The Rendlesham Forest Incident

🛸 Paranormal Lens Podcast - Season 2, Episode 31: The Rendlesham Forest Incident 🌲✨

One of the most compelling UFO encounters in history took place in the quiet woods of Suffolk, England. In this episode of Paranormal Lens, host Chad Thomas investigates the Rendlesham Forest Incident—often called “Britain’s Roswell.”

With co-host Jamie Widener, Chad will break down the strange lights, eyewitness accounts from military personnel, and the ongoing mystery surrounding this December 1980 event. Was it an extraterrestrial visitation, a secret military experiment, or something even stranger?

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Get ready for an episode filled with declassified documents, bizarre encounters, and the lingering question: What really happened in Rendlesham Forest? 👽🚀🔦

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Episode Transcript

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The. Good evening, and welcome to the
Paranormal Lens Podcast sponsored by Jotnik's
Paranormal. My name's Chad Thomas and that
other guy is Jamie Widener. He's always here with me on

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Tuesday nights. So how you doing tonight Jamie?
Sorry, I'm fantastic. What could be wrong?
It's Tuesday night. Here we are.
You know, let's let's do it. How about you?
What's going on? Busy, you know, still busy at
work, which is good. Happy about that.
We had an investigation. We all were back together again

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on Saturday night. We got the band back together.
That's right. And.
Not only did we get the band back together, but the the some
of the other guys who you know, we, you know, our good friends
were there as well. And it was nice to see see
Frankie and and Todd and Carmelaand all and their team and work

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with. Them friends, Yep, make some new
ones right so. We had, we had a professor from
Penn State who was coming over and talking to us.
Yeah, it was a great night. It was.
Well, you know, it, it, it struck me afterwards and you
know, like, you know, you don't always have time to reflect in
the moment, you know, but as I was driving home and even even
Sunday afternoon, you know, I was, I was at another event.

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It was a really good mix of people who have done been there
and done this, you know, and then a lot of newbies who one
fellow up in particular didn't know he was doing this tonight
and that night, you know what I mean?
But, you know, everybody was engaged and involved and, and
happening. And, you know, it's just that
that kind of that kind of moment, you know, makes it all

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worthwhile. No matter what your day look
like, whatever how retired you might be, you know, there's just
good energy in the room. And yeah, Frankie, there you
are. Thank you.
And yeah, phenomenal night is absolutely right, you know, and
and that's, that's the fun part of it, you know, like, and and
it, it makes it all worthwhile, you know, a long, long wait too.

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Like we have not been to the oursite in three months.
I think it was, you know, October was our last date.
And then, you know, December kind of got postponed and then
January didn't happen because ofthe beginning of the calendar.
February got cancelled because of something, you know, weather
probably I forget, but yeah, here we are.
And, you know, this is February.I'm been thinking January got

(03:03):
cancelled. So it's just where am I?
What month is this? You know, it's so great to get
back and then, you know, kick off in such a grand fashion with
all all those these great people.
So yeah, really cool to have everybody.
And we have Todd and Carmella here, so hope head cold gets
better head there's. Oh yeah, everybody's got one
these days, that's for sure. So yeah.

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So, yeah, so and then we, we, you know, in, in another couple
weeks, we're going to be there again one more time and looking
forward to that too, so. One time at a time.
Exactly. Here's a great comment too from
Todd and Carmela. Carmela says she wants to go be
or be behind the bar again. For those who who don't know our

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home based or we get to investigate regularly is
Boobie's Brewery in Mount Joy, PA and the original bar from the
establishment is still there andit was a gentleman's bar back in
the late 1800s, early 1900s. Women were not permitted to be
in the space and Carmela took full advantage this weekend

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getting behind the bar and and being a bartender so.
Yeah, did it. I'm.
Sure. Some a little bit.
I was going to say I haven't hadtime to review, so maybe if
there's a good capture in there of that.
But yeah, yeah, it's certainly good.
She did great, by the way. So good.
Good, glad to hear that so. Could be a side hustle going
going forward, who knows. Paranormal bartender like it?

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Full Sam. Well, Are you ready to jump into
tonight's topic? Yeah, what is this topic?
We are tonight we're going to talk about Rendlesham Forest
incident. OK, so this is this.
Well, let's start off here. I'd want you to say that the

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majority of our episodes take usback to the distant past, or at
least before our lifetimes, right?
Many, sure. So this one is a little
different. Tonight we're looking at the
days following Christmas of 1980.
So just to refresh your memory on what was happening, in
December of 1980, Iran was holding 52 American hostages.

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John Lennon was killed on December 8th.
Magnum Pi premiered on December 11th.
Ronald Reagan was preparing to become President of the United
States. Both the USSR and Great Britain
were conducting nuclear tests. The movie 9 to 5 was released,
starring Dolly Parton, Jane Fonda, and Lily Coleman.

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The Wonderful World of Disney, which we've talked about before,
had its last performance in December 30th.
Chad, I'm sorry to tell you this, but your audio's gotten a
little shaky. There.
Oh, really? I'll try to get that's better
get a little closer here. Yeah.
Come. Closer to the.
Microphone Wonderful World of Disney had its last performance
on December 30th, and the Space Shuttle STS One moved from the

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Vehicle Assembly Building to theLaunch Complex 39 A at Kennedy
Space Center. Wow.
Now, these were all pretty significant events, and you
probably remember most if not all of them, right?
Yeah, yeah, OK, sure. So I was that was that was
alive. You know, so, I mean, I know how
old I was. You were a couple of years

(06:26):
older, so. Yeah, I've been a couple of
years. So now, since we can easily
recall these things from December of 19/19/80, I'm sure
you also remember one of the most significant alleged UFO
sightings of that time, right? No.
We don't, all right. The Rendlesham Forest incident
took place between December 26thand December 28th.

