August 23, 2024 • 57 mins
Prepare to be captivated by the thrilling debut of the Paranormal Howl Hour podcast, as we—your hosts Paranormal Howl and Jinxy—reveal our spooky passion. Ever wondered what it's like growing up with Halloween in your veins or having Roswell as your backyard? We share our unique backgrounds that led us down the eerie path of all things paranormal and set the stage for an exploration of haunted histories and mysterious phenomena. Get ready to uncover the secrets of Dudleytown, Connecticut, infamous for its cursed legacy and spine-chilling tales of tragedy and disappearance.
Experience the eerie silence of Dudleytown's woods, where the air is unnervingly quiet, and strange occurrences leave visitors questioning their sanity. We recount the bone-chilling stories of Nathaniel Carter's ill-fated family, Abel Dudley's descent into madness, and the Brophy family's mysterious vanishing act. From lightning strikes to failed reforestation projects, Dudleytown's dark narrative intertwines with skepticism as we discuss Reverend Gary P. Dudley's efforts to debunk the curse. The unsettling atmosphere of this abandoned settlement is just the beginning of our eerie journey.
Next, we whisk you away to the enigmatic Blue Water Lake State Park in New Mexico, where a couple's camping trip takes a terrifying turn. Encounter a tall, white, featureless figure alongside tales of tall white aliens and their possible connections to human folklore. Are they protectors or something more sinister? Our episode delves into these unsettling sightings, drawing curious parallels to legendary creatures like skinwalkers and wendigos. Join us as we navigate through these chilling narratives, blending skepticism and fascination while leaving you on the edge of your seat.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Omnis immundae spiritus, omnis satanica
potestas, omnis incursiainfernalis adversarii, omnis
legio, omnis congregatio etsecta diabolica.
In nomine et virtute Domininostri, jesus Christ christi,
welcome blue crew to the firstepisode of Paranormal Howl Hour.
Paranormal Howl (00:47):
I'm your host, paranormal Howl, and with me is
my spooky, sassy co-host, jinxy.
How are you doing tonight, jinx?
Fantastic, you sound it Well.
Being our first episode of theParanormal Howl Hour podcast, it
seems fitting to give a bit ofa background.
Most of you might know thishandle best, as I'm a horror
(01:12):
cosplay creator on TikTok, andthat really came from my love of
all things horror, paranormal,supernatural, so on and so forth
.
I was born and raised in ahousehold where Halloween was
one of the best times of theyear and admittedly, it seems
every year around that time wejust get more and more into it
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individually as a family.
Hence why starting a podcastabout the scary, spooky and
kooky of it all and being ableto talk about the stuff
year-round seemed fitting.
And now I'm going to send itover to you, jinx.
Why don't you tell the boo crewthat's listening out there
tonight a little bit aboutjinxing all right, let's let you
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guys know a little bit about me.
Jinxy (01:57):
I definitely have been a woman of journey across the
lovely states I was born in, inRoswell, new Mexico.
Yes, that is Roswell, newMexico, us of A UFO capital.
Paranormal Howl (02:12):
Alien land.
Jinxy (02:13):
You got it.
My initials are ALF.
Paranormal Howl (02:15):
No one needs to know that.
Jinxy (02:19):
I might be an alien, you might be All right.
I've lived other places.
I have definitely been a littlebit more of a traveler than you
.
Lived in the Southwest, theSouth, the Midwest, back to the
South, and now I'm, on the EastCoast, a world traveler.
You are yes, I am.
(02:40):
I'm staying put now.
Okay, we'll see.
I mean, unless'm staying putnow.
Okay, we'll see, I mean, unlessI go back to the Southwest.
Well, it is beautiful downthere in the Southwest.
It is, it is.
It is A little bit about Jinxy.
Jinxy got started on TikTok aswell.
That's where she met ParanormalAl and I.
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An OG cosplayer kind of retiredher, but I guess she's back.
Paranormal Howl (03:07):
So what's this podcast about?
I'm into all things scary,spooky and kooky, and you know
what better way to share thatwith the world or just my sister
, who's probably listening bystarting a podcast.
Because why the hell not?
Jinxy (03:26):
hello sister, there'll be more people come on now.
Paranormal Howl (03:32):
Yeah, you know, we'll see.
I mean, if not, you know it's,we have more memories, right?
Jinxy (03:38):
I mean we'll get the word out there.
You know everybody knows yourhandle, some people know mine
right.
But if not, it's, it'ssomething for us, so it's cool.
You know everybody knows yourhandle, some people know mine
right.
Paranormal Howl (03:46):
But if not it's , it's something for us, so it's
cool.
You know we can uh, you know,scratch that off the bucket list
, start a podcast.
Well, the first episode wedecided we were going to do
stories and topics from our homestates, mine being connecticut.
You know, new England ingeneral is super creepy.
So I will be diving intosomething that is well known,
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actually not just around thestate, but kind of around the
world.
And Jinx, where are you?
Jinxy (04:12):
taking us To my home state in the desert, New Mexico,
oh New.
Paranormal Howl (04:18):
Mexico.
Yeah, all right, a lot ofcreepy stuff happening out there
.
Yeah, wild wild west.
Jinxy (04:23):
Yeah, we've got creepy stuff happening out there, yeah,
wild wild west.
Paranormal Howl (04:25):
Yeah, we've got lots of aliens out there too.
Jinxy (04:27):
Yes, ma'am, I might be one of them.
Check out, I might be the onethat got away.
I mean, I was born in Roswell.
Anyway, you know, there you go,check out.
Paranormal Howl (04:39):
So I guess I'm going to go first, because I am.
Jinxy (04:43):
Well, you're the host, you gotta go first.
Paranormal Howl (04:45):
I guess I'm the host, that's true, you're right
.
So, uh, with that, I'm gonnahave, you guess, actually give
you three, three clues as towhere we're gonna go with this.
The first, the first clue isit's an abandoned place.
Oh, oh, oh, um, um, remingtonarms, no, okay.
The second clue is.
Jinxy (05:05):
It is curse.
Okay, the first thing that cameto mind was the Conjuring House
, but that's Rhode Island.
Um, that's Rhode Island.
Paranormal Howl (05:10):
Oh, we will definitely definitely be getting
into that.
There's a lot of stuff that'sgoing on with that place right
now.
Jinxy (05:16):
Um there's a lot of.
Paranormal Howl (05:17):
And you and I have actually visited there
before.
Yeah, tea.
Jinxy (05:31):
Going on about that?
Um, okay, curse dang, uh, Idon't know.
Okay, the third clue iscornwall.
Oh, oh, oh, I'm tearing up shit.
Um, that sanatorium, hospitalslash, school slash, whatever it
was right?
No damn, I don't know.
Paranormal Howl (05:42):
Then you gave me so many ideas, though, for my
next things to research.
No, I don't know if I've ever.
I think I've told you aboutthis place briefly Dudleytown,
connecticut.
Have you ever?
Jinxy (05:56):
heard of it.
Oh, I think you have mentionedDudleytown because I made fun of
it with the Dudley.
Like the little I was thinkingDudley, do right the little.
Paranormal Howl (06:05):
I was thinking Dudley, do-right the little
puppet guy Dudley Do-Right fromRocky and Bullwinkle yeah, no,
that's not where he comes from.
Oh, okay, so we're gonna getinto it with Dudley Town,
connecticut.
Okay, also known as the Villageof the Damned.
So this parcel of land isconsidered one of the most
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haunted places in Connecticut,supposedly thanks to the Dudleys
themselves.
Okay, now I have to prefacewith something here.
There are many sources that Iused for this research, and they
are so conflicting that it mademe raise a lot of questions
about the truth of everythinggoing on there, and I've
determined that this is a caseof the three-sided story yours,
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mine and the truth.
We'll see why as we go throughthis, okay.
Jinxy (06:57):
Okay, I'm not, I'm, I'm here for it.
I'm gonna have a lot ofquestions, I feel, feel like
that's okay, well, hopefully Ianswer all of them before this
is over.
You guys will learn as we gothrough this, like I'm the
question asker, so you are,you're like the first grader
that asks why the sky is blueand the grass is green.
Paranormal Howl (07:20):
That's right, and I hate to give the because
it is answer.
So this will be interesting andif I don't know anything then
you know.
Well, I'll tell you.
I'm not just going to make itup All right, let's hear it, all
right.
So according to many sources,the most popular rendition of
the story this is what I'm goingto give you first is that the
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Dudley family was cursed longbefore members of the family
migrated to Connecticut.
Back in the 1500s, EdmundDudley, who was the
administrator for King Henry VII, was accused of basically
embezzling from him, but wasn'tcharged with anything until King
Henry VII's death in 1509.
Vii's death in 1509.
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At that point, Henry VIIIcharged Edmund with treason,
along with another administratorof the king, and was beheaded.
This is where the quote-unquotecurse of the Dudleys began.
Edmund's son, John, who was theDuke of Northumberland, clearly
didn't learn from Edmund'smistakes, committed treason as
well and was beheaded in 1553.
Shortly after that, in 1554,John's son, Guildford, who was
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also involved in treason, wasbeheaded.
So this Dudley family is justlosing their heads left and
right.
Now this is where things getfuzzy, and I had to do some
connect-the-dots work, becausethere's conflicting reports that
the Dudleys weren't of nobleblood and the connection between
1553 and the Dudley arrival inquotes in the 1700s was sparse.
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I was able to figure out thatthe Dudleys, of noble descent,
actually started out as Suttonsin England and ultimately
related to the Dudleys, whoeventually ended up, purchasing
and living in Dudleytown.
Dudleys were deeply entrenchedin the politics and courtly
intrigues of the time, withvarious members playing crucial
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roles in shaping England'shistory.
Now, how does that connect toGideon Dudley, the man born in
Connecticut in 1706 whoeventually purchased the Dudley
town land?
Well, the Dudley family hadmany branches and some members
sought new opportunities in theNew World.
The precise link from Edmund toGideon Dudley isn't entirely
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clear, but it's likely thatGideon descended from a lesser
known member of the Dudleyfamily who emigrated to America
during the Great Migration inthe 1630s.
The Dudleys were among theprominent families in early
American history, withindividuals like Thomas Dudley,
who served as a colonialgovernor of Massachusetts, and
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Gideon Dudley was likely part ofthis extended family network
that had crossed the Atlantic,bringing with them the Dudley
name and legacy.
We good so far.
Jinxy (10:09):
Yeah, I just I don't like .
How would they have not thoughtlike one was a duke and like
they all had prominent roles,like in the royalty right, most
of the men they were noblemen,yes, okay, and so then they come
over here and they get like in,well, it's in congress, right?
Paranormal Howl (10:36):
yeah, well, colonial congress congress.
Jinxy (10:41):
Right, okay, so, but there's like well, like royalty
had, like maesters and likewizards, and you're thinking on
the phone.
Paranormal Howl (10:53):
This is not game of thrones well it.
Jinxy (10:57):
It sounds like it, though I mean let me believe.
So Gideon was born inConnecticut.
Paranormal Howl (11:03):
Gideon was born in Connecticut, so it was
Gideon's father and Gideon'sgrandfather.
So this is where theinformation kind of got sketchy
and what I don't understand andwhat frustrated me.
But what also intrigued me wasthat there are so many people
and there's so many sources andno one was able to come up with
a clear family tree.
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Now back to Gideon.
Gideon was born in Connecticutin 1706, and he's a descendant
of the Dudley family, possiblyfrom a branch that settled in
the American colonies during theGreat Migration of the Puritans
in the 1630s.
That was the migration, for youknow, people leaving England,
coming to America economicopportunities and to relieve
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themselves of the religiouspersecution that was going on in
England.
So Gideon purchased land fromThomas Griffiths, who owned a
large portion of Cornwall,Connecticut, in 1747.
And by 1753, Gideon's brothers,Abel, Barzillai, Obijah and
Martin, join him, strengtheningthe Dudley presence.
