September 6, 2024 • 28 mins
Uncover the chilling and tragic story of Vanessa Guillen in this gripping episode of Paranormal 956. What really happened at Fort Hood, now renamed after General Richard Edward Cavazos? We promise you'll gain deep insights into Vanessa's harrowing experiences with harassment, her mysterious disappearance, and the suspicious activities that followed. Listen as we dissect the investigation, the role of the key suspect Robinson, and the unsettling atmosphere of Killeen, Texas. This isn't just about a single case; it's about systemic issues within the military that many are still grappling with.
But that's not all. We expose the dark conspiracy involving Cecily Aguilar and her relationship with the perpetrator, shedding light on the disturbing psychological elements at play. As we scrutinize the details of this horrific crime, we also explore the significant impact of the Vanessa Guillen law on reporting abuse and harassment in the military. Finally, to balance the heavy content, we bring a touch of humor with a light-hearted discussion on gender dynamics and personal identities. Don't miss this episode that combines serious investigation with moments of levity, all while encouraging you to follow us on social media and share your thoughts!
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
Welcome back to Paranormal 956.
My name is David.
As always, I'm here with Bianca.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Hi guys.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
What are we talking about today?
Speaker 1 (00:17):
So, this was a case that kind of woke a lot of
people up and, I don't know,made everyone feel some type of
rage, I guess, some type ofuncomfortableness it hits on a
lot of levels.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, it hits on a lot of levels.
And it's not only that, but itleaves an uneasy feeling all
over the place.
We're talking about the murderof Vanessa Guillen.
Vanessa Guillen was a soldierat Fort Hood.
(00:59):
We're in deep South Texas.
At the time she was in Killeen,texas, at a place called Fort
Hood.
I believe they changed the name.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
They did.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah, and so I forgot what the name of it is now.
But Vanessa Guillen was.
What is it?
Speaker 1 (01:25):
it's now named after General Richard Edward Cavazos,
the first Hispanic Americanforce army general and general,
I don't know so I think that guyis from Kingsville, hispanic
rather than Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Yeah, so the original brigadier general.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Brigadier yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Yeah, so the original Fort Hood was a Civil War
general and then they made itinto an American, a US general.
I always thought it was weirdthat they would name a military
base after a Civil War general,when the Civil War was the enemy
(02:13):
of the.
That always seems weird, butanyway, anyways.
So we're talking about VanessaGuillen.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
It's already named.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
She was a young, what like 22 years old, 20 year old.
Yeah, she barely started.
Yeah, she was a 20 year oldyoung lady, 20 year old.
I don't know why that soundsweird to say that 20 year old
young lady, and she's from texasas well yep I think from like
the houston area, yep, and shejoined the military and was very
(02:45):
close with her family, whichisn't surprising, right?
Speaker 1 (02:47):
A lot of you get separated out there.
You still keep in contact.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Sure, and so her family had been told by Vanessa
that she, she had troubles.
She was dealing with someharassment.
She was dealing with someharassment and I guess they were
trying to convince her to goforward.
(03:11):
She had a little bit ofpushback.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
That she had known of other women who had come
forward.
And nothing had worked out forthem, and so she wasn't super
keen on doing that yeah and thenshe goes missing and broke out
of nowhere uncharacteristicallyright, because she wasn't a
problem child and she wasn't introuble with they weren't.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Let's just say they weren't like checking her
constantly for causing issues oranything like that.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
And so she ends up going missing and she's not
answering her phone, and we doknow that the person that was
later suspected was the lastperson to talk to her.
Yeah, later suspected was thelast person to talk to her.
(04:08):
Yeah, and we know that peoplealso on the base had said that
they had seen him walking aroundwith like a big, like one of
those roller boxes and thatseemed like office, seems a
little suspicious, right, Ithink they call them a tough box
(04:29):
, where you put stuff in and youcan wheel it around, but it's
all in the box and so, um, hereit is.
The Robinson guy was the onethat was carrying a tough box, a
tough box, yeah.
And so they end up getting hisconsent to search his phone and
(04:53):
they find that he had madeseveral calls to his girlfriend
at the time and they were lateat night and he had gone into
work at like 6 in the morningthe next day, but he's still on
the phone at 3 at night and hehad gone into work at like six
in the morning the next day, buthe's still like on the phone at
three at night okay and so theyoriginally asked him if he
would take a lie detector test,and he said no, but what he was
(05:16):
willing to do is he was willingto be interviewed by the lie
detector person and the liedetector person said and the lie
detector person said this guy'slying about everything and so,
while all of this is going on,there's protests and the
family's trying to get some eyeson this right.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
They post some stuff on social media.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
So the thing is that they see her in the base, but
they never see her go out thebase right, she never leaves now
like entering and leaving, it'spretty tight right cameras
everywhere so it doesn't makesense.
