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362: Dive into a fascinating biblical mystery as Pastor Plek and Pastor Holland unravel a perplexing passage from Hosea that seems to contradict God's earlier commands. Why would God punish Jehu for bloodshed in Jezreel when He had specifically ordered him to eliminate Ahab's descendants? The answer reveals a profound spiritual principle about following God's commands while missing His heart.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
and welcome back to pastor plex podcast.
I'm your host, pastor plec,along with pastor holland, and
I'm so glad all of you arejoining us from wherever you are
watching.
Uh, holland just got offsabbatical.
I know you guys have beenmissing him for quite a while.
Uh, that's put a cramp in a lotof our styles as far as
podcasts.
But, holland, you're back.
(00:26):
Glad to be back.
How's it feel to be back?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Feels so great.
I feel refreshed, energized andmotivated to do many more
podcasts, all right, so tell meabout your sabbatical experience
.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
What was that?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
It was one month, the month of July, where I did not
do any preaching or teaching orleading or hosting or anything
like that, and um spent the timeuh, instead resting um,
reflecting, praying and spendingtime with family visited some
(00:59):
other association churches.
So I got to go see um visitedsome churches that have
supported us at ECC as well.
So I was here at Wells branchone Sunday, the first Sunday.
Then we went to huddle Bibleand got to visit Taylor Bible
church and then one week we werein Arizona with my wife's side
of the family, um, and just wentto a random church out there,
(01:20):
so visiting other churches,praying, and I had like a couple
of things.
I was praying about threespecific things.
I was seeking some wisdom andclarity on that.
I got to really just devote awhole month of prayer to which
was really good.
Did you get any answers?
Got some answers on one and Igot some.
You know next steps for theother two.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Oh, I love next steps .
Next steps are great,especially when they're really
clear.
That's always very.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah, it was awesome.
I felt like the Lord refreshedmyself Any insights you want to
share with us on what the Lordspoke to you.
Not here at this time.
I love it.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
It's top secret mystery that Holland is really
wrestling with, which I canappreciate.
Okay, we're going to jump intoa question that we got from a
Sunday, but it had nothing to dowith a Sunday morning message.
Are you ready for the question?
Ready, here it is.
Our community group has juststarted reading the book of
Hosea this past Friday.
(02:13):
In Hosea 1.4, the scripturetalks about punishing Jehu for
the blood of Jezreel.
I want to know what that meant,so I started scripture hunting
and read a few chapters from 1Kings and 2 Kings.
God told Elijah to anoint Jehuking and to punish Ahab's family
.
So Jehu reflects his justice,but his character is crafty and
(02:36):
he doesn't choose to follow Godafter he accomplishes his
purpose.
But in Hosea, god is punishingJehu for doing what he was
called to do.
I am more confused why isGomer's first son named Jezreel?
Speaker 2 (02:49):
All right, what do you think?
Great question Context in 1Kings you meet the original Ahab
Right.
So I'm reading through 1 Kingswith my oldest son right now.
It's been really awesome.
And Ahab is son of Omri right.
I'm pretty sure he's son ofOmri and he Omri, terrible king,
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Bad king, Ahab, even worse,Right Just kind of goes down as
like this is the worst kingIsrael has ever seen.
But doesn't Ahab repent at?
Speaker 1 (03:20):
the end Does he?
I think he does repent at theend.
Does he?
I think he does, I think so.
Let me just do a quick check.
I'm almost positive that herepents, kind of like how
Manasseh repented.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
We're still in.
We just did Elijah and theprophets of Baal, so we're a few
chapters away from Ahab'srepentance.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
He talks about how God says to Elijah have you seen
how Ahab has humbled himselfbefore me?
There you go, because he hashumbled himself.
I will not bring the disasterin his days, but in his son's
days.
I will bring the disaster onhis house.
Which is that worse?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Or is that so?
It's interesting.
It is common for God to punishthe son or descendants of a king
for their sins, right, you knowwhen?
Speaker 1 (04:06):
that stops, whenever, punishing the sons, ezekiel,
all right, I will no longerpunish the sons for their
father's iniquity, anyway.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And so you see it with Davidlosing his baby after Bathsheba.
Yep, you see it with Solomonand saying, hey, I'm, I'm going
to, yeah, I'm going to split thekingdom.
Uh, you know from your son.
And so you get the dividebetween Rehoboam and the house
of Judah and Jeroboam and thehouse of Israel.
(04:38):
And that's where Ahab comes inthe house of Israel.
Right, he sends, you know,greatly the worst king for a
while, repents toward the end,um and uh, even in his
repentance, though he doesn'tlike totally rid the idols and
the statues and stuff, right,yeah, but he but he makes enough
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of a repentant move.
Ahab does uh-huh that he thatgod like, points out to elijah
yeah and so so, following that,it says the punishment will come
on his descendants, right,right.
And so then this is where thequestion comes in to 2 Kings,
where Elijah, the Lord, throughElijah, appoints Jehu to
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slaughter the sons, thedescendants of Ahab, to fully
end his line Right.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
I love the part where he tells Elijah to prophecy and
then get out of there as fasthe can.
Right, and then run, yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
And so Jehu's got this divine mission to end the
line of Ahab by killing all ofthe, you know, his whole family,
specifically all the male 70sons, right, yep.
And so Jehu does this in thevalley of Jezreel, and um and on
(05:58):
.
But then he goes further.
As he's leaving Jezreel, headedto Samaria, he also encounters
some other distant relatives andhe kills all them as well.
And so when it gets to Hosea1.4, that the question brought
up of, let's just read that, youhave it in front of you.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
No, but I can pull it up.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Okay, I got it.
I got it All right.