Jinxy (12:05):
I have to give you props for knowing how to pronounce
those names.
I would have been a dud on that.
Paranormal Howl (12:11):
I was just faking it until I made it there.
Thank you, youtube, for tryingto get me to pronounce them
correctly.
So also, dudleytown isn't theactual name, like I mentioned
earlier, it's only a nicknamethat was given to the land,
which is part of Cornwall,connecticut, because of the
Dudley family living in the area, and actually there were more
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than just the Dudleys that livedwithin that village of sorts.
Prominently there were Dudleys,heavy population.
There were Carters, barnards,trumbles, brophy's, bates, jones
, pattinson's, hollister's,dibble's, tanner's, rogers and
Porter's, among others.
Those were the main ones, andthe settlers ended up going to
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this land and clearing the landand formed a community that
farmed flax, wheat and corn.
However, because of thedenseness of the forest itself
and the inadequate sunlight frommass-producing crops,
dudleytown utilized what theywere absolutely surrounded by
the trees.
They produced charcoal from thetrees and provided it to the
nearby industrial plants, andthose industrial plants were
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actually mining iron ore.
So, fun fact, where theyestablished Dudleytown was
actually surrounded by threemountains.
We had Mohawk Mountain, baldMountain and there was a third
mountain and I don't rememberwhat it was, so we're going to
just leave that mystery.
But they essentially made homein a valley which by noon the
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sun is not directly hitting thatportion of land anymore, so
therefore, I mean crops were notgetting the nutrients that they
needed from the site.
Also, fun fact, there were noschools or churches or anything
on this plot of land that theywere all living in.
It was strictly residential.
There was just a bunch ofpeople living in between
mountains.
Sounds like cult life, right?
I mean, it was just weird, likewhy would you pick this spot?
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You know it didn't make sense,which kind of has me questioning
.
What were the motives?
Why was it this land that theywere attracted to?
There are multiple quote unquotecursed fates that come from
Dudleytown.
There were actually a lot offake ones that I had to sift
through and I had to remove, soI'm going to give you the ones
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that I found multiple resourceson that proved to be true,
rather than the super scary fakeones, because I think the story
in and of itself about thisland is scary enough about
everything that happened.
I'm trying to really just siftthrough and make it an honest
topic, so to speak.
So in 1792, gershon Hollister,a member of the community, was
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supposedly murdered in a homeowned by William Tanner, who
lived next door to Abel Dudley,one of the original brothers
that moved there.
There's conflicting storiesthat Hollister went to assist in
fixing Tanner's roof, was luredto a specific area and was
pushed to his death.
Others say it was an accident,his death, Others say it was an
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accident.
But afterward Tanner startedtalking about wild animals and
demons and he went completelyinsane.
He's not going to be the onlyone.
He's definitely not the lastperson to go insane, which makes
this even creepier than before.
The Nathaniel Carter familylived in Abel Dudley's house
once.
Abel was essentially kicked outof his house and we'll get to
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that next.
Yeah, but they moved to.
The Carter family ended upmoving to Binghamton, new York,
in 1959 after Nathaniel'sbrother and his brother's family
, along with several otherfamilies in Dudleytown, passed
from cholera.
And in 1964, while Nathanielwas away, natives killed his
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family and infant child.
They captured his three otherchildren two girls who were used
for ransom and one boy who waseventually assimilated into the
tribe and they burnedNathaniel's house down.
When he returned, they scalpedand killed him too, and one of
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the weird things that I foundout about the boy who was
assimilated to the tribe heended up marrying one of the
tribesmen's daughters but thenleaving the tribe coming back to
the United States because theyhad escaped into Canada, came
back to the United States andbecame a Supreme Court justice,
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blew my mind.
I couldn't believe it.
Jinxy (16:43):
OK, when you go down rabbit holes like you, you get
to the bottom of it and thencome back up.
Paranormal Howl (16:48):
I need to get back up, because then I'll just
get stuck there and then wewouldn't have a story.
So, and I know this is very no,but like the Dudleys have, like
they're nothing but bad luck.
Jinxy (16:59):
So I can see why they think that there's this curse.
Paranormal Howl (17:03):
Well, yeah, and it doesn't stop there.
So Abel Dudley, gideon'sbrother, eventually lost all his
possessions and his mind.
Like I said, nathaniel Carterhad moved into Abel's house and
that was after Abel had losteverything and was made a ward
of Dudleytown.
He died in 1799 at the age of90.
And a lot of people attributehim losing his mind to just
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sonality.
Um, but it just, it doesn't sitright with me, because people
are just losing their minds inthis town left and right.
And you know, one can attributeit to supernatural happenings,
one can attribute it to just oldage, but we keep going down
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this rabbit hole and see whathappens to the next people.
Heman Swift, a general in theAmerican Revolution.
He survived the war andreturned to Dudleytown and in
1804, his third wife was killedby a lightning strike shortly
after his return and then, aftershe died, he also went to see
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Niall.
Jinxy (18:14):
What, yeah, like these people are just losing their
heads.
Maybe they just have a history,a family history of dementia.
Paranormal Howl (18:21):
Well, but he and Swift isn't a Dudley, oh,
and neither was um.
Jinxy (18:27):
So is it like maybe elemental or something Like,
something in the ground?
Paranormal Howl (18:31):
Well, there's a theory and we'll get to that.
So in 1906, oh, I'm sorry oneof the last families to remain
in Dudleytown were the Brophy's.
John Patrick Brophy's wife diedof consumption, which was a
common cause of death in the1800s.
His sons left town after theywere caught stealing.
They escaped into the woods butthey were never seen again.
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They just like pieced out intothe woods and no one knows where
they went.
But I feel like that'd be easyto do back then.
Right, but like people, and youknow they had people looking for
them and trying to, you know,bring them back and what have
you, but they just, it was likewithout a trace.
Not only did all that happen.
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So, mr Brophy, you know hiswife's dead.
His kids are running off intothe woods disappearing.
You think that his luck can'tget any worse?
Well, you'd be wrong.
His house then burned down, sonow this guy's homeless.
He's got no family, right.
So what does he do?
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What do you think he does?
Jinxy (19:37):
Oh God, Off with his head .
Paranormal Howl (19:41):
No, he just fucking pieces out too.
He walks into the woods and hedisappears.
Jinxy (19:46):
Are the woods like taking the people?
Are the woods hiding the people?
Are they consuming?
Paranormal Howl (19:53):
the people who knows I mean at this point?
You know.
So in 1906, dr William Clark, aNew York cancer specialist,
bought a thousand acres on BaldMountain, which was one of the
surrounding mountains ofDudleytown, part of which of the
thousand acres did belong toDudleytown.
He was partial to the quietlife where he would spend his
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weekends, and in the summer of1918, he went to New York for a
brief business trip and returnedto find his wife had gone
insane and she spent the rest ofher life in a mental hospital
as she eventually committedsuicide.
It's a super sad story.
In 1924, dr Clark and hisfriends that lived in the area
of Dudleytown in Cornwall formedthe Dark Entry Forest
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Association with the aim ofreforesting the land.
So basically everything thatthe members of Dudleytown had
cut down to make charcoal andsell to the factories they
reforested.
That was their whole goal.
They had hoped to run a woodmill and offer recreation to
children, so they plantedthousands of trees and by the
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1930s a New York ski club usedtrails for skiing and summer
camps used them for horsebackriding.
Visitors also canoed down theHousatonic River.
But this all ended shortlyafter when the association
closed the forest to visitors.
It all started in 1926 whenEdward C Carr published his
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story History of Cornwall.
For some reason he included twopages of fiction about
Dudleytown residents, and thosewere the fictitious stories that
I decided to leave out because,yeah, they were creepy, but the
real stuff is even creepier.
So in 1999, reverend Gary PDudley, a descendant of the
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Dudleytown Dudleys, workedthrough all the paperwork and
records and he was trying toclear the Dudleytown Dudleys of
their quote-unquote, cursedhistory and he concluded several
facts were merely fictitious.
And he concluded several factswere merely fictitious.
Number one the Dudleys weren'trelated descendants to the
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English noble Dudleys.
I call bullshit, based off ofthe days that I was looking to
find how everyone was connected.
I call bullshit on them.
So sorry, reverend Dudley, butthat makes me not trust you,
first and foremost, right there.
Second, gershon Hollisterwasn't murdered.
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He fell from a rafter to hisdeath during a barn raising,
which I told you was possiblewhen he went to the Tanner house
.
He's not 100% sure on that.
That's just what he knows basedoff of, you know, whatever
records.
The third thing was the Cartertragedy.
Nathaniel Carter happened along way from Dudleytown, which
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happened in Binghamton, new York, right, but at some point,
carter did live in Dudleytown,so maybe he took the curse with
him.
Further, carter built a houseat the forks of the Delaware
wilderness, right in the middleof Indian country.
His three children survived.
Like I mentioned, his sonbecame a state Supreme Court
justice.
Did I say state Supreme Courtjustice?
Mm-hmm?
Okay, I think I just saidSupreme Court justice, maybe.
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Well, it was for the statesmen.
It wasn't like the federalSupreme Court.
Okay, it wasn't like thefederal Supreme Court, but I
just wanted to put Gary's youknow hard work to try to clear
his family's name in there, eventhough I don't believe some of
it.
So the book didn't get muchattention until the early 1970s.
That's when a Connecticutcouple the one the only, ed and
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Lorraine Warren, if you know,you know taped a Halloween
special from Dudleytown and theydeclared it demonically
possessed.
Ed Warren said Dudleytown wascontrolled by something quote
unquote terrifying.
Once they investigated, though,it stirred up a lot of interest
in the location, which pissedoff the neighbors.
By the way, it's now aprivately owned location, the
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Dark Entry Forest Association,which seems ominous, but the
association is named after thedense amount of trees and the
shadows from the mountainsides.
You're not allowed therelegally.
People catch you over there.
The cops are there withinminutes, so it's pretty well
guarded.
Now I have heard that sometrails start in the surrounding
areas.
That will get you close, if notinto Dudleytown, but I'm not
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recommending anyone attempt that, please don't.
So back in the 1960s, harrietClark, former president of the
Cornwall Historical Society,wrote a book about the real
history of Dudleytown, and inthe True Facts of Dudleytown,
which is what it's called, shewrote quote today's owners and
taxpayers of Dudley areprofessional people who live
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there for privacy and seclusion.
They do not welcome tourists orthose seeking tales of chilling
or wild experiences.
Please do not come.
There are no ghosts, no spiritsand no curse.
End quote Bullshit, uh, sidequest Dudleytown actually had a
hermit in 1989.
He still lived there.
Obviously we're in 2024, sohe's probably long gone.
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But his name was Walter Killamand he was an architect and he
moved to Deadly Town in 1938.
After camping there overnight,he bought about 40 acres and he
built 14 buildings on theproperty.
When people came across him,they would ask him if there were
any ghosts, and he would replywith if you believe in ghosts,
you will find one.
If you don't, then there aren'tany, which I thought was pretty
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funny.
Long live Mr Gillum.
There are some things that don'tjive with me, with the story,
with the people that areclaiming that it's all a bunch
of bull.
And here's just a couple ofthings that I wrote down as I
was doing my research.
The silence of the woods thereare historical societies that I
resourced.
They claim that sometime in the1960s Dudleytown had been
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sprayed with DDT and it stillaffects the woods today.
That's why it's so unnaturallyquiet in those woods.
Another thing was the evildemons and unearthly creatures
that were being seen was becauseof carbon monoxide poisoning
from the burning of the wood tomake the charcoal.
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They said that because of thepoor circulation and all of the
charcoal that was being madethat it could have made people
hallucinate.
Jinxy (26:18):
Nay nay.
Paranormal Howl (26:19):
That's what I say.
And then everyone going insane,losing their minds I thought I
had made a note, I thought itwas a funny equivalent to losing
their heads.
Started with, edmund went toJohn, then Guilford Everyone was
literally losing their heads.