She's inside, she never goesoutside right now.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
For those of you who have never been to Killeen or
who are not familiar with FortHood, it is one of the largest
army bases in the world.
It's a gigantic place.
So the city of Killeen, whichis the nearest city, is not as
big as the military base.
The military base is bigger andhas more people than the
(06:25):
nearest city, which is Killeen.
Yeah, now I have been toKilleen and I have stayed the
night there and you can hearbombs going off 24 7 oh geez,
because no wonder people don'tlive there well, because they do
target practice with bombs andso it's pretty crazy to live out
(06:45):
there, right?
And so the family starts postingon social media and she kind of
goes viral.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
And I remember we were in school at the time and I
remember you talking about itand I think she's a little bit
older than you, or would havebeen a little bit older than you
, but not by much, no.
And so I'm sure, like a lot ofpeople kind of identify with
this young lady, right, likeshe's trying to make it in this
(07:16):
world.
You know she's putting all herchips in the military, right.
Yeah, you know it's got to betough for her, but it's what she
wants to do and she's hoping itpays off.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Right, yeah, she's.
She was basically sticking itout, even though she was going
through the harassment and allthis stuff.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
She was like no, like , like I'll finish it, like I
can get through this, like it'sgonna work out yeah, and so
she's probably thinking abouther future, right, and she's
gonna have military benefits andshe's to be able to see the
world and hopefully she gets agi bill, and you know.
So she's looking at this like alife that she's going to
sacrifice right, right now andthen it's going to pay off in
(07:55):
the future and so when they'veput the reward out, um, like I
said, it goes viral.
They start to get some of theinformation from the phones and
they start to notice that thisguy I think his name was the
Robertson Robinson ends updriving I think it was like 30
(08:21):
minutes, 20 minutes to thisriver, and they notice that he
was on this bridge for a longtime the Leon River.
The Leon River, which I hadnever heard of before this.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Me neither.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
I don't know how big this river is, but they end up
going out there and they findthis tough box.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
The tough box.
The tough box right.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
And obviously her remains are inside.
They had try not to be toogross about this, but they had
cut her up to fit in the boxwasn't it like burn?
too, and they also tried to burnit they tried, yeah yeah, and
so I don't know if it was thatit didn't burn or if it was
making too big of a fire thatthey panicked.
(09:05):
But anyway, they really startto hone in on this Robinson guy
and they find out that eventhough he was on the phone with
his girlfriend, when they lookedat her phone she was at all the
same places that he was.
And so she was with him duringall of this, and so they're
(09:27):
starting to kind of get theireye on her too.
They put this guy under housearrest in the military base, and
so for those people who don'tknow, in the military, if you're
part of the military you have awhole different justice system
than we do as civilians.
So we have the right ascivilians in the United States
(09:50):
to go to jury with our peers,right?
So people like us, that's nothow it is in the military.
In the military, when you go tocourt, you're being judged by
higher-ups court you're beingjudged by higher-ups.
So if you're like a sergeant,you're getting captains to look
(10:11):
at your case and usually they'reeducated in law, so they're not
dummies.
I think the idea is in oursystem that you could kind of
pull a fast one over some people.
Some people are found innocentthat really aren't because the
jury.
He looks nice.
Well, the jury doesn'tunderstand, you know.
They start talking high techDNA.
(10:31):
We don't know any of that, youknow.
And so some people get off thatmaybe they shouldn't Right, and
I think it's designed that waybecause in our society I think
we would rather people be freethan be in jail.
That shouldn't be right, and somilitary is not like that.
And then when you are foundguilty in the military, um, I
(10:52):
don't know if they have thedeath penalty or not, but I know
that they have really harshpunishment.
So like you can go to like awork camp and have to work, work
like like a slave, right, likereally bad Right.
And so that's what he wasfacing, right.
And so they put him in housearrest and he disappears, right.
(11:13):
Which again kind of to yourpoint earlier about why nobody
ever saw Vanessa Guillen leavethe base.
Nobody ever saw him leaveeither.
Yeah, right, and he gets offand so fast forward, he spotted
that and the police find him andhe kills himself.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
And all that's left is the girlfriend.
And it turns out that thegirlfriend was married at the
time and she starts posting.
I don't know if we have any ofthis, but she starts posting
really weird stuff on herInstagram.
Like starts posting reallyweird stuff on her instagram,
(11:58):
right, um, that she was in lovewith the girl because of her
dark side.
Just really weird random stuff,talking like professing their
love to a girl but she neversaid who it was.
And then, um, she ends up atfirst obviously lying, right
yeah and then slowly gives in,slowly gives in, and so the most
(12:21):
information that we have thatwe've talked about so far we
know because of With this guykilling himself, this Aaron
Robinson.