So the question she brought upfrom Hosea was it says the Lord
said to him, which is Gomer Lordsaid to Gomer call his name
Jezreel, for in just a littlewhile I will punish the house of
Jehu for the blood of Jezreeland I'll put an end to the
kingdom of the house of Israel,and on that day I'll break the
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bow of Israel in the valley ofJezreel.
So the question is okay, ifGod's the one who told Jehu to
kill Ahab's sons in Jezreel,then why is God now going to
punish the house of Jehu for theblood of Jezreel?
Is that the question.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
That's the question, okay, because it seems like
didn't Jehu just do what he wastold?
Yeah, and he does.
But we point out two things.
One, he goes beyond that andwipes out even more people,
right, yeah, so he doesn't justkill his sons.
And then we find that Jehu kindof continues in the wickedness
of Ahab, yeah, of Ahab kind ofrendering all the murder not
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murder all the killing that hedid like ineffective.
That was a lot of bloodshed forno change.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Yeah, so in 2 Kings 10, it says that, but Jehu,
verse 31,.
Jehu was not careful to walk inthe law of the Lord, the God of
Israel, with all his heart.
He did not turn from the sinsof Jeroboam, which he made
Israel to sin.
So Jeroboam was the ancestor ofAhab, you know, the one who
just every single king in thisline was corrupt and wicked and
worshiped Baal.
And so the idea is that Jehu,even after doing what God said,
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he ended the line of Ahab.
The point of that was that Ahabworshiped Baal, right, and then
Jehu ends that line, but thencontinues to worship Baal.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
And we all know from Jeroboam the sin of Jeroboam,
the thing that he did that wasso wild is he put a cultic
symbol, which was a golden calf,in Dan in the north and
Beersheba in the south, andsamaria.
Um right yeah yeah, so he, he'sgot this north and south cultic
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thing because he was afraid thatpeople would go to jerusalem to
worship and then give theirallegiance to judah.
So his, his whole life wasruled by fear.
And so then he's like, heacquiesced and he goes like this
is who brought you up?
He said the same exact thingthat Aaron said yeah Right,
behold the God who brought youup out of Egypt.
And so they prostitutedthemselves before um the golden
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calves.
And so he violates firstcommandment.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Second commandment um creates his own priesthood
Right.
Um just kind of invents his ownreligion Right and bale worship
shocking that that would happen.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Yeah, so I I feel like you know, nothing changes,
right.
We all invent religions.
They and and this was clearlywicked it was idolatrous.
And the idolatry is the partwhere god's like you gotta be
kidding me.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
And so all that bloodshed in jezreel was
literally for nothing, becauseyou're no different than ahab
yeah, so so the problem thathe's punishing, you know he says
I'm going to punish the houseof Jehu for the blood of Jezreel
.
So the blood of Jezreel, theslaughtering of Ahab's sons was
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God's command.
Right.
But you know, either you knowhim going further than that and
slaughtering more people, Right,him going further than that and
slaughtering more people, orthe fact that, despite shedding
the blood of Ahab's sons andkilling them, he continues the
sins anyway.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Because Elijah said the Lord has called you and
Elijah is speaking for the Godof Israel he's not—and he
anoints him and he believes him.
I feel like this is you know ifwe're going to get an
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application.
I feel like a lot of times, webelieve God on things that align
up with our ambitions and we'relike, nah, on the other stuff
that doesn't, and that's hard.
Like I want to be king.
Sweet, I'll do the king thing Iwant.
You need to follow all of God'slaw.
Nah, I'm good yeah right.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
And so God is not punishing Jehu for doing what
God told him to do, but ratherfor missing the entire point
behind why God told him to do itby continuing the sins of Ahab
and Jeroboam.
Right.
Agree with that?
Yeah, okay, yeah 100%.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah, so I think that .
And so, remember, jezreel alsomeans God scatters, yeah, and so
that also became a propheticmoment, like Jezreel was a
location just called Jezreel,but then the kids named that too
, because each kid was supposedto be its own sermon, a walking,
living sermon, so to speak.
And so whenever these kidswould grow up, we'd remember
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that God scatters, right, hey,there's God scatters, which
eventually God would scatter hispeople, but then one day he
would bring back his people tohimself spiritually and there
would be this like kind ofconsecration of God's people.
So, yeah, so I don't.
I think that's sort of wild.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Yeah, you gotta also.
You know.
You keep reading, you know okay, and call this daughter, no
mercy, right.
But then you keep reading andDown three or no that.
Now you're in verse nine.
The Lord said call his name,not my people, for your, not my
people, I'm not your God.
And then verse 10 and 11 arereally important.
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Yet the number of children ofIsrael shall be like the sand of
the sea, which cannot bemeasured or numbered.
And in the place where it wassaid to them you're not my
people, it shall shall begathered together and they shall
appoint for themselves one headand they shall go up from the
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land, for great shall be the dayof Jezreel.
So it's pointing to God'sredemption that's coming.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Jezreel means God scatters, and he will gather
them back together, right.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
So it's really and ultimately he does that through
Jesus Christ he gathers togetherhis people not only from the
house of Judah and the house ofIsrael, but from Samaria, from
the Gentiles to the ends of theearth.
He gathers all of his electthrough faith in Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Right, well, because Israel doesn't get actually
gathered back, right, they justassimilate into Assyria, yeah
right, and they become theSamaritans, right yeah.
And then who Jesus one dayredeems.
Yeah, and he does go and preachto the lost house of Israel,
which was his mission, and sothey were included in that in
(12:52):
John 4.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Yeah, it's only in the.
You see, like the book of Actsis the beginning of, you know,
you'll be my witnesses inJerusalem and Judea and Samaria,
right, and so Samaria, you know, including Israel, right, um,
and to the ends of the earth.
