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Speaker 1 (00:19):
One, two, three, four , please.
It did not seem suitable.
Over there you're listening tothe pardon, this wretched
podcast where jesus christ man,what the fuck are we gonna do?
What are we gonna do?
It's already out of control.
He's trump's not even in thewhite house yet.
Uh, the headlines are insanelybonkers.
Every single day it's some newridiculous absurdity revealed
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into the public about how trumpis either insane or is a liar,
or is a criminal or is a thief.
It's out of control.
I don't know how to stop it.
I don't even think most of usare going to survive the next
four years, if he even leavesoffice in the next four years.
But I guess, fingers crossed,we can hope that he dies soon.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I seriously doubt in our lifetime we're going to see
this corrected.
It's going to be 80 years downthe road and then when they go
to the history book they're likewhat happened to america, and
then they go back and you know,yeah, it's not going to be ideal
?
Speaker 1 (01:15):
no, and you know.
So, this idea of like, how longwill it take to undo the damage
of a trump administration?
Well, we, we had four years,one of the best, most productive
presidents at least in terms oftheir first terms that we've
ever had, and he didn't undohalf the damage that Trump
caused this country, and hisinability to fix it fast enough
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is part of the reason why Trumpgot reelected to a second term,
even though he is now currentlythat.
And racism?
Well, racism is always bakedinto United States, that's true.
Like that is.
That has been a theme since thefounding of the country.
It just, I mean, I think thatgoes without saying.
Or, you know, maybe people needa history lesson to have, like
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some kind of refresher courseabout how racism was largely the
determining factor in almostevery presidential election
since the founding of thecountry.
But that's neither here northere.
We don't have time to do all ofthat.
We'll save that for 2000,nebuary, should we ever survive
the incoming apocalypse.
(02:21):
But yeah, in case you missed it,so Trump is now officially a
convicted felon.
Took long enough.
Judge Merchan finally sentencedTrump.
Now, of course, I knoweveryone's disappointed.
You're looking at the legalsystem as though it's some kind
of fail-safe to protect us fromcriminal masterminds attempting
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to amass power and overthrow theUnited States government.
That is, in fact, not what it'smade for.
Like, if you want to Trump heldaccountable criminally.
The will you look.
Merrick Garland, jack Smith,even Robert Mueller once upon a
time told us that as long asTrump is in office, he's going
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to be largely held unaccountable.
So you have to do your civicduty and ensure that not only
you vote him out, but that youconvince everyone that you know
to make sure that he never endsup back in office.
And we didn't do that, and sothe consequences of the job yes,
the consequences of theAmerican public not doing their
jobs, as prescribed by theConstitution in casting their
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vote is has led us to a set ofcircumstances where Trump is
largely getting off scot-free,aside from the fact that we can
now officially call him aconvicted felon without the
possibility of facing any kindof lawsuit for libel or slander,
depending on which medium youchoose to partake in calling him
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a convicted felon.
But we did, however, have JudgeSean in New York overseeing
this case and he made a coupleof comments in regard to the
situation at hand.
A couple of comments in regardto the situation at hand.
And Jesus Christ man, like isintelligent is this person is
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and I understand the position hewas in with the sentencing, and
that I mean like his commentswhile also true and accurate or
sound kind of fuckingridiculously tone-de.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
It is the office of the president that bestows those
far reaching protections to theoffice holder, and it was the
citizenry of this nation thatrecently decided that you should
once again receive the benefitsof those protections, which
include, among other things, theSupremacy Clause and
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presidential immunity.
It is through that lens andthat reality that this court
must determine a lawful sentence.
After careful analysis andobedience to governing mandates
and pursuant to the rule of law,this court has determined that
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the only lawful sentence thatpermits entry of a judgment of
conviction without encroachingupon the highest office in the
land is an unconditionaldischarge, which the New York
State legislature has determinedis a lawful and permissible
sentence for the crime offalsifying business records in
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the first degree.
Therefore, at this time, Iimpose that sentence to cover
all 34 counts.
Sir, I wish you Godspeed as youassume your second term in
office.
Thank you, I wish you Godspeedas you assume your second term
in office.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Thank you All right.
So, as you can see there,Machan is helping on following
the constitution to the letter,letter of the law as it's been
interpreted by the Supreme courthere recently in the most
insane of ways, practicallyguaranteeing that Trump, should
he have returned to office atleast when they made the
decision largely have noconsequences for any actions he
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takes while in office.
So, Judge Machan is operatingunder that presumption.
Now, I do believe it wasMachan's duty to enforce some
kind of sentence on Trump, evenif it weren't prison time.
But he definitely probablyshould be serving prison time
for his attempt to illegally Imean trump doesn't get sworn in
until the 20th.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Could, could he have at least sentenced him to like
five days?
Speaker 1 (06:37):
um look.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
so you know he could have made him miss his, make him
miss his, uh, reichstag firerally on the 19th.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
You know I'm going to be fair, I'm going to give
Merchan the benefit of the doubtfirst before I give you a
counterpoint.
So he could do that.
That sentence would beimmediately peeled up to the
Supreme Court.
Trump's argument that you knowthe constitutional duty of him
to prepare for a presidentialtransition before he takes
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office is more imperative thanhim serving his prison sentence.
And we've seen what the SupremeCourt is up to here lately they
barely got to a 5-4 decisionwhen it comes to releasing Jack
Smith's special counsel report.
English is difficult when it'syour first language special
counsel report.
English is difficult when it'syour first language.
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So that likely would probablyget the sentence struck down and
would invite them to interferein the conviction in a number of
ways.
That would likely be a negativeoutcome.
Now again, what I do think heshould have done again, like we
know, it's going to the supremecourt.
Supreme court decision wouldobviously be bad.
What he could have done islikely sentenced him to you know
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x amount of time in prison andpostpone the sentence until
after his presidency I thinkI'll say that's a good idea.
Or if he had fucking remandedhis ass back when he was
violating fucking the gag orderand you know, that would have
been nice yes, it would havebeen great, but again, that's
yet another decision that wouldhave been appealed up to the
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supreme court and the supremecourt would have intervened and
and probably had that decisionreversed.
And this is the problem, right?
The problem isn't really thatthe legal system isn't holding
trump specifically accountable,is that it wasn't designed in
any fashion to hold the most orone of the most powerful people
in America accountable once theyheld the office of the
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presidency.
It just wasn't made for that,and so the real solution here is
we never should have let himwon in 2016.
And then we didn't learn ourfucking lesson in 2024.
I mean, that's, that's reallythe yeah, no, that's that's true
.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
I mean, that's really the point.
Yeah, no, that's true, andthat's a good point, that it was
up to us Because we alreadyknew.
And then, of course, with thecourts stacked and packed by him
and McConnell, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Including Judge.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Amy Kahn in.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
South Florida, where Trump currently resides, which
he installed her post 2020election after he had already
lost.
But yeah, continue, yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Yeah, but yeah, so it was up to us.
You know, if that's just thebottom line and of the 90
million people that didn'tbother to vote, never mind the
popular vote, I don't care aboutthat because we know it's about
the Electoral College right now.
Fuck, those non-committed.
Those 232,000 votes.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
That was all that stood between her winning this
presidency and yeah, of coursethey would have challenged
everything, it would have beenfun, but America still no one
wants to hear that they want tohear us Shit on law enforcement
and the Legal system and all thecourts and the judges and Mayor
Garland and Jack Smith andRobert Mueller and and so on and
so forth.
I mean I do have A bone to pickon.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
No, I'm shitting on non-committed.
I'm shitting on them For realand At this point you know.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
I'm like.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Report all the motherfuckers.
So, like I, really right now Idon't, I don't give a fuck about
you.
I don't because you were realproud of yourself, and what I
don't get is like, if you reallygave a fuck, you would have
been protesting both sidesequally.