We really have an unsatisfyingend to this as far as not
knowing what the motive reallywas, and so there was
(12:44):
speculation that because he wasin a relationship with the
married woman, that he could getpunished for that, and then
that was reason for him to killVanessa.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
And then kill himself .
Speaker 2 (13:01):
And then kill himself .
There is speculation also thatmaybe he was the one that was
harassing Vanessa Guillen,sexually harassing her, but then
that doesn't to me make senseof why on her Instagram?
Did you yeah it doesn't makesense of why the girl would kind
(13:25):
of back him up and do all ofthis for him too.
Another really weird part ofthis is they were only together
for two months when thishappened the married lady and
Aaron Robinson.
Do you see anything that isrelated to what I was talking
(13:46):
about?
Speaker 1 (13:47):
I'm trying to look at it.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
And so the unanswered questions is really the worst
part of this, for me anyway.
I mean, obviously the murder isnotwithstanding, right, that's
the worst part.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
This one says he showed her the darkest part of
him.
She said black is my favoritecolor yeah, see, those are just
weird, right I love her darkside of her.
Any girl can play innocent, buther demons are what drove me
wild.
Her secrets, her pain, shemessed with laughter, the
(14:24):
darkness that she tries to hide,heart hard to hide, that's what
made me fall for her.
I think that's a girl.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Girl, yeah, dang so when we fast forward to more
recently, like I said, the shedoesn't look like that on her
mug shots no, no, she doesn't um, but, like we were, the most
recent update, I guess, is theonly real conclusion.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Okay, here's the one, I guess she was born in fire
fierce to melt the iron.
You fell in love with a womanwho knows how to tame the dragon
.
She's a char.
I don't know of her soul.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Okay, fierce to melt the iron.
You fell in love with a womanwho knows how to tame the dragon
.
She's the tardigan of her ownsoul, or targaryen.
So targaryen's from um, um gameof thrones, the lady that's oh,
(15:30):
that's true has the dragons, Ithink.
Anyway, so she ended up.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Oh.
So here's the way Joking.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
So her name's Cecily Aguilar, that lady, and she was
found guilty of conspiring.
Oh, she's a Gemini, this lady.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Cecily oh, she's a Gemini.
This lady, yeah.
So she was sentenced to 30years for her role, accessory
after the fact, and three countsof making false statements.
Now I know that, since this hashappened.
Now I know that, since this hashappened, there is also the
(16:17):
Vanessa Guillen law.
Oh yeah, which is supposed tomake it easier for women to
report abuse.
Harassment assault In themilitary.
I don't know anything about howthat law is going or how it has
affected things, but yeah, wehaven't heard updates on it, but
(16:39):
but we hope it's working yes,and so what are the parts of
this for you that just don't sitright, because it feels like
there's a lot.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
I mean the relationship-wise, where he
thought she would be like, evenif she told on them like what's
the proof you have?
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Also true.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
She didn't have messages, she didn't have
pictures.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Like how is I don't get it Like, if someone is going
to accuse me of cheating, Imight as well have pictures of
it.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Yeah, so this is.
I'm with you on all that and Idon't think there's a situation
where somebody is going toaccuse me of cheating and I'm
killing them, yeah, yeah,exactly, and like the killing
inside the base.
Right.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
How is that reasonable?
No, it's not, and so I mean ifyou would think someone is in
the military, you would thinkthat they they do get
psychologically approved ortested?
Speaker 2 (17:46):
I believe so yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Who passed this guy?
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Yeah, that's a that's a good question.
Who passed this guy?
Yeah, that's a, that's a goodquestion.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
The other thing because I'm trying to think of
what are the situations?
Like plan wise, like he was,like fuck it, I'm gonna kill her
right now it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
It doesn't make sense to me it.
But if she was, if he was theabuser, maybe okay, so that
would make sense.
That makes more sense.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
I also have seen in other cases but a hammer like I
want to know what was theconfrontation was like, yeah,
because there's rage or on whereyou push someone like a back
the fuck up, you know shit likethat, but I have to you for
someone to grab a hammer andintentionally hit them on the
(18:40):
head or something.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Yeah.
It's like let's see where thedetails were.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
You go through a process of thinking like this is
going to happen and I knowwhat's, what's it going to cost,
how much pain or how much, likehe knew once.
I'm pretty sure once he grabbedthe hammer he knew she was out
yeah, because you don't justhurt somebody with a hammer no
right, like that's prettyexcessive.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
That's what I'm saying if it was a push or
something as like okay, it wasconfrontational, but it was a
mistake yeah, not to that level,you know yeah, and I guess the
other thing that's a possibilityto me is if she had rejected
(19:32):
him I.
I've heard of guys losing it.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Because the story that we've been told, I don't
buy it.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
No.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
And I don't know why else let's say it this way, why
else let's say it this way?