And so it's really through thepreaching of the gospel and the
great commission that Godgathers his people, yeah, judah
(13:13):
and Israel, samaria and theGentiles, into one body in
Christ, which.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
I, I.
I do appreciate that he makes aspecific calling out to Samaria
, or the Samaritans, because itreally does fulfill this call of
prophecy of Jezreel of where hewould one day bring them back.
Because, remember how Jesussays I'm not sure if this was
the Syrophoenician woman Ididn't come.
(13:38):
I came for the children ofIsrael.
I only came for the children ofIsrael and or I didn't come to,
yeah, I only came for the losthouse of Israel, and I think
that is here.
You're seeing it here.
They are lost and he'sgathering them to himself and
clearly it's a fulfillment ofthat prophecy.
So whenever Jesus talks, he'sspecifically always referencing
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in like a double reference.
There's always a connection tothe old testament that he's kind
of answering.
And then, specifically, he waswanting lost people to be found.
Uh, especially samaritans, buttheir history of being israel
was powerful.
Yeah, nailed it all right.
Which then gets us to is Shouldwe talk about that again?
It's your podcast.
You know, recently I've beenlistening to gosh.
(14:28):
I got the it's like thismartyrdom podcast.
This guy is completely secularbut he has done a good job on
history.
It's called Fear and Loathing inthe.
Let's see Fear and Loathing,shoot, shoot.
Yeah, fear and Loathing.
Sorry, I'm not going to get it.
Fear and Loathing in the NewJerusalem, and I've only made it
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through about an hour and 15minutes of it.
Okay, and it's like atwo-parter, or at least two
parts, and the first one's anhour 45.
So it's I'm sorry, the firstone is two hours and 15.
So I only made it through anhour hour 45 of the first part,
gotcha.
Hour 45 of the first part,gotcha.
and anyway he talks about thepogroms, which is like where the
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jews in europe were abused andmurdered just on the regular,
when people would just go psychoand just kill a whole
neighborhood of jews becausethey're frustrated with the jews
taking over their city or beingtoo influential or whatever the
thing was.
And then the big move in the 18, late 1800s, the jews started
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to leave europe.
And where do you think theywent?
Where did they go?
They went to palestine becausetheir brother ishmael was kind
to them.
Muslims, yeah.
So, which is wild, because wealways think that the muslims
and jews have hated each theirbrother.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Ishmael was kind to them.
Bah bah bah the Muslims.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Yeah, which is wild because we always think that the
Muslims and Jews have hatedeach other for forever.
But actually they were sort ofwelcomed into Palestine by the
Muslims.
Now, at first it was just asmall number of immigrants and
then over time they grew andthey grew and they grew and then
, with dispensationalism comingon the scene in the late 1850s,
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really taking a height into theearly 1900s, fulfilling its
complete height in 1948, whereIsrael is then restored, kind of
wild.
And that's where you see theJews in the two-state sort of
solution that we see today, orreally one-state solution now.
But when people always say,like the Jews and the Muslims
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have always been fighting eachother not necessarily true it
was the Christians that wereinitially wiping them out
because they were reallyfrustrated with them trying to
implement their Jewish law anddoing Jewish things in Christian
parts of Europe InterestingKind of Europe.
Interesting Kind of wild.
So there's a fun fact for allthose that are.
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Well, I know what's the latestwith Israel is and how you
should think about them.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
See.
So tell me when you say youknow that Israel was restored.
Yeah, To me I go.
Modern day Israel is nothinglike the Israel that we read of
in the Bible, in that the Israelthat we read of in the Old
Testament is a covenant peoplebound by the old covenant, with
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a temple system.
The old covenant's gone, nowobsolete.
The temple's destroyed, Right.
So there hasn't been arestoration of old covenant
Israel.
There's been a creation of anew nation state that uses the
name Israel, but you can't sayreally that it's the same.
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It's a restoration of whathappened before.
What if they got the temple up?
It's a restoration of whathappened before.
What if they got the temple up?
Well, it would be blasphemous,because the temple system has
been eradicated and replaced byJesus.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
So it wouldn't be the same.
I always go back to it.
I'm not saying that Israel is.
You know, the sacrificialsystem is any way shape or form
of God.
It would be them trying to formtheir nation, however—.
That wouldn't be a restoration,then it would be— Because now
they're doing it against God,clearly clearly, but I do think
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it would be what is necessaryfor the events of Revelation to
unfold.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Yeah, right, and that's where we disagree,
because for me, you're sayingthe events of Revelation,
meaning that the Antichrist isgoing to take his seat in the
temple of God.
Right, right, abomination ofdesolation?
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Yes, but you also think the abomination of
desolation is going to happen inthe future.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Yeah, so let me say the official position of Wells
Branch Community Church, I know,is a premillennial position,
dispensational, it's the rightone, sure, sure, sure.
So what I'm saying here, let memake clear, is not the official
position, but I'm allowed tohave this position.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Because it's a tertiary doctrine.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
We're allowed to argue this here's my in
submission to the officialposition.
Here's my take in that when itsays the man of lawlessness is
going to take his seat in thetemple of God and lead a
rebellion.
Seat in the temple of God andlead a rebellion In the New
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Testament.
What is the temple in the NewTestament?
It's the church, jesus, jesusor the church, okay, sure, I'm
thinking of like Ephesians,where it says that we are built
up into a holy temple, right,body of Christ also, yes, body
of Christ, yeah, um.
And in first Peter, we're likeliving stones, um being built up
to form a spiritual temple,right, um.
When Paul says that, um, thechurch is the temple of the Holy
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spirit, um, or he also saysyour body, yes, but so I mean
yes, but he also says thechurches.
Okay, you want me to get some?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
verses.
I want some verses here now.
Okay, hold on.
