Dark Decades: Uncovering Satanic Panic and Lycan Legends

Did you ever wonder why the 1980s were so gripped by fears of hidden satanic cults? Join us on this spine-tingling episode of Paranormal Howl Hour as we unravel the bizarre phenomenon known as the Satanic Panic. We start with some light-hearted banter about our week, including the joys of food truck tacos and pumpkin spice lattes, and our lovable puggle, Jack, making his usual adorable interruptions. Our chat takes a nostalgic turn as we reminisce about the perilous playgrounds of our youth, focusing on the infamous McDonald's Playlands, complete with their creepy mascots and hazardous play equipment.

The nostalgia is short-lived as we venture into the darker side of the 1980s, exploring how the Satanic Panic infiltrated everyday life, including the fast food giant McDonald's. We delve into the roots of this moral hysteria, examining the cultural climate that allowed such bizarre conspiracy theories to thrive. With cases like the McMartin Preschool trial serving as stark reminders, we discuss how media sensationalism and unverified allegations led to widespread paranoia, even affecting corporations like McDonald's and Procter & Gamble. This chapter offers a sobering reflection on how fear can permeate society, leading to unfounded accusations and moral chaos.

Finally, we treat you to some eerie tales that will send shivers down your spine. Discover the mysterious life of Emily Isabella Burt, whose sharp canine teeth and nighttime escapades fueled local legends. We also explore the chilling lore of werewolves and vampires, comparing their mythologies and their portrayals in popular culture. From Twilight to Buffy the Vampire Slayer, we discuss the cultural obsession with these supernatural beings and share some of our favorite moments from 90s and 2000s vampire shows. Whether you're here for the laughs, the nostalgia, or the eerie stories, this episode has something for everyone. Tune in and prepare for a blend of humor, history, and the paranormal that will keep you hooked from start to finish.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Omnis immundae spiritus, omnis satanica
potestas, omnis incesmiuminfernalis adversarii, omnis
legio, omnis congregatio etsecta diabolica in nomine et

(00:20):
virtutei.
Nomini our Lord Jesus Christ,to be eradicated and eradicated.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Welcome, boo Crew, to another episode of Paranormal
Howl Hour.
I'm your host, paranormal Howl,and with me is my spooky sass,
who has a fine personality.
How you doing tonight, james?

Speaker 3 (01:12):
I'm good.
How are you?

Speaker 2 (01:15):
I'm good, I thought that went up on the spot.
How'd you like that?

Speaker 3 (01:18):
I like that sass with the yeah, I like that with it
with an air leak yeah, that onewas good, thanks, how are you
doing I?

Speaker 2 (01:33):
try.
I try um, I'm good, I'm allright.
You know, living life, livingthe dream ditto yeah, yeah,
that's good.
Anything exciting happen thisweek.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
Yeah, it happened.
Today I had my favorite food.
I gotta have food truck food.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Yeah, we went to the taco trucks today.
Yeah, or well the food trucks,but mainly they sell a lot of
tacos Food truck row.
Yeah, it's good stuff.
Yeah, it was amazing.
It was a beautiful day todaytoo it was.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
It was nice, but you know what I can smell?

Speaker 2 (02:12):
fall in the air, I know I I don't know if you
noticed, but lots of uh, lots ofleaves falling all over the
place don't take my warm daysaway from me so soon.
It's still september um, excuseme, weren't you the one that
had a pumpkin spice latte today?
I started having them two weeksago you did you did, and

(02:41):
believe it or not, I've had likeone pumpkin spice latte since
they've come back.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
Well, I went and tried to sell out Aldi of the
zero sugar pumpkin spice creamerfor my coffee.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
So you know, and weren't you the one that said oh
don't, I don don't want to, Idon't want to get sick of it, I
don't want too much, too fast.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
Well, you know how that goes Every year Every year
you even got pumpkin spicewhipped cream in the fridge?
I sure did, and it's delish, ohboy yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
It's amazing, jack is going to be very vocal today, I
feel.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
Yeah, I think he's going to be tonight.
He's had lots of sleeps beforehis sleep and he's mad at his
bed.
Yes, he is.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
It's not even his bed .
I bought it for all of us.
I bought a.
You know what.
Before I go into what I bought,we never said anything about
who Jack is or how.
Jack is our puggle.
He's our four-legged son, yes,and he's adorable.
But every time we do this,every time we don't pay

(03:57):
attention to him, in general thetheatrics happen, and
specifically every time we getthese microphones in front of us
, he knows it's time, it's histime to distract and get loud
and get jiggy with it.
But yeah, he turns.
He turns to September 29th,very close, very close.
So we've been talking aboutJackson's, the first episode,

(04:21):
but never.
So there you go, there you haveit, and he's currently eating
the human-sized dog bed that Igot off of tiktok shop that you
said you'd never buy.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
Well, you know they sucked you in, yeah and I.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
You know it was a purchase.
You had gone on your, your minivacay to florida and it was
just me and the boy and I had tomake an emotionally charged
purchase.
You know it made me feel betterwhile you were gone, so and we
pretty much slept in it everynight that you were gone.
So but now you know he he'staking it over and you know it

(04:58):
is his, but we, we jump in everyonce in a while and you know,
for a for a little under threefoot dog, he could sprawl out
almost the whole six feet.
I don't know how he does it Idon't know, he's a no idea he's
a.
He's a grower, not a shower,come on.
No, oh yeah, it's true.

(05:21):
He so tiny and then, all of asudden, especially when he
sleeps, he becomes twice hissize.
I don't understand.
I feel like that's with everydog, though I know.
I don't know how they do it, Idon't either.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
I think it's a special power that God gave them
when he created pups.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Probably.
I wish I knew that superpowerwhen I was younger and I
couldn't get on like the big kidrides at the amusement park,
right, like, hold on one second.
Yeah, I, you know, I had allthese things.
It's so funny because everytime we record, things come up
in our podcast when we'retalking and I'm like, oh, I have

(06:01):
to remember that for nextepisode.
I have to remember that.
I have to.
I have to remember saying Ihave to say this.
I have to remember that fornext episode.
I have to remember that.
I have to.
I have to remember saying Ihave to say this, I have to get
this out.
I have to remind myself of, youknow, certain things I want to
say.
There's one thing that I didwant to say.
So last week we were talkingabout numerology and I mentioned
a movie with Jim Carrey youremember that and I was like, oh

(06:22):
, it's like the number nine orsomething kept coming up.
It's not the movie's called 23.
And it's about the number 23coming up everywhere.
Yeah, I looked it up because Iwas like, oh, I can't be wrong
about this, so it's called 23.
Oh, we watched that.
Really good, that's what we didon.
I was about to say we Fridaynight Friday yes.