Let's say somebody that youknew and are close to confides
in you that somebody is abusingthem.
Right, right, maybe somebodyraped them, whatever Right.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
And then they die in a car accident Randomly.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Randomly, are you going around talking about that
assault that they confessed toyou?
Yes, you would.
Yes, I guess.
In my mind it didn't seemrelated, but maybe the family
thought it was related.
I mean, it kind of is related,I guess, if you're looking at
(20:38):
the way women are or weretreated.
I don't know the situation.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Like on high alert type of thing.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
I guess that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
I mean, we all agree on the fucking fact that the
story they gave us it doesn'tadd up.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
And they're taking it and they're giving us like
here's a story, like you guysbuy that I think the family has
a story and I don't think theyhave all the answers, so they're
kind of giving us the piecesthat they know and they're
hoping somebody else will helpthem fill in the blanks.
(21:14):
Right, is that how you'retaking this?
Yeah, because I just don't seewhy you murder her it doesn't
what I said.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
It doesn't make sense .
And then it doesn't make senseto me why this girl helps the
guy get rid of the body whenthey've only been together for
two months.
That doesn't make sense to meeither what was the conversation
?
Speaker 1 (21:45):
that's the thing.
What was the conversation likefor him to ask her?
And she would agree so likeeven if it's come over to my
place.
I'm gonna move a box.
Don't open it.
Even if it's that.
What the fuck are you takingthe box over there by the river?
Speaker 2 (22:05):
imagine me calling you with that and they'd be like
no no fucking way like lend meyour truck.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
No, no, what's this box?
Speaker 2 (22:14):
I got this weird box that I need to dump in the river
.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
You don't need to open it.
Don't open it, we're going toburn it and then we're going to
dump it.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Yeah, yeah, I need to borrow your truck.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
No no.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
None of it makes sense.
No, I don't know if this isenough, because the only thing
that I can mentally do to kindof deal with this is he's just,
they're just idiots and theyjust do dumb shit.
And then they just do dumbershit to clean it up.
(22:50):
And because if I had, first ofall, they were in the base yeah
they never left.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
He kind of knew there was no way out of this, but
also killing himself withoutgiving us.
He could have given us the fullstory and then killed himself
yeah, I have never met a person,and after two months ago I'll
(23:25):
do this for you if she killedthe dude and I need to bury him,
I'm gonna do it.
It's never happened I mean,even if angie tells you right
now, like no, I'm not going todo it.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Sorry.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
You're going to jail.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
You're going to jail.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, but like that's what,this is right.
This girl was told by herboyfriend hey, I killed this
chick.
I need you to help me get ridof her.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
That's what I'm saying.
Like what happened?
I would have had questions,right yeah, like.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Exactly why are you killing women?
What does she do to you?
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Where were you?
When did this happen?
How did it happen?
I'm pretty sure she had to askhow did it happen?
Speaker 2 (24:05):
And he gave her that story before everything else
went viral, so he admitted tohitting her with the hammer
right.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Killing her with the hammer Her with the hammer right
?
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yes, killing her with the hammer.
The way I took it, he didn'tlike, hit her a bunch of times
which you don't really need toright.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
No, I mean once the hammer is in, that's it.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Yeah and so, but it's just.
It's maddening because there'sno situation where I'm on his
side and that this is justified.
There's zero.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
It doesn't make sense .
Speaker 2 (24:45):
It doesn't make sense , and so I'm hoping the good
that comes out of this is thenew law that's out.
I will tell you that I dated agirl that was in the Army, and
her stories that she told meabout being in the Army were
pretty horrible.
That was in the 90s and so it'sstill going on, yeah.
(25:08):
I imagine if it is gettingfixed, it can't be 100% fixed
yet yeah.
Like maybe it's better, but nota hundred percent I feel like
we still have a ways to go.
Yeah, is there anything else youwant to add?
I want the full story I do too,and I wish there was a way to
(25:34):
get this.
Maybe considering our lastepisode, maybe AI will be able
to figure out what actuallyhappened.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Hopefully.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
So that's a little bit of a bummer story.
However, it was reallyimportant when it came out.
It was a big reason.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
And we're bringing it back just to see if they got
any new details.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
The bill was the Vanessa Guillen, was it called
bill?
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Whatever you, want to call it.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
I mean it was passed, so hopefully it is working out
for the women out there.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Yeah, you know, and I've told women this before,
this is kind of the trailblazingera for women yeah you know,
women weren't allowed to do alot of things before and then,
when they were, not very manywomen either knew how or still
weren't given the opportunities.
(26:35):
And so with women being in themilitary, there's, I guess, to
be expected, some growing pains,because women weren't always
allowed in the military.
But we need to get there, andthe sooner the better.
Mm-hmm, because Warren Buffett,who's like one of the world's
(26:55):
richest men, he said he thinksthe United States is in a good
spot.
