November 27, 2024 • 62 mins
Can a former president evade accountability, or are the walls closing in? Join us as we tackle the sprawling implications of the special counsel's decision to temporarily dismiss charges against Trump related to January 6th. We speculate on the potential for a self-pardon and the hurdles it might face in the Supreme Court. With state-level investigations continuing to swirl around attempts to overturn the 2020 election, we ponder the future political landscape and whether Trump can sidestep these challenges if he re-enters office. Our exploration doesn’t stop there, as we venture into the world of Trump's massive deportation proposals, drawing chilling historical parallels and assessing their feasibility.
Trade wars on the horizon? We cast a spotlight on Trump's tariffs on imports from Mexico, Canada, and China, dissecting their potential to disrupt the global economy. The conversation shifts to Merrick Garland's Department of Justice and the persistent struggles to hold Trump accountable, even imagining Garland as a Supreme Court justice and the ripple effects of such a scenario. Amidst this, we scrutinize the role of media in shaping perceptions of Trump, questioning whether networks like MSNBC and CNN have inadvertently elevated his profile by turning his presidency into a spectacle.
In a world dominated by powerful figures and shifting political loyalties, how do we navigate the noise? We critique the influence of tech moguls like Elon Musk and the uneasy alliances within political circles, all while addressing the serious issue of workplace harassment and its complex underpinnings. As we reflect on our journey through these dense topics, we can't help but chuckle at the unexpected turns our discussions have taken—proving sometimes the path to understanding is filled with twists and turns. Tune in for a thought-provoking ride through the maze of modern American politics.
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Speaker 1 (00:19):
One, two, three, four for the insurrection we will
never forget.
It's literally in the name ofthe podcast, um, so yeah, it's
been.
It's.
You know, every single week isa whirlwind around here, whether
it's election season or not,obviously.
I'm sure you're familiar withthe fact that jack smith,
special counsel, his office hasmoved to dismiss the charges
(00:40):
against trump in his january 6thcase without prejudice.
There's quite a fewimplications there,
theoretically speaking here.
If Trump were to leave office,that's a big if these charges
could be brought again.
But I imagine one of the thingsTrump would likely do while
he's in office is, we're neverhaving another fucking election
(01:01):
again.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
So so yeah, Look I having another fucking election
again.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
So, uh, yeah it.
You know, look, I assume thatwe'll have midterms in some
shape, form or fashion and,depending on how those go, uh,
if they go poorly, if they gosouth, that could be the end of
republicans ever leaving thewhite house.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Uh, but we're all going to die.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Yeah, that's if we don't, if we don't all die
before the 2028 election, if oneexists.
So theoretically here, becausethese charges are being
dismissed without prejudice,they could be brought against
Trump again should he leaveoffice.
But I assume Trump will likelytry to issue himself a pardon
once he's in office for any andall federal crimes.
(01:45):
Now, whether that pardon sticks, who knows?
That'll have to.
I mean, again, that'll be anissue should we ever end up in a
situation where Trump ischarged for crimes that he
committed before taking officeand then he'll get litigated up
to the Supreme Court.
But as you've seen, with thecomplexion of the Supreme Court
(02:05):
as it's currently constructed,they're going to bail him out,
Even though you know theprinciple of the rule of law in
this country is no man should behis own judge and jury.
So theoretically you'd have toargue that pardon is something
you grant to someone else, notsomething you can do for
yourself.
It's President of the UnitedStates.
(02:28):
But the Supreme Court can makeany kind of rules they want to,
just like they made uppresidential immunity out of
thin air, even though in theconstitution it says the
president shall shall faithfullyexecute the law and be above it
.
Um, but in terms of trump'spossible liability for
attempting to overturn the 2020election illegally.
While federal prosecution isnot an option, state crimes are
(02:52):
still on the table and there area number of states still
continuing along in theirinvestigation.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
And Alan Bragg said he's not dropping the case.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
So yeah, so well.
That's slightly different, butwe'll get to that.
You know, states decide tocharge Trump for attempting to
forge fake electors certificatesto steal the election.
They likely won't ever be in aposition to take him to trial
because I'm sure the SupremeCourt will postpone those cases
(03:37):
until he's no longer in office.
And if he is charged by evenonce I mean, I imagine, even
given that he's currently facingcriminal prosecution already
under indictment in Georgia he'snever leaving office, at least
not willingly, at least notalive in one way or the other
Until he, well, until he dies.
(03:58):
Exactly, Big Mac if you'relistening, if you're listening.
Now, yeah, fingers crossed,fingers crossed.
You know cholesterol will takehim out before we even get close
.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
McDonald's.
You got one job.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Yeah, and he's not looking too great here lately.
Anyway, His health looks likeit's questionable as we speak
again, and he didn't release anymedical information over the
course of the election.
No one cares, but again, justTrump always manages to flout
norms and seeming rules ofpolitics and pays no political
(04:34):
consequences whatsoever, Also interms of holding Trump
accountable.
So it is theoretically possiblethat the Trump administration
will go so far beyond you know,reasonably sane, but obviously
they're going to be insane butgo so far beyond the pale in
terms of egregious behavior thathe could be impeached.
(04:56):
Now, again, Republicans holdthe House and Senate slim
majorities in both and theSenate slim majorities in both.
So the likelihood of thathappening is slim, but it's a
non-zero number and it's worthconsidering again, considering
what Trump has planned as soonas he gets office, starting with
these mass deportations whichin reality because deporting a
(05:18):
million people a year, even amillion people a year, is nearly
impossible.
There's just no practical meansto do it, and also you have
nowhere to send these people.
And so, as the Nazis discoveredwhen they tried to deport I
don't mean to give away this,but as the Nazis discovered when
they tried to deport a millionJews in Hitler's Germany- who
(05:39):
was going to accept them?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Who was going to take them?
Yeah, and that's what peopledon't even like, realize, like,
okay, every country isn't adeportation country.
They don't always accept, theydon't many of them Venezuela,
cuba, haiti, of course they'renot deportation countries, so
(06:01):
they don't accept deportationplans.
So no, but that's why, um, youknow, they're building the
fucking jaeger styleconcentration camps in texas
yeah, that is the ultimatesolution that the nazis came to.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
There was, like we have nowhere to send these
people, all right, send them offto work camps and concentration
camps.
And you know again thequote-unquote final solution.
No pun intended, there were theovens.
So in all likelihood, trump'splans to round up millions of
people and deport them toanywhere, because that part's
(06:43):
not going to happen, is going toresult in people being forced
into camps.
That's just what it's going tobe now again, obviously you know
the people trump, or trump, ishiring.
They're largely incompetent,they're going to fumble this and
they probably won't evensuccessfully round up a million
people.
But hey, they, they couldtheoretically get a hundred
thousand over the course of ayear.
(07:03):
And and those people got to gosomewhere.
And it ain't going to be prettywhen it happens.
And you know again, who knowswhat kind of atrocities Trump's
going to commit while he's inoffice.
That will bring to bearpolitical pressure on a handful
of Republicans in the House toopen an impeachment inquiry.
And you know the likelihood ofthat resulting in a successful
(07:26):
conviction in the senate is low.
But again, it's a non-zerochance.
We were a handful of votes awayfrom convicting trump in his
second impeachment after january6th, but mitch mcconnell told a
few of them to hold off and hedid so.
Um, a lot of people out thereupset with mayor garland, jack
(07:49):
smith, etc.
For not holding trumpaccountable and, like I, while I
get your frustrations, I wouldsay trump was indicted twice by
mayor garland's department ofjustice like not one time, but
two times, and the it's not theonly reason, but a major reason
why Trump didn't face eithercriminal, with Alito Roberts and
(08:10):
Clarence Thomas doing their-.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
You know what?
Now, looking back and I look atMerrick Garland and I think
maybe he wouldn't have been thebest choice for the Supreme
Court.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
He would have been better than he would have been
better than any of Trump's picks.
Well, so next week, what I'mgoing to do is for the people
who are.
You know, merrick Garlandcritics in generally the
criticism levied against him.
I find it be unreasonable, notnot because he's above criticism
, it's just the specifics of thecriticism, like you know.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
But I do wish that garland would have made any kind
of statement though, because heknows the criticism that's
coming down on him right now, orwhatever.
But if he would have made anystatement to say, like I, I
(09:34):
dropped the bag, like I would,or okay or even just to assuage
any fears or whatever.
I mean he?
He said he was going to hold.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Trump accountable.
He charged him twice.
And look so next week, when Ihave the opportunity, I will put
together a list of 10 thingsMary Garland could have done
differently that people actuallyreally don't spend enough time
talking about, if at all.
People are just like.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Mary.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Garland should have done this and that and the
things that they wanted him todo wouldn't have changed the
outcome at all.
Now again, the things that hepossibly could have done to end
up in a different situation maynot have been successful, but it
would have been an opportunity.
Probably a better opportunityin hindsight, given what we know
now.
Probably a better opportunityin hindsight given what we know
now but if he still hadaddressed us to say what exactly
(10:31):
?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
you know what is he?
Okay, I don't know.
I don't know what you want himto say people feel like they
need to hear from him Anything,anything to say like, hey, this
is why we did blah blah blah,this is why we didn't do blah
(10:55):
blah blah, but to feel like he'sat least aware.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
One thing about specifics of the investigation
is, generally speaking, theattorney general cannot talk
about specific actions taken orinternal debate and really only
the charges at hand and how DOJpolicy interacts with that.
But look again, I know peoplewant reassurance, but that's not
like that's not always feasiblefor an attorney general to do.
(11:24):
Uh, when talking about specificcases and that's that's one of
the hang-ups of the departmentof justice like if obviously
trump's attorney general isgoing to do whatever the fuck he
wants to and break the rulesand and whatnot.
I mean that's you know.
Again, if you don't like thatset of circumstances, we should
have just got more people tovote for comrade Harris.
(11:47):
But Eric Merrick Garland doestry to do things by the book.
And again, like there are thingsthat I wanted Merrick Garland
to do that he could have done,that possibly could have
resulted in Trump being inprison before the election took
place, took place, but it's nota sure thing.
And also the Supreme Court madeit clear once they stepped in,
(12:08):
first of all delaying theprosecution of Trump in DC and
then ultimately granting himpresidential immunity for any
acts that intersect with hisofficial responsibilities as
president, and also the partwhere they basically changed the
rules of evidence where youcouldn't even use any evidence
(12:30):
of his actions in court, whetherhe was being charged for them
or not.
That opened the door for like,regardless of what Jack Smith
did after that in court, even ifthose charges had been brought
a year earlier, if we got thatsame decision.
Well, so any decision that thespecial counsel made in terms of
(12:50):
what evidence he wanted to useagainst Trump, trump could
appeal that.
It would end up back in theSupreme Court, delayed for
months again.
So the only way that we weregoing to get Trump in prison in
2024 was to win the election.
That's just what it comes downto.
In that regard, there wasnothing really to Jack Smith.
(13:10):
But again, I do have something.
There is something that Ibelieve that Merrick Garland and
later on Jack Smith likelycould have done to prevent that
whole scenario, but we'll savethat again for next week.
So if we do want Trump to beheld accountable for any of his
criminal activity, the mostlikely pathway we're going to
(13:32):
have for that is stateprosecutions, and the only way
we're going to get those is ifhe's pushed out of office by
impeachment likely becausethere's no way he's leaving even
after the next election.
He's just not going to do.
It's not going to happen.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
We're having no more elections so let me ask you d yo
what's your program fit?
My who oh, what am I wearing?
Speaker 1 (13:57):
what am I wearing to the camps, man?
I don't know, man, don't theymake us wear all gray?
Uh, yeah, we'll probably havelike uniforms or something,
although, again, I don't evenknow if we'll be allowed to have
uniforms, because they won't beable to afford them.
That's true with all the tariffs, so um again.
So in case you missed it, trumpannounced that he will in fact
(14:21):
be placing tariffs on everyimported good from Mexico,
canada and China.
On his first day in office.
That sent the stock marketfutures into a tumble.
He's already taking the economybefore he's even in office.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
I already took money out of my 401k because I was
like I need to figure out whatto do with my yeah, do I need to
?
