September 20, 2024 • 29 mins
Was the Zodiac Killer hiding in plain sight as a police officer? This episode uncovers a shocking new theory from TikTok user jfoy 3.0, who claims his grandfather, Richard Hoffman, a former Vallejo cop, was the infamous murderer. We scrutinize the purported evidence, from handwriting similarities and suspicious behaviors to an eerie alignment with a surviving victim's testimony. Could Richard Hoffman's connections to the case provide the missing pieces that finally solve the Zodiac mystery? Dive into the unsettling details and decide for yourself.
We then take a chilling journey through the Zodiac Killer’s most notorious crimes, revealing the twisted mind behind the cryptic ciphers and brutal attacks. From the executioner-clad picnic stabbing to the cold-blooded murder of a taxi driver, we examine the killer’s psyche and possible motives. Listen as we recount how the Zodiac manipulated a woman into pulling over by tampering with her car, showcasing his sinister cunning. Finally, stay tuned for exciting news about our social media expansion, with Bianca potentially taking the helm of our TikTok account. Join us for a riveting discussion and the latest updates from our show!
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Speaker 1 (00:19):
Hey going bianca uh good, how are you recovering?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I'm doing better.
I had a doctor's appointmenttoday and I got four more
appointments when I left sothings might be going backwards.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
I'm not sure um, but I'm recording, I'm back I'm
working on my tiktok again sothe brain is, the brain is
functioning.
Oh shit, what the fuck did Isay?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
say I'm doing a little better.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
So I can still get better, and I will, I hope, but
Eventually.
I'm not as bad as I was.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Right, right right.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
So, having said all of that, what are we talking
about today?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Have you been on TikTok lately?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I have been on TikTok .
It's funny that you ask buthave you?
Speaker 1 (01:05):
seen.
No, no, yeah.
Like I know you're on TikTok,like I know you guys also, like
our followers should follow, ifthey're not following Celaco956,
right.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Uh-oh.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
The thing is that I was going through TikTok and
then there's this guy Mm-hmm.
The thing is that I was goingthrough TikTok, and then there's
this guy and he's just talkingabout, like, how he knows that
his grandfather was the Zodiackiller.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Right.
So, having done serial killersalready, and that being in our
kind of realm right of the show,I wanted to do the zodiac
killer from the beginning, butbut it was kind of any like
evidence on like it might bethis guy.
It might be this guy, but right,it's an old story that I do
(01:59):
feel like a lot of our fanswould already know, so I was
kind of reluctant yeah, becauseI mean all the evidence that we
have and we still haven't gottena name or a person like pinned
down, like you know what?
it's a 80 20 chance, right thatit's him right, and so this guy
just he's pretty sure of himselfyeah and so, for those of you
(02:22):
who haven't watched tiktok oraren't on tiktok, the handle of
the guy is jfoy 3.0, and sowe're going to start with that
story, because it kind of losessome air at the end.
Yeah, um, so we're going to gointo that and then we're going
to recap for anybody who doesn'tknow the details of the story,
(02:46):
like the history that was madeRight right right.
So, like I said, this kid, he'sa kid to me.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
He's about your fucking age.
Chill, the fuck out.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
So he's not a child, but he is saying.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Let's just say he's older than me and younger than
David.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I think that's accurate.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
I think that's the best way to say it.
That's a pinpoint right there.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
And he has his hat backwards and so he gives me kid
vibes he's giving me.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Teenager want to be vibes Right, and I'm not a
teenager Right.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
He does look older than you, though.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Okay, so he is saying , and he's pretty adamant, that
his grandfather, richard Hoffman, is the Zodiac and he has this
long playlist of him in a cartalking about this, and so we're
going to kind of save you sometime.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
And go through what he says.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
I mean TikTok is not that long, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
It's like 15 episodes , 15 videos on this.
And there's not a lot ofinformation, but I did the work,
you chopped it down, chopped itdown, and so this is what he's
saying.
So Richard Hoffman, hisgrandfather, was a police
officer for the Vallejo PoliceDepartment, which is where these
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murders were happening.
And so his quote unquoteevidence is that the handwriting
is similar.
Right, the misspelling.
Right, the Zodiac spelt untilwith two l's.
Yeah, and his grandfather didthe same thing.
(04:31):
Um, his grandfather also has areputation of being abusive,
right?
Um, there are clips, becausehis grandfather was involved.
He was a TikToker Well, he wason the news at the time.
That would be funny, butthere's videos of his
grandfather talking about theZodiac Killer, right, and it's a
(04:58):
little just surreal.
He doesn't seem like a cop, heseems like he's just a little
off.
It's weird because I I don'tknow if they don't tell you
which scene he's describing,right, but it's one of the
scenes he's he's with one of thevictims that they're trying to
(05:21):
revive, and I think it must bethe victim that he stabbed.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
That the Zodiac Killer stabbed Right.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
the Zodiac Killer stabbed, and so, while they're
ventilating them, air is comingout of the holes in their body.
And he's describing in a veryweird way the air coming out of
her body and playing with herbra a little bit, like the wind
is fluttering her bra, what?
(05:51):
And it's just kind of weird,like it just seems like a weird
observation.
And then, even if I did seethat I don't know if that's what
I'm saying to the news orwhoever was recording it just
seems a little weird.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
And then his description is similar I mean
he's a white guy, so he looks alittle bit like the way that
they talk about the ZodiacKiller.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Right.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Rumor has it that one of the victims she didn't die
right away, she died like fivedays later said his name was
richard.