(06:45):
Oh God, it was good.
Yeah, so we watched thatdocumentary.
It's a two, it's a two episodedocumentary on Netflix and it's
called Into the Fire the LostDaughter Such a good documentary
.
It's short, right, it's onlytwo episodes, but wow, you're
glued to it from the beginningto the end and it really goes

(07:09):
into a mother's instinct and howsuperhuman.
I always say this, I've alwayssaid this and I always thought
it.
You know, mothers aresuperhuman.
When you become a mom, you gainthis whole cache of superhuman
abilities and I appreciate that.
I appreciate that for you guys,it's uh, it's a marvel.

(07:31):
You have to become a mom tounlock those special superpowers
, for sure yeah, I don't know,we just we do it, I guess yeah,
it's marvelous, so I'm goingfirst this week.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
You are going first this week.
You are going first this week.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Yeah.
So I have one in the chamberthat I was talking about last
week, about Arkansas, becauseyou picked the state and I don't
want to push it out becauseit's a really good story.
I think it was very, veryeducational, informative for me.
I didn't even know about thisparticular thing, so it was
great to research.
I had a lot of fun doing it.

(08:05):
But you said something lastweek I did in your story.
Okay, it was your story aboutcorpsewood manor, yeah, and a
big, a big topic of discussionwas satanic panic.
Yeah, one thing that reallystuck with me was the whole

(08:25):
thing about McDonald's gettingthe shit out of here and the
stick when it came to theseTitanic panic.
I thought that was just nuts.
So I, I'm doing my, I'm doingmy story.
Arkansas will come next week.
Arkansas will come nextweekansas will come next week,

(08:45):
okay my story is about got allmicka days get out of here.
I did it on satanic panic andmcdonald's and the correlation
and what hat like kind of whatwent down because I couldn't get
out of my hat, right, okay, Imean, mcdonald's is such a big
corporation and there's so manypeople that purchase products

(09:09):
and work for you know McDonald'sCorporation and I just couldn't
.
When you said McDonald's andyou said that brief story, which
I'm going to go into a littlebit, I was like no freaking way,
and I was like well, I need toresearch more about this whole.
I want to research satanicpanic as a whole because there

(09:30):
was a lot of shit that went downduring that time and it is way
too much for me to solely coverin one episode.
It's definitely more than justa topic.
More than just a topic, I feellike it's more of a subject that
we can go over and over again,different, different, um,

(09:50):
different ways.
What's your story about thisweek?

Speaker 3 (09:54):
I have a story coming out of georgia again.
Oh, you stuck with georgia.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
Huh yeah, all right, there's a lot of stuff in
georgia I mean I guess this iswhat like?

Speaker 3 (10:05):
okay, yeah, I mean this was going to be like my
original georgia story, and thenI went down a rabbit hole,
right and I found the other onethat I did so, but this one's
very interesting and I need togo, I have to go back and find
the pictures so that I can um,you can have some pictures to
post for the story.
But yeah, it's, it's a good one.

(10:27):
Okay, all right.
Well, I'm not, I'm not, I'm notletting, I'm not letting loose
any clues yet.
I'd go, you'll get the gist ofit once I start telling it okay,
oh, is it something that Imight know about?
I don't think you'll know aboutthis.
I did not know about this.
It's kind of you kind of got totake your pick of whether it's

(10:49):
like a tall tale or a legend.
Oh well, kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
So Whether it's fact or fallacy, yeah, okay.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Well, I consider myself a healthy skeptic, so
I'll definitely let you know myopinion, okay.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
Ronald McDonald man and.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Grimace.
Yeah Well, you know, and hereyou know, I just have what
happened to Grimace?

Speaker 3 (11:11):
What happened to the burglar?
I want to know these things.
The Hamburglar, they came back,the little, the little.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
That's Grimace.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
No, the other ones, the ones that were different
colored.
What were they?
The ones that were differentcolored, what were they?
I don't know what you'retalking about.
Okay, the ones that weredifferent colors Mm-hmm, they
had shoes.
They looked like little mops onlegs.
They were different colors.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Are you talking about McDonald's or are you talking
about, like the Muppet Baby?

Speaker 3 (11:39):
McDonald's.
I'm going to find a picture ofthem.
Yeah, you do that Like when,you had that, like when you had,
like the mcdonald's play, play,land the playhouse, train the
playhouse.
Yeah, did you guys have thetrain and you could have parties
inside the?
The caboose, the train, caboose, yeah, like birthday parties
yeah, we had, we had a playlandarea.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
Oh god, I remember this and this is so.
My gen both of our generationsactually ours was completely
made of hard shit, not, like youknow, ball pits.
It was like there was likemetal slides and like everything
was metal, like get yourtetanus shot before you go to
that birthday party, because youknow you're risking it, I'll

(12:20):
try to find them.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Okay, you had the, the parties with, like the, the
orange orange drink and yeah, ohgod, yeah, okay, so yeah there
was like the orange drink, ifyou know.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
You know it was high c right, it was fucking high c
yeah, but I remember I was oneof the weird kids I guess nobody
ever liked you still are one ofthe weird kids, but anyway okay
, but, like you know, the therock, the ones that rock back
and forth, you know yeah, thebait, the big the, it was the

(12:53):
metal things that you sat on thespring, on the big ass spring,
the industrial spring, and yourgoal was always to hit the front
and hit the back.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
Yeah, yeah, like literally hit the ground so
nobody ever liked playing onthose and I did.
They were considered like whatyou played on until Fat Greasy
Kid got off of.
You know the other thing thatyou wanted to play on, but you
remember the Fry Guys and theFilet-O-Fish, so it was the fish
sandwich head and then, likethe sandwich, we never had the
fish head, we always just hadthe cheeseburger head.

(13:25):
No, that's the Filet-O-Fish, andthen the fish body.
It's a fish body with theFilet-O-Fish.
Well, we didn't.
You had a cheeseburger one, wehad a cheeseburger boy.
Okay, do you remember the FryGuys?
Though no, they were the little.
You remember kush balls.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Yeah, that's what they look like with throw them
at people.
Yeah on her show there was.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
There were so many good times, man, yeah, I didn't
have a mcdonald's in my town.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
No, no, I had to go to roswell, you had to go to
alien town to go to mcdee's.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
Yeah, yeah, see, you didn't have one of those.
Ew, god, that's no, that'sscary.
What the hell, jesus, you'regonna have to post it on our
website now that I showed you apicture of it, because
everybody's going to be likewhat is she looking at?
Oh, my Lord.
Okay, so this is the guy thatyou had.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
That's the guy we had yes, okay, that's the guy you
had.
And then we also had this big.
It was like a big tower thatyou would climb up and there was
a swivel ladder on it, not aladder swivel ladder on it, not
a ladder, a swivel slide on it.
So you'd climb up the head.
It was the big cheeseburger andyou'd climb up it.
Yeah, but it wasn't that, butthat was the slide.