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Now, I have to admit, I hadn't heard of it until I started
researching paranormal topics, but apparently this is one of
the most famous alleged UFO events in the UK and one of the
top UFO cases worldwide. It has been referred to as
Britain's Roswell, drawing comparisons to the infamous
Roswell UFO incident. So tonight we're going to

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examine the facts, theories and ongoing debate surrounding the
Rendlesham Forest incident. All right, Rendlesham Forest is
located in Suffolk, England, thesame area we talked about when
discussing the Green Children ofWoolpit a couple weeks ago.
Near this forest are two Air Force bases, RARAF Woodbridge
and RAF Bentwaters. RAFRAF Woodbridge, located just

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South of the forest, is where most of the event was
documented. This base was used by the United
States Air Force from 1952 to 1993 during the Cold War.
It was built originally in 1943 as one of three emergency
landing group bases along Britain's eastern coast.
RAF Woodbridge was a crucial site for damaged aircraft

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returning from missions over Germany.
A portion of the runway was set aside for emergency landings
that didn't require radio clearance, so if they couldn't
communicate there was still a safe place for them to land.
The site was chosen for its nearly fog free conditions and
miles of unobstructed land, though that required clearing

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millions of trees from the Rendlesham Forest.
The first aircraft to land therewas an American B17 returning
from a mission on July of 1943. So jumping ahead to December
26th, 1980, just after midnight,radar screens and airmen
detected an unidentified object vanishing into the forest.

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Eyewitnesses reported seeing a seeing strange lights descending
into the trees. Initially believing it to be a
crashed aircraft, A-Team was dispatched to investigate.
Two of these two members were John Burrows and Jim Penniston.
These two soldiers located and came upon what they described as
a luminous metal triangular shaped craft.

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The object was reported to be about 10 feet across, 8 feet
high, resting on three legs. Penniston later claimed that
when he touched the craft it waswarm to the touch and covered in
a strange hieroglyphic like markings.
Sometime after his initial debriefing, he reported
receiving a telepathic binary code message upon contacting the

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object. Now, according to one account,
the craft eventually retracted its landing gears and maneuvered
through the trees. The men followed it on foot into
a field where it suddenly shot up into the sky, casting bright
lights down upon them. The men believed they lost
consciousness and later found themselves back in the forest.
When they came to at around 4:00AM, local police arrived at the

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scene, but the only lights that they saw were from the Orford
Nest Lighthouse, located a few miles away.
With no immediate evidence of a crash, the search was suspended
until daylight on the morning ofDecember 26th.
Servicemen were sent into the forest where they discovered 3
depressions in the ground forming a triangular pattern, as

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well as broken branches and burnmarks on trees.
Local police were again called at 10:30 AM, but dismissed the
impressions as likely caused by an animal.
At this point, the investigationmore or less stalled.
There was no crash site, no birddebris, and no physical evidence
of a vehicle. Then on the afternoon of

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December 27th, Lieutenant Colonel Lieutenant Colonel
Charles Halt, the Deputy Base Commander at RAF Bentwaters,
decided to take a team of US AirForce military policemen into
Rendleson Forest to conduct a more thorough investigation.
Now this effort continued until the early hours of December
28th. To properly document their

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findings, Halt's team carried a Geiger counter, a Starlight
scope which we would call a night vision device, and a micro
tape recorder. What they allegedly saw the
night was has intrigued investigators ever since.
The investigation officially continued until January 13th,
1981, when Lieutenant Colonel Halt filed a memorandum

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summarizing the events. This report, now known as the
Halt Memo, was sent to the UK Ministry of Defence.
Now I'll post copies of it on the Paranormal Lens Podcast
Facebook page, which we'll get to later.
But here's a here's some I'm going to read the document here.
It was from the Department of the Air Force to EU KS Ministry

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of Defence. Subject unexplained lights Early
in the morning of 27 December 80, approximately O300 local
time, 2 USA United States Air Force Security Police patrolmen
saw unusual lights outside the back gate at RAF Woodbridge.
Thinking an aircraft might have crashed or been forced down,

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they called for permission to gooutside the gate to investigate.
The on duty Flight Chief responded and allowed three
patrolmen to proceed on foot. The individuals reported seeing
a strange glowing object in the forest.
The object was described as being metallic in appearance and
triangular in shape, approximately 2 to 3 meters
across the base and approximately 2 meters high.

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It illuminated the entire forestwith a white light.
The object itself had a pulsing red light on the top and bank or
banks of blue lights underneath.The object was hovering or on
legs as the patrolman approachedthe object and maneuvered
through the trees and disappeared.
So here's our first contradiction.
At this time, the animals on a nearby farm went into a frenzy.

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The object was briefly sighted approximately an hour later near
the back gate. The next day, three depressions
an inch and a half deep and seven inches in diameter were
found where the objects had beensighted on the ground.
The following night, 29 December80.
Here's another another discrepancy.
The area was checked for radiation beta Gamma readings of

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point O1, and I'm not going to try to pronounce this word, were
recorded with peak readings in the three depressions and near
the center of the triangle formed by the depressions.
A nearby tree had moderate .05 to .07 readings on the side of
the tree towards the depressions.
Later in the night, a red sunlight light that was seen

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through the trees. It moved about and pulsed.
At one point it appeared to throw off glowing particles and
then broke into five separate white objects and then
disappeared. Immediately thereafter, 3 star
like objects were noticed in thesky, 2 objects to the north and
one to the South, all of which were about 10° off the horizon.

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The objects moved rapidly in sharp angular movements and
displayed red, green and blue lights.
The objects to the north appeared to be elliptical
through an 8 to 12 power lens. They then turned to full
circles. The objects to the north
remained in the sky for an hour or more.
The objects to the South were visible for two to three hours
and beamed down a stream of light from time to time.

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Numerous individuals, including the undersigned, witnessed the
activities in paragraphs 2 and three.
It was signed Charles I Halt, Lieutenant Colonel, United
States Air Force deputy base commander.
So now this is somebody who's pretty high up on the base if
he's the deputy base commander. So now earlier I said that the
team carried a micro tape recorder with them.

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We're familiar with carrying these types of devices.
Halt wanted to document the mission and recorded what was
happening. So I was able to find part of
that recording. I downloaded it, I cleaned it up
and I pulled a few segments out.The total length of the file was
about 18 minutes. It's interesting to hear what
was going on. The recording started out with a

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team requesting a new light, allwhich would have been a portable
light tower because the one theyhad with them was not
functioning. Don't know why, but it wasn't
functioning. Now the first section I want to
play with for you is the team using a Geiger counter.
So let me get that pulled up andwe'll give it a listen.

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Here we go. We find a small blast, what
looks like a blasted or scuffed up area here.
We're getting very positive breeze.
See. Is that near the center?
Yes, it is. This is what I'm going to
assume. We've got dead center.
It's making up more go along over here now up to 7/10 our 77

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units it's called on the .5 scale.
OK, why don't we do this? Why don't we make a sweep here?
I've got my gloves on. Now let's make a sweep out
around the whole area, about 10 foot out and make a perimeter
run around it, starting right back here at the corner, back at
the same first corner where we came in.

