November 1, 2024 • 40 mins
Could the Menendez brothers’ case hold new revelations that challenge our understanding of justice and privilege? Re-examine the gripping saga that captivated the nation in the early 90s, reignited by a recent Netflix series. We revisit Los Angeles during a time of intense social unrest, where the brutal killing of the Menendez parents emerged amid high-profile tensions like the O.J. Simpson trial and the Rodney King incident. While the brothers claimed years of abuse as their motive, society questioned whether privilege sheltered them from the harshest scrutiny—or even served as a weapon in their defense.
As we peel back the layers of the Menendez brothers' defense, the moral complexities surrounding abuse claims and their lethal outcome surface. In a society that often silenced male abuse victims, Lyle and Eric Menendez might have felt cornered, trapped in a narrative dictated by power and wealth. Do the brothers’ actions reveal a tragic inevitability, or is the justification still too difficult to swallow? We consider what justice might have looked like had the legal system taken a different route with Jose Menendez, a man whose business entanglements initially suggested a mafia hit.
In an unexpected twist, explore a shocking allegation made by a former Menudo member, Roy, who accuses Jose Menendez of heinous acts during the 1980s. The episode doesn't stop there—get ready for a deep dive into friendship dynamics through the lens of real-life Reddit stories, leading to a spirited debate on relationships and boundaries. Join us for a lively debate that even pits host against host, as Bianca and I clash over the Menendez brothers' culpability. From serious allegations to tales of friendship drama, this episode asks you not just to listen, but to engage and share your own thoughts and stories with us.
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Speaker 1 (00:20):
Hey my brothers, no, no no, oh no, jokes, jokes,
jokes.
So it's been going viral, right?
Still, after the whole Netflixseries and stuff like that, they
brought it back up to date,since they're going on trial
again, I believe, right.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
They're looking into whether they should get a new
trial or adjust their sentencing.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
We are talking about.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Oh yeah, I never said it.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
We're talking about the Hernandez brothers.
The Hernandez brothers.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Eric and Lyle.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
So this is an old story Happened in the 90s.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
I think yeah, shit.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
So this was right before I was born, the OJ
Simpson trial.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
That also, yeah, 90s, I think.
So this was right before I wasborn, the oj simpson trial.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
That also.
Yeah, um kind of to be honestwith you at this time.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
California how old were you?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I was already like 18 , 19, 20, no, yeah it was what
92, I think, so I was in collegealready when all this was going
on.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yeah, I was, but I mean, I was, I was young, but it
was, I was in college.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Yeah, um, and yeah, it's 1992.
They went to call, they went toto trial in 93, so all of that
I was in college, um, so at thispoint in time california is
kind of like on fire okay theyhad the rodney king situation.
(01:50):
Do you, are you aware of that?
No, david, okay, so rodney kingwas a black guy and he gets
pulled over.
And I think and I'm gonna justskim and maybe I don't have
everything perfectly right,right, this episode is not about
Rodney King.
I think he was on drugs and thecops like just beat him, okay,
(02:13):
like mercilessly, and somebodyfilmed it from, like, their
apartment, okay, and somehowthat video got out.
Blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Somebody made a TikTok.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah, this is all before all of that, right, yeah,
yeah, yeah.
And so the video got out andthe whole Los Angeles area was
like full of riots, on edge,like it was just crazy.
And so also at this time Ithink this has cleared up since
(02:47):
then.
But Los Angeles particularlywas considered like really
corrupt as far as police go, solike police did whatever they
wanted, right, and so especiallyblack people and poor people
and minorities in general, theykind of just had it with this.
(03:08):
And so the Menendez brotherskind of represented at the time,
the kind of the people that gotaway with everything.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
So there was.
Ok, I see that I see from thesocial side.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
A lot of people kind of had some resentment I mean it
wasn't like because they werein beverly hills, where the fuck
right it's right, right, nextto los angeles so, but yes, so
they were like they were richkids they were rich kids um, but
it's not like you saw murdersall the time right, so they were
in a very safe yeah, it's notlike people were there.
(03:48):
Well, they were stealing rightwhen they were younger but right
but it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
It wasn't killing guys, it wasn't killing well,
and also the way that they werestealing stealing the it was
like the parents are gonna talkto you.
It wasn't like if you and I gotcaught stealing.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Right, that's true, that's true.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
We would have gone to juvenile detention.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
We would have it would have been more had some
consequences.
Right, right, right.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Towards, and so they kind of I guess you could say
Worked their way through.
Well, what?
Speaker 1 (04:24):
They worked their way through Right right, right,
right, right.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
The parents were going to take care of it.
The dad wrote a check.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
The kids apologized.
Right right All that.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
And so if people are listening and they don't know
the story, the Menendez brotherseventually murdered their
parents, yeah, and the, I guess,controversy controversy because
it comes out in trial that theywere abused.
And if you watch the netflixseries, I will warn anybody who
(04:59):
has been abused, especiallysexually.
They really dwell on it, yeah,and they go into it over and
over.
They really bang that drum alot.
Yeah, it was as a person whodidn't go through all of that.
It was hard to watch that.
(05:20):
I would have rather watched thehorror movie.
It was terrible.
It's very disturbing, very muchof the killing, but they showed
more of the abuse right, right,they covered the abuse several
times a lot, yeah, and reallythere's only one scene that I
remember of the murder of themurder.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Yes, and you don't even really see much no they
just repeat the scene where theywere laying down on the sofa,
or they were laying down on thesofa, or they were sitting down
on the sofa, and the next sceneis the mom trying to get up from
where she was shot.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
So in the process of murdering their parents, the
mother was not dead and theywent outside and reloaded and
went back in Eric no.
What was it?
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I'm not sure.
Sure, exactly, I think it waseric, but they went back and
killed.
No, it was lyle they executedher, yeah it was and so lyle
went and reloaded, and then shecame back to kill and so a lot
of.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
And so immediately after they murdered their
parents, they kind of went on aspending spree.
They bought a Porsche, one ofthem bought a Porsche, one of
them bought a Jeep.
They bought Rolexes, theybought new clothes.
They spent quite a bit of money.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
And then they were in a hotel because they were in
protective custody.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
So it wasn't clear that they were the murderers at
first, and so I think it wastheir idea that it was a mafia
hit on the father, Because thedad, I mean he was doing big
businesses Right.
So the father was Cuban.
So I think there was a littlebit of a bias there already.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Because I think, at the time especially, you could
say oh, they're Cubans, they'reprobably into drugs, right,
right.
And nothing ever came out aboutanything even remotely close to
that.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
He does.
The father does seem to havebeen a bit of a jerk, I know, on
a documentary that I watched inresearching this episode, the
prosecutor went on record onthis documentary and said they
could not find somebody totestify that he was a gentle,
(07:43):
kind, nice person, right, theycouldn't find anybody, and so he
was a guy who's an immigrantfrom Cuba Probably not, probably
.
He had a hard life, yeah, andso he ran a pretty hard bargain
and was very ambitious anddemanded a lot of people and it
sounds like, at the very least,that crossed the line alone.
(08:09):
There is some controversy ifthe sexual abuse was real or if
it was just an excuse to get out.