I mean, I guess he is sayingy'all are the temple, right?
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Yeah, because.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
I think we always take that as second person
singular and it's probablysecond person plural.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Yeah, so if you just go into your Bible app and type
temple, you can see hereEphesians 2.21, in whom the
whole structure, being joinedtogether, grows into a holy
temple in the Lord, and that'stalking about the church.
Second Corinthians 616, whatagreement has the temple of God
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with idols?
For we, plural, are the templeof the living God, nice, nice,
as God said, I will make mydwelling among them and walk
among them, and I will be theirGod and they shall be my people.
That's the new covenant promise.
So what is the new covenanttemple?
It's the people of God.
Yeah, therefore, when it saysin Thessalonians that he'll take
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his seat in the temple of God,I take that to mean the temple
of God as it is being referredto in the New Testament as the
church.
This is someone who's going torise up from within the church
actually, and present himself asa false Christ.
That's what it calls him Anantichrist who seeks to be
worshipped by others.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Oh, wow, Okay, wait, wait, wait, Slow down for the
kids in the back.
Okay, so you're saying that,what is it Revelation?
Where is in Revelation whatchapter?
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Where he stands up and it's the I'm talking about 2
Thessalonians, where it sayslet no one deceive you in any
way that the day of the Lord hascome Right, for that day will
not come unless the rebellioncomes first and the man of
lawlessness is revealed, the sonof destruction, who opposes and
exalts himself against everyso-called God or object of
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worship, so that he takes hisseat in the temple of God,
proclaiming himself to be God.
So this is where he saysthere's going to be someone who
claims to be God and takes theirseat in the temple of God.
So what I think that means ishe actually rises up from within
the church as a false messiahwho's commanding to be
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worshipped, because down inverse—this is 2 Thessalonians 2.
Down in verse 9, it says thecoming of the lawless one is by
the activity of Satan, with allpower and false signs and
wonders and with all wickeddeception.
Um, yeah, so he's—the coming ofthe lawless one.
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That's the Greek word.
You know the parousia, right?
It's compared and contrastedwith the coming of Jesus, the
return of Jesus.
This is someone who—the comingof the lawless one is someone
who's really—he's saying hey,you need to worship me, I'm the
true Messiah.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
I am with you, okay, like I like where you're going.
Messiah, I am with you, okay,like I like where you're going.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
My only problem is when Paul writes this letter to
the Thessalonians, the temple isstill there, right, so the
temple the actual, but he's nolonger calling that when he when
he so I just shared, you know,four different places, three or
four different places in the NewTestament where he says temple
to refer to the people of God.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Sure, but in this particular letter he doesn't do
that, and I think that's wherehe's like.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Well, you could say the same about Ephesians and 1
Corinthians or 2 Corinthians,Right.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
But if like.
When he says we are the temple,why would he say he takes his
seat in the assembly, but hegoes with temple.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
He goes with temple in 2 Corinthians and Ephesians
as well.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
And so does Peter in 1 Peter.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Yeah, I just think that that would be a— when we're
talking about the man oflawlessness, the revealed, the
son of destruction, who posesand exalts himself in every
so-called god.
I mean he's referring back towhat Daniel 7?
When he stands up and that'skind of in the temple, and so
it's the same sort of idea of inthe temple, and so that's the
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part where I'm like I strugglethere with him thinking that's
just the people of God.
I do think he was referencingthe people of God as the new
temple all the time to kind ofget them to see how valuable and
important they are for theirgathering and for their worship
and how they're gatheringtogether equated to experiencing
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temple life, especially whenyou get to confess sin to God
and take communion every week orwhenever they gather.
But I think that's where Idisagree on on obviously Right.
So I like where you're, I likethe thought of that, but I have
a hard time seeing that fromsecond Thessalonians, as him not
actually referring to abuilding in that that time, as
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opposed to referring to thepeople of God.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Yeah, hey, you've got the official position.
Okay, I'm just the nobody herewith the different opinion.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Well, I appreciate that.
Well, hey, listen, I'm going tobe listening more about this
Israel stuff because it doescome out politically of like
where do you stand and do youtake a Ted Cruz position, which
is I learned sometime in Sundayschool which no kid is learning
about Israel in Sunday school.
I'm just letting you know thatright now.
Maybe they had a way betterchildren's ministry where they
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taught eschatology and youshould support Israel.
I don't know, Maybe they did,but that just seemed odd to me.
On his Tucker Carlson, Inoticed.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
There's some new churches being planted in Austin
right now who have on theirwebsite they're, you know, they
have here children's ministry,sunday service times our
position on Israel.
So I'm no joke, wow, all right,hey, and it's a big deal, it's
a really big deal.
And so to some churches,absolutely Well way to go.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Yeah and listen.
I love Israel, I'm for them.
I just don't know if I want togo theologically down the road
that a lot of them are going.
I'm all for Israel as far as anindependent, democratic, pretty
much same values that the UShas, but I don't know if I want
to go a theological position tolike.
Those who bless Israel will beblessed from that standpoint,
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although the Bible does say that, so I understand how people can
get there, point, although, theBible does say that.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
So I understand how people can get there, yeah,
Understanding how people can getthere, yes.
So we've talked about this onebefore.
I want to bless Israel.
But Israel I believe the NewTestament is clear is the people
of God, the church that havebeen grafted in by faith in
Jesus.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
My only caveat to that is God still has a plan for
Israel, which I think involvesthe nation state which I think
one day will bring the Israel,which I think involves the
nation state which I think oneday will bring the temple, which
then one day the man of lawlesswill stand and try and make
everyone see that he is God, andthen we won't even be there
because we'll be raptured.
But that's just my view.
I guess we'll see.
Hey, thanks so much forwatching.