You would have been protestingoutside of Trump rallies as well
as Kamala rallies.
You would have you know youwould have, well, probably,
trump rallies as well as Kamalarallies.
(10:24):
You would have you know youwould have, well, probably
wouldn't have gotten in, likeyou were able to get into the
ones for the Democrats but orfor Kamala Trump campaign did
their best to keep protestersout of Trump's rallies because,
again, they understand thatelectoral politics at this point
is just a reality TV show.
But he but you know he said thisshow but he was like they can
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do what the fuck they want withGod, you know.
And then it's like did you notlike?
What do you think is going tobe better?
What do you think you're goingto?
Because at least you may not behappy with Biden or Harris's
support of Israel as our ally,and I do consider it more of a
support of Israel than Bibi.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
I don't believe it is definitely a support of a
people and not necessarily aspecific government.
And I can give you the perfectexample Us trying to remain
allies to Israel incircumstances such as we're
currently facing is the same asour allies trying to remain
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loyal and reasonable,responsible allies to the United
States.
With Trump in office, it'spractically the same thing.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
You know what?
I didn't even look at it thatway, but that is a perfect
analogy.
That's perfect.
Yeah, that is.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
That is, that's what it is, and you know, and I feel
for, I feel for the Israelipeople.
They don't want Bibi there.
He's not there because of thewill of the people.
He is there because he createdan alliance with a minority of
support on the left and a bunchof just a coalition of right
wing support inside the Israelilegislature that allowed him to
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stay and maintain power throughthe course of this war and then
again we don't even have enoughtime.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
That's why he's keeping the war going, because
as soon as the war's over,elections resume and that's what
he was trying to keep fromhappening was the elections, and
he played the game.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
He played the game.
He played it to perfection, atthe expense of many lives, both
Israeli and Palestinian,unfortunately and did enough to
help.
He's not solely responsible,but I'm sure he certainly helped
contribute to Trump's win insome fashion.
And then Trump is a staunchBibi Netanyahu supporter, not an
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ally of Israel, and that is.
You know, when people are like,when the people are looking at
like Republicans and Democrats,and what's the difference?
Well, that's literally thedifference.
Democratic people, you knowDemocratic elected officials or
allies of the Israeli peopleipeople, as well as the
palestinians, because, trust me,they're they.
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They're the only ones that havebeen trying to get aid to the
palestinians.
Trump is a net a friend of thatyahoo, only that's, that's his
only concern yes, and you knowwhat it makes me think about joe
biden's speech.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
What was that in the 80s or early 90s, when he was in
congress, and then he was likesaying he's like, our loyalty
isn't to South Africa, ourloyalty is to South Africans,
the people who are beingexcoriated by this white, racist
regime, like he was and thatwas that he goes.
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It's not to South Africa, it'sto the South Africans, and
that's where he stands today.
That's always been who he was.
The loyalty is to the people.
That's where he stands today.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
That's always been who he was.
The loyalty is to the people.
Yeah, now we just don't.
I mean, look, this is this isnot the venue to read.
I don't know, we can'tencapsulate the entirety of the
Israeli-Palestine conflictbecause I mean we again would be
here for 20 hours.
But you know, again back toTrump being reelected president.
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Well, you know, I hope everyoneout there who voted for him is
getting everything they askedfor, because I assume you know
these conservatives were talkingabout voting out Democrats and
putting Trump back in office,because they wanted to get rid
of the warmongers and theendless wars and losing American
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lives and spending billions ofdollars on meaningless conflicts
.
And yet here we have Trump onthe verge of starting a war with
one of our allies.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
What's the price tag?
Speaker 5 (14:48):
Well, maybe no price tag.
You know, look, we're going tohave to see what happens,
because, denmark, we need thisfor national security.
We need Greenland very badly.
You look at the Russian ships,the China ships, they're all
over the place.
They're surrounding now.
They have for a long time.
That's a lane, but we need thatfor national security.
So I don't know that Denmarkhas any right title and interest
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and we're going to find that.
But I can tell you you saw theclips that were released the
people of Greenland would loveto become a state of the United
States of America.
We were greeted with tremendouslove and affection and respect.
The people would like to be apart of the United States.
Now, denmark maybe doesn't likeit, but then we can't be too
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happy with Denmark and maybethings have to happen with
respect to Denmark having to dowith tariffs.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
That is Trump threatening Denmark with tariffs
if the United States isn'tallowed to annex Greenland.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
For free.
But did you notice, though,during that press conference he
doesn't say anything aboutnational security?
He said we need it for ourfinancial security.
He said it twice.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
It's absolutely insane.
Yes, and if you tack onGreenland, along with the idea
of annexing Canada along withPanama, for whatever reason, the
conclusion you can clearly drawhere is that Trump is intent on
starting a war with the entireWestern hemisphere.
Yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Well they are.
The president of Panama saidthat or he was talking, it was.
He was talking to the formerpresident and the former
president had stated that hementioned to him that he's going
to um take him to.
Is it the it's?
It's not the icc.
It's one of the otherinternational courts um, I'm not
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sure which one, I can'tremember off that's okay, one of
the few yeah, yeah, one ofthose that do that kind of stuff
.
One of those that do that kindof stuff.
One of those that do that kindof stuff.
But the thing is is like yes,you can go to the Greenland
people and but it's stillDenmark's territory, so Denmark
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has to either agree to releasethem, because if it's so much
that the people of Greenlandwant to be free of Denmark and
be their own country, well, ifit was that easy, they could
have already done that.
So there are more things.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
The equivalent of Mexico this is the equivalent of
Mexico announcing that they'regoing to annex Puerto Rico that
would not be a bad idea,actually, but that would not be
a bad idea.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Oh, did you hear what justin trudeau said at an
interview?
That he was like well, you know, we'll swap.
Um, he goes, how about we swapout?
What was it?
Oregon, and it was like twostates and he's like we'll trade
you and it.
You know it wasn't such a jokeanymore to Trump, you know.
But even Maple Maga, Doug Ford,Maple Maga, yeah, Doug Ford,
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even he said, yeah, fuck that.
And he's a huge Trump supporter.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
So yeah, my God, the crack smoking dude that was out
with the horse, no offense tothe horse.
Ok, that's what I'm going toGoogle that one.
Ok, don't make me Google it.
No, look.
So should we take Trumpseriously on his threats to
annex other countries and otherterritories?
Yes, I would.
(18:27):
Yeah, well, so here's the thing.
Trump says things that aretotally unserious, but he also
means them, so yeah, there yougo Right now.
I would also say largely thatall of this talk about Canada,
panama, greenland, etc.
Is an attempt to distract fromthe fact that one he has no plan
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whatsoever on how to end thewar in Ukraine, even though that
he promised he would do thatwithin days of him winning the
election.
Not taking office winning theelection, he since walked that
back.
Also, there's no planswhatsoever in you know, for
Republicans when it pertains toreducing the price of groceries
and items of necessity forAmerican households, the price
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of anything, anything.
Yeah, for sure.
I mean, he talked aboutlowering the price of gas.
We're going to drill.
He said the United States isgoing to drill more.
Hey, buddy, we're drilling moreoil than we are.
We're producing more oil thanwe ever have in the history of
the United States, and more oilthan any other country.
And also, like his promises onday one to begin the mass
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roundup and detention ofundocumented immigrants in
America.
This is a distraction from thepromises of doing that.
Now, again, I don't think thathe has any intention of
forestalling that plan.
I think that he's going to dohis best with the Department of
Homeland Security, to begin someform of mass roundups.
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Now, it's going to beinefficient.
They're going to fuck it up.
You know again, trump's largelyintelligent these plans aren't
thrown out.
They're going to take massiveaction and it's going to, while
be it be unsuccessful, causemassive amounts of harm both to
individuals and to the unitedstates economy as a whole.