I think you and I are both onthe same page is to think that
that kind of stuff is prettycommon.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
And it wouldn't be surprising if that was part of
the abuse to part of the reasonthat they did this, and so I
think I don't know if we agreeon this, but I think we agree
that a big part of it was alsothe money, though, that they
(08:50):
wanted access to his money.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
From my side.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
You're not in on that .
Speaker 1 (08:59):
No so.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I On my side.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Yeah, don't really think the raping and that kind
of abuse really fits into thisparticular case as far as the
defense, but it does so becausethe argument, the whole argument
that started was because erictold lyle, if I'm saying it
correctly, I think yeah, yeah,right, eric told lyle that he
was still being abused by hisdad at the age of 18.
(09:44):
18.
Yeah, that made Lyle fuckinglose it and he went up to his
dad and confronted him and thedad was like you guys are not
going to do shit, like just shutthe fuck up.
You know so.
(10:05):
And the mom knew, knew.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
The mom had to know after so many years, come on, so
that's like I don't get it Idon't get I, I just so part of
this situation that's new right,and understand also that I
witnessed this trial from thebeginning, as it happened?
(10:30):
Yes, right, and so part of thestuff that's come out now is
like never heard before oh, it'strue right.
So, like from my originalunderstanding of the story,
there was a good chance that theabuse was just made up as an
(10:51):
excuse to try to get them off onthe murder Recently.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Yeah, I get that.
I see, and I mean also likeback in the day, abused like
people didn't view it as abusebeing like a thing to like.
That would happen to boys, youknow.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Right, it wasn't something as common.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Yeah, abuse happens, but it might only happen to
girls, not to boys.
That's what like people back inthe day were thinking.
You know, yeah, it was aroundthat time, and it's like it
wasn't something that was talkedabout like today.
No, no, no.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Boys or girls, really .
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Like it really was swept under the rug.
It was the culture at the timewas almost the mentality.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
It was very close Victim blaming, yeah, like Like
it was something the victimshouldn't talk about.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
You know what I mean.
Like that's how society kind ofworked back then, and so people
didn't come out and they didn'ttalk about it.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yeah, they just didn't talk about it.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
And you know, so maybe I think what your argument
is is.
That's part of the reason forthe doubt from the public and
then also why they didn't talkabout it until really they had
to.
Yeah Right, and I get all ofthat, and that that may 100
percent be the case where mylittle brain, the case where my
(12:31):
little brain, oh, I don't knowthat you get a pass to murder
people.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Like I get and I'm, but they didn't see any other
way out, because if they went upto the cops and like, you know
what this guy's been.
My dad's been abusing me forthe past.
What was?
Was it 10 years?
Speaker 2 (12:45):
It was a long time, I think more than that.
More than that Because itdidn't start when he was eight.
It was like six or somethinglike that, according to them.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
But as a thing, Eric and I wouldn't talk about it To
each other Is that what you'resaying.
Yeah, about the abuse.
They never talked about it likewith each other until after the
fact, like when it was on trial, when they found out the whole
thing.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
When the lawyers were kind of going in between yeah,
they were like what the fuck?
Well, according to Eric andLyle and I think Lyle's the
older one, right?
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Yes, Eric is the small one.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
yeah, and so Lyle was abused by the father first, and
then he started to abuse Eric.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
And then the father switched to Eric, I guess, or I
don't know if switch is a word.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Yeah, because Lyle was standing up for himself at
some point, like hey, like Idon't want to do this or
whatever, like yeah just stop.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Yeah, and the dad stopped with him but continued
with eric right, and so I getyour argument that people didn't
talk about this and that theboys felt that there was no way
out.
I, my part, that I'muncomfortable with is this being
able to say well, you wereraped, so you get to go kill
(14:17):
this person.
No like that no yeah, I getthat's the part, and so I get
your perspective on it.
I don't know.
I would have rather let's sayit this way I think this is the
best way to say it I would haverather the father gone to prison
for his abuse than the boysmurder their parents.
(14:40):
You know what I mean.
Like I would have rather thathappened.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Okay, like I completely get that they were
Lyle was thinking they weregoing to get away with murder.
Like I totally get that,because they were blaming the
mafia, like all this.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
And they went to the movies to make sure they had an
alibi.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Nobody would think that it was them because there
was a perfect family, this andthis and that.
So keep in mind if they were,if, If the parents were alive,
Kitty and what's his name?
The dad.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Joe or Jose.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Jose?
I think it's Jose.
So if the parents were aliveand Eric and Lyle decided to go
through the whole reporting ofthe abuse, through the whole
court deal of their dad going tojail, yeah where does that
leave kitty at?
(15:35):
We all know kitty took his sideregardless even after the
cheating right, okay even afterthe whole fucking arguments in
the house.
Any fucking thing, she wouldtake his side right so here's
the thing.
Let's just assume they went afucking trial with the dad,
(15:57):
right?
yeah so I honestly think the dadwould have gotten away with it,
and that's where you might beright, right because it's 100
like because because he couldhave hired the best lawyers yes,
right, and kitty would havebeen on his side as his wife
(16:18):
yeah he would gotten people tovouch for him, like you know,
like talk on his behalf and shit, like come on yeah, come on.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I get what you're saying, and
especially with the way thelawyers have gotten people out
of all kinds of stuff right,including OJ Simpson and
everything else in the same areaof the country, right?
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Right.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
I get that.
I just don't know that thatlets you kill both of your
parents.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Yes, I get it, and so that's my whole thing.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
That's my whole thing .
Speaker 1 (16:56):
There was no fucking way out.
That's my whole point.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
I feel like they skipped the line.
Let's say it that way.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Yeah, and I get that.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
They skipped the line .
I think they could have.
I will say this.
I will go as far to say thislet's say that they went to
trial and he pays all his moneyand he gets away with it, right
and scot-free.
He comes out and he and thefucking boys blah, blah, blah,
news conference, all this stuff.
(17:26):
If they killed him then Iprobably would have been all
right with it at that point,because they didn't skip the
line and go straight to likeputting a gun to the mom's head
as she's crawling away and theywent and reloaded and executed
her.
If they would have done thatand I'm not even saying kill the
(17:47):
mom too right, go trial, try toget your dad to get thrown in
prison or whatever, right.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
And it all burns and you don't succeed.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
And then you get him.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
I'm okay with that Get it Like understand this
thing.
It was a different time, it wasa different era.
So the thing of them coming outand telling everyone like hey,
we've been abused by our dad,like, and Eric's been abused for
the past 12, 14 years, like,come on, I get what you're
saying.
They were not going to gothrough that exposure of it.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Is it a little bit strange, because I think they
would have been embarrassed.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Even they were like they didn't want to talk about
it on trial.
They were just like hiding it,not avoiding it, because they
had to talk about it, but likeit was reluctant, they didn't,
he was just saying like yes, noteven saying yes, at some point
he would just shake his head asyes.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, no, I get it.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
I will say this just to not point out the obvious.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
But it is very weird for you to tell me about this
time when I was the one who wasalive.
But yes, I understand whatyou're saying and and not much
has changed in that respect.