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God bless you.
and welcome back to pastor plex podcast.
I'm your host, pastor plec,along with pastor holland, and
I'm so glad all of you arejoining us from wherever you are
watching.
Uh, holland just got offsabbatical.
I know you guys have beenmissing him for quite a while.
Uh, that's put a cramp in a lotof our styles as far as
podcasts.
But, holland, you're back.
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Glad to be back.
How's it feel to be back?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Feels so great.
I feel refreshed, energized andmotivated to do many more
podcasts, all right, so tell meabout your sabbatical experience
.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
What was that?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
It was one month, the month of July, where I did not
do any preaching or teaching orleading or hosting or anything
like that, and um spent the timeuh, instead resting um,
reflecting, praying and spendingtime with family visited some
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other association churches.
So I got to go see um visitedsome churches that have
supported us at ECC as well.
So I was here at Wells branchone Sunday, the first Sunday.
Then we went to huddle Bibleand got to visit Taylor Bible
church and then one week we werein Arizona with my wife's side
of the family, um, and just wentto a random church out there,
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so visiting other churches,praying, and I had like a couple
of things.
I was praying about threespecific things.
I was seeking some wisdom andclarity on that.
I got to really just devote awhole month of prayer to which
was really good.
Did you get any answers?
Got some answers on one and Igot some.
You know next steps for theother two.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Oh, I love next steps .
Next steps are great,especially when they're really
clear.
That's always very.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah, it was awesome.
I felt like the Lord refreshedmyself Any insights you want to
share with us on what the Lordspoke to you.
Not here at this time.
I love it.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
It's top secret mystery that Holland is really
wrestling with, which I canappreciate.
Okay, we're going to jump intoa question that we got from a
Sunday, but it had nothing to dowith a Sunday morning message.
Are you ready for the question?
Ready, here it is.
Our community group has juststarted reading the book of
Hosea this past Friday.
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In Hosea 1.4, the scripturetalks about punishing Jehu for
the blood of Jezreel.
I want to know what that meant,so I started scripture hunting
and read a few chapters from 1Kings and 2 Kings.
God told Elijah to anoint Jehuking and to punish Ahab's family
.
So Jehu reflects his justice,but his character is crafty and
(02:36):
he doesn't choose to follow Godafter he accomplishes his
purpose.
But in Hosea, god is punishingJehu for doing what he was
called to do.
I am more confused why isGomer's first son named Jezreel?
Speaker 2 (02:49):
All right, what do you think?
Great question Context in 1Kings you meet the original Ahab
Right.
So I'm reading through 1 Kingswith my oldest son right now.
It's been really awesome.
And Ahab is son of Omri right.
I'm pretty sure he's son ofOmri and he Omri, terrible king,
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Bad king, Ahab, even worse,Right Just kind of goes down as
like this is the worst kingIsrael has ever seen.
But doesn't Ahab repent at?
Speaker 1 (03:20):
the end Does he?
I think he does repent at theend.
Does he?
I think he does, I think so.
Let me just do a quick check.
I'm almost positive that herepents, kind of like how
Manasseh repented.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
We're still in.
We just did Elijah and theprophets of Baal, so we're a few
chapters away from Ahab'srepentance.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
He talks about how God says to Elijah have you seen
how Ahab has humbled himselfbefore me?
There you go, because he hashumbled himself.
I will not bring the disasterin his days, but in his son's
days.
I will bring the disaster onhis house.
Which is that worse?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Or is that so?
It's interesting.
It is common for God to punishthe son or descendants of a king
for their sins, right, you knowwhen?
Speaker 1 (04:06):
that stops, whenever, punishing the sons, ezekiel,
all right, I will no longerpunish the sons for their
father's iniquity, anyway.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And so you see it with Davidlosing his baby after Bathsheba.
Yep, you see it with Solomonand saying, hey, I'm, I'm going
to, yeah, I'm going to split thekingdom.
Uh, you know from your son.
And so you get the dividebetween Rehoboam and the house
of Judah and Jeroboam and thehouse of Israel.
(04:38):
And that's where Ahab comes inthe house of Israel.
Right, he sends, you know,greatly the worst king for a
while, repents toward the end,um and uh, even in his
repentance, though he doesn'tlike totally rid the idols and
the statues and stuff, right,yeah, but he but he makes enough
(04:58):
of a repentant move.
Ahab does uh-huh that he thatgod like, points out to elijah
yeah and so so, following that,it says the punishment will come
on his descendants, right,right.
And so then this is where thequestion comes in to 2 Kings,
where Elijah, the Lord, throughElijah, appoints Jehu to
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slaughter the sons, thedescendants of Ahab, to fully
end his line Right.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
I love the part where he tells Elijah to prophecy and
then get out of there as fasthe can.
Right, and then run, yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
And so Jehu's got this divine mission to end the
line of Ahab by killing all ofthe, you know, his whole family,
specifically all the male 70sons, right, yep.
And so Jehu does this in thevalley of Jezreel, and um and on
(05:58):
.
But then he goes further.
As he's leaving Jezreel, headedto Samaria, he also encounters
some other distant relatives andhe kills all them as well.
And so when it gets to Hosea1.4, that the question brought
up of, let's just read that, youhave it in front of you.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
No, but I can pull it up.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Okay, I got it.
I got it All right.
So the question she brought upfrom Hosea was it says the Lord
said to him, which is Gomer Lordsaid to Gomer call his name
Jezreel, for in just a littlewhile I will punish the house of
Jehu for the blood of Jezreeland I'll put an end to the
kingdom of the house of Israel,and on that day I'll break the
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bow of Israel in the valley ofJezreel.
So the question is okay, ifGod's the one who told Jehu to
kill Ahab's sons in Jezreel,then why is God now going to
punish the house of Jehu for theblood of Jezreel?
