness (15:48):
Yeah , well, in Michigan it was $225
million, and remember that was amemo that came out on a Friday
night, we filed the lawsuit on aMonday morning and we got a TRO
later that day, so that none ofthe money actually ended up
being lost, thankfully.
But for us, I mean, that's asignificant amount of people,
(16:10):
not just, not just cancerresearch, cancer treatment these
are people in experimentalprograms, that without those
programs they would literallydie, and the Trump
administration thought nothingof the significant harm.
Fortunately, you and I bothfiled lawsuits right away and we
didn't see that harm occur.
Attorney General Kris Mayes (16:31):
But again, Dana, going back to the
fact that some of theseRepublican all the Republican
states are not participating inthis, I remember Katie Britt,
the senator from, I think,Alabama, complaining about how
her University of Alabama wasgoing to be hammered by this,
and I remember thinking well,hello, Katie, you need to talk
(16:53):
to your attorney general overthere, who refused to join our
lawsuit.
Yeah, I just couldn't imagineany Democratic president causing
this kind of harm to our stateswithout us standing up to him
or her.
News Center Maine (17:07):
I agree
Attorney General Dana Ness (17:07):
With the Republicans, though it's
just fall in line.
The end.
Another case that was reallyimpactful, of course, was our
case involving public healthgrants, and I know both of our
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states were significantlyimpacted, but we were able to
get injunctive relief andfinally the money got released.
And for Michigan that was$379.3 million for programs
affecting mental health foryouth, substance abuse
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treatment, control of infectiousdiseases, direct care for
patients list goes on and on.
Attorney General Kris Mayes (17:54):
We were going to lose out on $239
million for many of the samekinds of programs, including our
tribal partners.
So huge impacts.
On that one, Thank God weprevailed.
Attorney General Dana Nesse (18:07):
And we had, of course, our seven
agencies lawsuit, which sounds alittle confusing, but one of
the worst impacts would havebeen to our libraries and all
kinds of libraries, by the wayright so libraries that are in
our schools, your local library,state libraries, you name it.
We were able to get injunctiverelief and in Michigan we saved
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what was 75% of all funding forschool libraries and public
libraries and all the rest,which was about $5 million.
Attorney General Kris Maye (18:41):
Yeah , you know.
I mean a very similar situationin Arizona, and I think anybody
who lives in rural Arizonaknows how important our
libraries are, and here we had$18 million in this kind of
funding that we would have lostfor a number of different
programs, and we gathered thisstatistic.
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Arizona has 3 million librarycardholders 3 million who, in
2023 alone, visited the library14 million times.
So libraries do still matter.
They matter.
Attorney General Dana Ness (19:14):
Yeah , they sure do.
There was the ESSER fundslawsuit and I know this is title
one money, meaning it's moneythat goes to our school
districts, and this was moneyalready spent by our school
districts and in Michigan thatwas $25 million that we were
able to recover of money thatwas again already spent to
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improve things like HVAC systems, air conditioning, heating, all
types of you know filtrationsystems.
That was again these schools.
They applied for the money.
They spent time, money, effort,resources to apply for this
money.
They spent the money.
The money was due to bereimbursed to them and then the
federal government was like"yoink, just kidding, you're not
(19:57):
getting reimbursed after all.
It's like a Scooby-Doo episodefor some reason.
But so that was $25 million forMichigan.
Attorney General Kris Maye (20:04):
Yeah , a very similar situation here
in Arizona and that would havehit our rural areas very, very
hard, so that was a huge one.
Attorney General Dana (20:13):
Obviously , every state is different, but
there was a Title VI educationfunds that, in Michigan, would
have resulted I mean, there'snearly $1.3 billion in school
funding that gets awardedthrough that program but we were
able and it involves supportfor students in foster care and
(20:34):
low-income households andteacher training and all the
rest and we were set to losethat money.
And then, uh, after we filedthis lawsuit, the Trump
administration just decided todrop the whole thing.
Attorney General Kris Maye (20:47):
Yeah , that's a huge win.
We were not part of that oneand that was one of the few
lawsuits I think that we weren'tpart of, but, for standing
reasons I think.