And then you have the Dudleyfamily and those surrounding the
Dudley family in Dudley Townand supposedly it's cursed, and
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they're all figuratively losingtheir heads by losing their
minds.
Yeah, right, right.
Sometimes it's not the mostobvious thing, right, sometimes
it's a figurative thing.
Yeah, so Good question, right,okay, well, oh it's thundering,
it just got creepier.
Oh, the dog's on high alert.
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We're on high alert.
The hair on my arms just wentup.
All right Now.
I used to hike and camp a lot inmy 20s and for anyone who has
ever spent time in the woodswhether it be hiking, camping or
both when you enter the woodssomething happens to you.
It's almost a primal instinct.
You start to become hyper awareof everything around you, where
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you are, what you see and whatyou hear, and also what you
don't see and hear.
Many reports of hikers andinvestigators and people who
have walked through the darkentry forest have reported that
once you get to a certain point,things get really quiet no bird
, no bug, no leaves rustlingfrom the trees, nothing.
It's like a whole area islistening for something, even
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waiting.
I went to multiple websites andforums for personal accounts
and I don't have permission fromthe original posters, but there
are similarities in a lot oftheir accounts the unnatural
quiet, not wind, not wildlife,and yeah, it's a dense area,
lots of trees, but to hearabsolutely nothing, like you're
in a vacuum is extremely rare.
You're able to recreate avacuum-like environment, but out
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in the forest like that, it'snoticeable At a certain point in
many of their stories, postersrecount a loud, almost
metal-hitting pavement soundwhich, going from complete
silence to that out in themiddle of the forest, is
terrifying.
Visions or hallucinations wereanother one.
Many people said that theireyes would play tricks on them,
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seeing structures or people thatweren't there, seeing things as
a group, or only one personseeing it while everyone else
struggled to figure out what wasgoing on.
Interestingly, people reportmore experiences in the fall or
colder months.
You'd think it'd be theopposite, because sound travels
faster in warm air, plus.
In the fall and winter thetrees lose their leaves, so
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there's less coverage.
This means sound should traveleven further through the woods
during these colder months,which bends my mind about the
vacuum-like sound barrier somany people experience.
Jinxy (28:58):
Scientifically.
That does not make sense to me,that they don't hear it more.
What did okay?
How did you say it?
They don't hear it more in thecolder months, in the cold, like
fall and winter, okay, so I'velived in minnesota and um, aka
antarctica, um, you can hear afreaking pen drop after it's
snow, I mean, and it's likeright in front of you, right,
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because like everything is just.
And that doesn't make sense tome.
I know I have questions, well,ask them.
Dark entry.
Paranormal Howl (29:27):
Yeah, what a name.
I thought it was ominous too,and then it was like oh no, it's
just because of the canopy ofthe dense forest.
Ok, Well, you could have pickedsomething else.
Jinxy (29:38):
Like was there a lot of incest that was going on?
Paranormal Howl (29:41):
I don't know about incest, but I mean there
were 26 families that ended upgoing to Dudleytown and when
shit started going down andpeople were going crazy,
suicides were happening, peoplewere disappearing in the woods.
On top of that, there was noway to sustain a life there.
There were no crops.
They had to go in into othertowns, they had to sell you know
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their charcoal that they weremaking with the wood, and then
eventually, you know the ironore mills.
They needed a better source offuel.
It was no longer necessary.
So really, what do you do?
You know a lot of people wentout west to find more
opportunities and eventuallythat town, like well, that
village within that town, likemany places, ended up kind of
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just becoming defunct.
Jinxy (30:28):
Okay.
So at the end of it, when theywere like we don't want anybody,
we don't want anybody coming in, we don't want visitors, we
don't like, are there stillpeople that live there?
Paranormal Howl (30:38):
There are people that live on the property
.
It's private property now, butthey don't live in that
particular area.
But that's the thing that getsme.
You don't want people cominginto that area.
But why?
Why wouldn't you want to makeit something where people could
go?
That way, you can prove, a thatthere's nothing crazy going on
over there and, b you don't haveto be afraid of who's in your
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surrounding area.
Like, make it a public park andallow people in there.
But there are so many storiesand I'm talking about stories
today.
I'm talking about people thatstill go there today.
I'm talking about you know thestories that happened after the
70s, 80s, 90s, 2000s, 2010s.
Today You're having people comeout with experiences that do
sneak in there.
So what do you say to that?
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The fact that the police are soon top of kicking people out of
the woods, you know, not to getall stranger thingy about it,
but you remember the kids foundCERN in the woods, yeah, so what
, what's not to you know what?
If, what, if there is, what, ifthere are portals in that woods
and that's why you can't hearthings, or that's why people are
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seeing things like you can't.
You can't blame ddt today, youcannot for the lack of birds and
sound and this, and that youjust can't do that.
Jinxy (31:55):
It doesn't make sense no, I mean, you know birds and
animals and and everything,they're going to stay away.
If there's something to stayaway from, exactly, ie bad juju,
like if there's something badon the land, yeah, I mean, what
if it was the land that wascursed and not the dead place
which is quite possible.
Quite possible.
Or there's a portal, or there'sa portal.
But like, here's my thing, whydo you want to live in a
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fishbowl?
You're literally, Literallymaking it out.
There's three mountains thatare consuming this.
Paranormal Howl (32:23):
Well, and it was a very large parcel of land.
Like, don't get me wrong, itwas a big piece of land.
But for such a big piece ofland and for so many people to
be living there and to have itbe purely residential and not
have any other structures, whendo the kids go to school?
Jinxy (32:36):
Like where do they go to the doctor?
Paranormal Howl (32:38):
Not there, and that's the thing.
And they would come up off thismountain or wherever they were
in this valley and sell theirwares in surrounding areas Like
you're secluding yourself from.
But why?
You're just trying to make itwork.
There were other populatedareas, not densely populated.
If they wanted to go somewhereelse and be a part of a
community somewhere else, theycould have been, but they
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decided that that was going tobe the place.
So that's my story.
That was a good story.
It decided that that was goingto be the place, so that's my
story.
That's a good story.
It was a.
It was very, it was a veryfrustrating story.
I thought it was going to be.
I thought it was going to be alot scarier than it was because
I was buying into all of thebullshit stories.
But when I started reallylooking into it, it was a well,
what's under the surface type ofstory and why are things not
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adding up?
And why are people stillreporting that things are going
on in those woods?
And the woods are a scary place.
I mean, it's so much snow Iwant to go hike around.
Did I ever tell you about thetime I went hiking in the woods
and I had earphones in, I hadearbuds in and I was walking and
all of a sudden I feltsomething running up behind me
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and I turned around and Iscreamed bloody murder at this
woman that was running on thetrail.
And she screamed and we bothscared the shit out of each
other.
You're not supposed, you'resupposed to have one dad.
I mean bloody murder.
We looked at each other andthis woman was I mean, I'm not a
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little girl, by any means rightand she was just like this
petite little thing, but I couldfeel the forest floor and she
was running in those.
They're like feet, these shoesthat look like feet.
Oh, yeah, so you can be like onewith the ground or whatever.
So, like you know but okay,etiquette right Like I'm walking
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around this woods there mightbe bears, and if I feel
something coming up on me, I'mturning around and I'm screaming
, and I did like a bitch.
I screamed High pitch, bloodymurder, oh my God.
And I scared her, I scaredmyself.
Jinxy (34:43):
We scared each other.
Yes, it very much sounds likeyou did.
I'm going to start with alittle bit of trivia.
How many ghost towns are in NewMexico?
Seven.
Paranormal Howl (34:55):
Hundred.
Jinxy (34:56):
No.
Paranormal Howl (34:57):
Four hundred because you told me before you
weren't supposed to remember.
Jinxy (35:00):
But yes, there's four hundred.
I'm the only one answering.
People could call in.
Paranormal Howl (35:06):
What number?
What people?
Jinxy (35:11):
They could chime in.
All right, there's four hundred.
Not all of them are stillstanding buildings,
reminiscences of mining town.
So this story is a little bitof a ways away from where I grew
up, but I did have family thatlived up in that area.
So my story comes from the BlueWater Lake State Park and
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there's no names that areassociated with this story.
So hopefully I do my statejustice in the story that I pick
and then we'll do what was itat the end?
Prior to being married, a coupleset out on a camping trip,
grouped with about 10 others,including family.
They were just set offshore ofthe Blue Water Lake.
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Now they called it Blue WaterLake because I guess the less
algae that you have growing in alake, it makes the water bluer.
I didn't know that.
Did you know that?
I had no idea.
I had no idea.
Hence Blue Water Lake, allright.
So they set up their camp justa little bit offshore.
Didn't know that?
Did you know that?
I had no idea.
I had no idea.
Hence blue water lake, allright.
So they set up their camp justa little bit off the shore and
down further the shoreline therewas another group of friendly
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campers strangers nonetheless,and everybody was just, you know
, getting to know peopleintroducing themselves if they
didn't know each other.
And the woman, the maincharacter of this story, just
felt really off all day whenthey arrived.
Her and her partner, you know,had been dating and were
planning on getting married, soshe just really wanted to be
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there to show her best.
But doing what campers do thatnight, both sites seem to be
enjoying each other's company,playing cards, eating and, of
course, having a few cocktailsand telling stories or catching
up on the tea.
The woman kept hearing what shewould describe as little a
little girl whining.
Now, the youngest person intheir group was 18 and he was
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the youngest of the brothers ofthe then boyfriend, now husband,
so the assumption was that itwas.
They were just hearing somebodyover on their part, the other
campers' campground.
But she began to notice thatshe wasn't the only one that was
hearing the whining.
And then the whining became alittle bit more distressed and
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the more distressed it became.
Actually one of the people fromthe other campsite came over
and approached them and asked ifthe little girl was a part of
their group.
Nope, both groups were all fullof adults.
So safety in numbers.
Right, they set out withflashlights, all together to try
to find the source of thewhining, for the sake of it
being a lost or a scared,confused child that wandered off
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from their camp and needed help.
You're in the desert and safetyin numbers does not help you
when you just go lurking aboutFYI.
I'm just letting you know thatif we ever go back to the desert
, we are not safe in numbers.
Numbers don't help you in thedesert, okay, okay.
So they set out flashlights andall hoping that it was a child
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that was out there.
So there weren't any campsiteswhere the noise was coming from,
because there was only two bythe shoreline.
It was them and the otherpeople that were looking,
although there was a field ofgrass between the lake and the
forest, and this is where itkind of confuses me because,
like, you say forest but you'rein the fucking desert, so this,
like there must have just beenlike a whole bunch of like trees
and closure and stuff, becauseI looked it up on the map and
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it's like by Gallup and they'relike really in.
Anyways, so between the fieldof grass was between the lake
and the forest, and the closerthat they got into the field.
The little girl's whining got alot louder, as if she should
have been right in front of themall.
Instead of a troubled girl, asthe woman described, we all saw
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the same shit.
It was tall, taller than anyonein our group and skinny, but
completely white head to toe.
No features or clothes could bemade out.
But did you hear me when I saidthat it was all white?
Yeah, okay, it was all white.
The woman said that we alldescribed seeing the same thing,
and the more they watched,everyone realized the noises
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were coming from this thing.
No one said a word, but again,thinking safety in numbers,
right, the group started toapproach whatever this was to
get a better look.
Paranormal Howl (39:34):
They seemed like brilliant.
Jinxy (39:36):
Well, I mean, you know everybody was drinking, but said
woman and said man and maybethe 18-year-old was not drinking
.
Paranormal Howl (39:41):
Okay.
So they could have been thevoice of reason and said, hey,
maybe we shouldn't go.
By the way, isn't everyonepacking in New Mexico?
Jinxy (39:48):
anyway.
Well, you would think they werepacking flashlights.
They did that, wow, I mean Iwould have been packing a lot
more, because you gotrattlesnakes, you got scorpions,
you got any way.
You got big white, tall, skinnythings.