So she knew who he was, andthis guy's named richard hoffman
, yeah, and so there's there'squite a few things kind of
pointing to him wasn't there onelike theory between cops that
(06:40):
well, between like investigators, that supposedly the killer
could have been a cop.
Right, right, right, right,yeah, so it was a little bit too
hard for the cops to catch him.
Right when they thought he musthave inside information or
something like that.
So, having doing some researchon this episode and I'm just
(07:02):
going to put a bow on this partof it Four episodes in or four
videos in, I guess netflix orsomebody contacts this guy on
tiktok, and so now he can'treally talk about anything, and
so now we have we're just 10videos about my new movie deal,
you know, and I'm writing amovie, you know, so it's kind of
(07:25):
like this isn't what we want.
I mean, I'm gonna watch some ofyou when it comes out, but yeah,
we're gonna support him but itwas kind of like I mean 15
videos he had to get money outof it yeah, it wasn't just gonna
be on.
Tiktok would pay, but he gotflix is gonna pay more shit
right, right right right and onthe spot and you pay me whatever
(07:45):
, I won't say shit and he goesinto detail about his own life
and he's a film major like hewent to school for film, so this
is right up his alley as aperson right just for me right
now on tiktok, I want to knowabout the zodiac, so I don't
give a shit about these otherepisodes, but that's how we came
(08:06):
up about talking about it.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
That's how it came out today, and so now we're
going to go backwards, we'rejust going to wait for the movie
guys See ya, no, anyway.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
so now going backwards, I start looking up
things right and I look upRichard Hoffman, right the name
of this guy, up things right,and I look up richard hoffman,
right the name of this guy turnsout years ago, before this
tiktok kid came out.
He's that kid.
Okay, a person came out rightpeople had gotten a partial dna
match from when he licked thestamps on the letters that he
(08:40):
mailed no and they had drawn aline to richard hoffman already
so he was a suspect he wasalready a suspect years ago and,
by the way, richard hoffmandied in 2020 what the fuck yeah,
so it the one of the questionsfor me and has always been,
(09:02):
before I knew any of this.
Why did he stop?
You know what I mean Hisgrandkid, huh.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
His grandkid.
Oh no, that's true.
No, the grandkid said that hehas memories of whenever.
I think one time he left thehouse.
I don't know some shit likethat.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Yeah, he has a bunch of weird stories.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
He has a bunch of videos like saying like the time
frames and all that, and heremembers everything like
clearly, yeah, which I don'tknow.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yeah, so Richard Hoffman was already a suspect.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Yeah, back in the day .
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Before this guy figured it out and started
making the videos.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yeah.
So I think if netflix isinvolved it's kind of like a
little bit of it's gonna likeopen the case like well, I don't
think it ever is it considereda cold case.
Was it closed?
What the fuck?
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I'm not sure and I'm gonna, I'm gonna go in are
people from cameron county, orwhere the fuck was this?
This was not in cameron county.
This is a little bit down theroad, down the road in vallejo,
california yeah, there so prettysure you got people that you
know over there back in the day.
So when I was younger I had abook original.
(10:13):
The first book that I got wascalled hunting humans and it was
an encyclopedia of serialkillers, and so that was kind of
my introduction.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Into serial killing.
Into serial killing.
How's it going so far?
And then the next book that Iread was a Zodiac Killer.
Wait, let's skip this question.
Yeah, what the fuck was that?
Allegedly Allegedly, it's beendoing okay.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yeah, Allegedly I'm not a serial killer.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Right.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
So in this book called Zodiac, and there's a
movie based on this book.
There is a guy called Arthur LeeAllen that is kind of put front
and center as the main suspect,Right, and so for years and
years and years, before thisRichard Hoffman name became so
(11:00):
prominent, this was the mainkiller or the main suspect.
Now, this guy, Arthur Lee Allen, was a teacher I think he
worked in a school and he wasconvicted of child molestation
and so like.
The evidence that kind of linkshim is the drawings, which were
(11:25):
kind of generic.
If we're honest, he did looklike that yeah he was the same
height, the same build, helooked very similar, his writing
was also very similar and hehad a zodiac watch, which was
what one of the victims said theguy was wearing.
Okay, and so there was a lot ofthings pointing to this In the
(11:45):
book.
If I remember correctly, theyeven said the Zodiac was in two
different cars depending on themurders, and this guy had the
same two cars.
So it looked like it was him,yeah Right.
Like it was him, yeah right.
So fast forward to like 2020around more recently so that guy
(12:10):
actually died in the 90s, ifI'm right okay, yeah, yeah so I
think it's 2020, ish one of theciphers.
So so well, let's go back alittle bit.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
So we can go forward or we go backwards.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
We can know the, what the this guy does, right, okay,
and so, um, on december 20th,um, two people were killed there
as like a lover's lane, right,right, and he just shoots them
Right, and it's very evident atleast as an amateur sleuth that
I am that this guy hates women.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Right.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Because he shoots the women way more than he shoots
the guys Right.
And then in one of the cases atleast one of the cases where
one of them survives, it'salways the guy.
Yeah, the girl gets it Likehe's there for the girl yeah
right, and so he kills these twopeople.
Um then on july 4th he killskind of the same situation,
(13:14):
right where he's just going tothese lover lanes and kind of I
think when they're making outlike he, it like bothers him,
right that sure there's theseloose women out there that, that
aren't.
Aren't giving him any is what Ithink right.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
That's what I think he's doing but he could just ask
to join.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Like what the fuck yeah but I'm sure, I'm sure he
has like a lot.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
What if he was asking to join and they told him like
no, then okay, that would be areason to get mad, I guess, but
to shoot someone?
