October 7, 2024 • 28 mins
Ever wondered how to recognize the signs of demonic oppression and fight back effectively? Join Pastors Jason and Seth in a riveting episode of Pastor to Pastor, where they take you into the spiritual trenches of deliverance ministry. Drawing from their impactful mission trips to India, they share vivid stories of confronting demonic entities, including a remarkable encounter with a Hindu snake demon. You'll gain insights into the subtle and overt signals that someone may need deliverance and learn about the indispensable role of discernment and the Holy Spirit in these intense spiritual battles.
Prepare yourself for an eye-opening discussion on the intense physical manifestations that can accompany deliverance sessions, from crying to vomiting. Pastors Jason and Seth emphasize the necessity of readiness, such as having a trash can nearby due to the nature of these expulsions. They introduce the concept of demonic groupings, likening them to military hierarchies, and stress the importance of targeting both the "strong man" and lesser spirits for thorough deliverance. The episode highlights the unpredictable nature of deliverance and underscores the vital role of prayer to ensure all demonic roots are eradicated.
Delving deeper, the episode explores the destructive power of bitterness and rebellion through the lens of Hebrews 12:14-17 and the story of Esau and Jacob. Learn how harboring bitterness can lead to devastating behaviors and why it's crucial to resolve conflicts promptly. The pastors also tackle the spirit of rebellion prevalent in modern society, urging listeners to align their actions with God's will to avoid spiritual pitfalls. The episode concludes with a heartfelt priestly blessing, expressing hopes for divine favor and tranquility in your lives. Tune in for a blend of wisdom, practical insights, and spiritual encouragement that promises to empower your journey in deliverance ministry.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
hey, what's up, family?
We are back with anotherepisode of pastor to pastor.
Pastor jason, you hear him.
I got pastor seth right here.
We're super excited to bejumping back on topic of
deliverance.
We took a break and, uh, talkedabout about India and a lot of
stuff with the church.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
A lot of things with the church If you didn't catch
it.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Trust me, it's one you're going to want to listen
to and share with leaders andthose who are Christians.
But today we're jumping back ontopic, to deliverance, and
we're going to talk aboutmanifestations and groupings.
I don't know many people didn'tknow that there are groupings
with deliverances and thingsthat are kind of working
together against you.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yeah, typically when you find one, you're going to
find.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
To be honest man.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
I've thought back and I'm wondering have I ever just
cast out one Like sometimesthey're paired together?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
man, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
And I think there's going to be some clarity for
people.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Yeah, it's like you cast out one and you're like oh,
there's more.
It's like you cast out one andyou're like oh, there's more.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
There's more you ain't done.
Come on out there.
They just keep coming yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
It's like that lady that you prayed for one of our
years in India and Jason reallywanted to get her healed, man,
and he prayed for her aboutthree times because she was like
I'm halfway healed, you know, Ifeel halfway better.
And then I'm like I'm almosthealed and and I'm like I'm
almost healed and Jay's like,nah, get your tail back.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
He ain't the God of the halfway.
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
But we're going to break these things down and
hopefully encourage you in someknowledge and wisdom for
manifestations and things thatmaybe you could actually, if the
Lord graces you and I thinkhe's graced us all with this
ministry.
A lot of us are running shyfrom it, but even in ourselves
we can be able to notice whatthese things are and what may.
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Also because there's maybe likea hub of one thing that has
teared down other things thatwe've been, that's built
building up in us as well thatwe can be set free from.
Yeah, so let's talk about itman, let's talk about it.
I just got back from ananniversary trip.
I just want to shout out mywife Happy anniversary.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Happy anniversary.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
She's been blessed for nine years to be married to
me Awesome.
Hey, let's jump in here atManifestations, let's talk about
it, jay, let's talk about it.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Hey.
So look, this is where we leftoff in, I think, episode four
with Deliverance.
So we're picking this up inManifestations and look, we're
picking this up inmanifestations and look when
demons are confronted andpressured through spiritual
warfare.
There are many times theydemonstrate a particular nature
through specific ways, theirparticular nature through
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specific ways.
If you remember when we were inIndia one time before man, when
you call for people or forpeople to come up for prayer in
India, you can expect to prayfor almost every single person
that's in the audience.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
And they'll try to get a double portion.
They'll come to the next person.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, they will.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
I'm like hold on, hold on.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
He just prayed for you, okay, and so one thing that
was interesting man I noticed,or that we did when we were
there a few years back, is wewere all ministering on stage
and there were so many peoplewho came up because we
specifically felt the need fordeliverance and we're like, if
you feel like there's a darkpresence in your life and you
just can't seem to get away fromit, you feel like there's a
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dark cloud over you, we want youto come to the altar man, the
altar was flooded with peopleand the gospel had been preached
.
We had done, we had done ourworship and and we were like I
remember looking over the people.
There were so many I mean,there were probably several
hundred and we're just like howdo we, how do you discern who
really needs it?
So right, I remember in thatmoment we're talking about
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pressuring demons like, um,darkness is exposed when light
shows up right, absolutely.
And so we began to pray for thelight of heaven to come and to
illuminate the darkness man.
Look, we would literally seepeople's faces like contorting
and like shaking, and I'm likethere's one right there, there's
one right there like no eyecontact, when you make eye
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contact a lot yeah, exactlyright.
I mean, there are these signs,they they manifest themselves
and so I see you, you gettingthis thing you get somebody, go
get her right or get him.
So, yeah, I mean.
So there are when.
