October 28, 2024 • 26 mins
Unlock the mysteries of end-time prophecy and the tribulations that lie ahead as we engage in a compelling dialogue with Pastors Seth Odom and Michael Edds. Ever wondered about the role of COVID-19 and societal shifts in the prophesied "great falling away"? You're about to discover a fresh perspective on the seven-year tribulation timeline, from the Antichrist's rise to power to the deceptive peace that masks a chilling demand for global worship. Explore the implications of constructing a unified religious site and the celestial signs in Revelation that hint at these unfolding events. This episode promises to illuminate the hidden connections between current events and ancient prophecies.
Moving deeper into the prophetic narrative, we unravel the biblical roles of Judas, Jesus, and the two prophets standing against the Antichrist. Is each individual truly part of a divine blueprint? Scriptures like Psalms 139 might just have the answer. We'll also guide you through the apocalyptic visions of the Book of Revelation, examining the infamous four horsemen and the persecution believers might face. The discussion sheds light on the spiritual fortitude needed for the ultimate return of Christ, and previews the harrowing judgments to come. Prepare to reflect on the significance of these prophetic events and the spiritual readiness they demand.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Hey, it is another episode of Pastor to Pastor.
Yeah, I've got myself andfinally coming back with us this
Wednesday.
This recording this episode isPastor Seth Odom.
Good to see you, Pastor.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Hey, you know I'm so busy man.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
He's a busy, busy man .
I'm not as big of a deal as youare.
Oh, here we go, but you knowsometimes my schedule gets kind
of whack gets.
It gets a little out of line butit's good to have you back and,
of course, this time we've gotpastor michael eds again with us
.
Come on, pastor.
We had an amazing conversationlast time.
We've gotten a lot ofcompliments, a lot of comments,
a lot of review, um on thatparticular topic, on the topic
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of end time prophecy andtribulation, and last week we
got right there into it where wewere talking about the son of
perdition being revealed, thegreat fallen away, and then the
son of perdition being revealed.
What's interesting is most ofthe comments well, not most, but
a few of the comments I shouldsay were actually you can't call
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the great fallen away COVID, orCOVID is not the great fallen
away.
But listen, I always want toput it out there.
Everyone has their own opinionand I will say this no one truly
, fully, 100%, knows exactlywhat this looks like.
We are taking what Scripturegives us and we are making great
educated guesses, I would saycalculations, in what's supposed
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to happen.
So people have difference inopinions.
Listen, if that's you, youdon't feel it's right, hey, post
it in the comments.
Tell us why you don't feel thatway.
It's okay to be wrong.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Yeah, you can be wrong, it's all right, the great
falling away part of it couldhave been the COVID.
They didn't come back.
But let me tell you about thegreat falling away when churches
in America say homosexuality isokay, murdering babies is okay.
All of this evil.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
You are falling away from the Word of God.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
They are falling away , and when churches sit in the
four walls of their church whiletheir community goes to hell
and they're not spreading thegospel right that is the great
falling away that's right.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
I feel like we need to pass around an offering plate
go ahead, start off strong.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
That's what I'm talking about yeah, yeah if.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
If the church was doing her job, america wouldn't
be in the shape she's in.
Right about that, right aboutthat talking right, bishop?
Speaker 1 (02:19):
yeah but look, let's go ahead and dive into it.
I don't know If you want, we'llsit back and amen you.
Let you go ahead and preachthis thing.
Go get me shot, get him firedup.
No, so listen.
Yeah, we talked about that.
We talked about the great fallaway.
We talked about the son ofperdition being revealed.
So what is next in that?
We're talking about theseven-year tribulation.
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We talked about I won't saypre-tribulation, but what we
talked about before the judgmentstarted getting pulled out.
So where are we now, withinthis timeline?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
The tribulation period is a seven-year period.
First three and a half years,antichrist is going to fool the
world with peace and prosperity,he said.
He will destroy many in theirprosperity.
He's going to put money intheir pocket.
There's going to be peaceeverywhere.
Destroy many in theirprosperity.
You're going to put money intheir pocket.
There's going to be peaceeverywhere.
And it said, when they saypeace and safety, sudden
destruction comes.
After three and a half years,he's going to suddenly go into
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Jerusalem.
They will have rebuilt theirtemple and set up an image in
the temple and his throne andthis image will have the ability
to speak and it'll be an imagerepresenting him and he'll
command the world.
This is the new world religion.
You're going to bow down to mystatue.
I am God and I am king.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Which is quite interesting because I know that
even I think the pope and thegreatest imam, the head of the
Muslim community and another bigreligion in the world got
together and we're talking aboutbuilding one temple somewhere
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whether it's in Dubai orsomewhere They've already built
it, yeah where everybody cancome together and worship.
And it's just interesting thatthis whole one world religion
thing, it just seems like it'scoming closer and closer what
people don't realize.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
This antichrist is actually satan incarnate in
human flesh, just like jesus wasgod incarnate in human flesh.
Satan has always wanted god'splace right.
Jesus is supposed to come back.
As the Messiah set up hiskingdom, rule out of Jerusalem.
His throne will be there.
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Satan's trying to do it too.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
A little con artist.
Eh, he's a con artist.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
You're absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Right.
So where are we now in thetimeline in terms of all of this
?
After the fallen away, the sonof perdition be revealed.
Where are we at now in thattimeline?
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Okay, all of this after the fallen away, the son
of perdition, be revealed.
Where are we at now in thattimeline?
Okay, when he sets himself up,he's going to command the world
to bow down to him.