Right, right, like people don'tget abused and then like
they're happy to go run aroundtelling everybody no, I get that
, my whole thing is murder ispretty extreme yeah like that's.
I don't think that should bethe answer.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
I also believe rape over like several.
What 12 years?
Speaker 2 (19:17):
it's no you're right, it's like extreme, pretty
extreme right right it's prettyextreme and then, knowing the
details, it's pretty extreme.
You're using the word knowing.
We were told we were told thedetails, yeah right, it could be
a lie, but if it is true, no,but that's the thing still.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Okay.
Okay, so, but but also, butalso, but also.
The dad was managing a group ofboys right the band was called
menudo yeah, which was like the.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
It was like nYNC but Latinos.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Yeah, shit.
Anyways, there's this memberthat recently came out.
I got to look it up.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Right, right, he put it on TikTok.
No, no, it's 100%, I get it.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
And he said that he remembers being, I think he said
drugged or some type, likesomething was put in his drink
or something like that and JoseMenendez actually raped him.
He was like that was the firstoccasion After that it happened.
(20:19):
You know, yeah, I don't knowhow many times, I don't remember
how many times he said but yeah, so like there's people, like
talking about it like coming outand right, which is part of
what I was talking about.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
That wasn't, wasn't part of the story back then but
it's like new.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Yeah, yeah, this is new, this is recent so it was,
it was.
Roy.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
A guy named Roy says he was drugged and raped as a
teen.
I guess this is back in the 80s.
Yeah, oh there you go.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Yeah, oh, there you go.
Now, more than 30 years later,a former member of the popular
puerto rican boy band, grupomenudo, claims he was too.
He too was victimized by josein the 80s, and he was a teen
before.
So we have it up on our, ourmonitor reading the most
(21:36):
accurate we can be so yeah, likeokay, you're not gonna tell me
it didn't happen, when peopleare actually saying it happened,
(21:57):
like Like I said, I don't knowif it happened or didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
I think it's 100% possible.
This is not something thatnever happens, right?
I get that this kind of abusehappens and it has always
happened, so I get that my wholething is given all of the
(22:27):
benefits of all of it.
My issue really is that theyjust skipped to that.
If they would have gone totrial and lost the trial and
then killed him, that would havemade total sense.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
but that's the thing, even after a trial.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
I think the dad would go after them okay, so kill him
, then go ahead there would havebeen a fucking time to fucking
kill him.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
He would have fucking I don't know.
Accuse him of defamation or,like you know, I mean some type
of shit that wouldn't haveflying.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
you don't.
When you get charged and you'refound innocent, that kind of
cures all of that.
So my whole thing and and the Ithink the real issue that I
have is with the mom beingmurdered, because I get that.
We agree that there's a goodchance that she knew all this
(23:25):
stuff right.
I get that and I also get thatthere's probably some
complicated relationships whenyour mother doesn't defend you
Right and protect you.
Get all of that Right.
I think the part thatcomplicates it is that if they
killed the dad, she was going tofucking talk.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
She was going to talk .
Speaker 2 (23:48):
She gets the money.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
No, she was going to talk.
She was going to talk.
She wasn't going to stay quietLike fucking talk, she was gonna
talk.
She gets the money.
No, she was gonna talk.
She was gonna talk, she wasn'tgonna stay quiet, like, oh yeah,
they killed my husband, like Idon't know what happened I don't
think they necessarily had tokill her, kill him in front of
her like they did.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
I think that was an easy.
If they wanted to save her,they could have.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
I think, if you're looking at it as them wanting
the money, of course she has togo to no, no that's how I think
no, she was gonna talk, she wasgonna talk yeah, we're gonna
agree to disagree on this, Ithink.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
But you know what this isn?
This story isn't finished.
No, yeah, there's a petitiongoing around.
And we'll see what happens withthat.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
So we have a new section, a new feature.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Let's see if this even works.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
So we decided that we're gonna go on to reddit
right and we're gonna read theserandom stories random stories
of people.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Oh my god and then we're gonna give advice because,
I'm gonna be honest, everybodydoesn't know this yeah but, I
mean, I've seen some stories ontiktok and I've been like trying
to send you and stuff.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Yeah, they're short and they're like pretty
interesting this is.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
This is what people don't know.
We open, like our opinions arecrazy, though, so this is what I
was getting at.
There is a part of bianca andi's friendship that is probably
my favorite part.
I'm going to be honest.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
With arguing, yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Not to argue so much, but we share a lot of stories
back and forth and then we giveadvice in our own private chat.
That is hilarious A lot oftimes.
Yeah Right, and so I thinkwe're good at advice.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
But if they took our advice in action, if we actually
like, I think the world wouldbe a better place, right right,
and so I think I think we'regonna get into some things here
yeah so I'm gonna skim thisstory.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Okay, I'm not gonna read a word for word, because I
don't know if there's copyrights, right that's true.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Right, just summarize .
Speaker 2 (26:13):
But just summarize the story, yeah I already read
it, I already have some opinions, right, yeah.
But basically there is thisyoung lady.
She works with this guy andapparently they're pretty good
friends, right.
I don't know if you would saybesties or not, but they're,
they're close okay, right, theyget along well well, they kind
(26:38):
of started hooking up right,just no, no strings attached,
because they're bored, I think,more than anything.
Right, they're bored, theydrink, they're drinking buddies,
blah, blah, blah.
Well, the guy has an ex and,according to this reddit post,
(26:59):
she's not she's not the greatestgirlfriend, let's say it that
way there's a reason.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
She's an ex right.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Yes, right okay right and so she's not the best.
Blah, blah, blah.
And now this the friend thegirl's writing this right, and
now the guy is back talking tothat girl to the x, to the x
right to the x okay but thefriend and him don't really have
(27:31):
anything like strings, but shewonders if she should maybe say
something, or is there somethingshe should do?
Is this a problem, right?
Is there like are you gettingthis story?
Speaker 1 (27:48):
But they're just friends.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Like are you getting this story?
But they're just friends.
The girl and the guy that arehooking up, the girl that wrote
this is just friends.
They're just friends.
In fact, they're just drinkingbuddies and they work together.
Right, but they have a goodrelationship Like they're
friends.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Okay, right, and so they have a good relationship
like they're friends.
Okay, right and so.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
And so the guy is talking again with his ex right
and the friend found out right,and so I think part of the issue
, if I'm reading this right, isthat the is a girl found out.
It's not that she was told.
Do you know what I mean?
Okay, so it's like there's norelationship there, but he's
(28:36):
still kind of hiding.
So he didn't tell the friendlike hey, I'm talking again with
the ex Right, but he never saidanything either, like he didn't
say no, I'm not, but he didn'tsay yes I am.
Like it's't say no, I'm not,but he didn't say yes, I am, hmm
, like it's kind of a I mean,but they're friends.
(28:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
They're not a thing thing.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
No, they're not a thing thing.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Okay, so man it's.
I mean, I don't think itmatters.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
But just for the fact , like what if?
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Okay, so what if he's hooking up with the ex?
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
And if he's trying to hook up with a friend as well.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Is that what he's doing?
Because someone just doesn'ttalk with their ex to talk, mm.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Right, True, true, true so yeah, and this is the
other thing, true, true.