(14:36):
That was the slide.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
Yeah, okay, so these are the Fry Guys.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
No, no, but underneath.
I don't remember the Fry guys.
I believe you, but underneaththose are the things you used to
ride.
Can you imagine letting go?
That's what the fry guys werelike.
They like, those were on legitsprings, like, and if you let go
, you were flying.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
Yeah, there's a creepy ass, ronald he's just
scared the shit out of me.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
There, right there that's.
It was a fucking cage.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
The great big cheeseburger cage.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
It was a goddamn prison, yes, and you'd climb up
it.
And then there was a.
Oh my God, you have to.
I gotta post all this.
That is too funny.
We were in cheeseburger prisonwith the Hamburglar.
Look at that.
These are very medieval.
Oh my, these are very medieval.

(15:35):
Oh my god, what did?

Speaker 3 (15:35):
we used to play on and that shit was outside, ours
was inside, burnt you to a crisp.
I was just gonna say the onesthat were outside.
There was no cover.
There was.
There was no protection.
Our skin was god.
How did we make it throughchildhood?

Speaker 2 (15:43):
that's why our skin's so leathery.
Now it's battle worn, battleworn from the play place.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
Yeah, oh my lord yeah , okay, I want to hear, I want
to hear how.
Oh, okay, yeah we should talk.
This is scary enough for livingchildhood geez so well, they
say, you spend the rest of yourlife getting over your childhood
.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
So well, I'll never get over that filet of fish I
just saw Jeez, oh my Lord.
You might think that burgersand Satanism are an unlikely
pair Right are an unlikely pairright.
But during the 80s and the 90s,mcdonald's became entangled in
conspiracy theories that accusedthe brand of promoting satanic

(16:33):
ideals from accusations againstits founder, who I have a
problem about with the founderanyway.
Have you ever seen that movie,the founder?
Yeah, I think we watched ittogether, didn't we?
We did not.
but michael keaton plays the guywe're about, I'm about to talk
about.
Okay, you should go watch themovie.
Who's ever?
Whoever's listening, it's a.
You would think it's boring,but it's not.

(16:55):
It's actually interesting.
I've never hated michael keatonso much and I love him.
So.
These accusations against itsfounder and strange claims about
its golden arches came intoview in the 80s and the 90s.
So grab your fries, girl, we'reabout to get into it.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
I wish I had some right now.
You want me to go get you some?
No, oh, I mean, yeah, I kind ofwant some.
Do you want to?

Speaker 2 (17:22):
go get some.
You want to go take a ride?
Okay, later, are you sure?
Like right now?
Yeah, let's go get some friesand a milkshake and we'll come
back, okay.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
To be continued.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
Okay, and we're back.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
We really did it, guys.
I have the hiccups, so, pardonme.
We got the goods and now we'reback.
We really did it, guys.
I have the hiccups, so pardonme.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Yeah, we got the goods and now we're back getting
ready to talk about and make ad's shout out to mcd's
drive-thru girl.
We gave jack a mcnug yeah, he'sgot a new.
He's got a mcdonald's boo yeah,he likes the girls at
mcdonald's.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
And now he's having a yeah now he's having a fry with
his mama, ok, so I guess let'sexplore the Are you going?

Speaker 2 (18:12):
to dive in.
Let's explore the bizarrechapter in American culture, the
satanic panic, and how itaffected the most unsuspecting
of places like the fast foodgiant McDonald's.
The satanic panic took root inthe US during the early 1980s, a
period marked by culturalshifts, rising religious
conservatism and growing fearsabout child safety.

(18:34):
The seeds of the panic wereplanted with the publication of
Michelle Remembers in 1980,which is a book that you also

(19:01):
mentioned last week.
Yes, I did.
This led to what we now referto as the Satanic Panic, a moral
panic where people feared thathidden Satanic groups were
infiltrating schools, daycaresand even the entertainment
industry.
Numerous daycare centers, suchas the infamous McMartin
Preschool, were accused of beingfronts for these cults fronts

(19:28):
for these cults.
Many of these accusationsresulted in long drawn out court
cases that ended withoutevidence but left lasting scars
on those accused.
Reports of bizarre ritualisticabuse, some involving children,
spread like wildfire.
Despite the lack of concreteproof, media coverage played a
major role in amplifying thesefears.
Talk shows and news outletsfrequently aired stories about
satanic rituals, presentinganecdotal accounts and

(19:50):
unverified allegations as fact.
This mass hysteria created anatmosphere where anything
remotely associated with symbolsof power, consumerism or youth
culture was seen as potentiallylinked to satanism, and
McDonald's, along with othercorporate giants, became targets
.
I think being in 2024, I thinkwe all have heard about

(20:13):
Hollywood, the Illuminati devilworshipping the sacrifices.
This, that, the other thing,ozzy.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
Osbourne biting the bat's head off.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
Okay everyone needs to leave Ozzy alone, though, yes
, please do.
He did what he did Wasn'tsupposed to be a real bad guy.
I just want everyone to keep inback of their minds that this
stuff is possible, and it's avery tricky and delicate
situation.
There are a lot of things thatI have a problem with concerning
satanic panic, and I think thatit's fair to say that, yes, it

(20:43):
started in the 80s and 90s.
It's still happening today,whether it's the paranoia of it
all or actual accounts, and youcan be the judge and you can do
your own research, but from whatI know, what I've seen, what
I've read, what I've heard, Ithink it's very much a real
thing.
I don't even know if this isgoing to make it into it, but
McDonald's is not the only onethat was accused.

(21:05):
The 80s were a time when peoplewere growing increasingly
suspicious of large corporations, seeing them as symbols of
greed or exploitation, andMcDonald's, one of the most
visible and successfulcorporations in America, became
a prime target for theseanxieties, if you will.

(21:26):
So the most famous stories toemerge during the Satanic Panic
involved Ray Kroc, the founderof McDonald's.
Around this time, rumors begancirculating that Kroc had
allegedly admitted to donatingpart of McDonald's profits to
the Church of Satan, andaccording to some versions of
the story, this admission wasmade during a televised

(21:47):
interview, although no footageor credible source of such an
interview has ever been found.
The rumor likely stemmed from acombination of fear and
misunderstanding.
The idea that a fast food giantwas funding satanic activities
fed into people's worst fearsabout consumerism gone awry.
Adding to the confusion wereclaims that the McDonald's logo

(22:09):
itself had hidden satanicmeanings.
Some conspiracy theoristspointed out that the golden
arches could be interpreted asthe number 13 when flipped
upside down, a number oftenassociated with bad luck in the
occult, which again, we wentthrough last week with the
special number 13 topic.
Others tried to claim that thearches had geometric

(22:32):
significance tied to occultsymbols, like the allegations
against Ray Kroc, these claimswere not based in any actual
factual evidence, but the powerof rumor and speculation kept
them alive.
This wasn't the only timeMcDonald's faced strange
accusations.
Another bizarre rumor claimedthat McDonald's was using