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Well, some of them survive, and so we know he just
walks up and just shoots.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Right, so anyway.
So when he kills the nextpeople, yeah, he writes on their
door Like what he did and thenhe like draws a line or puts the
name of the other two peopleright, so like, hey, I'm the
same guy who did this don'tdistract right, yeah.
(14:13):
So then a couple months afterthat he goes to like this park
and there's this guy and thisgirl on like having a picnic in
a secluded area, and so I don'tknow if you ever read the book,
um, or it's a short story Ithink called the a dangerous the
day, the most dangerous game noso I read this like when I was
(14:35):
like in fifth grade a long timeago, and what it's about is this
hunter I didn't ask how longago, but okay this hunter gets
on a shipwreck right and he endsup on this island and there's
it's run by another hunter.
So the owner of the island givesthe guy a knife and says new
game, I'm gonna try to kill you.
(14:57):
You oh shit, you need to escapefrom me oh right, like tiger,
it right and so they made amovie about this book, and
there's a costume that the badguy wears uh-huh okay, it's like
a executioner okay, okay,outfit so the zodiac's wearing
(15:18):
this oh.
He walks up to this couplethat's having a picnic and he
says I'm fresh out of prison, Iescaped prison, I need your car
and your money because I'm goingto Mexico.
So he tells the guy to tie upthe girl.
And then he ties up the guy, hetells him to lay on their
(15:40):
stomach because he's gonna goand he just immediately starts
stabbing the girl, like justkilling the shit out of her
right, and then he stabs the guy.
But the guy survives.
He's not there for the guy right, and so this is where they
that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
The guy is already like there, you, you have to
kill him.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
You would think, and I wonder because if I went
through the whole process ofkilling, somebody.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Yes, that's what I'm saying.
You're not going to wantsomeone to be left alive.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Right, but hear me out.
Why do you think he hates womenso much?
Because he's incompetent.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Oh, that's true.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
And so what do people that are incompetent usually do
, or what's a marker that youknow, while they're incompetent,
they don't finish the job Right?
Right, so we know this Right,so then we fast forward again
right fast forward and so let'ssee, okay, so now.
(16:49):
Yeah, this one's a little weirdto me.
He gets a taxi ride afterkilling them both.
Well, no, this is another,another, another murder, like a
next month, less than a monthaway.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
He gets a taxi ride and he kills the taxi driver.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
And this time he cuts off part of his clothes, like
the bloody shirt.
He cuts a square out of it.
So part of the reason we knowthese murders are connected.
Number one he put the writingon the door of the car right,
right, yeah, after anothermurder, I think the second
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murder he calls the murderer into the police?
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Yeah, wouldn't he like leave notes and stuff like
haunting the police?
Speaker 2 (17:37):
right, so then he would also.
He sent three letters, yeah, tothe different newspapers oh
yeah, and wanted them to publishwhat they call a cipher right,
these weird symbols for peopleto figure out have people figure
it out, I think there was atiktok also about that so the
first one, a husband and wifeteacher yeah, yeah, those yeah
(17:59):
figured one of them out, buteven more interesting than that
is with all of the computertechnology.
One was recently deciphered.
It's called the 408 symbolcipher Right, and it was
decrypted by the University ofCalifornia at Berkeley.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
OK, shut up.
Yeah, we're not getting paidfor this.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
We're not getting paid, but they did it, so I'm
going to give them credit.
Yeah, I'm going to read youwhat it says, and so this is a
little bit before I read this.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
I haven't read this shit, Right no?
You're going to hear it for thefirst time, but this is what's
so interesting to me about itand you know it took forever for
them to figure this out, right,because this all happened in
the 60s, late 60s, early 70slike more older than david bro.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Yes, way older, way older.
Like his last killing, I wasn'teven born yet nope right okay,
so guess why it took them solong to figure it out.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Because he was dyslexic.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
He misspelled things.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
No, yes, I'm fucking take me to college.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
He misspelled things and he put things out of order,
Right Like so the Fuckingdumbass Back to being
incompetent, right.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Right.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
And so it's weird, because a lot of people think of
him as like the greatest serialkiller.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
The most fucking.
What is it?
A lot of people think of him aslike the greatest serial killer
the most fucking.
What is it the genius of?
Speaker 2 (19:24):
the fucking siphons.
But like, the more that I readabout him, the more of an idiot
he is, yeah, he's a fuckingdumbass.
And so this is what it says,this is what the cipher was it
would have been like, only forlike.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
No, I'm not going to say it.
So this is what it says.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Cipher the 408 symbol .
Cypher it says I hope you'rehaving lots of fun trying to
catch me.
I'm not afraid of the gaschamber because it will send me
to paradise.
So that's what he put that's itand there's a couple of more
ciphers that we haven't figuredout, but I'm sure he misspelled
(19:59):
worse and that's why we haven'tgotten those.
But we probably will, right.
So what we know of?
Oh, there's one other, so twoother incidences that we know of
for sure.
One of them he flags this ladydown.
Who's driving?
and he tells her your tire'swobbling, and so she pulls over
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and he goes, let me fix it foryou, and he loosens the lug nuts
on her tire right so she takesoff, and now it really is wobbly
and he's like you know what?
I'll give you a ride.
Right, I'll give you a ride, aride to wherever you need to go.
So her and her daughter get inhis car.
Oh shit and he's driving and soshe starts to get like this
(20:47):
really weird vibe from him.
And she notices some things thatI guess were talked about in
the news about watch out forthis guy with the watch and et
cetera, and she sees a gun onthe floor.