So yeah, and this is the otherthing too.
Right Is that?
If you're one of those peopleright, and I'm not.
But if you're one of thosepeople that gets bored and cures
your boredom with sex, right?
(29:54):
I think an X is an easy one tocure boredom with, because
there's nothing new there rightright.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
So it's just kind of the safe spot, right like it's
just like you to your usual.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Yeah, so like to build, build up to that point
with a new person.
There's a lot of nerves andyeah you know, and at least with
this it's kind of like, well,it's familiar.
Maybe even you know what to do,you know where all the
landmarks are, you know.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
So maybe that's something you could slide back
into yeah and slide out prettyquick, I think I mean but, but
what I'm saying, like if they'refriends or besties yeah just
adding that on the side right.
But like, if they're friends,at least, like let the girl know
, like hey, I'm talking withagain with my ex, you know it's
(30:50):
you would know you don't youwouldn't have to say like so you
and I are friends yeah, rightand so when we tell each other
everything to be honest.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
It's true, but when you talk to somebody, I hear
about it.
Yeah, we're friends.
Yeah, right, we don't get madabout each other's shit.
For sure, for sure, we're justlike ah, whatever.
That's you right, that's you.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
That's your choice, your friends.
Well, we do advise each otherthough, yes, if you want to take
it.
You want to take it.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
If you don't, you don't but that's right how we
work.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
But I wouldn't hide a relationship from you because
that's weird, yeah right and youdon't like like if I get
another best friend yeah likewhen I told you about stephan.
Like, oh, she's one of my bestfriends you know, I didn't hide
her right, I told you like, oh,like I also want to do, like
this podcast with her right, youknow, and stuff like that,
still working on it though, butbut, and there's nothing wrong
(31:42):
with any of that but I didn'thide her from you, right, like
we're friends, friends, rightand when you were dating back in
the past when I was dating backin the past when I'm like when
you meet a guy when I talk withone of my exes, I even told you
about it, Like there's nothingto hide.
We're friends.
We're friends, friends beforeanything, before coworkers,
before anything like that we'refriends, there's a trust in us
(32:05):
you know Well, and there's noreason to hide.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Yeah, no Like, because I'm not, I'm not friends
with you because you're single.
No, no, no no no, no, I'm notfriends because you're married,
like it has zero effect.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
We're friends because we get along with each other.
That's it, yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
So in this situation, right.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Maybe they're not friends, friends as she says.
See, that's an interestingthing, right, because maybe
Because I think to have afriendship with someone there's
supposed to be trust.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Sure and kind of openness too, right, like like
if you were doing something, Ican't think of a situation,
cause I'm pretty like I don'thave any.
I don't have anything that I,you better, not you know, right,
I don't have anything like that.
But but if there was somethingthat you did that was a deal
(32:57):
breaker, like, let's say, youdid something illegal, if you
got into crime or you got intosomething that was like I can't
be associated with that, wewould have a discussion, right.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Right, but you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Like it wouldn't be like.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
It wouldn't be like be like I'm gonna hide this from
her or she's gonna hide thisfrom me, like it's just, it's
not.
Friends aren't like that yeah,but I don't know, it's okay, it
is a weird situation.
I mean, like I said, maybethey're not friends, that she
thinks they are yeah, maybe,maybe that's what it is.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
If, if it's something else, what are your options?
Right, because?
Is it that the guy was tryingto be more?
Because maybe that's what itwas and then it didn't work out,
so he goes back?
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Hmm, he probably got game, though he probably is
playing games.
But besides that, I mean ifthey're friends and there's no
strings attached, like if theguy was to your spot, I mean
just don't, if it was me Iwouldn't bring anything up If
something is said to me.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
I'm like OK, cool, like it's your thing, right?
Like I said, like I don'tfucking care, like if it was, if
you had a friend like yeah, andmy friend tells me something,
like oh, no, it's because thisis going on right now, it's like
okay, cool, you know.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Yeah, I think I think part of the reason you and I
get along so well is that Iwould rather just know the
landscape yeah right and so likewith you, like because you've
had different jobs, since we'vebeen friends and so like.
If your schedule changes,because that affects the podcast
yeah, 100 let me know, right.
(34:46):
Yeah, like, oh, now I'm workingthese days or maybe I'm doing
this like you.
Just let a friend know thethings that are gonna to affect
them not like we're not going tosay that okay.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
So on his behalf let's just say he's not hiding
it.
It's more like maybe he doesn'twant to talk about it because
he's not sure yet about, like,what he's doing also this too
right.
I mean, maybe that's okay,let's go on his side now right,
but this is the other thing.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Is that because we, you and I, have been friends for
a very long time?
Right years and years when wefirst became friends.
There were certain things Ididn't tell you why, well, like
I wasn't.
I wasn't super open about mystrip club expertise.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
You didn't talk to me about the guys you were seeing
back then that's true right andso man, you see like I was
fucking hooking up with guys I'mjust saying you, you didn't
tell me everything because weweren't there yet right right,
we were friends, but that's whatI'm saying maybe she's wrong on
the part of likehow close how close they are,
(36:00):
and maybe they're not that closeyeah, maybe but on his behalf,
like maybe he's not sure what hewants yet, like it's his thing
of trying to figure out whatexactly yeah what he's to do, or
the next move maybe.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
But if they're friends and they talk every day,
like Might as well, talk aboutit.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
I don't know.
Like I said, I think one of thethings Because, as friends, we
talk every day.
We talk every day.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Dumb shit, serious shit.
Whatever the fuck it is, wetalk about it.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
You send me the videos that I just watched, all
the time talk about it like yousend me the videos that I just
watched all the time.
not even I send you new ones.
I said you do it.
But what I mean is ouralgorithms are the same.
Oh yeah, so today, for example,at the same time, I send bianca
a video and she sends me avideo, and they literally came
(36:52):
in at the same time.
It's the same comedian at thesame show, two minutes apart.
The sections were just slightlyoff and it was basically the
same kind of joke.
So our algorithms are the sameand so I don't know who these
(37:14):
people are, but I will say theyget in the vibe from the guy's
side.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Okay, but the thing is, what does the ex think
though?
Do you think the ex knows Ifthe friend knows?
Speaker 2 (37:28):
I don't think she knows.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Man, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
If you're the, ex, we'd have to share the Reddit on
on our page.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
yeah, we want people can can let us know that's crazy
, though that's a complicatedone yeah, well, that's it for
today.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
if you have a situation with drama, I love the
choosing guys.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
I love the choosing.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Send it to us on our Facebook.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Because we both read our emails on our Facebook.
I'm the only one.
If you just want to talk to me,send it on TikTok, but I never
open that.
But if you want to talk, to usboth.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
It's Facebook.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
I'm'm gonna be honest with you.
That's another thing that wewill both read the message, and
then we will message each otherto and summarize the email that
we both just read oh yeah, we dothat too yeah we do a lot of
dumb shit but not as dumb asthis ex or no, the friend yeah,
(38:40):
he doesn't seem like a genius.
I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
I mean, I just want to know the end game though,
like what's the, what's the planhere?
Speaker 2 (38:49):
like I'm gonna keep up with this post.
