October 10, 2024 • 32 mins
After navigating some personal challenges, including a family bereavement, we are back with a deeply personal episode exploring the compelling and tragic story of David Koresh and the Branch Davidians. Discover the unique belief systems of this group, rooted in their Seventh-Day Adventist origins, and how these beliefs set them apart from mainstream religious practices. With a personal connection to Waco through frequent travels, I bring you firsthand insights from my visits to the infamous compound, which still harbors cult members. This episode promises to shed light on a dark chapter in history, touching on intricate themes of belief, leadership, and redemption.
We'll revisit the harrowing events of the Waco siege and its far-reaching aftermath, including the Oklahoma City bombing, through the lens of personal anecdotes and historical exploration. Delve into the charismatic sway of cult leaders like Koresh, paralleled with local figures such as Rasmus, and reflect on the bizarre political climate during the Trump and Clinton election period. A chance meeting with a woman who lived through the Waco tragedy reveals her unwavering belief in Koresh and offers unique perspectives on the past. Together, we question the rationale behind choices made during the siege, all while admitting our limited understanding of gun laws. Join us for this thought-provoking exploration of faith, leadership, and the enduring impact of a cult's tragic legacy.
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
Hey today yeah, so this is a surprise episode.
Bianca doesn't know I have noidea um, and actually I do want
to address that we didn'trelease our episode on time I
didn't I didn't release.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I'm gonna take responsibility but if you guys
go to david's page you'rebasically gonna see the reason
he has been busy.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
It's there was there was a death in my family.
Yeah, and so we have dealt withthat.
We're back on track, or we'reat least trying to.
Life's been hitting us prettyhard for the last summer since
summer, um but we're pushingthrough.
We are gonna record thisepisode and surprise surprise,
(01:02):
surprise we are gonna have ourone year anniversary coming up.
Yeah, um so um, next, well,actually, so we're gonna publish
this.
I'm gonna publish this tonight,yeah, um, to make up, to make
up for last week not being there, and, and then I'm going to
(01:23):
publish our one year anniversary.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
On the day of On Friday.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
So we'll get back on track that way.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Yeah, it makes sense.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
We're going to work a lot tonight.
There's episodes.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
There's episodes coming.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yes, we're still in business.
We're still alive, stillkicking, hopefully.
I have been doing a lot ofdoctor shit.
Um yeah, but I'm getting better, so, um, there's that today's
episode.
Stop bitching.
Today's episode is about davidkoresh and the branch davidians,
(02:01):
while we've been away becausewe haven't really seen each
other in person for like twoweeks we hardly talk.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
You just told me about the family thing.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
So we've been dealing with real life.
Haven't talked much about theshow for a little while.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
But as we've been away, I realized that this is a
subject that I know an enormousamount and I don't know why I
never proposed it as an episodebefore.
So David Koresh was a cultleader and the Branch Davidians
were a cult in Waco, texas.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Now a little kind of related, unrelated.
It's not that far of relatedunrelated it's not that far, but
it's not that far.
So you know, my family lives infort worth, right, yeah.
And so when I drive up there,waco is kind of where you kind
of reach your limits of just astraight drive.
So you, I often take a break inwaco, and so they have a taco
(03:04):
Cabana there, they have a bunchof stuff.
So I know Waco pretty well.
Right, it's the home of BaylorUniversity, so there's some cool
stuff to do in there.
The Texas Ranger Museum isthere, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
One of the times going up I went to the Branch
Davidian compound, which isstill there and still has cult
members.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
So let me tell you the story starting from the
beginning, and then even moreabout what I know now, having
been there.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Okay, okay, let me ask Were you ever part of this?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
No.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
This cult?
Just asking, you know, becauseyou're a jehovah's witness.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yes, that is a different cult I'm just asking
you have a thing for cults yeah,I don't mean to have a thing
for cults, but I cannot arguewith you, right, right, so okay,
anyway, there is a religioncalled the Seventh-Day
Adventists, okay.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Seventh-Day Adventists.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah, what.
Yeah, so they're you know how,when people, so what do you?
Speaker 1 (04:14):
call them Seventh-Dayers.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
They call them something like that, seventh-day
Adventists, I don't know.
But so this is the whole kindof thing.
So you know how religions breakup and break up and break up,
right, right.
And so Jehovah's Witnessesoriginally were a different
religion and they broke off andthey started their own religion.
That happens all over the place, right?
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Right.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
And the Seventh-day Adventists broke off a long time
ago and their big hiccup.
And it's in the name, theSeventh Day Adventist.
When I say the Sabbath, whatday do you think of when you
think of the Sabbath?
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Saturday.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Okay, and you think that you personally think that
because Spanish, Spanish, SabadoWait wait, wait.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
What the fuck is this ?
Am I getting profiled?
What's going on?
I'm just saying Spanish Sabado.
Wait, wait, wait.
What the fuck is this?
Am I getting profiled?
What's going on?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I'm just saying it makes sense to somebody who
speaks Spanish like you do.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
We're like in the valley, it's like nearby, right
right.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
But for the rest of the country, right, the Sabbath
is Sunday.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Okay, right, so what's your point?
Speaker 2 (05:22):
They go to church on Sunday.
So okay, right, so what's yourpoint?
Speaker 1 (05:26):
they go to church on sunday.
So these, this group of people,catholics too, christians too,
what do you mean?
Speaker 2 (05:30):
most of them, but this is the thing okay, so the
seventh day adventist.
Look at the seven days that godsupposedly built the whole
universe right okay he rested onthe seventh day right.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Right.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
And he instructed everybody to also rest on the
seventh day.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Oh.
Right, and so when they madelaws, so that's why Chick-fil-A
closes on Sunday, right?
Oh, my fucking God.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
No, yes.
That's why, 100% yes.
That is why what the fuck?
Speaker 1 (06:05):
I'm only fucking 24 and I'm finding this shit out.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Yes, so that is where they got that from God.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
I hate you sometimes Because why the fuck would you
do that?
Close chick play on Sundays,man, what the fuck is wrong with
him?
Speaker 2 (06:19):
So this is the thing right, this is the thing, that's
another episode.
For the seventh day?
Adventists they think or theyknow, I guess that the seventh
day is actually Saturday, right?
When you start on Sunday,that's day one, not day seven,
right?
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
So for seventh day Adventists they rest, but on
Saturday, right.
So in their religion they'renot allowed to work.
They're not allowed.