Is that the question.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
That's the question, okay, because it seems like
didn't Jehu just do what he wastold?
Yeah, and he does.
But we point out two things.
One, he goes beyond that andwipes out even more people,
right, yeah, so he doesn't justkill his sons.
And then we find that Jehu kindof continues in the wickedness
of Ahab, yeah, of Ahab kind ofrendering all the murder not
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murder all the killing that hedid like ineffective.
That was a lot of bloodshed forno change.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Yeah, so in 2 Kings 10, it says that, but Jehu,
verse 31,.
Jehu was not careful to walk inthe law of the Lord, the God of
Israel, with all his heart.
He did not turn from the sinsof Jeroboam, which he made
Israel to sin.
So Jeroboam was the ancestor ofAhab, you know, the one who
just every single king in thisline was corrupt and wicked and
worshiped Baal.
And so the idea is that Jehu,even after doing what God said,
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he ended the line of Ahab.
The point of that was that Ahabworshiped Baal, right, and then
Jehu ends that line, but thencontinues to worship Baal.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
And we all know from Jeroboam the sin of Jeroboam,
the thing that he did that wasso wild is he put a cultic
symbol, which was a golden calf,in Dan in the north and
Beersheba in the south, andsamaria.
Um right yeah yeah, so he, he'sgot this north and south cultic
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thing because he was afraid thatpeople would go to jerusalem to
worship and then give theirallegiance to judah.
So his, his whole life wasruled by fear.
And so then he's like, heacquiesced and he goes like this
is who brought you up?
He said the same exact thingthat Aaron said yeah Right,
behold the God who brought youup out of Egypt.
And so they prostitutedthemselves before um the golden
(08:52):
calves.
And so he violates firstcommandment.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Second commandment um creates his own priesthood
Right.
Um just kind of invents his ownreligion Right and bale worship
shocking that that would happen.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Yeah, so I I feel like you know, nothing changes,
right.
We all invent religions.
They and and this was clearlywicked it was idolatrous.
And the idolatry is the partwhere god's like you gotta be
kidding me.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
And so all that bloodshed in jezreel was
literally for nothing, becauseyou're no different than ahab
yeah, so so the problem thathe's punishing, you know he says
I'm going to punish the houseof Jehu for the blood of Jezreel
.
So the blood of Jezreel, theslaughtering of Ahab's sons was
(09:35):
God's command.
Right.
But you know, either you knowhim going further than that and
slaughtering more people, Right,him going further than that and
slaughtering more people, orthe fact that, despite shedding
the blood of Ahab's sons andkilling them, he continues the
sins anyway.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Because Elijah said the Lord has called you and
Elijah is speaking for the Godof Israel he's not—and he
anoints him and he believes him.
I feel like this is you know ifwe're going to get an
(10:10):
application.
I feel like a lot of times, webelieve God on things that align
up with our ambitions and we'relike, nah, on the other stuff
that doesn't, and that's hard.
Like I want to be king.
Sweet, I'll do the king thing Iwant.
You need to follow all of God'slaw.
Nah, I'm good yeah right.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
And so God is not punishing Jehu for doing what
God told him to do, but ratherfor missing the entire point
behind why God told him to do itby continuing the sins of Ahab
and Jeroboam.
Right.
Agree with that?
Yeah, okay, yeah 100%.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah, so I think that .
And so, remember, jezreel alsomeans God scatters, yeah, and so
that also became a propheticmoment, like Jezreel was a
location just called Jezreel,but then the kids named that too
, because each kid was supposedto be its own sermon, a walking,
living sermon, so to speak.
And so whenever these kidswould grow up, we'd remember
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that God scatters, right, hey,there's God scatters, which
eventually God would scatter hispeople, but then one day he
would bring back his people tohimself spiritually and there
would be this like kind ofconsecration of God's people.
So, yeah, so I don't.
I think that's sort of wild.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Yeah, you gotta also.
You know.
You keep reading, you know okay, and call this daughter, no
mercy, right.
But then you keep reading andDown three or no that.
Now you're in verse nine.
The Lord said call his name,not my people, for your, not my
people, I'm not your God.
And then verse 10 and 11 arereally important.
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Yet the number of children ofIsrael shall be like the sand of
the sea, which cannot bemeasured or numbered.
And in the place where it wassaid to them you're not my
people, it shall shall begathered together and they shall
appoint for themselves one headand they shall go up from the
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land, for great shall be the dayof Jezreel.
So it's pointing to God'sredemption that's coming.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Jezreel means God scatters, and he will gather
them back together, right.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
So it's really and ultimately he does that through
Jesus Christ he gathers togetherhis people not only from the
house of Judah and the house ofIsrael, but from Samaria, from
the Gentiles to the ends of theearth.
He gathers all of his electthrough faith in Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Right, well, because Israel doesn't get actually
gathered back, right, they justassimilate into Assyria, yeah
right, and they become theSamaritans, right yeah.
And then who Jesus one dayredeems.
Yeah, and he does go and preachto the lost house of Israel,
which was his mission, and sothey were included in that in
(12:52):
John 4.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Yeah, it's only in the.
You see, like the book of Actsis the beginning of, you know,
you'll be my witnesses inJerusalem and Judea and Samaria,
right, and so Samaria, you know, including Israel, right, um,
and to the ends of the earth.
And so it's really through thepreaching of the gospel and the
great commission that Godgathers his people, yeah, judah
(13:13):
and Israel, samaria and theGentiles, into one body in
Christ, which.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
I, I.
I do appreciate that he makes aspecific calling out to Samaria
, or the Samaritans, because itreally does fulfill this call of
prophecy of Jezreel of where hewould one day bring them back.