And I want to just stop for asecond.
I believe it's in Revelation 12, somewhere through there it
said as a forewarning that thistime is coming.
There will be a starconfiguration in the heavens.
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Remember the word says god hasgiven us the sun, the moon,
stars as signs and seasons.
Right before jesus was born,what appeared?
A star.
When he comes back, star.
And so there will be aconfiguration in the heavens of
planets or stars.
And it has the appearance of awoman that's pregnant.
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She has a crown with 12 starsover her head, which is symbolic
of the 12 tribes of Israel.
She is Israel, she's ready togive birth and at her feet is a
dragon ready to devour the child.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Is that the Draco configuration, or or is that
another?
I'm not sure about that.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Yeah but, um, anyway, I said, when this uh baby is
born, the baby's caught up to bein heaven, to be with god, and
then the woman is given thewings of a great eagle and she's
taken into the wildernessbecause the dragon's out to kill
her.
Yeah, they said before whatwe're about to talk about
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happens.
This star configuration wouldappear in the heavens.
It just happened.
Wow, that's how close we are.
But what's going to happen?
When he commands them to bowdown to him?
He is God.
Take the mark and a right handor forehead.
It's a credit card, it's yourcitizenship, it's your loyalty,
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and the stupid people of theworld will take it.
They'll be deceived, they'llthink he is God, except the Jews
.
They will revolt, say no, youare not Jehovah, and they will
revolt.
There will be people in theworld that won't take the mark
either.
This image will be given to youto kill people, the people that
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don't take it.
Many of them will be beheadedduring this time.
But when Israel revolts, thescripture we talked about was
that he would destroy two-thirdsof the Jewish nation and a
third of them would be takeninto protective exile.
So she'll be given the wings ofa great eagle.
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The word says if you're on therooftop you better not come down
.
Run to the mountains because hewill slaughter them.
That's two million or seven?
Wait a minute.
Six million Jews will be wipedout and three million will be
taken into protective exile.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
But I think it's easy to see, though, if you look at
the world and how it's going,and if there were some wild,
crazy cataclysmic event wheresome United Nations or some
government was established toregain order and control and say
, hey, here's peace, let's dothis, you could see where, I
think, the closer we get to it,you can kind of see how much
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more sense that makes thatpeople would go along with it
and would follow along with it.
If someone stands up and says,hey, all these people are
fighting and wars and things aregoing on, it's easy to see, I I
think, how somebody rising tobring solution would say peace
and prosperity and then, andthen after they've, do you think
that the the antichrist notewill know that they're the
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antichrist or do you thinkthat's something?
Speaker 3 (08:15):
they come to the revelation of or they're
possessed of it may not know atfirst yeah but I think it will
finally.
He'll finally reveal satan inhim.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Yeah, well, that's funny.
You talk about that, we talkabout imitations, but I think of
Judas, right?
It says, when he dipped, thespirit entered him, like the
devil entered him, and then hewent and betrayed Jesus.
So that's quite interesting.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
I believe Jesus.
I think when the revelationcame to him he was son of God.
I'm sure, as a little childmaybe he knew, maybe he didn't
know, but I believe when heturned 12 years old and he went
into the temple and he waspreaching to the scribes and the
Pharisees and the Jewishleaders, he knew who he was.
I believe the two prophets ofGod that will oppose the
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Antichrist during thisseven-year period are in the
world too.
They may not be aware who theyare right now, but I believe
it'll be revealed to them.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Yeah, I don't know.
That's an interesting thoughtto kind of bring to flesh, if
you will, because I think,though— John the Baptist knew
who he was when he was in thewomb.
Yeah, so I don't know, butthat's an interesting
conversation.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
A good idea on that.
We are all born with a purpose.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
So I knew you before you were born and when you were
being formed in your mother'swomb.
Psalms 139 says you'refearfully and wonderfully made.
All the days of your life werewritten in a book before it came
to be A life plan.
Written in a book before itcame to be a life plan.
And I believe we're all gettingto the stage in our lives that
our final destinies are about tobe revealed to us while we're
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here.
So I believe all of us are infor a revelation.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Okay, so he'll be set up.
He will establish himself, andif you don't follow him and take
his mark, you'll be murdered.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Right, and this is what begins what is called the
time of Jacob's trouble or thegreat tribulation.
Jacob's trouble is when Israelis almost wiped out and the
great tribulation 21 calamitiesare going to hit this earth.
And the Word says if those daysaren't shortened, that's only
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three and a half years, no onewould survive.
Two-thirds of the world'spopulation will be wiped out.
What is it?
Eight billion now?
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Yeah, it's like eight billion.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
And that's six billion people.
I guess that's a lot of deadbodies, but the first set of
judgments that will occur theAntichrist is intermingled in
that the the last 14.
It's God directly.
God's given permission inRevelation, chapter 6 it's a
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chapter 5 and chapter 6, orchapters 5 and 6, it talks about
a scroll and people before thethrone of God said who's worthy
to take this scroll and open it?
We need to know what's insideof it.
It's prophetic.
Couldn't find anybody worthyexcept one.
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It was a lamb that looked likehe had been slain.
Who's that Jesus had been slain, right?
Who's that?
Jesus?
Jesus?
Speaker 1 (11:29):
And you know his name .
Speaker 3 (11:31):
I'm surprised he was found worthy and the thing that
thrills me about it, thatexcited me.
I believe it's in Revelation 6,5 or 6.