This is in the Bible, right.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Allegedly.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I've read the Bible and the Bible says on the
seventh day, you're not supposedto work.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
But there's a battle between Sunday and Saturday.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Right, so seventh day Adventists.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
That's fucking stupid Okay.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Seventh day Adventists, I would pick.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Saturday, for sure I mean.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
But this is what seventh day Adventists say.
Is that if you're following areligion that can't even get
Saturday or Sunday right, whyare you going to risk your
eternity following them whenthey can't get such a simple
thing right?
Oh so they started their ownreligion starting with we rest
(07:34):
on saturday, not all these falsereligions, point blank, fuck
y'all right.
Yeah, y'all are all falsereligions because you're doing
god's will wrong, etc.
Etc.
Etc.
Yeah, and so this is a fairlymainstream religion.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
You know what I think .
I'm going to join this cult.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah, so that is not the cult.
That is not the cult, but thereis a reason I'm talking about
it Okay.
And there is a piece of thatchurch, the Seventh-day
Adventist, which is a mainstreamchurch, so it's not quite
Catholics and Baptists, but it'sgot a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Right.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Right, it's a big church Like.
I know a person who goes to it,totally normal guy, right.
Well, a group breaks off fromthem.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
And they call themselves the branch davidians,
okay, and they build a compoundin waco right, and so they have
a very charismatic leader.
Like you do, right, when youhave a cult, his name, he goes
by.
I should say he goes by DavidKoresh right.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Surprise, surprise, it's David Montemayor.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
And so the David.
I don't know if you know thispart, but in the Bible I don't
fucking know shit.
So in the Bible, jesus was anancestor of David, king David
from Israel, oh, okay, Okay, onboth sides of his family.
So Joseph and Mary were bothancestors of King David.
So David's like super importantin the lineage of Jesus, right?
(09:08):
So David Koresh takes that ashis first name, and then Koresh
is kind of a weird way to spellChrist.
So he's David, christ, rightthis?
Speaker 1 (09:20):
is what he decides to do.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
This is the way his little mind works right, this is
what he decides to do.
This is the way his little mindworks, right, this guy?
So he knows the Bible back andforth.
He starts to convince peoplethat he knows God's word and
then that he is the secondprophet, right, right, and he's
the second coming of Jesus.
Right, he's Jesus again, butlike the second version.
(09:41):
And so this is what he tellshis followers, what his mission
is here, because this is not theend of days yet.
So what is Jesus doing here?
He came here to sin.
Yeah, he came here to sin sothat he understands on judgment
(10:02):
day, what humans went through,and is a better judge on
judgment day.
So he needs to sleep with allthese women.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Damn.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
He drinks, he does all the stuff that you're not
supposed to do, right, he doesit, so he can judge correctly.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Right, he does it, so he can judge correctly.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Right Later Right.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
So he can execute.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Right.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Makes sense.
Yeah, it's not a bad gig.
Yeah, in fact, if I was goingto start a cult right.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Allegedly.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
And I don't have plans just yet.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
But that's a good plan, right like, I'm sorry, I
have as much sex as possible.
Real recognizes real.
Let's just say, right, right,that's true, that's how.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Let's just say that, yes, yes, great minds think a
lot the sad thing is is I wouldnot have thought of that.
I would have tried my best tobe good and then like, do bad
shit with nobody knowing thisguy didn't do bad shit without
people knowing he was.
Like I came here to do bad youguys know, and I'm gonna do yeah
(11:09):
, yeah, I am, and if you, guys,do it's on you guys, yeah and so
he literally, he literally, inhis church, was like hey, real
quick, I'm gonna fuck your wifetonight yeah, and he would sleep
with people's wives, becausethat was what he was here for,
right and so it's just crazy,right?
So if you back up a little bit,there was a family that lived
(11:35):
in this place.
They called Ruby Ridge and RubyRidge was this family had a
whole bunch of guns.
So they were like what do youcall those survivalist people
the preppers?
Speaker 1 (11:48):
I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
They like they're.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Like from the Walking Dead.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Well, kind of Like they're already ready for the
Walking Dead.
They live in the country, theylive in the mountains and they
make their own food.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
So people found out somehow I don't know how, they
found out that they had a wholebunch of guns.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Oh shit.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Right.
So the ATF, which is thealcohol, tobacco and firearms
people went to go take awaytheir guns.
Well, the guy was like no, no,I bought these guns these are my
guns.
So there ends up being thisstandoff and I don't know the
(12:31):
whole story.
We probably could do him in thestate or, yeah, the atf, like
they put the whole militaryaround the house right, got it,
got it and so he's.
It's a man and a wife, and thenthey have a little boy uh-huh
and so this is like a big blackeye in the atf world, right?
um, they end up, I believe,killing the wife, but like it's
(12:56):
like an accident or something,they shoot her right, and so
what happens is clearly the atfwas in the wrong as far as at
least shooting the wife like shewas just in her house and they
just shot her okay right.
So then these kind of peoplethat are like the gun rights
(13:18):
people but like way on the crazyside.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Right.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Started to get super upset about this.
At the same time, the BranchDavidians are stockpiling
weapons.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Oh shit.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
So remember I told you that he does a Jesus a
little bit different.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
He's a narc.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
He does the passive part different too.
Okay, he does the passive partdifferent too.
Okay, so in the Bible they talkabout how the government is
going to turn on God's people.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Ah shit.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Well, he decides we're not going to go quietly
when that happens.
Right, so they startstockpiling weapons.
What, right?
So now fast forward a littlebit.
And this is in the shadow ofthis Ruby Ridge situation where
they killed this woman, right?
Right?
So now fast forward a littlebit.
And this is in the shadow ofthis Ruby Ridge situation where
they killed this woman, right.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Right.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Now they come and they want to take his guns, and
again he's like no, no, no, no,those are my guns, right, right.
So there starts to be a protestbecause the military wants the
guns.
They're locked up in the houseand these people one of which
ends up doing the oklahoma citybombing is they're protesting.
(14:30):
Let them keep their guns ohshit, right, this becomes a big,
huge thing.
So they have a huge farmhousewhere everybody lives.
They go to school, they go tochurch in this huge compound,
right?
right and so there's like thestandoff and it lasts a really
long time and it's like on tvevery day, like they just like
(14:51):
updates, right they're stillstanding yeah, they bring tanks.
I mean it's crazy.
Yeah, so there's tanks and allthis stuff, and so they cut off
their electricity.