We're gonna keep up figuringthis out.
Something's gonna happensomething's gonna blow up for
sure, and so we're gonna knowand we're gonna let y'all know
and then hopefully we get morestories, because we love being
helpful and we like being yeah,this is like our service, a
(39:09):
little bit of what we do.
Anyways, we're just bringingthis into the podcast a little
bit.
Yeah, also, let us know whereyou stand on the Menendez
brothers, because Bianca and Iare like miles apart on that.
Who's right on that, or are weboth wrong?
Speaker 1 (39:25):
What do you think?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
I don't think we can both be wrong, but somewhat.
I think somebody is going todisagree with one of us.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
I have a feeling it's me, but that's it for today.
Thank you for joining us.
We will talk to you next week.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Bye guys.
Hey my brothers, no, no no, oh no, jokes, jokes,
jokes.
So it's been going viral, right?
Still, after the whole Netflixseries and stuff like that, they
brought it back up to date,since they're going on trial
again, I believe, right.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
They're looking into whether they should get a new
trial or adjust their sentencing.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
We are talking about.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Oh yeah, I never said it.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
We're talking about the Hernandez brothers.
The Hernandez brothers.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Eric and Lyle.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
So this is an old story Happened in the 90s.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
I think yeah, shit.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
So this was right before I was born, the OJ
Simpson trial.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
That also, yeah, 90s, I think.
So this was right before I wasborn, the oj simpson trial.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
That also.
Yeah, um kind of to be honestwith you at this time.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
California how old were you?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I was already like 18 , 19, 20, no, yeah it was what
92, I think, so I was in collegealready when all this was going
on.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yeah, I was, but I mean, I was, I was young, but it
was, I was in college.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Yeah, um, and yeah, it's 1992.
They went to call, they went toto trial in 93, so all of that
I was in college, um, so at thispoint in time california is
kind of like on fire okay theyhad the rodney king situation.
(01:50):
Do you, are you aware of that?
No, david, okay, so rodney kingwas a black guy and he gets
pulled over.
And I think and I'm gonna justskim and maybe I don't have
everything perfectly right,right, this episode is not about
Rodney King.
I think he was on drugs and thecops like just beat him, okay,
(02:13):
like mercilessly, and somebodyfilmed it from, like, their
apartment, okay, and somehowthat video got out.
Blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Somebody made a TikTok.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah, this is all before all of that, right, yeah,
yeah, yeah.
And so the video got out andthe whole Los Angeles area was
like full of riots, on edge,like it was just crazy.
And so also at this time Ithink this has cleared up since
(02:47):
then.
But Los Angeles particularlywas considered like really
corrupt as far as police go, solike police did whatever they
wanted, right, and so especiallyblack people and poor people
and minorities in general, theykind of just had it with this.
(03:08):
And so the Menendez brotherskind of represented at the time,
the kind of the people that gotaway with everything.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
So there was.
Ok, I see that I see from thesocial side.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
A lot of people kind of had some resentment I mean it
wasn't like because they werein beverly hills, where the fuck
right it's right, right, nextto los angeles so, but yes, so
they were like they were richkids they were rich kids um, but
it's not like you saw murdersall the time right, so they were
in a very safe yeah, it's notlike people were there.
(03:48):
Well, they were stealing rightwhen they were younger but right
but it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
It wasn't killing guys, it wasn't killing well,
and also the way that they werestealing stealing the it was
like the parents are gonna talkto you.
It wasn't like if you and I gotcaught stealing.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Right, that's true, that's true.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
We would have gone to juvenile detention.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
We would have it would have been more had some
consequences.
Right, right, right.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Towards, and so they kind of I guess you could say
Worked their way through.
Well, what?
Speaker 1 (04:24):
They worked their way through Right right, right,
right, right.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
The parents were going to take care of it.
The dad wrote a check.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
The kids apologized.
Right right All that.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
And so if people are listening and they don't know
the story, the Menendez brotherseventually murdered their
parents, yeah, and the, I guess,controversy controversy because
it comes out in trial that theywere abused.
And if you watch the netflixseries, I will warn anybody who
(04:59):
has been abused, especiallysexually.
They really dwell on it, yeah,and they go into it over and
over.
They really bang that drum alot.
Yeah, it was as a person whodidn't go through all of that.
It was hard to watch that.
(05:20):
I would have rather watched thehorror movie.
It was terrible.
It's very disturbing, very muchof the killing, but they showed
more of the abuse right, right,they covered the abuse several
times a lot, yeah, and reallythere's only one scene that I
remember of the murder of themurder.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Yes, and you don't even really see much no they
just repeat the scene where theywere laying down on the sofa,
or they were laying down on thesofa, or they were sitting down
on the sofa, and the next sceneis the mom trying to get up from
where she was shot.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
So in the process of murdering their parents, the
mother was not dead and theywent outside and reloaded and
went back in Eric no.
What was it?
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I'm not sure.
Sure, exactly, I think it waseric, but they went back and
killed.
No, it was lyle they executedher, yeah it was and so lyle
went and reloaded, and then shecame back to kill and so a lot
of.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
And so immediately after they murdered their
parents, they kind of went on aspending spree.
They bought a Porsche, one ofthem bought a Porsche, one of
them bought a Jeep.
They bought Rolexes, theybought new clothes.
They spent quite a bit of money.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
And then they were in a hotel because they were in
protective custody.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
So it wasn't clear that they were the murderers at
first, and so I think it wastheir idea that it was a mafia
hit on the father, Because thedad, I mean he was doing big
businesses Right.
So the father was Cuban.
So I think there was a littlebit of a bias there already.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Because I think, at the time especially, you could
say oh, they're Cubans, they'reprobably into drugs, right,
right.
And nothing ever came out aboutanything even remotely close to
that.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
He does.
The father does seem to havebeen a bit of a jerk, I know, on
a documentary that I watched inresearching this episode, the
prosecutor went on record onthis documentary and said they
could not find somebody totestify that he was a gentle,
(07:43):
kind, nice person, right, theycouldn't find anybody, and so he
was a guy who's an immigrantfrom Cuba Probably not, probably
.
He had a hard life, yeah, andso he ran a pretty hard bargain
and was very ambitious anddemanded a lot of people and it
sounds like, at the very least,that crossed the line alone.
(08:09):
There is some controversy ifthe sexual abuse was real or if
it was just an excuse to get out.
I think you and I are both onthe same page is to think that
that kind of stuff is prettycommon.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
And it wouldn't be surprising if that was part of
the abuse to part of the reasonthat they did this, and so I
think I don't know if we agreeon this, but I think we agree
that a big part of it was alsothe money, though, that they
(08:50):
wanted access to his money.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
From my side.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
You're not in on that .
Speaker 1 (08:59):
No so.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I On my side.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Yeah, don't really think the raping and that kind
of abuse really fits into thisparticular case as far as the
defense, but it does so becausethe argument, the whole argument
that started was because erictold lyle, if I'm saying it
correctly, I think yeah, yeah,right, eric told lyle that he
was still being abused by hisdad at the age of 18.
(09:44):
18.
