February 24, 2025 • 23 mins
Ever wondered how to ignite passion and energy in your sermons while fostering a truly supportive congregation? This episode promises to equip you with the essential tools for evangelism, as we introduce our new sermon series tailored to obliterate excuses for not sharing the gospel. Join us on a transformative journey of following Christ, where we emphasize the necessity of self-denial and a steadfast commitment to discipleship. By exploring what it means to be "fishers of men," we align with our mission to create genuine followers who work for the kingdom, not personal gain.
We also delve into the compelling power of personal testimonies. Through the stories of Zacchaeus and the woman with the issue of blood, we illustrate how Jesus's actions, both then and now, offer redemption and inspire others to seek Him. These narratives remind us that everyone, irrespective of their past, holds immense value in God's eyes. As we challenge you to reflect on using your God-given gifts, we underscore the importance of fully committing to faith and serving a greater purpose. Tune in as we wrap up with a blessing and share our excitement for future episodes, potentially featuring insights from a brother in India.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
you know what time it is.
It's time for another episodeof pastor to pastor.
I'm the host with the most.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Hey, it's uh, pastor jason doing the most.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Yeah, this is pastor jason.
Pastor, the pastor with me, theco-host with the most Seth.
Hold on.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
How you doing, sir.
I'm doing all right.
I need some coffee energy drink.
Two shots of a five-hour energy.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I need something.
We're going by Starbucks whenwe leave here we're going to do
the Cortana.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
For people that don't know we record on Sundays and
preaching.
Jason didn't preach today.
I don't know why he tiredPreaching but Jason didn't
preach today.
I don't know why he tired.
He didn't do nothing.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
But when you do preach man.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I mean, it really does take a lot out of you.
I'm giving you all I got,that's right, yeah.
Especially when they back youup, you preach even harder.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Yes, sir, hey, there's just something about
when they back you up that justmakes you go.
I mean they get fired up.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
You was preaching today and one of our elderly
women had made a statement.
Let me move on.
She said I ain't got nothingbut time Pastor.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
You go ahead, go ahead and preach it.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Take your time.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yeah, I love it, man.
I know I was thinking aboutthis pastor one time and he said
he was just an old country boy.
He says I was preaching, I wasgoing in, and he said this one
guy on the front row is likepray chat, pray chat.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
He's like, I'm giving you all.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I got man.
I love it, dude.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
There's some that I say take your time, and there's
other ones just watching thetime.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
All right, pastor, oh , come on, wrap it up Now.
Don't encourage him, let himfinish.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Yeah, that's right, I got lunch man.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah.
So, anyways, let's talk aboutit, man.
Let's talk about what you, whatyou, preached on this Sunday.
I think you guys started a new.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
We did a new series, we just came out of divided
loyalty, really likeaccountability series.
Get us where we are reallyfully committed to Christ and
what it looks like to be areally genuine Christian.
Yeah, and we're coming intoreally it's going to be a vision
series for where we feel likethe Lord's leading us to really
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focus all for the one, doingwhatever it takes to win the
loss.
I was reading, and there's astatistic, that out of all the
churches in America thatregistered their growth, 20% of
churches registered growth andout of that 20%, only 1% of
those recorded it being growthfrom salvations new believers.
So what we found out, pastorJay, is that we're doing nothing
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but just shifting believerseverywhere.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Moving fruit from one basket to another.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yep, and so we're kicking off a series of try to
equip and we're taking away theexcuse of I don't know how to
share the gospel, I don't knowhow to witness, I don't know.
It's my personality thatdoesn't let me do it, and yeah,
that's just an excuse, everyexcuse we can find Go ahead.
So scripture says even Jesus wastelling the disciples that now
that you know, you have noexcuse.
You've been taught, so youcan't have an excuse.
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And I told our church today I'mgetting rid of all your excuses
.
We're going to do evangelisticintensitives where they learn
how to share the gospel, how todo it in the workplace, that
kind of stuff.
So we're excited about that.
So we kicked off this series toreally catch the vision and get
the heart of the people to wantto share the gospel.
Man, win the lost souls.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Sounds like you guys are right in the middle of what
we're doing.
I mean, it was interesting, asI think most people tapped in do
the same.
It might be called somethingdifferent.
It might sound like somethingdifferent.
Different series title it mightsound like something different
different series title, butultimately, it's the same thing
we're focused on creatingdisciples.
Scripture didn't tell us to gosave people.
It said go create disciples.
And so, anyway, I'm on yourfloor here, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Well, for people that don't know that, listen to this
I'm Jason's ghost writer forhis sermon and AI writes your
sermons, don't it hey?
Speaker 1 (03:44):
never, never, never, Never, never, never.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
I do ask AI for some statistics and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
It has its place, but only in that place.
Only in that place, but anyway,man, let's jump into the sermon
.
What we preached today, andit's all for the one, but we
really focused on how to catchsome fish, Right?
You know?
In Matthew 4, Jesus goes and hefinds Simon, also known as
Peter, and his brother.
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Is it his brother?
I can't even remember.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah his brother, yeah his brother.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
And he calls him.
He says come and follow me,I'll make you fishers of men.
And then he goes and thefather's deputy, his two sons,
they leave him while they'rerepairing nets and stuff, and
they follow him as well.
And you know the most knownscripture of that passage of
that scripture is that I willteach you to become fishers of
men.
And that word become reallystuck out to me in my study.
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Because, you know, a lot oftimes we get Christianity and
get Christ in us.
We think that we're going tobecome popular and become rich
and become highly blessed andfavored and all these things.
But he says no, no, you'regoing to become someone who
works for the kingdom.
It's not about you.
The moment you follow Christ,you're no longer making your
life about you.