Speaker 1 (14:43):
just go ahead and try .
Do I need to roll it over to awith my?
I work too hard for this shit.
Yeah, do I need to just goahead and try?
Do I need to roll it over to aRoth account or something?
I'm going to have to get somefinancial advice before the
year's over to figure out whatto do before the economy crashes
.
Because when he was in officethe first time by the end of his
presidency, my 401k was just aone.
There was no four, there was noO, there was no K.
(15:09):
That bitch said one.
It was terrible.
Yeah, it was rough out there.
I was looking at it.
I actually I had to stoplooking at it.
I stopped looking at it at theend, you know, the middle, I
don't know.
Somewhere in midst of pandemic,I was like I just can't even
look at this no more.
Yeah, and then I didn't look atit again until like 2023, um,
(15:31):
because it just it hurt myfeeling so bad, uh, yeah, so
again, you know anyone out thereplanning on retiring in the
near future.
I would suggest you amend thoseplans, uh, and anyone who wants
to figure out what to do withtheir 401ks.
Can we come up with a plantogether because I ain't got no
answers.
But yeah, so trump's gonnatariff uh, you know nearly
(15:56):
everything to some fashion fromthose three countries, if not
others.
I I can't remember the exactnumbers, maybe 25% from Mexico
or something like that.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Yeah, 25% for Mexico and Canada and like 10% on China
, in addition to whatever thealready tariffs are.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Yeah, so maybe up to 35% in the form of tariffs on
goods imported from China.
Now I know what you're probablythinking.
You know you don't reallyactually.
You know I can't imagine a lotof people out here looking at
macro economic trends, but theamount of goods we import from
those three countries combinedevery year is over a trillion
(16:37):
dollars.
He's, he's about, he's about toadd a fucking.
He's about to add a fucking$250 billion tax.
Oh my God, it's insane.
And then, of course, the tariffsaren't just a one-off in this
regard, because we're not justgoing to tax the goods that are
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imported from these countries.
These countries are also goingto issue retaliatory tariffs.
So instead of us paying highertaxes on goods from other
countries, they're also going totax our goods at their port of
entry, which means Americancompanies will make less revenue
(17:22):
because the goods will be moreexpensive and likely there will
be lower demand, which meanshe's hurting our economy both
ways.
So the tariffs are adouble-edged sword, but in the
worst way, where it hurts us,cutting well, it cuts us both,
going and coming.
So if you're ready for theeconomy to collapse, I got good
(17:42):
news for you You're about to getyour wish.
It's going to be hard out herefor like a long time.
It's going to be hard out herefor a pimp If we theoretically
yeah, it's tough If we do happento have elections sometime in
the future.
You know, after the Trumppresidency, whatever Democrat
(18:03):
gets that job.
After the Trump presidency,whatever Democrat gets that job,
as for all of the Democratsbefore him or her, they're going
to have a humongous mess toclean up.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
It's going to be a lot and of course I live here on
the border where of coursetrade is super important here on
the border.
You don't say so, say this shitis about to get motherfucking
wild, like it's going to becrazy as fuck here.
Yeah, because literally, theyliterally make the fucking the
(18:40):
windmills I see them comingacross the border every fucking
day like we have.
There are in Mexico, well, noteven in Mexico.
In Juarez, just over thefucking bridge, there are 300
maquilladores, which are the youknow plants, plants.
(19:04):
90 of them are fortune 500companies, which are american
companies.
Right, so you've got 90 fuckingcompanies over here and you're
doing this bullshit or whatever.
Like David, my fucking husband,his dad.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
When they came from New York, he was hired by
because he worked for GE oh wait.
And then his company.
Aren't they laying off a lot ofemployees?
Yeah, ge, oh wait.
And speaking of GE, aren't theylaying off a lot of employees?
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
He was put in charge of the company there.
Him for working for GE, ge.
So him coming from fuckingupstate New York to come down
here to be in charge of a plant,there is the head of GE.
That's how David ended up beinghere.
(20:13):
So, yeah, this shit's about toget fucking wild as fuck it's
rough.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
And then if Trump does something crazy at the
border with Mexico, I mean itwould be sadly ironic if Mexico
decided to close down the borderto Americans.
It would be funny.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
And Claudia Scheinbaum when she was there
they've already been deportingAmericans.
They're like, oh, youoverstayed your visa expats or
whatever.
They're like, oh, youoverstayed your visa expats or
whatever.
But she was like I, I'm kind ofdigging her.
I wasn't sure at first abouther, but she was like, oh,
(20:56):
what's our uh solution to trumpsaying this there's yeah, we'll
just deport 2 million Americans.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yeah, go for it.
And she is, of course, thelesser of two evils.
You know people talk about thelesser of two eagles in
elections.
She is literally like, look,maybe she'll be good for Mexico
in like a broad sense.
But uh, you know she is.
Basically she wants to help herparty maintain control in
(21:31):
mexico.
The same way republicans wantto maintain control here and
again yeah, I mean that's themorena party.
So yeah, again yes but, we'renot saying she's a hero, but
again, look, at least she'sgoing to, in all likelihood,
stand up to Trump in some waysthat might be meaningful, and
maybe other ways that might justbe for show, and she's possibly
(21:54):
just calling Trump's bluff, whoknows?
Hoping for the best, butprepare for the worst in every
sense when it comes to what thefuture Trump administration is
about to bring.
So, there was breaking newstoday, as it was reported that
oh shit, what did I miss?
(22:14):
Israel reached a ceasefire Justthe wrong war.
So they reached an agreementthat was partially negotiated by
President Biden'sadministration that created a
ceasefire in Lebanon.
And here's President Bidentalking about just that.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
Today I have some good news report from the Middle
East.
I just spoke with the primeMinister of Israel and Lebanon.
I'm pleased to announce thattheir governments have accepted
the United States' proposal toend the devastating conflict
between Israel and Hezbollahyeah, so good news in that
(23:03):
regard.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Now I would say, like a lot of people, like, well,
why can't you?
You know, okay, he negotiated aceasefire with gaza.
Um, so that's more complicated.
But part of the reason whyisrael reached this agreement is
because they basicallysucceeded in reaching all their
military strategic operationsand plans.
(23:27):
All of those were effective.
They reached every goal theyset in terms of basically
reducing the possibility ofHezbollah pursuing any kind of
serious arm conflict for theforeseeable future.
They decapitated the leadership,uh, with that, those, those
explosive devices planted in thepagers.
(23:48):
That was crazy.
They basically reached everysingle goal they set forth when
they started these major, youknow large-scale operations
against has bella a few monthsago.
And once you know mission wascomplete, they're like all right
, it's time for a peace deal.
Now the reason why they haven'treached a ceasefire agreement
in Gaza is a lot morecomplicated.
(24:09):
But part of that is because,well, the military goals that
they've set forth in terms ofremoving Hamas from Gaza are
impossible.
It's not something that can bedone militarily and also, even
if it were possible I meantheoretically three or four or
five months into the war, therewas a path forward to basically
(24:32):
removing Gaza from control.
The problem is, netanyahuwanted to drag this war out on
purpose, and that's exactly whatthey're going to do.
Yeah, yeah, because they keptthe elections from happening
yeah, well, and then they, everytime they would capture some
territory, they would cedecontrol of it back to Hamas,
(24:54):
just by basically just dallyingaround.
They had no real intentions ofensuring this war came to a
quick close and that is largelythe responsibility and the
outright plan by Netanyahu.
And now they're in a situationwhere there is no way to achieve
a military victory and, look, Idon't know what the situation
(25:18):
will be going forward.
I'm sure Trump's probably notgoing to help them negotiate a
ceasefire.
I would imagine this war isgoing to go on indefinitely
until Gaza is likely annexed.
But again, you know, no onecares that Trump was calling
Netanyahu behind the scenes andencouraging him to drag out this
war to hurt Biden and thenKamala Harris's chances of
(25:39):
winning the election.
No one cares about that.
But you know again, biden's beenworking on this for months.
It's hard to do that and besuccessful when your cohort is
working in bad faith.
But he did get the job done inLebanon once Israel achieved its
military objective.
So I guess kudos to him.
(25:59):
Pat him on the back achievedits military objective.
So I guess kudos to him, pathim on the back, you know again,
if it were me, once you push meout of the election, I'd be
like, all right, I'm putting mytwo weeks notice in.
I'm going on vacation, but bynow he's working.
He's been working ever since.
I mean I'm sure he's doingthings behind the scenes as we
speak to try and protect ourfederal government from a second
(26:21):
Trump term, but I mean I don'tknow necessarily what it is that
he can do in terms ofprotecting the American people,
but I'm sure he's makingarrangements with our allies
around the world at least try toprotect some of our classified
information and possibly theprotection of, you know, future
alliances that Trump maythreaten just once he's in
(26:42):
office.
Because he has a tendency to gooverboard with his love of our
enemies and also, simultaneously, constantly attack our allies
and ruin our allyships.
So I'm sure Biden's doing whathe can Again.
The problem here is, thesituation is just.
(27:02):
It's just drastically.
It's so drasticallyunmanageable that the only real
solution to all of theseproblems was to never let Trump
win a second election, and wefailed to do that.
You know I can't blame Bidenfor that.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
That was on the American people.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
We didn't make the right decision and you know
there are many reasons why theelection turned out in the
fashion that it did, but largelyit's because people are stupid
and I can tell you how stupidpeople are because one of the
things in terms of Googlesearches that hit record highs
after the election was a searchfor the term tariffs tariffs
(27:47):
yeah, you got.
You voted for the.
I can't, I can't, but peoplevoted for the tariff guy without
knowing what a tariff is.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
No, I, I can't.
And the fucking realizationthat people are like oh my god,
the affordable care act,andamacare, is the same fucking
thing.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Oh my God, I hate these people Speaking of
right-wing morons engaging intotal ignorance.
The Trump transition team ishaving a rough time.
It's just it's not going overthere.
Speaker 7 (28:18):
We are following more breaking news involving the
president-elect.
Sources tell CNN that Trump'slawyers are investigating
allegations that a top aidesought to gain financially from
his influence with thepresident-elect.
Speaker 6 (28:29):
We have CNN's Sarah Murray on this.
Sarah, tell us what you'relearning.
Well, we're learning thatlawyers for Trump have been
investigating whether BorisEpstein sought to gain
financially from his access toDonald Trump and others in
Trump's orbit.
Now, this is something, thisinternal investigation that was
confirmed to me, Kristen Holmesand our colleague, Kate Sullivan
(28:49):
, by half a dozen sources.
Again, this is an internalinvestigation.
This is not a criminalinvestigation.
In one instance, though, theinvestigators looking into this
learned that Boris Epsteinrequested as much as $100,000
per month in exchange for hisservices.
In one of these instances and Iwant to tell you what Boris
Epstein said in response to thisreporting.
He said I am honored to workfor President Trump and his team
(29:13):
.
These fake claims are false anddefamatory and will not
distract us from making Americagreat again.
Not distract us from makingAmerica great.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Okay, so those claims are probably absolutely true,
but the reason they're becomingpublic is not because Epstein is
a grifter trying to sell accessto Trump.
Many people were doing that inthe first Trump administration
and have been doing it eversince.
Part of what's going on here isturmoil within the inner circle
here, because you know, look,everyone bought access to trump
(29:42):
in terms of trying to fund hispresidential campaign and now
that trump won, there's a viefor power to be the shadow
president, or, you know, one ofthe shadow presidents pulling
the strings um of trump in hiscohorts, um, and not everyone's
getting along over there inmagalan, in borscht.
Epstein, it's going to be oneof the first casualties here, um
, and so obviously it's not acriminal investigation.
(30:04):
These are like internal trumptransition lawyers doing this
investigation, but really, whatthis is is a move to get epstein
out of the picture.
Now, epstein's connected totrump's theft and illegal
retainment of classifieddocuments and also connected to
january 6th in numerous ways.
So I would imagine in terms of,like, what information epstein
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can hold over trump in order tostay in his good graces and and
not be expelled from the nexttrump administration.
He's probably got a few aces uphis sleeve and maybe a joker and
a queen and a jag and a two.