They cut off all their stuff.
They're blaring music at them.
I forgot what it was.
It was something silly thatthey were like blaring at them,
like Motley Crue or something tokeep them up.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
I don't know who the fuck is that.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
It's an old 80s band, but they were trying to keep
them up 24 hours a day to makethem go crazy to come out.
Some people snuck out, somepeople left.
Eventually they like try tosneak in and the branch davidian
starts shooting and they kill afrom the atf is that they went
(15:46):
to go throw in like tear gasokay right.
So they get the tank and theyram the house.
So the cannon part, the cannongoes in my dog's barking.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
The cannon goes like that the cannon goes into the
house, right, right.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
And then the house catches on fire.
Okay, full of kids, full ofwomen.
Oh shit, a bunch of people arein this house.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
But it was just and now it's on fire.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Well, they said it was.
That's why I said it that way,because that part isn't 100 sure
because on the atf side theywere like we just put tear gas
and they lit the tear gas onfire.
I don't know right.
And then on the branch civilianside, like I said, they're
still alive they said is yourphone connected, bro?
(16:42):
I guess so and so on the BranchSavinian side they said that
they set the fire right.
So to be honest with you, bothcould be true.
I don't know.
I wasn't there.
I mean I did watch it because Iwas in college.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Sometimes we do believe the government,
sometimes we don't.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
But long story short, the house did catch on fire,
yeah Right, and people weredying, and so they had this, uh,
like a school bus, okay, buriedin the ground for what?
So it was their escape hatch,right.
So they had it to where, likethere was a tunnel underground
(17:31):
where they could get into thebus and then come out.
Like it was like a tunnel, the,the bus was used like a tunnel.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Right.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
So the ground won't collapse.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Right.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Right.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
So they put all the little kids in the tank, I mean
in the bus, like to get out.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Right.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
To get out Right.
So it's full of little kids andright before they get out they
run over everything with tanks.
Oh To crush them inside ofthere Shit.
And so they don't get out andthey all die, Right Right.
So David Koresh ends up havingsomebody shoot him in the head,
(18:13):
so he dies too.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Man.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
This place is on fire for like days, right, and so
this ends up being another blackguy.
This is during I don't know ifyou remember hillary clinton,
right, this was during billclinton, when he was president.
What?
Yeah, so pretty far back, right?
I wasn't even born yet yeah,right, and I was in college, but
(18:36):
not when we were in collegetogether when I dropped.
I don't even know if it was thefirst time, it might have been
the second time.
Anyway, so I watched it on TVduring my lunch.
But long story short right.
This is another black guy inATF, right.
Added to that, Like I said, theguy who was there I'm trying to
(19:01):
think of what his name was endsup doing the Oklahoma City
bombing, which was the ATF'sheadquarters.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
And he killed like 100 and something.
People blew up the whole sideof the building including those
employees' employees daycare,which they had their own daycare
for their own kids.
He killed all their kids andeverything.
It was terrible.
Um um.
Timothy mcveigh was the name ofthe guy.
He was there at the wacoprotesting in favor of the
(19:35):
branch davidians.
So fast forward to recently.
This is before we started thepodcast.
But I end up in waco and Idon't want to drive anymore and
I kind of seen enough tacocabana to last me right and so
I'm like let's go see what thisplace looks like, right?
(19:55):
So I drive out there expectingto see like a field with a
monument or something.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Or just a field.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Or a field.
They're still there.
The cult is still there.
So I drive up.
I'm a friendly guy.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Right.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
I'm a friendly guy.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Even though people don't see you as friendly.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
but you're a friendly guy, it's true, they don't see
me like that.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Anyways.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
I get the cops called on me a lot.
Long story short.
But so I go in and they have anew church because they burned
everything down.
Right, they have a new churchand I walk in and they're trying
to get their Seventh DayAdventist kind of credibility
back.
Okay day adventist kind ofcredibility back, okay, and so
(20:47):
they have pictures of the kindof like the pope, of the seventh
day adventist right okay,because there's been several,
just like cactics have hadseveral leaders right like.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
But how do they change them like after they die?
Speaker 2 (20:55):
I think so?
I think because they're.
They go way back right, okay,and there, and there are several
pictures.
Well, they count David Koreshin there.
Okay, as one of their leaders.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
They don't call him David Koresh anymore.
They call him by his real name,which I don't remember right
off the bat, but they say thathis leadership was a test from
God.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
God damn it.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
And that they failed at that time and that they're
working their way back toredemption because he was a
false prophet leader that theyfell for.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Basically they barely found out yeah, yeah, the hard
way yeah, yeah so they haveeverybody buried there.
So who picks the next leader?
Like who stands up to it, like,yeah, you're next.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Yeah, so I don't know how that happens.
I know in David Koresh'ssituation.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Do they do like a raffle thingy, or do they paper
rock scissors?
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, I'm not sure.
I know that when David Koreshbecame the leader he kind of
forced his way in Because he hadlike before he was the leader.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Okay, but that's the thing, what made him win the
spot.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
So in his case, yeah, imagine I'm just curious.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
you know like what type of leadership he had.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Yeah, so they had a leader right, obviously when he
was in that church.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
He was starting, right he was a regular person.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Well, he started to preach kind of on the side and
get a few people behind him.
And that started to grow Hiscrew, and then they eventually
kicked the other guy out, andnow he's in charge.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
And so, like I said, he was like a very charismatic.
So he was yeah, he would gointo town.
Everybody knew him.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Like he was a friendly.
I'm trying to think I guess hewould be like a Rasmus, like
everybody knows who Rasmus is,right, yeah, I mean love him or
hate him, everybody knows who heis.
Yeah, you know who he is, andso it was Car scooter.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
They know who the fuck it is.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
He had, he had he had that kind of a personality,
everybody just knew he wasaccessible, et cetera.
Not to say that Erasmus was acult leader or anything.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
I would never say that.
It's just an example to get avisual.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
As a popular person in our area and so what would
describe David Right?
Right, yes, and so so.
So he kind of forced his way in, right.
So they have an area like amemorial and they have all the
people who died that at thatscene, I guess, uh, names on
(23:36):
bricks.
Okay, and in order to preventpeople from like worshiping
david koresh, they put hisoriginal name, not his.
They don't put david koresh,they put his real name, which I
don't remember what it wasanyways this is the fucked up
part.
There's a few fucked up partiescoming right.
(23:57):
Number one when I went, it waswas when Trump and Hillary were
going.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Debating.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Like who's going to be president, right when Trump
eventually won.