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But he's going to try it.
He's going to fuck it up, it'sgoing to implode in his face and
we're going to be againinvolved with just mad, just
endless headlines and unendingcoverage of trump's not only
stupidity but his just failuresto run the country in any sort
of reasonable fashion Did yousee, where Stephen Miller said
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that they're trying to find adisease they can pin on the
migrants so that they canre-implement Title 42 again.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Oh my God, I swear to God, I swear to God, I am not.
This is not parody, I am notjoking, this is real.
They're like maybe that's whyRobert F Kennedy's like no
vaccine.
They're like, oh, shit we got apolio outbreak.
We got to quarantine, we got tosend them out.
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But yeah, they're looking for adisease.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
We're living in the dumbest possible times, but you
know, this is, this is theAmerica that we all deserve.
To be honest, if we couldn'twake up enough people to make a
rational decision in voting forKamala Harris in 2024.
And this is what we ended upwith, this is.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
This is largely it's sad to say.
What I tell myself to makemyself feel better and that
there's light at the end of thetunnel is I go.
Well, my ancestors?
They survived slavery and theygrow and they managed to get
jobs and buy houses too and dostuff.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
So I mean so I, I would say that one of my brain
is right now Like that's wheremy mind is.
Yeah, our ancestors, given thecircumstances, were
extraordinarily resilient, justconsidering the amount of
oppression they faced overhundreds of years, even, you
know, 100 years after slaveryslavery the country was
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systematically destroying Blackfamilies and neighborhoods and
any kind of institutions, blackwealth, and that our people
continue to not only survive youknow all of those endeavors but
in some situations even thrive.
It does point to the resilienceof Black people in America.
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Now, I don't necessarily thinkthat, just because you know our
people were able to find a wayto navigate that set of
circumstances, that we shouldforce that same hardship on as
many people as possible.
But I mean, that's where we are, that's what we've gotten
ourselves into, and I think atthis point I just look at the
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United States as no longer asymbol of what things could
possibly be, even though they'renot always ideal.
Now I see the United States asan example of what not to do for
countries around the world.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Yeah, no, that's exactly it.
You know, if we could have beenmore like, you know, south
Korea, we wouldn't be here.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
But I mean who?
Speaker 2 (23:19):
would have thought that we'd be looking to South
Korea as the bastion ofdemocracy for the Western
hemisphere.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
So politics in South Korea is different.
It's not like the United Statesfor numerous reasons, and again
, I don't even have theexpertise to necessarily detail
all the ways and why it's such avastly different political
landscape.
But part of it is North Koreais right there on their border,
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so they don't kick it the samejust for again, like they have
different concerns than theunited states does, like our,
our country's infatuation,infatuation with immigration
over the past hundreds of pasthundred years or so, uh, pales
nothing in comparison to whatsouth korea is dealing with on
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their northern border.
And I, I just you know againthey got a different, they just
have a different outlook on whatthey expect out of their
executive branch down there.
And that shit the dude tried topull with a military coup in
South Korea was out of control,but they got that motherfucker
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out of there immediately.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
They literally it was like motherfucker in the bar
and they get that dude.
You trying to what?
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Oh no, that was out of the streets.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
And there was this Korean reporter and she was out
there and she's like reporting,like one in the morning when
they're lifting up theparliament, people to go in
there and vote on the wall andall that shit.
And then they were like why,why are, why are reporters drunk
at 1 am?
She's like we're.
We're the Irish people of Asia.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
No, no, no.
Shade to the Irish.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
She was like you don't know much about koreans,
do you?
Because they were likeeverybody got out the bar.
She's like we love to tradethat every.
Uh, it was just so funny.
On the third, I was like Ididn't know that.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
They were like yeah, we're the irish people of asia,
right and for them they'vethey've recently I mean they've
had a potential failed militarycoups in not maybe the youngest
generation's lifetime, but theolder generations are familiar
with the time before democracywas yeah, before they had a
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democracy in south korea.
So they is like we ain't goingback for real.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
There are a lot of countries that have relatively
new democracies compared to us.
Yes, you know where in the 70sand in other times, so I mean
even mexico has, I mean, andeven now still, like the pre
pretty much ran.
That was like basically aone-party state for forever,
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like they're pretty much.
And now the morena party prettymuch runs everything but um,
but yeah, but they, they, um,claudia shine bomb, but she's,
she's really smart.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
I didn't know she's, I didn't know she was a phd and
a scientist yeah, she's verysmart, she's bright, she's
politically astute, but she'salso not again like I wouldn't
say that she's a bad actor, butthere's a lot of Republican-like
tactics that take place insidethe left-leaning party there.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Well, the Marina party yes, and I was concerned
because I knew that she washandpicked pretty much by AMLO
to be his successor.
You know, Mexico all won't turn, so that's it but.
I knew that she was handpicked,so I was concerned that she
would be a puppet, and I knewthat he.
He was not necessarily a Bidenfan and he is a little more
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conservative.
However, under his leadership,mexico did a lot of progressive
things like decriminalize anabortion, same sex marriage.
They have the second largestpride parade in the world doing
pride, and that's in Mexico City, so and they call Puerto
Vallarta the gay Riviera.
So they are very open in a lotof ways and despite being a
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predominantly Catholic country,I mean the Supreme Court voted
unanimously to decriminalizeabortion.
And then you've got, was itZacatecas?
They had elected a gay mayor, amale gay mayor, and then there
were several gay people.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
If anyone who doesn't realize how like like this is
stretching the bounds of liberalpolitics in Mexico, like if
you've looked at the LatinAmerican community and how they
tend to vote more and moreconservative as they get older,
I mean that that you kind of putit into context for you.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
yeah, so yeah yeah but it's yeah, but it's sort of
like they have several transgender members of their congress
, you know, openly, and heappointed an openly gay woman to
be in his cabinet and she wasactually the first gay person.
She was arrested, she wasprotesting, this was like in the
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seventies, so it was kind of afull circle moment, which was
kind of cool.
But you know, he doesn'tpersonally believe in abortion.
He's kind of like Biden on thatand like personally, I have my
own feelings, you know what Imean.
However, I believe in a womanand this was kind of the same
thing.
But I am impressed with howstrong Claudia Scheinbaum is and
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how she is standing up to Trumpand doing a little bit of
trolling too, and then she hasgone.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
She understands political theater at a high
level, right we?
At this point, we get it.
Politics has now become areality TV show and she is out
there performing at everypossible turn.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
You know what they say.
You have to make it up to wherethey are, so she's talking in a
way that you can understand.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Absolutely, and you know what I think?
I think American politicians onthe left could learn a couple
lessons from her in that regardin how to hold court, how to
present to an audience, how toget your point across and how
not to be a little bitch.
But you know, again, that's notanything that I could possibly
force upon Democraticpoliticians myself and given the
(29:36):
fact that I am likely not fitto run for office myself, I mean
, I guess you know what Trump'spresident anybody can run for
anything at this point, I don'tknow.
But so we did have commentsfrom President Biden the other
day on a number of issues.
One in particular I thought wasextraordinarily interesting his
thoughts on the 2024 electionand how he believes that
(29:56):
personally, he could have beatenTrump, and we'll hear that clip
right now.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Mr President, do you regret your decision to run for
re-election?
Do you think that that made it?
Speaker 1 (30:07):
easier for your predecessor to now become your
successor.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
I don't think so.
I think I would have beatenTrump, could have beaten Trump,
and I think that Kamala couldhave beaten Trump and would have
beaten Trump.
It wasn't about.
I thought it was important tounify the party and when the
party was worried about whetheror not I was going to be able to
(30:32):
move, I thought even though Ithought I could win again I
thought it was better to unifythe party and it was the
greatest honor in my life to bepresident of the United States.