They got a deuce up there, uhso, but you know, we always knew
one of the issues that wasgoing to just be, is going to be
(30:51):
, a hurdle for trump to try andget a lot of the worship that he
wants done, and not onlybecause you know the people
around him are incompetent, butthis is.
But it's impossible for them towork together, and that's not
even counting the fact thatTrump simply likes to pit his I
don't even really know what tocall them his stooges against
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each other.
So it's going to be a lot moreinfighting.
I mean, they're already goingat Elon Musk.
Trump's sick of his face.
He's been in every day there atMar-a-Lago since the election
was over.
He'd be there every day.
Every day He'd be on Twitterdoing drugs and chilling at
Mar-a-Lago.
It was crazy.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Elon has not left his fucking side.
Somebody called him the firstbuddy.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
They was calling him the first buddy of the United
States first buddy, that'sperfect cause he won't leave
Trump's side.
But yeah, I expect expect moreturmoil in the Trump transition
team and once Trump takes office, Rachel Maddow is going to need
a new board with all the Trumptransition team.
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And once Trump takes office,Rachel Maddow is going to need a
new board with all the Trumpemployees or appointments and
the Trump officials that getfired or quit their jobs.
Because in the first four yearsthat list just got longer and
longer and the board was big atfirst and it had like 20 names
on it and then they would zoomout and then it was like 40 and
then it would get even smallerand it would be like 100 people.
(32:23):
Yeah, it was wild.
I was going to need a new board.
She's going to have to startoff with board number two
because of all the people he'sgoing to have to get rid of
because of the infighting andthe incompetence and you know
the backstabbing and of course,there's going to be an endless
amount.
One thing that I can say theBiden administration and like, I
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don't necessarily believe thatleaks are bad per se, but one
thing the Biden administrationdidn't have a lot of was leaks.
Occasionally you had peoplegoing on background, you know,
talking about gossip, butnothing serious in terms of like
what's going on behind thescenes and the Biden
administration, the Trumpadministration it was just
nonstop leaks.
Kellyanne Conway, in particular, was quite known for leaking an
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extraordinary amount ofinformation to the press about
Trump scandals and Trumpadministration scandals.
So I'm sure there's going to bea new Kellyanne Conway.
We don't know who it is yet,but someone's going to be
disgruntled with their positionamongst the ranks and they're
going to be leaking to the pressconstantly.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
It's going to be a whole ass mess.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Yeah, it's definitely going to be.
I mean, yes, in every way forthe country and for Trump
himself, it's going to be rough.
But you know, look, I mean thisis what people voted for, in
saying it like we saw it thefirst time and they people got
like a four-year hiatus.
They forgot how good they haveit and how bad it was.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
They chose it like oh , I want some more of that yeah,
people's memories are fuckingshort, so short.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Um.
So yeah, beyond the Trumpcampaign, the Trump transition
in a turmoil Elon Musk's dad hadsome comments about.
Elon's current legacy here.
Speaker 8 (34:17):
May was a slightly heavier built girl.
Ok, may was a slightly heavierbuilt girl, okay.
And actually what happened waswe broke up when she was in
final year and no, wait a minutewhen we were going out.
Yeah, she was still going out.
(34:37):
Her parents, by the way, werevery fanatical in favor of
apartheid.
This is quite interesting.
Her parents came to southafrica from canada because they
sympathized with that, with theafrikaner government.
They used to support hitler andand all that sort of stuff.
But they didn't know, obviouslyI don't think they knew what
the germans would, the naziswere doing, but they, they in
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canada, they were the in theNazi, they were in the German
party in Canada and theysympathized with the Germans.
So when the Afrikanersgovernment came into power here
in 1948, then May's father whowas quite an interesting guy, he
was a very good pilot he saidhe wants to be with the
afrikaners because he agreeswith apartheid.
(35:23):
You see, you see what I mean,yeah, and he came out here with
his family okay, long storyshort there.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Um, elon musk, elon musk maternal grandparents were
fucking nazis, um, and you cansee why.
And that had quite an effect onhis mom.
She's a right-wing nut job andit appears as though, um, you
know, they moved to south africabecause they were like, yeah,
apartheid's fucking awesome.
So if you're wondering whatkind of, just what kind of
lineage elon musk hails from,yeah, let's go there, because
(35:54):
they got apartheid yeah, so youknow elon musk taking a sharp
right wing turn here.
Not only was it predictable,he's he's always been far right
wing, he's just been hiding itthis entire time.
So it's not surprising that hewould like again, he would want
to align himself with thepresidential candidate.
That's the most like Hitlerthat we know.
(36:16):
People title that fuckingperson but the presidential
candidate in the United States,that's most like Hitlerler,
since hitler not surprising, notnot surprising at all in that
regard.
And I totally expect him to tryand implement some form of
apartheid here is probably whyhe left south america.
He was like damn, thisapartheid thing is, is, uh, you
know it's for the birds here.
(36:37):
It's about to be on its way out.
Let me hop on over here to theamericas.
Make me some money.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Let's say we can do that a part-time thing.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Yeah, yeah you're gonna try and do the same shit
here.
Uh, yeah, and then, like youknow, look the people on the
idiots on.
You know, formerly known astwitter, now currently known as
x-chan, I talk about how elonmusk is a proponent of free
speed, so how can he be a Nazi?
Hey, let me tell you.
Let me tell you how this Nazism, nazism shit works in regards
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to free speech.
See the way the U Sconstitution, uh, the way it
embodies free speech is in theidea that the government can't
persecute you for the things yousay.
It does not mean that there arenot consequences for the things
you say, but the way these nutjobs trying to co-opt the
argument is well, we're Nazisand we should have the freedom
(37:32):
to speak about being Nazis andno one else should be able to
complain about it.
But the problem there is, thewhole idea behind being, like
you know, a neo-Nazi, fascisttype is that eventually you want
to suppress the free speech ofothers if they don't want to
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become a Nazi, and if you allowthat to continue on like an
online platform, at some point,what have is a nazi platform and
then all the normal peopleleave.
And that's why I and, look, youknow, social media websites
have been dealing with thissince the beginning of social
media right, and that's why,generally speaking, every
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platform comes to the sameconclusion about regulating hate
speech and whatnot.
It's because if you don't stampit out, what happens is the
normal people leave, theadvertisers go and your platform
becomes 4chan or, in this case,xchan.
Um, so yeah, like, the freespeech argument isn't about
protecting people's right to notbe persecuted by the government
(38:39):
for what they say.
It's about emboldening andempowering the worst possible
voices and giving them aplatform in order to spread hate
.
And again, like, that's just notwhat the idea of free speech is
.
I mean, it's not even remotelyrelated to the principle of free
speech.
But again, you know, elon's aNazi.
(39:00):
When he bought the platform, hereturned the worst possible
people who had been banned fromthere and gave them not only
access to their accounts,unbanned their accounts, but he
also boosted their accounts sothey're able to spread their
shit even more far and wide thanthey had previously been able
(39:22):
to.
So, yeah, fuck that guy.
Fuck elon's version of streetfree speech.
It ain't about free speech.
Yeah, it's about promotingfucking fascist.
Uh, and again, you know he'sjust carrying on the legacy of
his grandparents there.
I hate that guy.
You know we ain't done shitholeof the week in months, for a
(39:43):
couple of reasons largelybecause he would win it every
week.
He quickly, quickly shot up tothe top of the list of nominees
for the shithole of the.
You know, I think this is yeartwo of the Donald J Trump
shithole of the year award thathe'll be receiving in January.
(40:04):
So, like we is no point, it washim every week.
Every week, he was doing someinsane shit or saying some
insane shit, you know,kidnapping black people to
canvas for Trump and throwingthem in vans and driving them
across the state lines and whatcould be considered a form of
(40:24):
human trafficking.
I'm sure that's still underinvestigation in Pennsylvania,
or maybe that was Michigan, Ican't remember.
But also, you know the lottery.
That wasn't a lottery where hewas paying people basically a
million dollars to vote forTrump.
Really is what he was doing.
Vote for Trump really is whathe was doing.
He was encouraging people toregister.
(40:45):
Well, actually it was only opento people who were registered
to vote, which is basically anillegal election lottery, just
like this guy in every singlefucking term is doing some
terrible shit.
Now there's also some strife inthe campaign with Elon.
Now it appears as though VivekRamaswamy has prioritized cuts
to federal subsidies forelectric vehicle companies,
(41:06):
which would directly impact Elon, like Elon's.
Hey, we need to stop all thisgovernment spending.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
And Trump, literally at every rally, said how much he
hated EVs.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
He made a joke one time about Elon's cars exploding
and his rockets.
It was pretty good.
Pretty good Again.
And Trump was only cohortingaround with Elon because Elon
was willing to put hundreds ofmillions of dollars into
basically a shallow campaign andtry and help Trump win.
And even though Trump hates hisass, he's got to put up with
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him because he's the money.
And you know that's whathappens when you get in bed
together with evil people,they'll eventually stab each
other in the back.
We don't have to worry aboutthat.
You know, if you weredowntrodden about the prospects
of a second Trump administration, at least you get to look
forward to Trump and everyonearound him trying to kill each
(42:04):
other.
That's going to be some funtimes.
So last week, joe Scarboroughand what's.
Mika's last name.
Mika I don't fuck her last name.
So morning, joe from MSNBC,along with his co-host and wife,
mika, made their pilgrimagedown to Mar-a-Lago in order to
(42:28):
break bread with Trump,presumably because they were
afraid of retaliation.
The presidency and is likely tocarry out vengeance against the
media and his adversaries,especially for people like Joe
and Mika, who empowered him in2016 on his way up to the
(42:49):
presidency and who quicklyturned tail, and they spent the
last couple of years here.
They've been detractors ofTrump.
I think that's fair to say, buthere are their comments about
the situation.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
Over the past week, joe and I have heard from so
many people, from politicalleaders to regular citizens,
deeply dismayed by several ofPresident-elect Trump's cabinet
selections, and they are scared.
Last Thursday, we expressed ourown concerns on this broadcast
and even said we wouldappreciate the opportunity to
speak with the president-electhimself.
(43:29):
On Friday, we were given theopportunity to do just that.
Joe and I went to Mar-a-Lago tomeet personally with
President-elect Trump.
It was the first time we haveseen him in seven years.
Speaker 7 (43:46):
Now we talked about a lot of issues, including
abortion, mass deportation,threats of political retribution
against political opponents andmedia outlets.
We talked about that a good bitand it's going to come as no
surprise to anybody who watchesthis show has watched it over
the past year or over the pastdecade that we didn't see eye to
(44:07):
eye on a lot of issues, and wetold him so.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
What we did agree on was to restart communications.
My father often spoke withworld leaders with whom he and
the United States profoundlydisagreed.
That's a task shared byreporters and commentators alike
.
We had not spoken to PresidentTrump since March of 2020.
(44:31):
Other than a personal call Joemade to Trump on the morning
after the attempt on his life inButler, Pennsylvania.
In this meeting, PresidentTrump was tearful.
He was upbeat.
He seemed interested in findingcommon ground with Democrats on
some of the most divisiveissues.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
And that's a fucking lie, as you can see here, before
the election.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
He was tearful, according to Micah.
So before the election,election, their whole goddamn
couch fuck, their couch fuck,fuck everything okay rick james,
yeah, so before the electionthey were they were clearly
willing to criticize trump andnow they turn tail.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
They they're cowards and as a result of that, I think
their viewership has droppedlike 35 40 percent um, since.
Good, yeah, oh, look, you knowI love that for them they
deserve it yes, treating youraudience as though they're
fucking stupid is and and likethey can't see through this
nonsense, you want to reopentalks with.
No, you just don't want him tofucking have you detained and
(45:37):
possibly executed live on airy'all some bitches Now generally
speaking, msnbc is consideredto be a left-leaning network and
it is only in the sense that ifyou're comparing it to CNN and,
obviously, fox News, you knowjust like Well, only if you're
like okay, you got George Reed,you got Richard Maddow and used
(46:01):
to be Joe ande and micah, butthey fuck them laurence
o'donnell, katie fay, you you dohave left wing or at the very
least left-leaning voices onmsnbc, but if you look at the
lineup, you might have noticedthis.