And when they asked him why, hesaid for most of our existence
we've only been using half ofour workforce.
The fact that women are nowgetting involved, the future
looks bright.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
I love that idea Isn't there more women than men
in the world.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
I'm sure there is.
Yeah, feels like there is.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
I don't know if that's an insult, but I mean
you're gay.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
anyways, You're considered a woman.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
My wife has accused me of being a lesbian.
It's true.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
You're a lesbian man, I'm a lesbian man.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
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Welcome back to Paranormal 956.
My name is David.
As always, I'm here with Bianca.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Hi guys.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
What are we talking about today?
Speaker 1 (00:17):
So, this was a case that kind of woke a lot of
people up and, I don't know,made everyone feel some type of
rage, I guess, some type ofuncomfortableness it hits on a
lot of levels.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, it hits on a lot of levels.
And it's not only that, but itleaves an uneasy feeling all
over the place.
We're talking about the murderof Vanessa Guillen.
Vanessa Guillen was a soldierat Fort Hood.
(00:59):
We're in deep South Texas.
At the time she was in Killeen,texas, at a place called Fort
Hood.
I believe they changed the name.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
They did.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah, and so I forgot what the name of it is now.
But Vanessa Guillen was.
What is it?
Speaker 1 (01:25):
it's now named after General Richard Edward Cavazos,
the first Hispanic Americanforce army general and general,
I don't know so I think that guyis from Kingsville, hispanic
rather than Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Yeah, so the original brigadier general.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Brigadier yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Yeah, so the original Fort Hood was a Civil War
general and then they made itinto an American, a US general.
I always thought it was weirdthat they would name a military
base after a Civil War general,when the Civil War was the enemy
(02:13):
of the.
That always seems weird, butanyway, anyways.
So we're talking about VanessaGuillen.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
It's already named.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
She was a young, what like 22 years old, 20 year old.
Yeah, she barely started.
Yeah, she was a 20 year oldyoung lady, 20 year old.
I don't know why that soundsweird to say that 20 year old
young lady, and she's from texasas well yep I think from like
the houston area, yep, and shejoined the military and was very
(02:45):
close with her family, whichisn't surprising, right?
Speaker 1 (02:47):
A lot of you get separated out there.
You still keep in contact.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Sure, and so her family had been told by Vanessa
that she, she had troubles.
She was dealing with someharassment.
She was dealing with someharassment and I guess they were
trying to convince her to goforward.
(03:11):
She had a little bit ofpushback.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
That she had known of other women who had come
forward.
And nothing had worked out forthem, and so she wasn't super
keen on doing that yeah and thenshe goes missing and broke out
of nowhere uncharacteristicallyright, because she wasn't a
problem child and she wasn't introuble with they weren't.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Let's just say they weren't like checking her
constantly for causing issues oranything like that.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
And so she ends up going missing and she's not
answering her phone, and we doknow that the person that was
later suspected was the lastperson to talk to her.
Yeah, later suspected was thelast person to talk to her.
(04:08):
Yeah, and we know that peoplealso on the base had said that
they had seen him walking aroundwith like a big, like one of
those roller boxes and thatseemed like office, seems a
little suspicious, right, Ithink they call them a tough box
(04:29):
, where you put stuff in and youcan wheel it around, but it's
all in the box and so, um, hereit is.
The Robinson guy was the onethat was carrying a tough box, a
tough box, yeah.
And so they end up getting hisconsent to search his phone and
(04:53):
they find that he had madeseveral calls to his girlfriend
at the time and they were lateat night and he had gone into
work at like 6 in the morningthe next day, but he's still on
the phone at 3 at night and hehad gone into work at like six
in the morning the next day, buthe's still like on the phone at
three at night okay and so theyoriginally asked him if he
would take a lie detector test,and he said no, but what he was
(05:16):
willing to do is he was willingto be interviewed by the lie
detector person and the liedetector person said and the lie
detector person said this guy'slying about everything and so,
while all of this is going on,there's protests and the
family's trying to get some eyeson this right.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
They post some stuff on social media.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
So the thing is that they see her in the base, but
they never see her go out thebase right, she never leaves now
like entering and leaving, it'spretty tight right cameras
everywhere so it doesn't makesense.
She's inside, she never goesoutside right now.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
For those of you who have never been to Killeen or
who are not familiar with FortHood, it is one of the largest
army bases in the world.
It's a gigantic place.
So the city of Killeen, whichis the nearest city, is not as
big as the military base.
The military base is bigger andhas more people than the
(06:25):
nearest city, which is Killeen.
Yeah, now I have been toKilleen and I have stayed the
night there and you can hearbombs going off 24 7 oh geez,
because no wonder people don'tlive there well, because they do
target practice with bombs andso it's pretty crazy to live out
(06:45):
there, right?