Another one that was a huge winfor all of us was our ability
to stop the dismantling ofAmeriCorps, and that preliminary
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injunction was granted on June5th and AmeriCorps had invested
more than $23, well, almost $24million in Arizona, had engaged
more than 4,800 members andArizona seniors in their work
all throughout our state.
They're at our universitiesdoing incredible work for our
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state.
Attorney General Dan (21:32):
Absolutely There was $15 million in
AmeriCorps funding in Michiganand it was really nice because
just on Saturday actually, I wasat an event and I ran into a
young man who had just graduatedfrom college and was already
set up with an AmeriCorps joband he thought he lost his job
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and then he said to me I justfound out I got my job I'm going
back to work thanks to yourlawsuit so it was nice because
you don't always get to hearthose stories you
Attorney General Kris Mayes (22:23):
I have a tip for you on those
negative comments.
Don't read the comments onsocial media.
Attorney General Dana Nessel (22:27):
No , I know you keep saying that
and I keep trying.
Attorney General Kris Maye (22:30):
Yeah , I know it's hard.
You know they wanted to.
Trump wanted to dismantle HHS.
We got a preliminary injunctionto stop them on July 1st they
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were going to lay off the entirestaff of LIHEAP.
I mean it's crazy.
This is a program that is usedby so many low-income folks,
working Americans who need helpwith their utility bills and so
many other things that we wereable to stop by stopping the
dismantling of the Department ofHealth and Human Services.
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By the way I saw a special on ayoung man who demonstrated what
it was like to live in Arizonawithout air conditioning, for I
think it was like 90 days orsomething, and I think.
I'm going to stay in Michigan,I think, as it turns out.
But there's a lot of people thatwould freeze to death.
Literally, families that needthat assistance would freeze to
(23:37):
death in the winter but forhaving that assistance and sadly
the Trump administrationdoesn't care if people freeze to
death.
I mean let's just say how it is.
Attorney General Kris Ma (23:48):
That's insane.
It's just, it's absolutelycrazy.
Attorney General Dana (24:06):
Obviously you know you talk a lot, and so
do I, about the impact tothings like the Department of
Transportation or to FEMA rightfor emergency financial and the
cases that we've had where theTrump administration will just
all of a sudden add conditionsthat never existed before and
they'll say hey, road worker, Iknow you're there to help with
infrastructure.
(24:27):
You're literally fillingpotholes so that people don't
get into car accidents, butinstead we're going to make you
do immigration enforcement.
And if you don't?
You're going to lose all themoney.
And for our Department ofTransportation, on a case that
we brought in June that was $520million to the Michigan
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Department of Transportation.
That would have gone to ourstate's roads, highways,
railways, et cetera, and as aresult of our lawsuit that
didn't happen.
And there are so many lawsuitsthat are data privacy related
that we brought.
Attorney General Kris Maye (25:02):
Yeah , I think we should talk a
little bit about that too,because I have to tell you,
living here in Arizona, which wetend to be kind of a
libertarian oriented state, kindof live and let live, stay out
of my business, stay out of mydata, hands off my data and, as
you know, we have been suingpretty much every time the Trump
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administration tries to hooverup people's private data out of
various federal agencies andprograms, and that seems to be
happening an awful lot lately.
You and I we fought DOGE onseveral fronts.
They were trying to hoover updata inside Treasury and now ICE
(25:48):
and DHS are trying to take dataout of the Medicaid program and
they are trying to take datafrom the SNAP program, basically
food security, and what I wouldremind people and obviously the
belief is that they're tryingto do this so that they can go
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after immigrants.
Right now it sure looks likethey're not going after
criminals so much as justgardeners and people who work in
car washes and people who workon farms and people who are
working on construction.
But when they hoover up thisdata on SNAP, Medicaid, Treasury
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Department, IRS, they'rehoovering up all of the data.
That's everybody.
Attorney General Dana Nesse (26:39):
And I can tell you the American
citizens who think that they're,they're very personal
information which is extensivein order to participate in these
programs.
That's why it has such a lowfraud rate, because there's so
much information that you haveto provide about yourself.
You know the medical bills youhave to provide.