You've also got a bunch of I.
(46:21):
I really don't actually knowwhat to call them other than
like closet Republicans KatieTurd, for example who were
actually Trump supporters or atthe very least, they're
extraordinarily conservative intheir personal life, despite how
they may talk about things onthe air.
And if you're like an astuteobserver of MBSNBC and you watch
all their shows constantly, youcan pick out all of the
(46:43):
Trumpers.
I ain't got to point them outto you, you'll know them.
But so if you were thinkingthat, with the coming Trump
administration, that MSNBC isgoing to be some kind of bulwark
or some kind of check on theTrump administration in
reporting out the facts andmaking sure they try and hold
the Trump administrationaccountable, I got.
(47:05):
I got news for you it.
It's not going to happen.
They.
They'll half ass it.
You know.
Look, msnbc, and specificallyJoe and Mika here, are largely
responsible for Trump's rise topower in 2016.
So they enabled him quite a lot.
They gave him free airtime,they covered all his rallies.
(47:25):
They treated it like aspectacle instead of a danger to
democracy.
And they normalized Trump andyou know, a couple of years ago,
even though he lost theelection I think it's been about
two years now as though thenetwork made a pivot to try and
make it seem as though Trump wasa viable candidate, despite the
fact that a lot of his actions,including attempting to extort
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Ukraine and investigating theBiden family, and also the coup
on January 6th, the mishandlingof COVID, like all, like the
sexual assault conviction, thecriminal fraud conviction in New
York They've since decided topretend as though those should
not be factors when it comes toelecting a presidential
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candidate in office.
And they've spent the last twoyears or so normalizing Trump.
Now, it's not every host at NBC, but it's been a significant
portion.
In the way that news coverageis framed, the way these stories
are framed, the way Trump hastalked about, the way he's
covered, they've done a greatdisservice, considering they
(48:30):
were supposedly held up as, likethe left wing counter to Fox
News.
Now, not in terms of being thepropaganda network, but just
countering the propaganda fromthe right.
They've done a poor job in thatregard.
I've got numerous complaintsabout them, too many to tackle
in a single, probably a seriesof podcasts.
But again, if you were thinkingthat those people are going to
(48:52):
be the ones to save us, you'vegot another thing coming.
Don't count on it Now.
Another mistake that MSNBC andeven CNN has made is in their
attempts to normalize Trump andpresent him as a viable
candidate, which inevitablyhelped propel him to an
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electoral victory for the secondtime, despite the fact that
he's a convicted criminal andfraudster.
Insurrectionist.
All of that, I'm assuming one ofthe motivations here is like,
if you know anything aboutmainstream media companies,
especially those who, primarilytheir revenue is generated by
cable, so just in terms of justgenerally speaking, cable
(49:37):
subscriptions are declining.
Whether people watch these showsor not has never really been a
factor.
Just the fact that you own acable box or a satellite service
provider, you're putting moneyin these networks' pocket.
Now, with the advent ofstreaming and internet services
and connectivity cablesubscriptions, they're subsiding
(49:59):
, they're decreasing at a rapidrate, which means revenue for
these companies is taking atremendous hit, and they are
likely in a position where ifTrump hadn't won the election or
at least what they wouldbelieve is if Trump hadn't won
the election people wouldn't beturning into the news, which
means their ratings would begoing down.
They're also not getting thisrevenue from massive cable
(50:19):
subscriptions, so theypresumably thought that a Trump
presidency would be good forratings and therefore good for
revenue, and would keep the cashcow going for a little bit
longer.
The mistake they've made isthat, now that Trump has been
elected president, people arelike, oh well, fuck it, yeah,
(50:40):
we're just going to let it burn.
I'm not going to be checkingthe news fucking every day.
The shit is just going to go tohell.
I'm checking out and this islike just the average news
viewer and in that regard, cablenews viewership, at least in
terms of CNN and MSNBC, isnearing a record low.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
I think they've lost 30 percent of their view at 25,
30% of their view.
Speaker 1 (51:04):
Yeah, like it dropped substantially, substantially,
yeah.
So the calculation that theymade that Trump is going to be
their cash cow, it appears tonot be paying off.
People have already juststarted to tune out the news.
They don't give a fuck, and Ithink it's because they
correctly identify that the rolethat MSNBC and especially CNN
have or have had here recently,in terms of just sane washing
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Trump and all of his horrificscandals and horrific behavior
and insane promises of whathe'll do in the second Trump
administration, from the debatewith joe biden on and on, it's
just endless, endless examplesthat you could be, I could
provide you with well, you knowlike people people are at this
point.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
They're over it.
They are fucking over it.
They are fucking over umfucking mainstream media and
what they've been doing and whatthey're saying.
We're like you know what.
You're not gonna gaslight usanymore.
You're not going to um try andbullshit us anymore.
(52:18):
We're done, yeah, we're done.
We're done, fuck it.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
Completely.
I've been done.
I can tell you, since theelection I've barely tuned in to
any mainstream media.
I check out Katie Fang becausethat's my girl.
I'll check out Rachel I loveher, I love her.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
Yeah, that's my girl.
Uh, you know, I'll, I'll checkout her.
Speaker 1 (52:41):
I love her.
Yeah, that's my girl.
Um, uh, you know laurenceo'donnell, he'd be doing his
thing at night.
He is one, one of the few hoststhat likely will not be holding
back over the course of thenext however many years trump is
in office.
And you know, rachel maddowworks on Monday.
She, like you know the the starwork, the star of MSNBC that
(53:02):
everyone holds up, is like thisyou know, person who keeps,
keeps it real and tries to keepthe Trump administration in
check in the most importanttimes of our lives in terms of
the 2024 election.
She was like you know what?
I think, think I'm just gonnawork one day a week.
Speaker 2 (53:20):
So, yeah, yeah, all right, so you're obviously what
I saw too, like where she took afive million dollar a year pay
cut to keep doing what the fuckshe's doing, which I I have
nothing but mad respect for that.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
Well, yeah, look, I mean if you cut your work week
by 70 percent, or yeah, no, ifyou cut your work week by 80
percent and you make twenty fivemillion dollars a year and you
only take a 20 percent pay cut.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
You know what I don't hate it.
I will.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
No, no, you know what In fact?
Get your money, rachel, and cutyour hours down.
Now, look, rachel, she's notout here, just not doing shit.
She puts together these podcastseries.
She's working on movie scriptsI think she had some input on
(54:18):
the Apprentice movie about trumpand all these other things that
she's doing on the side workson all these side projects books
and such but also uh, it wasreally a super important
election here and you was on tvone day a week when you used to
be on tv5.
So, you know, I wouldn'tnecessarily say rachel is out
here.
I mean, you know, look, I again.
(54:39):
This is not a criticism ofrachel, but I just wouldn't
necessarily say Rachel is outhere.
I mean, you know, look, I again.
This is not a criticism ofRachel, but I just wouldn't hail
her as the hero that we allneed when she's like.
Speaker 2 (54:45):
I'm not saying that either, but she's like I'm gonna
take this, I'm gonna take thisL here, and that's not something
that you see a lot of so I'mstill gonna still give her I'm
willingness to give her propsfor that kudos to her for taking
the pay cut, because thecontract is the contract, but
(55:07):
and she didn't have to take apay cut.
Speaker 1 (55:09):
She chose to in order to help, presumably, her
employees, although, look, Idon't really know what like the
deal is with mbc, msnbc, behindthe scenes in in terms of
compensating their employees whoaren't on camera, and whether
or not this pay cut willactually make a difference.
I don't, I don't fucking know,but I will say this uh, everyone
at the network is hyper awareof the fact that joe amica took
(55:31):
that trip down to mar-a-lagoyeah you know, I think kayla
collins has been down theretrying to cover mar-a-lago and
we can talk about.
That's a version of what JoeAmica did.
Everyone at the network ishighly aware of what happened
with Joe Amica and your stalwartRachel here.
I checked out her showimmediately upon hearing the
(55:54):
news of Joe.
Amica that last Monday, and youknow who didn't say shit about
the prospect of the mediacomplying in advance with the
future dictator, Rachel.
She didn't say shit.
So you know, feel about thathow you want to, that's fair.
Yeah, if you expect MSNBC to bethese you know strong critics of
(56:17):
the Trump administration, well,you're probably not.
I mean, you're not going to berewarded in those expectations
if they're not even willing tocriticize their own hosts for
kowtowing to Trump.
So yeah, just that is.
Speaker 2 (56:31):
That is true, it's tough veering away from politics
momentarily.
Speaker 1 (56:38):
There was just this insane incident with this doctor
where well you know what.
We'll just let you see the clip.
Oh shit, according to, moredocuments.
Speaker 4 (56:48):
This video was taken in 2019, a diffine family
practice in blival.
In it, dr david diffine can beseen walking around naked,
including in the hallway betweenpatient rooms.
Another video clip sent inshows him in the receptionist
area walking around three womenand performing a sex act
(57:08):
directly in front of one of thewomen.
The clip ends with himejaculating on her.
According to the documents wereceived, not only did the woman
work in Diffinet's office as alab tech for another company.
She was one of his patients.
According to the person who sentthe board the videos, this all
happened during business hours.
They also claimed Diffinet usedhis quote position of power
(57:32):
sexual grooming salary increasesto groom employees and patients
into repulsive acts.
At least one person agrees.
Dr Bradley Diner with theArkansas Medical Foundation
wrote.
The pervasive behavior leads toconcerns about a sexual
compulsive disorder ofparaphilia, which may, in fact,
cross boundaries with hisdelivery of medical care.
(57:53):
An investigator with theArkansas Department of Health
interviewed Dr Diffenine inSeptember.
According to the report fromthat interview, dr Diffine was
informed there were video clipsof his actions.
Speaker 1 (58:07):
You know how crazy you gotta be to be wandering
around your office butt-assnaked.
Speaker 2 (58:19):
And ejaculating on staff.
Speaker 1 (58:22):
No, wait, wait, wait before we even get there, just
to be wandering around theoffice, ass naked, dick swinging
just nude during the day duringoffice hours at a medical
facility.
You know how out of controlthat is.
That is out of control.
(58:43):
That's out of control.
Now, what's really crazy is youwould think if you were in a
position where you've gotten socomfortable with your job that
this is how you kick it and like, generally speaking, I don't
judge people if they're notinfringing on like other people,
like if this is how you kick itand this is what you're getting
(59:06):
away with, you would thinkmaybe if you wanted to keep
doing this, you would probablytry to figure out where the line
is and not cross it.
You know what this nigga didkeep it as far past the line is
and not cross it.
You know what this nigga did.
He went as far past the line asyou could.
He sprinted past that fuckingline like Wile E Coyote
(59:29):
Roadrunner style, as fast as hecould in shooting his shot on a
co-worker at the job.
Speaker 2 (59:37):
That shit is wild as fuck.
Speaker 1 (59:40):
You know, what?
Speaker 2 (59:41):
I'm going to get bucket ass naked and I'm going
to walk through my fuckingoffice and then I'm going to
fucking, I'm going to skeet onthis bitch.
Speaker 1 (59:55):
What the fuck like it's not, like he's like oh you
know I'm at the office late.
I just want to let it all hang.
It's like.
Let my boys breathe down therelike we solo, it's all good
office is closed.
Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
I'm gonna take my clothes off.
Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
It's like it's lunch time.
This was during office hoursit's lunchtime.
Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
This was during office hours he?
Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
it's lunchtime.
They got the pizza out.
Your boy is.
He's just dribbling all overthe pepperoni.
What is you know he?
You know who he voted for, outof control.
Now, look, I know this is notso look, the video is funny.
There's no denying that.
(01:00:42):
What is not funny is thecontent.
The circumstances are not funny, because there are a lot of
women all over America and theworld for that matter who live
in workplaces and are subject tosexual harassment on a regular
basis and are subject to sexualharassment on a regular basis
(01:01:03):
and are, you know I don't reallyknow a way to frame it other
than, like women are such goodsports about men's unacceptable
behavior that, like I I don'tknow whether I like should
applaud you or be upset that,like women, don't make more.
I just but again.
So it's not fun.
That part is not funny.