It said there's a great throngbefore the throne of God and
they're singing, and it's you'reworthy, right to open this
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scroll and listen to what theysaid and saying, for you have
saved us from out of every tribeand nation, and you have been
made.
We have been made to be kingsand priests and and we shall
rule on the earth.
Who is that?
The?
Speaker 1 (12:10):
church.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
We are there at the beginning of the most horrible
time in human history.
We've been taken out.
People say, oh, we're going togo through the Great Tribulation
.
Well, how did we get there?
And then those seven scrolls,or seals of that scroll, are
opened.
The first one's opened andyou've heard of the four
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horsemen of the apocalypse.
There's a white horse, a redhorse, a black horse and a white
horse.
The first one's white.
He comes out and he's a kingwith a crown, a white horse, a
weapon in his hand, and he goesout to make war, the Antichrist.
Any nation or people that won'tsubmit to him.
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He's going to wipe them out.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
And he'll wipe out 2 billion people and they can't
stop him.
He'll go out and this war willlead to famine.
That's the black horse.
Go out, and this war will leadto famine.
That's the black horse.
Look at this calamity and thishurricane that settled over
Asheville.
Asheville, they had no food,they had no infrastructure.
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It's going to happen.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
It'll be like that.
He's not saying Asheville isthe— no, no, no, it'll be like
that.
Right, it'll be like that, yeah, except it'll be far worse yeah
.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
This war will be so bad, the infrastructure will be
wiped out.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
So the first horse is going to bring death and
destruction.
The black horse, the famine, isgoing to bring death and
destruction.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
And then the first one is white, the second one is
red.
That's war.
That's war, worldwide war,where he is wiping them out.
The third one is the blackhorse, which is famine, and
people will die either from thewar or from the famine.
The pale horse is death, and soall of this is going to be
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combined together and he's goingto slaughter 2 billion people
through this.
But then it brings up the fifthseal, which is interesting.
But then it brings up the fifthseal, which is interesting.
There will be people that willnot submit to his one world
religion, one world rule.
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The fifth seal, it says therewill be a great slaughter of
believers.
There are going to be peoplethat turn to God during that
time.
A lot of church folks are goingto miss the rapture.
Jason, he's coming for a churchwithout spot or wrinkle and
there are church folks shackingup together Smoking pot Drinking
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.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Doing this, doing that, not being holy as he is
holy, Not being holy.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Going along with all of this sin.
They're going gonna be leftbehind.
They're gonna be the.
There's 10 virgins.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Five were taken in, five were left be knocking on
the door let us in, let us inright, don't know you, five
foolish, five wise.
And so when?
Speaker 3 (14:59):
they turn to him.
During that time, theantichrist slaughters them.
And so that is the.
What is it?
The fifth seal and then thesixth seal is open.
There's going to be a worldwideearthquake.
Mountains will collapse,islands will sink beneath the
sea.
It'll be so massive that thegreat cities of the earth will
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collapse.
It's never been an earthquakelike that in human history, it
said.
The sky will be rolled up likea scroll, the moon will be
turned to like blood and starswill fall from the heaven, it
said.
The great people, the kings,the rulers of the earth, even
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the poor folk, will hidethemselves in the caves of the
earth and say hide us from theface of him who sits on the
throne, for it's the time of hiswrath.
And then that issues in the last14 judgments, when God raises
his fist of judgment, the worldhas never seen that it is so bad
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that they said.
The word says, if those daysweren't shortened, no one would
survive.
For the elect's sake, he wasshortening it.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Yeah, what's interesting when you talk about
hide us from his face for thewrath side of it?
It's interesting because I wasjust preaching this past Sunday
on the face of God and himshowing Moses his goodness.
And then further on inScripture, New Testament, it
talks about he showed us hisgoodness that we may repent and
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we may draw closer to him.
And so now that we're past allof this, I just thought about it
, because he talks about notonly when he shows his goodness.
He says but I will visitiniquity.
Like I will not, by any means,I will not pardon the guilty,
Like sin will be accounted for.
And so now he's went fromshowing his face in goodness to
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now people wanting to hide fromhis face and his wrath.
Are you saying he's two-faced?
I believe it that god is gonna,it's good in his mercy and
grace and that he's gonna pourout his wrath.
I see what you did there.
What?
Speaker 3 (17:19):
we're seeing is the full face of God the full face.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
There you go, that's right.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
The full face of God.
God is merciful.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
He's been merciful for 6,000 years.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Yes, yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
The thing that's interesting to me is God has
been showing his love and mercy2,000 years the church age it's
been the mercy and salvation,and grace of God and people have
mistaken his grace for himbeing permissive.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
That it's okay for me to do this.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
God hasn't done anything to me yet right well,
they're badly fooled, right.
Uh, just like you were a policeofficer one time, you helped
people, you were merciful topeople, but when they broke the
law and you had to enforce thelaw, you cuffed him and took him
to jail yeah, which makes sense, and then they would be upset
with me for holding themaccountable, just like, in the
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end, time says they'll shaketheir fist at god, um, when he
starts, instead of repenting.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Yeah, they'll.
They'll be mad at god yeah, andand they'll.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
They'll cut every the last 14 judgments.
You would think they wouldrepent, wouldn't you?
You would think they shaketheir fists and curse him wow
that's how wicked the world'sgoing to be at that time.
I want to tell you, when thechurch is gone, it's going to be
hell on earth.
Satan will be cast down out ofthe heavens with his fallen
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angels and said he will go aboutthe earth and he's full of
anger because he knows his daysare short.
You think it's bad now?
Wait till then.
That's wild.