When I went, they hated Hillaryand I don't know if it's
because her husband waspresident when all of this
happened Probably Maybe.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
I don't know More than likely.
Yeah, Knowing the history.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Yeah, probably, maybe I don't know.
Likely, yeah, but knowing thehistory, yeah, they had the
craziest leadership or or notleadership literature about her
and how she eats babies and likejust crazy shit like tiktok
stories yeah, yeah, but like inreal life, right yeah, yeah and
so I'm there and I'm talking tothe lady and she is crazy, right
(24:43):
, and I'm not talking about theHillary stuff, she's just crazy
in general.
Like she's talking about DavidKoresh and how he was a test and
how we're better now, butthere's people, I think, that
are in jail and that they needto be freed.
Like it's weird, right, and thechurch is real weird, like it's
like from I was going to sayLittle House on the Prairie, but
(25:04):
I don't think you know whatthat is.
No, it's like an old barn, okay, and it's like this is where
you have your church.
Like I'm used to like Catholicchurches with golden diamonds.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Yeah, this is like a barn AC.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Right, and this is like a barn, ac Right, and this
is like did you build this byyourself, lady?
You know like it's not a fancyplace and she's like she's going
off about.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
How proud she is.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Well, about the fire and the killing and all this
stuff and how unfair it is andall this stuff.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
But she was there when it happened.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Yes, she was there, Like she was there, and she's
still mad about all this stuff.
And then she says that's why weleft the school bus with all
the people inside of it, what?
So that you can go see, andthat the world is gonna see, and
that it's still there and thatthey did this to us, and so
(25:59):
where the whole compound was,it's just flat.
Yeah, like it burned,everything burned.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Right.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
And they put this little church and then they have
these stacks of bricks wherethe monument is in the front,
but then when you go out thereit looks like they buried a pool
, you know like filled it inwith dirt.
And the bus is still there,like they're leaving it as it in
with dirt and the bus is stillthere Like they're leaving it as
it is.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Yeah, they never took the bodies out.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
She said they didn't what the fuck.
But she says it in a way so youguys can learn.
So you can see what you did, Ididn't do shit lady.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Like I was a little kid.
Y'all could just give it upLike, yeah, yeah, turn in the
guns, that's it.
This is the thing.
You know what?
That was a test on you, bitch.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Right, this is the thing, and I mean, this is what
I don't get.
And maybe I'm naive in this, Idon't know, but if you have a
bunch of guns like I have, thereare certain things that I have
a lot of right.
Yeah, but that's fucked up, butthis is what I'm saying.
We're agreeing that it's fuckedup, right yeah yeah, for sure,
but this is where I'm at Like,let's say like, I have a Lego
(27:08):
collection.
Right, I have a Lego collection, an extensive Lego collection.
The government came and theysaid you know what?
You have way too many Legos.
We're going to take these Legosfrom you, right?
I'd be like you know what?
Fuck y'all, I'm going to buythem more when you're done, when
y'all leave, I'm buying more.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Right, I got a group of friends that can buy me more.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
They can keep them on the side, or and so I don't
understand, like I'm notsentimental enough to fight for
things, and I feel like if I hada gun and you wanted my gun,
like the government came andsaid, hey, we don't do that gun
anymore, you can't have that gun, the barrel's too long, take it
(27:48):
, I'll get another fucking gun,you know?
Speaker 1 (27:51):
like that's how I mean there was a bunch of people
like not all the guns weren'tunder his name, wasn't?
Speaker 2 (27:57):
it.
Oh yeah, I mean, I don't know,I think they, I don't know, this
is the thing we don't know gunlaws guys with this story.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
It doesn't make sense with this story.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
There is a lot that doesn't make sense and it feels
like the government was notcompletely honest also but they
do say, like some of these gunswere illegal, they were stolen,
they were all kind.
They have all these stories tojustify why they were there.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Okay, so that part I kind of understand, because if
the dude was doing the sins,what?
Speaker 2 (28:27):
if one of them was killing or you know something, I
mean it's not out of thequestion.
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
He had to do something like that At least to
prove his authority as well.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Yeah, I mean he could have.
I don't think he was there yet,but I mean it's not out of the
question.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Right, I mean he ordered someone to shot him.
Like to shoot him.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah, and that was actually.
People looked down at him atthat, like all your other people
burned and you didn't want toburn, so you took the easy way
out.
Blah, blah, blah.
I don't know.
Dying is dying, I guess, but Idon't know.
And they were also like hecouldn't kill himself.
He had to have one of hispeople kill him.
Yeah, it's a lot of judgment onhim and I guess.
(29:13):
But who killed him?
It was like his right hand man.
He had a.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
He had like but he died too I don't remember if we
need to get his version of thestory.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Yeah, he's probably there, he was probably there
when I was there.
Uh, because it is a weird placeand it's not exactly in town,
like it's out of town, um, butit is a very interesting group
of people and it is a very weirdstory.
So before we sign off, we dohave an update.
(29:45):
We did an episode a while backabout the space cult in wesleyco
yeah well, they had a firerecently.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
We keep, we keep forgetting mechanic because they
wouldn't pay it with any Idon't know why there was a fire,
but this is what I heard didyou hear about this?
Yeah, yeah, you showed me thepost where it was caught on fire
, but it didn't say like whathappened, or so this is all I
know, right, I know that therewas a fire.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
There's a few buildings on that piece of land
premises yeah and one of themcaught on fire, but they are so
private they wouldn't let thefire department get in what the?
Fuck, they wouldn't let themget in.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
So what?
They just threw water from theoutside they threw it over the
fence man I would have let themburn.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
I'm like bitch if you don't tell me what's going on,
I'm not gonna fucking help youthat is an update that I've been
meaning to do for a littlewhile, because that happened a
while back that's fucking weirdso that's the thing with cults.
They're weird, like that's kindof built in so um hopefully
nobody got hurt, right.
But right, and that's the thingis that we don't even know
(30:56):
who's there anymore.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Right, we know this lady we know this lady's selling
honey there yeah, somebody'sthere.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Somebody started the fire, but their leader hasn't
been seen in a very long timethat's so I don't know that
would.
Maybe they didn't want anybodyin because his dead body is
there, or something Shit.
I mean, I'm speculating.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Allegedly I don't know anything.