I understand anyone who'slistening to this, who's been in
(01:01:25):
a situation.
You've been sexually harassedor put in a situation like that
where your job is on the lineand you have to no, we are not
condoning that.
Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
No, we're not condoning, Totally no, this this
.
Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
This is an exotic control.
But also like if you're goingto do that dog, you can't work
somewhere that's got cameras.
You can't work somewhere that'sgot cameras.
True, don't make no sense.
Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
True.
Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
And I just, you know, look over this past year, this
podcast has talked far moreabout dicks than I ever thought
would be possible on a politicalpodcast.
Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
We can't get away from dicks.
What the fuck.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
This is not what I planned on when we started.
I don't know how we ended up inthis situation, but this is
this is the world we're in, andfor the next next four years
we're just going to be sittingaround with our dicks
figuratively in our hands.
And that concludes this episodeof Pardon, the Interaction.
One, two, three, four for the insurrection we will
never forget.
It's literally in the name ofthe podcast, um, so yeah, it's
been.
It's.
You know, every single week isa whirlwind around here, whether
it's election season or not,obviously.
I'm sure you're familiar withthe fact that jack smith,
special counsel, his office hasmoved to dismiss the charges
(00:40):
against trump in his january 6thcase without prejudice.
There's quite a fewimplications there,
theoretically speaking here.
If Trump were to leave office,that's a big if these charges
could be brought again.
But I imagine one of the thingsTrump would likely do while
he's in office is, we're neverhaving another fucking election
(01:01):
again.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
So so yeah, Look I having another fucking election
again.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
So, uh, yeah it.
You know, look, I assume thatwe'll have midterms in some
shape, form or fashion and,depending on how those go, uh,
if they go poorly, if they gosouth, that could be the end of
republicans ever leaving thewhite house.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Uh, but we're all going to die.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Yeah, that's if we don't, if we don't all die
before the 2028 election, if oneexists.
So theoretically here, becausethese charges are being
dismissed without prejudice,they could be brought against
Trump again should he leaveoffice.
But I assume Trump will likelytry to issue himself a pardon
once he's in office for any andall federal crimes.
(01:45):
Now, whether that pardon sticks, who knows?
That'll have to.
I mean, again, that'll be anissue should we ever end up in a
situation where Trump ischarged for crimes that he
committed before taking officeand then he'll get litigated up
to the Supreme Court.
But as you've seen, with thecomplexion of the Supreme Court
(02:05):
as it's currently constructed,they're going to bail him out,
Even though you know theprinciple of the rule of law in
this country is no man should behis own judge and jury.
So theoretically you'd have toargue that pardon is something
you grant to someone else, notsomething you can do for
yourself.
It's President of the UnitedStates.
(02:28):
But the Supreme Court can makeany kind of rules they want to,
just like they made uppresidential immunity out of
thin air, even though in theconstitution it says the
president shall shall faithfullyexecute the law and be above it
.
Um, but in terms of trump'spossible liability for
attempting to overturn the 2020election illegally.
While federal prosecution isnot an option, state crimes are
(02:52):
still on the table and there area number of states still
continuing along in theirinvestigation.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
And Alan Bragg said he's not dropping the case.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
So yeah, so well.
That's slightly different, butwe'll get to that.
You know, states decide tocharge Trump for attempting to
forge fake electors certificatesto steal the election.
They likely won't ever be in aposition to take him to trial
because I'm sure the SupremeCourt will postpone those cases
(03:37):
until he's no longer in office.
And if he is charged by evenonce I mean, I imagine, even
given that he's currently facingcriminal prosecution already
under indictment in Georgia he'snever leaving office, at least
not willingly, at least notalive in one way or the other
Until he, well, until he dies.
(03:58):
Exactly, Big Mac if you'relistening, if you're listening.
Now, yeah, fingers crossed,fingers crossed.
You know cholesterol will takehim out before we even get close
.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
McDonald's.
You got one job.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Yeah, and he's not looking too great here lately.
Anyway, His health looks likeit's questionable as we speak
again, and he didn't release anymedical information over the
course of the election.
No one cares, but again, justTrump always manages to flout
norms and seeming rules ofpolitics and pays no political
(04:34):
consequences whatsoever, Also interms of holding Trump
accountable.
So it is theoretically possiblethat the Trump administration
will go so far beyond you know,reasonably sane, but obviously
they're going to be insane butgo so far beyond the pale in
terms of egregious behavior thathe could be impeached.
(04:56):
Now, again, Republicans holdthe House and Senate slim
majorities in both and theSenate slim majorities in both.
So the likelihood of thathappening is slim, but it's a
non-zero number and it's worthconsidering again, considering
what Trump has planned as soonas he gets office, starting with
these mass deportations whichin reality because deporting a
(05:18):
million people a year, even amillion people a year, is nearly
impossible.
There's just no practical meansto do it, and also you have
nowhere to send these people.
And so, as the Nazis discoveredwhen they tried to deport I
don't mean to give away this,but as the Nazis discovered when
they tried to deport a millionJews in Hitler's Germany- who
(05:39):
was going to accept them?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Who was going to take them?
Yeah, and that's what peopledon't even like, realize, like,
okay, every country isn't adeportation country.
They don't always accept, theydon't many of them Venezuela,
cuba, haiti, of course they'renot deportation countries, so
(06:01):
they don't accept deportationplans.
So no, but that's why, um, youknow, they're building the
fucking jaeger styleconcentration camps in texas
yeah, that is the ultimatesolution that the nazis came to.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
There was, like we have nowhere to send these
people, all right, send them offto work camps and concentration
camps.
And you know again thequote-unquote final solution.
No pun intended, there were theovens.
So in all likelihood, trump'splans to round up millions of
people and deport them toanywhere, because that part's
(06:43):
not going to happen, is going toresult in people being forced
into camps.
That's just what it's going tobe now again, obviously you know
the people trump, or trump, ishiring.
They're largely incompetent,they're going to fumble this and
they probably won't evensuccessfully round up a million
people.
But hey, they, they couldtheoretically get a hundred
thousand over the course of ayear.
(07:03):
And and those people got to gosomewhere.
And it ain't going to be prettywhen it happens.
And you know again, who knowswhat kind of atrocities Trump's
going to commit while he's inoffice.
That will bring to bearpolitical pressure on a handful
of Republicans in the House toopen an impeachment inquiry.
And you know the likelihood ofthat resulting in a successful
(07:26):
conviction in the senate is low.
But again, it's a non-zerochance.
We were a handful of votes awayfrom convicting trump in his
second impeachment after january6th, but mitch mcconnell told a
few of them to hold off and hedid so.
Um, a lot of people out thereupset with mayor garland, jack
(07:49):
smith, etc.
For not holding trumpaccountable and, like I, while I
get your frustrations, I wouldsay trump was indicted twice by
mayor garland's department ofjustice like not one time, but
two times, and the it's not theonly reason, but a major reason
why Trump didn't face eithercriminal, with Alito Roberts and
(08:10):
Clarence Thomas doing their-.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
You know what?
Now, looking back and I look atMerrick Garland and I think
maybe he wouldn't have been thebest choice for the Supreme
Court.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
He would have been better than he would have been
better than any of Trump's picks.
Well, so next week, what I'mgoing to do is for the people
who are.
You know, merrick Garlandcritics in generally the
criticism levied against him.
I find it be unreasonable, notnot because he's above criticism
, it's just the specifics of thecriticism, like you know.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
But I do wish that garland would have made any kind
of statement though, because heknows the criticism that's
coming down on him right now, orwhatever.
But if he would have made anystatement to say, like I, I
(09:34):
dropped the bag, like I would,or okay or even just to assuage
any fears or whatever.
I mean he?
He said he was going to hold.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Trump accountable.
He charged him twice.
And look so next week, when Ihave the opportunity, I will put
together a list of 10 thingsMary Garland could have done
differently that people actuallyreally don't spend enough time
talking about, if at all.
People are just like.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Mary.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Garland should have done this and that and the
things that they wanted him todo wouldn't have changed the
outcome at all.
Now again, the things that hepossibly could have done to end
up in a different situation maynot have been successful, but it
would have been an opportunity.
Probably a better opportunityin hindsight, given what we know
now.
Probably a better opportunityin hindsight given what we know
now but if he still hadaddressed us to say what exactly
(10:31):
?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
you know what is he?
Okay, I don't know.
I don't know what you want himto say people feel like they
need to hear from him Anything,anything to say like, hey, this
is why we did blah blah blah,this is why we didn't do blah
(10:55):
blah blah, but to feel like he'sat least aware.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
One thing about specifics of the investigation
is, generally speaking, theattorney general cannot talk
about specific actions taken orinternal debate and really only
the charges at hand and how DOJpolicy interacts with that.
But look again, I know peoplewant reassurance, but that's not
like that's not always feasiblefor an attorney general to do.
(11:24):
Uh, when talking about specificcases and that's that's one of
the hang-ups of the departmentof justice like if obviously
trump's attorney general isgoing to do whatever the fuck he
wants to and break the rulesand and whatnot.
I mean that's you know.
Again, if you don't like thatset of circumstances, we should
have just got more people tovote for comrade Harris.
(11:47):
But Eric Merrick Garland doestry to do things by the book.
And again, like there are thingsthat I wanted Merrick Garland
to do that he could have done,that possibly could have
resulted in Trump being inprison before the election took
place, took place, but it's nota sure thing.
And also the Supreme Court madeit clear once they stepped in,
(12:08):
first of all delaying theprosecution of Trump in DC and
then ultimately granting himpresidential immunity for any
acts that intersect with hisofficial responsibilities as
president, and also the partwhere they basically changed the
rules of evidence where youcouldn't even use any evidence
(12:30):
of his actions in court, whetherhe was being charged for them
or not.
That opened the door for like,regardless of what Jack Smith
did after that in court, even ifthose charges had been brought
a year earlier, if we got thatsame decision.
Well, so any decision that thespecial counsel made in terms of
(12:50):
what evidence he wanted to useagainst Trump, trump could
appeal that.
It would end up back in theSupreme Court, delayed for
months again.
So the only way that we weregoing to get Trump in prison in
2024 was to win the election.
That's just what it comes downto.
In that regard, there wasnothing really to Jack Smith.
(13:10):
But again, I do have something.
There is something that Ibelieve that Merrick Garland and
later on Jack Smith likelycould have done to prevent that
whole scenario, but we'll savethat again for next week.
So if we do want Trump to beheld accountable for any of his
criminal activity, the mostlikely pathway we're going to
(13:32):
have for that is stateprosecutions, and the only way
we're going to get those is ifhe's pushed out of office by
impeachment likely becausethere's no way he's leaving even
after the next election.
He's just not going to do.
It's not going to happen.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
We're having no more elections so let me ask you d yo
what's your program fit?
My who oh, what am I wearing?
Speaker 1 (13:57):
what am I wearing to the camps, man?
I don't know, man, don't theymake us wear all gray?
Uh, yeah, we'll probably havelike uniforms or something,
although, again, I don't evenknow if we'll be allowed to have
uniforms, because they won't beable to afford them.
That's true with all the tariffs, so um again.
So in case you missed it, trumpannounced that he will in fact
(14:21):
be placing tariffs on everyimported good from Mexico,
canada and China.
On his first day in office.
That sent the stock marketfutures into a tumble.
He's already taking the economybefore he's even in office.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
I already took money out of my 401k because I was
like I need to figure out whatto do with my yeah, do I need to
?
Speaker 1 (14:43):
just go ahead and try .
Do I need to roll it over to awith my?
I work too hard for this shit.
Yeah, do I need to just goahead and try?
Do I need to roll it over to aRoth account or something?
I'm going to have to get somefinancial advice before the
year's over to figure out whatto do before the economy crashes
.
Because when he was in officethe first time by the end of his
presidency, my 401k was just aone.
There was no four, there was noO, there was no K.
(15:09):
That bitch said one.
It was terrible.
Yeah, it was rough out there.
I was looking at it.
I actually I had to stoplooking at it.
I stopped looking at it at theend, you know, the middle, I
don't know.
Somewhere in midst of pandemic,I was like I just can't even
look at this no more.