I don't know why it's on thefloor, but she gets her baby
blanket and throws it over hishead and jumps out of the car
(21:07):
with her kid oh shit.
And later we know that that wasa zodiac, because he writes to
the newspapers again that he didmad, that the lady got away
right.
And then there is another lady,uh, called donna last that was
her name who they never foundher body, but she went missing
(21:28):
okay and he wrote a cipher tofind her body fuck man.
And they couldn't decipher itand they've never found it.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Doesn't know how to spell.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Yeah, and they never found her.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
So looking at it, can we get like dyslexic people or
something?
To figure it out?
Speaker 2 (21:44):
We probably should Right, like do anti-superpowers?
Yeah Right, you're broken thesame way, maybe?
Yeah, so I was going to saythat you know he had a problem
with spelling and that's beenused as evidence with Richard
Hoffman and Arthur Lee Allen inthe past, but I feel like
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because I'm not a great spellermyself that people that misspell
words kind of misspell them ina similar way, true, so I don't
know if that's 100%.
Like yeah he did it.
He spells until with two L's.
That's like on the weaker sideof evidence for me.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
But there was also fucking DNA Right.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
So that's stronger Right, that's stronger, for sure
, but I'm just saying like thisa lot of people misspell, that's
true, and so, um, as far as weknow, he killed five people and
a few people escaped.
He takes credit for 37 murdersfuck.
(22:55):
Fuck.
So since we don't know wherethis lady's body is, she never
was found and confirmed dead.
Even this was missing.
Who knows if it's 37 orsomewhere in between five and 37
.
And who's to say that thecouple that he killed first was
(23:19):
the first?
yeah could have even gone back,started younger.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Maybe he had to learn his way through or build up
yeah, that's what I'm saying,like I don't think it was his
first for sure.
He claimed yeah but I mean, atleast he has.
He had to start with like sometype of attack, like you know,
like it wasn't straight of him,like thinking off his brain,
(23:45):
like yeah, let me just havesomeone else tie them up and
then fully kill the women andthen the men leave them like
halfway hanging so I remember.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
That makes sense.
There was a serial killer, andI don't remember which one.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
It was, off the top of my head and I'm not the
smartest one to fucking plan akilling.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
I'll tell you that allegedly before you come at me
but there was a serial killer,and I don't remember which one
it was.
I think it might have beenbergowitz, but when he first
tried to kill a person, a womanwoman, usually they're women,
right Right he tried to stab herand I guess he thought it was
(24:24):
going to be like the movies andyou like stab her and she just
falls dead yeah.
And he stabbed her and shestarted screaming and fighting
and like he freaked out.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
That's what I'm saying and, like I'm sure it's
kind of like complicated.
It's not like just stabbing thechicken, it's like you have to
take it out and stab again, youknow.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
I wouldn't know, but I'm saying Allegedly, allegedly.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
It's not as easy as it looks.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Right.
It's not like in the movies.
It's not from what we've heardfrom serial killers Right.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
You know, like the gypsy rose right episode where
the interview thing was, he waslike, yeah, he was like tried
stabbing her several times yeah,because there's bones yeah,
tissue muscle so I think it wasberkowitz who did that, where he
stabbed the woman and thoughtshe was just gonna die and fall
and and she didn't like, shescreamed and fought him off and
all this.
So then when he started hisserial killing his actual serial
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killing he's a gun and justshot people yeah, you see, like
you're not fuck this shit.
You know it's too, too messy.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Something had to like he built up, yeah, he built up
to it, yeah I tend to agree withthat.
But if he was a cop, he alreadyknew how this shit worked.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
True too, also true too.
So we have some updates.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Yeah, what Well.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Gypsy Rose.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Well, yeah, she's having a girl, right.
Yeah, she's having a girl,right.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Yeah, she's having a girl and it's not mine allegedly
, so the jury's still out, yeah,of whose it is right.
So you had mentioned gypsy roseand something.
I don't know if I sent it toyou, I think it did oh were she
jokes no, no, you sent that tome yeah but there was somebody
(26:24):
who got a hold of the crimescene photos oh, that's true,
man, I didn't open it I didn'teither.
I didn't I couldn't.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
I was like no, it's already too much of me talking
shit.
But me looking at, I was likeno, I can't.
So I didn't look at him eitherI didn't put it, I didn't want
to put myself through that afterthe accident.
Let's just say yeah I wasalready going through so much
and my brain can't handle somuch.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
I was like no so I went to the comments okay to see
if I was gonna actually seethat, yeah, like am I gonna go
through this?
And I went through the comments.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
No, it was too much, they were bad I only read like
three different comments and itwas like it's horrifying how all
the blood was, like it did likea hundred percent, like it is
real, like you could see theflesh.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
I was like, oh hell, no, yeah, no, no yeah, and I
forget that you're you're queasyas it is yeah, so, yeah, so,
yeah, no yeah, I didn't know ifyou were going to look.
I didn't, but I knew I was notgoing to look.
No, but if you're out there andyou want to watch, they're
there.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Apparently.
Yeah, they're still out there.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
And is there any other updates?
Speaker 1 (27:31):
No, no updates.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
So, as far as the Keith, I don't know if we should
say it or not.
Man, I took a different route.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Bianca's losing points Way far off, way far off.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Losing points.
I think technically I'm thelead now I don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
It's weird, like I didn't do anything, but I'm in
the lead now.
I don't know it's weird, like Ididn't do anything, but I'm in
the lead now.
No, yeah, you took.