We got big white things thatyou're staring at, looking at
that is taller than anybody inyour group.
Paranormal Howl (40:04):
If I saw a naked white thing just standing
in the middle of the forest, inthe desert.
Jinxy (40:13):
Well, like, I think they're like describing it as
like, maybe like a white mist orsomething.
I don't really.
Everyone realized the noiseswere coming from this thing.
No one said a word.
But again, thinking stuffthrough numbers, they started to
approach it to get a betterlook.
Once closer, the groupsdescribed the thing as gliding
in the air, moving back andforth from the edge of the
forest.
The more everyone advanced, itseemed to back off, but still
facing them.
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Once it was backed up into theforest, the groups lost sight of
it and the noise just, I feellike everybody at this point was
probably like frozen in time ina what the fuck just happened?
Moment.
Right, because like it's dark,you hear a girl whining, your
ass has a flashlight.
You're going into a field thatleads into like a forest area.
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You see a white thing Like Idon't even.
It doesn't even say how muchtime they were in there, but I
was like, okay, but like, so,like, how much time do you think
that you spent in there?
Paranormal Howl (41:05):
Okay, well, it didn't say Well and if it's an
alien of any sort you know youdo lose track of time, right?
Isn't that like somethingcommon that happens when people
have extraterrestrialexperiences?
Jinxy (41:15):
I don't know You're from alien land, I know, but I might
be the alien, I don't, I don'tknow.
So anyway, the woman said thateverybody walked back, like the
noise just went away and I meanI'm not going to no for it, I'm
not, I'm not, I'm not, or I'mnot, I'm not, I'm not.
They made it to that's where Iwould call it quit If I even
made it that far.
Well, don't fight it.
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So, anyways, they all walkedback.
The other group went over totheir camping site on the
shoreline and everybody that wasin their group walked back to
their camping site, each personjust kind of having the same
feeling of an eerie tense vibe.
The woman explained she wantedto back up and she just wanted
to leave.
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She wanted to get the fuck outof Dodge but she didn't want the
group that she was with and herat the time boyfriend's family
to look down negatively on her.
But everybody just kind ofwandered off to their tents for
the night.
Anyways, after the littleepisode they just left.
They just well like they justmeandered on to their tents for
the night.
Anyways, after the littleepisode they just left.
They just well like they justmeandered on into their tent,
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they just, oh, here's this whitething.
Paranormal Howl (42:21):
Well, now it disappeared let's go to sleep.
Jinxy (42:22):
Yeah, I don't like.
That's why I'm a bunch ofcreeps, that's why I feel like
they were just like frozen intime and had like a what the
fuck moment, but I don't know.
Anyways, I guess they all, theyall went off and went to sleep
and about 2 am the noisesstarted up again same exact
noises in the same exact space.
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She refused to leave the tentuntil sunrise and then at that
point, everyone in the group hadthe same idea to get the fuck
out of there.
I would have done done it longbefore then, I think.
But all right.
So the topic seems to ariseevery once in a while through
stories when the family getstogether and apparently it at
all still freaks them the fuckout and people are like what the
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fuck?
Speaker 1 (43:05):
Like you just want to sleep.
Jinxy (43:06):
I don't know so what the fuck was it.
Paranormal Howl (43:10):
I would venture to think it was some type of
extraterrestrial, given thelocation, or some really strong
strain of hallucinogenicmushroom.
Jinxy (43:21):
They were not drinking, but they were on LSD.
Well, sightings haven't justbeen from that particular area.
Reading some of the comments ofthis particular story, the
Y-Files actually featured asimilar case, but it was further
south and east of Yemez, newMexico.
It involved a soldier on aremote outpost that was warned
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of encounters of common types ofaliens and the tall white.
The encounters included similarsounds of a little girl
sounding distressed to draw youout into the desert.
So I went on and I was like oh,tall whites, huh, so I am used
to the greys.
That is what was found inRoswell.
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There are common types ofaliens.
There is the greys, the greensapparently the Nordics Never
heard of them before and thetall whites, oh, feet tall, and
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they claim to have a largealmond shaped eyes and appear to
communicate telepathically.
I feel like all of them do,though they communicate
telepathically.
Paranormal Howl (44:40):
Oh, that just creeped me out yeah, so I mean
nevertheless.
Jinxy (44:44):
I mean I guess it goes on to say that their movements, um
can be graceful yet unsettling,almost like they're floating.
They're usually dressed intight-fitting suits, often with
luminous qualities, which addsto their ethereal appearance.
I'm sure everybody has heard ofCharles Hall and his
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experiences.
Apparently he had.
I've never heard of him.
You've never heard of CharlesHall, nope, okay.
So he's written books about hisexperiences.
He was a former weathermanstationed at Nellis Air Force
Base in Nevada, apparently had agood relationship with some of
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the common types of aliens andhave written books about it.
He describes them as verytechnologically advanced the
tall whites.
The tall whites, yes, I mean, Iguess at some point all of them
are more advanced than we are,but especially with the tall
whites, they are particularlyinterested in earth's social
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structures and human emotion.
They are very protective oftheir own children.
I guess they walk among us morethan any of the other ones do,
so they look the most human.
They look the most human.
Yeah, there have been sightingsin New Zealand, utah.
There have been some.
Most recent ones have been in2023, where somebody had
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reported a possible link in thetall whites and some classified
space programs.
So you know, yeah, looks likethey had a visit from the other
side.
Paranormal Howl (46:25):
So that makes me think that when we talk about
aliens in the White House,those are the ones that are
probably in the White Housebecause they are the less
conspicuous ones, but these,these skin tight suits that
they're wearing.
Jinxy (46:39):
Right, right, I mean you would think, ok.
So like, I was watching a showtoday I don't even know what it
was and they had mentioned thatlike, what was it like?
One time a year they will goaway from their children, to
like, have a vacation day and goto vegas and they go gambling.
Get the hell out of here.
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No, and like you have to, youhave to be very proper with them
.
Like they're like royalty, like, but, um, royalty according to
who, to them, I mean, they havetheir own mannerisms and I know
a lot of people who think thatthey're royalty.
Also.
Another excerpt goes on to saythat a grandpa and an uncle were
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out in the woods and heardsimilar sounds like a baby
crying.
They actually came across asmall baby in a field and went
to pick it up and it spoke Okay,now I don't know about this and
it spoke.
That's what it said.
Everybody, ladies and gentlemen, jack has entered the chat.
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Yes, he finally has.
So I guess the grandpa picked upthe baby and it spoke mira
tienes los dientes.
That's as close as I'm going toget to look, I have teeth, look
, I have teeth.
And at that baby.
And at that moment the babyopened its mouth and had
charvasty, okay, so that's awhat the fuck mom like that,
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like I, I'm like okay, but thatdoesn't pertain to like the tall
white, like why did you even Iget it Like that, scary as fuck?
And there was a baby.
And we are in the primeskinwalker territory.
Utah is known for it.
More New Mexico was primeterritory after territory of
indigenous tribes, friend andfoe of each other, before, like,
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it even became like a provinceand you know, went to the
spaniards and then we got itfrom the spaniards.
yada, yada, yada.
What the fuck was it?
Are you asking me?
Yeah, I'm asking you.
Oh, could be aliens, or how doyou feel about it being La
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Llorona?
Could?
Paranormal Howl (48:57):
That's a potential.
I mean, you hear a kid andthat's how she lures.
Yeah, la Llorona means what?
Jinxy (49:05):
Weeping La Llorona, la Llorona, llorona.
Okay, the two L's make a Ysound so, but doesn't that mean
weeping woman or the woman thatweeps?
Yeah?
Paranormal Howl (49:17):
But her whole premise is that she is I mean,
you know the whole folklore,yeah.
Jinxy (49:24):
I know the whole story.
I just I don't know that thatit quite fits, because this
thing was trying to lure theminto the forest and it was away
from the water, this thing wastrying to lure them into the
forest and it was away from thewater.
And, like I know that thepremise of the story whether
it's like the mech, the storyfrom mexico or venezuela or
whatever, is that she I mean.
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Some of them say that, like the, the pueblo pueblonian story is
that she fell in love with aSpaniard and the Spaniard
cheated on her or left her orsomething, and then she went and
killed the kids.
Yeah, she killed her kids andthen she drowned herself.
Yeah, okay, so.
Paranormal Howl (50:03):
I just.
She's a woman in despair.
Jinxy (50:05):
I don't really know that it quite fits, but it just means
white.
Paranormal Howl (50:09):
Right, white, right, well, I mean.
And then if it's trying to lureyou into the woods, it could
also be, which is not soprevalent there, but it is a
wooded area, the elemental of awendigo oh, I didn't think about
that.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
It's not really known in that, but it's like okay,
was it a?
Jinxy (50:28):
cryptid was it, but I don't feel like cryptids are
like they.
Paranormal Howl (50:31):
they don't come off as like just like a hazy
white thing, sure can Well, anelemental, I think would more
than I mean, but it could havebeen just one of those, you know
, it could have just been atweaker in one of those full
body suits that you can get atlike Spooky Town.
Jinxy (50:49):
Running around, you know, yeah, I mean I just I don't
know.
I mean people say skinwalker,so okay, so like here's the
thing, like I with the wholeskinwalker thing, I mean you've
said it to me you're like, oh mygod, didn't hear all the story.
I mean, no, I wasn't.
I knew more about shapeshiftersthan I.
Then I did the skinwalkers.
I don't know.
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I'm I am more, I'm more leaningtowards the side that it is
some type of demonic force.
Paranormal Howl (51:18):
Whoa, now we're getting into a whole different
thing, or an alien that's.
You just open it up to all thepossibilities.
Jinxy (51:27):
Yeah, or it could be some time.
I mean like it could be somekind of like tribal witchery.
Paranormal Howl (51:33):
Oh my goodness, what else could it be?
I don't know.
Jinxy (51:39):
Maybe we should go down to the Blue Water Lake and go
science, go find the tweaker inthe sperm costume.
Paranormal Howl (51:45):
Yeah, that was the.
I think the baby with the teethwas the scariest part of that
whole thing.
Jinxy (51:53):
Could you imagine Now that would be like the
skinwalker right.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
Danny's one of the end days.
Yeah, that would be.
Jinxy (52:01):
I could see that being the skinwalker.
Paranormal Howl (52:04):
You said that that baby had the razor teeth
and it automatically brought meto Spirit Halloween.
How they have those crazy,assass-looking baby toys, yeah,
the rubber ones yeah that arelike zombies and eating and
blood-covered and razor teeth.
Yeah, that's terrifying.
Jinxy (52:28):
It just gets my biological clock going, you know
, backwards or forwards, running, running the opposite way but,
yeah, I would love to hear whatpeople have to think or if
anybody lives in that area,because, like I, it's what was
the area again, gallup, yeah soit's 25 it was like 25 miles
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east of Grants, so that puts itin between Grants and Ballot,
which is in the upper kind ofcentral east, central part of
New Mexico.
Paranormal Howl (53:05):
So what did that have to do with ghost towns
, though?
Jinxy (53:08):
What do you mean?
It was just a trivia question.
Paranormal Howl (53:10):
Oh, I haven't gotten to the ghost towns yet,
oh well you said you weretalking about ghost towns, and
then you went to.
Jinxy (53:17):
Oh, I just wanted everybody to know, because I
have a ghost town that we'regoing to go to later on in one
of our episodes.
Oh, but it was.
You know, it's just an eerie,scary place in New Mexico.
Okay, maybe I shouldn't askthat trivia question Until I
actually have a ghost town.
Paranormal Howl (53:36):
Okay, you should save that ghost town
trivia question for the ghosttown episode for sure.
It's a good question, but nowyou need a new trivia question.
Yeah, sorry, I didn't mean tosteal your thunder on that, but
I had no idea where you weregoing with the ghost town.
Jinxy (53:53):
I'm not changing my story now.
We'll just delete the triviauntil next time.
Okay, but I want people towrite in and let me know what
they think.