But I didn't want to be one whocaused a party that wasn't
unified to lose an election andthat's why I stepped aside, but
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I was confident she could win.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
All right.
So I largely agree with Bidenthere.
I do think he's wrong in in theso in the sense that could
Biden have won this election in2024?
Yes, if not for the catastrophethat the media imposed on the
country for over a monthstraight after the debate, which
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he underperformed, even thoughno one talks about how
absolutely insane everythingTrump said was and how you know
endlessly like we discount theendless lies because it's Trump,
but any other candidate, incomparison to Joe Biden's
performance, would have beensank by the performance that
Trump put on, I do believe.
Once that occurred and the mediaspent a month endlessly
(31:40):
obsessing over Biden and his ageand whether or not he should
drop out.
And then, you know, numeroussupposed left wing commentators
indulged in the idea.
Instead of doing everything theycould inform the American
people and just show all theclips of Biden performing
stellarly in public post debate,in public post-debate, they sat
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there and basically brainwashedeveryone to believe that it was
impossible for Biden to win,and up to the point where even
members of Congress and theDemocratic Party were about to
turn on Biden.
And once we got to that point,not only could Biden not have
won the 2024 election, no onecould have and we saw that, we
saw that fairly clearly KamalaHarris's stellar performance in
terms of, you know, enthusiasminside the base, the fundraising
(32:29):
, the public, the publicinteractions, you know, the
rallies, the appearances onpodcasts and such.
And even with all of that andthe gazillion dollars in the
bank, she lost to Trump in everyswing state, even though the
deciding factor in the electionwas three swing states and a
(32:50):
couple hundred thousand votes.
And she performed about as wellas you could expect anyone to
in the circumstances, with ashort runway being thrust into
the national spotlight, thenomination a couple of months
ago, before the election.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
The thing is is I honestly believe that there was
too much money put into Project2025.
They were not going to let anyDemocrat win the presidency.
They went all in on that andthat bill was going to come due
on their investment period.
The only thing is that Kamalamade them spend more money than
they would have had to spendagainst Biden.
(33:27):
They just probably would haveshowed some old like some clips
of him like slipping or fallingoff his bike, but with Kamala
they had to.
They had to come out of theirpocket to the tune of they had
to go all in in a way that theyweren't expecting and I feel
also like it wasn't.
(33:50):
They weren't spending thatmoney to for Trump to win.
They were spending that money.
It was they wanted Kamala tolose.
It wasn't about Trump winning,it was about her losing.
They were focused on losing.
So they spent all of their timejust focusing on wedge issues
that they could relate to her orsomehow connect to her or the
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Democratic Party in general youknow.
But because you know he reallydidn't have to to do anything
and because mainstream mediadoesn't show his bad shittery,
you know that it was like shewas running against another sane
person, which was the oppositeof true right you know, and well
(34:34):
, and it was just an issue likethere was the fact that, even
though trump wasn't theincumbent because Kamala Harris
hadn't won a presidentialelection Trump at that point
became the incumbent.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
And again, if you have even the sense of
incumbency, it isextraordinarily difficult as a
candidate for you to lose, eventhough Biden beat Trump by a
gazillion trillion votes in 2020.
And that was the thing.
So I don't think, largely, asfar as the 2024 election is
concerned, if Trump had stayedin office, biden had stayed in
(35:10):
the race, rather, and we hadn'thad that debacle of a media
implosion after the debate, Ithink Biden probably would have
won, just on the fact thatpeople are bored, they don't pay
attention to politics andpeople largely just vote for
whoever they voted for the lasttime.
And maybe you have some, youknow, the hyper-focused I don't
even know if this exists, but,like the hyper-focused and
(35:33):
hyper-informed, undecided voter,I don't even know if that's a
real demographic.
It's probably not.
You know, maybe you know thosepeople might have been swayed by
some of the informationRepublicans were putting out
there, but I think largely whathappened is the parties switched
candidates at the last secondand then a bunch of people who
(35:54):
voted for Biden in 2020 werelike oh, he's not on the ticket,
I guess I won't be voting.
And a bunch of people who'vealready voted for Trump once or
twice were like I guess I'lljust vote for Trump again, and
the numbers kind of pretty muchreflect that.
I just it was dumb.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Yeah, because he didn't really gain much.
It wasn't like he gained awhole swath of America.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
No, he was saying that there was a huge jump from
2016 to 2020 in, you know, seven, eight million voters, and then
he approved upon that numbermarginally with like two million
voters or so Two million, yeah,like two million votes.
Yeah, but again, you know, hadBiden been in the race, maybe
(36:36):
those 81 million voters wouldhave showed up again and cast.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
George Clooney's, and those people had not waffled
and turned their backs on himand the party stayed unified
because you know scenario, hecould have decided that he
wanted to resign and then we hadKamala anyway.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
But I mean, I think that would have done.
I mean, that too would havebeen a recipe for does that.
There was no outcome.
That would have been wheredemocrats could have been
victorious once the party split.
I mean, I think it was over atthat point and we talked about
that for like a month straighton this podcast.
I'm sure you know our listenersout there.
(37:18):
You retired hearing that shit.
You were like, can we just getBiden out of here so we can,
like, get back to business?
Well, we did that and you sawwhat happened and again, like at
that point, I mean, there was,there was no winning situation.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
We, we said that your business was to get your ass
behind Kamala motherfuckers.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Well, we tried to do that we tried to do that, but I
had warned people that, eventhough I so, I thought Kamala
Harris would win, and sheperformed where I thought I was.
She got a percentage.
She got just raw numbers, whatI thought she would have got.
But I just thought numerousTrump supporters wouldn't show
up and she would win justbecause Trump lost a poll.
(37:56):
That just turned out to not bethe case, and there was no
solution to that.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
And then you just throw in all those other
outliers like I said, thenon-committed and they knew that
they didn't need.
They knew they weren't going toreally peel off too much of the
black vote, but they knew inthose swing states if they could
peel off enough of thedisgruntled Arab and Muslim vote
(38:22):
, that would be all they neededto clinch, I mean they really
didn't even succeed in thatoutside of maybe Michigan
slightly.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Really, where they won is Trump just won a bigger
margin of white people.
White people decided theelection largely and you know
what Biden's superpower wasGetting white people to vote for
democrats.
It was insane.
I don't know why we gave thatup.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
That was that's that was a good point, and he has a
penis uh, yeah, well see, youknow, I think it's complicated.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
We'll have to talk about the implications of we did
have a white lady too.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Uh, switching.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
There was a time well then, the white lady got more
votes than a white guy, but noone wants to talk about that,
they just failed her too yeah,well, that's michigan.
God damn it.
Get it together up there y'all.
Detroit, I know y'all are onthe ball, but the rest of the
state man, this shit is likeoutside of detroit.
Michigan is like kentucky it's,it's, it's, that is true, but
(39:21):
then not every fucking.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Even blue states like pretty much people forget about
this.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Come on, you got atlanta.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
You got cobb county and then you got marjorie taylor
green.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
So I mean atlanta is a totally separate.
It's a.
It's a different planetcompared to the rest of georgia.
But yeah, like you said, in thenorth, like blue states oh,
blue states are like that too.
Once you get out of these metroareas and their surrounding
suburbs, it gets real wild outthere, except, unlike the South,
in the rural areas.
(39:52):
There are no Black people inthe rural areas up North.
It ain't.
No, we don't kick it up thereout there in a while.
We don't do it.
One, two, three, four , please.
It did not seem suitable.
Over there you're listening tothe pardon, this wretched
podcast where jesus christ man,what the fuck are we gonna do?
What are we gonna do?
It's already out of control.
He's trump's not even in thewhite house yet.
Uh, the headlines are insanelybonkers.