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And so we talked about likewhen you give your life to
Christ and you start followinghim, you know you pick up your
cross, you know you lay it aside, your your uh, your will, your
desires, and you follow them.
And you know they the Biblesays they dropped it immediately
.
They dropped their nets, theydropped their, and I love that
they didn't say just wait aminute, let me get my fishing
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rod and stuff, let me get allthis stuff packed up.
Let me get it organized.
Let me almost as if they, someof us like to make sure we have
a backup plan prepared, just incase following jesus doesn't
turn out to be like you want itto be right and you know,
because following jesus, pastorj, is not for people who have no
faith.
It's not for people who thinkthat they can live for christ
but still live for themselvesit's for the selfless people,
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not the selfish people it's.
It's for the people who aretruly surrendering to Christ,
not the people that want someJesus and some of their flesh.
You can't follow Jesus and say,I want you, but I still want to
have some hate in my heart andall this type of stuff.
So, just like those, ended upbeing disciples, what they did
is they surrendered it all.
They immediately droppedeverything and started following
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Christ.
No backup plan.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
There's a lot of people who know Jesus as Savior,
but they don't know him as Lord.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
And I think that's what we've created in this
culture of, and just in humanityin itself.
Like we love the idea of someonesaving us when we're in need,
but we don't love the idea oflordship and master over us,
telling us what to do, when todo it.
But when we take up salvation,when we take up being purchased
by Christ, paul says I'm a bondservant, meaning I am a slave to
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Christ.
We have to have that samementality, that, lord, I don't
know what I'm going to say whenI get there, but I'm going to go
because you sent me.
I don't pray out loud, I don'tknow what this is going to sound
like, but that's why Scripturesays don't worry about what
you're going to say.
You'll put it in your mouthwhen you get there.
Everything you need you'regoing to find in Christ if you
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obey.
And I'm convinced that we don'tsee the things that god
promised, that the power, thedunamis, power of the holy
spirit, because we become sofocused on doing what we want to
do with a little bit of god,instead of doing what god wants
us to do.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Right, but yeah yeah, for sure, man.
So we we started, uh, focusingon how to become fishers of men
how do?
we catch fish.
What does that look like?
And you really got tounderstand the difference
between an unbeliever and abeliever, that those require two
different tactics.
You know one is sheep, one isfish.
Those that are following christare in scripture labeled as
sheep sheep for the shepherd.
(07:36):
Uh, usually when you're talkingabout evangelism they're
labeled the unbelievers as fish.
You're trying to catch them.
You know you don't have toconvince sheep to come to church
, to pray, to read their Bible,to forgive, to apologize all the
list of things that a goodChristian should do.
So our tactic and our approachare completely different.
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Like you can't go to a sinnerand say what's the Lord been
speaking of you?
in the Bible you know it's goingto be foreign to them because
that's not their life, and so welook at that concept, knowing
that our tactics are differently.
Now, I know the people thatknow me.
I'm not much of an outdoorsman,okay.
There's not one piece ofCarhartt in my closet, okay, all
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right.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
If you've listened to this podcast any length of time
, you know Seth's not anoutdoorsman.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yeah, I like the fish .
Speaker 1 (08:24):
He likes the tent.
He's jacob.
Yeah, I want, I want to glam.
I don't want to camp.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
You know what I'm saying I don't want to go out
there in a tent actually give mean rv, okay, right some air
conditioning in a bathroom amenyeah so, but I do know two
things about fishing.
One you gotta have bait and youdon't clean them before you
catch them.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
And so we talked about the three different types
of bait that we use to win theloss, to share the gospel, to
catch them.
The first one is the good news.
The good news is our firstthing.
I don't know about you, butthere have been times where all
I needed was a word.
I didn't have the answers, Ididn't know which way to turn,
but God showed up with a word,word for me, word for my
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situation.
That same concept works for theunbeliever that needs an
encouragement and needs to knowwhat the word says.
Nothing will make more of animpact than somebody reading the
words of somebody about thelove that God has for them.
So knowing the word is reallythe basis of our bait, because
you don't want to get trying tocatch somebody with the gospel
but don't even know it Right.
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So being a reader of the word,knowing that having it in your
arsenal, will help you be ableto show up with someone who's
got a burden or a problem andactually having a word for them
that's from the Lord.
Not from just us, not from you,but from the Lord, directly out
of his word about his people andthose that he's longing for.
Then the second debate that wehad was a testimony.
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I got a little fired up today.
If I'm going to be honest, Gota little fired up my old school
Pentecostal self, I know.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
When you got here earlier, uh, I could tell your
voice was a little raspy.
Yeah, bro, I said you preachtoday, or what?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
yeah, I was, as they say, I shook the cord I put the
jelly in the donut.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
You know all that good stuff.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
and so we talked about the testimony, um, and you
know, throughout scripture, yousee where people, uh, god, they
encountered jesus christ and hehealed them.
And you'd hear, you see wherejesus said, said don't, don't go
tell nobody, right, cause he hewas not trying to rush his
process.
And, uh, the crowds werealready getting too big, the
crowds are doing these things,and um, so I started talking
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about how the, the testimony ofJesus and what he'd done, it
spread.
The crowds just kept gettingbigger and bigger and the
followers, the enticement, the,uh, curiosity began to grow
everywhere jesus went, becausepeople were sharing about what
they've heard or what they'veseen or what they've experienced
christ do.
And I compared that to our, ourtestimonies versus and the
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testimonies in scripture.
I mean, you think about the guywho was blind, and jesus spit
in the dirt and and put it on.
I don't know why he would dothat.
I would throw up, okay.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Just be, I would throw it.
Yeah, I don't do.