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Let's go right back here. Don't let depend upon you
cutting the clicks. OK, let's close it as it gets.
Then I can put the light on it and sweep around it.
It would fly. Put it on the ground every once

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in a while. It looks like an abrasion on it.
OK, we'll push that in the way back.
Let's go around once I get it there.
I got the interest right over here.
It looks like an abrasion pointing into the center to it
Is it may be old though. There's some set marks or
something on it. Let's go on back around.

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This is an awkward thing to use.Isn't.
It so it's I like his comment there at the end.
So, you know, you're, you sort of, you know, it's sort of cool
to hear this because you feel like you're there.
Now there was a lot of background noise, you know, you,
there were radio cutting in and out because they were, you know,

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police, military frequencies andall that stuff.
But it's, it's just sort of interesting.
You can tell that this guy was atake charge sort of like this is
how we're going to run it. This is what you know, you're
going to listen. So I, I just, I find this sort
of evidence really interesting that to have available.
Now the records show that the technician using the Geiger

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counter was named Sergeant Monroe Nevels, who was a
chemical defence instructor in disaster preparedness and he was
not a nuclear specialist. So his unfamiliarity with the
equipment is apparent here and even more in later in the
recording. Now the other voice we heard
belongs to Bruce England who wasguiding Hull around the site.
From here they continue to explore the site, take pictures

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and samples, make sketches and and make notes.
These samples included SAP that was pointing inward towards the
center of the landing zone. They documented broken branches
and gouges that were strange scars in the trees.
They also photographed the impressions in the soil as well
as the Geiger counter readings. I would say they had quite a bit

(18:24):
of evidence. So the next three clips I'm
going to play are from a little bit later in the evening and
it's the first one starts when somebody spots something in the
sky. So we'll, we'll, we'll play
through them and I'll pause between each one and we can talk
a little bit. Yeah.

(18:46):
You're having a pigmentation. You just saw a light.
Where? Where?
Right at this position here. Straight ahead.
In between the. There it is again.
Watch. Straight ahead off my flash.
Right there. There it is.
Hey, I see it too. What is it?
We don't know, Sir. Can I get some?
Yeah, It's a strange small red light.

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Looks beyond maybe 1/4 to half mile, maybe further out.
When I switch off, the light is gone now.
It was approximately 120° through the site.
Is it back again? Yes, Sir.
Or that's the flashlight set. Let's go back to the edge of the
pairing so I can get a better look at it.
See if you can get the star scope on it.
The light's still there, and allthe binary animals have gotten

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quiet now. Yeah, we're heading about 100
and 10120° from the sight. I'm through to the Clary now.
Still getting reading on the meter, about two clicks.
Meter count three to four clicksgetting stronger.
So they, you know, they've definitely spotted something,

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don't know what it is, you know,but they continue continue
following it and watching it. We're going to jump to this next
clip. There's no no doubt about it.
Or some type of strange flashing.
Rd. light ahead. Yellow.
I saw yellow tension too. Weird.
It it appears that you may be moving a little bit this way.
It's it's part of the HASPAT yellow.

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It's coming this way. It is definitely coming this
way. Pieces of it are shooting off.
There is no doubt about it. This is weird.
To the left. Yeah, definitely.
One other two, two bikes, 21 light to the front, one light to
the left. Keep flashlights off.
There's something very, very strange.
Get the headset on. See if it gets any stronger.

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OK, give us give us some way to hesitation.
Just sit on a better reading, too.
It's on a better reading. OK.
Still has been removed. OK, that's what we're falling
off it again. It just moved to the right.
Yeah, right to the right. Strange, strange Jamie.
It's apparently. It's strange.
Yes, really. Noted.

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That and weird, but it's again you.
You can tell. About it anyway, yeah.
But you can tell he's into like there's there is something
going. On there is something going on.
Yeah, absolutely. I mean that's that's genuine and
it's kind of like, I don't know,I won't say awestruck, but
there's just like that that moment when you realize that
this is happening and you're in the moment of it.

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You're self aware. I think he he gets that it's
really cool. So I've got one more clip and
then we'll we'll continue with the story.
So here's the last one. 2 foot and four.
We're at the far side of the farmer's second farmer's field
and made sighting again about 110°.
This looks like it's clear afterthe coast.

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It's right on the horizon. Moves about a bit and flashes
from time to time. Still steady or encounter.
Also after negative readings in the seller field, we're picking
up the slight rings. Four or five clicks now on the
meter 305 we see strange stroke like flashes to the OR the

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sporadic, but there's definitelysomething, some kind of
phenomenal 305 at about 10° horizon directly north we've got
2 strange objects, Half Moon shaped, dancing about with
colored lights on them, but justto be about 5 to 10 miles out,
maybe less. The half moons now turn into

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full circles. There's all those eclipse or
something there for a minute or 2/03/15.
Now we've got an object about 10° directly South, 10° off the
horizon. And once the north are moving
once moving away from us, movingout fast.
There's one on the right side away too.

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Yeah, we're both heading north. OK, here, here he comes from the
South. He's coming toward us now.
Now we're observing what appearsto be a beam coming down to the
ground. I don't know. 330 is 03/30 and
the objects are still in the sky, although the one to the
side looks like it's lose a little bit of altitude.

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We're turning around and headingback toward the the base.
An object to the side. An object to the side is still
beaming down. Lights to the ground. 400 hours.
One object still over and over Woodbridge base at about 5 to
10° off the horizon. Still moving.
Erratic and similar lights and beaming down earlier.

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So I don't know, Jamie, what do you think of that evidence?
Wow. Well, I mean, there's it, it's
clear something's going on there, you know, and, and I
think the, the, the movement of this item, this object, whatever
it is, or these objects clicks or one eventually there's more
than one, you know, it, it, it seems to have kept, at least by
his description, in the same, the same height, the altitude,

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you know, the five to 10° off horizon so that you know, it's,
it's staying at the same level. It's just moving North and
South. So you know that that's a couple
things come to mind. One, the most important one
perhaps is to it's, it's, it's agrid pattern, it's searching.
And perhaps whatever this beam is that he spoke of as a
Searchlight or something. So maybe the, the initial craft,

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you know, was a crash or a failure of some kind and it
managed to, you know, get enoughup to get away from the the 1st
wave of folks who found it. And then whatever it's parent
is, is looking for it. So I know it's speculating a
lot. Obviously it wasn't there, but
you know, descripting, you know,the hearing this really helps
paint the picture of what they experienced, you know, to

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similar words. Right.
So it's really interesting. Yeah.
I, I mean, I, I think it's pretty compelling.
Now on top of that, there were multiple witnesses from both RAF
bases as well as civilians, OK. These, I mean, this is not a,
this is not an unpopulated area.Right.
There's farms, there's like it, it's, it's woods, but there's

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there's farms and things like that.
It's obviously more populated now than it was then.
But but yeah, it's definitely populated then.
So these witnesses came forward,they provided testimony, they
corroborated each other's stories along so that the memo,
the evidence collected from the scene, the tapes, all that.