It'll be hell on earth.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
So we did six seals already.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Yeah, and then the seventh seal is interesting.
You've watched horror moviesand they'll get real quiet for
something.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
No, I'm too safe.
I don't watch no horror movies.
I'm too safe for that.
When I was a kid, before I gotsaved- my brother would take me
to these.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
We had these theaters , you know we'd go in, oh now
it's your brother's fault.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Yeah, I blame him, that's right, my big brother he
forced me to go.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
And they had this vampire movie.
I don't like vampire movies.
I was scared senseless.
But right before he began to dosomething, he got quiet.
So when the seventh seal isopen, 30 minutes of dead silence
After all of these kind ofeclipsic things silence.
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And then you look up and out ofthe throne room of God comes
seven angels with trumpets andthey're about to sound the
trumpet.
This is when God lays it on theearth and we can talk about
that.
Next week it's going to hitthis earth.
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It won't be Satan doing it.
It won't be the Antichristdoing it.
God says it's the time of thewrath of God.
He's going to pour it out.
Let me tell you about the wrathof God.
Once his wrath is started, itdoesn't stop until it's finished
.
What do?
Speaker 2 (20:31):
you think?
Pastor Seth, I got a question.
It may be a dumb question, butI'm going to ask it anyway.
Pastor Ed, you have a lot morewisdom than I do on this.
Okay, I appreciate yourconfidence.
So, when it comes to the markof the beast right at the end of
christ is do you think thatthere is a moment that it could
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be reversed?
Is there a time in that someonecan change their mind in that
moment, or is it done is done?
Speaker 3 (21:02):
once they take that, they have taken the mark of
satan.
Okay, they cannot undo it.
They have damned their souls tohell.
There's no repentance yeah youknow, there's like the only no
one's sin that's unforgivable isblasphemy against the holy
spirit.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Right well, this, I guess, is a form of blasphemy
against the holy spirit yeahwhen this, I guess, is a form of
blasphemy against the holyspirit yeah when they take that
seal, they're believing that heis god well, what's interesting
is isn't right now therestraining power of the holy
spirit holding the enemy back,yeah, evil back.
But it says at some pointdoesn't.
And I'm trying to, I'm tryingto remember it, it's been a
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while since I said this, but itisn't.
Isn't there some point?
Speaker 3 (21:38):
when he's removed, says he that a while since I
studied this.
But isn't there some point?
When he's removed, it says hewho restrains is taken out of
the earth.
He will no longer berestraining.
The church will be gone.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Right.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
He's in the church.
We are the body of Christ.
He's in us as Christ, in you,the hope of glory.
When we're taken out and hewithdraws, he won't withdraw his
influence but his restrainingpower, because he will be
talking to people during thetribulation to get saved.
But his restraining power willbe gone and Satan will be cast
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out of the heavenlies.
You know, satan's been up thereall this time trash-talking
about us to God.
He's going to kick him out andwhen he does, he's going to be
cast to the earth.
He's going to be full of furyand anger because he knows his
days are short.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yeah, I'm going to tell you, this episode makes me
want to repent.
Make sure I'm living right,that's right.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Every night I go to bed, I pray one prayer.
I say God, if there's anythingin me that's not of you, take it
out.
Right, and you know I waswatching this war in the Middle
East talking about the fierydarts of the devil.
The devil will shoot.
Just like those Hamas andHezbollah, they shoot those
fiery missiles at Israel.
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Well, he shoots missiles at usand their thoughts to hit us, to
get us to buy into his lies andto do wrong.
Israel has an iron dome.
We have a shield of faith.
It's like an iron dome.
We can shoot the word of God upand knock those things down
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that come against us to get usto get messed up, and that did
me some good.
He's us to get messed up.
yeah, and I did me some goodhe's ready to take his head and
set off and run one interestingthing during this time, that's
three and a half years years youknow all these things that are
taking place.
Israel is protected, but duringthis time she will be wondering
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, dear God, what's happened?
What's happened?
She will begin to search thescriptures and the Spirit of God
will come down upon her.
Many of the people that havegotten saved, that are Gentiles,
since all of Jacob, will fleeto this protected place called
Basra.
And I thought, well, where arethey going to get scriptures?
A place called Basra?
And I thought, well, where arethey going to get scriptures?
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One interesting thing anevangelist in the caves of Petra
, which is in the Basra area,put the Old Testament and New
Testament there in protectivecovers and he underlined in all
the Old Testament prophecies,the prophecies about the Messiah
and in the New Testament, wherethey were fulfilled.
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So they began to search andrevival breaks out.
She is saved in one day.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
And said she will weep as though she's weeping for
her only child.
My God, we killed our Messiah,and when she is saved, that's
going to trigger something inheaven.
The doors of heaven begin toopen, and we'll talk about that
later.
Jesus will start coming back.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Amen.
We talked about the seven sealstoday.
I think next week we'll talkabout the seven trumpets and the
seven bowls.
It's about to get worse thanwhat we've already heard.
That's pretty wild.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
And after those last 14 judgments, then the return of
Christ comes back.
And there's one interestingthing and you may get some
feedback on that there are threeparts to the return of Jesus
which we'll bring out, and it'sall Scripture.
Everything I share with you iswhat is in the Word.
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That's right.
And it's exciting yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Hey, thank you guys so much for tuning in.
Pastor Seth, you good, I'm good, brother, all right.
Hey, thank you guys so much fortuning in.
Make sure you like, share,subscribe, save all those good
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This stuff's important knowingthese things, knowing what's to
come.