Well, man, listen.
Uh, here's the thing, though.
It's a matter of listening toGod and doing what God tells you
to do.
We were reading this scriptureSaturday, that where this
prophet stretched himself overthis child, like he laid on top
of this this child.
He was face to face, eye to eye, nose to nose, lip to lip, and
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and the guy stopped and was likenow, this is not.
This is not a blueprint forchildren's ministry.
But the little boy came thelittle boy came back to life,
you know with, through the workof the prophet Elisha.
So sometimes what God calls youto do may not look like what
you're used to.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah right.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
In fact, rarely does it look like what you're used to
.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yeah, that would be a—let me see him off.
So you know.
You imagine he was one of thepeople that Jesus said don't go
tell.
But he went and told.
Right, yeah, he went and toldLike man, this man, like I, was
blind.
He did something with the dirt,dirt and he put it on me.
And all of a sudden I'm here,jesus can do the same thing for
you.
And then you think about theadulterous woman, who, who can't
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go out with people anywherebecause not the adulterous woman
, but the um, um, the issue ofblood lady with the issue of
blood and she was consideredunclean.
You know, when women back inthe day, when they went through
a cycle, they were consideredunclean.
They couldn couldn't be around.
Well, it was 12 years.
She had to be isolated toherself, but she kept hearing,
as they'd walk by with thecrowds of Jesus, about this man
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and it inspired her.
The testimony is the words, asyou heard, that if I could just
touch the hem of his garment, Ishall be healed.
Something will change.
And then, just like theadulterous woman man, I love
that story because all thesepeople are throwing accusations
at her, ready to throw stones.
You know when you study thatwhen Jesus starts writing in the
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sand, it's said to be that eventhe people that had stones in
their hand took part in herservices.
She was a prostitute and hesaid he, without sin, cast the
first stone, which is atestimony that even when
everybody else is against you,as long as God is for you,
you're going to be all right.
So as you share thosetestimonies, those words, people
are enticed.
Okay, I got to hear about thisman named Jesus.
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He might be the person that Ineed in my life.
Testimonies are some of thegreatest baits that you can use
lures you could use to win theloss, telling a story of what
Jesus has done for you thatimpacted your life tremendously.
I love the story of Zacchaeusman.
You know he was, you know Ilike to change that tune.
It says Zacchaeus was a weelittle man.
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A wee little man was he.
I like to say Zacchaeus was aterrible little man, a terrible
little man, was he Like a littleleprechaun I?
mean he was like a mobster.
I mean mobster, I mean herobbed from the poor.
I mean he, he, he was, uh,overtaxing people, beating his
palm.
He was rich, loaded, he was.
Nobody liked him right.
I mean, if you know that story,it was like as if the roman
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empire came to you and said, hey, would you work, would you work
for me?
And now you start distortingyour, your neighbors, taking
their money, messing with theirwives and their kids, and all
kind of that was him.
Him, he was bad.
He was a wee little man, but hewas bad.
But you know, nobody, just likethe church people, they blocked
him from seeing Jesus.
That crowd represents the bodyof Christ.
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How we felt like he didn'tdeserve.
If anybody deserved Christ, itwasn't him.
If anybody deserved time withhim, it wasn't him.
But Jesus pushed through thecrowd and went straight to
Zacchaeus.
You know I use that as atestimony that even when nobody
thinks you're worthless, thatyou're worthy of his presence,
of his time.
Jesus says this to Zacchaeusnot only do I eat with you, but
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I came to seek and save the lost.
I came seeking after you wheneverybody's pushed you to the
side.
I'm seeking after you.
And so you never know thetestimony that it can do for
people and the impact it makesfor them that we are drawn to
Christ Because we know this,we've heard it all our life.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
If he did it for you he can do it for me and if he
did it for me, he can do it foryou.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Your testimony is one of the greatest opportunities
you can share the gospel and getsomebody hooked on Jesus, amen,
yeah, amen.
Hooked on Amen to God.
And then the third one wassigns and wonders.
Signs and wonders we see inActs, chapter 8, verses 4
through 12.
Saul has already he'spersecuted the church and now
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they've fled, they've scatteredeverywhere.
And the bad thing is, saulthought that he was hindering
the church, but he made thechurch blow up Because you know
the story, there was a racialdivide between the Jews and the
Samaritans, because theSamaritans were half-breeds, so
none of the disciples reallywanted to go to Judea, samaria
and all these places because ofthe racial divide.
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You think we have racial dividenow.
Jesus dealt with it many, many,many years ago and we're still
dealing with it.
And he says okay, well, I'mgoing to use an attack from the
enemy, I'm going to force you togo, so, which is what I love.
The Bible says that when Peterstarted preaching the Samaritans
, people of Samaria were eagerlyand earnestly listening to what
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he was going to say.
It's amazing how the peoplethat you think want nothing to
do with you God softens theirheart towards you so they can
get what God has put in you togive them.
And so Peter begins to preachand he shares the gospel.
The Bible says that people thatwere lame were healed, people
that were paralyzed were healed.
The Bible says that people thatwere carrying evil spirits were
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set free.
And as they were set free, theevil spirits ran off screaming
and the victims were restored.
The Bible says that there was asorcerer there who had been
doing magic and he had beendoing great things.
They were calling him the GreatOne, the power, power of God.
And the difference betweenPeter and this sorcerer was that
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the people had saw poweralready, but they didn't hear
the gospel With him.
It was just power, it wasnothing.
But Peter preached the gospeland then showed signs and
wonders that what he's preachingis true.
So when I call on God and I tellyou that God's a healer who
needs healing, watch it happen.
If God's going to set you freeand deliver you, who is bound by
evil spirits today, god's goingto set you free.