Yeah, that made Lyle fuckinglose it and he went up to his
dad and confronted him and thedad was like you guys are not
going to do shit, like just shutthe fuck up.
You know so.
(10:05):
And the mom knew, knew.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
The mom had to know after so many years, come on, so
that's like I don't get it Idon't get I, I just so part of
this situation that's new right,and understand also that I
witnessed this trial from thebeginning, as it happened?
(10:30):
Yes, right, and so part of thestuff that's come out now is
like never heard before oh, it'strue right.
So, like from my originalunderstanding of the story,
there was a good chance that theabuse was just made up as an
(10:51):
excuse to try to get them off onthe murder Recently.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Yeah, I get that.
I see, and I mean also likeback in the day, abused like
people didn't view it as abusebeing like a thing to like.
That would happen to boys, youknow.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Right, it wasn't something as common.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Yeah, abuse happens, but it might only happen to
girls, not to boys.
That's what like people back inthe day were thinking.
You know, yeah, it was aroundthat time, and it's like it
wasn't something that was talkedabout like today.
No, no, no.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Boys or girls, really .
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Like it really was swept under the rug.
It was the culture at the timewas almost the mentality.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
It was very close Victim blaming, yeah, like Like
it was something the victimshouldn't talk about.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
You know what I mean.
Like that's how society kind ofworked back then, and so people
didn't come out and they didn'ttalk about it.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yeah, they just didn't talk about it.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
And you know, so maybe I think what your argument
is is.
That's part of the reason forthe doubt from the public and
then also why they didn't talkabout it until really they had
to.
Yeah Right, and I get all ofthat, and that that may 100
percent be the case where mylittle brain, the case where my
(12:31):
little brain, oh, I don't knowthat you get a pass to murder
people.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Like I get and I'm, but they didn't see any other
way out, because if they went upto the cops and like, you know
what this guy's been.
My dad's been abusing me forthe past.
What was?
Was it 10 years?
Speaker 2 (12:45):
It was a long time, I think more than that.
More than that Because itdidn't start when he was eight.
It was like six or somethinglike that, according to them.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
But as a thing, Eric and I wouldn't talk about it To
each other Is that what you'resaying.
Yeah, about the abuse.
They never talked about it likewith each other until after the
fact, like when it was on trial, when they found out the whole
thing.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
When the lawyers were kind of going in between yeah,
they were like what the fuck?
Well, according to Eric andLyle and I think Lyle's the
older one, right?
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Yes, Eric is the small one.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
yeah, and so Lyle was abused by the father first, and
then he started to abuse Eric.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
And then the father switched to Eric, I guess, or I
don't know if switch is a word.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Yeah, because Lyle was standing up for himself at
some point, like hey, like Idon't want to do this or
whatever, like yeah just stop.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Yeah, and the dad stopped with him but continued
with eric right, and so I getyour argument that people didn't
talk about this and that theboys felt that there was no way
out.
I, my part, that I'muncomfortable with is this being
able to say well, you wereraped, so you get to go kill
(14:17):
this person.
No like that no yeah, I getthat's the part, and so I get
your perspective on it.
I don't know.
I would have rather let's sayit this way I think this is the
best way to say it I would haverather the father gone to prison
for his abuse than the boysmurder their parents.
(14:40):
You know what I mean.
Like I would have rather thathappened.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Okay, like I completely get that they were
Lyle was thinking they weregoing to get away with murder.
Like I totally get that,because they were blaming the
mafia, like all this.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
And they went to the movies to make sure they had an
alibi.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Nobody would think that it was them because there
was a perfect family, this andthis and that.
So keep in mind if they were,if, If the parents were alive,
Kitty and what's his name?
The dad.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Joe or Jose.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Jose?
I think it's Jose.
So if the parents were aliveand Eric and Lyle decided to go
through the whole reporting ofthe abuse, through the whole
court deal of their dad going tojail, yeah where does that
leave kitty at?
(15:35):
We all know kitty took his sideregardless even after the
cheating right, okay even afterthe whole fucking arguments in
the house.
Any fucking thing, she wouldtake his side right so here's
the thing.
Let's just assume they went afucking trial with the dad,
(15:57):
right?
yeah so I honestly think the dadwould have gotten away with it,
and that's where you might beright, right because it's 100
like because because he couldhave hired the best lawyers yes,
right, and kitty would havebeen on his side as his wife
(16:18):
yeah he would gotten people tovouch for him, like you know,
like talk on his behalf and shit, like come on yeah, come on.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I get what you're saying, and
especially with the way thelawyers have gotten people out
of all kinds of stuff right,including OJ Simpson and
everything else in the same areaof the country, right?
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Right.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
I get that.
I just don't know that thatlets you kill both of your
parents.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Yes, I get it, and so that's my whole thing.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
That's my whole thing .
Speaker 1 (16:56):
There was no fucking way out.
That's my whole point.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
I feel like they skipped the line.
Let's say it that way.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Yeah, and I get that.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
They skipped the line .
I think they could have.
I will say this.
I will go as far to say thislet's say that they went to
trial and he pays all his moneyand he gets away with it, right
and scot-free.
He comes out and he and thefucking boys blah, blah, blah,
news conference, all this stuff.
(17:26):
If they killed him then Iprobably would have been all
right with it at that point,because they didn't skip the
line and go straight to likeputting a gun to the mom's head
as she's crawling away and theywent and reloaded and executed
her.
If they would have done thatand I'm not even saying kill the
(17:47):
mom too right, go trial, try toget your dad to get thrown in
prison or whatever, right.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
And it all burns and you don't succeed.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
And then you get him.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
I'm okay with that Get it Like understand this
thing.
It was a different time, it wasa different era.
So the thing of them coming outand telling everyone like hey,
we've been abused by our dad,like, and Eric's been abused for
the past 12, 14 years, like,come on, I get what you're
saying.
They were not going to gothrough that exposure of it.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Is it a little bit strange, because I think they
would have been embarrassed.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Even they were like they didn't want to talk about
it on trial.
They were just like hiding it,not avoiding it, because they
had to talk about it, but likeit was reluctant, they didn't,
he was just saying like yes, noteven saying yes, at some point
he would just shake his head asyes.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, no, I get it.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
I will say this just to not point out the obvious.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
But it is very weird for you to tell me about this
time when I was the one who wasalive.
But yes, I understand whatyou're saying and and not much
has changed in that respect.
Right, right, like people don'tget abused and then like
they're happy to go run aroundtelling everybody no, I get that
, my whole thing is murder ispretty extreme yeah like that's.
I don't think that should bethe answer.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
I also believe rape over like several.
What 12 years?
Speaker 2 (19:17):
it's no you're right, it's like extreme, pretty
extreme right right it's prettyextreme and then, knowing the
details, it's pretty extreme.
You're using the word knowing.
We were told we were told thedetails, yeah right, it could be
a lie, but if it is true, no,but that's the thing still.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Okay.
Okay, so, but but also, butalso, but also.
The dad was managing a group ofboys right the band was called
menudo yeah, which was like the.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
It was like nYNC but Latinos.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Yeah, shit.
Anyways, there's this memberthat recently came out.
I got to look it up.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Right, right, he put it on TikTok.