(22:52):
satanic blessings on their food,which would then be consumed by
unsuspecting customers.
This urban legend followed asimilar pattern to other satanic
panic rumors, which often tookinnocuous activities and gave
them a sinister twist.
Of course, these claims werethoroughly debunked, but they

(23:13):
nonetheless contributed to theparanoia of the time, mcdonald's
was not the only major companythat had become a target during
the satanic panic.
Procter Gamble, you know P&G?
Yeah, they found themselves inthe crosshairs of conspiracy
theorists due to its logo, whichfeatured a bearded man in the
moon surrounded by 13 stars getout of here, and conspiracy

(23:37):
theorists claimed that the logorepresented satanic symbols,
with the number 13 once againcoming into play.
Proctcter Gamble spent yearsbattling these accusations, even
filing lawsuits againstindividuals and organizations
that perpetuated the rumors.
The company eventually changedits logo in the mid-1990s to
distance itself from thecontroversy, but not before the

(23:59):
damage had been done.
Like McDonald's, procter Gamblehad nothing to do with Satanism
, but the persistence of theseconspiracy theories shows how
deep the paranoia of the satanicpanic ran.
Even children's entertainmentwas not immune.
Shows like He-Man, the Smurfsand Care Bears were all accused
of promoting satanic values, aswere popular games like Dungeons

(24:22):
and Dragons, which you alsomentioned last week yeah, like
Dungeons and Dragons, which youalso mentioned last week.
And parents, fueled by fear andsensationalist media reports,
began to see satanic messageseverywhere, from toy commercials
to Saturday morning cartoons.
To fully understand howMcDonald's and these other
brands got tangled in thesatanic panic, we have to look

(24:43):
at the larger cultural contextof the time.
The 1980s was a period of majorsocial and political change.
The rise of conservativeevangelical Christianity, along
with the growing influence ofthe religious right, contributed
to the heightened sense ofmoral vigilance.
Christian leaders andorganizations such as Jerry
Falwell's Moral Majority wereinstrumental in promoting the

(25:07):
idea that American society wasunder threat of satanic forces.
Fear was exacerbated by therapid expansion of mass media.
Sensationalist stories, oftenwith little factual basis,
spread quickly through talkshows, news programs and even
church sermons.
Shows like Geraldo Rivera'sinfamous special on satanic

(25:27):
rituals in 1988, which attractedmillions of viewers, amplified
these fears.
Rivera's program, along withothers like it, presented
dubious experts who claimed tohave insider knowledge of
satanic cults operating inAmerica.
And you and I were actuallytalking about last week the
shows we used to watch, likeSally, jesse Raphael, geraldo

(25:48):
Donahue, ricky Lake they all had.
They all had those types ofshows in the 80s and 90s about
like satanic cults and stufflike that.
So I mean it was some good TV,that's for sure, Less filtered,
yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
Less quote, unquote, politically correct and
everything it was.
You know well, we were allbuilt different, though, back in
the day the Care Bears, theTransformers, all of that but I
sit here and I'm like now.
Those which were our parentsare now grandparents, and what
do they think about the cartoonsthat our kids and grandkids are

(26:35):
watching?

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Okay, but have you seen some of these cartoons that
our kids, our quote unquotekids, are watching?
Not in 26 years?
Yeah, I'll tell you, they'renot any better, so yeah.
So Ray Kroc ended up puttingout a statement regarding the

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accusations and kind of just putit to rest.
He denounced the Church ofSatan and Satanic that he was
accused of and it kind of I meanit never really went away.
Mcdonald's was a big but, likeI said, it wasn't just the only
big brand company.
I mean it still happens today.
Um, a big one that people goafter is monster drinks.

(27:19):
You know that energy drink.
I have heard this before.
Yeah, well, some I rememberseeing, and I don't remember
where I saw it, but some guylike picked apart the entire can
and like where all of thequote-unquote satanic symbols
were.
And I remember distinctly thehow the m was made.
It's actually three, threelines separated.

(27:40):
Even though they look like an m, they're not connected, which
equals to like mock the Trinity,right?
Yeah, that's, that's the partthat I remember, yeah, so I mean
I don't care if people weredoing satanic rituals over my
chicken nuggies.
I mean they were still goodwhen I was five.
So whatever, leave my chickennuggies alone and you know what,

(28:03):
in all honesty, like I don't,they were definitely not doing
any type of ritual sacrificesother than leaving us kids to
our own devices on thoseabsolutely dangerous playhouses.
Yeah, so I mean, if a kid didyou know?

Speaker 3 (28:23):
if a kid did die, it was like accidental yet
intentional.
I mean my memories ofMcDonald's.
I will just say this mymemories of mcdonald's have led
me to have a witch chicken nuggyas a tattoo.
So you know, I have only goodmemory.
Like I there, I can't fathom itbeing part of satanic panic.
Yeah, and it's a witchy nug too.
Now I gotta get the boo nug,gotta get all the nugs.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
So yeah.
So I mean, you know McDonald'swas targeted.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
I thought that was really fucked up McDonald's,
procter Gamble, and now it'sjust P&G.
Right, but I mean, that's liketheir logo is just the P and the
G now, mm-hmm, okay yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
So and then I read somewhere that, like, like Taco
Bell was in on the mix but theycouldn't.
Really there wasn't anythinglike of significance that they
were talking shit about TacoBell.
But also, don't come after TacoBell.
But, if you listen, if you'regoing to do something to America
, hit them where it hurts.
Hit them at the fast foodrestaurants.
We love our fast food.
I mean, obviously the satanicpanic didn't dissuade anyone.

(29:26):
Mcdonald's sells billions andbillions of dollars worth of you
know products a year, so maybeit helped them.
I mean, certainly didn't makethem go out of business,
definitely did not.
But this whole satanic panicthing is very much a very
delicate topic because there arepeople that don't believe it,
people that do believe it,things that are true, things
that are not.
It's the whole satanic panic,it's the panic part that people

(29:50):
focus on right, the paranoia ofit all.
One of the major cases of the1980s was the McMartin Preschool
Trial.
It started in the 80s andprogressed through the early 90s
and it was one of the longestand most expensive criminal
cases in American history and itcentered around allegations of
child sexual abuse at theMcMurray Preschool in Manhattan

(30:11):
Beach, california.
So the initial allegations werein 1983, and the case began
when Judy Johnson, a parent ofone of the preschool children,
accused a teacher, ray Bucky, ofmolesting her son.
She also alleged that otherstaff members were involved.
Johnson's claims eventuallyexpanded to bizarre accusations,

(30:32):
including satanic rituals andanimal sacrifices.
The police sent a letter toabout 200 parents of children
who attended the preschool,asking them to talk to their
children about possible sexualabuse.
This led to numerous childrenbeing interviewed, often in ways
that were later criticized forbeing suggestive and leading.
The trial unfolded during aperiod of heightened concern in