Because, remember how Jesussays I'm not sure if this was
the Syrophoenician woman Ididn't come.
(13:38):
I came for the children ofIsrael.
I only came for the children ofIsrael and or I didn't come to,
yeah, I only came for the losthouse of Israel, and I think
that is here.
You're seeing it here.
They are lost and he'sgathering them to himself and
clearly it's a fulfillment ofthat prophecy.
So whenever Jesus talks, he'sspecifically always referencing
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in like a double reference.
There's always a connection tothe old testament that he's kind
of answering.
And then, specifically, he waswanting lost people to be found.
Uh, especially samaritans, buttheir history of being israel
was powerful.
Yeah, nailed it all right.
Which then gets us to is Shouldwe talk about that again?
It's your podcast.
You know, recently I've beenlistening to gosh.
(14:28):
I got the it's like thismartyrdom podcast.
This guy is completely secularbut he has done a good job on
history.
It's called Fear and Loathing inthe.
Let's see Fear and Loathing,shoot, shoot.
Yeah, fear and Loathing.
Sorry, I'm not going to get it.
Fear and Loathing in the NewJerusalem, and I've only made it
(14:50):
through about an hour and 15minutes of it.
Okay, and it's like atwo-parter, or at least two
parts, and the first one's anhour 45.
So it's I'm sorry, the firstone is two hours and 15.
So I only made it through anhour hour 45 of the first part,
gotcha.
Hour 45 of the first part,gotcha.
and anyway he talks about thepogroms, which is like where the
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jews in europe were abused andmurdered just on the regular,
when people would just go psychoand just kill a whole
neighborhood of jews becausethey're frustrated with the jews
taking over their city or beingtoo influential or whatever the
thing was.
And then the big move in the 18, late 1800s, the jews started
(15:37):
to leave europe.
And where do you think theywent?
Where did they go?
They went to palestine becausetheir brother ishmael was kind
to them.
Muslims, yeah.
So, which is wild, because wealways think that the muslims
and jews have hated each theirbrother.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Ishmael was kind to them.
Bah bah bah the Muslims.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Yeah, which is wild because we always think that the
Muslims and Jews have hatedeach other for forever.
But actually they were sort ofwelcomed into Palestine by the
Muslims.
Now, at first it was just asmall number of immigrants and
then over time they grew andthey grew and they grew and then
, with dispensationalism comingon the scene in the late 1850s,
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really taking a height into theearly 1900s, fulfilling its
complete height in 1948, whereIsrael is then restored, kind of
wild.
And that's where you see theJews in the two-state sort of
solution that we see today, orreally one-state solution now.
But when people always say,like the Jews and the Muslims
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have always been fighting eachother not necessarily true it
was the Christians that wereinitially wiping them out
because they were reallyfrustrated with them trying to
implement their Jewish law anddoing Jewish things in Christian
parts of Europe InterestingKind of Europe.
Interesting Kind of wild.
So there's a fun fact for allthose that are.
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Well, I know what's the latestwith Israel is and how you
should think about them.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
See.
So tell me when you say youknow that Israel was restored.
Yeah, To me I go.
Modern day Israel is nothinglike the Israel that we read of
in the Bible, in that the Israelthat we read of in the Old
Testament is a covenant peoplebound by the old covenant, with
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a temple system.
The old covenant's gone, nowobsolete.
The temple's destroyed, Right.
So there hasn't been arestoration of old covenant
Israel.
There's been a creation of anew nation state that uses the
name Israel, but you can't sayreally that it's the same.
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It's a restoration of whathappened before.
What if they got the temple up?
It's a restoration of whathappened before.
What if they got the temple up?
Well, it would be blasphemous,because the temple system has
been eradicated and replaced byJesus.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
So it wouldn't be the same.
I always go back to it.
I'm not saying that Israel is.
You know, the sacrificialsystem is any way shape or form
of God.
It would be them trying to formtheir nation, however—.
That wouldn't be a restoration,then it would be— Because now
they're doing it against God,clearly clearly, but I do think
(18:24):
it would be what is necessaryfor the events of Revelation to
unfold.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Yeah, right, and that's where we disagree,
because for me, you're sayingthe events of Revelation,
meaning that the Antichrist isgoing to take his seat in the
temple of God.
Right, right, abomination ofdesolation?
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Yes, but you also think the abomination of
desolation is going to happen inthe future.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Yeah, so let me say the official position of Wells
Branch Community Church, I know,is a premillennial position,
dispensational, it's the rightone, sure, sure, sure.
So what I'm saying here, let memake clear, is not the official
position, but I'm allowed tohave this position.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Because it's a tertiary doctrine.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
We're allowed to argue this here's my in
submission to the officialposition.
Here's my take in that when itsays the man of lawlessness is
going to take his seat in thetemple of God and lead a
rebellion.
Seat in the temple of God andlead a rebellion In the New
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Testament.
What is the temple in the NewTestament?
It's the church, jesus, jesusor the church, okay, sure, I'm
thinking of like Ephesians,where it says that we are built
up into a holy temple, right,body of Christ also, yes, body
of Christ, yeah, um.
And in first Peter, we're likeliving stones, um being built up
to form a spiritual temple,right, um.
When Paul says that, um, thechurch is the temple of the Holy
(19:59):
spirit, um, or he also saysyour body, yes, but so I mean
yes, but he also says thechurches.
Okay, you want me to get some?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
verses.
I want some verses here now.
Okay, hold on.
I mean, I guess he is sayingy'all are the temple, right?
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Yeah, because.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
I think we always take that as second person
singular and it's probablysecond person plural.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Yeah, so if you just go into your Bible app and type
temple, you can see hereEphesians 2.21, in whom the
whole structure, being joinedtogether, grows into a holy
temple in the Lord, and that'stalking about the church.