That's why it's been written,that's why it's in the book of
Revelation, it's in Daniel, it'sin these different prophecies
that God has given us to knowwhat's ahead, to be prepared.
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But anyway, hey, we absolutelylove to bless people and we want
to bless you with the priestlyblessing from Numbers 6, 24
through 26.
It says the Lord bless you andkeep you.
The Lord make his face shineupon you and be gracious to you.
The Lord lift up hiscountenance upon you and give
you peace.
Hey, this is Pastor Jason, withPastor to Pastor.
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We look forward to seeing younext week.
Bless you, adios.
Hey, it is another episode of Pastor to Pastor.
Yeah, I've got myself andfinally coming back with us this
Wednesday.
This recording this episode isPastor Seth Odom.
Good to see you, Pastor.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Hey, you know I'm so busy man.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
He's a busy, busy man .
I'm not as big of a deal as youare.
Oh, here we go, but you knowsometimes my schedule gets kind
of whack gets.
It gets a little out of line butit's good to have you back and,
of course, this time we've gotpastor michael eds again with us
.
Come on, pastor.
We had an amazing conversationlast time.
We've gotten a lot ofcompliments, a lot of comments,
a lot of review, um on thatparticular topic, on the topic
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of end time prophecy andtribulation, and last week we
got right there into it where wewere talking about the son of
perdition being revealed, thegreat fallen away, and then the
son of perdition being revealed.
What's interesting is most ofthe comments well, not most, but
a few of the comments I shouldsay were actually you can't call
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the great fallen away COVID, orCOVID is not the great fallen
away.
But listen, I always want toput it out there.
Everyone has their own opinionand I will say this no one truly
, fully, 100%, knows exactlywhat this looks like.
We are taking what Scripturegives us and we are making great
educated guesses, I would saycalculations, in what's supposed
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to happen.
So people have difference inopinions.
Listen, if that's you, youdon't feel it's right, hey, post
it in the comments.
Tell us why you don't feel thatway.
It's okay to be wrong.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Yeah, you can be wrong, it's all right, the great
falling away part of it couldhave been the COVID.
They didn't come back.
But let me tell you about thegreat falling away when churches
in America say homosexuality isokay, murdering babies is okay.
All of this evil.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
You are falling away from the Word of God.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
They are falling away , and when churches sit in the
four walls of their church whiletheir community goes to hell
and they're not spreading thegospel right that is the great
falling away that's right.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
I feel like we need to pass around an offering plate
go ahead, start off strong.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
That's what I'm talking about yeah, yeah if.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
If the church was doing her job, america wouldn't
be in the shape she's in.
Right about that, right aboutthat talking right, bishop?
Speaker 1 (02:19):
yeah but look, let's go ahead and dive into it.
I don't know If you want, we'llsit back and amen you.
Let you go ahead and preachthis thing.
Go get me shot, get him firedup.
No, so listen.
Yeah, we talked about that.
We talked about the great fallaway.
We talked about the son ofperdition being revealed.
So what is next in that?
We're talking about theseven-year tribulation.
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We talked about I won't saypre-tribulation, but what we
talked about before the judgmentstarted getting pulled out.
So where are we now, withinthis timeline?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
The tribulation period is a seven-year period.
First three and a half years,antichrist is going to fool the
world with peace and prosperity,he said.
He will destroy many in theirprosperity.
He's going to put money intheir pocket.
There's going to be peaceeverywhere.
Destroy many in theirprosperity.
You're going to put money intheir pocket.
There's going to be peaceeverywhere.
And it said, when they saypeace and safety, sudden
destruction comes.
After three and a half years,he's going to suddenly go into
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Jerusalem.
They will have rebuilt theirtemple and set up an image in
the temple and his throne andthis image will have the ability
to speak and it'll be an imagerepresenting him and he'll
command the world.
This is the new world religion.
You're going to bow down to mystatue.
I am God and I am king.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Which is quite interesting because I know that
even I think the pope and thegreatest imam, the head of the
Muslim community and another bigreligion in the world got
together and we're talking aboutbuilding one temple somewhere
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whether it's in Dubai orsomewhere They've already built
it, yeah where everybody cancome together and worship.
And it's just interesting thatthis whole one world religion
thing, it just seems like it'scoming closer and closer what
people don't realize.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
This antichrist is actually satan incarnate in
human flesh, just like jesus wasgod incarnate in human flesh.
Satan has always wanted god'splace right.
Jesus is supposed to come back.
As the Messiah set up hiskingdom, rule out of Jerusalem.
His throne will be there.
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Satan's trying to do it too.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
A little con artist.
Eh, he's a con artist.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
You're absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Right.
So where are we now in thetimeline in terms of all of this
?
After the fallen away, the sonof perdition be revealed.
Where are we at now in thattimeline?
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Okay, all of this after the fallen away, the son
of perdition, be revealed.
Where are we at now in thattimeline?
Okay, when he sets himself up,he's going to command the world
to bow down to him.
And I want to just stop for asecond.
I believe it's in Revelation 12, somewhere through there it
said as a forewarning that thistime is coming.
There will be a starconfiguration in the heavens.
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Remember the word says god hasgiven us the sun, the moon,
stars as signs and seasons.
Right before jesus was born,what appeared?
A star.
When he comes back, star.
And so there will be aconfiguration in the heavens of
planets or stars.
And it has the appearance of awoman that's pregnant.
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She has a crown with 12 starsover her head, which is symbolic
of the 12 tribes of Israel.