And so the family starts postingon social media and she kind of
goes viral.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
And I remember we were in school at the time and I
remember you talking about itand I think she's a little bit
older than you, or would havebeen a little bit older than you
, but not by much, no.
And so I'm sure, like a lot ofpeople kind of identify with
this young lady, right, likeshe's trying to make it in this
(07:16):
world.
You know she's putting all herchips in the military, right.
Yeah, you know it's got to betough for her, but it's what she
wants to do and she's hoping itpays off.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Right, yeah, she's.
She was basically sticking itout, even though she was going
through the harassment and allthis stuff.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
She was like no, like , like I'll finish it, like I
can get through this, like it'sgonna work out yeah, and so
she's probably thinking abouther future, right, and she's
gonna have military benefits andshe's to be able to see the
world and hopefully she gets agi bill, and you know.
So she's looking at this like alife that she's going to
sacrifice right, right now andthen it's going to pay off in
(07:55):
the future and so when they'veput the reward out, um, like I
said, it goes viral.
They start to get some of theinformation from the phones and
they start to notice that thisguy I think his name was the
Robertson Robinson ends updriving I think it was like 30
(08:21):
minutes, 20 minutes to thisriver, and they notice that he
was on this bridge for a longtime the Leon River.
The Leon River, which I hadnever heard of before this.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Me neither.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
I don't know how big this river is, but they end up
going out there and they findthis tough box.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
The tough box.
The tough box right.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
And obviously her remains are inside.
They had try not to be toogross about this, but they had
cut her up to fit in the boxwasn't it like burn?
too, and they also tried to burnit they tried, yeah yeah, and
so I don't know if it was thatit didn't burn or if it was
making too big of a fire thatthey panicked.
(09:05):
But anyway, they really startto hone in on this Robinson guy
and they find out that eventhough he was on the phone with
his girlfriend, when they lookedat her phone she was at all the
same places that he was.
And so she was with him duringall of this, and so they're
(09:27):
starting to kind of get theireye on her too.
They put this guy under housearrest in the military base, and
so for those people who don'tknow, in the military, if you're
part of the military you have awhole different justice system
than we do as civilians.
So we have the right ascivilians in the United States
(09:50):
to go to jury with our peers,right?
So people like us, that's nothow it is in the military.
In the military, when you go tocourt, you're being judged by
higher-ups court you're beingjudged by higher-ups.
So if you're like a sergeant,you're getting captains to look
(10:11):
at your case and usually they'reeducated in law, so they're not
dummies.
I think the idea is in oursystem that you could kind of
pull a fast one over some people.
Some people are found innocentthat really aren't because the
jury.
He looks nice.
Well, the jury doesn'tunderstand, you know.
They start talking high techDNA.
(10:31):
We don't know any of that, youknow.
And so some people get off thatmaybe they shouldn't Right, and
I think it's designed that waybecause in our society I think
we would rather people be freethan be in jail.
That shouldn't be right, and somilitary is not like that.
And then when you are foundguilty in the military, um, I
(10:52):
don't know if they have thedeath penalty or not, but I know
that they have really harshpunishment.
So like you can go to like awork camp and have to work, work
like like a slave, right, likereally bad Right.
And so that's what he wasfacing, right.
And so they put him in housearrest and he disappears, right.
(11:13):
Which again kind of to yourpoint earlier about why nobody
ever saw Vanessa Guillen leavethe base.
Nobody ever saw him leaveeither.
Yeah, right, and he gets offand so fast forward, he spotted
that and the police find him andhe kills himself.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
And all that's left is the girlfriend.
And it turns out that thegirlfriend was married at the
time and she starts posting.
I don't know if we have any ofthis, but she starts posting
really weird stuff on herInstagram.
Like starts posting reallyweird stuff on her instagram,
(11:58):
right, um, that she was in lovewith the girl because of her
dark side.
Just really weird random stuff,talking like professing their
love to a girl but she neversaid who it was.
And then, um, she ends up atfirst obviously lying, right
yeah and then slowly gives in,slowly gives in, and so the most
(12:21):
information that we have thatwe've talked about so far we
know because of With this guykilling himself, this Aaron
Robinson.
We really have an unsatisfyingend to this as far as not
knowing what the motive reallywas, and so there was
(12:44):
speculation that because he wasin a relationship with the
married woman, that he could getpunished for that, and then
that was reason for him to killVanessa.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
And then kill himself .
Speaker 2 (13:01):
And then kill himself .
There is speculation also thatmaybe he was the one that was
harassing Vanessa Guillen,sexually harassing her, but then
that doesn't to me make senseof why on her Instagram?
Did you yeah it doesn't makesense of why the girl would kind
(13:25):
of back him up and do all ofthis for him too.