Yeah, and then I didn't look atit again until like 2023, um,
(15:31):
because it just it hurt myfeeling so bad, uh, yeah, so
again, you know anyone out thereplanning on retiring in the
near future.
I would suggest you amend thoseplans, uh, and anyone who wants
to figure out what to do withtheir 401ks.
Can we come up with a plantogether because I ain't got no
answers.
But yeah, so trump's gonnatariff uh, you know nearly
(15:56):
everything to some fashion fromthose three countries, if not
others.
I I can't remember the exactnumbers, maybe 25% from Mexico
or something like that.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Yeah, 25% for Mexico and Canada and like 10% on China
, in addition to whatever thealready tariffs are.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Yeah, so maybe up to 35% in the form of tariffs on
goods imported from China.
Now I know what you're probablythinking.
You know you don't reallyactually.
You know I can't imagine a lotof people out here looking at
macro economic trends, but theamount of goods we import from
those three countries combinedevery year is over a trillion
(16:37):
dollars.
He's, he's about, he's about toadd a fucking.
He's about to add a fucking$250 billion tax.
Oh my God, it's insane.
And then, of course, the tariffsaren't just a one-off in this
regard, because we're not justgoing to tax the goods that are
(17:00):
imported from these countries.
These countries are also goingto issue retaliatory tariffs.
So instead of us paying highertaxes on goods from other
countries, they're also going totax our goods at their port of
entry, which means Americancompanies will make less revenue
(17:22):
because the goods will be moreexpensive and likely there will
be lower demand, which meanshe's hurting our economy both
ways.
So the tariffs are adouble-edged sword, but in the
worst way, where it hurts us,cutting well, it cuts us both,
going and coming.
So if you're ready for theeconomy to collapse, I got good
(17:42):
news for you You're about to getyour wish.
It's going to be hard out herefor like a long time.
It's going to be hard out herefor a pimp If we theoretically
yeah, it's tough If we do happento have elections sometime in
the future.
You know, after the Trumppresidency, whatever Democrat
(18:03):
gets that job.
After the Trump presidency,whatever Democrat gets that job,
as for all of the Democratsbefore him or her, they're going
to have a humongous mess toclean up.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
It's going to be a lot and of course I live here on
the border where of coursetrade is super important here on
the border.
You don't say so, say this shitis about to get motherfucking
wild, like it's going to becrazy as fuck here.
Yeah, because literally, theyliterally make the fucking the
(18:40):
windmills I see them comingacross the border every fucking
day like we have.
There are in Mexico, well, noteven in Mexico.
In Juarez, just over thefucking bridge, there are 300
maquilladores, which are the youknow plants, plants.
(19:04):
90 of them are fortune 500companies, which are american
companies.
Right, so you've got 90 fuckingcompanies over here and you're
doing this bullshit or whatever.
Like David, my fucking husband,his dad.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
When they came from New York, he was hired by
because he worked for GE oh wait.
And then his company.
Aren't they laying off a lot ofemployees?
Yeah, ge, oh wait.
And speaking of GE, aren't theylaying off a lot of employees?
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
He was put in charge of the company there.
Him for working for GE, ge.
So him coming from fuckingupstate New York to come down
here to be in charge of a plant,there is the head of GE.
That's how David ended up beinghere.
(20:13):
So, yeah, this shit's about toget fucking wild as fuck it's
rough.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
And then if Trump does something crazy at the
border with Mexico, I mean itwould be sadly ironic if Mexico
decided to close down the borderto Americans.
It would be funny.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
And Claudia Scheinbaum when she was there
they've already been deportingAmericans.
They're like, oh, youoverstayed your visa expats or
whatever.
They're like, oh, youoverstayed your visa expats or
whatever.
But she was like I, I'm kind ofdigging her.
I wasn't sure at first abouther, but she was like, oh,
(20:56):
what's our uh solution to trumpsaying this there's yeah, we'll
just deport 2 million Americans.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yeah, go for it.
And she is, of course, thelesser of two evils.
You know people talk about thelesser of two eagles in
elections.
She is literally like, look,maybe she'll be good for Mexico
in like a broad sense.
But uh, you know she is.
Basically she wants to help herparty maintain control in
(21:31):
mexico.
The same way republicans wantto maintain control here and
again yeah, I mean that's themorena party.
So yeah, again yes but, we'renot saying she's a hero, but
again, look, at least she'sgoing to, in all likelihood,
stand up to Trump in some waysthat might be meaningful, and
maybe other ways that might justbe for show, and she's possibly
(21:54):
just calling Trump's bluff, whoknows?
Hoping for the best, butprepare for the worst in every
sense when it comes to what thefuture Trump administration is
about to bring.
So, there was breaking newstoday, as it was reported that
oh shit, what did I miss?
(22:14):
Israel reached a ceasefire Justthe wrong war.
So they reached an agreementthat was partially negotiated by
President Biden'sadministration that created a
ceasefire in Lebanon.
And here's President Bidentalking about just that.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
Today I have some good news report from the Middle
East.
I just spoke with the primeMinister of Israel and Lebanon.
I'm pleased to announce thattheir governments have accepted
the United States' proposal toend the devastating conflict
between Israel and Hezbollahyeah, so good news in that
(23:03):
regard.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Now I would say, like a lot of people, like, well,
why can't you?
You know, okay, he negotiated aceasefire with gaza.
Um, so that's more complicated.
But part of the reason whyisrael reached this agreement is
because they basicallysucceeded in reaching all their
military strategic operationsand plans.
(23:27):
All of those were effective.
They reached every goal theyset in terms of basically
reducing the possibility ofHezbollah pursuing any kind of
serious arm conflict for theforeseeable future.
They decapitated the leadership,uh, with that, those, those
explosive devices planted in thepagers.
(23:48):
That was crazy.
They basically reached everysingle goal they set forth when
they started these major, youknow large-scale operations
against has bella a few monthsago.
And once you know mission wascomplete, they're like all right
, it's time for a peace deal.
Now the reason why they haven'treached a ceasefire agreement
in Gaza is a lot morecomplicated.
(24:09):
But part of that is because,well, the military goals that
they've set forth in terms ofremoving Hamas from Gaza are
impossible.
It's not something that can bedone militarily and also, even
if it were possible I meantheoretically three or four or
five months into the war, therewas a path forward to basically
(24:32):
removing Gaza from control.
The problem is, netanyahuwanted to drag this war out on
purpose, and that's exactly whatthey're going to do.
Yeah, yeah, because they keptthe elections from happening
yeah, well, and then they, everytime they would capture some
territory, they would cedecontrol of it back to Hamas,
(24:54):
just by basically just dallyingaround.
They had no real intentions ofensuring this war came to a
quick close and that is largelythe responsibility and the
outright plan by Netanyahu.
And now they're in a situationwhere there is no way to achieve
a military victory and, look, Idon't know what the situation
(25:18):
will be going forward.
I'm sure Trump's probably notgoing to help them negotiate a
ceasefire.
I would imagine this war isgoing to go on indefinitely
until Gaza is likely annexed.
But again, you know, no onecares that Trump was calling
Netanyahu behind the scenes andencouraging him to drag out this
war to hurt Biden and thenKamala Harris's chances of
(25:39):
winning the election.
No one cares about that.
But you know again, biden's beenworking on this for months.
It's hard to do that and besuccessful when your cohort is
working in bad faith.
But he did get the job done inLebanon once Israel achieved its
military objective.
So I guess kudos to him.
(25:59):
Pat him on the back achievedits military objective.
So I guess kudos to him, pathim on the back, you know again,
if it were me, once you push meout of the election, I'd be
like, all right, I'm putting mytwo weeks notice in.
I'm going on vacation, but bynow he's working.
He's been working ever since.
I mean I'm sure he's doingthings behind the scenes as we
speak to try and protect ourfederal government from a second
(26:21):
Trump term, but I mean I don'tknow necessarily what it is that
he can do in terms ofprotecting the American people,
but I'm sure he's makingarrangements with our allies
around the world at least try toprotect some of our classified
information and possibly theprotection of, you know, future
alliances that Trump maythreaten just once he's in
(26:42):
office.
Because he has a tendency to gooverboard with his love of our
enemies and also, simultaneously, constantly attack our allies
and ruin our allyships.
So I'm sure Biden's doing whathe can Again.
The problem here is, thesituation is just.
(27:02):
It's just drastically.
It's so drasticallyunmanageable that the only real
solution to all of theseproblems was to never let Trump
win a second election, and wefailed to do that.
You know I can't blame Bidenfor that.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
That was on the American people.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
We didn't make the right decision and you know
there are many reasons why theelection turned out in the
fashion that it did, but largelyit's because people are stupid
and I can tell you how stupidpeople are because one of the
things in terms of Googlesearches that hit record highs
after the election was a searchfor the term tariffs tariffs
(27:47):
yeah, you got.
You voted for the.
I can't, I can't, but peoplevoted for the tariff guy without
knowing what a tariff is.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
No, I, I can't.
And the fucking realizationthat people are like oh my god,
the affordable care act,andamacare, is the same fucking
thing.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Oh my God, I hate these people Speaking of
right-wing morons engaging intotal ignorance.
The Trump transition team ishaving a rough time.
It's just it's not going overthere.
Speaker 7 (28:18):
We are following more breaking news involving the
president-elect.
Sources tell CNN that Trump'slawyers are investigating
allegations that a top aidesought to gain financially from
his influence with thepresident-elect.
Speaker 6 (28:29):
We have CNN's Sarah Murray on this.
Sarah, tell us what you'relearning.
Well, we're learning thatlawyers for Trump have been
investigating whether BorisEpstein sought to gain
financially from his access toDonald Trump and others in
Trump's orbit.
Now, this is something, thisinternal investigation that was
confirmed to me, Kristen Holmesand our colleague, Kate Sullivan
(28:49):
, by half a dozen sources.
Again, this is an internalinvestigation.
This is not a criminalinvestigation.
In one instance, though, theinvestigators looking into this
learned that Boris Epsteinrequested as much as $100,000
per month in exchange for hisservices.
In one of these instances and Iwant to tell you what Boris
Epstein said in response to thisreporting.
He said I am honored to workfor President Trump and his team
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.
These fake claims are false anddefamatory and will not
distract us from making Americagreat again.
Not distract us from makingAmerica great.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Okay, so those claims are probably absolutely true,
but the reason they're becomingpublic is not because Epstein is
a grifter trying to sell accessto Trump.
Many people were doing that inthe first Trump administration
and have been doing it eversince.
Part of what's going on here isturmoil within the inner circle
here, because you know, look,everyone bought access to trump
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in terms of trying to fund hispresidential campaign and now
that trump won, there's a viefor power to be the shadow
president, or, you know, one ofthe shadow presidents pulling
the strings um of trump in hiscohorts, um, and not everyone's
getting along over there inmagalan, in borscht.
Epstein, it's going to be oneof the first casualties here, um
, and so obviously it's not acriminal investigation.
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These are like internal trumptransition lawyers doing this
investigation, but really, whatthis is is a move to get epstein
out of the picture.
Now, epstein's connected totrump's theft and illegal
retainment of classifieddocuments and also connected to
january 6th in numerous ways.
So I would imagine in terms of,like, what information epstein
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can hold over trump in order tostay in his good graces and and
not be expelled from the nexttrump administration.
He's probably got a few aces uphis sleeve and maybe a joker and
a queen and a jag and a two.
They got a deuce up there, uhso, but you know, we always knew
one of the issues that wasgoing to just be, is going to be
(30:51):
, a hurdle for trump to try andget a lot of the worship that he
wants done, and not onlybecause you know the people
around him are incompetent, butthis is.
But it's impossible for them towork together, and that's not
even counting the fact thatTrump simply likes to pit his I
don't even really know what tocall them his stooges against
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each other.
So it's going to be a lot moreinfighting.
I mean, they're already goingat Elon Musk.
Trump's sick of his face.
He's been in every day there atMar-a-Lago since the election
was over.
He'd be there every day.
Every day He'd be on Twitterdoing drugs and chilling at
Mar-a-Lago.
It was crazy.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Elon has not left his fucking side.
Somebody called him the firstbuddy.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
They was calling him the first buddy of the United
States first buddy, that'sperfect cause he won't leave
Trump's side.