No, no, it's 100%, I get it.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
And he said that he remembers being, I think he said
drugged or some type, likesomething was put in his drink
or something like that and JoseMenendez actually raped him.
He was like that was the firstoccasion After that it happened.
(20:19):
You know, yeah, I don't knowhow many times, I don't remember
how many times he said but yeah, so like there's people, like
talking about it like coming outand right, which is part of
what I was talking about.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
That wasn't, wasn't part of the story back then but
it's like new.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Yeah, yeah, this is new, this is recent so it was,
it was.
Roy.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
A guy named Roy says he was drugged and raped as a
teen.
I guess this is back in the 80s.
Yeah, oh there you go.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Yeah, oh, there you go.
Now, more than 30 years later,a former member of the popular
puerto rican boy band, grupomenudo, claims he was too.
He too was victimized by josein the 80s, and he was a teen
before.
So we have it up on our, ourmonitor reading the most
(21:36):
accurate we can be so yeah, likeokay, you're not gonna tell me
it didn't happen, when peopleare actually saying it happened,
(21:57):
like Like I said, I don't knowif it happened or didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
I think it's 100% possible.
This is not something thatnever happens, right?
I get that this kind of abusehappens and it has always
happened, so I get that my wholething is given all of the
(22:27):
benefits of all of it.
My issue really is that theyjust skipped to that.
If they would have gone totrial and lost the trial and
then killed him, that would havemade total sense.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
but that's the thing, even after a trial.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
I think the dad would go after them okay, so kill him
, then go ahead there would havebeen a fucking time to fucking
kill him.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
He would have fucking I don't know.
Accuse him of defamation or,like you know, I mean some type
of shit that wouldn't haveflying.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
you don't.
When you get charged and you'refound innocent, that kind of
cures all of that.
So my whole thing and and the Ithink the real issue that I
have is with the mom beingmurdered, because I get that.
We agree that there's a goodchance that she knew all this
(23:25):
stuff right.
I get that and I also get thatthere's probably some
complicated relationships whenyour mother doesn't defend you
Right and protect you.
Get all of that Right.
I think the part thatcomplicates it is that if they
killed the dad, she was going tofucking talk.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
She was going to talk .
Speaker 2 (23:48):
She gets the money.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
No, she was going to talk.
She was going to talk.
She wasn't going to stay quietLike fucking talk, she was gonna
talk.
She gets the money.
No, she was gonna talk.
She was gonna talk, she wasn'tgonna stay quiet, like, oh yeah,
they killed my husband, like Idon't know what happened I don't
think they necessarily had tokill her, kill him in front of
her like they did.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
I think that was an easy.
If they wanted to save her,they could have.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
I think, if you're looking at it as them wanting
the money, of course she has togo to no, no that's how I think
no, she was gonna talk, she wasgonna talk yeah, we're gonna
agree to disagree on this, Ithink.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
But you know what this isn?
This story isn't finished.
No, yeah, there's a petitiongoing around.
And we'll see what happens withthat.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
So we have a new section, a new feature.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Let's see if this even works.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
So we decided that we're gonna go on to reddit
right and we're gonna read theserandom stories random stories
of people.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Oh my god and then we're gonna give advice because,
I'm gonna be honest, everybodydoesn't know this yeah but, I
mean, I've seen some stories ontiktok and I've been like trying
to send you and stuff.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Yeah, they're short and they're like pretty
interesting this is.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
This is what people don't know.
We open, like our opinions arecrazy, though, so this is what I
was getting at.
There is a part of bianca andi's friendship that is probably
my favorite part.
I'm going to be honest.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
With arguing, yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Not to argue so much, but we share a lot of stories
back and forth and then we giveadvice in our own private chat.
That is hilarious A lot oftimes.
Yeah Right, and so I thinkwe're good at advice.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
But if they took our advice in action, if we actually
like, I think the world wouldbe a better place, right right,
and so I think I think we'regonna get into some things here
yeah so I'm gonna skim thisstory.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Okay, I'm not gonna read a word for word, because I
don't know if there's copyrights, right that's true.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Right, just summarize .
Speaker 2 (26:13):
But just summarize the story, yeah I already read
it, I already have some opinions, right, yeah.
But basically there is thisyoung lady.
She works with this guy andapparently they're pretty good
friends, right.
I don't know if you would saybesties or not, but they're,
they're close okay, right, theyget along well well, they kind
(26:38):
of started hooking up right,just no, no strings attached,
because they're bored, I think,more than anything.
Right, they're bored, theydrink, they're drinking buddies,
blah, blah, blah.
Well, the guy has an ex and,according to this reddit post,
(26:59):
she's not she's not the greatestgirlfriend, let's say it that
way there's a reason.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
She's an ex right.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Yes, right okay right and so she's not the best.
Blah, blah, blah.
And now this the friend thegirl's writing this right, and
now the guy is back talking tothat girl to the x, to the x
right to the x okay but thefriend and him don't really have
(27:31):
anything like strings, but shewonders if she should maybe say
something, or is there somethingshe should do?
Is this a problem, right?
Is there like are you gettingthis story?
Speaker 1 (27:48):
But they're just friends.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Like are you getting this story?
But they're just friends.
The girl and the guy that arehooking up, the girl that wrote
this is just friends.
They're just friends.
In fact, they're just drinkingbuddies and they work together.
Right, but they have a goodrelationship Like they're
friends.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Okay, right, and so they have a good relationship
like they're friends.
Okay, right and so.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
And so the guy is talking again with his ex right
and the friend found out right,and so I think part of the issue
, if I'm reading this right, isthat the is a girl found out.
It's not that she was told.
Do you know what I mean?
Okay, so it's like there's norelationship there, but he's
(28:36):
still kind of hiding.
So he didn't tell the friendlike hey, I'm talking again with
the ex Right, but he never saidanything either, like he didn't
say no, I'm not, but he didn'tsay yes I am.
Like it's't say no, I'm not,but he didn't say yes, I am, hmm
, like it's kind of a I mean,but they're friends.
(28:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
They're not a thing thing.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
No, they're not a thing thing.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Okay, so man it's.
I mean, I don't think itmatters.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
But just for the fact , like what if?
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Okay, so what if he's hooking up with the ex?
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
And if he's trying to hook up with a friend as well.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Is that what he's doing?
Because someone just doesn'ttalk with their ex to talk, mm.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Right, True, true, true so yeah, and this is the
other thing, true, true.
So yeah, and this is the otherthing too.
Right Is that?
If you're one of those peopleright, and I'm not.
But if you're one of thosepeople that gets bored and cures
your boredom with sex, right?
(29:54):
I think an X is an easy one tocure boredom with, because
there's nothing new there rightright.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
So it's just kind of the safe spot, right like it's
just like you to your usual.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Yeah, so like to build, build up to that point
with a new person.
There's a lot of nerves andyeah you know, and at least with
this it's kind of like, well,it's familiar.
Maybe even you know what to do,you know where all the
landmarks are, you know.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
So maybe that's something you could slide back
into yeah and slide out prettyquick, I think I mean but, but
what I'm saying, like if they'refriends or besties yeah just
adding that on the side right.