Another really weird part ofthis is they were only together
for two months when thishappened the married lady and
Aaron Robinson.
Do you see anything that isrelated to what I was talking
(13:46):
about?
Speaker 1 (13:47):
I'm trying to look at it.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
And so the unanswered questions is really the worst
part of this, for me anyway.
I mean, obviously the murder isnotwithstanding, right, that's
the worst part.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
This one says he showed her the darkest part of
him.
She said black is my favoritecolor yeah, see, those are just
weird, right I love her darkside of her.
Any girl can play innocent, buther demons are what drove me
wild.
Her secrets, her pain, shemessed with laughter, the
(14:24):
darkness that she tries to hide,heart hard to hide, that's what
made me fall for her.
I think that's a girl.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Girl, yeah, dang so when we fast forward to more
recently, like I said, the shedoesn't look like that on her
mug shots no, no, she doesn't um, but, like we were, the most
recent update, I guess, is theonly real conclusion.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Okay, here's the one, I guess she was born in fire
fierce to melt the iron.
You fell in love with a womanwho knows how to tame the dragon
.
She's a char.
I don't know of her soul.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Okay, fierce to melt the iron.
You fell in love with a womanwho knows how to tame the dragon
.
She's the tardigan of her ownsoul, or targaryen.
So targaryen's from um, um gameof thrones, the lady that's oh,
(15:30):
that's true has the dragons, Ithink.
Anyway, so she ended up.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Oh.
So here's the way Joking.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
So her name's Cecily Aguilar, that lady, and she was
found guilty of conspiring.
Oh, she's a Gemini, this lady.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Cecily oh, she's a Gemini.
This lady, yeah.
So she was sentenced to 30years for her role, accessory
after the fact, and three countsof making false statements.
Now I know that, since this hashappened.
Now I know that, since this hashappened, there is also the
(16:17):
Vanessa Guillen law.
Oh yeah, which is supposed tomake it easier for women to
report abuse.
Harassment assault In themilitary.
I don't know anything about howthat law is going or how it has
affected things, but yeah, wehaven't heard updates on it, but
(16:39):
but we hope it's working yes,and so what are the parts of
this for you that just don't sitright, because it feels like
there's a lot.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
I mean the relationship-wise, where he
thought she would be like, evenif she told on them like what's
the proof you have?
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Also true.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
She didn't have messages, she didn't have
pictures.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Like how is I don't get it Like, if someone is going
to accuse me of cheating, Imight as well have pictures of
it.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Yeah, so this is.
I'm with you on all that and Idon't think there's a situation
where somebody is going toaccuse me of cheating and I'm
killing them, yeah, yeah,exactly, and like the killing
inside the base.
Right.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
How is that reasonable?
No, it's not, and so I mean ifyou would think someone is in
the military, you would thinkthat they they do get
psychologically approved ortested?
Speaker 2 (17:46):
I believe so yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Who passed this guy?
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Yeah, that's a that's a good question.
Who passed this guy?
Yeah, that's a, that's a goodquestion.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
The other thing because I'm trying to think of
what are the situations?
Like plan wise, like he was,like fuck it, I'm gonna kill her
right now it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
It doesn't make sense to me it.
But if she was, if he was theabuser, maybe okay, so that
would make sense.
That makes more sense.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
I also have seen in other cases but a hammer like I
want to know what was theconfrontation was like, yeah,
because there's rage or on whereyou push someone like a back
the fuck up, you know shit likethat, but I have to you for
someone to grab a hammer andintentionally hit them on the
(18:40):
head or something.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Yeah.
It's like let's see where thedetails were.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
You go through a process of thinking like this is
going to happen and I knowwhat's, what's it going to cost,
how much pain or how much, likehe knew once.
I'm pretty sure once he grabbedthe hammer he knew she was out
yeah, because you don't justhurt somebody with a hammer no
right, like that's prettyexcessive.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
That's what I'm saying if it was a push or
something as like okay, it wasconfrontational, but it was a
mistake yeah, not to that level,you know yeah, and I guess the
other thing that's a possibilityto me is if she had rejected
(19:32):
him I.
I've heard of guys losing it.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Because the story that we've been told, I don't
buy it.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
No.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
And I don't know why else let's say it this way, why
else let's say it this way?
Let's say somebody that youknew and are close to confides
in you that somebody is abusingthem.
Right, right, maybe somebodyraped them, whatever Right.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
And then they die in a car accident Randomly.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Randomly, are you going around talking about that
assault that they confessed toyou?
Yes, you would.
Yes, I guess.
In my mind it didn't seemrelated, but maybe the family
thought it was related.
I mean, it kind of is related,I guess, if you're looking at
(20:38):
the way women are or weretreated.