Every single day it's some newridiculous absurdity revealed
(00:39):
into the public about how trumpis either insane or is a liar,
or is a criminal or is a thief.
It's out of control.
I don't know how to stop it.
I don't even think most of usare going to survive the next
four years, if he even leavesoffice in the next four years.
But I guess, fingers crossed,we can hope that he dies soon.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I seriously doubt in our lifetime we're going to see
this corrected.
It's going to be 80 years downthe road and then when they go
to the history book they're likewhat happened to america, and
then they go back and you know,yeah, it's not going to be ideal
?
Speaker 1 (01:15):
no, and you know.
So, this idea of like, how longwill it take to undo the damage
of a trump administration?
Well, we, we had four years,one of the best, most productive
presidents at least in terms oftheir first terms that we've
ever had, and he didn't undohalf the damage that Trump
caused this country, and hisinability to fix it fast enough
(01:36):
is part of the reason why Trumpgot reelected to a second term,
even though he is now currentlythat.
And racism?
Well, racism is always bakedinto United States, that's true.
Like that is.
That has been a theme since thefounding of the country.
It just, I mean, I think thatgoes without saying.
Or, you know, maybe people needa history lesson to have, like
(02:00):
some kind of refresher courseabout how racism was largely the
determining factor in almostevery presidential election
since the founding of thecountry.
But that's neither here northere.
We don't have time to do all ofthat.
We'll save that for 2000,nebuary, should we ever survive
the incoming apocalypse.
(02:21):
But yeah, in case you missed it,so Trump is now officially a
convicted felon.
Took long enough.
Judge Merchan finally sentencedTrump.
Now, of course, I knoweveryone's disappointed.
You're looking at the legalsystem as though it's some kind
of fail-safe to protect us fromcriminal masterminds attempting
(02:44):
to amass power and overthrow theUnited States government.
That is, in fact, not what it'smade for.
Like, if you want to Trump heldaccountable criminally.
The will you look.
Merrick Garland, jack Smith,even Robert Mueller once upon a
time told us that as long asTrump is in office, he's going
(03:07):
to be largely held unaccountable.
So you have to do your civicduty and ensure that not only
you vote him out, but that youconvince everyone that you know
to make sure that he never endsup back in office.
And we didn't do that, and sothe consequences of the job yes,
the consequences of theAmerican public not doing their
jobs, as prescribed by theConstitution in casting their
(03:28):
vote is has led us to a set ofcircumstances where Trump is
largely getting off scot-free,aside from the fact that we can
now officially call him aconvicted felon without the
possibility of facing any kindof lawsuit for libel or slander,
depending on which medium youchoose to partake in calling him
(03:49):
a convicted felon.
But we did, however, have JudgeSean in New York overseeing
this case and he made a coupleof comments in regard to the
situation at hand.
A couple of comments in regardto the situation at hand.
And Jesus Christ man, like isintelligent is this person is
(04:10):
and I understand the position hewas in with the sentencing, and
that I mean like his commentswhile also true and accurate or
sound kind of fuckingridiculously tone-de.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
It is the office of the president that bestows those
far reaching protections to theoffice holder, and it was the
citizenry of this nation thatrecently decided that you should
once again receive the benefitsof those protections, which
include, among other things, theSupremacy Clause and
(04:45):
presidential immunity.
It is through that lens andthat reality that this court
must determine a lawful sentence.
After careful analysis andobedience to governing mandates
and pursuant to the rule of law,this court has determined that
(05:08):
the only lawful sentence thatpermits entry of a judgment of
conviction without encroachingupon the highest office in the
land is an unconditionaldischarge, which the New York
State legislature has determinedis a lawful and permissible
sentence for the crime offalsifying business records in
(05:29):
the first degree.
Therefore, at this time, Iimpose that sentence to cover
all 34 counts.
Sir, I wish you Godspeed as youassume your second term in
office.
Thank you, I wish you Godspeedas you assume your second term
in office.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Thank you All right.
So, as you can see there,Machan is helping on following
the constitution to the letter,letter of the law as it's been
interpreted by the Supreme courthere recently in the most
insane of ways, practicallyguaranteeing that Trump, should
he have returned to office atleast when they made the
decision largely have noconsequences for any actions he
(06:11):
takes while in office.
So, Judge Machan is operatingunder that presumption.
Now, I do believe it wasMachan's duty to enforce some
kind of sentence on Trump, evenif it weren't prison time.
But he definitely probablyshould be serving prison time
for his attempt to illegally Imean trump doesn't get sworn in
until the 20th.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Could, could he have at least sentenced him to like
five days?
Speaker 1 (06:37):
um look.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
so you know he could have made him miss his, make him
miss his, uh, reichstag firerally on the 19th.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
You know I'm going to be fair, I'm going to give
Merchan the benefit of the doubtfirst before I give you a
counterpoint.
So he could do that.
That sentence would beimmediately peeled up to the
Supreme Court.
Trump's argument that you knowthe constitutional duty of him
to prepare for a presidentialtransition before he takes
(07:06):
office is more imperative thanhim serving his prison sentence.
And we've seen what the SupremeCourt is up to here lately they
barely got to a 5-4 decisionwhen it comes to releasing Jack
Smith's special counsel report.
English is difficult when it'syour first language special
counsel report.
English is difficult when it'syour first language.
(07:27):
So that likely would probablyget the sentence struck down and
would invite them to interferein the conviction in a number of
ways.
That would likely be a negativeoutcome.
Now again, what I do think heshould have done again, like we
know, it's going to the supremecourt.
Supreme court decision wouldobviously be bad.
What he could have done islikely sentenced him to you know
(07:50):
x amount of time in prison andpostpone the sentence until
after his presidency I thinkI'll say that's a good idea.
Or if he had fucking remandedhis ass back when he was
violating fucking the gag orderand you know, that would have
been nice yes, it would havebeen great, but again, that's
yet another decision that wouldhave been appealed up to the
(08:12):
supreme court and the supremecourt would have intervened and
and probably had that decisionreversed.
And this is the problem, right?
The problem isn't really thatthe legal system isn't holding
trump specifically accountable,is that it wasn't designed in
any fashion to hold the most orone of the most powerful people
in America accountable once theyheld the office of the
(08:33):
presidency.
It just wasn't made for that,and so the real solution here is
we never should have let himwon in 2016.
And then we didn't learn ourfucking lesson in 2024.
I mean, that's, that's reallythe yeah, no, that's that's true
.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
I mean, that's really the point.
Yeah, no, that's true, andthat's a good point, that it was
up to us Because we alreadyknew.
And then, of course, with thecourts stacked and packed by him
and McConnell, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Including Judge.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Amy Kahn in.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
South Florida, where Trump currently resides, which
he installed her post 2020election after he had already
lost.
But yeah, continue, yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Yeah, but yeah, so it was up to us.
You know, if that's just thebottom line and of the 90
million people that didn'tbother to vote, never mind the
popular vote, I don't care aboutthat because we know it's about
the Electoral College right now.
Fuck, those non-committed.
Those 232,000 votes.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
That was all that stood between her winning this
presidency and yeah, of coursethey would have challenged
everything, it would have beenfun, but America still no one
wants to hear that they want tohear us Shit on law enforcement
and the Legal system and all thecourts and the judges and Mayor
Garland and Jack Smith andRobert Mueller and and so on and
so forth.
I mean I do have A bone to pickon.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
No, I'm shitting on non-committed.
I'm shitting on them For realand At this point you know.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
I'm like.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Report all the motherfuckers.
So, like I, really right now Idon't, I don't give a fuck about
you.
I don't because you were realproud of yourself, and what I
don't get is like, if you reallygave a fuck, you would have
been protesting both sidesequally.
You would have been protestingoutside of Trump rallies as well
as Kamala rallies.