Okay.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
Like.
Jinxy (54:04):
I've been to Gallup before, it's like you're in like
serious scary.
Paranormal Howl (54:08):
Did we drive through Gallup when we went to
New Mexico?
Jinxy (54:10):
No, so we flew into albuquerque.
Yeah, so albuquerque is gallupis north, right?
Yes, so albuquerque is too likeit's north, it's like in the
center of the state, but it'snot, it's northern.
And so you have to head west,go to gallup, and that's like
some serious, like tribalcountry.
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So that was I mean I want to know what it is.
I want to know what it is tooso if anyone knows what that
could have possibly been.
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welcome blue crew to the firstepisode of Paranormal Howl Hour.
Paranormal Howl (00:47):
I'm your host, paranormal Howl, and with me is
my spooky, sassy co-host, jinxy.
How are you doing tonight, jinx?
Fantastic, you sound it Well.
Being our first episode of theParanormal Howl Hour podcast, it
seems fitting to give a bit ofa background.
Most of you might know thishandle best, as I'm a horror
(01:12):
cosplay creator on TikTok, andthat really came from my love of
all things horror, paranormal,supernatural, so on and so forth
.
I was born and raised in ahousehold where Halloween was
one of the best times of theyear and admittedly, it seems
every year around that time wejust get more and more into it
(01:34):
individually as a family.
Hence why starting a podcastabout the scary, spooky and
kooky of it all and being ableto talk about the stuff
year-round seemed fitting.
And now I'm going to send itover to you, jinx.
Why don't you tell the boo crewthat's listening out there
tonight a little bit aboutjinxing all right, let's let you
(01:55):
guys know a little bit about me.
Jinxy (01:57):
I definitely have been a woman of journey across the
lovely states I was born in, inRoswell, new Mexico.
Yes, that is Roswell, newMexico, us of A UFO capital.
Paranormal Howl (02:12):
Alien land.
Jinxy (02:13):
You got it.
My initials are ALF.
Paranormal Howl (02:15):
No one needs to know that.
Jinxy (02:19):
I might be an alien, you might be All right.
I've lived other places.
I have definitely been a littlebit more of a traveler than you
.
Lived in the Southwest, theSouth, the Midwest, back to the
South, and now I'm, on the EastCoast, a world traveler.
You are yes, I am.
(02:40):
I'm staying put now.
Okay, we'll see.
I mean, unless'm staying putnow.
Okay, we'll see, I mean, unlessI go back to the Southwest.
Well, it is beautiful downthere in the Southwest.
It is, it is.
It is A little bit about Jinxy.
Jinxy got started on TikTok aswell.
That's where she met ParanormalAl and I.
(03:01):
An OG cosplayer kind of retiredher, but I guess she's back.
Paranormal Howl (03:07):
So what's this podcast about?
I'm into all things scary,spooky and kooky, and you know
what better way to share thatwith the world or just my sister
, who's probably listening bystarting a podcast.
Because why the hell not?
Jinxy (03:26):
hello sister, there'll be more people come on now.
Paranormal Howl (03:32):
Yeah, you know, we'll see.
I mean, if not, you know it's,we have more memories, right?
Jinxy (03:38):
I mean we'll get the word out there.
You know everybody knows yourhandle, some people know mine
right.
But if not, it's, it'ssomething for us, so it's cool.
You know everybody knows yourhandle, some people know mine
right.
Paranormal Howl (03:46):
But if not it's , it's something for us, so it's
cool.
You know we can uh, you know,scratch that off the bucket list
, start a podcast.
Well, the first episode wedecided we were going to do
stories and topics from our homestates, mine being connecticut.
You know, new England ingeneral is super creepy.
So I will be diving intosomething that is well known,
(04:08):
actually not just around thestate, but kind of around the
world.
And Jinx, where are you?
Jinxy (04:12):
taking us To my home state in the desert, New Mexico,
oh New.
Paranormal Howl (04:18):
Mexico.
Yeah, all right, a lot ofcreepy stuff happening out there
.
Yeah, wild wild west.
Jinxy (04:23):
Yeah, we've got creepy stuff happening out there, yeah,
wild wild west.
Paranormal Howl (04:25):
Yeah, we've got lots of aliens out there too.
Jinxy (04:27):
Yes, ma'am, I might be one of them.
Check out, I might be the onethat got away.
I mean, I was born in Roswell.
Anyway, you know, there you go,check out.
Paranormal Howl (04:39):
So I guess I'm going to go first, because I am.
Jinxy (04:43):
Well, you're the host, you gotta go first.
Paranormal Howl (04:45):
I guess I'm the host, that's true, you're right
.
So, uh, with that, I'm gonnahave, you guess, actually give
you three, three clues as towhere we're gonna go with this.
The first, the first clue isit's an abandoned place.
Oh, oh, oh, um, um, remingtonarms, no, okay.
The second clue is.
Jinxy (05:05):
It is curse.
Okay, the first thing that cameto mind was the Conjuring House
, but that's Rhode Island.
Um, that's Rhode Island.
Paranormal Howl (05:10):
Oh, we will definitely definitely be getting
into that.
There's a lot of stuff that'sgoing on with that place right
now.
Jinxy (05:16):
Um there's a lot of.
Paranormal Howl (05:17):
And you and I have actually visited there
before.
Yeah, tea.
Jinxy (05:31):
Going on about that?
Um, okay, curse dang, uh, Idon't know.
Okay, the third clue iscornwall.
Oh, oh, oh, I'm tearing up shit.
Um, that sanatorium, hospitalslash, school slash, whatever it
was right?
No damn, I don't know.
Paranormal Howl (05:42):
Then you gave me so many ideas, though, for my
next things to research.
No, I don't know if I've ever.
I think I've told you aboutthis place briefly Dudleytown,
connecticut.
Have you ever?
Jinxy (05:56):
heard of it.
Oh, I think you have mentionedDudleytown because I made fun of
it with the Dudley.
Like the little I was thinkingDudley, do right the little.
Paranormal Howl (06:05):
I was thinking Dudley, do-right the little
puppet guy Dudley Do-Right fromRocky and Bullwinkle yeah, no,
that's not where he comes from.
Oh, okay, so we're gonna getinto it with Dudley Town,
connecticut.
Okay, also known as the Villageof the Damned.
So this parcel of land isconsidered one of the most
(06:28):
haunted places in Connecticut,supposedly thanks to the Dudleys
themselves.
Okay, now I have to prefacewith something here.
There are many sources that Iused for this research, and they
are so conflicting that it mademe raise a lot of questions
about the truth of everythinggoing on there, and I've
determined that this is a caseof the three-sided story yours,
(06:53):
mine and the truth.
We'll see why as we go throughthis, okay.
Jinxy (06:57):
Okay, I'm not, I'm, I'm here for it.
I'm gonna have a lot ofquestions, I feel, feel like
that's okay, well, hopefully Ianswer all of them before this
is over.
You guys will learn as we gothrough this, like I'm the
question asker, so you are,you're like the first grader
that asks why the sky is blueand the grass is green.
Paranormal Howl (07:20):
That's right, and I hate to give the because
it is answer.
So this will be interesting andif I don't know anything then
you know.
Well, I'll tell you.
I'm not just going to make itup All right, let's hear it, all
right.
So according to many sources,the most popular rendition of
the story this is what I'm goingto give you first is that the
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Dudley family was cursed longbefore members of the family
migrated to Connecticut.
Back in the 1500s, EdmundDudley, who was the
administrator for King Henry VII, was accused of basically
embezzling from him, but wasn'tcharged with anything until King
Henry VII's death in 1509.
Vii's death in 1509.
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At that point, Henry VIIIcharged Edmund with treason,
along with another administratorof the king, and was beheaded.
This is where the quote-unquotecurse of the Dudleys began.
Edmund's son, John, who was theDuke of Northumberland, clearly
didn't learn from Edmund'smistakes, committed treason as
well and was beheaded in 1553.
Shortly after that, in 1554,John's son, Guildford, who was
(08:33):
also involved in treason, wasbeheaded.
So this Dudley family is justlosing their heads left and
right.
Now this is where things getfuzzy, and I had to do some
connect-the-dots work, becausethere's conflicting reports that
the Dudleys weren't of nobleblood and the connection between
1553 and the Dudley arrival inquotes in the 1700s was sparse.
(08:56):
I was able to figure out thatthe Dudleys, of noble descent,
actually started out as Suttonsin England and ultimately
related to the Dudleys, whoeventually ended up, purchasing
and living in Dudleytown.
Dudleys were deeply entrenchedin the politics and courtly
intrigues of the time, withvarious members playing crucial
(09:17):
roles in shaping England'shistory.
Now, how does that connect toGideon Dudley, the man born in
Connecticut in 1706 whoeventually purchased the Dudley
town land?
Well, the Dudley family hadmany branches and some members
sought new opportunities in theNew World.
The precise link from Edmund toGideon Dudley isn't entirely
(09:38):
clear, but it's likely thatGideon descended from a lesser
known member of the Dudleyfamily who emigrated to America
during the Great Migration inthe 1630s.
The Dudleys were among theprominent families in early
American history, withindividuals like Thomas Dudley,
who served as a colonialgovernor of Massachusetts, and
(09:59):
Gideon Dudley was likely part ofthis extended family network
that had crossed the Atlantic,bringing with them the Dudley
name and legacy.
We good so far.
Jinxy (10:09):
Yeah, I just I don't like .
How would they have not thoughtlike one was a duke and like
they all had prominent roles,like in the royalty right, most
of the men they were noblemen,yes, okay, and so then they come
over here and they get like in,well, it's in congress, right?
Paranormal Howl (10:36):
yeah, well, colonial congress congress.
Jinxy (10:41):
Right, okay, so, but there's like well, like royalty
had, like maesters and likewizards, and you're thinking on
the phone.
Paranormal Howl (10:53):
This is not game of thrones well it.
Jinxy (10:57):
It sounds like it, though I mean let me believe.
So Gideon was born inConnecticut.
Paranormal Howl (11:03):
Gideon was born in Connecticut, so it was
Gideon's father and Gideon'sgrandfather.
So this is where theinformation kind of got sketchy
and what I don't understand andwhat frustrated me.
But what also intrigued me wasthat there are so many people
and there's so many sources andno one was able to come up with
a clear family tree.
(11:24):
Now back to Gideon.
Gideon was born in Connecticutin 1706, and he's a descendant
of the Dudley family, possiblyfrom a branch that settled in
the American colonies during theGreat Migration of the Puritans
in the 1630s.
That was the migration, for youknow, people leaving England,
coming to America economicopportunities and to relieve
(11:45):
themselves of the religiouspersecution that was going on in
England.
So Gideon purchased land fromThomas Griffiths, who owned a
large portion of Cornwall,Connecticut, in 1747.
And by 1753, Gideon's brothers,Abel, Barzillai, Obijah and
Martin, join him, strengtheningthe Dudley presence.
Jinxy (12:05):
I have to give you props for knowing how to pronounce
those names.
I would have been a dud on that.
Paranormal Howl (12:11):
I was just faking it until I made it there.
Thank you, youtube, for tryingto get me to pronounce them
correctly.
So also, dudleytown isn't theactual name, like I mentioned
earlier, it's only a nicknamethat was given to the land,
which is part of Cornwall,connecticut, because of the
Dudley family living in the area, and actually there were more
(12:32):
than just the Dudleys that livedwithin that village of sorts.
Prominently there were Dudleys,heavy population.
There were Carters, barnards,trumbles, brophy's, bates, jones
, pattinson's, hollister's,dibble's, tanner's, rogers and
Porter's, among others.
Those were the main ones, andthe settlers ended up going to
(12:55):
this land and clearing the landand formed a community that
farmed flax, wheat and corn.
However, because of thedenseness of the forest itself
and the inadequate sunlight frommass-producing crops,
dudleytown utilized what theywere absolutely surrounded by
the trees.