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Do you think the British Ministry of Defense took up an
investigation? No Of.
Course not. Nope.
Nope, they downplayed the entireincident.
They rationalized what happened as a misidentification of Bright
Stars satellites or the Orford Nest Lighthouse.
Now, one source says that Holt'smemo didn't call for or suggest

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that further action be taken, sono one did.
However, as documents have been declassified over the years, it
is believed that investigations and other actions took place
behind closed doors. Over the past 45 years, at least
two former defense staffers havestated that things were not
handled properly. Lord Hill Norton, a former chief

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of the Defense staff and member of the House of Lords, publicly
criticized the Military of Defense's handling of the
Rendlesham incident and called for a more thorough
investigation into the possibility of extraterrestrial
involvement. Nick Pope, a former Ministry of
Defense official tasked with investigating UFO reports, spoke

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extensively about the Rendleshamincident and advocated for
greater transparency regarding regarding government
investigations into UFO phenomena.
So even with documents being released and people being
interviewed, we are no closer toknowing about the truth than we
were in 1980. In June of 2010, Halt wrote,

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signed, and had notarized and affidavited recounting what he
remembered from the event. However, researchers have
discounted this affidavit because it contradicts what he
wrote at the time of the event and what he recorded during his
investigation. It is understandable that after
30 years, his memory may have been different than what he saw
initially. Sure.

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So what are the theories that are out there?
I remember what I did 30 minutesago.
I know. So what are the theories out
there? 1st and most obviously, the
theory is that they experienced an extraterrestrial visitation.
This would undoubtedly place theevent in the realm of
paranormal. Another theory suggests it was
some sort of classified militaryexperiment.

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However this seems highly unlikely.
At the time the two bases were bordering the forest.
The two bases bordering the forest were operated by the US
Air Force. So if they know, they would know
any testing that they would havedone.
And this was during the Cold War.
The British would not have conducted tests in that area
with AUS military presence, especially on bases prepared to

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defend against nuclear aggression.
Pretty. You know why?
Why would you mess around there?Yeah.
Another theory by forest worker Vince Thurkettle has been has
been put out there. He was chopping wood in
Rendlesham Forest in late December of 1980 when a car

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pulled up. Two men dressed in suits and
appearing to be around 30 years old approached him and asked him
if they could ask him some questions.
He said they asked him about 20 questions, mainly whether he'd
been out on the night of December 26th, 28th, and if he
had seen anything. Assuming they were journalists,
He checked newspapers over the next few days, expecting to see

(28:30):
a story, yet nothing appeared. It wasn't until three years
later that a front page article in the News of the World read
UFO lands in Suffolk, and that'sofficial.
This article was based on the HALT memo, which had finally
been released by the US government.
But from this timeline, it seemsunlikely that these two men were

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reporters. According to Thurkettle, the UK
authorities claimed that they didn't learn about the incident
until they received Halt's memo two weeks later.
But who were the two men who spoke with a proper?
British accent. You mentioned they were wearing
suits, were they potentially black suits?

(29:12):
I was going to say, did men in black come?
Well, yeah, it's been in the back of my mind the whole time,
like, you know, and I'm, I'm probably jumping ahead here and
stop me if I am. No, no gut, yeah.
But yeah, the the idea of, you know, the, the I'm not called a
cover up, but you know, the distinct, the non
acknowledgement, the non acknowledgement of, you know,
the incident, you know, kind of takes me to two things.

(29:35):
One is obviously a cover up. You know, first thing, that's
the cynic part of it. But also, you know, this is a,
this is an American controlled base or bases.
And you know, we just came out of the 70s where Project Blue
Book was operational and, and winding down at that point.
So in, in that being part of theAir Force, that's, that's, you
know, the standard operation operating procedure would be to

(29:55):
deny and investigate your own. So, you know, and we found that
to be true in the least in lot of the released records from
that era. So I don't, I don't see that
being unusual, you know, and, and obviously too, I, I think
this is probably the back end ofit.
But you know, once, once the acknowledgement of something

(30:15):
extraterrestrial occurs when, you know, we've come to that
point now with what's been released in the last two or
three years via the government here now, you know, with like
the Tic Tac video and so forth. But you know, that the, the fear
was mass hysteria, you know, or a, you know, a different, a
differential in the, in the, youknow, the populace that would,

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would occur. And you know, who knows what,
But it's, it, it is always deemed to be in our best
interest that we don't know. And I, I, whether that's true or
not, it's, you know, that's the people who, you know, we, we
elect to lead have made decisions there.
So why they've changed that, I don't know.
And I'm happy that they finally come, you know, say, hey, look,

(30:58):
there is stuff going on. We just don't know what it is.
And that's honestly is the best policy, right?
I mean, that's, that's really why I think we're all mature
enough we can handle that. Right, so let's jump back to
Thurkettle. So after his strange visit, he
began hearing rumors of the strange craft.
You know, things around town aregoing to, you know, people are
going to talk. So he was curious, and he asked

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his supervisor in the first forestry department to take him
to the site, expecting to see evidence of a UFO landing.
He instead was disappointed. Here's what he had to say.
It was nothing. It was an absolutely normal
glade in the forest with three rabbit scrapes, and they're all
carefully marked. That happened to be roughly in a

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triangle, he says. I mean, there was a ring of
sticks around it marking it. And I think fair dues to the
Americans, if they'd been out atnight and saw light and came out
back in the daytime looking for something, I could totally
understand why they said this must be it, he continued.
It was a completely natural glade.
And they've said things like, but there were broken branches,

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while the forest is full of broken branches.
They saw burn marks in the trees.
They said obvious. Obviously that was heat reading
out from the spacecraft and it would burnt these trees, but it
wasn't. It was one of the Rangers, Bill
Briggs, with an axe. Thurkettle also noted that this
was the only place in the forestwhere Orford Nest Lighthouse is
visible. It's weird because you've got a

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slightly sloping patch of Rendlesham Forest, then probably
a couple miles, then then Gedgrave Hill, and there was a
gap in the trees on Gedgrave Hill, then 8 miles or whatever
to the Orford Lighthouse. Orford Nest Lighthouse.
UFUFO believers have talked to the lighthouse keepers who said
it never beamed towards the land.