We're just talking shit, guys.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
We're talking, we're thinking out loud.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
I think that's what we're here for.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
I'm not halfway for Loco, but yeah, kind of.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Yeah yeah, that was not the plan, by the way, but
stay tuned, we're going to berecording our anniversary
episode.
We made it a year.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
We're still growing.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
We're still growing.
We're figuring some stuff out.
Yeah, hopefully we can build acommunity here of like-minded
individuals and people.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Because, remember guys, great minds think alike.
Yeah, hopefully we can build acommunity here of like-minded
individuals and get, and people,because, remember guys, great
minds think alike.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
That's it for today.
Thank you for listening, asalways, and we will see you all
soon.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Bye guys.
Hey today yeah, so this is a surprise episode.
Bianca doesn't know I have noidea um, and actually I do want
to address that we didn'trelease our episode on time I
didn't I didn't release.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I'm gonna take responsibility but if you guys
go to david's page you'rebasically gonna see the reason
he has been busy.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
It's there was there was a death in my family.
Yeah, and so we have dealt withthat.
We're back on track, or we'reat least trying to.
Life's been hitting us prettyhard for the last summer since
summer, um but we're pushingthrough.
We are gonna record thisepisode and surprise surprise,
(01:02):
surprise we are gonna have ourone year anniversary coming up.
Yeah, um so um, next, well,actually, so we're gonna publish
this.
I'm gonna publish this tonight,yeah, um, to make up, to make
up for last week not being there, and, and then I'm going to
(01:23):
publish our one year anniversary.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
On the day of On Friday.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
So we'll get back on track that way.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Yeah, it makes sense.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
We're going to work a lot tonight.
There's episodes.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
There's episodes coming.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yes, we're still in business.
We're still alive, stillkicking, hopefully.
I have been doing a lot ofdoctor shit.
Um yeah, but I'm getting better, so, um, there's that today's
episode.
Stop bitching.
Today's episode is about davidkoresh and the branch davidians,
(02:01):
while we've been away becausewe haven't really seen each
other in person for like twoweeks we hardly talk.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
You just told me about the family thing.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
So we've been dealing with real life.
Haven't talked much about theshow for a little while.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
But as we've been away, I realized that this is a
subject that I know an enormousamount and I don't know why I
never proposed it as an episodebefore.
So David Koresh was a cultleader and the Branch Davidians
were a cult in Waco, texas.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Now a little kind of related, unrelated.
It's not that far of relatedunrelated it's not that far, but
it's not that far.
So you know, my family lives infort worth, right, yeah.
And so when I drive up there,waco is kind of where you kind
of reach your limits of just astraight drive.
So you, I often take a break inwaco, and so they have a taco
(03:04):
Cabana there, they have a bunchof stuff.
So I know Waco pretty well.
Right, it's the home of BaylorUniversity, so there's some cool
stuff to do in there.
The Texas Ranger Museum isthere, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
One of the times going up I went to the Branch
Davidian compound, which isstill there and still has cult
members.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
So let me tell you the story starting from the
beginning, and then even moreabout what I know now, having
been there.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Okay, okay, let me ask Were you ever part of this?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
No.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
This cult?
Just asking, you know, becauseyou're a jehovah's witness.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yes, that is a different cult I'm just asking
you have a thing for cults yeah,I don't mean to have a thing
for cults, but I cannot arguewith you, right, right, so okay,
anyway, there is a religioncalled the Seventh-Day
Adventists, okay.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Seventh-Day Adventists.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah, what.
Yeah, so they're you know how,when people, so what do you?
Speaker 1 (04:14):
call them Seventh-Dayers.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
They call them something like that, seventh-day
Adventists, I don't know.
But so this is the whole kindof thing.
So you know how religions breakup and break up and break up,
right, right.
And so Jehovah's Witnessesoriginally were a different
religion and they broke off andthey started their own religion.
That happens all over the place, right?
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Right.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
And the Seventh-day Adventists broke off a long time
ago and their big hiccup.
And it's in the name, theSeventh Day Adventist.
When I say the Sabbath, whatday do you think of when you
think of the Sabbath?
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Saturday.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Okay, and you think that you personally think that
because Spanish, Spanish, SabadoWait wait, wait.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
What the fuck is this ?
Am I getting profiled?
What's going on?
I'm just saying Spanish Sabado.
Wait, wait, wait.
What the fuck is this?
Am I getting profiled?
What's going on?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I'm just saying it makes sense to somebody who
speaks Spanish like you do.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
We're like in the valley, it's like nearby, right
right.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
But for the rest of the country, right, the Sabbath
is Sunday.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Okay, right, so what's your point?
Speaker 2 (05:22):
They go to church on Sunday.
So okay, right, so what's yourpoint?
Speaker 1 (05:26):
they go to church on sunday.
So these, this group of people,catholics too, christians too,
what do you mean?
Speaker 2 (05:30):
most of them, but this is the thing okay, so the
seventh day adventist.
Look at the seven days that godsupposedly built the whole
universe right okay he rested onthe seventh day right.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Right.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
And he instructed everybody to also rest on the
seventh day.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Oh.
Right, and so when they madelaws, so that's why Chick-fil-A
closes on Sunday, right?
Oh, my fucking God.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
No, yes.
That's why, 100% yes.
That is why what the fuck?
Speaker 1 (06:05):
I'm only fucking 24 and I'm finding this shit out.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Yes, so that is where they got that from God.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
I hate you sometimes Because why the fuck would you
do that?
Close chick play on Sundays,man, what the fuck is wrong with
him?
Speaker 2 (06:19):
So this is the thing right, this is the thing, that's
another episode.
For the seventh day?
Adventists they think or theyknow, I guess that the seventh
day is actually Saturday, right?
When you start on Sunday,that's day one, not day seven,
right?
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
So for seventh day Adventists they rest, but on
Saturday, right.
So in their religion they'renot allowed to work.
They're not allowed.
This is in the Bible, right.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Allegedly.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I've read the Bible and the Bible says on the
seventh day, you're not supposedto work.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
But there's a battle between Sunday and Saturday.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Right, so seventh day Adventists.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
That's fucking stupid Okay.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Seventh day Adventists, I would pick.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Saturday, for sure I mean.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
But this is what seventh day Adventists say.
Is that if you're following areligion that can't even get
Saturday or Sunday right, whyare you going to risk your
eternity following them whenthey can't get such a simple
thing right?
Oh so they started their ownreligion starting with we rest
(07:34):
on saturday, not all these falsereligions, point blank, fuck
y'all right.