You took a step, a few steps.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
The score is now zero to negative one, and I'm
winning, so no, but yeah, it'snot.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
I'm way off the scale , guys.
I'll tell you that it's not mything anymore so it never was my
thing.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
There we go, but it looks like you're taking the
lead I am in the lead and I willtake it for now.
That's it for today.
Yep, I hope you enjoyed theepisode.
Follow us on all of our socials.
We're going to try to be moreactive on TikTok.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Yeah, we're trying to figure that one out.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
I'm trying to get Bianca to take over it, but
we'll see how that goes.
We will see you all next week.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Bye guys.
Hey going bianca uh good, how are you recovering?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I'm doing better.
I had a doctor's appointmenttoday and I got four more
appointments when I left sothings might be going backwards.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
I'm not sure um, but I'm recording, I'm back I'm
working on my tiktok again sothe brain is, the brain is
functioning.
Oh shit, what the fuck did Isay?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
say I'm doing a little better.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
So I can still get better, and I will, I hope, but
Eventually.
I'm not as bad as I was.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Right, right right.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
So, having said all of that, what are we talking
about today?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Have you been on TikTok lately?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I have been on TikTok .
It's funny that you ask buthave you?
Speaker 1 (01:05):
seen.
No, no, yeah.
Like I know you're on TikTok,like I know you guys also, like
our followers should follow, ifthey're not following Celaco956,
right.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Uh-oh.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
The thing is that I was going through TikTok and
then there's this guy Mm-hmm.
The thing is that I was goingthrough TikTok, and then there's
this guy and he's just talkingabout, like, how he knows that
his grandfather was the Zodiackiller.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Right.
So, having done serial killersalready, and that being in our
kind of realm right of the show,I wanted to do the zodiac
killer from the beginning, butbut it was kind of any like
evidence on like it might bethis guy.
It might be this guy, but right,it's an old story that I do
(01:59):
feel like a lot of our fanswould already know, so I was
kind of reluctant yeah, becauseI mean all the evidence that we
have and we still haven't gottena name or a person like pinned
down, like you know what?
it's a 80 20 chance, right thatit's him right, and so this guy
just he's pretty sure of himselfyeah and so, for those of you
(02:22):
who haven't watched tiktok oraren't on tiktok, the handle of
the guy is jfoy 3.0, and sowe're going to start with that
story, because it kind of losessome air at the end.
Yeah, um, so we're going to gointo that and then we're going
to recap for anybody who doesn'tknow the details of the story,
(02:46):
like the history that was madeRight right right.
So, like I said, this kid, he'sa kid to me.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
He's about your fucking age.
Chill, the fuck out.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
So he's not a child, but he is saying.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Let's just say he's older than me and younger than
David.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I think that's accurate.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
I think that's the best way to say it.
That's a pinpoint right there.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
And he has his hat backwards and so he gives me kid
vibes he's giving me.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Teenager want to be vibes Right, and I'm not a
teenager Right.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
He does look older than you, though.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Okay, so he is saying , and he's pretty adamant, that
his grandfather, richard Hoffman, is the Zodiac and he has this
long playlist of him in a cartalking about this, and so we're
going to kind of save you sometime.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
And go through what he says.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
I mean TikTok is not that long, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
It's like 15 episodes , 15 videos on this.
And there's not a lot ofinformation, but I did the work,
you chopped it down, chopped itdown, and so this is what he's
saying.
So Richard Hoffman, hisgrandfather, was a police
officer for the Vallejo PoliceDepartment, which is where these
(04:11):
murders were happening.
And so his quote unquoteevidence is that the handwriting
is similar.
Right, the misspelling.
Right, the Zodiac spelt untilwith two l's.
Yeah, and his grandfather didthe same thing.
(04:31):
Um, his grandfather also has areputation of being abusive,
right?
Um, there are clips, becausehis grandfather was involved.
He was a TikToker Well, he wason the news at the time.
That would be funny, butthere's videos of his
grandfather talking about theZodiac Killer, right, and it's a
(04:58):
little just surreal.
He doesn't seem like a cop, heseems like he's just a little
off.
It's weird because I I don'tknow if they don't tell you
which scene he's describing,right, but it's one of the
scenes he's he's with one of thevictims that they're trying to
(05:21):
revive, and I think it must bethe victim that he stabbed.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
That the Zodiac Killer stabbed Right.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
the Zodiac Killer stabbed, and so, while they're
ventilating them, air is comingout of the holes in their body.
And he's describing in a veryweird way the air coming out of
her body and playing with herbra a little bit, like the wind
is fluttering her bra, what?
(05:51):
And it's just kind of weird,like it just seems like a weird
observation.
And then, even if I did seethat I don't know if that's what
I'm saying to the news orwhoever was recording it just
seems a little weird.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
And then his description is similar I mean
he's a white guy, so he looks alittle bit like the way that
they talk about the ZodiacKiller.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Right.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Rumor has it that one of the victims she didn't die
right away, she died like fivedays later said his name was
richard.
So she knew who he was, andthis guy's named richard hoffman
, yeah, and so there's there'squite a few things kind of
pointing to him wasn't there onelike theory between cops that
(06:40):
well, between like investigators, that supposedly the killer
could have been a cop.
Right, right, right, right,yeah, so it was a little bit too
hard for the cops to catch him.
Right when they thought he musthave inside information or
something like that.
So, having doing some researchon this episode and I'm just
(07:02):
going to put a bow on this partof it Four episodes in or four
videos in, I guess netflix orsomebody contacts this guy on
tiktok, and so now he can'treally talk about anything, and
so now we have we're just 10videos about my new movie deal,
you know, and I'm writing amovie, you know, so it's kind of
(07:25):
like this isn't what we want.