You would have you know youwould have, well, probably,
trump rallies as well as Kamalarallies.
(10:24):
You would have you know youwould have, well, probably
wouldn't have gotten in, likeyou were able to get into the
ones for the Democrats but orfor Kamala Trump campaign did
their best to keep protestersout of Trump's rallies because,
again, they understand thatelectoral politics at this point
is just a reality TV show.
But he but you know he said thisshow but he was like they can
(10:49):
do what the fuck they want withGod, you know.
And then it's like did you notlike?
What do you think is going tobe better?
What do you think you're goingto?
Because at least you may not behappy with Biden or Harris's
support of Israel as our ally,and I do consider it more of a
support of Israel than Bibi.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
I don't believe it is definitely a support of a
people and not necessarily aspecific government.
And I can give you the perfectexample Us trying to remain
allies to Israel incircumstances such as we're
currently facing is the same asour allies trying to remain
(11:30):
loyal and reasonable,responsible allies to the United
States.
With Trump in office, it'spractically the same thing.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
You know what?
I didn't even look at it thatway, but that is a perfect
analogy.
That's perfect.
Yeah, that is.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
That is, that's what it is, and you know, and I feel
for, I feel for the Israelipeople.
They don't want Bibi there.
He's not there because of thewill of the people.
He is there because he createdan alliance with a minority of
support on the left and a bunchof just a coalition of right
wing support inside the Israelilegislature that allowed him to
(12:13):
stay and maintain power throughthe course of this war and then
again we don't even have enoughtime.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
That's why he's keeping the war going, because
as soon as the war's over,elections resume and that's what
he was trying to keep fromhappening was the elections, and
he played the game.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
He played the game.
He played it to perfection, atthe expense of many lives, both
Israeli and Palestinian,unfortunately and did enough to
help.
He's not solely responsible,but I'm sure he certainly helped
contribute to Trump's win insome fashion.
And then Trump is a staunchBibi Netanyahu supporter, not an
(12:52):
ally of Israel, and that is.
You know, when people are like,when the people are looking at
like Republicans and Democrats,and what's the difference?
Well, that's literally thedifference.
Democratic people, you knowDemocratic elected officials or
allies of the Israeli peopleipeople, as well as the
palestinians, because, trust me,they're they.
(13:12):
They're the only ones that havebeen trying to get aid to the
palestinians.
Trump is a net a friend of thatyahoo, only that's, that's his
only concern yes, and you knowwhat it makes me think about joe
biden's speech.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
What was that in the 80s or early 90s, when he was in
congress, and then he was likesaying he's like, our loyalty
isn't to South Africa, ourloyalty is to South Africans,
the people who are beingexcoriated by this white, racist
regime, like he was and thatwas that he goes.
(13:43):
It's not to South Africa, it'sto the South Africans, and
that's where he stands today.
That's always been who he was.
The loyalty is to the people.
That's where he stands today.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
That's always been who he was.
The loyalty is to the people.
Yeah, now we just don't.
I mean, look, this is this isnot the venue to read.
I don't know, we can'tencapsulate the entirety of the
Israeli-Palestine conflictbecause I mean we again would be
here for 20 hours.
But you know, again back toTrump being reelected president.
(14:14):
Well, you know, I hope everyoneout there who voted for him is
getting everything they askedfor, because I assume you know
these conservatives were talkingabout voting out Democrats and
putting Trump back in office,because they wanted to get rid
of the warmongers and theendless wars and losing American
(14:34):
lives and spending billions ofdollars on meaningless conflicts
.
And yet here we have Trump onthe verge of starting a war with
one of our allies.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
What's the price tag?
Speaker 5 (14:48):
Well, maybe no price tag.
You know, look, we're going tohave to see what happens,
because, denmark, we need thisfor national security.
We need Greenland very badly.
You look at the Russian ships,the China ships, they're all
over the place.
They're surrounding now.
They have for a long time.
That's a lane, but we need thatfor national security.
So I don't know that Denmarkhas any right title and interest
(15:11):
and we're going to find that.
But I can tell you you saw theclips that were released the
people of Greenland would loveto become a state of the United
States of America.
We were greeted with tremendouslove and affection and respect.
The people would like to be apart of the United States.
Now, denmark maybe doesn't likeit, but then we can't be too
(15:33):
happy with Denmark and maybethings have to happen with
respect to Denmark having to dowith tariffs.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
That is Trump threatening Denmark with tariffs
if the United States isn'tallowed to annex Greenland.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
For free.
But did you notice, though,during that press conference he
doesn't say anything aboutnational security?
He said we need it for ourfinancial security.
He said it twice.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
It's absolutely insane.
Yes, and if you tack onGreenland, along with the idea
of annexing Canada along withPanama, for whatever reason, the
conclusion you can clearly drawhere is that Trump is intent on
starting a war with the entireWestern hemisphere.
Yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Well they are.
The president of Panama saidthat or he was talking, it was.
He was talking to the formerpresident and the former
president had stated that hementioned to him that he's going
to um take him to.
Is it the it's?
It's not the icc.
It's one of the otherinternational courts um, I'm not
(16:41):
sure which one, I can'tremember off that's okay, one of
the few yeah, yeah, one ofthose that do that kind of stuff
.
One of those that do that kindof stuff.
One of those that do that kindof stuff.
But the thing is is like yes,you can go to the Greenland
people and but it's stillDenmark's territory, so Denmark
(17:03):
has to either agree to releasethem, because if it's so much
that the people of Greenlandwant to be free of Denmark and
be their own country, well, ifit was that easy, they could
have already done that.
So there are more things.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
The equivalent of Mexico this is the equivalent of
Mexico announcing that they'regoing to annex Puerto Rico that
would not be a bad idea,actually, but that would not be
a bad idea.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Oh, did you hear what justin trudeau said at an
interview?
That he was like well, you know, we'll swap.
Um, he goes, how about we swapout?
What was it?
Oregon, and it was like twostates and he's like we'll trade
you and it.
You know it wasn't such a jokeanymore to Trump, you know.
But even Maple Maga, Doug Ford,Maple Maga, yeah, Doug Ford,
(18:02):
even he said, yeah, fuck that.
And he's a huge Trump supporter.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
So yeah, my God, the crack smoking dude that was out
with the horse, no offense tothe horse.
Ok, that's what I'm going toGoogle that one.
Ok, don't make me Google it.
No, look.
So should we take Trumpseriously on his threats to
annex other countries and otherterritories?
Yes, I would.
(18:27):
Yeah, well, so here's the thing.
Trump says things that aretotally unserious, but he also
means them, so yeah, there yougo Right now.
I would also say largely thatall of this talk about Canada,
panama, greenland, etc.
Is an attempt to distract fromthe fact that one he has no plan
(18:47):
whatsoever on how to end thewar in Ukraine, even though that
he promised he would do thatwithin days of him winning the
election.
Not taking office winning theelection, he since walked that
back.
Also, there's no planswhatsoever in you know, for
Republicans when it pertains toreducing the price of groceries
and items of necessity forAmerican households, the price
(19:10):
of anything, anything.
Yeah, for sure.
I mean, he talked aboutlowering the price of gas.
We're going to drill.
He said the United States isgoing to drill more.
Hey, buddy, we're drilling moreoil than we are.
We're producing more oil thanwe ever have in the history of
the United States, and more oilthan any other country.
And also, like his promises onday one to begin the mass
(19:33):
roundup and detention ofundocumented immigrants in
America.
This is a distraction from thepromises of doing that.
Now, again, I don't think thathe has any intention of
forestalling that plan.
I think that he's going to dohis best with the Department of
Homeland Security, to begin someform of mass roundups.
(19:53):
Now, it's going to beinefficient.
They're going to fuck it up.
You know again, trump's largelyintelligent these plans aren't
thrown out.