I don't know the situation.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Like on high alert type of thing.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
I guess that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
I mean, we all agree on the fucking fact that the
story they gave us it doesn'tadd up.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
And they're taking it and they're giving us like
here's a story, like you guysbuy that I think the family has
a story and I don't think theyhave all the answers, so they're
kind of giving us the piecesthat they know and they're
hoping somebody else will helpthem fill in the blanks.
(21:14):
Right, is that how you'retaking this?
Yeah, because I just don't seewhy you murder her it doesn't
what I said.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
It doesn't make sense .
And then it doesn't make senseto me why this girl helps the
guy get rid of the body whenthey've only been together for
two months.
That doesn't make sense to meeither what was the conversation
?
Speaker 1 (21:45):
that's the thing.
What was the conversation likefor him to ask her?
And she would agree so likeeven if it's come over to my
place.
I'm gonna move a box.
Don't open it.
Even if it's that.
What the fuck are you takingthe box over there by the river?
Speaker 2 (22:05):
imagine me calling you with that and they'd be like
no no fucking way like lend meyour truck.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
No, no, what's this box?
Speaker 2 (22:14):
I got this weird box that I need to dump in the river
.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
You don't need to open it.
Don't open it, we're going toburn it and then we're going to
dump it.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Yeah, yeah, I need to borrow your truck.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
No no.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
None of it makes sense.
No, I don't know if this isenough, because the only thing
that I can mentally do to kindof deal with this is he's just,
they're just idiots and theyjust do dumb shit.
And then they just do dumbershit to clean it up.
(22:50):
And because if I had, first ofall, they were in the base yeah
they never left.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
He kind of knew there was no way out of this, but
also killing himself withoutgiving us.
He could have given us the fullstory and then killed himself
yeah, I have never met a person,and after two months ago I'll
(23:25):
do this for you if she killedthe dude and I need to bury him,
I'm gonna do it.
It's never happened I mean,even if angie tells you right
now, like no, I'm not going todo it.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Sorry.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
You're going to jail.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
You're going to jail.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, but like that's what,this is right.
This girl was told by herboyfriend hey, I killed this
chick.
I need you to help me get ridof her.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
That's what I'm saying.
Like what happened?
I would have had questions,right yeah, like.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Exactly why are you killing women?
What does she do to you?
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Where were you?
When did this happen?
How did it happen?
I'm pretty sure she had to askhow did it happen?
Speaker 2 (24:05):
And he gave her that story before everything else
went viral, so he admitted tohitting her with the hammer
right.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Killing her with the hammer Her with the hammer right
?
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yes, killing her with the hammer.
The way I took it, he didn'tlike, hit her a bunch of times
which you don't really need toright.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
No, I mean once the hammer is in, that's it.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Yeah and so, but it's just.
It's maddening because there'sno situation where I'm on his
side and that this is justified.
There's zero.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
It doesn't make sense .
Speaker 2 (24:45):
It doesn't make sense , and so I'm hoping the good
that comes out of this is thenew law that's out.
I will tell you that I dated agirl that was in the Army, and
her stories that she told meabout being in the Army were
pretty horrible.
That was in the 90s and so it'sstill going on, yeah.
(25:08):
I imagine if it is gettingfixed, it can't be 100% fixed
yet yeah.
Like maybe it's better, but nota hundred percent I feel like
we still have a ways to go.
Yeah, is there anything else youwant to add?
I want the full story I do too,and I wish there was a way to
(25:34):
get this.
Maybe considering our lastepisode, maybe AI will be able
to figure out what actuallyhappened.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Hopefully.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
So that's a little bit of a bummer story.
However, it was reallyimportant when it came out.
It was a big reason.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
And we're bringing it back just to see if they got
any new details.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
The bill was the Vanessa Guillen, was it called
bill?
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Whatever you, want to call it.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
I mean it was passed, so hopefully it is working out
for the women out there.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Yeah, you know, and I've told women this before,
this is kind of the trailblazingera for women yeah you know,
women weren't allowed to do alot of things before and then,
when they were, not very manywomen either knew how or still
weren't given the opportunities.
(26:35):
And so with women being in themilitary, there's, I guess, to
be expected, some growing pains,because women weren't always
allowed in the military.
But we need to get there, andthe sooner the better.
Mm-hmm, because Warren Buffett,who's like one of the world's
(26:55):
richest men, he said he thinksthe United States is in a good
spot.
And when they asked him why, hesaid for most of our existence
we've only been using half ofour workforce.
The fact that women are nowgetting involved, the future
looks bright.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
I love that idea Isn't there more women than men
in the world.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
I'm sure there is.
Yeah, feels like there is.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
I don't know if that's an insult, but I mean
you're gay.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
anyways, You're considered a woman.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
My wife has accused me of being a lesbian.
It's true.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
You're a lesbian man, I'm a lesbian man.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Right, right, that's it for today.
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