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I'm going to prove that what Ipreach is truth.
It's not make-believe, it's notmagic.
There is power with my wordsand what we carry.
And so, because Peter wassharing the gospel if he didn't
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have been able to truly competewith what they were already
experiencing from this sourcewhere this guy running magic,
the bible, says that so manypeople are saved that begin
getting baptized, and so we usethis to talk about signs and
wonders and the reality that wewe don't need gimmicks to get
people to church.
We don't need to pay people tobring people new giveaways and
big events and all this moneyyeah, all these things just to
get people.
What people need is Jesus.
Give them Jesus and let thepower and the Holy Spirit begin
to do the work.
It's not about entertainment,it's not about being trendy,
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it's not about being relevant.
It's about giving people Jesus.
Because we know this to be true.
If it takes money and giveawaysand free stuff and these big
events and lights and stage allthis stuff to get people at your
church, the moment you takethose things away, they leave.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yeah, it takes that same thing to keep them.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yep, you got to stay consistent in that thing, so why
not just keep it simple, likeJesus wants it to be, and give
people Jesus.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
But here's the thing Jesus is enough.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
He is.
This is what I told him, pastorJay.
I said if Jesus is not enoughfor you, nothing will ever be
enough for you.
Yeah, you, yeah nothing.
So why don't we just givepeople jesus?
Yeah that the.
You know we, god, gave us gifts, signs and wonders.
Right, god?
God has given us gifts not toprostitute for the world.
He gave us gifts to use to savethe world yeah and so you may be
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gifted and create and create,being a creator, and all these
things, the creatives, and allthese things.
What are you doing with thegifts that God has given you?
And that's what I love aboutJesus.
When he approached thesefishermen, he didn't try to take
a three to six week trainingprocess.
He said I'm going to take whatyou already are good at.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
You're good at fishing.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
I'm going to change your bait and I'm going to
change your target.
I'm going to take what I'vealready put in you.
That's good, but the problem isyou're using it for the wrong
thing, right?
And how many times we do that,bro?
All the time.
How many times we createplatforms for ourself because we
think they're our gifts, butthey're not?
that's right they're not ourgifts.
They belong to the father.
He's the one that gave it to us, and so he'll take what's
already inside of us, put abrand new purpose in it.
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That's new to us, but he hasalready written our.
He's the author and thefinisher of our faith.
He's written our story out.
He's ordered our steps.
He's taking what we alreadyhave and using it to expand the
gospel.
My question for many peoplemaybe listening today is what
has God put in you that you'rewasting?
Yeah, for yourself, for yourown will, for your own desire.
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So we talked about.
I use my son, levi, as anexample.
Levi was born premature, spent100 days in an NICU one pound
nine ounces, 12 inches long, andLevi was in an incubator.
He was just chilling.
You know what I'm saying.
He was cooking and there was aseason of that time where we
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couldn't.
We just had to stick our handin a hole and just touch.
I mean there's nothing we coulddo.
But there was also a time whereLevi began to grow and develop
and the incubator was no longerneeded because it was holding
him back from growing.
It needed him to fight for lifeand fight to grow and fight to
develop and put some effort.
My daddy would say, seth, areyou ever going to take
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initiative?
This is what it is.
Levi had to take his body totake initiative to do the things
that need to do to grow.
If levi would have been half inand half out of the incubator
would have never helped.
You know, you can't be half inand half.
You can't follow jesus, but notfollow.
You can't follow jesus say Iwant a little bit of my sin, I
want a little bit of hate, Iwant a little bit of this.
You got to be fully committedto that, and so what we did is
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we talked about incubator,people in an incubator season,
waiting on god to tell you whatto do when he's already told us
he's already told you, he'salready given you a whole a
whole book and, and on top ofthat, he's already giving you
the gifts.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
He's giving you things.
I'm trying to remember exactlywhat the guy said from the the
conference we went to yesterday,but he said if he put it in you
, that's probably what he wantsout of you.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Yeah Amen, that's good.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Got some good stuff out of that thing.
That's good.
I'm telling you, man, it wasamazing.
It was amazing.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
And really I talked about how, when we cast the nets
out, whatever we catch, it'snot our job to separate wheat
from tare.
It's not our job to pick andchoose who deserves the man
you're going to get in that net.
You're going to get blackpeople, white people, hispanics,
asians.
You're going to get theadulterer.
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You're going to get theaddicted.
You're going to get theignorant, the illiterate, the
educated.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Well, in the end, when they were fishing, they
said cast your net on the rightside.
They cast it out.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
So they caught 153 fish.
Yeah, I used that story.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
And it didn't break the net.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
I used that story 153 fish.
You know why they used thenumber there is because for
every fish they brought to shorethey had to pay for.
So they were known for pickingand choosing which fish were
worth paying for, which wasworth the effort.
No-transcript that with thisword I'm going to wrap this
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thing up.
Jesus says follow me and youwill be fishers of men.
If you say that you'refollowing Jesus but not fishing,
are you truly following him?
Speaker 1 (22:19):
That's a great question and that's the question
we leave with you listeners.
Yep, are you producing fruit?
Are you?
Do you have fish in your bucket?
And if your answer is no, thenwho are you following?
It's probably yourself, that'sright.
Or someone or something else.
It's not Jesus yourself, that'sright, or someone or something
else.
It's not Jesus.
Nope, let's bless you.
Hey, from the book of Numbers,it's called the priestly
blessing, amen.
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It says the Lord bless you.
The Lord keep you.
The Lord make his face shineupon you.
The Lord lift up hiscountenance upon you and give
you peace.
God bless you.