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And I think rubbish. I've stood in the beam of the
lighthouse and I've looked at itand the forest.
He doesn't discount that something strange may have
happened but he doesn't believe it was a UFO.
So what do we know at this? I'm gonna, I'm gonna say this
chat I I'd like to have a pint with that chap.
He sounds like. He sounds like yeah.

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So. So what do we know?
The incident has sparked numerous conspiracy theories
including government cover ups, advanced technologies and
extraterrestrial contact. It has also led to scientific
research. Even today, evidence and
testimonies are being re examined to see if anything new
can be uncovered. And of course, there is UFO

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tourism. The site has become a pilgrimage
destination for UFO enthusiast, featuring a dedicated UFO trail
through the forest, a full size sculpture representing what some
believed to was seen that night.Something happened in those
woods in 1980. Will we ever know exactly what
it was? Probably not.

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This is one of those stories that deserves continued
investigation, ensuring due diligence and research and
transparency. It was much easier in 1980 to
sweep something under the rug than it is today.
If this had happened today, there would be countless phone
pictures, videos, and social media posts documenting every
detail. So does that mean we're no
longer being visited? Or are we being visited and

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simply unaware because whatever or whoever is visiting us is
more sophisticated than we are? That's hard to say.
I have my ideas, Jamie, but that's a story for another
night. So while you Mull this over and
get your thoughts together, I'm going to cite some of my
sources, www.onthisday.com, UFO,Spence, UFO Pensacola Beach,

(34:40):
Rendlesham Forest Incident, David Doctor, David
clark.blogspot.com, Vocal Media History, the Rendlesham Forest
Incident, bbc.com News, The UFO database.
And the one that's really great is the ianridpath.com.

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He's got a whole website dedicated to this, so definitely
worth checking some of those outif you're interested.
So that's my story. What do you think?
Well, just just to follow on thelast part of that, you know,
with has has anything happened? So actually it was a question

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here too. I'm sorry, from Heather.
So Heather's asked, has anythingever been seen since the
incident? And I, you know, I, I have a
thought and and it's kind of silly.
Maybe I meant, I mean this to belight hearted, but you know,
what we were doing in 1980 and even early 1981 is not what
we're doing now. We would go outside to look up.

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Now we're going outside to look down at the screen.
We're just getting away from thepeople in the house to do it.
So, you know, the world has changed and, and, and, you know,
if, if we're not seeing as many things as simply because we're
not looking up as much as we used to.
True. And I, you know, that's, that's
a sad thing to come to. I said, you know, statement to
make because that's the world weare now in.

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But you know, I, I will tell youthis, I walk my dog every night
and then, you know, this time ofyear it's certainly dark and
most, you know, even in the summer, it's later in the
evening, it's getting toward twilight and I walk around
looking up more than I do down sometimes, you know, to make
sure where we're going. So, you know, it's just that's,
that's me and my age, you know, and I'm of this generation where
I, you know, I, I was alive during this incident.

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So I'm older, as you pointed outearlier.
Thank you again. But you know it.
It's just we don't do this stuffanymore, you know, and it means
not in the masses that we used to before.
Right. And I, I do the same thing when
I, when I go, you know, I take the dog for a walk.
I do go and I look at the stars and the nights that it's clear.
It is just he's like I, I want to disappear into it, you know,

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and we don't we don't have nice clear skies like I'm sure they
do in this area. So have.
Things talked about that before too, like, you know, here in the
East Coast of the US, you know, we're densely populated.
So we have a ton of night, you know, night sky pollution with
all of our lights. And, and you really have to get
to the Midwest and, and the Southwest and, and, and the

(37:12):
northwest even, you know, here to, to get to places where all
of a sudden you realize how manystars there really are.
We see a lot. But, you know, and I've, I've
lived in the southwest and I can, I've told you this already
here, you know, on a previous episode, you know, the sky is
just radiant, right, Amazing, you know, and you just can't see
it when there's so many lights on.
You know, you're absolutely right being there.
Then, you know, there's, there'sjust open space because of the

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Air Force bases alone and the forestry and so forth.
So I'm sure there was a much clearer sky and it gives the
opportunity to see this kind of stuff.
You know, I mean, obviously thisis ground level to begin with,
but the the recordings, you know, are clearly seeing
something moving through the skythat you might have lost
otherwise. One one thing too.

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And and this this wasn't noted per SE.
Maybe I missed it early on if you did, but you know, we're
we're talking about at one pointthere was something on radar
that that it was low and that's this led to the team to go back
out to the wood or go out to thewoods in the first place.
But the incident as it's being reported of seeing, you know, a
5 to 10° off horizon NS movement.

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Is that what radar anywhere because there any validation
from equipment. I don't.
I don't. Know that that there is and one
of the one of the references I saw of questioned radar readings
because the radar that was beingused at these bases was looking
for ICB Ms. coming over the horizon.
So they were, they weren't looking near the bases, they

(38:41):
were looking further out. So it's hard to say.
And to answer Heather's questionabout whether things are still
being seen, there were things that were inferred that there
may be activities still happening here, but nothing has
been specifically said that thiswas cited then or, you know, so

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I get I I don't have a good answer to that one.
But there's there were definitely inferences to this
area still as having happen. Things happen, yeah.
So and who knows, you know, I mean, that this is the, you
know, the kind of the deal with,you know, rural spaces in the
world, you know, like that's where things could be happening
because there aren't us there around, you know, the the

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Southwest and the West here in the US, the same story, you
know, like we come across cattlemutilations and things like
that, like things that don't make sense that a predator would
do. So it's believed that it has to
be an alien. And you know, it's, you know,
you know, you know, acres and acres and acres of ranch land
there where there's nobody. So, you know, it would be a
plausible thing if you want to come and go and not be seen, you

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know, that's where you go to. And this, this part of the UK,
at least at the time, fit the bill.
It might still for that matter, I'm not sure.
But you know, it's, it seems like we're obviously we've,
we've all expanded, you know, somaybe not so much anymore.
But if it was a place that people or people well or call
people, but you know, something came to that place, then

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location when I come back to it just to start with.
I can see that. So.
It's like your favorite vacationspot, right?
You know, you keep going back toit.
Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, I didn't see the
word road trip, but this, you know, we, we could hit, we could
hit 2 here like within a couple hours of each other, so.
It's true. It's true.
Suffolk County is fairly big from what I'm gathering now, but

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we'll see. One thing that I found
interesting is with Roswell thatwe we discovered some sort of
body that we, it's believed we discovered some sort of there's,
there's the. Call for the road stargazing
road trip to birds so. Thanks.
We Roswell, we, we found a beingof some sort, if I remember

(40:52):
correctly well. That's that's the story at
least, yes. Here there was not we we don't
even have a ship that. Right.
Well, there's actually allegedly, I won't keep saying
allegedly throughout all this, Iguess, but allegedly there's a
craft and a body found at Roswell, right?
But in this one, the guy did touch the, you know, he
physically touched whatever it was.