They produced charcoal from thetrees and provided it to the
nearby industrial plants, andthose industrial plants were
(13:16):
actually mining iron ore.
So, fun fact, where theyestablished Dudleytown was
actually surrounded by threemountains.
We had Mohawk Mountain, baldMountain and there was a third
mountain and I don't rememberwhat it was, so we're going to
just leave that mystery.
But they essentially made homein a valley which by noon the
(13:38):
sun is not directly hitting thatportion of land anymore, so
therefore, I mean crops were notgetting the nutrients that they
needed from the site.
Also, fun fact, there were noschools or churches or anything
on this plot of land that theywere all living in.
It was strictly residential.
There was just a bunch ofpeople living in between
mountains.
Sounds like cult life, right?
I mean, it was just weird, likewhy would you pick this spot?
(14:04):
You know it didn't make sense,which kind of has me questioning
.
What were the motives?
Why was it this land that theywere attracted to?
There are multiple quote unquotecursed fates that come from
Dudleytown.
There were actually a lot offake ones that I had to sift
through and I had to remove, soI'm going to give you the ones
(14:24):
that I found multiple resourceson that proved to be true,
rather than the super scary fakeones, because I think the story
in and of itself about thisland is scary enough about
everything that happened.
I'm trying to really just siftthrough and make it an honest
topic, so to speak.
So in 1792, gershon Hollister,a member of the community, was
(14:45):
supposedly murdered in a homeowned by William Tanner, who
lived next door to Abel Dudley,one of the original brothers
that moved there.
There's conflicting storiesthat Hollister went to assist in
fixing Tanner's roof, was luredto a specific area and was
pushed to his death.
Others say it was an accident,his death, Others say it was an
(15:08):
accident.
But afterward Tanner startedtalking about wild animals and
demons and he went completelyinsane.
He's not going to be the onlyone.
He's definitely not the lastperson to go insane, which makes
this even creepier than before.
The Nathaniel Carter familylived in Abel Dudley's house
once.
Abel was essentially kicked outof his house and we'll get to
(15:29):
that next.
Yeah, but they moved to.
The Carter family ended upmoving to Binghamton, new York,
in 1959 after Nathaniel'sbrother and his brother's family
, along with several otherfamilies in Dudleytown, passed
from cholera.
And in 1964, while Nathanielwas away, natives killed his
(15:52):
family and infant child.
They captured his three otherchildren two girls who were used
for ransom and one boy who waseventually assimilated into the
tribe and they burnedNathaniel's house down.
When he returned, they scalpedand killed him too, and one of
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the weird things that I foundout about the boy who was
assimilated to the tribe heended up marrying one of the
tribesmen's daughters but thenleaving the tribe coming back to
the United States because theyhad escaped into Canada, came
back to the United States andbecame a Supreme Court justice,
(16:39):
blew my mind.
I couldn't believe it.
Jinxy (16:43):
OK, when you go down rabbit holes like you, you get
to the bottom of it and thencome back up.
Paranormal Howl (16:48):
I need to get back up, because then I'll just
get stuck there and then wewouldn't have a story.
So, and I know this is very no,but like the Dudleys have, like
they're nothing but bad luck.
Jinxy (16:59):
So I can see why they think that there's this curse.
Paranormal Howl (17:03):
Well, yeah, and it doesn't stop there.
So Abel Dudley, gideon'sbrother, eventually lost all his
possessions and his mind.
Like I said, nathaniel Carterhad moved into Abel's house and
that was after Abel had losteverything and was made a ward
of Dudleytown.
He died in 1799 at the age of90.
And a lot of people attributehim losing his mind to just
(17:26):
sonality.
Um, but it just, it doesn't sitright with me, because people
are just losing their minds inthis town left and right.
And you know, one can attributeit to supernatural happenings,
one can attribute it to just oldage, but we keep going down
(17:50):
this rabbit hole and see whathappens to the next people.
Heman Swift, a general in theAmerican Revolution.
He survived the war andreturned to Dudleytown and in
1804, his third wife was killedby a lightning strike shortly
after his return and then, aftershe died, he also went to see
(18:13):
Niall.
Jinxy (18:14):
What, yeah, like these people are just losing their
heads.
Maybe they just have a history,a family history of dementia.
Paranormal Howl (18:21):
Well, but he and Swift isn't a Dudley, oh,
and neither was um.
Jinxy (18:27):
So is it like maybe elemental or something Like,
something in the ground?
Paranormal Howl (18:31):
Well, there's a theory and we'll get to that.
So in 1906, oh, I'm sorry oneof the last families to remain
in Dudleytown were the Brophy's.
John Patrick Brophy's wife diedof consumption, which was a
common cause of death in the1800s.
His sons left town after theywere caught stealing.
They escaped into the woods butthey were never seen again.
(18:53):
They just like pieced out intothe woods and no one knows where
they went.
But I feel like that'd be easyto do back then.
Right, but like people, and youknow they had people looking for
them and trying to, you know,bring them back and what have
you, but they just, it was likewithout a trace.
Not only did all that happen.
(19:14):
So, mr Brophy, you know hiswife's dead.
His kids are running off intothe woods disappearing.
You think that his luck can'tget any worse?
Well, you'd be wrong.
His house then burned down, sonow this guy's homeless.
He's got no family, right.
So what does he do?
(19:35):
What do you think he does?
Jinxy (19:37):
Oh God, Off with his head .
Paranormal Howl (19:41):
No, he just fucking pieces out too.
He walks into the woods and hedisappears.
Jinxy (19:46):
Are the woods like taking the people?
Are the woods hiding the people?
Are they consuming?
Paranormal Howl (19:53):
the people who knows I mean at this point?
You know.
So in 1906, dr William Clark, aNew York cancer specialist,
bought a thousand acres on BaldMountain, which was one of the
surrounding mountains ofDudleytown, part of which of the
thousand acres did belong toDudleytown.
He was partial to the quietlife where he would spend his
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weekends, and in the summer of1918, he went to New York for a
brief business trip and returnedto find his wife had gone
insane and she spent the rest ofher life in a mental hospital
as she eventually committedsuicide.
It's a super sad story.
In 1924, dr Clark and hisfriends that lived in the area
of Dudleytown in Cornwall formedthe Dark Entry Forest
(20:39):
Association with the aim ofreforesting the land.
So basically everything thatthe members of Dudleytown had
cut down to make charcoal andsell to the factories they
reforested.
That was their whole goal.
They had hoped to run a woodmill and offer recreation to
children, so they plantedthousands of trees and by the
(21:00):
1930s a New York ski club usedtrails for skiing and summer
camps used them for horsebackriding.
Visitors also canoed down theHousatonic River.
But this all ended shortlyafter when the association
closed the forest to visitors.
It all started in 1926 whenEdward C Carr published his
(21:24):
story History of Cornwall.
For some reason he included twopages of fiction about
Dudleytown residents, and thosewere the fictitious stories that
I decided to leave out because,yeah, they were creepy, but the
real stuff is even creepier.
So in 1999, reverend Gary PDudley, a descendant of the
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Dudleytown Dudleys, workedthrough all the paperwork and
records and he was trying toclear the Dudleytown Dudleys of
their quote-unquote, cursedhistory and he concluded several
facts were merely fictitious.
And he concluded several factswere merely fictitious.
Number one the Dudleys weren'trelated descendants to the
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English noble Dudleys.
I call bullshit, based off ofthe days that I was looking to
find how everyone was connected.
I call bullshit on them.
So sorry, reverend Dudley, butthat makes me not trust you,
first and foremost, right there.
Second, gershon Hollisterwasn't murdered.
(22:28):
He fell from a rafter to hisdeath during a barn raising,
which I told you was possiblewhen he went to the Tanner house
.
He's not 100% sure on that.
That's just what he knows basedoff of, you know, whatever
records.
The third thing was the Cartertragedy.
Nathaniel Carter happened along way from Dudleytown, which
(22:55):
happened in Binghamton, new York, right, but at some point,
carter did live in Dudleytown,so maybe he took the curse with
him.
Further, carter built a houseat the forks of the Delaware
wilderness, right in the middleof Indian country.
His three children survived.
Like I mentioned, his sonbecame a state Supreme Court
justice.
Did I say state Supreme Courtjustice?
Mm-hmm?
Okay, I think I just saidSupreme Court justice, maybe.
(23:17):
Well, it was for the statesmen.
It wasn't like the federalSupreme Court.
Okay, it wasn't like thefederal Supreme Court, but I
just wanted to put Gary's youknow hard work to try to clear
his family's name in there, eventhough I don't believe some of
it.
So the book didn't get muchattention until the early 1970s.
That's when a Connecticutcouple the one the only, ed and
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Lorraine Warren, if you know,you know taped a Halloween
special from Dudleytown and theydeclared it demonically
possessed.
Ed Warren said Dudleytown wascontrolled by something quote
unquote terrifying.
Once they investigated, though,it stirred up a lot of interest
in the location, which pissedoff the neighbors.
By the way, it's now aprivately owned location, the
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Dark Entry Forest Association,which seems ominous, but the
association is named after thedense amount of trees and the
shadows from the mountainsides.
You're not allowed therelegally.
People catch you over there.
The cops are there withinminutes, so it's pretty well
guarded.
Now I have heard that sometrails start in the surrounding
areas.
That will get you close, if notinto Dudleytown, but I'm not
(24:22):
recommending anyone attempt that, please don't.
So back in the 1960s, harrietClark, former president of the
Cornwall Historical Society,wrote a book about the real
history of Dudleytown, and inthe True Facts of Dudleytown,
which is what it's called, shewrote quote today's owners and
taxpayers of Dudley areprofessional people who live
(24:42):
there for privacy and seclusion.
They do not welcome tourists orthose seeking tales of chilling
or wild experiences.
Please do not come.
There are no ghosts, no spiritsand no curse.
End quote Bullshit, uh, sidequest Dudleytown actually had a
hermit in 1989.
He still lived there.
Obviously we're in 2024, sohe's probably long gone.
(25:04):
But his name was Walter Killamand he was an architect and he
moved to Deadly Town in 1938.
After camping there overnight,he bought about 40 acres and he
built 14 buildings on theproperty.
When people came across him,they would ask him if there were
any ghosts, and he would replywith if you believe in ghosts,
you will find one.
If you don't, then there aren'tany, which I thought was pretty
(25:27):
funny.
Long live Mr Gillum.
There are some things that don'tjive with me, with the story,
with the people that areclaiming that it's all a bunch
of bull.
And here's just a couple ofthings that I wrote down as I
was doing my research.
The silence of the woods thereare historical societies that I
resourced.
They claim that sometime in the1960s Dudleytown had been
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sprayed with DDT and it stillaffects the woods today.
That's why it's so unnaturallyquiet in those woods.
Another thing was the evildemons and unearthly creatures
that were being seen was becauseof carbon monoxide poisoning
from the burning of the wood tomake the charcoal.
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They said that because of thepoor circulation and all of the
charcoal that was being madethat it could have made people
hallucinate.
Jinxy (26:18):
Nay nay.
Paranormal Howl (26:19):
That's what I say.
And then everyone going insane,losing their minds I thought I
had made a note, I thought itwas a funny equivalent to losing
their heads.
Started with, edmund went toJohn, then Guilford Everyone was
literally losing their heads.
And then you have the Dudleyfamily and those surrounding the
Dudley family in Dudley Townand supposedly it's cursed, and
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they're all figuratively losingtheir heads by losing their
minds.
Yeah, right, right.
Sometimes it's not the mostobvious thing, right, sometimes
it's a figurative thing.
Yeah, so Good question, right,okay, well, oh it's thundering,
it just got creepier.
Oh, the dog's on high alert.
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We're on high alert.
The hair on my arms just wentup.
All right Now.
I used to hike and camp a lot inmy 20s and for anyone who has
ever spent time in the woodswhether it be hiking, camping or
both when you enter the woodssomething happens to you.
It's almost a primal instinct.