But like, if they're friends,at least, like let the girl know
, like hey, I'm talking withagain with my ex, you know it's
(30:50):
you would know you don't youwouldn't have to say like so you
and I are friends yeah, rightand so when we tell each other
everything to be honest.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
It's true, but when you talk to somebody, I hear
about it.
Yeah, we're friends.
Yeah, right, we don't get madabout each other's shit.
For sure, for sure, we're justlike ah, whatever.
That's you right, that's you.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
That's your choice, your friends.
Well, we do advise each otherthough, yes, if you want to take
it.
You want to take it.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
If you don't, you don't but that's right how we
work.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
But I wouldn't hide a relationship from you because
that's weird, yeah right and youdon't like like if I get
another best friend yeah likewhen I told you about stephan.
Like, oh, she's one of my bestfriends you know, I didn't hide
her right, I told you like, oh,like I also want to do, like
this podcast with her right, youknow, and stuff like that,
still working on it though, butbut, and there's nothing wrong
(31:42):
with any of that but I didn'thide her from you, right, like
we're friends, friends, rightand when you were dating back in
the past when I was dating backin the past when I'm like when
you meet a guy when I talk withone of my exes, I even told you
about it, Like there's nothingto hide.
We're friends.
We're friends, friends beforeanything, before coworkers,
before anything like that we'refriends, there's a trust in us
(32:05):
you know Well, and there's noreason to hide.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Yeah, no Like, because I'm not, I'm not friends
with you because you're single.
No, no, no no no, no, I'm notfriends because you're married,
like it has zero effect.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
We're friends because we get along with each other.
That's it, yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
So in this situation, right.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Maybe they're not friends, friends as she says.
See, that's an interestingthing, right, because maybe
Because I think to have afriendship with someone there's
supposed to be trust.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Sure and kind of openness too, right, like like
if you were doing something, Ican't think of a situation,
cause I'm pretty like I don'thave any.
I don't have anything that I,you better, not you know, right,
I don't have anything like that.
But but if there was somethingthat you did that was a deal
(32:57):
breaker, like, let's say, youdid something illegal, if you
got into crime or you got intosomething that was like I can't
be associated with that, wewould have a discussion, right.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Right, but you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Like it wouldn't be like.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
It wouldn't be like be like I'm gonna hide this from
her or she's gonna hide thisfrom me, like it's just, it's
not.
Friends aren't like that yeah,but I don't know, it's okay, it
is a weird situation.
I mean, like I said, maybethey're not friends, that she
thinks they are yeah, maybe,maybe that's what it is.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
If, if it's something else, what are your options?
Right, because?
Is it that the guy was tryingto be more?
Because maybe that's what itwas and then it didn't work out,
so he goes back?
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Hmm, he probably got game, though he probably is
playing games.
But besides that, I mean ifthey're friends and there's no
strings attached, like if theguy was to your spot, I mean
just don't, if it was me Iwouldn't bring anything up If
something is said to me.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
I'm like OK, cool, like it's your thing, right?
Like I said, like I don'tfucking care, like if it was, if
you had a friend like yeah, andmy friend tells me something,
like oh, no, it's because thisis going on right now, it's like
okay, cool, you know.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Yeah, I think I think part of the reason you and I
get along so well is that Iwould rather just know the
landscape yeah right and so likewith you, like because you've
had different jobs, since we'vebeen friends and so like.
If your schedule changes,because that affects the podcast
yeah, 100 let me know, right.
(34:46):
Yeah, like, oh, now I'm workingthese days or maybe I'm doing
this like you.
Just let a friend know thethings that are gonna to affect
them not like we're not going tosay that okay.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
So on his behalf let's just say he's not hiding
it.
It's more like maybe he doesn'twant to talk about it because
he's not sure yet about, like,what he's doing also this too
right.
I mean, maybe that's okay,let's go on his side now right,
but this is the other thing.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Is that because we, you and I, have been friends for
a very long time?
Right years and years when wefirst became friends.
There were certain things Ididn't tell you why, well, like
I wasn't.
I wasn't super open about mystrip club expertise.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
You didn't talk to me about the guys you were seeing
back then that's true right andso man, you see like I was
fucking hooking up with guys I'mjust saying you, you didn't
tell me everything because weweren't there yet right right,
we were friends, but that's whatI'm saying maybe she's wrong on
the part of likehow close how close they are,
(36:00):
and maybe they're not that closeyeah, maybe but on his behalf,
like maybe he's not sure what hewants yet, like it's his thing
of trying to figure out whatexactly yeah what he's to do, or
the next move maybe.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
But if they're friends and they talk every day,
like Might as well, talk aboutit.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
I don't know.
Like I said, I think one of thethings Because, as friends, we
talk every day.
We talk every day.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Dumb shit, serious shit.
Whatever the fuck it is, wetalk about it.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
You send me the videos that I just watched, all
the time talk about it like yousend me the videos that I just
watched all the time.
not even I send you new ones.
I said you do it.
But what I mean is ouralgorithms are the same.
Oh yeah, so today, for example,at the same time, I send bianca
a video and she sends me avideo, and they literally came
(36:52):
in at the same time.
It's the same comedian at thesame show, two minutes apart.
The sections were just slightlyoff and it was basically the
same kind of joke.
So our algorithms are the sameand so I don't know who these
(37:14):
people are, but I will say theyget in the vibe from the guy's
side.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Okay, but the thing is, what does the ex think
though?
Do you think the ex knows Ifthe friend knows?
Speaker 2 (37:28):
I don't think she knows.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Man, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
If you're the, ex, we'd have to share the Reddit on
on our page.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
yeah, we want people can can let us know that's crazy
, though that's a complicatedone yeah, well, that's it for
today.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
if you have a situation with drama, I love the
choosing guys.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
I love the choosing.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Send it to us on our Facebook.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Because we both read our emails on our Facebook.
I'm the only one.
If you just want to talk to me,send it on TikTok, but I never
open that.
But if you want to talk, to usboth.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
It's Facebook.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
I'm'm gonna be honest with you.
That's another thing that wewill both read the message, and
then we will message each otherto and summarize the email that
we both just read oh yeah, we dothat too yeah we do a lot of
dumb shit but not as dumb asthis ex or no, the friend yeah,
(38:40):
he doesn't seem like a genius.
I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
I mean, I just want to know the end game though,
like what's the, what's the planhere?
Speaker 2 (38:49):
like I'm gonna keep up with this post.
We're gonna keep up figuringthis out.
Something's gonna happensomething's gonna blow up for
sure, and so we're gonna knowand we're gonna let y'all know
and then hopefully we get morestories, because we love being
helpful and we like being yeah,this is like our service, a
(39:09):
little bit of what we do.
Anyways, we're just bringingthis into the podcast a little
bit.
Yeah, also, let us know whereyou stand on the Menendez
brothers, because Bianca and Iare like miles apart on that.
Who's right on that, or are weboth wrong?
Speaker 1 (39:25):
What do you think?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
I don't think we can both be wrong, but somewhat.
I think somebody is going todisagree with one of us.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
I have a feeling it's me, but that's it for today.
Thank you for joining us.
We will talk to you next week.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Bye guys.
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