(30:55):
the US about child abuse andsatanic rituals because of the
satanic panic.
Allegations included the claimsof underground tunnels, flying
witches and secret ceremonies,which added a sensationalized
aspect to the case.
The McMartin Preschool Trialspanned seven years, from 1984
to 1990, include a reallylengthy pre-trial investigation,

(31:17):
two separate trials and variouslegal proceedings.
In 84, the first charges werefiled against the McMartin
Preschool staff.
Then, three years later, from1987 to 1990, the first trial
lasted that long and endedwithout any convictions, and
then in 1990, a second trialfocused solely on Ray Bucky, but

(31:38):
it ended in acquittal.
Investigative journalists andscholars began to debunk many of
the myths surrounding sataniccults and the panic gradually
faded from public consciousness.
However, the impact of thesatanic panic can still be felt
today.
The phenomenon left a lastingmark on how we think about

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conspiracy theories, moralpanics and the power of media to
shape public opinion.
Mcdonald's, for its part,emerged from the satanic panic
relatively unscathed, thankgoodness.
But that clown, though.
But the rumors that swirledaround it served as a reminder
of how easily misinformation canbe spread, even in the absence
of evidence.
Today, we live in an age whereconspiracy theories are more

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visible than ever, thanks to theinternet and social media.
While we may be better equippedto debunk these rumors, the
lessons of the satanic panicremain relevant.
It's a powerful reminder of howfear and paranoia can distort
reality and how even the mostharmless symbols, like a pair of
golden arches, can become thefocus of wild speculation.

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Satanic panic is one of thosestrange chapters in history
where fear, media and societycollided to create a perfect
storm of conspiracy theories andmoral outrage.
Mcdonald's may have just beenserving burgers and fries, but
during the height of the panic,some people saw something far
more sinister behind thosegolden arches, like trans fats.

(33:12):
Yeah, the McMartin case, by theway, wasn't the only preschool
or school for that matter thatwas accused of this.
There were daycare workers andpreschool workers all over the
US that were accused of sexuallyabusing children in the 80s,
and many of the allegationsincluded charges of ritualized
abuse amid satanic practices.

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One staff member from adifferent school near McMartin
was tried, but the case endedwith a hung jury.
Other daycare workers facedcharges in New Jersey and South
Carolina and any convictionswere eventually overturned.
So this comes to and I feellike it's an extreme right,
because on one hand, you havesomething like the Salem witch

(33:55):
trials, where all of these kidswere believed and all of these
adults faced the consequencesright.
And it's kind of like a.
It's kind of like a modernthing that happened.
It was like a modern day Salemwitch trial.
However, although it might not,it might not be satanic
practice we have definitelyheard throughout the years of

(34:17):
allegations of daycare andpreschool workers engaging in
the abuse of children, the abuseof children.
So it's a very delicate topicand, yeah, it's a scary thing.
So the panic part, for sure it'slegitimate.
I don't think it's notlegitimate.
And also, you know the McMartincase, although it was famous
and a lot of the kids that hadclaims towards the workers ended

(34:40):
up getting debunked.
You have to be careful.
You don't know where the truthends and the lie begins.
Although this was a moment inhistory where accusations were
made, it was investigated andeventually cleared.
When you have little kidssaying certain things, you know
it's sort of like the out of themouth of babes, even if it's

(35:01):
said and unbelievable.
To do your due diligence as anadministrator, as an enforcement
law enforcement officer, as asocial worker, anyone that's
involved in the situation.
I think that it's a worthycause.
You know I'd rather, I'd ratherinvestigate a crying wolf

(35:21):
incident 100 times than notinvestigate that one time that
something bad is actuallyhappening.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
So yeah, and I mean all of this got got embedded on
these.
These children were notunscathed.
I mean you know they have tolive with either one.
It really happening, becauseyou don't know where the truth
begins and a lot.
I mean you know they eitherhave to live with okay, I'm
saying this or this reallydidn't happen.
Why are you making me say this?

(35:47):
I mean, like that's going tostay with them, it's going to be
, you know, embedded, sure it is.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
It's very sad.
Do you remember the McMartinpreschool trials?
By chance you were young, but Ido not.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
I was very, very young when all of this started.
I mean, like I said, I'm a late70s baby.
Yeah, 80s adolescence, 90shaving kids.
But yeah, I mean it's all veryreal to me and it wasn't so much
that I can remember peoplesaying satanic panic per se.

(36:22):
But you also have to understandI dealt with being from the
South, I dealt with a lot ofcult issues so and that goes
down another rabbit hole, butthat's I mean the ones in Mexico
.
I mean they base that off of asatanic cult.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
All of those bodies that they found.
And where was this and when wasthis?
Oh my God, it was in the early90s.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
This is a real thing.
That happened.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
This is a real thing.
Yes, it's on national news.
It was in the news.
Yeah, and this is the part of Iremember us talking about this.
It was right across the border.
Yeah, it was right across theborder.
Yeah, and they were likeholding hands and headless right
Mm-hmm.
And this wasn't the first timethat this happened.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
That was one of them.
That was one of them, and thenthere was another one, but they
had.
They said that it was fromsatanic ritual, like the murders
happened because it wasritualistic.
I'll look it up.
To be continued, tijuana, no,tijuana is on the California
side.
I remember us talking about it,the one that I know about
personally.
I want to say that I want tosay Jonesboro, but that's not

(37:26):
right.
Brownsville, brownsville yeah,I'll look it up, juarez.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Juarez Juarez and.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
Brownsville area.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
Oh, this was April 11th 1989.
Yes, the remains of dozens ofmutilated bodies that police
said were apparently victims ofsatanic ritual.
Yep, Hold on.
That's it.
I'm looking at WAPO right now.
Let's see how much it lets meread.
Discovered early this morningin graves just south of the
US-Mexican border in Matamoros,mexico, matamoros.

(37:55):
One dead was a 21-year-oldUniversity of Texas pre-med
student who had been missingsince spring break outing last
month.
So they had four suspects thatwere taken into custody.
Yeah, um, I think the leader wassaid they had a woman what I
think the leader was a woman themexican police officer said
they had served a drug searchwarrant on a ranch 20 miles west

(38:17):
of Matamoros and found a shackthat had been used for voodoo
and satanic worship.
Dang, we're gonna have to do it.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
Okay, we'll have to do one about this, yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
I'm not gonna go too much into it, because you should
definitely take the reins onthat one, since you lived there.
I mean you lived near there,that's your neck of the woods,
definitely my neck of the woods.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
It was scary.
I feel like like, yes, thesatanic panic is not so much
called that.
It's not called that anymore,but I still believe that it's.
It's very much a thing thatgoes on in the world.
Just like you said, inhollywood, I mean, we've got the
illuminati, you know right, andthat's a whole.