Thank you so much for listeningto Pastor, to pastor, we look
forward to releasing anotherwoman this week, hopefully with
our brother here from indiabrother pakash, we're going to
try to get him over here, try toget him on on air so we could
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talk about what india looks like.
Amen, but either way, we lookforward to seeing you next time.
Be on the lookout, make sureyou like, share, subscribe, do
all those different things sothat we can, uh, keep you up to
date on where we are, what we'redoing and what's being preached
Sounds good, see you next time.
God bless you.
you know what time it is.
It's time for another episodeof pastor to pastor.
I'm the host with the most.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Hey, it's uh, pastor jason doing the most.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Yeah, this is pastor jason.
Pastor, the pastor with me, theco-host with the most Seth.
Hold on.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
How you doing, sir.
I'm doing all right.
I need some coffee energy drink.
Two shots of a five-hour energy.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I need something.
We're going by Starbucks whenwe leave here we're going to do
the Cortana.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
For people that don't know we record on Sundays and
preaching.
Jason didn't preach today.
I don't know why he tiredPreaching but Jason didn't
preach today.
I don't know why he tired.
He didn't do nothing.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
But when you do preach man.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I mean, it really does take a lot out of you.
I'm giving you all I got,that's right, yeah.
Especially when they back youup, you preach even harder.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Yes, sir, hey, there's just something about
when they back you up that justmakes you go.
I mean they get fired up.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
You was preaching today and one of our elderly
women had made a statement.
Let me move on.
She said I ain't got nothingbut time Pastor.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
You go ahead, go ahead and preach it.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Take your time.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yeah, I love it, man.
I know I was thinking aboutthis pastor one time and he said
he was just an old country boy.
He says I was preaching, I wasgoing in, and he said this one
guy on the front row is likepray chat, pray chat.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
He's like, I'm giving you all.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I got man.
I love it, dude.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
There's some that I say take your time, and there's
other ones just watching thetime.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
All right, pastor, oh , come on, wrap it up Now.
Don't encourage him, let himfinish.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Yeah, that's right, I got lunch man.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah.
So, anyways, let's talk aboutit, man.
Let's talk about what you, whatyou, preached on this Sunday.
I think you guys started a new.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
We did a new series, we just came out of divided
loyalty, really likeaccountability series.
Get us where we are reallyfully committed to Christ and
what it looks like to be areally genuine Christian.
Yeah, and we're coming intoreally it's going to be a vision
series for where we feel likethe Lord's leading us to really
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focus all for the one, doingwhatever it takes to win the
loss.
I was reading, and there's astatistic, that out of all the
churches in America thatregistered their growth, 20% of
churches registered growth andout of that 20%, only 1% of
those recorded it being growthfrom salvations new believers.
So what we found out, pastorJay, is that we're doing nothing
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but just shifting believerseverywhere.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Moving fruit from one basket to another.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yep, and so we're kicking off a series of try to
equip and we're taking away theexcuse of I don't know how to
share the gospel, I don't knowhow to witness, I don't know.
It's my personality thatdoesn't let me do it, and yeah,
that's just an excuse, everyexcuse we can find Go ahead.
So scripture says even Jesus wastelling the disciples that now
that you know, you have noexcuse.
You've been taught, so youcan't have an excuse.
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And I told our church today I'mgetting rid of all your excuses
.
We're going to do evangelisticintensitives where they learn
how to share the gospel, how todo it in the workplace, that
kind of stuff.
So we're excited about that.
So we kicked off this series toreally catch the vision and get
the heart of the people to wantto share the gospel.
Man, win the lost souls.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Sounds like you guys are right in the middle of what
we're doing.
I mean, it was interesting, asI think most people tapped in do
the same.
It might be called somethingdifferent.
It might sound like somethingdifferent.
Different series title it mightsound like something different
different series title, butultimately, it's the same thing
we're focused on creatingdisciples.
Scripture didn't tell us to gosave people.
It said go create disciples.
And so, anyway, I'm on yourfloor here, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Well, for people that don't know that, listen to this
I'm Jason's ghost writer forhis sermon and AI writes your
sermons, don't it hey?
Speaker 1 (03:44):
never, never, never, Never, never, never.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
I do ask AI for some statistics and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
It has its place, but only in that place.
Only in that place, but anyway,man, let's jump into the sermon
.
What we preached today, andit's all for the one, but we
really focused on how to catchsome fish, Right?
You know?
In Matthew 4, Jesus goes and hefinds Simon, also known as
Peter, and his brother.
(04:10):
Is it his brother?
I can't even remember.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah his brother, yeah his brother.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
And he calls him.
He says come and follow me,I'll make you fishers of men.
And then he goes and thefather's deputy, his two sons,
they leave him while they'rerepairing nets and stuff, and
they follow him as well.
And you know the most knownscripture of that passage of
that scripture is that I willteach you to become fishers of
men.
And that word become reallystuck out to me in my study.
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Because, you know, a lot oftimes we get Christianity and
get Christ in us.
We think that we're going tobecome popular and become rich
and become highly blessed andfavored and all these things.
But he says no, no, you'regoing to become someone who
works for the kingdom.
It's not about you.
The moment you follow Christ,you're no longer making your
life about you.
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And so we talked about likewhen you give your life to
Christ and you start followinghim, you know you pick up your
cross, you know you lay it aside, your your uh, your will, your
desires, and you follow them.
And you know they the Biblesays they dropped it immediately
.
They dropped their nets, theydropped their, and I love that
they didn't say just wait aminute, let me get my fishing
(05:19):
rod and stuff, let me get allthis stuff packed up.
Let me get it organized.
Let me almost as if they, someof us like to make sure we have
a backup plan prepared, just incase following jesus doesn't
turn out to be like you want itto be right and you know,
because following jesus, pastorj, is not for people who have no
faith.