She is Israel, she's ready togive birth and at her feet is a
dragon ready to devour the child.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Is that the Draco configuration, or or is that
another?
I'm not sure about that.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Yeah but, um, anyway, I said, when this uh baby is
born, the baby's caught up to bein heaven, to be with god, and
then the woman is given thewings of a great eagle and she's
taken into the wildernessbecause the dragon's out to kill
her.
Yeah, they said before whatwe're about to talk about
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happens.
This star configuration wouldappear in the heavens.
It just happened.
Wow, that's how close we are.
But what's going to happen?
When he commands them to bowdown to him?
He is God.
Take the mark and a right handor forehead.
It's a credit card, it's yourcitizenship, it's your loyalty,
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and the stupid people of theworld will take it.
They'll be deceived, they'llthink he is God, except the Jews
.
They will revolt, say no, youare not Jehovah, and they will
revolt.
There will be people in theworld that won't take the mark
either.
This image will be given to youto kill people, the people that
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don't take it.
Many of them will be beheadedduring this time.
But when Israel revolts, thescripture we talked about was
that he would destroy two-thirdsof the Jewish nation and a
third of them would be takeninto protective exile.
So she'll be given the wings ofa great eagle.
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The word says if you're on therooftop you better not come down
.
Run to the mountains because hewill slaughter them.
That's two million or seven?
Wait a minute.
Six million Jews will be wipedout and three million will be
taken into protective exile.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
But I think it's easy to see, though, if you look at
the world and how it's going,and if there were some wild,
crazy cataclysmic event wheresome United Nations or some
government was established toregain order and control and say
, hey, here's peace, let's dothis, you could see where, I
think, the closer we get to it,you can kind of see how much
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more sense that makes thatpeople would go along with it
and would follow along with it.
If someone stands up and says,hey, all these people are
fighting and wars and things aregoing on, it's easy to see, I I
think, how somebody rising tobring solution would say peace
and prosperity and then, andthen after they've, do you think
that the the antichrist notewill know that they're the
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antichrist or do you thinkthat's something?
Speaker 3 (08:15):
they come to the revelation of or they're
possessed of it may not know atfirst yeah but I think it will
finally.
He'll finally reveal satan inhim.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Yeah, well, that's funny.
You talk about that, we talkabout imitations, but I think of
Judas, right?
It says, when he dipped, thespirit entered him, like the
devil entered him, and then hewent and betrayed Jesus.
So that's quite interesting.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
I believe Jesus.
I think when the revelationcame to him he was son of God.
I'm sure, as a little childmaybe he knew, maybe he didn't
know, but I believe when heturned 12 years old and he went
into the temple and he waspreaching to the scribes and the
Pharisees and the Jewishleaders, he knew who he was.
I believe the two prophets ofGod that will oppose the
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Antichrist during thisseven-year period are in the
world too.
They may not be aware who theyare right now, but I believe
it'll be revealed to them.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Yeah, I don't know.
That's an interesting thoughtto kind of bring to flesh, if
you will, because I think,though— John the Baptist knew
who he was when he was in thewomb.
Yeah, so I don't know, butthat's an interesting
conversation.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
A good idea on that.
We are all born with a purpose.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
So I knew you before you were born and when you were
being formed in your mother'swomb.
Psalms 139 says you'refearfully and wonderfully made.
All the days of your life werewritten in a book before it came
to be A life plan.
Written in a book before itcame to be a life plan.
And I believe we're all gettingto the stage in our lives that
our final destinies are about tobe revealed to us while we're
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here.
So I believe all of us are infor a revelation.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Okay, so he'll be set up.
He will establish himself, andif you don't follow him and take
his mark, you'll be murdered.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Right, and this is what begins what is called the
time of Jacob's trouble or thegreat tribulation.
Jacob's trouble is when Israelis almost wiped out and the
great tribulation 21 calamitiesare going to hit this earth.
And the Word says if those daysaren't shortened, that's only
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three and a half years, no onewould survive.
Two-thirds of the world'spopulation will be wiped out.
What is it?
Eight billion now?
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Yeah, it's like eight billion.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
And that's six billion people.
I guess that's a lot of deadbodies, but the first set of
judgments that will occur theAntichrist is intermingled in
that the the last 14.
It's God directly.
God's given permission inRevelation, chapter 6 it's a
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chapter 5 and chapter 6, orchapters 5 and 6, it talks about
a scroll and people before thethrone of God said who's worthy
to take this scroll and open it?
We need to know what's insideof it.
It's prophetic.
Couldn't find anybody worthyexcept one.
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It was a lamb that looked likehe had been slain.
Who's that Jesus had been slain, right?
Who's that?
Jesus?
Jesus?
Speaker 1 (11:29):
And you know his name .
Speaker 3 (11:31):
I'm surprised he was found worthy and the thing that
thrills me about it, thatexcited me.
I believe it's in Revelation 6,5 or 6.
It said there's a great throngbefore the throne of God and
they're singing, and it's you'reworthy, right to open this
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scroll and listen to what theysaid and saying, for you have
saved us from out of every tribeand nation, and you have been
made.
We have been made to be kingsand priests and and we shall
rule on the earth.
Who is that?
The?
Speaker 1 (12:10):
church.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
We are there at the beginning of the most horrible
time in human history.
We've been taken out.
People say, oh, we're going togo through the Great Tribulation
.
Well, how did we get there?
And then those seven scrolls,or seals of that scroll, are
opened.
The first one's opened andyou've heard of the four
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horsemen of the apocalypse.
There's a white horse, a redhorse, a black horse and a white
horse.