They're going to take massiveaction and it's going to, while
be it be unsuccessful, causemassive amounts of harm both to
individuals and to the unitedstates economy as a whole.
(20:14):
But he's going to try it.
He's going to fuck it up, it'sgoing to implode in his face and
we're going to be againinvolved with just mad, just
endless headlines and unendingcoverage of trump's not only
stupidity but his just failuresto run the country in any sort
of reasonable fashion Did yousee, where Stephen Miller said
(20:35):
that they're trying to find adisease they can pin on the
migrants so that they canre-implement Title 42 again.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Oh my God, I swear to God, I swear to God, I am not.
This is not parody, I am notjoking, this is real.
They're like maybe that's whyRobert F Kennedy's like no
vaccine.
They're like, oh, shit we got apolio outbreak.
We got to quarantine, we got tosend them out.
(21:05):
But yeah, they're looking for adisease.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
We're living in the dumbest possible times, but you
know, this is, this is theAmerica that we all deserve.
To be honest, if we couldn'twake up enough people to make a
rational decision in voting forKamala Harris in 2024.
And this is what we ended upwith, this is.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
This is largely it's sad to say.
What I tell myself to makemyself feel better and that
there's light at the end of thetunnel is I go.
Well, my ancestors?
They survived slavery and theygrow and they managed to get
jobs and buy houses too and dostuff.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
So I mean so I, I would say that one of my brain
is right now Like that's wheremy mind is.
Yeah, our ancestors, given thecircumstances, were
extraordinarily resilient, justconsidering the amount of
oppression they faced overhundreds of years, even, you
know, 100 years after slaveryslavery the country was
(22:09):
systematically destroying Blackfamilies and neighborhoods and
any kind of institutions, blackwealth, and that our people
continue to not only survive youknow all of those endeavors but
in some situations even thrive.
It does point to the resilienceof Black people in America.
(22:31):
Now, I don't necessarily thinkthat, just because you know our
people were able to find a wayto navigate that set of
circumstances, that we shouldforce that same hardship on as
many people as possible.
But I mean, that's where we are, that's what we've gotten
ourselves into, and I think atthis point I just look at the
(22:52):
United States as no longer asymbol of what things could
possibly be, even though they'renot always ideal.
Now I see the United States asan example of what not to do for
countries around the world.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Yeah, no, that's exactly it.
You know, if we could have beenmore like, you know, south
Korea, we wouldn't be here.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
But I mean who?
Speaker 2 (23:19):
would have thought that we'd be looking to South
Korea as the bastion ofdemocracy for the Western
hemisphere.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
So politics in South Korea is different.
It's not like the United Statesfor numerous reasons, and again
, I don't even have theexpertise to necessarily detail
all the ways and why it's such avastly different political
landscape.
But part of it is North Koreais right there on their border,
(23:47):
so they don't kick it the samejust for again, like they have
different concerns than theunited states does, like our,
our country's infatuation,infatuation with immigration
over the past hundreds of pasthundred years or so, uh, pales
nothing in comparison to whatsouth korea is dealing with on
(24:10):
their northern border.
And I, I just you know againthey got a different, they just
have a different outlook on whatthey expect out of their
executive branch down there.
And that shit the dude tried topull with a military coup in
South Korea was out of control,but they got that motherfucker
(24:30):
out of there immediately.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
They literally it was like motherfucker in the bar
and they get that dude.
You trying to what?
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Oh no, that was out of the streets.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
And there was this Korean reporter and she was out
there and she's like reporting,like one in the morning when
they're lifting up theparliament, people to go in
there and vote on the wall andall that shit.
And then they were like why,why are, why are reporters drunk
at 1 am?
She's like we're.
We're the Irish people of Asia.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
No, no, no.
Shade to the Irish.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
She was like you don't know much about koreans,
do you?
Because they were likeeverybody got out the bar.
She's like we love to tradethat every.
Uh, it was just so funny.
On the third, I was like Ididn't know that.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
They were like yeah, we're the irish people of asia,
right and for them they'vethey've recently I mean they've
had a potential failed militarycoups in not maybe the youngest
generation's lifetime, but theolder generations are familiar
with the time before democracywas yeah, before they had a
(25:42):
democracy in south korea.
So they is like we ain't goingback for real.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
There are a lot of countries that have relatively
new democracies compared to us.
Yes, you know where in the 70sand in other times, so I mean
even mexico has, I mean, andeven now still, like the pre
pretty much ran.
That was like basically aone-party state for forever,
(26:08):
like they're pretty much.
And now the morena party prettymuch runs everything but um,
but yeah, but they, they, um,claudia shine bomb, but she's,
she's really smart.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
I didn't know she's, I didn't know she was a phd and
a scientist yeah, she's verysmart, she's bright, she's
politically astute, but she'salso not again like I wouldn't
say that she's a bad actor, butthere's a lot of Republican-like
tactics that take place insidethe left-leaning party there.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Well, the Marina party yes, and I was concerned
because I knew that she washandpicked pretty much by AMLO
to be his successor.
You know, Mexico all won't turn, so that's it but.
I knew that she was handpicked,so I was concerned that she
would be a puppet, and I knewthat he.
He was not necessarily a Bidenfan and he is a little more
(27:08):
conservative.
However, under his leadership,mexico did a lot of progressive
things like decriminalize anabortion, same sex marriage.
They have the second largestpride parade in the world doing
pride, and that's in Mexico City, so and they call Puerto
Vallarta the gay Riviera.
So they are very open in a lotof ways and despite being a
(27:32):
predominantly Catholic country,I mean the Supreme Court voted
unanimously to decriminalizeabortion.
And then you've got, was itZacatecas?
They had elected a gay mayor, amale gay mayor, and then there
were several gay people.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
If anyone who doesn't realize how like like this is
stretching the bounds of liberalpolitics in Mexico, like if
you've looked at the LatinAmerican community and how they
tend to vote more and moreconservative as they get older,
I mean that that you kind of putit into context for you.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
yeah, so yeah yeah but it's yeah, but it's sort of
like they have several transgender members of their congress
, you know, openly, and heappointed an openly gay woman to
be in his cabinet and she wasactually the first gay person.
She was arrested, she wasprotesting, this was like in the
(28:30):
seventies, so it was kind of afull circle moment, which was
kind of cool.
But you know, he doesn'tpersonally believe in abortion.
He's kind of like Biden on thatand like personally, I have my
own feelings, you know what Imean.
However, I believe in a womanand this was kind of the same
thing.
But I am impressed with howstrong Claudia Scheinbaum is and
(28:52):
how she is standing up to Trumpand doing a little bit of
trolling too, and then she hasgone.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
She understands political theater at a high
level, right we?
At this point, we get it.
Politics has now become areality TV show and she is out
there performing at everypossible turn.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
You know what they say.
You have to make it up to wherethey are, so she's talking in a
way that you can understand.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Absolutely, and you know what I think?
I think American politicians onthe left could learn a couple
lessons from her in that regardin how to hold court, how to
present to an audience, how toget your point across and how
not to be a little bitch.
But you know, again, that's notanything that I could possibly
force upon Democraticpoliticians myself and given the
(29:36):
fact that I am likely not fitto run for office myself, I mean
, I guess you know what Trump'spresident anybody can run for
anything at this point, I don'tknow.
But so we did have commentsfrom President Biden the other
day on a number of issues.
One in particular I thought wasextraordinarily interesting his
thoughts on the 2024 electionand how he believes that
(29:56):
personally, he could have beatenTrump, and we'll hear that clip
right now.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Mr President, do you regret your decision to run for
re-election?
Do you think that that made it?
Speaker 1 (30:07):
easier for your predecessor to now become your
successor.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
I don't think so.
I think I would have beatenTrump, could have beaten Trump,
and I think that Kamala couldhave beaten Trump and would have
beaten Trump.