(38:57):
That's a whole anotherPandora's box to get open.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
But you know, I mean there are I think, one way or
another, you should neverdiscount what's being said.
I mean, even though satanicpanic happened, a lot of truth
was brought to light about a lotof bad things that were going
on in the 80s, and I think Ithink it's one of those things
where you need to read betweenthe lines.
It's not as clear cut aseveryone says or thinks.
Yeah, and when you, like I said, when you have a situation

(39:26):
where kids are crying wolf, youhave a duty to protect that
child, whether it's the truth ornot, because it's going to be
that one time you know.
Yeah, and when I was doing myresearch, there was even one of
the kids that's now an adultback in 2005.
So pretty pretty.
It's not very recent we're inalmost 2025.

(39:48):
But, like what is?
that right 20 years ago, yeah,2005, 2015, 2012.
Oh my God, 20 years ago, yeah,came out and said, yeah, I was.
I said some things and I feltlike I was kind of forced into
saying them.
They weren't true but and I'mnot saying that they were true,
I mean, take this person attheir word.

(40:08):
But the fact that it was in the80s, 1983, and now it's 2005,
that you still feel the need tocome out and say something, I
find that interesting To comeout and say something.
I find that interesting Whetherit was the whole situation
itself that really left aneffect on him, or if something
is suppressed that is stillaffecting him.

(40:29):
Who knows.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
I never know.
You know where I really thoughtall of this was going to go,
where Behind that damn clown?
Right, I've never liked clowns,you know this.
It scares me, but like.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
Well, I guess that's just a whole testament to
McDonald's.
I mean, think about all thethings they've had to deal with
throughout the years.
Stephen King's it right.
John Wayne, gacy Killer, clownsfrom Outer Space.
You know they've had to dealwith a lot, with their mascot
being a clown, and they're stillthriving.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
So I mean, I mean it was kind of supposed to be, you
know, turn a frown upside down,because you know there's also
the Ronald McDonald house too,right, which does amazing work.
Yes, absolutely, but yeah, Ijust I was like, oh my gosh,
gosh, if she starts bringing allthe characters into this story,
is I could see where that couldbe a play on?

(41:26):
You know people saying, oh well, grimace was this and ronald
was this, and you know have youever seen the original ronald?
mcdonald um.
I've seen the.
I've seen the original umhamburglar and he's terrifying
you want to see what.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
You want to see what ronald mcdonald looked like.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
Oh god yeah, I feel like we went way off on your
your poor story topic today.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Yeah well, that's terrifying it's so scary.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
Oh, I don't think grimace was much better, I mean,
but he's just like a big purpleblob and there was the the fry
kids or whatever.
I remember one of them havinglike little piggy tails.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
I mean and listen.
I just I know I just showed youa picture of ronald mcdonald
but like look at that that's.
That's bozo the clown.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
No he, why would you ever pick a clown to be your
mascot?
I can't, even with both bozo'ssupposed to be like the happiest
clown in the world, right, ohyeah, but no, no, maybe I'll do
an episode on clowns, becausethere's you're gonna make me sit
through that.
Oh my gosh, all gosh, all rightWell that's Well, I mean, I

(42:40):
think it's, I think it's youhave.
You've definitely like I don'tknow.
Some of my fear, I think is isa little bit like I'm better at
it.
At least I can look at some ofthem now.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
We're doing this late at night too.
We have to go to sleep afterthis I'm gonna stop talking
about the clowns.
I'm glad that I inspired you togo and dig deep and find, yeah,
I had to things out.
I had to.
I mean, it wasn't as much as Ithought I was gonna.
I it was more so about thesatanic panic and all the
craziness that was happening andthere's, like I said, it's such

(43:13):
a big, dense topic and you canjust, you know, you have a whole
decade and a half, yeah, thatyou can do multiple episodes on
which it's like a take your pickin the 80s, 90s, and a lot of
bad shit happened in the 80s too, right.
So like, yeah, everyone's,everyone's afraid.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
Well, and I feel like , too, being part of like the
mid 60s to probably the mid 90s,everybody had a voice.
They weren't afraid to be vocalback then, yeah, and there was
no filter, and I feel like we'retrying maybe might get back to
that, but I think it's.

(43:53):
That was like.
That was the age that everybodywas hear me roar, no matter
what the cause was for.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
They couldn't leave McDonald's out of it, I guess
leave my mcdonald's alone right,so that's, that's it.
That's all I have for you.
I like that, yeah.
Yeah, it was.
It was basically just an answerto a question that I had about
your story, but you know, with acouple of, I do want to read
that book, though michelleremembers right yeah even though
it got discredited I mean, howdare you but but?

(44:24):
also, it also showed, it gave avoice to those that have been
involved in stuff like that.
But I mean, like there weretons of tv shows in the 80s and
90s that brought that stuff tolight of people that were
actually going through it.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
You know that's one thing that really, really
bothers me is like the onescrying wolf to the real, the
affected, right when it comes tochildren.
I'm 100 with you, like I don'tcare.
You can cry wolf a milliontimes and I'm still gonna go
down a rabbit hole to find outthe truth.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
Yeah, but also just you know, even if she was making
things up like it came fromsomewhere, right?
like all this stuff and that'skind of where my head is at, and
I guess that's where the wholeconspiracy theorist in me goes
is like, okay, you might bemaking all this up, but it came
from somewhere, so where did itcome from?
Did you hear it from someoneelse?
Did you just make this up inyour head?

(45:17):
What made you make this up?
What was your?
Or is this true stories thatyou're taking on as your own?
Who was really affected?
You know, I have all thesequestions, right, I do.
I want to know all the things.
So, yes, I'm definitely goingto look into getting that book.
For sure, we should read it.
All right, are you ready forfor your story?

Speaker 3 (45:41):
Well, yeah, that was not supposed to be as long as it
was, but it was, that's okay.
Sorry, we went down a couple ofmore rabbit holes and that's
all right.
Yeah, I just I'm sitting hereand I'm looking at like the old
playgrounds and aye, aye, aye,yeah, there's going to be a lot
of pictures I'm going to beadding to our social media and
our blog,wwwparanormalalthowlcom yeah, I
mean I think I'm ready, I meanwe're gonna take, we're gonna

(46:02):
take y'all back down to georgiawith the devil okay, not really
not with the devil, but stillpart of georgia.
When I was looking into stories,as I said last week, I wanted
something to be outside of thebox of just like the savannah
scary stories and ghost storiesand stuff.
So I came upon one about alovely young girl named Miss

(46:25):
Emily Isabella Burt.
Emily Isabella Burt, yes, okay,okay.
So, tucked away in a ruralcounty in southwest Georgia
between Macon and Columbus, iswhere the tale of one Miss Emily
Isabella Burt came about.
As the tale goes, the wealthyBurt family were prominent

(46:46):
members of the town, which isnow known as Woodland.
Mrs Mildred Burt, unfortunatelywas widowed by the age of 37 and
had inherited a nice estatefrom her deceased husband.
There were also three childrenthat were a part of the family.

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There was Sarah, mildred, namedafter her mother, emily
Isabella and Joel Joel, wasnamed after his father.
Of all of the children,isabella was most problematic
For one.
She had inherited many physicaltraits from her father,
including dark hair and bushyeyebrows.