But yeah, I expect expect moreturmoil in the Trump transition
team and once Trump takes office, Rachel Maddow is going to need
a new board with all the Trumptransition team.
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And once Trump takes office,Rachel Maddow is going to need a
new board with all the Trumpemployees or appointments and
the Trump officials that getfired or quit their jobs.
Because in the first four yearsthat list just got longer and
longer and the board was big atfirst and it had like 20 names
on it and then they would zoomout and then it was like 40 and
then it would get even smallerand it would be like 100 people.
(32:23):
Yeah, it was wild.
I was going to need a new board.
She's going to have to startoff with board number two
because of all the people he'sgoing to have to get rid of
because of the infighting andthe incompetence and you know
the backstabbing and of course,there's going to be an endless
amount.
One thing that I can say theBiden administration and like, I
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don't necessarily believe thatleaks are bad per se, but one
thing the Biden administrationdidn't have a lot of was leaks.
Occasionally you had peoplegoing on background, you know,
talking about gossip, butnothing serious in terms of like
what's going on behind thescenes and the Biden
administration, the Trumpadministration it was just
nonstop leaks.
Kellyanne Conway, in particular, was quite known for leaking an
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extraordinary amount ofinformation to the press about
Trump scandals and Trumpadministration scandals.
So I'm sure there's going to bea new Kellyanne Conway.
We don't know who it is yet,but someone's going to be
disgruntled with their positionamongst the ranks and they're
going to be leaking to the pressconstantly.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
It's going to be a whole ass mess.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Yeah, it's definitely going to be.
I mean, yes, in every way forthe country and for Trump
himself, it's going to be rough.
But you know, look, I mean thisis what people voted for, in
saying it like we saw it thefirst time and they people got
like a four-year hiatus.
They forgot how good they haveit and how bad it was.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
They chose it like oh , I want some more of that yeah,
people's memories are fuckingshort, so short.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Um.
So yeah, beyond the Trumpcampaign, the Trump transition
in a turmoil Elon Musk's dad hadsome comments about.
Elon's current legacy here.
Speaker 8 (34:17):
May was a slightly heavier built girl.
Ok, may was a slightly heavierbuilt girl, okay.
And actually what happened waswe broke up when she was in
final year and no, wait a minutewhen we were going out.
Yeah, she was still going out.
(34:37):
Her parents, by the way, werevery fanatical in favor of
apartheid.
This is quite interesting.
Her parents came to southafrica from canada because they
sympathized with that, with theafrikaner government.
They used to support hitler andand all that sort of stuff.
But they didn't know, obviouslyI don't think they knew what
the germans would, the naziswere doing, but they, they in
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canada, they were the in theNazi, they were in the German
party in Canada and theysympathized with the Germans.
So when the Afrikanersgovernment came into power here
in 1948, then May's father whowas quite an interesting guy, he
was a very good pilot he saidhe wants to be with the
afrikaners because he agreeswith apartheid.
(35:23):
You see, you see what I mean,yeah, and he came out here with
his family okay, long storyshort there.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Um, elon musk, elon musk maternal grandparents were
fucking nazis, um, and you cansee why.
And that had quite an effect onhis mom.
She's a right-wing nut job andit appears as though, um, you
know, they moved to south africabecause they were like, yeah,
apartheid's fucking awesome.
So if you're wondering whatkind of, just what kind of
lineage elon musk hails from,yeah, let's go there, because
(35:54):
they got apartheid yeah, so youknow elon musk taking a sharp
right wing turn here.
Not only was it predictable,he's he's always been far right
wing, he's just been hiding itthis entire time.
So it's not surprising that hewould like again, he would want
to align himself with thepresidential candidate.
That's the most like Hitlerthat we know.
(36:16):
People title that fuckingperson but the presidential
candidate in the United States,that's most like Hitlerler,
since hitler not surprising, notnot surprising at all in that
regard.
And I totally expect him to tryand implement some form of
apartheid here is probably whyhe left south america.
He was like damn, thisapartheid thing is, is, uh, you
know it's for the birds here.
(36:37):
It's about to be on its way out.
Let me hop on over here to theamericas.
Make me some money.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Let's say we can do that a part-time thing.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Yeah, yeah you're gonna try and do the same shit
here.
Uh, yeah, and then, like youknow, look the people on the
idiots on.
You know, formerly known astwitter, now currently known as
x-chan, I talk about how elonmusk is a proponent of free
speed, so how can he be a Nazi?
Hey, let me tell you.
Let me tell you how this Nazism, nazism shit works in regards
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to free speech.
See the way the U Sconstitution, uh, the way it
embodies free speech is in theidea that the government can't
persecute you for the things yousay.
It does not mean that there arenot consequences for the things
you say, but the way these nutjobs trying to co-opt the
argument is well, we're Nazisand we should have the freedom
(37:32):
to speak about being Nazis andno one else should be able to
complain about it.
But the problem there is, thewhole idea behind being, like
you know, a neo-Nazi, fascisttype is that eventually you want
to suppress the free speech ofothers if they don't want to
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become a Nazi, and if you allowthat to continue on like an
online platform, at some point,what have is a nazi platform and
then all the normal peopleleave.
And that's why I and, look, youknow, social media websites
have been dealing with thissince the beginning of social
media right, and that's why,generally speaking, every
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platform comes to the sameconclusion about regulating hate
speech and whatnot.
It's because if you don't stampit out, what happens is the
normal people leave, theadvertisers go and your platform
becomes 4chan or, in this case,xchan.
Um, so yeah, like, the freespeech argument isn't about
protecting people's right to notbe persecuted by the government
(38:39):
for what they say.
It's about emboldening andempowering the worst possible
voices and giving them aplatform in order to spread hate
.
And again, like, that's just notwhat the idea of free speech is
.
I mean, it's not even remotelyrelated to the principle of free
speech.
But again, you know, elon's aNazi.
(39:00):
When he bought the platform, hereturned the worst possible
people who had been banned fromthere and gave them not only
access to their accounts,unbanned their accounts, but he
also boosted their accounts sothey're able to spread their
shit even more far and wide thanthey had previously been able
(39:22):
to.
So, yeah, fuck that guy.
Fuck elon's version of streetfree speech.
It ain't about free speech.
Yeah, it's about promotingfucking fascist.
Uh, and again, you know he'sjust carrying on the legacy of
his grandparents there.
I hate that guy.
You know we ain't done shitholeof the week in months, for a
(39:43):
couple of reasons largelybecause he would win it every
week.
He quickly, quickly shot up tothe top of the list of nominees
for the shithole of the.
You know, I think this is yeartwo of the Donald J Trump
shithole of the year award thathe'll be receiving in January.
(40:04):
So, like we is no point, it washim every week.
Every week, he was doing someinsane shit or saying some
insane shit, you know,kidnapping black people to
canvas for Trump and throwingthem in vans and driving them
across the state lines and whatcould be considered a form of
(40:24):
human trafficking.
I'm sure that's still underinvestigation in Pennsylvania,
or maybe that was Michigan, Ican't remember.
But also, you know the lottery.
That wasn't a lottery where hewas paying people basically a
million dollars to vote forTrump.
Really is what he was doing.
Vote for Trump really is whathe was doing.
He was encouraging people toregister.
(40:45):
Well, actually it was only opento people who were registered
to vote, which is basically anillegal election lottery, just
like this guy in every singlefucking term is doing some
terrible shit.
Now there's also some strife inthe campaign with Elon.
Now it appears as though VivekRamaswamy has prioritized cuts
to federal subsidies forelectric vehicle companies,
(41:06):
which would directly impact Elon, like Elon's.
Hey, we need to stop all thisgovernment spending.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
And Trump, literally at every rally, said how much he
hated EVs.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
He made a joke one time about Elon's cars exploding
and his rockets.
It was pretty good.
Pretty good Again.
And Trump was only cohortingaround with Elon because Elon
was willing to put hundreds ofmillions of dollars into
basically a shallow campaign andtry and help Trump win.
And even though Trump hates hisass, he's got to put up with
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him because he's the money.
And you know that's whathappens when you get in bed
together with evil people,they'll eventually stab each
other in the back.
We don't have to worry aboutthat.
You know, if you weredowntrodden about the prospects
of a second Trump administration, at least you get to look
forward to Trump and everyonearound him trying to kill each
(42:04):
other.
That's going to be some funtimes.
So last week, joe Scarboroughand what's.
Mika's last name.
Mika I don't fuck her last name.
So morning, joe from MSNBC,along with his co-host and wife,
mika, made their pilgrimagedown to Mar-a-Lago in order to
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break bread with Trump,presumably because they were
afraid of retaliation.
The presidency and is likely tocarry out vengeance against the
media and his adversaries,especially for people like Joe
and Mika, who empowered him in2016 on his way up to the
(42:49):
presidency and who quicklyturned tail, and they spent the
last couple of years here.
They've been detractors ofTrump.
I think that's fair to say, buthere are their comments about
the situation.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
Over the past week, joe and I have heard from so
many people, from politicalleaders to regular citizens,
deeply dismayed by several ofPresident-elect Trump's cabinet
selections, and they are scared.
Last Thursday, we expressed ourown concerns on this broadcast
and even said we wouldappreciate the opportunity to
speak with the president-electhimself.
(43:29):
On Friday, we were given theopportunity to do just that.
Joe and I went to Mar-a-Lago tomeet personally with
President-elect Trump.
It was the first time we haveseen him in seven years.
Speaker 7 (43:46):
Now we talked about a lot of issues, including
abortion, mass deportation,threats of political retribution
against political opponents andmedia outlets.
We talked about that a good bitand it's going to come as no
surprise to anybody who watchesthis show has watched it over
the past year or over the pastdecade that we didn't see eye to
(44:07):
eye on a lot of issues, and wetold him so.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
What we did agree on was to restart communications.
My father often spoke withworld leaders with whom he and
the United States profoundlydisagreed.
That's a task shared byreporters and commentators alike
.
We had not spoken to PresidentTrump since March of 2020.
(44:31):
Other than a personal call Joemade to Trump on the morning
after the attempt on his life inButler, Pennsylvania.
In this meeting, PresidentTrump was tearful.
He was upbeat.
He seemed interested in findingcommon ground with Democrats on
some of the most divisiveissues.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
And that's a fucking lie, as you can see here, before
the election.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
He was tearful, according to Micah.
So before the election,election, their whole goddamn
couch fuck, their couch fuck,fuck everything okay rick james,
yeah, so before the electionthey were they were clearly
willing to criticize trump andnow they turn tail.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
They they're cowards and as a result of that, I think
their viewership has droppedlike 35 40 percent um, since.
Good, yeah, oh, look, you knowI love that for them they
deserve it yes, treating youraudience as though they're
fucking stupid is and and likethey can't see through this
nonsense, you want to reopentalks with.
No, you just don't want him tofucking have you detained and
(45:37):
possibly executed live on airy'all some bitches Now generally
speaking, msnbc is consideredto be a left-leaning network and
it is only in the sense that ifyou're comparing it to CNN and,
obviously, fox News, you knowjust like Well, only if you're
like okay, you got George Reed,you got Richard Maddow and used
(46:01):
to be Joe ande and micah, butthey fuck them laurence
o'donnell, katie fay, you you dohave left wing or at the very
least left-leaning voices onmsnbc, but if you look at the
lineup, you might have noticedthis.
You've also got a bunch of I.
(46:21):
I really don't actually knowwhat to call them other than
like closet Republicans KatieTurd, for example who were
actually Trump supporters or atthe very least, they're
extraordinarily conservative intheir personal life, despite how
they may talk about things onthe air.
And if you're like an astuteobserver of MBSNBC and you watch
all their shows constantly, youcan pick out all of the
(46:43):
Trumpers.
I ain't got to point them outto you, you'll know them.
But so if you were thinkingthat, with the coming Trump
administration, that MSNBC isgoing to be some kind of bulwark
or some kind of check on theTrump administration in
reporting out the facts andmaking sure they try and hold
the Trump administrationaccountable, I got.
(47:05):
I got news for you it.
It's not going to happen.
They.
They'll half ass it.
You know.