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So that's just, you know. I'm going to ask you this,
buddy, If you came out into the woods, you know, in the middle
of the night, you came across a flying saucer flag, a better way
of calling it. Would you touch it?
Probably I'm that guy I. Would too.

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I mean, we know if David was there, he would touch it.
If not, he's gonna. Say he would try to climb in,
but yeah, I think I, I think I would because I, I just would
want validation that it's actually there and not an.
Hallucination. There's two kinds of people in
the world, right? There's the Oh yeah, there's the
Oh no, he's got cranky Frankie Frankie's vote is counted.

(41:59):
Touch it with exclamation pointsand capitals.
Absolutely. So, so yeah, I I would say yes,
so and and Bert too. Bert as well.
Yep, I would too. So.
All right, Jamie, so we know youwould touch it, but what do you
think did this paranormal? You know, I just realized

(42:19):
something, you know, and I, I guess, I guess I, you alluded to
this last week that this was nota normal paranormal thing for
us. You know, that's, that's kind of
been the focus of the show all along.
What we're up to. And if I'm not mistaken, this is
our first episode on UFOs or UFOencounters.
So, and I've, I've kind of shield away just because there,

(42:42):
you know, I don't know that it would be a paranormal or not
episode. And, and I'm going to be clear,
to be honest, in November, I think it is very close to
November anyway, we're going to do an episode on Travis Walton,
who is more famously known for the fire in the sky and, and an
alien abduction in Arizona back in 1974.

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This is a or maybe 1975. This is the 50th anniversary.
It's right at that point of his abduction.
He's still with us. He's still alive.
You know, so I did it on purposearound that anniversary
together, our schedule that far out.
But, you know, I've kind of beena little leery because I don't
know that we can say paranormal or not.
I can say, I think we can say it's definitely a situation, you

(43:27):
know, like something happened here.
But but it's not normal. It's not, and therefore it has
to be. I know, I know.
That's our definition. So yes.
I think we can classify it as paranormal.
I'll, I'll lean into that too. I, I do.
And I, I think there's enough atleast, if not factual evidence,
compelling evidence from the recording alone and the other
documentation to say that the people who investigated the site

(43:50):
and, and the aftermath of that evening and through the next two
weeks probably, you know, while the investigation was open, they
found stuff that was enough to say something was going on
there. And this team was a military
police investigation team like this.
I believe that. Right away, like they were
talking in terms of, you know, they were talking in the sense
of like the scientific method ofinvestigating it.

(44:10):
They weren't just going out in the woods and look at that, Look
at that. They were documenting what they
saw. They were accounting for it, you
know, there was, there was intent and purpose for their
what their work and they had equipment, you know, that would
help validate them, right? I think it's fantastic.
They may not have had a guy to. Run, Walk in the woods, right?
Yeah, they may not have had a guy who knew how to run the
equipment, but they had the equipment.

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Well, we know people don't know how to run.
Equipment too, so go figure, right, but the the fact that
they had it and they were they were doing their best effort to
it, intentionally use it and andyou know, document what they
were finding with it. You know that that part is
that's, that's real to me. It wasn't.
It's not an anecdotal story at this point because of that.

(44:52):
And otherwise it would be if it was you and I walking in the
woods one night. And by the way, did did I hear
correctly there was a a guy out chopping wood in the night?
No, no, no, no. He was chopping wood during like
the next day, like a couple dayslater and the.
People in suits showed up OK yeah, yeah.
The reason the reason I say thatI ask that is there is a we went

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back to Oh my gosh, Hoya Bakyu forest, another forest episode,
right or incident. There was tales of a gentleman
who was who saw something one night because it was like 3 in
the morning and he was out chopping wood.
And I'm like, dude, that's not the kind of wood you're supposed
to be sawing, you know, to go tosleep.

(45:33):
So why we were out there at 3:00in the morning somewhere in the
woods go cutting down lumber. I had no idea, so I just thought
maybe, maybe that's a thing in Europe.
I don't know. Nope, Nope, Nope.
So, but anyway, so yeah, I, I would tend to agree.
I think there, there's this was something happened here and I, I

(45:55):
believe that, you know, and I, Ilike, I like your interpretation
of it that, you know, towards the middle of the episode there
where something was lost and then there was something looking
for it. That's, that's, you know, I
hadn't gone down that, that route, but it makes sense to me
now. But she said that so.
Either that they were beaming upcows, I don't know, whatever.

(46:19):
Whatever they were doing, it was.
Something so but yeah, so I, I actually, this was fun to
investigate there. There's there's a lot of
information out there and I justscratch, I'm sure I just
scratched the surface. I mean, it's 40 years ago and
like some people have been investigating and following up
on it and and keeping going withit ever since, so.