It's not for people who thinkthat they can live for christ
but still live for themselvesit's for the selfless people,
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not the selfish people it's.
It's for the people who aretruly surrendering to Christ,
not the people that want someJesus and some of their flesh.
You can't follow Jesus and say,I want you, but I still want to
have some hate in my heart andall this type of stuff.
So, just like those, ended upbeing disciples, what they did
is they surrendered it all.
They immediately droppedeverything and started following
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Christ.
No backup plan.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
There's a lot of people who know Jesus as Savior,
but they don't know him as Lord.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
And I think that's what we've created in this
culture of, and just in humanityin itself.
Like we love the idea of someonesaving us when we're in need,
but we don't love the idea oflordship and master over us,
telling us what to do, when todo it.
But when we take up salvation,when we take up being purchased
by Christ, paul says I'm a bondservant, meaning I am a slave to
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Christ.
We have to have that samementality, that, lord, I don't
know what I'm going to say whenI get there, but I'm going to go
because you sent me.
I don't pray out loud, I don'tknow what this is going to sound
like, but that's why Scripturesays don't worry about what
you're going to say.
You'll put it in your mouthwhen you get there.
Everything you need you'regoing to find in Christ if you
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obey.
And I'm convinced that we don'tsee the things that god
promised, that the power, thedunamis, power of the holy
spirit, because we become sofocused on doing what we want to
do with a little bit of god,instead of doing what god wants
us to do.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Right, but yeah yeah, for sure, man.
So we we started, uh, focusingon how to become fishers of men
how do?
we catch fish.
What does that look like?
And you really got tounderstand the difference
between an unbeliever and abeliever, that those require two
different tactics.
You know one is sheep, one isfish.
Those that are following christare in scripture labeled as
sheep sheep for the shepherd.
(07:36):
Uh, usually when you're talkingabout evangelism they're
labeled the unbelievers as fish.
You're trying to catch them.
You know you don't have toconvince sheep to come to church
, to pray, to read their Bible,to forgive, to apologize all the
list of things that a goodChristian should do.
So our tactic and our approachare completely different.
(07:56):
Like you can't go to a sinnerand say what's the Lord been
speaking of you?
in the Bible you know it's goingto be foreign to them because
that's not their life, and so welook at that concept, knowing
that our tactics are differently.
Now, I know the people thatknow me.
I'm not much of an outdoorsman,okay.
There's not one piece ofCarhartt in my closet, okay, all
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right.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
If you've listened to this podcast any length of time
, you know Seth's not anoutdoorsman.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yeah, I like the fish .
Speaker 1 (08:24):
He likes the tent.
He's jacob.
Yeah, I want, I want to glam.
I don't want to camp.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
You know what I'm saying I don't want to go out
there in a tent actually give mean rv, okay, right some air
conditioning in a bathroom amenyeah so, but I do know two
things about fishing.
One you gotta have bait and youdon't clean them before you
catch them.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
And so we talked about the three different types
of bait that we use to win theloss, to share the gospel, to
catch them.
The first one is the good news.
The good news is our firstthing.
I don't know about you, butthere have been times where all
I needed was a word.
I didn't have the answers, Ididn't know which way to turn,
but God showed up with a word,word for me, word for my
(09:07):
situation.
That same concept works for theunbeliever that needs an
encouragement and needs to knowwhat the word says.
Nothing will make more of animpact than somebody reading the
words of somebody about thelove that God has for them.
So knowing the word is reallythe basis of our bait, because
you don't want to get trying tocatch somebody with the gospel
but don't even know it Right.
(09:28):
So being a reader of the word,knowing that having it in your
arsenal, will help you be ableto show up with someone who's
got a burden or a problem andactually having a word for them
that's from the Lord.
Not from just us, not from you,but from the Lord, directly out
of his word about his people andthose that he's longing for.
Then the second debate that wehad was a testimony.
(09:48):
I got a little fired up today.
If I'm going to be honest, Gota little fired up my old school
Pentecostal self, I know.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
When you got here earlier, uh, I could tell your
voice was a little raspy.
Yeah, bro, I said you preachtoday, or what?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
yeah, I was, as they say, I shook the cord I put the
jelly in the donut.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
You know all that good stuff.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
and so we talked about the testimony, um, and you
know, throughout scripture, yousee where people, uh, god, they
encountered jesus christ and hehealed them.
And you'd hear, you see wherejesus said, said don't, don't go
tell nobody, right, cause he hewas not trying to rush his
process.
And, uh, the crowds werealready getting too big, the
crowds are doing these things,and um, so I started talking
(10:26):
about how the, the testimony ofJesus and what he'd done, it
spread.
The crowds just kept gettingbigger and bigger and the
followers, the enticement, the,uh, curiosity began to grow
everywhere jesus went, becausepeople were sharing about what
they've heard or what they'veseen or what they've experienced
christ do.
And I compared that to our, ourtestimonies versus and the
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testimonies in scripture.
I mean, you think about the guywho was blind, and jesus spit
in the dirt and and put it on.
I don't know why he would dothat.
I would throw up, okay.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Just be, I would throw it.
Yeah, I don't do.
Well, man, listen.
Uh, here's the thing, though.
It's a matter of listening toGod and doing what God tells you
to do.
We were reading this scriptureSaturday, that where this
prophet stretched himself overthis child, like he laid on top
of this this child.
He was face to face, eye to eye, nose to nose, lip to lip, and
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and the guy stopped and was likenow, this is not.
This is not a blueprint forchildren's ministry.
But the little boy came thelittle boy came back to life,
you know with, through the workof the prophet Elisha.