You know getting out themedical bills you have to
provide.
You have your landlord, youknow leases and contracts.
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I mean just the list goes on andon, and we know how hard our
states work to protect thisinformation.
It goes to the federalgovernment.
Now I don't know if it's goinginto the hands of some
20-year-old who hasn't beenproperly vetted and what the
completely unsecure serversystems it will go to, because
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we have strict rules about thatin Michigan.
I know you do too in Arizona.
With the federal governmentit's just a free-for-all.
So you think that I'mparticipating in this program
and my information is only goingto go to the administrators in
our states of those programs,but now they're saying no, no,
no.
You have to share thisinformation, not just with ICE,
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but with everybody.
Attorney General Kris Mayes (27:48):
No, I mean.
And then I really think we haveto think, to consider and I
know people in Arizona arethinking about this what are
they doing with it?
You know this is the sheervolume of this data and the
amount of the data that they areclearly going after.
What is happening to it?
How is it being vacuumed up?
(28:09):
You know there's beenspeculation about whether
companies like Palantir orothers might be being used to
compile the data.
There's other programs I'msure that could be used to
compile this data.
And now, with AI exploding, Ijust think there's real concerns
that are legitimate about whatkind of a big brother database
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they are putting together.
And you know, Dana, as you know, I used to be a Republican and
I can tell you that at one timethe Republican Party didn't like
Big Brother-like programs anddidn't like the idea, this kind
of intrusion into our privatelives and our data.
And I don't think Republicansdo.
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I know they don't.
I know independents don't likeit.
I know Republicans don't likeit.
I know Democrats don't like it.
So, this is just something Ithink we need to keep an eagle
eye on.
Attorney General Dana Nessel (29:07):
Oh , absolutely.
And the more you see theseprograms where they're going to
use your data to decide what thepricing is going to be for a
product that would be sold toyou based on knowing all of your
information.
What do I think you couldafford to buy this product for?
That's what I'm going to sellit to you for, and so if you go
online to try to purchase it,you know the price will be
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different depending on whatinformation we know about you.
And, again, I certainly don'ttrust the federal government is
going to be a good, you know,safeguard for this information,
because we already know how theDOGE is operated and you know
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it's really scary.
It's really scary to think ofevery single aspect of your life
compiled together and used forwhat purposes, we don't know.
Will it be used by insurancecompanies to decide whether or
not they're going to insure you,whether they're going to insure
your home or your vehicle, orthat you can get medical
insurance?
I don't know, and the thing isnobody knows.
Attorney General Kris Ma (30:09):
Nobody knows.
I think that that is going to beone of the big storylines as we
go on through this.
You know, nightmare situationthat we find ourselves in right
now is what are they doing withthe data and what can we do to
unwind it when this is all overwith?
But, Dana, I think we arerunning out of time, but this
has been great to recap, afterthe summer, all the progress
(30:32):
that we've been making and theother state AGs, Democratic AGs
have been making on behalf ofour states to prevent the harm
and to uphold the rule of lawand our constitution.
Attorney General Dana Ness (30:45):
Yeah , absolutely, and we're going to
continue to file these lawsuitsas long as we're in these
offices, because we do recognizethat it's the very best way to
ensure that our constituents areprotected and that we are doing
our job, which is to uphold therule of law.
Attorney General Kris Mayes (31:08):
So that's all we have time for on
this installment of Pantsuitsand Lawsuits.
Thanks for tuning in.
Again, we are so glad to beback part of the regularly
scheduled timeframe for ourprogramming.
Looking forward to the fall Idon't know about you, Dana, but
(31:31):
it's going to be interesting, asever.
Attorney General Dana Nesse (31:35):
Yes , it certainly promises to be,
and we're going to keep up thegood fight.
Attorney General Kris Mayes (31:40):
For sure.
So don't forget to subscribe.
Also, catch us on all yoursocial media feeds, including
YouTube, Instagram, all of them,I think and until next time,
keep fighting the good fight.
One pantsuit, one lawsuit at atime.
Attorney General Dana Ness (32:01):
Good to see you, Kris.
Attorney General Kris Mayes (32:02):
You too.
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