(46:43):
That's that's kind of the thing.And that's, that is what puts it
to the paranormal. You know, we have, we have a
lot, a lot of stuff around us, you know, and, and history of
it. And I, I, I think you
highlighted that, you know, on social media posts like we're
not, not investigating goes for investigating history or
something to that fact of someone else's comment, you

(47:05):
know, and that is exactly it. This is history and there's,
there's a part of it that needs to be preserved and, you know,
and, and respected and, and I think that's what we try to do
in the field. I hope we're all trying to do
that is, you know, but we're also trying to understand and
interpret it. And because there are many ways
to interpret this episode or this instant instance, then that

(47:28):
means it will probably never get, will never stop until
something is found. And and you know, I'm going to
go, I'm going to go X-Files here.
But the truth is out there. Right, I wanted to throw that in
here so bad, but I didn't. Well, it's, it's always, it's
always the point, right? I mean, the truth, there is
truth in all of this. And whether or not anything's

(47:51):
been redacted or covered up or what not, you know, I, I think,
you know, we, we are through thecourse of time, finding things
become available to us. And it's just a matter of
digging deep enough, you know, and I know you mentioned 30
years, you know, of a, of a remembrance, you know, the story
changed and, and that's, that istrue, you know, because now it's

(48:12):
a memory of a memory of a memoryat least a long ago.
But going back to the original documentation, I mean, that that
was in the moment. That's the real estate it can
get. And that's really what I think
we need to look. And I, I, I don't trust my
memory of 30. Something happened 30 years ago.
I can tell you that. Yeah, 30 minutes ago it was a
different story too. But so I, I don't think stuff

(48:34):
like this ever should go away. Right.
All right. Well, yeah.
Bird has a, a comment, but did anyone build a Mashed potato
mountain? I believe that's a third closing
comes with third kind reference if I'm not mistaken, The Devil's
Tower. OK, I'm going to step back to,

(48:56):
you know, we're talking about whether you're going to touch it
or not, you know, Frankie commented.
Maybe it's like like in a 9 Voltbattery.
It's a shocking experience. Who hasn't done?
That so So yeah, like I said, this was a lot of fun.
Probably could have gone two hours with the information

(49:17):
that's out there easily, but I don't want to do that to
everybody because there's a lot going on so.
Well, you know, it's not to say that we couldn't come back at
some point, should more information or some something
change to the dynamic of, of this situation, you know, or if
there's someone out there in, inthe world who's listening and

(49:38):
has some more information or notes, a part of the story that
we perhaps didn't share, feel free to let us know.
Drop us a line, you know, we'll follow up.
And that's, that's the coolness of being connected to the world
that we are now as well. This was a this was an incident
in England, you know, in the UK back in the day that probably
didn't get a whole lot of press elsewise in the world, you know,

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until more, more digital media started becoming prevalent.
This is pre Internet. So, you know, it wasn't blowing
up unless it was on the front page of a paper that someone
happened to see. And I know it took what, three
years for it to make the paper. So Yep, exactly.
It's it's that's another surprise for how long this has
lasted, because it really could have just slid away, not

(50:21):
necessarily been covered up. It just slipped away, right out
of sight, out of mind. You're you're exactly right.
So, So what do you think Jamie can move, move on or do you have
any, any more thoughts on this? I have one more comment here

(50:41):
from Heather to share. It says when it comes to
paranormal investigating for spirits I can't get enough of
it. But for some reason when it
comes to UFOs it's like I just don't want to know.
I'm not afraid of ghosts, but aliens freak me out.
Have you seen the Heather by chance?

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OK, so we have, we have a, we have a mutual friend, Chad,
who's very freaked out by ET. Yeah, yes, we do, you know, and
and it's always great to find those gifts that are related to
ET for birthday and Christmas gifts, so.
And the the birthday is coming up, Jamie, so it's.
Coming up, it's very, very soon.So since we we've touched on
this a little bit, right? Right around the end of the last

(51:26):
year, beginning of this year, there was a lot of talk in some
circles of people who communicate with
extraterrestrials. If you believe this, that that
extraterrestrials are here and they've been waiting for the

(51:49):
right time to reveal themselves and that that time is coming
close and that some of and and not everybody will be able to
see them. It depends what like what
depends on a lot of things. Some people will see it's just
like spirits. Some people will see them, some
people won't. But the but Pensacola is where

(52:15):
supposedly this is may happen first because they're I don't.
Again, it's if you believe it ornot, if you believe that people
communicate with them. It's some things I've I've
followed for a little while. It's sort of interesting.
I don't know that I put much weight into it, but it's sort of
interesting. So we'll see.
Sure. So I mean, I hope I'm one of the

(52:36):
people who can see them. Yeah, exactly.
So a couple things come to mind.You know, like the one thing I,
and this is, this is fiction, pure fiction, what I'm about to
say. But I remember watching the, the
movie Signs many, many, many years ago and it was, you know,
it's a suspenseful film and it'sbased around the aliens, or at
least the prevalence of belief that aliens have come to Earth.

(52:59):
And you know, there's so much mystery around what's really
going on. But at one point there's a scene
where family is in their house looking out the window and an
alien just kind of just casuallywalks down the street in a, in a
quick view between like 2 hedges, you know, and, and
honestly, I went, whoa, you know, that was weird.
But, you know, my thought is, well, that's, that's my, I
remember thinking as clearly that's going to happen someday.

(53:22):
It's, it's probably going to happen anyway, you know, and,
and in another, you know, distraction of that, you know,
into the fantasy world. But, you know, if I'm not
mistaken, the, the date in Star Trek lore where we make first
contact has, has come and gone, or it's, or at least it's very
close. If it hasn't.
And someone's, someone's going to correct me and I'm good for
that. You know, we're in that window.

(53:44):
So, you know, hey, why not? You know, let's, let's, let's
have it happen. I know this believe that
they're, they've made contact orthey're, they're here.
Even I, I don't, you know, and it's the world, the Galaxy in
this, you know, all of space is too big for us to be the only
ones it really is. And, you know, as we are able to
get out and we're sending craft around, you know, and, and, and

(54:07):
we have things passing out of our, our Galaxy now Voyager is
leaving, I believe, if not have left already.
You know, it's now in place thatwe, we can't even see it anymore
so far away, right, Still sending signals, you know, so we
know it's working. But you know, if we can do this,
why can't someone else? Or something else too?
Right, exactly. So only time will tell because

(54:30):
you know, the truth is out there, Jamie.
Is out there. So so.
All right, well, yeah, that great, great topic.
Thanks so much. You know, I knew nothing of it
going into it, and now I I feel like I know everything.
So you did a fantastic job. Well, there and there, there are
movies about the like the, you know, there are definitely

(54:52):
movies, things like that. I didn't even touch on that.
There's definitely movies and stuff like that.
So, all right, well, Heather, first of us commenting that the
first movie you saw in the movietheater was ET.
So yeah, I can understand being a little freaked out there.
And then then talking about science, that movie freaked me
out. Science is how I fear it all

(55:12):
happening. I'm going to fill up cups of
water and keep them around my bed tonight.
Don't forget to make a tinfoil hat as well while you're at it,
so you'll be fine. So all right, well, let's
transition into what's coming up.
Well, that's the wrong side. That's that is the wrong side.