You start to become hyper awareof everything around you, where
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you are, what you see and whatyou hear, and also what you
don't see and hear.
Many reports of hikers andinvestigators and people who
have walked through the darkentry forest have reported that
once you get to a certain point,things get really quiet no bird
, no bug, no leaves rustlingfrom the trees, nothing.
It's like a whole area islistening for something, even
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waiting.
I went to multiple websites andforums for personal accounts
and I don't have permission fromthe original posters, but there
are similarities in a lot oftheir accounts the unnatural
quiet, not wind, not wildlife,and yeah, it's a dense area,
lots of trees, but to hearabsolutely nothing, like you're
in a vacuum is extremely rare.
You're able to recreate avacuum-like environment, but out
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in the forest like that, it'snoticeable At a certain point in
many of their stories, postersrecount a loud, almost
metal-hitting pavement soundwhich, going from complete
silence to that out in themiddle of the forest, is
terrifying.
Visions or hallucinations wereanother one.
Many people said that theireyes would play tricks on them,
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seeing structures or people thatweren't there, seeing things as
a group, or only one personseeing it while everyone else
struggled to figure out what wasgoing on.
Interestingly, people reportmore experiences in the fall or
colder months.
You'd think it'd be theopposite, because sound travels
faster in warm air, plus.
In the fall and winter thetrees lose their leaves, so
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there's less coverage.
This means sound should traveleven further through the woods
during these colder months,which bends my mind about the
vacuum-like sound barrier somany people experience.
Jinxy (28:58):
Scientifically.
That does not make sense to me,that they don't hear it more.
What did okay?
How did you say it?
They don't hear it more in thecolder months, in the cold, like
fall and winter, okay, so I'velived in minnesota and um, aka
antarctica, um, you can hear afreaking pen drop after it's
snow, I mean, and it's likeright in front of you, right,
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because like everything is just.
And that doesn't make sense tome.
I know I have questions, well,ask them.
Dark entry.
Paranormal Howl (29:27):
Yeah, what a name.
I thought it was ominous too,and then it was like oh no, it's
just because of the canopy ofthe dense forest.
Ok, Well, you could have pickedsomething else.
Jinxy (29:38):
Like was there a lot of incest that was going on?
Paranormal Howl (29:41):
I don't know about incest, but I mean there
were 26 families that ended upgoing to Dudleytown and when
shit started going down andpeople were going crazy,
suicides were happening, peoplewere disappearing in the woods.
On top of that, there was noway to sustain a life there.
There were no crops.
They had to go in into othertowns, they had to sell you know
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their charcoal that they weremaking with the wood, and then
eventually, you know the ironore mills.
They needed a better source offuel.
It was no longer necessary.
So really, what do you do?
You know a lot of people wentout west to find more
opportunities and eventuallythat town, like well, that
village within that town, likemany places, ended up kind of
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just becoming defunct.
Jinxy (30:28):
Okay.
So at the end of it, when theywere like we don't want anybody,
we don't want anybody coming in, we don't want visitors, we
don't like, are there stillpeople that live there?
Paranormal Howl (30:38):
There are people that live on the property
.
It's private property now, butthey don't live in that
particular area.
But that's the thing that getsme.
You don't want people cominginto that area.
But why?
Why wouldn't you want to makeit something where people could
go?
That way, you can prove, a thatthere's nothing crazy going on
over there and, b you don't haveto be afraid of who's in your
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surrounding area.
Like, make it a public park andallow people in there.
But there are so many storiesand I'm talking about stories
today.
I'm talking about people thatstill go there today.
I'm talking about you know thestories that happened after the
70s, 80s, 90s, 2000s, 2010s.
Today You're having people comeout with experiences that do
sneak in there.
So what do you say to that?
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The fact that the police are soon top of kicking people out of
the woods, you know, not to getall stranger thingy about it,
but you remember the kids foundCERN in the woods, yeah, so what
, what's not to you know what?
If, what, if there is, what, ifthere are portals in that woods
and that's why you can't hearthings, or that's why people are
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seeing things like you can't.
You can't blame ddt today, youcannot for the lack of birds and
sound and this, and that youjust can't do that.
Jinxy (31:55):
It doesn't make sense no, I mean, you know birds and
animals and and everything,they're going to stay away.
If there's something to stayaway from, exactly, ie bad juju,
like if there's something badon the land, yeah, I mean, what
if it was the land that wascursed and not the dead place
which is quite possible.
Quite possible.
Or there's a portal, or there'sa portal.
But like, here's my thing, whydo you want to live in a
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fishbowl?
You're literally, Literallymaking it out.
There's three mountains thatare consuming this.
Paranormal Howl (32:23):
Well, and it was a very large parcel of land.
Like, don't get me wrong, itwas a big piece of land.
But for such a big piece ofland and for so many people to
be living there and to have itbe purely residential and not
have any other structures, whendo the kids go to school?
Jinxy (32:36):
Like where do they go to the doctor?
Paranormal Howl (32:38):
Not there, and that's the thing.
And they would come up off thismountain or wherever they were
in this valley and sell theirwares in surrounding areas Like
you're secluding yourself from.
But why?
You're just trying to make itwork.
There were other populatedareas, not densely populated.
If they wanted to go somewhereelse and be a part of a
community somewhere else, theycould have been, but they
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decided that that was going tobe the place.
So that's my story.
That was a good story.
It decided that that was goingto be the place, so that's my
story.
That's a good story.
It was a.
It was very, it was a veryfrustrating story.
I thought it was going to be.
I thought it was going to be alot scarier than it was because
I was buying into all of thebullshit stories.
But when I started reallylooking into it, it was a well,
what's under the surface type ofstory and why are things not
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adding up?
And why are people stillreporting that things are going
on in those woods?
And the woods are a scary place.
I mean, it's so much snow Iwant to go hike around.
Did I ever tell you about thetime I went hiking in the woods
and I had earphones in, I hadearbuds in and I was walking and
all of a sudden I feltsomething running up behind me
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and I turned around and Iscreamed bloody murder at this
woman that was running on thetrail.
And she screamed and we bothscared the shit out of each
other.
You're not supposed, you'resupposed to have one dad.
I mean bloody murder.
We looked at each other andthis woman was I mean, I'm not a
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little girl, by any means rightand she was just like this
petite little thing, but I couldfeel the forest floor and she
was running in those.
They're like feet, these shoesthat look like feet.
Oh, yeah, so you can be like onewith the ground or whatever.
So, like you know but okay,etiquette right Like I'm walking
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around this woods there mightbe bears, and if I feel
something coming up on me, I'mturning around and I'm screaming
, and I did like a bitch.
I screamed High pitch, bloodymurder, oh my God.
And I scared her, I scaredmyself.
Jinxy (34:43):
We scared each other.
Yes, it very much sounds likeyou did.
I'm going to start with alittle bit of trivia.
How many ghost towns are in NewMexico?
Seven.
Paranormal Howl (34:55):
Hundred.
Jinxy (34:56):
No.
Paranormal Howl (34:57):
Four hundred because you told me before you
weren't supposed to remember.
Jinxy (35:00):
But yes, there's four hundred.
I'm the only one answering.
People could call in.
Paranormal Howl (35:06):
What number?
What people?
Jinxy (35:11):
They could chime in.
All right, there's four hundred.
Not all of them are stillstanding buildings,
reminiscences of mining town.
So this story is a little bitof a ways away from where I grew
up, but I did have family thatlived up in that area.
So my story comes from the BlueWater Lake State Park and
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there's no names that areassociated with this story.
So hopefully I do my statejustice in the story that I pick
and then we'll do what was itat the end?
Prior to being married, a coupleset out on a camping trip,
grouped with about 10 others,including family.
They were just set offshore ofthe Blue Water Lake.
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Now they called it Blue WaterLake because I guess the less
algae that you have growing in alake, it makes the water bluer.
I didn't know that.
Did you know that?
I had no idea.
I had no idea.
Hence Blue Water Lake, allright.
So they set up their camp justa little bit offshore.
Didn't know that?
Did you know that?
I had no idea.
I had no idea.
Hence blue water lake, allright.
So they set up their camp justa little bit off the shore and
down further the shoreline therewas another group of friendly
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campers strangers nonetheless,and everybody was just, you know
, getting to know peopleintroducing themselves if they
didn't know each other.
And the woman, the maincharacter of this story, just
felt really off all day whenthey arrived.
Her and her partner, you know,had been dating and were
planning on getting married, soshe just really wanted to be
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there to show her best.
But doing what campers do thatnight, both sites seem to be
enjoying each other's company,playing cards, eating and, of
course, having a few cocktailsand telling stories or catching
up on the tea.
The woman kept hearing what shewould describe as little a
little girl whining.
Now, the youngest person intheir group was 18 and he was
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the youngest of the brothers ofthe then boyfriend, now husband,
so the assumption was that itwas.
They were just hearing somebodyover on their part, the other
campers' campground.
But she began to notice thatshe wasn't the only one that was
hearing the whining.
And then the whining became alittle bit more distressed and
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the more distressed it became.
Actually one of the people fromthe other campsite came over
and approached them and asked ifthe little girl was a part of
their group.
Nope, both groups were all fullof adults.
So safety in numbers.
Right, they set out withflashlights, all together to try
to find the source of thewhining, for the sake of it
being a lost or a scared,confused child that wandered off
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from their camp and needed help.
You're in the desert and safetyin numbers does not help you
when you just go lurking aboutFYI.
I'm just letting you know thatif we ever go back to the desert
, we are not safe in numbers.
Numbers don't help you in thedesert, okay, okay.
So they set out flashlights andall hoping that it was a child
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that was out there.
So there weren't any campsiteswhere the noise was coming from,
because there was only two bythe shoreline.
It was them and the otherpeople that were looking,
although there was a field ofgrass between the lake and the
forest, and this is where itkind of confuses me because,
like, you say forest but you'rein the fucking desert, so this,
like there must have just beenlike a whole bunch of like trees
and closure and stuff, becauseI looked it up on the map and
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it's like by Gallup and they'relike really in.
Anyways, so between the fieldof grass was between the lake
and the forest, and the closerthat they got into the field.
The little girl's whining got alot louder, as if she should
have been right in front of themall.
Instead of a troubled girl, asthe woman described, we all saw
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the same shit.
It was tall, taller than anyonein our group and skinny, but
completely white head to toe.
No features or clothes could bemade out.
But did you hear me when I saidthat it was all white?
Yeah, okay, it was all white.
The woman said that we alldescribed seeing the same thing,
and the more they watched,everyone realized the noises
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were coming from this thing.
No one said a word, but again,thinking safety in numbers,
right, the group started toapproach whatever this was to
get a better look.
Paranormal Howl (39:34):
They seemed like brilliant.
Jinxy (39:36):
Well, I mean, you know everybody was drinking, but said
woman and said man and maybethe 18-year-old was not drinking
.
Paranormal Howl (39:41):
Okay.
So they could have been thevoice of reason and said, hey,
maybe we shouldn't go.
By the way, isn't everyonepacking in New Mexico?
Jinxy (39:48):
anyway.
Well, you would think they werepacking flashlights.
They did that, wow, I mean Iwould have been packing a lot
more, because you gotrattlesnakes, you got scorpions,
you got any way.
You got big white, tall, skinnythings.
We got big white things thatyou're staring at, looking at
that is taller than anybody inyour group.
Paranormal Howl (40:04):
If I saw a naked white thing just standing
in the middle of the forest, inthe desert.
Jinxy (40:13):
Well, like, I think they're like describing it as
like, maybe like a white mist orsomething.
I don't really.
Everyone realized the noiseswere coming from this thing.
No one said a word.
But again, thinking stuffthrough numbers, they started to
approach it to get a betterlook.
Once closer, the groupsdescribed the thing as gliding
in the air, moving back andforth from the edge of the
forest.
The more everyone advanced, itseemed to back off, but still
facing them.
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Once it was backed up into theforest, the groups lost sight of
it and the noise just, I feellike everybody at this point was
probably like frozen in time ina what the fuck just happened?