Yeah, y'all are all falsereligions because you're doing
god's will wrong, etc.
Etc.
Etc.
Yeah, and so this is a fairlymainstream religion.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
You know what I think .
I'm going to join this cult.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah, so that is not the cult.
That is not the cult, but thereis a reason I'm talking about
it Okay.
And there is a piece of thatchurch, the Seventh-day
Adventist, which is a mainstreamchurch, so it's not quite
Catholics and Baptists, but it'sgot a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Right.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Right, it's a big church Like.
I know a person who goes to it,totally normal guy, right.
Well, a group breaks off fromthem.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
And they call themselves the branch davidians,
okay, and they build a compoundin waco right, and so they have
a very charismatic leader.
Like you do, right, when youhave a cult, his name, he goes
by.
I should say he goes by DavidKoresh right.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Surprise, surprise, it's David Montemayor.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
And so the David.
I don't know if you know thispart, but in the Bible I don't
fucking know shit.
So in the Bible, jesus was anancestor of David, king David
from Israel, oh, okay, Okay, onboth sides of his family.
So Joseph and Mary were bothancestors of King David.
So David's like super importantin the lineage of Jesus, right?
(09:08):
So David Koresh takes that ashis first name, and then Koresh
is kind of a weird way to spellChrist.
So he's David, christ, rightthis?
Speaker 1 (09:20):
is what he decides to do.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
This is the way his little mind works right, this is
what he decides to do.
This is the way his little mindworks, right, this guy?
So he knows the Bible back andforth.
He starts to convince peoplethat he knows God's word and
then that he is the secondprophet, right, right, and he's
the second coming of Jesus.
Right, he's Jesus again, butlike the second version.
(09:41):
And so this is what he tellshis followers, what his mission
is here, because this is not theend of days yet.
So what is Jesus doing here?
He came here to sin.
Yeah, he came here to sin sothat he understands on judgment
(10:02):
day, what humans went through,and is a better judge on
judgment day.
So he needs to sleep with allthese women.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Damn.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
He drinks, he does all the stuff that you're not
supposed to do, right, he doesit, so he can judge correctly.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Right, he does it, so he can judge correctly.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Right Later Right.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
So he can execute.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Right.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Makes sense.
Yeah, it's not a bad gig.
Yeah, in fact, if I was goingto start a cult right.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Allegedly.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
And I don't have plans just yet.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
But that's a good plan, right like, I'm sorry, I
have as much sex as possible.
Real recognizes real.
Let's just say, right, right,that's true, that's how.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Let's just say that, yes, yes, great minds think a
lot the sad thing is is I wouldnot have thought of that.
I would have tried my best tobe good and then like, do bad
shit with nobody knowing thisguy didn't do bad shit without
people knowing he was.
Like I came here to do bad youguys know, and I'm gonna do yeah
(11:09):
, yeah, I am, and if you, guys,do it's on you guys, yeah and so
he literally, he literally, inhis church, was like hey, real
quick, I'm gonna fuck your wifetonight yeah, and he would sleep
with people's wives, becausethat was what he was here for,
right and so it's just crazy,right?
So if you back up a little bit,there was a family that lived
(11:35):
in this place.
They called Ruby Ridge and RubyRidge was this family had a
whole bunch of guns.
So they were like what do youcall those survivalist people
the preppers?
Speaker 1 (11:48):
I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
They like they're.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Like from the Walking Dead.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Well, kind of Like they're already ready for the
Walking Dead.
They live in the country, theylive in the mountains and they
make their own food.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
So people found out somehow I don't know how, they
found out that they had a wholebunch of guns.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Oh shit.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Right.
So the ATF, which is thealcohol, tobacco and firearms
people went to go take awaytheir guns.
Well, the guy was like no, no,I bought these guns these are my
guns.
So there ends up being thisstandoff and I don't know the
(12:31):
whole story.
We probably could do him in thestate or, yeah, the atf, like
they put the whole militaryaround the house right, got it,
got it and so he's.
It's a man and a wife, and thenthey have a little boy uh-huh
and so this is like a big blackeye in the atf world, right?
um, they end up, I believe,killing the wife, but like it's
(12:56):
like an accident or something,they shoot her right, and so
what happens is clearly the atfwas in the wrong as far as at
least shooting the wife like shewas just in her house and they
just shot her okay right.
So then these kind of peoplethat are like the gun rights
(13:18):
people but like way on the crazyside.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Right.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Started to get super upset about this.
At the same time, the BranchDavidians are stockpiling
weapons.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Oh shit.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
So remember I told you that he does a Jesus a
little bit different.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
He's a narc.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
He does the passive part different too.
Okay, he does the passive partdifferent too.
Okay, so in the Bible they talkabout how the government is
going to turn on God's people.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Ah shit.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Well, he decides we're not going to go quietly
when that happens.
Right, so they startstockpiling weapons.
What, right?
So now fast forward a littlebit.
And this is in the shadow ofthis Ruby Ridge situation where
they killed this woman, right?
Right?
So now fast forward a littlebit.
And this is in the shadow ofthis Ruby Ridge situation where
they killed this woman, right.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Right.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Now they come and they want to take his guns, and
again he's like no, no, no, no,those are my guns, right, right.
So there starts to be a protestbecause the military wants the
guns.
They're locked up in the houseand these people one of which
ends up doing the oklahoma citybombing is they're protesting.
(14:30):
Let them keep their guns ohshit, right, this becomes a big,
huge thing.
So they have a huge farmhousewhere everybody lives.
They go to school, they go tochurch in this huge compound,
right?
right and so there's like thestandoff and it lasts a really
long time and it's like on tvevery day, like they just like
(14:51):
updates, right they're stillstanding yeah, they bring tanks.
I mean it's crazy.
Yeah, so there's tanks and allthis stuff, and so they cut off
their electricity.
They cut off all their stuff.
They're blaring music at them.
I forgot what it was.
It was something silly thatthey were like blaring at them,
like Motley Crue or something tokeep them up.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
I don't know who the fuck is that.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
It's an old 80s band, but they were trying to keep
them up 24 hours a day to makethem go crazy to come out.
Some people snuck out, somepeople left.
Eventually they like try tosneak in and the branch davidian
starts shooting and they kill afrom the atf is that they went
(15:46):
to go throw in like tear gasokay right.
So they get the tank and theyram the house.
So the cannon part, the cannongoes in my dog's barking.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
The cannon goes like that the cannon goes into the
house, right, right.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
And then the house catches on fire.