(55:33):
See, you did it to me again. Here we go.
I'm sorry. All right, well, next week we're
going to talk about next week. First of all is, is March 4th,
which is Mardi Gras or Fat Tuesday as you wish to call it.
So we're going to talk about NewOrleans, which is allegedly
America's most haunted city. I'd love to have a competition
to see which one really is. Like there's some criteria we

(55:55):
could put together that would befantastic.
That's a great, that's a competition reality show I'd
like to see versus all the otherstuff.
So, and as we've been joking allalong, coming up on March 11th,
Chad's going to jump into Leap Castle, which is Ireland's most
haunted castle. I'm not going to let that one
go. I'm going to keep that.
After that, on the 18th, I'm going to tackle the subject of

(56:17):
Tommy Knockers. And then March 25th, Chad is
going to take on the Dibic box. April first, April Fool's Day,
I'm going to tackle paranormal hoaxes in the world.
And this one's the first one to make it onto our schedule for
you guys to see. But on April 8th, we were going
to take the Trans Allegheny Lunatic Lunatic Asylum history

(56:40):
in advance of our visit there onApril 10th.
So we're going to hit the we're going to finish the podcast,
pack up and get ready to go and then come back and I think the
the following week on the 14th or whatever it is 15th we'll do
we'll do a quick review of what we what we encountered there.
So. Would you say that's a a road

(57:01):
trip, Jamie? It is a road trip, Sir.
It is. It's a road trip with some of my
favorite people. So I'm really looking forward to
this one. It is so closely can taste it at
this point. So yes, we're getting there.
All right. So we, you know, we talked
earlier about, I talked earlier about us having a home base at
Boobies Brewery in Mount Joy, PAhere in the US, there are

(57:23):
options to do paranormal investigations with us.
Our team at Jack Next Paranormal, our next event is
going to be on March 22nd. That's a public event.
You mentioned April 10th, we're heading out to Tala Trans
Allegheny Lunatic Asylum. Then we're back for regular
shows on April 26th and on May 17th we have a special event.
We're going to do a Peri unity event with a team of land and

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legend paranormal friends of ours and, and just good, good
people get out there and we'll get to share Stacey as a medium,
very well known. We're all respected in the field
and we're looking forward to working with her.
I've heard of I know her by yourreputation, but not by by
encounter. But if anything is true, any,

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even half of what I hear is true, it's gonna be a great
night. I've I've met her a couple
times. She's a wonderful person of
woman to talk to and I haven't, I haven't met her husband, but
I'm looking or I haven't talked to her husband.
I'm looking forward to that, which we're we're going to get
to do here before we see her because.
We're yeah, we'll have some timehere as well, right.
We'll get to do a little pre andinvestigation conversation so
it's going to be great. Tickets are available for these

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events and and other ones in thefuture.
There's a full year's worth of events on the The Boobies
brewery.com/entertainmentpage and that takes you right over to
their saver stub site so you canget those tickets in advance.
Do not wait, they go quickly. Heather's Heather's hoping that
we'll see ghosts to Tala, but noaliens.
But we can't make any promises. No, no promises there, but but

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you're maybe both. Well, that's not wrong, right?
We'll take that. All right.
And then here's another tab for the Peri Unity event coming up
with Stacy and Gary from Land and Legend.
Again, that's coming up on May 17th.
Get your tickets now, all right?And then you can, if you don't

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want to do a private or personalor, yeah, personal, my gosh, a
public investigation. See, here's the thing.
I can remember when I did 30 minutes ago.
I can remember when I said 30 seconds ago, holy cow.
Gosh. So if you don't want to do a
public investigation, you can book private investigations for
yourself or your team if you're part of one at the brewery

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instead. And it's a very easy process.
Just reach out to Melissa Keller, our team founder at
[e-mail] she will give you available
dates and rates and all the fun stuff.
And you know, there is an opportunity we talk about all
the time to stay literally rightinside the building.

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The third floor of the the brewery building is a hotel and
there is also a Airbnb right across the street, all owned by
the brewery. And Chad, why would you do that?
Because Mount Joy is more fun when you sleep over.
Yes, it is very good. I saw you look at your note
there on that one. I cheated but that's.

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Yeah, I don't blame it. It's OK.
You got it. You nailed it.
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We self produce. If it's not obvious by now, we
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If there's a topic you'd like usto cover, a little bit of time
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But yeah, we can. We can bump stuff anyway we need
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So happy to you might even be a guest if it's your topic.
So I'm happy to bring you on. And Jamie, I'm thinking with the

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that people who are looking at the only the are listening to
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able to see some of the stuff that we show.
It may be a good place to put that stuff.
Absolutely. That's exactly a great point for

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it. And no better use well, that,
you know, social media. So yeah.
Yeah, another way to connect, ofcourse, too.
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Absolutely. We're here.
We're we're all friends here. All right, Sir, I think I

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covered it. I don't think what Sarah did
anyway I. Think that's it?
All right, So again, great topic.
Great, great work through this. Thanks for entering the audio.
It was fantastic. Thanks for cleaning it up as
well. I'm sure you know a a recorder
from 1980 is not the quality we would expect to get from 1:00
today It it. It was definitely interesting
because there were places where you could tell he had used the

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recorder for something else. Because there was there was
there was a point where the audio from this dropped out and
his daughter was playing piano in the back.
Like like it just hadn't recorded.
There it was. It was great so.
This is the era of recording over VHS tapes too.
Yep, exactly. So yeah.

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You know, you had something you you thought you recorded your,
your episode of Magnum Pi perhaps back then, you know, and
then you found out that you knowsomething else was recorded over
it, or at least part of it. And you're like, Dang it, so.
Yep, Yep. And different speeds you had,
you know, you, you recorded yourfirst one in the two hour mode
and then your next one was in six hour mode.
Like, yeah. Man, those were the days.

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Have we ever made it through so well?
I was thinking too that this might have been a tape recording
recorder as well. So that's, that's one of the
things from the era as well that, you know, strikes me like,
oh gosh, because we still use those 10 or 15 years ago, even
before through digital. So so oh.
My times have changed for all the feedback I have.

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So. Here we are doing this right.
Yeah, exactly. So, well, that's all I got
Jamie. So I think as, as always, thank
you everybody for hanging out with us for an hour.
We appreciate it. We, we really, it really means a
lot for to us that you, you spend the time with us and we

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look forward to this every week.I know I do so.
Absolutely. We appreciate everybody and
thanks again. We'll see you next week for
conversation around New Orleans,America's most haunted city.
All right. Sounds good.
Good night everybody.