(47:28):
However, she was said to havehad sharp white canine teeth
that made her smile quitedisturbing, my goodness.
I mean I know people that have,like you know, sharp, I mean
file it down, yeah.
So saying that in one reportthat was found about the family,

(47:50):
mildred took her poor isabellato a local dentist to see if the
teeth could be altered in anyway no, I was just kidding.
No, it really happened.
It was that they were thatsharp and and they said that
there was nothing that theycould do for her.
So mildred, moving on, ratherthan dote on her children all
day, mildred decided that shewas going to ship her kids off

(48:13):
to europe to school, whichshould give you an idea of how
wealthy they were but theycouldn't find a dentist who
could do dental work well I meanyou're talking about the late
1800s, early 1900s well, theywere really crude back then, so
I'm surprised they didn't justtake a like a.
Take a like a file, right, Imean, that's what I was thinking
, where that was gonna go, andI'm like oh my, I filed my tooth

(48:36):
once, oh come on.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
Well, I didn't have insurance at the time.
I was a server and I cracked mytooth and it was, and it broke
in my mouth and it was hurtingme because it was so sharp.
So I took a file to it.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
You, you have.
You have all these wonderfulcolleges that are are learning
colleges for, like medical anddental, around you this was
during a time where you didn'thave health insurance, you had
to pay for it.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Yeah, do you know?
Do you did I?
I'm talking about a specifictime where, if you didn't have
health insurance, you gotpenalized during your tax when
you were doing your taxes.
Remember that time.
We're not talking about it, butif you know, you know, and you
know, you know, I got penalized.
Yeah, I got penalized for quitea few years.
Yeah, then I got a good jobthat had insurance, but still,

(49:22):
um, I could have used that moneyfor my tooth, but instead I had
to wait to get penalizedbecause I didn't pay for health
insurance well, I don't thinkthat, um, as wealthy as this
family was, I don't, and I don'tthink there was any amount of
dental insurance that was goingto help out for little miss fang
emily elizabella.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
So would she?
Apparently she went by, emmy,yeah.
Soon after the return fromeurope, um, emmy fell ill and
suffered from restless nights.
The only thing that seemed toallay those sleepless nights was
an elixir that you know.
It contained opium.

(50:06):
Nevertheless, the elixir wasnot foolproof, and some nights
Isabella would be seen justroaming the countryside.
What, yeah, yeah, how old isthis kid?
She's out of school.
Mildred, sent her kids off,shipped them off to school, yeah
, and so, when they returned,emmy got sick, and so they

(50:30):
started feeding her opium sothat she had insomnia.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
So she was a young adult, though, Like she
graduated school.
Yeah, oh, okay, so she's like19, 20.
Yeah, so I mean mean, they allcame home, and then you know
sorry I was thinking that wasjust like this little fang tooth
, like little juvenile runningaround high off of opium.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
Well, and I, oh my lord, I'm gonna have nightmares
tonight, so bad her two sisters,I know like they eventually
moved off to, like, I think,marietta or somewhere, and I
don't know what happened to thebrother, but yeah, I mean they
were right out of college.
Well, not college, but rightout of school, sure, so yeah.
So she fell ill, suffered fromsleepless nights, ie insomnia,

(51:15):
so they fed her opium and so,you know, had a little
sleepwalking disorder on theside and she would just go
roaming the countryside.
So Mildred couldn't shake that.
Something else just wasn'tquite right with little Miss
Emmy.
In addition to these strangeissues, emmy had a fondness for
reading, and her subject choiceswere of the supernatural, given

(51:39):
the fact that part of hermother's inheritance, upon the
death of her father, was a vastcollection of books.
This affinity for reading wasquite convenient, so that Emmy
would stay in the house justpiled up with books and read
from the family's library.
And her mother was quite fondof the reading habit too, so she

(52:01):
could keep an eye on Emmy.
In the meanwhile, one of thebeaux of Emmy's sisters, william
Gorman, reported that somethingwas killing not only his sheep
but the local farmer's sheep aswell.
Fearful of this happening toMildred's animals, she became

(52:22):
quite concerned.
So on a regular visit.
Gorman would recount storiesabout more sheep killings and
that some of his cattle wereeven beginning to get towed.
Each morning, waking up, thefarmers and Gorman would take
their morning walks into thefields, and it would just be
littered with mangled carcassesof livestock.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Oh, excuse me, yeah, oh, okay, sounds like Skinwalker
Ranch.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
Right.
So legend has it that, with thehelp of local farmers, gorman
was going to put, was puttingtogether what amounted to be a
posse.
The intentions were to shootand kill whatever beast was
doing this damage.
Emmy became quite unusuallyinterested in what Gorman would

(53:17):
say and the stories he had totell, and what events were going
to transgress into hunting thisanimal.
Well, after weeks of failedattempts to catch and kill the
animal responsible, thefrustrated farmers set out to
consult a strange old man fromEastern Europe.
Gorman and the farmers werethought to be the victims of a

(53:38):
wolf attack, and that's whatthey explained to this Eastern
European.
So the Eastern European claimedto know what they were up
against.
And it was no regular animal,it was a werewolf.
The old man instructed thefarmers to melt down their
silver crucifixes and fashionthem into bullets Then, by the

(54:01):
light of the next full moon,attempt their hunt again.
So together the farmersconcocted a plan to end the
slayings once and for all, justas the old man had said.
The hunting party came acrossthe silhouette of a giant
wolf-like creature in the lightof the next full moon, firing

(54:21):
the rifles in its direction.
Meanwhile, mildred, who alsohad inherited more than a few
guns and was a great Marx woman,went out with her pistol,
suspecting that Emmy was somehowinvolved with these killings.
She wanted to be prepared foranything.
Eager to discover what herdaughter was up to, she headed

(54:45):
deeper into the woods to try tofind Emmy.
As she was near the area whereshe heard the gunshots ring out,
an animal came out of the woodsand lunged at her, and she died
.
The creature ran off, lettingout a painful scream.
Interesting enough, the nextmorning it was reported Emmy was

(55:06):
missing her left hand.
What?
After being taken to the localphysician, her mother decided to
send her to Paris to be treatedby a doctor who specialized in
lycanthropy, a disorder thatmade its victims think they were
werewolves.
While she was in Paris, theattacks stopped and once she

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returned, supposedly cured, theattacks fell to a minimum.
Emmy lived in Talbot Countyuntil her death in 1911, and,
after much controversy, wasburied on holy ground in the
Owens and Holmes Cemetery inTalbot County.
To this day, there areresidents who believe that her
spirit only in werewolf form, ofcourse still roams the

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countryside on a full moon.
Her story has endured, but noteveryone is convinced that the
legend is true.
So there are some records thatreported that.
Emmy's state that there's noevidence to corroborate her
being a werewolf.
Moreover, the memorial markerstates she was a well-known and

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well-liked in her community andfurthermore, newspaper reports
from the time claim that theattacks were just the simple
result of a rabid wild animaland nothing more.
It is also mentioned that theParis trip was to see relatives
and friends, not to see a doctorwho treated a lycanthropy.
But there are some who stillquestion these conclusions.