I mean, I'm gonna watch some ofyou when it comes out, but yeah,
we're gonna support him but itwas kind of like I mean 15
videos he had to get money outof it yeah, it wasn't just gonna
be on.
Tiktok would pay, but he gotflix is gonna pay more shit
right, right right right and onthe spot and you pay me whatever
(07:45):
, I won't say shit and he goesinto detail about his own life
and he's a film major like hewent to school for film, so this
is right up his alley as aperson right just for me right
now on tiktok, I want to knowabout the zodiac, so I don't
give a shit about these otherepisodes, but that's how we came
(08:06):
up about talking about it.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
That's how it came out today, and so now we're
going to go backwards, we'rejust going to wait for the movie
guys See ya, no, anyway.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
so now going backwards, I start looking up
things right and I look upRichard Hoffman, right the name
of this guy, up things right,and I look up richard hoffman,
right the name of this guy turnsout years ago, before this
tiktok kid came out.
He's that kid.
Okay, a person came out rightpeople had gotten a partial dna
match from when he licked thestamps on the letters that he
(08:40):
mailed no and they had drawn aline to richard hoffman already
so he was a suspect he wasalready a suspect years ago and,
by the way, richard hoffmandied in 2020 what the fuck yeah,
so it the one of the questionsfor me and has always been,
(09:02):
before I knew any of this.
Why did he stop?
You know what I mean Hisgrandkid, huh.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
His grandkid.
Oh no, that's true.
No, the grandkid said that hehas memories of whenever.
I think one time he left thehouse.
I don't know some shit likethat.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Yeah, he has a bunch of weird stories.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
He has a bunch of videos like saying like the time
frames and all that, and heremembers everything like
clearly, yeah, which I don'tknow.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yeah, so Richard Hoffman was already a suspect.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Yeah, back in the day .
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Before this guy figured it out and started
making the videos.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yeah.
So I think if netflix isinvolved it's kind of like a
little bit of it's gonna likeopen the case like well, I don't
think it ever is it considereda cold case.
Was it closed?
What the fuck?
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I'm not sure and I'm gonna, I'm gonna go in are
people from cameron county, orwhere the fuck was this?
This was not in cameron county.
This is a little bit down theroad, down the road in vallejo,
california yeah, there so prettysure you got people that you
know over there back in the day.
So when I was younger I had abook original.
(10:13):
The first book that I got wascalled hunting humans and it was
an encyclopedia of serialkillers, and so that was kind of
my introduction.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Into serial killing.
Into serial killing.
How's it going so far?
And then the next book that Iread was a Zodiac Killer.
Wait, let's skip this question.
Yeah, what the fuck was that?
Allegedly Allegedly, it's beendoing okay.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yeah, Allegedly I'm not a serial killer.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Right.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
So in this book called Zodiac, and there's a
movie based on this book.
There is a guy called Arthur LeeAllen that is kind of put front
and center as the main suspect,Right, and so for years and
years and years, before thisRichard Hoffman name became so
(11:00):
prominent, this was the mainkiller or the main suspect.
Now, this guy, Arthur Lee Allen, was a teacher I think he
worked in a school and he wasconvicted of child molestation
and so like.
The evidence that kind of linkshim is the drawings, which were
(11:25):
kind of generic.
If we're honest, he did looklike that yeah he was the same
height, the same build, helooked very similar, his writing
was also very similar and hehad a zodiac watch, which was
what one of the victims said theguy was wearing.
Okay, and so there was a lot ofthings pointing to this In the
(11:45):
book.
If I remember correctly, theyeven said the Zodiac was in two
different cars depending on themurders, and this guy had the
same two cars.
So it looked like it was him,yeah Right.
Like it was him, yeah right.
So fast forward to like 2020around more recently so that guy
(12:10):
actually died in the 90s, ifI'm right okay, yeah, yeah so I
think it's 2020, ish one of theciphers.
So so well, let's go back alittle bit.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
So we can go forward or we go backwards.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
We can know the, what the this guy does, right, okay,
and so, um, on december 20th,um, two people were killed there
as like a lover's lane, right,right, and he just shoots them
Right, and it's very evident atleast as an amateur sleuth that
I am that this guy hates women.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Right.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Because he shoots the women way more than he shoots
the guys Right.
And then in one of the cases atleast one of the cases where
one of them survives, it'salways the guy.
Yeah, the girl gets it Likehe's there for the girl yeah
right, and so he kills these twopeople.
Um then on july 4th he killskind of the same situation,
(13:14):
right where he's just going tothese lover lanes and kind of I
think when they're making outlike he, it like bothers him,
right that sure there's theseloose women out there that, that
aren't.
Aren't giving him any is what Ithink right.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
That's what I think he's doing but he could just ask
to join.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Like what the fuck yeah but I'm sure, I'm sure he
has like a lot.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
What if he was asking to join and they told him like
no, then okay, that would be areason to get mad, I guess, but
to shoot someone?
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Well, some of them survive, and so we know he just
walks up and just shoots.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Right, so anyway.
So when he kills the nextpeople, yeah, he writes on their
door Like what he did and thenhe like draws a line or puts the
name of the other two peopleright, so like, hey, I'm the
same guy who did this don'tdistract right, yeah.
(14:13):
So then a couple months afterthat he goes to like this park
and there's this guy and thisgirl on like having a picnic in
a secluded area, and so I don'tknow if you ever read the book,
um, or it's a short story Ithink called the a dangerous the
day, the most dangerous game noso I read this like when I was
(14:35):
like in fifth grade a long timeago, and what it's about is this
hunter I didn't ask how longago, but okay this hunter gets
on a shipwreck right and he endsup on this island and there's
it's run by another hunter.