The first one's white.
He comes out and he's a kingwith a crown, a white horse, a
weapon in his hand, and he goesout to make war, the Antichrist.
Any nation or people that won'tsubmit to him.
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He's going to wipe them out.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
And he'll wipe out 2 billion people and they can't
stop him.
He'll go out and this war willlead to famine.
That's the black horse.
Go out, and this war will leadto famine.
That's the black horse.
Look at this calamity and thishurricane that settled over
Asheville.
Asheville, they had no food,they had no infrastructure.
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It's going to happen.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
It'll be like that.
He's not saying Asheville isthe— no, no, no, it'll be like
that.
Right, it'll be like that, yeah, except it'll be far worse yeah
.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
This war will be so bad, the infrastructure will be
wiped out.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
So the first horse is going to bring death and
destruction.
The black horse, the famine, isgoing to bring death and
destruction.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
And then the first one is white, the second one is
red.
That's war.
That's war, worldwide war,where he is wiping them out.
The third one is the blackhorse, which is famine, and
people will die either from thewar or from the famine.
The pale horse is death, and soall of this is going to be
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combined together and he's goingto slaughter 2 billion people
through this.
But then it brings up the fifthseal, which is interesting.
But then it brings up the fifthseal, which is interesting.
There will be people that willnot submit to his one world
religion, one world rule.
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The fifth seal, it says therewill be a great slaughter of
believers.
There are going to be peoplethat turn to God during that
time.
A lot of church folks are goingto miss the rapture.
Jason, he's coming for a churchwithout spot or wrinkle and
there are church folks shackingup together Smoking pot Drinking
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.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Doing this, doing that, not being holy as he is
holy, Not being holy.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Going along with all of this sin.
They're going gonna be leftbehind.
They're gonna be the.
There's 10 virgins.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Five were taken in, five were left be knocking on
the door let us in, let us inright, don't know you, five
foolish, five wise.
And so when?
Speaker 3 (14:59):
they turn to him.
During that time, theantichrist slaughters them.
And so that is the.
What is it?
The fifth seal and then thesixth seal is open.
There's going to be a worldwideearthquake.
Mountains will collapse,islands will sink beneath the
sea.
It'll be so massive that thegreat cities of the earth will
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collapse.
It's never been an earthquakelike that in human history, it
said.
The sky will be rolled up likea scroll, the moon will be
turned to like blood and starswill fall from the heaven, it
said.
The great people, the kings,the rulers of the earth, even
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the poor folk, will hidethemselves in the caves of the
earth and say hide us from theface of him who sits on the
throne, for it's the time of hiswrath.
And then that issues in the last14 judgments, when God raises
his fist of judgment, the worldhas never seen that it is so bad
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that they said.
The word says, if those daysweren't shortened, no one would
survive.
For the elect's sake, he wasshortening it.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Yeah, what's interesting when you talk about
hide us from his face for thewrath side of it?
It's interesting because I wasjust preaching this past Sunday
on the face of God and himshowing Moses his goodness.
And then further on inScripture, New Testament, it
talks about he showed us hisgoodness that we may repent and
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we may draw closer to him.
And so now that we're past allof this, I just thought about it
, because he talks about notonly when he shows his goodness.
He says but I will visitiniquity.
Like I will not, by any means,I will not pardon the guilty,
Like sin will be accounted for.
And so now he's went fromshowing his face in goodness to
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now people wanting to hide fromhis face and his wrath.
Are you saying he's two-faced?
I believe it that god is gonna,it's good in his mercy and
grace and that he's gonna pourout his wrath.
I see what you did there.
What?
Speaker 3 (17:19):
we're seeing is the full face of God the full face.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
There you go, that's right.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
The full face of God.
God is merciful.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
He's been merciful for 6,000 years.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Yes, yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
The thing that's interesting to me is God has
been showing his love and mercy2,000 years the church age it's
been the mercy and salvation,and grace of God and people have
mistaken his grace for himbeing permissive.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
That it's okay for me to do this.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
God hasn't done anything to me yet right well,
they're badly fooled, right.
Uh, just like you were a policeofficer one time, you helped
people, you were merciful topeople, but when they broke the
law and you had to enforce thelaw, you cuffed him and took him
to jail yeah, which makes sense, and then they would be upset
with me for holding themaccountable, just like, in the
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end, time says they'll shaketheir fist at god, um, when he
starts, instead of repenting.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Yeah, they'll.
They'll be mad at god yeah, andand they'll.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
They'll cut every the last 14 judgments.
You would think they wouldrepent, wouldn't you?
You would think they shaketheir fists and curse him wow
that's how wicked the world'sgoing to be at that time.
I want to tell you, when thechurch is gone, it's going to be
hell on earth.
Satan will be cast down out ofthe heavens with his fallen
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angels and said he will go aboutthe earth and he's full of
anger because he knows his daysare short.
You think it's bad now?
Wait till then.
That's wild.
It'll be hell on earth.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
So we did six seals already.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Yeah, and then the seventh seal is interesting.
You've watched horror moviesand they'll get real quiet for
something.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
No, I'm too safe.
I don't watch no horror movies.
I'm too safe for that.
When I was a kid, before I gotsaved- my brother would take me
to these.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
We had these theaters , you know we'd go in, oh now
it's your brother's fault.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Yeah, I blame him, that's right, my big brother he
forced me to go.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
And they had this vampire movie.
I don't like vampire movies.
I was scared senseless.
But right before he began to dosomething, he got quiet.