So sometimes what God calls youto do may not look like what
you're used to.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah right.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
In fact, rarely does it look like what you're used to
.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yeah, that would be a—let me see him off.
So you know.
You imagine he was one of thepeople that Jesus said don't go
tell.
But he went and told.
Right, yeah, he went and toldLike man, this man, like I, was
blind.
He did something with the dirt,dirt and he put it on me.
And all of a sudden I'm here,jesus can do the same thing for
you.
And then you think about theadulterous woman, who, who can't
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go out with people anywherebecause not the adulterous woman
, but the um, um, the issue ofblood lady with the issue of
blood and she was consideredunclean.
You know, when women back inthe day, when they went through
a cycle, they were consideredunclean.
They couldn couldn't be around.
Well, it was 12 years.
She had to be isolated toherself, but she kept hearing,
as they'd walk by with thecrowds of Jesus, about this man
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and it inspired her.
The testimony is the words, asyou heard, that if I could just
touch the hem of his garment, Ishall be healed.
Something will change.
And then, just like theadulterous woman man, I love
that story because all thesepeople are throwing accusations
at her, ready to throw stones.
You know when you study thatwhen Jesus starts writing in the
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sand, it's said to be that eventhe people that had stones in
their hand took part in herservices.
She was a prostitute and hesaid he, without sin, cast the
first stone, which is atestimony that even when
everybody else is against you,as long as God is for you,
you're going to be all right.
So as you share thosetestimonies, those words, people
are enticed.
Okay, I got to hear about thisman named Jesus.
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He might be the person that Ineed in my life.
Testimonies are some of thegreatest baits that you can use
lures you could use to win theloss, telling a story of what
Jesus has done for you thatimpacted your life tremendously.
I love the story of Zacchaeusman.
You know he was, you know Ilike to change that tune.
It says Zacchaeus was a weelittle man.
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A wee little man was he.
I like to say Zacchaeus was aterrible little man, a terrible
little man, was he Like a littleleprechaun I?
mean he was like a mobster.
I mean mobster, I mean herobbed from the poor.
I mean he, he, he was, uh,overtaxing people, beating his
palm.
He was rich, loaded, he was.
Nobody liked him right.
I mean, if you know that story,it was like as if the roman
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empire came to you and said, hey, would you work, would you work
for me?
And now you start distortingyour, your neighbors, taking
their money, messing with theirwives and their kids, and all
kind of that was him.
Him, he was bad.
He was a wee little man, but hewas bad.
But you know, nobody, just likethe church people, they blocked
him from seeing Jesus.
That crowd represents the bodyof Christ.
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How we felt like he didn'tdeserve.
If anybody deserved Christ, itwasn't him.
If anybody deserved time withhim, it wasn't him.
But Jesus pushed through thecrowd and went straight to
Zacchaeus.
You know I use that as atestimony that even when nobody
thinks you're worthless, thatyou're worthy of his presence,
of his time.
Jesus says this to Zacchaeusnot only do I eat with you, but
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I came to seek and save the lost.
I came seeking after you wheneverybody's pushed you to the
side.
I'm seeking after you.
And so you never know thetestimony that it can do for
people and the impact it makesfor them that we are drawn to
Christ Because we know this,we've heard it all our life.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
If he did it for you he can do it for me and if he
did it for me, he can do it foryou.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Your testimony is one of the greatest opportunities
you can share the gospel and getsomebody hooked on Jesus, amen,
yeah, amen.
Hooked on Amen to God.
And then the third one wassigns and wonders.
Signs and wonders we see inActs, chapter 8, verses 4
through 12.
Saul has already he'spersecuted the church and now
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they've fled, they've scatteredeverywhere.
And the bad thing is, saulthought that he was hindering
the church, but he made thechurch blow up Because you know
the story, there was a racialdivide between the Jews and the
Samaritans, because theSamaritans were half-breeds, so
none of the disciples reallywanted to go to Judea, samaria
and all these places because ofthe racial divide.
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You think we have racial dividenow.
Jesus dealt with it many, many,many years ago and we're still
dealing with it.
And he says okay, well, I'mgoing to use an attack from the
enemy, I'm going to force you togo, so, which is what I love.
The Bible says that when Peterstarted preaching the Samaritans
, people of Samaria were eagerlyand earnestly listening to what
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he was going to say.
It's amazing how the peoplethat you think want nothing to
do with you God softens theirheart towards you so they can
get what God has put in you togive them.
And so Peter begins to preachand he shares the gospel.
The Bible says that people thatwere lame were healed, people
that were paralyzed were healed.
The Bible says that people thatwere carrying evil spirits were
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set free.
And as they were set free, theevil spirits ran off screaming
and the victims were restored.
The Bible says that there was asorcerer there who had been
doing magic and he had beendoing great things.
They were calling him the GreatOne, the power, power of God.
And the difference betweenPeter and this sorcerer was that
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the people had saw poweralready, but they didn't hear
the gospel With him.
It was just power, it wasnothing.
But Peter preached the gospeland then showed signs and
wonders that what he's preachingis true.
So when I call on God and I tellyou that God's a healer who
needs healing, watch it happen.
If God's going to set you freeand deliver you, who is bound by
evil spirits today, god's goingto set you free.
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I'm going to prove that what Ipreach is truth.
It's not make-believe, it's notmagic.
There is power with my wordsand what we carry.
And so, because Peter wassharing the gospel if he didn't
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have been able to truly competewith what they were already
experiencing from this sourcewhere this guy running magic,
the bible, says that so manypeople are saved that begin
getting baptized, and so we usethis to talk about signs and
wonders and the reality that wewe don't need gimmicks to get
people to church.