So the owner of the island givesthe guy a knife and says new
game, I'm gonna try to kill you.
(14:57):
You oh shit, you need to escapefrom me oh right, like tiger,
it right and so they made amovie about this book, and
there's a costume that the badguy wears uh-huh okay, it's like
a executioner okay, okay,outfit so the zodiac's wearing
(15:18):
this oh.
He walks up to this couplethat's having a picnic and he
says I'm fresh out of prison, Iescaped prison, I need your car
and your money because I'm goingto Mexico.
So he tells the guy to tie upthe girl.
And then he ties up the guy, hetells him to lay on their
(15:40):
stomach because he's gonna goand he just immediately starts
stabbing the girl, like justkilling the shit out of her
right, and then he stabs the guy.
But the guy survives.
He's not there for the guy right, and so this is where they
that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
The guy is already like there, you, you have to
kill him.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
You would think, and I wonder because if I went
through the whole process ofkilling, somebody.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Yes, that's what I'm saying.
You're not going to wantsomeone to be left alive.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Right, but hear me out.
Why do you think he hates womenso much?
Because he's incompetent.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Oh, that's true.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
And so what do people that are incompetent usually do
, or what's a marker that youknow, while they're incompetent,
they don't finish the job Right?
Right, so we know this Right,so then we fast forward again
right fast forward and so let'ssee, okay, so now.
(16:49):
Yeah, this one's a little weirdto me.
He gets a taxi ride afterkilling them both.
Well, no, this is another,another, another murder, like a
next month, less than a monthaway.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
He gets a taxi ride and he kills the taxi driver.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
And this time he cuts off part of his clothes, like
the bloody shirt.
He cuts a square out of it.
So part of the reason we knowthese murders are connected.
Number one he put the writingon the door of the car right,
right, yeah, after anothermurder, I think the second
(17:30):
murder he calls the murderer into the police?
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Yeah, wouldn't he like leave notes and stuff like
haunting the police?
Speaker 2 (17:37):
right, so then he would also.
He sent three letters, yeah, tothe different newspapers oh
yeah, and wanted them to publishwhat they call a cipher right,
these weird symbols for peopleto figure out have people figure
it out, I think there was atiktok also about that so the
first one, a husband and wifeteacher yeah, yeah, those yeah
(17:59):
figured one of them out, buteven more interesting than that
is with all of the computertechnology.
One was recently deciphered.
It's called the 408 symbolcipher Right, and it was
decrypted by the University ofCalifornia at Berkeley.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
OK, shut up.
Yeah, we're not getting paidfor this.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
We're not getting paid, but they did it, so I'm
going to give them credit.
Yeah, I'm going to read youwhat it says, and so this is a
little bit before I read this.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
I haven't read this shit, Right no?
You're going to hear it for thefirst time, but this is what's
so interesting to me about itand you know it took forever for
them to figure this out, right,because this all happened in
the 60s, late 60s, early 70slike more older than david bro.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Yes, way older, way older.
Like his last killing, I wasn'teven born yet nope right okay,
so guess why it took them solong to figure it out.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Because he was dyslexic.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
He misspelled things.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
No, yes, I'm fucking take me to college.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
He misspelled things and he put things out of order,
Right Like so the Fuckingdumbass Back to being
incompetent, right.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Right.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
And so it's weird, because a lot of people think of
him as like the greatest serialkiller.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
The most fucking.
What is it?
A lot of people think of him aslike the greatest serial killer
the most fucking.
What is it the genius of?
Speaker 2 (19:24):
the fucking siphons.
But like, the more that I readabout him, the more of an idiot
he is, yeah, he's a fuckingdumbass.
And so this is what it says,this is what the cipher was it
would have been like, only forlike.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
No, I'm not going to say it.
So this is what it says.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Cipher the 408 symbol .
Cypher it says I hope you'rehaving lots of fun trying to
catch me.
I'm not afraid of the gaschamber because it will send me
to paradise.
So that's what he put that's itand there's a couple of more
ciphers that we haven't figuredout, but I'm sure he misspelled
(19:59):
worse and that's why we haven'tgotten those.
But we probably will, right.
So what we know of?
Oh, there's one other, so twoother incidences that we know of
for sure.
One of them he flags this ladydown.
Who's driving?
and he tells her your tire'swobbling, and so she pulls over
(20:24):
and he goes, let me fix it foryou, and he loosens the lug nuts
on her tire right so she takesoff, and now it really is wobbly
and he's like you know what?
I'll give you a ride.
Right, I'll give you a ride, aride to wherever you need to go.
So her and her daughter get inhis car.
Oh shit and he's driving and soshe starts to get like this
(20:47):
really weird vibe from him.
And she notices some things thatI guess were talked about in
the news about watch out forthis guy with the watch and et
cetera, and she sees a gun onthe floor.
I don't know why it's on thefloor, but she gets her baby
blanket and throws it over hishead and jumps out of the car
(21:07):
with her kid oh shit.
And later we know that that wasa zodiac, because he writes to
the newspapers again that he didmad, that the lady got away
right.
And then there is another lady,uh, called donna last that was
her name who they never foundher body, but she went missing
(21:28):
okay and he wrote a cipher tofind her body fuck man.
And they couldn't decipher itand they've never found it.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Doesn't know how to spell.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Yeah, and they never found her.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
So looking at it, can we get like dyslexic people or
something?