So when the seventh seal isopen, 30 minutes of dead silence
After all of these kind ofeclipsic things silence.
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And then you look up and out ofthe throne room of God comes
seven angels with trumpets andthey're about to sound the
trumpet.
This is when God lays it on theearth and we can talk about
that.
Next week it's going to hitthis earth.
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It won't be Satan doing it.
It won't be the Antichristdoing it.
God says it's the time of thewrath of God.
He's going to pour it out.
Let me tell you about the wrathof God.
Once his wrath is started, itdoesn't stop until it's finished
.
What do?
Speaker 2 (20:31):
you think?
Pastor Seth, I got a question.
It may be a dumb question, butI'm going to ask it anyway.
Pastor Ed, you have a lot morewisdom than I do on this.
Okay, I appreciate yourconfidence.
So, when it comes to the markof the beast right at the end of
christ is do you think thatthere is a moment that it could
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be reversed?
Is there a time in that someonecan change their mind in that
moment, or is it done is done?
Speaker 3 (21:02):
once they take that, they have taken the mark of
satan.
Okay, they cannot undo it.
They have damned their souls tohell.
There's no repentance yeah youknow, there's like the only no
one's sin that's unforgivable isblasphemy against the holy
spirit.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Right well, this, I guess, is a form of blasphemy
against the holy spirit yeahwhen this, I guess, is a form of
blasphemy against the holyspirit yeah when they take that
seal, they're believing that heis god well, what's interesting
is isn't right now therestraining power of the holy
spirit holding the enemy back,yeah, evil back.
But it says at some pointdoesn't.
And I'm trying to, I'm tryingto remember it, it's been a
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while since I said this, but itisn't.
Isn't there some point?
Speaker 3 (21:38):
when he's removed, says he that a while since I
studied this.
But isn't there some point?
When he's removed, it says hewho restrains is taken out of
the earth.
He will no longer berestraining.
The church will be gone.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Right.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
He's in the church.
We are the body of Christ.
He's in us as Christ, in you,the hope of glory.
When we're taken out and hewithdraws, he won't withdraw his
influence but his restrainingpower, because he will be
talking to people during thetribulation to get saved.
But his restraining power willbe gone and Satan will be cast
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out of the heavenlies.
You know, satan's been up thereall this time trash-talking
about us to God.
He's going to kick him out andwhen he does, he's going to be
cast to the earth.
He's going to be full of furyand anger because he knows his
days are short.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yeah, I'm going to tell you, this episode makes me
want to repent.
Make sure I'm living right,that's right.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Every night I go to bed, I pray one prayer.
I say God, if there's anythingin me that's not of you, take it
out.
Right, and you know I waswatching this war in the Middle
East talking about the fierydarts of the devil.
The devil will shoot.
Just like those Hamas andHezbollah, they shoot those
fiery missiles at Israel.
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Well, he shoots missiles at usand their thoughts to hit us, to
get us to buy into his lies andto do wrong.
Israel has an iron dome.
We have a shield of faith.
It's like an iron dome.
We can shoot the word of God upand knock those things down
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that come against us to get usto get messed up, and that did
me some good.
He's us to get messed up.
yeah, and I did me some goodhe's ready to take his head and
set off and run one interestingthing during this time, that's
three and a half years years youknow all these things that are
taking place.
Israel is protected, but duringthis time she will be wondering
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, dear God, what's happened?
What's happened?
She will begin to search thescriptures and the Spirit of God
will come down upon her.
Many of the people that havegotten saved, that are Gentiles,
since all of Jacob, will fleeto this protected place called
Basra.
And I thought, well, where arethey going to get scriptures?
A place called Basra?
And I thought, well, where arethey going to get scriptures?
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One interesting thing anevangelist in the caves of Petra
, which is in the Basra area,put the Old Testament and New
Testament there in protectivecovers and he underlined in all
the Old Testament prophecies,the prophecies about the Messiah
and in the New Testament, wherethey were fulfilled.
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So they began to search andrevival breaks out.
She is saved in one day.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
And said she will weep as though she's weeping for
her only child.
My God, we killed our Messiah,and when she is saved, that's
going to trigger something inheaven.
The doors of heaven begin toopen, and we'll talk about that
later.
Jesus will start coming back.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Amen.
We talked about the seven sealstoday.
I think next week we'll talkabout the seven trumpets and the
seven bowls.
It's about to get worse thanwhat we've already heard.
That's pretty wild.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
And after those last 14 judgments, then the return of
Christ comes back.
And there's one interestingthing and you may get some
feedback on that there are threeparts to the return of Jesus
which we'll bring out, and it'sall Scripture.
Everything I share with you iswhat is in the Word.
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That's right.
And it's exciting yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Hey, thank you guys so much for tuning in.
Pastor Seth, you good, I'm good, brother, all right.
Hey, thank you guys so much fortuning in.
Make sure you like, share,subscribe, save all those good
things and share with somebody.
This stuff's important knowingthese things, knowing what's to
come.
That's why it's been written,that's why it's in the book of
Revelation, it's in Daniel, it'sin these different prophecies
that God has given us to knowwhat's ahead, to be prepared.
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But anyway, hey, we absolutelylove to bless people and we want
to bless you with the priestlyblessing from Numbers 6, 24
through 26.
It says the Lord bless you andkeep you.
The Lord make his face shineupon you and be gracious to you.
The Lord lift up hiscountenance upon you and give
you peace.
Hey, this is Pastor Jason, withPastor to Pastor.
(26:16):
We look forward to seeing younext week.
Bless you, adios.
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