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One of the Burt relatives, anEnglish professor who teaches at
a local community college inAtlanta, says it is possible
that the Paris trip was to see adoctor for her condition.
He commented that it is quitelikely that the family would
have said that Emmy was visitingfamily, for they most certainly
would not have let it out thatshe was seeing a doctor and not

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for what it was for, as therewould be a lot of questions as
to why she could not be treated.
A trip acrosslantic to see aphysician would definitely breed
questions.
The end so I don't know.
So I mean like I kind of wentdown a couple of rabbit holes
and it's supposedly even likethe pictures that are posted of

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her.
We don't even know if that isreally emmy, like there are,
there are pictures of her, ofher marker, and people try to
get to it, but it's on privateproperty now, so they have a
really hard time finding it.
Okay, yeah, and some of thereports said that like she
intentionally let her hair growon mangly- she intentionally let

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her eyebrows go and her teethwere like well, she couldn't do
anything about those suckers,right?
I mean, you know, but it wasafter she came back from paris,
you know, you know.
So maybe she did some, somereading and edumacation on the
howling lichens and startedliking the lichens that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
Yeah, you know you were.
I was listening to you whileyou were talking, but I was
researching something, becauseyou said gorman, and you were
talking about dire wolves, well,the wolf werewolf and I was
like, wow, that sounds sofamiliar.
So I okay not to veer off, butI'm about to make a connection.
You just went down a rabbithole while I was reading my

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story, kind of not really arabbit hole, but I have.
there's a book that I listenedit's.
It's an audible book.
I have the actual book.
But I listen to this book a lotwhen I'm like going into work
or coming home because I have along commute and it's like a
comfort book and it's calledHunt for the Skinwalker and it's

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about Skinwalker Ranch.
Oh, that place gives me thecreeps.
The ranch is Gorman Ranch,that's right.
And there's a section firstit's the first excerpt in the in
the book about how the the guythat's on the rent that owns the

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ranch they come into contactwith a huge or a huge wolf.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
I should say utah.
So it's like from like georgiato utah I mean.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
So when you were saying, I was like, oh my gosh,
that sounds so familiar.
What does that sound sofamiliar?
So I was, I was, I was totallylistening to you.
But then you like you startedhitting things about.
And when I said SkinwalkerRanch, at the beginning it
didn't like I was just like, youknow, making a joke.
But then you said Gorman andthen you said Wolf and I was
like yeah, and I don't super, Idon't remember what sister it is

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.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
So this, I mean this is, this is not.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
This is totally different Gorman, totally
different area, but theconnection is super weird, right
?

Speaker 3 (59:44):
Yeah, but it was the 1900s, you never know.
Well, this was this was in.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
When was this?
1960s, 60s, something couldhave been part of the Gorman
family, I don't know, man, butyou, you, totally you hit
something in there and I wasjust like, oh, I got, I gotta
make sure I'm thinking about theright thing before I open my
mouth.
Creepy, yeah, oh, the poor girlthat was her teeth.

Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
See, you know, like when you think of, I mean when
you say okay, so like when Ithink of werewolves right, I
think of paris, I think of here.
I mean like they made storiesof werewolves all over, right,
teen wolf I think of, I think oflon chaney.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
They're all men.
There's no non-americanwerewolf.
In paris.
There was a girl.
Well, the head one was, oh mygod.
Spoiler alert right.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
Spoiler alert Right, but very few.
You know what I mean.
Like you just touched on one ofthem, so like she is just, she
would just be like one of veryfew.
And here's my thing was, if thestory is true, right, Vampires
live eternally and werewolveshave an expiration.

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Right, Werewolves can die, butvampires cannot, right?

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Well, and now you're thinking about Twilight,
everything goes back to Twilight.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
Spoiler alert.
Okay, with me.
Everything goes back to theHunger Games, the Lord of Rings,
the Walking Dead, twilight.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Harry Potter.

Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
Harry Potter, all the greats of our time yeah, but
yeah, I mean like I, just whenshe said that like she died in
in her 70s, in in 1911, I waslike okay but wait I thought
werewolves could like live, likereally longer.
So was she more human than shewas werewolf, or you know, I?

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
I mean, I think you're right, I don't think I
think werewolves they're animals, right, they're mystical,
magical, right.
But they're animals.
They're not the undead likevampires.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
Vampires are immortal werewolves are not, or maybe
I'm just thinking what's that?
What's that?
One movie with what's her facein it?
That's the vampire and theother you know where they?
Where they fight the Lycans,fight the vampires.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Oh Underworld, yeah, that one, kate Beckinsale.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
Yeah, yeah, that's a good one, because the Lycan was
half Correct.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
Well, he was part werewolf, part vampire.
Yeah, that's right, he turnedinto that.
Yeah, that's right, he turnedinto that.
Scott Speedman played that part.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
He did a great job.
He did a good job.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
God, those are such good movies.
We were obsessed in the 90s and2000s with vampires, weren't we
?
I think so.
I mean, we're still in the2000s, but we had the Vampire
Diaries, mm-hmm.
Buffy.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
Buffy oh God, I love Buffy.
What was the one?
The spinoff from Buffy?

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
Angel, angel, yeah.
He had a place.
Shout out Liza Dishku.
She was good, she was great.
Put your tongue back in yourmouth Respectfully.
Respectfully, Of course,respectfully.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
Yeah.
So you guys, let us know whatyou think, give us a ringy dingy
dingy.

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No, you know what I mean.
You guys can actually text us.
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Because?
Why?
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Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
Yeah, good stories tonight.
A lot of rabbit holes, we justran down it was very
discombobulated on my end.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
Sorry about that, but you know I got really excited
about the McAdees.

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
I know, but I just I don't like that they attacked my
McAdees.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
I know, but look at how resilient McDonald's is with
all of the shit that they'vebeen through.

Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
Yeah, they did go through some shit, and I kind of
want to go back now and I wantto look at Procter Campbell's
old little logo, right, because?

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
you know all that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
Mandela effect crap, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
Oh yeah, that too.
There was definitely acornucopia on the Fruit of the
Loom.
You ain't fooling me.

Speaker 3 (01:04:59):
There was absolutely a cornucopia on the fruit of the
loom.
You ain't fooling me.
There was absolutely acornucopia on the fruit, that's
another thing oh god, so you,one of my favorite girls that I
watch, shout out to miss little.
What's her name?
Slim sherry.
Sorry, my brain went.
She does all these mandelaeffects because you know she's

(01:05:19):
done it.
Oh my God, she's what?
She's a Gen Xer, yeah All right, oh, ok.

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