It wasn't about.
I thought it was important tounify the party and when the
party was worried about whetheror not I was going to be able to
(30:32):
move, I thought even though Ithought I could win again I
thought it was better to unifythe party and it was the
greatest honor in my life to bepresident of the United States.
But I didn't want to be one whocaused a party that wasn't
unified to lose an election andthat's why I stepped aside, but
(30:53):
I was confident she could win.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
All right.
So I largely agree with Bidenthere.
I do think he's wrong in in theso in the sense that could
Biden have won this election in2024?
Yes, if not for the catastrophethat the media imposed on the
country for over a monthstraight after the debate, which
(31:17):
he underperformed, even thoughno one talks about how
absolutely insane everythingTrump said was and how you know
endlessly like we discount theendless lies because it's Trump,
but any other candidate, incomparison to Joe Biden's
performance, would have beensank by the performance that
Trump put on, I do believe.
Once that occurred and the mediaspent a month endlessly
(31:40):
obsessing over Biden and his ageand whether or not he should
drop out.
And then, you know, numeroussupposed left wing commentators
indulged in the idea.
Instead of doing everything theycould inform the American
people and just show all theclips of Biden performing
stellarly in public post debate,in public post-debate, they sat
(32:04):
there and basically brainwashedeveryone to believe that it was
impossible for Biden to win,and up to the point where even
members of Congress and theDemocratic Party were about to
turn on Biden.
And once we got to that point,not only could Biden not have
won the 2024 election, no onecould have and we saw that, we
saw that fairly clearly KamalaHarris's stellar performance in
terms of, you know, enthusiasminside the base, the fundraising
(32:29):
, the public, the publicinteractions, you know, the
rallies, the appearances onpodcasts and such.
And even with all of that andthe gazillion dollars in the
bank, she lost to Trump in everyswing state, even though the
deciding factor in the electionwas three swing states and a
(32:50):
couple hundred thousand votes.
And she performed about as wellas you could expect anyone to
in the circumstances, with ashort runway being thrust into
the national spotlight, thenomination a couple of months
ago, before the election.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
The thing is is I honestly believe that there was
too much money put into Project2025.
They were not going to let anyDemocrat win the presidency.
They went all in on that andthat bill was going to come due
on their investment period.
The only thing is that Kamalamade them spend more money than
they would have had to spendagainst Biden.
(33:27):
They just probably would haveshowed some old like some clips
of him like slipping or fallingoff his bike, but with Kamala
they had to.
They had to come out of theirpocket to the tune of they had
to go all in in a way that theyweren't expecting and I feel
also like it wasn't.
(33:50):
They weren't spending thatmoney to for Trump to win.
They were spending that money.
It was they wanted Kamala tolose.
It wasn't about Trump winning,it was about her losing.
They were focused on losing.
So they spent all of their timejust focusing on wedge issues
that they could relate to her orsomehow connect to her or the
(34:14):
Democratic Party in general youknow.
But because you know he reallydidn't have to to do anything
and because mainstream mediadoesn't show his bad shittery,
you know that it was like shewas running against another sane
person, which was the oppositeof true right you know, and well
(34:34):
, and it was just an issue likethere was the fact that, even
though trump wasn't theincumbent because Kamala Harris
hadn't won a presidentialelection Trump at that point
became the incumbent.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
And again, if you have even the sense of
incumbency, it isextraordinarily difficult as a
candidate for you to lose, eventhough Biden beat Trump by a
gazillion trillion votes in 2020.
And that was the thing.
So I don't think, largely, asfar as the 2024 election is
concerned, if Trump had stayedin office, biden had stayed in
(35:10):
the race, rather, and we hadn'thad that debacle of a media
implosion after the debate, Ithink Biden probably would have
won, just on the fact thatpeople are bored, they don't pay
attention to politics andpeople largely just vote for
whoever they voted for the lasttime.
And maybe you have some, youknow, the hyper-focused I don't
even know if this exists, but,like the hyper-focused and
(35:33):
hyper-informed, undecided voter,I don't even know if that's a
real demographic.
It's probably not.
You know, maybe you know thosepeople might have been swayed by
some of the informationRepublicans were putting out
there, but I think largely whathappened is the parties switched
candidates at the last secondand then a bunch of people who
(35:54):
voted for Biden in 2020 werelike oh, he's not on the ticket,
I guess I won't be voting.
And a bunch of people who'vealready voted for Trump once or
twice were like I guess I'lljust vote for Trump again, and
the numbers kind of pretty muchreflect that.
I just it was dumb.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Yeah, because he didn't really gain much.
It wasn't like he gained awhole swath of America.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
No, he was saying that there was a huge jump from
2016 to 2020 in, you know, seven, eight million voters, and then
he approved upon that numbermarginally with like two million
voters or so Two million, yeah,like two million votes.
Yeah, but again, you know, hadBiden been in the race, maybe
(36:36):
those 81 million voters wouldhave showed up again and cast.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
George Clooney's, and those people had not waffled
and turned their backs on himand the party stayed unified
because you know scenario, hecould have decided that he
wanted to resign and then we hadKamala anyway.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
But I mean, I think that would have done.
I mean, that too would havebeen a recipe for does that.
There was no outcome.
That would have been wheredemocrats could have been
victorious once the party split.
I mean, I think it was over atthat point and we talked about
that for like a month straighton this podcast.
I'm sure you know our listenersout there.
(37:18):
You retired hearing that shit.
You were like, can we just getBiden out of here so we can,
like, get back to business?
Well, we did that and you sawwhat happened and again, like at
that point, I mean, there was,there was no winning situation.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
We, we said that your business was to get your ass
behind Kamala motherfuckers.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Well, we tried to do that we tried to do that, but I
had warned people that, eventhough I so, I thought Kamala
Harris would win, and sheperformed where I thought I was.
She got a percentage.
She got just raw numbers, whatI thought she would have got.
But I just thought numerousTrump supporters wouldn't show
up and she would win justbecause Trump lost a poll.
(37:56):
That just turned out to not bethe case, and there was no
solution to that.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
And then you just throw in all those other
outliers like I said, thenon-committed and they knew that
they didn't need.
They knew they weren't going toreally peel off too much of the
black vote, but they knew inthose swing states if they could
peel off enough of thedisgruntled Arab and Muslim vote
(38:22):
, that would be all they neededto clinch, I mean they really
didn't even succeed in thatoutside of maybe Michigan
slightly.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Really, where they won is Trump just won a bigger
margin of white people.
White people decided theelection largely and you know
what Biden's superpower wasGetting white people to vote for
democrats.
It was insane.
I don't know why we gave thatup.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
That was that's that was a good point, and he has a
penis uh, yeah, well see, youknow, I think it's complicated.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
We'll have to talk about the implications of we did
have a white lady too.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Uh, switching.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
There was a time well then, the white lady got more
votes than a white guy, but noone wants to talk about that,
they just failed her too yeah,well, that's michigan.
God damn it.
Get it together up there y'all.
Detroit, I know y'all are onthe ball, but the rest of the
state man, this shit is likeoutside of detroit.
Michigan is like kentucky it's,it's, it's, that is true, but
(39:21):
then not every fucking.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Even blue states like pretty much people forget about
this.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Come on, you got atlanta.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
You got cobb county and then you got marjorie taylor
green.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
So I mean atlanta is a totally separate.
It's a.
It's a different planetcompared to the rest of georgia.
But yeah, like you said, in thenorth, like blue states oh,
blue states are like that too.
Once you get out of these metroareas and their surrounding
suburbs, it gets real wild outthere, except, unlike the South,
in the rural areas.
(39:52):
There are no Black people inthe rural areas up North.
It ain't.
No, we don't kick it up thereout there in a while.
We don't do it.
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