Okay, full of kids, full ofwomen.
Oh shit, a bunch of people arein this house.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
But it was just and now it's on fire.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Well, they said it was.
That's why I said it that way,because that part isn't 100 sure
because on the atf side theywere like we just put tear gas
and they lit the tear gas onfire.
I don't know right.
And then on the branch civilianside, like I said, they're
still alive they said is yourphone connected, bro?
(16:42):
I guess so and so on the BranchSavinian side they said that
they set the fire right.
So to be honest with you, bothcould be true.
I don't know.
I wasn't there.
I mean I did watch it because Iwas in college.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Sometimes we do believe the government,
sometimes we don't.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
But long story short, the house did catch on fire,
yeah Right, and people weredying, and so they had this, uh,
like a school bus, okay, buriedin the ground for what?
So it was their escape hatch,right.
So they had it to where, likethere was a tunnel underground
(17:31):
where they could get into thebus and then come out.
Like it was like a tunnel, the,the bus was used like a tunnel.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Right.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
So the ground won't collapse.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Right.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Right.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
So they put all the little kids in the tank, I mean
in the bus, like to get out.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Right.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
To get out Right.
So it's full of little kids andright before they get out they
run over everything with tanks.
Oh To crush them inside ofthere Shit.
And so they don't get out andthey all die, Right Right.
So David Koresh ends up havingsomebody shoot him in the head,
(18:13):
so he dies too.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Man.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
This place is on fire for like days, right, and so
this ends up being another blackguy.
This is during I don't know ifyou remember hillary clinton,
right, this was during billclinton, when he was president.
What?
Yeah, so pretty far back, right?
I wasn't even born yet yeah,right, and I was in college, but
(18:36):
not when we were in collegetogether when I dropped.
I don't even know if it was thefirst time, it might have been
the second time.
Anyway, so I watched it on TVduring my lunch.
But long story short right.
This is another black guy inATF, right.
Added to that, Like I said, theguy who was there I'm trying to
(19:01):
think of what his name was endsup doing the Oklahoma City
bombing, which was the ATF'sheadquarters.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
And he killed like 100 and something.
People blew up the whole sideof the building including those
employees' employees daycare,which they had their own daycare
for their own kids.
He killed all their kids andeverything.
It was terrible.
Um um.
Timothy mcveigh was the name ofthe guy.
He was there at the wacoprotesting in favor of the
(19:35):
branch davidians.
So fast forward to recently.
This is before we started thepodcast.
But I end up in waco and Idon't want to drive anymore and
I kind of seen enough tacocabana to last me right and so
I'm like let's go see what thisplace looks like, right?
(19:55):
So I drive out there expectingto see like a field with a
monument or something.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Or just a field.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Or a field.
They're still there.
The cult is still there.
So I drive up.
I'm a friendly guy.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Right.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
I'm a friendly guy.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Even though people don't see you as friendly.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
but you're a friendly guy, it's true, they don't see
me like that.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Anyways.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
I get the cops called on me a lot.
Long story short.
But so I go in and they have anew church because they burned
everything down.
Right, they have a new churchand I walk in and they're trying
to get their Seventh DayAdventist kind of credibility
back.
Okay day adventist kind ofcredibility back, okay, and so
(20:47):
they have pictures of the kindof like the pope, of the seventh
day adventist right okay,because there's been several,
just like cactics have hadseveral leaders right like.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
But how do they change them like after they die?
Speaker 2 (20:55):
I think so?
I think because they're.
They go way back right, okay,and there, and there are several
pictures.
Well, they count David Koreshin there.
Okay, as one of their leaders.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
They don't call him David Koresh anymore.
They call him by his real name,which I don't remember right
off the bat, but they say thathis leadership was a test from
God.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
God damn it.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
And that they failed at that time and that they're
working their way back toredemption because he was a
false prophet leader that theyfell for.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Basically they barely found out yeah, yeah, the hard
way yeah, yeah so they haveeverybody buried there.
So who picks the next leader?
Like who stands up to it, like,yeah, you're next.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Yeah, so I don't know how that happens.
I know in David Koresh'ssituation.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Do they do like a raffle thingy, or do they paper
rock scissors?
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, I'm not sure.
I know that when David Koreshbecame the leader he kind of
forced his way in Because he hadlike before he was the leader.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Okay, but that's the thing, what made him win the
spot.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
So in his case, yeah, imagine I'm just curious.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
you know like what type of leadership he had.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Yeah, so they had a leader right, obviously when he
was in that church.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
He was starting, right he was a regular person.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Well, he started to preach kind of on the side and
get a few people behind him.
And that started to grow Hiscrew, and then they eventually
kicked the other guy out, andnow he's in charge.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
And so, like I said, he was like a very charismatic.
So he was yeah, he would gointo town.
Everybody knew him.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Like he was a friendly.
I'm trying to think I guess hewould be like a Rasmus, like
everybody knows who Rasmus is,right, yeah, I mean love him or
hate him, everybody knows who heis.
Yeah, you know who he is, andso it was Car scooter.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
They know who the fuck it is.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
He had, he had he had that kind of a personality,
everybody just knew he wasaccessible, et cetera.
Not to say that Erasmus was acult leader or anything.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
I would never say that.
It's just an example to get avisual.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
As a popular person in our area and so what would
describe David Right?
Right, yes, and so so.
So he kind of forced his way in, right.
So they have an area like amemorial and they have all the
people who died that at thatscene, I guess, uh, names on
(23:36):
bricks.
Okay, and in order to preventpeople from like worshiping
david koresh, they put hisoriginal name, not his.
They don't put david koresh,they put his real name, which I
don't remember what it wasanyways this is the fucked up
part.
There's a few fucked up partiescoming right.
(23:57):
Number one when I went, it waswas when Trump and Hillary were
going.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Debating.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Like who's going to be president, right when Trump
eventually won.
When I went, they hated Hillaryand I don't know if it's
because her husband waspresident when all of this
happened Probably Maybe.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
I don't know More than likely.
Yeah, Knowing the history.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Yeah, probably, maybe I don't know.
Likely, yeah, but knowing thehistory, yeah, they had the
craziest leadership or or notleadership literature about her
and how she eats babies and likejust crazy shit like tiktok
stories yeah, yeah, but like inreal life, right yeah, yeah and
so I'm there and I'm talking tothe lady and she is crazy, right
(24:43):
, and I'm not talking about theHillary stuff, she's just crazy
in general.