Moment.
Right, because like it's dark,you hear a girl whining, your
ass has a flashlight.
You're going into a field thatleads into like a forest area.
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You see a white thing Like Idon't even.
It doesn't even say how muchtime they were in there, but I
was like, okay, but like, so,like, how much time do you think
that you spent in there?
Paranormal Howl (41:05):
Okay, well, it didn't say Well and if it's an
alien of any sort you know youdo lose track of time, right?
Isn't that like somethingcommon that happens when people
have extraterrestrialexperiences?
Jinxy (41:15):
I don't know You're from alien land, I know, but I might
be the alien, I don't, I don'tknow.
So anyway, the woman said thateverybody walked back, like the
noise just went away and I meanI'm not going to no for it, I'm
not, I'm not, I'm not, or I'mnot, I'm not, I'm not.
They made it to that's where Iwould call it quit If I even
made it that far.
Well, don't fight it.
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So, anyways, they all walkedback.
The other group went over totheir camping site on the
shoreline and everybody that wasin their group walked back to
their camping site, each personjust kind of having the same
feeling of an eerie tense vibe.
The woman explained she wantedto back up and she just wanted
to leave.
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She wanted to get the fuck outof Dodge but she didn't want the
group that she was with and herat the time boyfriend's family
to look down negatively on her.
But everybody just kind ofwandered off to their tents for
the night.
Anyways, after the littleepisode they just left.
They just well like they justmeandered on to their tents for
the night.
Anyways, after the littleepisode they just left.
They just well like they justmeandered on into their tent,
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they just, oh, here's this whitething.
Paranormal Howl (42:21):
Well, now it disappeared let's go to sleep.
Jinxy (42:22):
Yeah, I don't like.
That's why I'm a bunch ofcreeps, that's why I feel like
they were just like frozen intime and had like a what the
fuck moment, but I don't know.
Anyways, I guess they all, theyall went off and went to sleep
and about 2 am the noisesstarted up again same exact
noises in the same exact space.
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She refused to leave the tentuntil sunrise and then at that
point, everyone in the group hadthe same idea to get the fuck
out of there.
I would have done done it longbefore then, I think.
But all right.
So the topic seems to ariseevery once in a while through
stories when the family getstogether and apparently it at
all still freaks them the fuckout and people are like what the
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fuck?
Speaker 1 (43:05):
Like you just want to sleep.
Jinxy (43:06):
I don't know so what the fuck was it.
Paranormal Howl (43:10):
I would venture to think it was some type of
extraterrestrial, given thelocation, or some really strong
strain of hallucinogenicmushroom.
Jinxy (43:21):
They were not drinking, but they were on LSD.
Well, sightings haven't justbeen from that particular area.
Reading some of the comments ofthis particular story, the
Y-Files actually featured asimilar case, but it was further
south and east of Yemez, newMexico.
It involved a soldier on aremote outpost that was warned
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of encounters of common types ofaliens and the tall white.
The encounters included similarsounds of a little girl
sounding distressed to draw youout into the desert.
So I went on and I was like oh,tall whites, huh, so I am used
to the greys.
That is what was found inRoswell.
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There are common types ofaliens.
There is the greys, the greensapparently the Nordics Never
heard of them before and thetall whites, oh, feet tall, and
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they claim to have a largealmond shaped eyes and appear to
communicate telepathically.
I feel like all of them do,though they communicate
telepathically.
Paranormal Howl (44:40):
Oh, that just creeped me out yeah, so I mean
nevertheless.
Jinxy (44:44):
I mean I guess it goes on to say that their movements, um
can be graceful yet unsettling,almost like they're floating.
They're usually dressed intight-fitting suits, often with
luminous qualities, which addsto their ethereal appearance.
I'm sure everybody has heard ofCharles Hall and his
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experiences.
Apparently he had.
I've never heard of him.
You've never heard of CharlesHall, nope, okay.
So he's written books about hisexperiences.
He was a former weathermanstationed at Nellis Air Force
Base in Nevada, apparently had agood relationship with some of
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the common types of aliens andhave written books about it.
He describes them as verytechnologically advanced the
tall whites.
The tall whites, yes, I mean, Iguess at some point all of them
are more advanced than we are,but especially with the tall
whites, they are particularlyinterested in earth's social
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structures and human emotion.
They are very protective oftheir own children.
I guess they walk among us morethan any of the other ones do,
so they look the most human.
They look the most human.
Yeah, there have been sightingsin New Zealand, utah.
There have been some.
Most recent ones have been in2023, where somebody had
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reported a possible link in thetall whites and some classified
space programs.
So you know, yeah, looks likethey had a visit from the other
side.
Paranormal Howl (46:25):
So that makes me think that when we talk about
aliens in the White House,those are the ones that are
probably in the White Housebecause they are the less
conspicuous ones, but these,these skin tight suits that
they're wearing.
Jinxy (46:39):
Right, right, I mean you would think, ok.
So like, I was watching a showtoday I don't even know what it
was and they had mentioned thatlike, what was it like?
One time a year they will goaway from their children, to
like, have a vacation day and goto vegas and they go gambling.
Get the hell out of here.
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No, and like you have to, youhave to be very proper with them
.
Like they're like royalty, like, but, um, royalty according to
who, to them, I mean, they havetheir own mannerisms and I know
a lot of people who think thatthey're royalty.
Also.
Another excerpt goes on to saythat a grandpa and an uncle were
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out in the woods and heardsimilar sounds like a baby
crying.
They actually came across asmall baby in a field and went
to pick it up and it spoke Okay,now I don't know about this and
it spoke.
That's what it said.
Everybody, ladies and gentlemen, jack has entered the chat.
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Yes, he finally has.
So I guess the grandpa picked upthe baby and it spoke mira
tienes los dientes.
That's as close as I'm going toget to look, I have teeth, look
, I have teeth.
And at that baby.
And at that moment the babyopened its mouth and had
charvasty, okay, so that's awhat the fuck mom like that,
(48:12):
like I, I'm like okay, but thatdoesn't pertain to like the tall
white, like why did you even Iget it Like that, scary as fuck?
And there was a baby.
And we are in the primeskinwalker territory.
Utah is known for it.
More New Mexico was primeterritory after territory of
indigenous tribes, friend andfoe of each other, before, like,
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it even became like a provinceand you know, went to the
spaniards and then we got itfrom the spaniards.
yada, yada, yada.
What the fuck was it?
Are you asking me?
Yeah, I'm asking you.
Oh, could be aliens, or how doyou feel about it being La
(48:55):
Llorona?
Could?
Paranormal Howl (48:57):
That's a potential.
I mean, you hear a kid andthat's how she lures.
Yeah, la Llorona means what?
Jinxy (49:05):
Weeping La Llorona, la Llorona, llorona.
Okay, the two L's make a Ysound so, but doesn't that mean
weeping woman or the woman thatweeps?
Yeah?
Paranormal Howl (49:17):
But her whole premise is that she is I mean,
you know the whole folklore,yeah.
Jinxy (49:24):
I know the whole story.
I just I don't know that thatit quite fits, because this
thing was trying to lure theminto the forest and it was away
from the water, this thing wastrying to lure them into the
forest and it was away from thewater.
And, like I know that thepremise of the story whether
it's like the mech, the storyfrom mexico or venezuela or
whatever, is that she I mean.
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Some of them say that, like the, the pueblo pueblonian story is
that she fell in love with aSpaniard and the Spaniard
cheated on her or left her orsomething, and then she went and
killed the kids.
Yeah, she killed her kids andthen she drowned herself.
Yeah, okay, so.
Paranormal Howl (50:03):
I just.
She's a woman in despair.
Jinxy (50:05):
I don't really know that it quite fits, but it just means
white.
Paranormal Howl (50:09):
Right, white, right, well, I mean.
And then if it's trying to lureyou into the woods, it could
also be, which is not soprevalent there, but it is a
wooded area, the elemental of awendigo oh, I didn't think about
that.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
It's not really known in that, but it's like okay,
was it a?
Jinxy (50:28):
cryptid was it, but I don't feel like cryptids are
like they.
Paranormal Howl (50:31):
they don't come off as like just like a hazy
white thing, sure can Well, anelemental, I think would more
than I mean, but it could havebeen just one of those, you know
, it could have just been atweaker in one of those full
body suits that you can get atlike Spooky Town.
Jinxy (50:49):
Running around, you know, yeah, I mean I just I don't
know.
I mean people say skinwalker,so okay, so like here's the
thing, like I with the wholeskinwalker thing, I mean you've
said it to me you're like, oh mygod, didn't hear all the story.
I mean, no, I wasn't.
I knew more about shapeshiftersthan I.
Then I did the skinwalkers.
I don't know.
(51:09):
I'm I am more, I'm more leaningtowards the side that it is
some type of demonic force.
Paranormal Howl (51:18):
Whoa, now we're getting into a whole different
thing, or an alien that's.
You just open it up to all thepossibilities.
Jinxy (51:27):
Yeah, or it could be some time.
I mean like it could be somekind of like tribal witchery.
Paranormal Howl (51:33):
Oh my goodness, what else could it be?
I don't know.
Jinxy (51:39):
Maybe we should go down to the Blue Water Lake and go
science, go find the tweaker inthe sperm costume.
Paranormal Howl (51:45):
Yeah, that was the.
I think the baby with the teethwas the scariest part of that
whole thing.
Jinxy (51:53):
Could you imagine Now that would be like the
skinwalker right.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
Danny's one of the end days.
Yeah, that would be.
Jinxy (52:01):
I could see that being the skinwalker.
Paranormal Howl (52:04):
You said that that baby had the razor teeth
and it automatically brought meto Spirit Halloween.
How they have those crazy,assass-looking baby toys, yeah,
the rubber ones yeah that arelike zombies and eating and
blood-covered and razor teeth.
Yeah, that's terrifying.
Jinxy (52:28):
It just gets my biological clock going, you know
, backwards or forwards, running, running the opposite way but,
yeah, I would love to hear whatpeople have to think or if
anybody lives in that area,because, like I, it's what was
the area again, gallup, yeah soit's 25 it was like 25 miles
(52:51):
east of Grants, so that puts itin between Grants and Ballot,
which is in the upper kind ofcentral east, central part of
New Mexico.
Paranormal Howl (53:05):
So what did that have to do with ghost towns
, though?
Jinxy (53:08):
What do you mean?
It was just a trivia question.
Paranormal Howl (53:10):
Oh, I haven't gotten to the ghost towns yet,
oh well you said you weretalking about ghost towns, and
then you went to.
Jinxy (53:17):
Oh, I just wanted everybody to know, because I
have a ghost town that we'regoing to go to later on in one
of our episodes.
Oh, but it was.
You know, it's just an eerie,scary place in New Mexico.
Okay, maybe I shouldn't askthat trivia question Until I
actually have a ghost town.
Paranormal Howl (53:36):
Okay, you should save that ghost town
trivia question for the ghosttown episode for sure.
It's a good question, but nowyou need a new trivia question.
Yeah, sorry, I didn't mean tosteal your thunder on that, but
I had no idea where you weregoing with the ghost town.
Jinxy (53:53):
I'm not changing my story now.
We'll just delete the triviauntil next time.
Okay, but I want people towrite in and let me know what
they think.
Okay.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
Like.
Jinxy (54:04):
I've been to Gallup before, it's like you're in like
serious scary.
Paranormal Howl (54:08):
Did we drive through Gallup when we went to
New Mexico?
Jinxy (54:10):
No, so we flew into albuquerque.
Yeah, so albuquerque is gallupis north, right?
Yes, so albuquerque is too likeit's north, it's like in the
center of the state, but it'snot, it's northern.
And so you have to head west,go to gallup, and that's like
some serious, like tribalcountry.
Paranormal Howl (54:30):
So that was I mean I want to know what it is.
I want to know what it is tooso if anyone knows what that
could have possibly been.
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