Look, msnbc, and specificallyJoe and Mika here, are largely
responsible for Trump's rise topower in 2016.
So they enabled him quite a lot.
They gave him free airtime,they covered all his rallies.
(47:25):
They treated it like aspectacle instead of a danger to
democracy.
And they normalized Trump andyou know, a couple of years ago,
even though he lost theelection I think it's been about
two years now as though thenetwork made a pivot to try and
make it seem as though Trump wasa viable candidate, despite the
fact that a lot of his actions,including attempting to extort
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Ukraine and investigating theBiden family, and also the coup
on January 6th, the mishandlingof COVID, like all, like the
sexual assault conviction, thecriminal fraud conviction in New
York They've since decided topretend as though those should
not be factors when it comes toelecting a presidential
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candidate in office.
And they've spent the last twoyears or so normalizing Trump.
Now, it's not every host at NBC, but it's been a significant
portion.
In the way that news coverageis framed, the way these stories
are framed, the way Trump hastalked about, the way he's
covered, they've done a greatdisservice, considering they
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were supposedly held up as, likethe left wing counter to Fox
News.
Now, not in terms of being thepropaganda network, but just
countering the propaganda fromthe right.
They've done a poor job in thatregard.
I've got numerous complaintsabout them, too many to tackle
in a single, probably a seriesof podcasts.
But again, if you were thinkingthat those people are going to
(48:52):
be the ones to save us, you'vegot another thing coming.
Don't count on it Now.
Another mistake that MSNBC andeven CNN has made is in their
attempts to normalize Trump andpresent him as a viable
candidate, which inevitablyhelped propel him to an
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electoral victory for the secondtime, despite the fact that
he's a convicted criminal andfraudster.
Insurrectionist.
All of that, I'm assuming one ofthe motivations here is like,
if you know anything aboutmainstream media companies,
especially those who, primarilytheir revenue is generated by
cable, so just in terms of justgenerally speaking, cable
(49:37):
subscriptions are declining.
Whether people watch these showsor not has never really been a
factor.
Just the fact that you own acable box or a satellite service
provider, you're putting moneyin these networks' pocket.
Now, with the advent ofstreaming and internet services
and connectivity cablesubscriptions, they're subsiding
(49:59):
, they're decreasing at a rapidrate, which means revenue for
these companies is taking atremendous hit, and they are
likely in a position where ifTrump hadn't won the election or
at least what they wouldbelieve is if Trump hadn't won
the election people wouldn't beturning into the news, which
means their ratings would begoing down.
They're also not getting thisrevenue from massive cable
(50:19):
subscriptions, so theypresumably thought that a Trump
presidency would be good forratings and therefore good for
revenue, and would keep the cashcow going for a little bit
longer.
The mistake they've made isthat, now that Trump has been
elected president, people arelike, oh well, fuck it, yeah,
(50:40):
we're just going to let it burn.
I'm not going to be checkingthe news fucking every day.
The shit is just going to go tohell.
I'm checking out and this islike just the average news
viewer and in that regard, cablenews viewership, at least in
terms of CNN and MSNBC, isnearing a record low.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
I think they've lost 30 percent of their view at 25,
30% of their view.
Speaker 1 (51:04):
Yeah, like it dropped substantially, substantially,
yeah.
So the calculation that theymade that Trump is going to be
their cash cow, it appears tonot be paying off.
People have already juststarted to tune out the news.
They don't give a fuck, and Ithink it's because they
correctly identify that the rolethat MSNBC and especially CNN
have or have had here recently,in terms of just sane washing
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Trump and all of his horrificscandals and horrific behavior
and insane promises of whathe'll do in the second Trump
administration, from the debatewith joe biden on and on, it's
just endless, endless examplesthat you could be, I could
provide you with well, you knowlike people people are at this
point.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
They're over it.
They are fucking over it.
They are fucking over umfucking mainstream media and
what they've been doing and whatthey're saying.
We're like you know what.
You're not gonna gaslight usanymore.
You're not going to um try andbullshit us anymore.
(52:18):
We're done, yeah, we're done.
We're done, fuck it.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
Completely.
I've been done.
I can tell you, since theelection I've barely tuned in to
any mainstream media.
I check out Katie Fang becausethat's my girl.
I'll check out Rachel I loveher, I love her.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
Yeah, that's my girl.
Uh, you know, I'll, I'll checkout her.
Speaker 1 (52:41):
I love her.
Yeah, that's my girl.
Um, uh, you know laurenceo'donnell, he'd be doing his
thing at night.
He is one, one of the few hoststhat likely will not be holding
back over the course of thenext however many years trump is
in office.
And you know, rachel maddowworks on Monday.
She, like you know the the starwork, the star of MSNBC that
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everyone holds up, is like thisyou know, person who keeps,
keeps it real and tries to keepthe Trump administration in
check in the most importanttimes of our lives in terms of
the 2024 election.
She was like you know what?
I think, think I'm just gonnawork one day a week.
Speaker 2 (53:20):
So, yeah, yeah, all right, so you're obviously what
I saw too, like where she took afive million dollar a year pay
cut to keep doing what the fuckshe's doing, which I I have
nothing but mad respect for that.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
Well, yeah, look, I mean if you cut your work week
by 70 percent, or yeah, no, ifyou cut your work week by 80
percent and you make twenty fivemillion dollars a year and you
only take a 20 percent pay cut.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
You know what I don't hate it.
I will.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
No, no, you know what In fact?
Get your money, rachel, and cutyour hours down.
Now, look, rachel, she's notout here, just not doing shit.
She puts together these podcastseries.
She's working on movie scriptsI think she had some input on
(54:18):
the Apprentice movie about trumpand all these other things that
she's doing on the side workson all these side projects books
and such but also uh, it wasreally a super important
election here and you was on tvone day a week when you used to
be on tv5.
So, you know, I wouldn'tnecessarily say rachel is out
here.
I mean, you know, look, I again.
(54:39):
This is not a criticism ofrachel, but I just wouldn't
necessarily say Rachel is outhere.
I mean, you know, look, I again.
This is not a criticism ofRachel, but I just wouldn't hail
her as the hero that we allneed when she's like.
Speaker 2 (54:45):
I'm not saying that either, but she's like I'm gonna
take this, I'm gonna take thisL here, and that's not something
that you see a lot of so I'mstill gonna still give her I'm
willingness to give her propsfor that kudos to her for taking
the pay cut, because thecontract is the contract, but
(55:07):
and she didn't have to take apay cut.
Speaker 1 (55:09):
She chose to in order to help, presumably, her
employees, although, look, Idon't really know what like the
deal is with mbc, msnbc, behindthe scenes in in terms of
compensating their employees whoaren't on camera, and whether
or not this pay cut willactually make a difference.
I don't, I don't fucking know,but I will say this uh, everyone
at the network is hyper awareof the fact that joe amica took
(55:31):
that trip down to mar-a-lagoyeah you know, I think kayla
collins has been down theretrying to cover mar-a-lago and
we can talk about.
That's a version of what JoeAmica did.
Everyone at the network ishighly aware of what happened
with Joe Amica and your stalwartRachel here.
I checked out her showimmediately upon hearing the
(55:54):
news of Joe.
Amica that last Monday, and youknow who didn't say shit about
the prospect of the mediacomplying in advance with the
future dictator, Rachel.
She didn't say shit.
So you know, feel about thathow you want to, that's fair.
Yeah, if you expect MSNBC to bethese you know strong critics of
(56:17):
the Trump administration, well,you're probably not.
I mean, you're not going to berewarded in those expectations
if they're not even willing tocriticize their own hosts for
kowtowing to Trump.
So yeah, just that is.
Speaker 2 (56:31):
That is true, it's tough veering away from politics
momentarily.
Speaker 1 (56:38):
There was just this insane incident with this doctor
where well you know what.
We'll just let you see the clip.
Oh shit, according to, moredocuments.
Speaker 4 (56:48):
This video was taken in 2019, a diffine family
practice in blival.
In it, dr david diffine can beseen walking around naked,
including in the hallway betweenpatient rooms.
Another video clip sent inshows him in the receptionist
area walking around three womenand performing a sex act
(57:08):
directly in front of one of thewomen.
The clip ends with himejaculating on her.
According to the documents wereceived, not only did the woman
work in Diffinet's office as alab tech for another company.
She was one of his patients.
According to the person who sentthe board the videos, this all
happened during business hours.
They also claimed Diffinet usedhis quote position of power
(57:32):
sexual grooming salary increasesto groom employees and patients
into repulsive acts.
At least one person agrees.
Dr Bradley Diner with theArkansas Medical Foundation
wrote.
The pervasive behavior leads toconcerns about a sexual
compulsive disorder ofparaphilia, which may, in fact,
cross boundaries with hisdelivery of medical care.
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An investigator with theArkansas Department of Health
interviewed Dr Diffenine inSeptember.
According to the report fromthat interview, dr Diffine was
informed there were video clipsof his actions.
Speaker 1 (58:07):
You know how crazy you gotta be to be wandering
around your office butt-assnaked.
Speaker 2 (58:19):
And ejaculating on staff.
Speaker 1 (58:22):
No, wait, wait, wait before we even get there, just
to be wandering around theoffice, ass naked, dick swinging
just nude during the day duringoffice hours at a medical
facility.
You know how out of controlthat is.
That is out of control.
(58:43):
That's out of control.
Now, what's really crazy is youwould think if you were in a
position where you've gotten socomfortable with your job that
this is how you kick it and like, generally speaking, I don't
judge people if they're notinfringing on like other people,
like if this is how you kick itand this is what you're getting
(59:06):
away with, you would thinkmaybe if you wanted to keep
doing this, you would probablytry to figure out where the line
is and not cross it.
You know what this nigga didkeep it as far past the line is
and not cross it.
You know what this nigga did.
He went as far past the line asyou could.
He sprinted past that fuckingline like Wile E Coyote
(59:29):
Roadrunner style, as fast as hecould in shooting his shot on a
co-worker at the job.
Speaker 2 (59:37):
That shit is wild as fuck.
Speaker 1 (59:40):
You know, what?
Speaker 2 (59:41):
I'm going to get bucket ass naked and I'm going
to walk through my fuckingoffice and then I'm going to
fucking, I'm going to skeet onthis bitch.
Speaker 1 (59:55):
What the fuck like it's not, like he's like oh you
know I'm at the office late.
I just want to let it all hang.
It's like.
Let my boys breathe down therelike we solo, it's all good
office is closed.
Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
I'm gonna take my clothes off.
Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
It's like it's lunch time.
This was during office hoursit's lunchtime.
Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
This was during office hours he?
Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
it's lunchtime.
They got the pizza out.
Your boy is.
He's just dribbling all overthe pepperoni.
What is you know he?
You know who he voted for, outof control.
Now, look, I know this is notso look, the video is funny.
There's no denying that.
(01:00:42):
What is not funny is thecontent.
The circumstances are not funny, because there are a lot of
women all over America and theworld for that matter who live
in workplaces and are subject tosexual harassment on a regular
basis and are subject to sexualharassment on a regular basis
(01:01:03):
and are, you know I don't reallyknow a way to frame it other
than, like women are such goodsports about men's unacceptable
behavior that, like I I don'tknow whether I like should
applaud you or be upset that,like women, don't make more.
I just but again.
So it's not fun.
That part is not funny.
I understand anyone who'slistening to this, who's been in
(01:01:25):
a situation.
You've been sexually harassedor put in a situation like that
where your job is on the lineand you have to no, we are not
condoning that.
Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
No, we're not condoning, Totally no, this this
.
Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
This is an exotic control.
But also like if you're goingto do that dog, you can't work
somewhere that's got cameras.
You can't work somewhere that'sgot cameras.
True, don't make no sense.
Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
True.
Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
And I just, you know, look over this past year, this
podcast has talked far moreabout dicks than I ever thought
would be possible on a politicalpodcast.
Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
We can't get away from dicks.
What the fuck.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
This is not what I planned on when we started.
I don't know how we ended up inthis situation, but this is
this is the world we're in, andfor the next next four years
we're just going to be sittingaround with our dicks
figuratively in our hands.
And that concludes this episodeof Pardon, the Interaction.
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