Second Corinthians 616, whatagreement has the temple of God
(20:40):
with idols?
For we, plural, are the templeof the living God, nice, nice,
as God said, I will make mydwelling among them and walk
among them, and I will be theirGod and they shall be my people.
That's the new covenant promise.
So what is the new covenanttemple?
It's the people of God.
Yeah, therefore, when it saysin Thessalonians that he'll take
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his seat in the temple of God,I take that to mean the temple
of God as it is being referredto in the New Testament as the
church.
This is someone who's going torise up from within the church
actually, and present himself asa false Christ.
That's what it calls him Anantichrist who seeks to be
worshipped by others.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Oh, wow, Okay, wait, wait, wait, Slow down for the
kids in the back.
Okay, so you're saying that,what is it Revelation?
Where is in Revelation whatchapter?
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Where he stands up and it's the I'm talking about 2
Thessalonians, where it sayslet no one deceive you in any
way that the day of the Lord hascome Right, for that day will
not come unless the rebellioncomes first and the man of
lawlessness is revealed, the sonof destruction, who opposes and
exalts himself against everyso-called God or object of
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worship, so that he takes hisseat in the temple of God,
proclaiming himself to be God.
So this is where he saysthere's going to be someone who
claims to be God and takes theirseat in the temple of God.
So what I think that means ishe actually rises up from within
the church as a false messiahwho's commanding to be
(22:19):
worshipped, because down inverse—this is 2 Thessalonians 2.
Down in verse 9, it says thecoming of the lawless one is by
the activity of Satan, with allpower and false signs and
wonders and with all wickeddeception.
Um, yeah, so he's—the coming ofthe lawless one.
(22:40):
That's the Greek word.
You know the parousia, right?
It's compared and contrastedwith the coming of Jesus, the
return of Jesus.
This is someone who—the comingof the lawless one is someone
who's really—he's saying hey,you need to worship me, I'm the
true Messiah.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
I am with you, okay, like I like where you're going.
Messiah, I am with you, okay,like I like where you're going.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
My only problem is when Paul writes this letter to
the Thessalonians, the temple isstill there, right, so the
temple the actual, but he's nolonger calling that when he when
he so I just shared, you know,four different places, three or
four different places in the NewTestament where he says temple
to refer to the people of God.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Sure, but in this particular letter he doesn't do
that, and I think that's wherehe's like.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Well, you could say the same about Ephesians and 1
Corinthians or 2 Corinthians,Right.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
But if like.
When he says we are the temple,why would he say he takes his
seat in the assembly, but hegoes with temple.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
He goes with temple in 2 Corinthians and Ephesians
as well.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
And so does Peter in 1 Peter.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Yeah, I just think that that would be a— when we're
talking about the man oflawlessness, the revealed, the
son of destruction, who posesand exalts himself in every
so-called god.
I mean he's referring back towhat Daniel 7?
When he stands up and that'skind of in the temple, and so
it's the same sort of idea of inthe temple, and so that's the
(24:11):
part where I'm like I strugglethere with him thinking that's
just the people of God.
I do think he was referencingthe people of God as the new
temple all the time to kind ofget them to see how valuable and
important they are for theirgathering and for their worship
and how they're gatheringtogether equated to experiencing
(24:32):
temple life, especially whenyou get to confess sin to God
and take communion every week orwhenever they gather.
But I think that's where Idisagree on on obviously Right.
So I like where you're, I likethe thought of that, but I have
a hard time seeing that fromsecond Thessalonians, as him not
actually referring to abuilding in that that time, as
(24:54):
opposed to referring to thepeople of God.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Yeah, hey, you've got the official position.
Okay, I'm just the nobody herewith the different opinion.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Well, I appreciate that.
Well, hey, listen, I'm going tobe listening more about this
Israel stuff because it doescome out politically of like
where do you stand and do youtake a Ted Cruz position, which
is I learned sometime in Sundayschool which no kid is learning
about Israel in Sunday school.
I'm just letting you know thatright now.
Maybe they had a way betterchildren's ministry where they
(25:27):
taught eschatology and youshould support Israel.
I don't know, Maybe they did,but that just seemed odd to me.
On his Tucker Carlson, Inoticed.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
There's some new churches being planted in Austin
right now who have on theirwebsite they're, you know, they
have here children's ministry,sunday service times our
position on Israel.
So I'm no joke, wow, all right,hey, and it's a big deal, it's
a really big deal.
And so to some churches,absolutely Well way to go.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Yeah and listen.
I love Israel, I'm for them.
I just don't know if I want togo theologically down the road
that a lot of them are going.
I'm all for Israel as far as anindependent, democratic, pretty
much same values that the UShas, but I don't know if I want
to go a theological position tolike.
Those who bless Israel will beblessed from that standpoint,
(26:18):
although the Bible does say that, so I understand how people can
get there, point, although, theBible does say that.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
So I understand how people can get there, yeah,
Understanding how people can getthere, yes.
So we've talked about this onebefore.
I want to bless Israel.
But Israel I believe the NewTestament is clear is the people
of God, the church that havebeen grafted in by faith in
Jesus.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
My only caveat to that is God still has a plan for
Israel, which I think involvesthe nation state which I think
one day will bring the Israel,which I think involves the
nation state which I think oneday will bring the temple, which
then one day the man of lawlesswill stand and try and make
everyone see that he is God, andthen we won't even be there
because we'll be raptured.
But that's just my view.
I guess we'll see.
Hey, thanks so much forwatching.
If you'd like to send in aquestion, you can text us at
(26:58):
737-231-0605.
We would love to hear from you,we love questions, and so we'll
see you next time and from ourhouse to yours have an awesome
week.
God bless you.
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