To figure it out?
Speaker 2 (21:44):
We probably should Right, like do anti-superpowers?
Yeah Right, you're broken thesame way, maybe?
Yeah, so I was going to saythat you know he had a problem
with spelling and that's beenused as evidence with Richard
Hoffman and Arthur Lee Allen inthe past, but I feel like
(22:05):
because I'm not a great spellermyself that people that misspell
words kind of misspell them ina similar way, true, so I don't
know if that's 100%.
Like yeah he did it.
He spells until with two L's.
That's like on the weaker sideof evidence for me.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
But there was also fucking DNA Right.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
So that's stronger Right, that's stronger, for sure
, but I'm just saying like thisa lot of people misspell, that's
true, and so, um, as far as weknow, he killed five people and
a few people escaped.
He takes credit for 37 murdersfuck.
(22:55):
Fuck.
So since we don't know wherethis lady's body is, she never
was found and confirmed dead.
Even this was missing.
Who knows if it's 37 orsomewhere in between five and 37
.
And who's to say that thecouple that he killed first was
(23:19):
the first?
yeah could have even gone back,started younger.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Maybe he had to learn his way through or build up
yeah, that's what I'm saying,like I don't think it was his
first for sure.
He claimed yeah but I mean, atleast he has.
He had to start with like sometype of attack, like you know,
like it wasn't straight of him,like thinking off his brain,
(23:45):
like yeah, let me just havesomeone else tie them up and
then fully kill the women andthen the men leave them like
halfway hanging so I remember.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
That makes sense.
There was a serial killer, andI don't remember which one.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
It was, off the top of my head and I'm not the
smartest one to fucking plan akilling.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
I'll tell you that allegedly before you come at me
but there was a serial killer,and I don't remember which one
it was.
I think it might have beenbergowitz, but when he first
tried to kill a person, a womanwoman, usually they're women,
right Right he tried to stab herand I guess he thought it was
(24:24):
going to be like the movies andyou like stab her and she just
falls dead yeah.
And he stabbed her and shestarted screaming and fighting
and like he freaked out.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
That's what I'm saying and, like I'm sure it's
kind of like complicated.
It's not like just stabbing thechicken, it's like you have to
take it out and stab again, youknow.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
I wouldn't know, but I'm saying Allegedly, allegedly.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
It's not as easy as it looks.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Right.
It's not like in the movies.
It's not from what we've heardfrom serial killers Right.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
You know, like the gypsy rose right episode where
the interview thing was, he waslike, yeah, he was like tried
stabbing her several times yeah,because there's bones yeah,
tissue muscle so I think it wasberkowitz who did that, where he
stabbed the woman and thoughtshe was just gonna die and fall
and and she didn't like, shescreamed and fought him off and
all this.
So then when he started hisserial killing his actual serial
(25:21):
killing he's a gun and justshot people yeah, you see, like
you're not fuck this shit.
You know it's too, too messy.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Something had to like he built up, yeah, he built up
to it, yeah I tend to agree withthat.
But if he was a cop, he alreadyknew how this shit worked.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
True too, also true too.
So we have some updates.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Yeah, what Well.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Gypsy Rose.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Well, yeah, she's having a girl, right.
Yeah, she's having a girl,right.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Yeah, she's having a girl and it's not mine allegedly
, so the jury's still out, yeah,of whose it is right.
So you had mentioned gypsy roseand something.
I don't know if I sent it toyou, I think it did oh were she
jokes no, no, you sent that tome yeah but there was somebody
(26:24):
who got a hold of the crimescene photos oh, that's true,
man, I didn't open it I didn'teither.
I didn't I couldn't.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
I was like no, it's already too much of me talking
shit.
But me looking at, I was likeno, I can't.
So I didn't look at him eitherI didn't put it, I didn't want
to put myself through that afterthe accident.
Let's just say yeah I wasalready going through so much
and my brain can't handle somuch.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
I was like no so I went to the comments okay to see
if I was gonna actually seethat, yeah, like am I gonna go
through this?
And I went through the comments.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
No, it was too much, they were bad I only read like
three different comments and itwas like it's horrifying how all
the blood was, like it did likea hundred percent, like it is
real, like you could see theflesh.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
I was like, oh hell, no, yeah, no, no yeah, and I
forget that you're you're queasyas it is yeah, so, yeah, so,
yeah, no yeah, I didn't know ifyou were going to look.
I didn't, but I knew I was notgoing to look.
No, but if you're out there andyou want to watch, they're
there.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Apparently.
Yeah, they're still out there.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
And is there any other updates?
Speaker 1 (27:31):
No, no updates.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
So, as far as the Keith, I don't know if we should
say it or not.
Man, I took a different route.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Bianca's losing points Way far off, way far off.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Losing points.
I think technically I'm thelead now I don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
It's weird, like I didn't do anything, but I'm in
the lead now.
I don't know it's weird, like Ididn't do anything, but I'm in
the lead now.
No, yeah, you took.
You took a step, a few steps.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
The score is now zero to negative one, and I'm
winning, so no, but yeah, it'snot.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
I'm way off the scale , guys.
I'll tell you that it's not mything anymore so it never was my
thing.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
There we go, but it looks like you're taking the
lead I am in the lead and I willtake it for now.
That's it for today.
Yep, I hope you enjoyed theepisode.
Follow us on all of our socials.
We're going to try to be moreactive on TikTok.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Yeah, we're trying to figure that one out.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
I'm trying to get Bianca to take over it, but
we'll see how that goes.
We will see you all next week.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Bye guys.
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