Like she's talking about DavidKoresh and how he was a test and
how we're better now, butthere's people, I think, that
are in jail and that they needto be freed.
Like it's weird, right, and thechurch is real weird, like it's
like from I was going to sayLittle House on the Prairie, but
(25:04):
I don't think you know whatthat is.
No, it's like an old barn, okay, and it's like this is where
you have your church.
Like I'm used to like Catholicchurches with golden diamonds.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Yeah, this is like a barn AC.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Right, and this is like a barn, ac Right, and this
is like did you build this byyourself, lady?
You know like it's not a fancyplace and she's like she's going
off about.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
How proud she is.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Well, about the fire and the killing and all this
stuff and how unfair it is andall this stuff.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
But she was there when it happened.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Yes, she was there, Like she was there, and she's
still mad about all this stuff.
And then she says that's why weleft the school bus with all
the people inside of it, what?
So that you can go see, andthat the world is gonna see, and
that it's still there and thatthey did this to us, and so
(25:59):
where the whole compound was,it's just flat.
Yeah, like it burned,everything burned.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Right.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
And they put this little church and then they have
these stacks of bricks wherethe monument is in the front,
but then when you go out thereit looks like they buried a pool
, you know like filled it inwith dirt.
And the bus is still there,like they're leaving it as it in
with dirt and the bus is stillthere Like they're leaving it as
it is.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Yeah, they never took the bodies out.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
She said they didn't what the fuck.
But she says it in a way so youguys can learn.
So you can see what you did, Ididn't do shit lady.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Like I was a little kid.
Y'all could just give it upLike, yeah, yeah, turn in the
guns, that's it.
This is the thing.
You know what?
That was a test on you, bitch.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Right, this is the thing, and I mean, this is what
I don't get.
And maybe I'm naive in this, Idon't know, but if you have a
bunch of guns like I have, thereare certain things that I have
a lot of right.
Yeah, but that's fucked up, butthis is what I'm saying.
We're agreeing that it's fuckedup, right yeah yeah, for sure,
but this is where I'm at Like,let's say like, I have a Lego
(27:08):
collection.
Right, I have a Lego collection, an extensive Lego collection.
The government came and theysaid you know what?
You have way too many Legos.
We're going to take these Legosfrom you, right?
I'd be like you know what?
Fuck y'all, I'm going to buythem more when you're done, when
y'all leave, I'm buying more.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Right, I got a group of friends that can buy me more.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
They can keep them on the side, or and so I don't
understand, like I'm notsentimental enough to fight for
things, and I feel like if I hada gun and you wanted my gun,
like the government came andsaid, hey, we don't do that gun
anymore, you can't have that gun, the barrel's too long, take it
(27:48):
, I'll get another fucking gun,you know?
Speaker 1 (27:51):
like that's how I mean there was a bunch of people
like not all the guns weren'tunder his name, wasn't?
Speaker 2 (27:57):
it.
Oh yeah, I mean, I don't know,I think they, I don't know, this
is the thing we don't know gunlaws guys with this story.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
It doesn't make sense with this story.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
There is a lot that doesn't make sense and it feels
like the government was notcompletely honest also but they
do say, like some of these gunswere illegal, they were stolen,
they were all kind.
They have all these stories tojustify why they were there.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Okay, so that part I kind of understand, because if
the dude was doing the sins,what?
Speaker 2 (28:27):
if one of them was killing or you know something, I
mean it's not out of thequestion.
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
He had to do something like that At least to
prove his authority as well.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Yeah, I mean he could have.
I don't think he was there yet,but I mean it's not out of the
question.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Right, I mean he ordered someone to shot him.
Like to shoot him.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah, and that was actually.
People looked down at him atthat, like all your other people
burned and you didn't want toburn, so you took the easy way
out.
Blah, blah, blah.
I don't know.
Dying is dying, I guess, but Idon't know.
And they were also like hecouldn't kill himself.
He had to have one of hispeople kill him.
Yeah, it's a lot of judgment onhim and I guess.
(29:13):
But who killed him?
It was like his right hand man.
He had a.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
He had like but he died too I don't remember if we
need to get his version of thestory.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Yeah, he's probably there, he was probably there
when I was there.
Uh, because it is a weird placeand it's not exactly in town,
like it's out of town, um, butit is a very interesting group
of people and it is a very weirdstory.
So before we sign off, we dohave an update.
(29:45):
We did an episode a while backabout the space cult in wesleyco
yeah well, they had a firerecently.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
We keep, we keep forgetting mechanic because they
wouldn't pay it with any Idon't know why there was a fire,
but this is what I heard didyou hear about this?
Yeah, yeah, you showed me thepost where it was caught on fire
, but it didn't say like whathappened, or so this is all I
know, right, I know that therewas a fire.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
There's a few buildings on that piece of land
premises yeah and one of themcaught on fire, but they are so
private they wouldn't let thefire department get in what the?
Fuck, they wouldn't let themget in.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
So what?
They just threw water from theoutside they threw it over the
fence man I would have let themburn.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
I'm like bitch if you don't tell me what's going on,
I'm not gonna fucking help youthat is an update that I've been
meaning to do for a littlewhile, because that happened a
while back that's fucking weirdso that's the thing with cults.
They're weird, like that's kindof built in so um hopefully
nobody got hurt, right.
But right, and that's the thingis that we don't even know
(30:56):
who's there anymore.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Right, we know this lady we know this lady's selling
honey there yeah, somebody'sthere.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Somebody started the fire, but their leader hasn't
been seen in a very long timethat's so I don't know that
would.
Maybe they didn't want anybodyin because his dead body is
there, or something Shit.
I mean, I'm speculating.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Allegedly I don't know anything.
We're just talking shit, guys.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
We're talking, we're thinking out loud.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
I think that's what we're here for.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
I'm not halfway for Loco, but yeah, kind of.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Yeah yeah, that was not the plan, by the way, but
stay tuned, we're going to berecording our anniversary
episode.
We made it a year.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
We're still growing.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
We're still growing.
We're figuring some stuff out.
Yeah, hopefully we can build acommunity here of like-minded
individuals and people.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Because, remember guys, great minds think alike.
Yeah, hopefully we can build acommunity here of like-minded
individuals and get, and people,because, remember guys, great
minds think alike.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
That's it for today.
Thank you for listening, asalways, and we will see you all
soon.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Bye guys.
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