We don't need to pay people tobring people new giveaways and
big events and all this moneyyeah, all these things just to
get people.
What people need is Jesus.
Give them Jesus and let thepower and the Holy Spirit begin
to do the work.
It's not about entertainment,it's not about being trendy,
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it's not about being relevant.
It's about giving people Jesus.
Because we know this to be true.
If it takes money and giveawaysand free stuff and these big
events and lights and stage allthis stuff to get people at your
church, the moment you takethose things away, they leave.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yeah, it takes that same thing to keep them.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yep, you got to stay consistent in that thing, so why
not just keep it simple, likeJesus wants it to be, and give
people Jesus.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
But here's the thing Jesus is enough.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
He is.
This is what I told him, pastorJay.
I said if Jesus is not enoughfor you, nothing will ever be
enough for you.
Yeah, you, yeah nothing.
So why don't we just givepeople jesus?
Yeah that the.
You know we, god, gave us gifts, signs and wonders.
Right, god?
God has given us gifts not toprostitute for the world.
He gave us gifts to use to savethe world yeah and so you may be
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gifted and create and create,being a creator, and all these
things, the creatives, and allthese things.
What are you doing with thegifts that God has given you?
And that's what I love aboutJesus.
When he approached thesefishermen, he didn't try to take
a three to six week trainingprocess.
He said I'm going to take whatyou already are good at.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
You're good at fishing.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
I'm going to change your bait and I'm going to
change your target.
I'm going to take what I'vealready put in you.
That's good, but the problem isyou're using it for the wrong
thing, right?
And how many times we do that,bro?
All the time.
How many times we createplatforms for ourself because we
think they're our gifts, butthey're not?
that's right they're not ourgifts.
They belong to the father.
He's the one that gave it to us, and so he'll take what's
already inside of us, put abrand new purpose in it.
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That's new to us, but he hasalready written our.
He's the author and thefinisher of our faith.
He's written our story out.
He's ordered our steps.
He's taking what we alreadyhave and using it to expand the
gospel.
My question for many peoplemaybe listening today is what
has God put in you that you'rewasting?
Yeah, for yourself, for yourown will, for your own desire.
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So we talked about.
I use my son, levi, as anexample.
Levi was born premature, spent100 days in an NICU one pound
nine ounces, 12 inches long, andLevi was in an incubator.
He was just chilling.
You know what I'm saying.
He was cooking and there was aseason of that time where we
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couldn't.
We just had to stick our handin a hole and just touch.
I mean there's nothing we coulddo.
But there was also a time whereLevi began to grow and develop
and the incubator was no longerneeded because it was holding
him back from growing.
It needed him to fight for lifeand fight to grow and fight to
develop and put some effort.
My daddy would say, seth, areyou ever going to take
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initiative?
This is what it is.
Levi had to take his body totake initiative to do the things
that need to do to grow.
If levi would have been half inand half out of the incubator
would have never helped.
You know, you can't be half inand half.
You can't follow jesus, but notfollow.
You can't follow jesus say Iwant a little bit of my sin, I
want a little bit of hate, Iwant a little bit of this.
You got to be fully committedto that, and so what we did is
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we talked about incubator,people in an incubator season,
waiting on god to tell you whatto do when he's already told us
he's already told you, he'salready given you a whole a
whole book and, and on top ofthat, he's already giving you
the gifts.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
He's giving you things.
I'm trying to remember exactlywhat the guy said from the the
conference we went to yesterday,but he said if he put it in you
, that's probably what he wantsout of you.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Yeah Amen, that's good.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Got some good stuff out of that thing.
That's good.
I'm telling you, man, it wasamazing.
It was amazing.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
And really I talked about how, when we cast the nets
out, whatever we catch, it'snot our job to separate wheat
from tare.
It's not our job to pick andchoose who deserves the man
you're going to get in that net.
You're going to get blackpeople, white people, hispanics,
asians.
You're going to get theadulterer.
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You're going to get theaddicted.
You're going to get theignorant, the illiterate, the
educated.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Well, in the end, when they were fishing, they
said cast your net on the rightside.
They cast it out.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
So they caught 153 fish.
Yeah, I used that story.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
And it didn't break the net.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
I used that story 153 fish.
You know why they used thenumber there is because for
every fish they brought to shorethey had to pay for.
So they were known for pickingand choosing which fish were
worth paying for, which wasworth the effort.
No-transcript that with thisword I'm going to wrap this
(22:07):
thing up.
Jesus says follow me and youwill be fishers of men.
If you say that you'refollowing Jesus but not fishing,
are you truly following him?
Speaker 1 (22:19):
That's a great question and that's the question
we leave with you listeners.
Yep, are you producing fruit?
Are you?
Do you have fish in your bucket?
And if your answer is no, thenwho are you following?
It's probably yourself, that'sright.
Or someone or something else.
It's not Jesus yourself, that'sright, or someone or something
else.
It's not Jesus.
Nope, let's bless you.
Hey, from the book of Numbers,it's called the priestly
blessing, amen.
(22:39):
It says the Lord bless you.
The Lord keep you.
The Lord make his face shineupon you.
The Lord lift up hiscountenance upon you and give
you peace.
God bless you.
Thank you so much for listeningto Pastor, to pastor, we look
forward to releasing anotherwoman this week, hopefully with
our brother here from indiabrother pakash, we're going to
try to get him over here, try toget him on on air so we could
(23:03):
talk about what india looks like.
Amen, but either way, we lookforward to seeing you next time.
Be on the lookout, make sureyou like, share, subscribe, do
all those different things sothat we can, uh, keep you up to
date on where we are, what we'redoing and what's being preached
Sounds good, see you next time.
God bless you.
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