What we're saying here is thatwhen light shows up, darkness
shows up, darkness is exposed.
And that's what we should say.
And so I remember when we comeoff stage and one time in
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particular, and and one of thepastors was with us, laid hands
on her and this one lady inparticular and she went down to
her knees and I would kind of gobehind him and try to help
minister, and the Holy Spiritsaid stop.
And he used an old word, terryI don't use that word, right,
that's right.
But he said Terry, and I'm likeokay, well, let's hang out a
little bit.
So I'm just sitting there withthis lady.
(04:43):
She's on her knees, she's cryingand she don't know English and
I don't know Telugu, but I feltled to say this.
So I get down on my knees, Ilook at her in the face and I
said the contract that wasentered with you years ago is
now void, in the name of Jesus.
And immediately she startscontorting her body like this.
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Well, later we found out it wasa snake, god, right, a Hindu
snake, god, snake demon is whatit is, yeah, and so she starts
contorting herself, and youcould easily see what nature the
spirit was through the way itwas manifesting itself.
So we knew, even without hersaying we knew we were dealing
with the snake demon, the Hinduidol or demon over there In that
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village.
In that village, in thatvillage.
So when we talk about themmanifesting and showing you
their nature, that's what we'retalking about.
You can tell a spirit of prideeasy when you're ministering to
somebody because of the way theyact.
I mean they're quick to throwtheir nose up, or cross their
arms or not want to hear orlisten or try to over-talk you.
They manifest with their natureand so a lot of times you can
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know without even talking to aman.
This is what I'm dealing withyeah, absolutely that.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
That particular woman that we were you were just
talking about jay I mean she wasslithering.
I remember she was slitheredunder the tarp we had to drag
her back out of the tarp and umyou know not only sticking her
tongue.
Yeah, not only will theymanifest physically, but they
will talk to you.
Yeah, and this was our veryfirst delivery, so we're like oh
, crap, oh man, yeah, we'restarting off really big here,
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dude.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
I remember that demon said who gives you authority to
speak to me?
For I was there when Adam wasdeceived in the garden and we
all looking at each other like,okay, we're dealing with some
ancient demons and stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
This ain't no tiny little end, but we were with
that lady for six hours.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Seven.
I think we cast out sevendemons out of her and it was
just.
It was crazy.
But you know, just keep this inmind.
This is one thing AlexanderPagani told us If God has you
there, deliver them.
We shy in america away fromthese things because we don't
know how to deal with it.
Which is why this is importantpodcast and teaching for people
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to get is because what do you dowhen god allows you to be
exposed to it?
Are you going to cower away andrun?
Are you going to do what thespirit gave us the power and the
authority to do, which is tocast out these things and set
people free?
And the beautiful thing is isthis woman gave her life to
Christ the next night, came backto the crusade, took communion
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with the family of Christ andher husband and was able to have
a baby.
This demon said she will neverhave kids.
I already killed two of them.
The next year, had this, hadthe baby, saw the baby, held the
baby, the baby's good.
I mean, it's just.
You know it's amazing.
When you're obedient to christand obedient to the authority,
you have what happens, but yougot to be able to notice it.
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You just can't show up andyou're going to be discernment,
have the holy spirit teachingyou and guiding you and stuff,
and so yeah, but they'll,they'll manifest and they'll,
they'll tell you, like you said,with, with the spirit of pride
when it manifests you know, andwe've had you know like, and so
another one that's pretty common, I think is uh like a mocking
spirit yeah like I've beenpreaching before, and a mocking
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spirit manifests and I literallyhave to grip my mic and speak
over the mocking spirit yeah um,not to create a distraction and
leading those situations,especially in the middle of a
service.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
You've got 100-plus people and you're trying to.
I'm trying to steward theservice and still make sure
things are moving withoutgetting too crazy.
So navigating that can beinteresting.
But later the person wasdelivered in a side room
somewhere.
So the ministers handle thatthing differently.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Even in the Scripture there was the mocking spirit,
the color of the python spirittoo which is.
They blend in and they're likethese truly are the men of God,
and I think it was Peter he'slike, okay, get out of here yeah
, yeah yeah, you're just tryingto get close enough just to be
able to cause disruption anddistract people and stuff, and
so, yeah, I mean it's biblical.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah.
So you can see, definitely,when we're talking about that,
they manifest themselvestypically in their own nature,
like you don't even have tosometimes conversate with them
and look, man, there's adifferent, there's different
thoughts here.
Like I've talked with somepeople and they're like I don't
care what their name is, likethey got to come out, oh yeah,
and and I believe that, and theycome out regardless.
But I do believe, at least frommy experience, that the more
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targeted and direct you are, themore you know what you're
dealing with yeah then theeasier it is to target the
prayer and the commandments andand to command them to come out.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yeah, you don't want to just spray shotgun.
I mean you want to actually hit, you want to go straight to the
target and and this is where wetalk about prep too I mean you
prep, pray into what you'regetting ready to do, walk into
deliverance.
God, give us wisdom, give usdiscernment.
Let's see inside of this personwhat's the struggle.
Let's be able to call thesethings directly out.
This is why deliverance doesn'thappen one day.
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I mean it's a prepping process.
It happens days before.
We talked about this previously.
To fast and to pray, put a mealto the side and, especially if
you're prepping for it or goinginto it to be delivered, prep
yourself and stuff, and so theHoly Spirit will speak and you
can be able to see really whatneeds to be cast out.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, probably another one too.
That'll manifest itself evenbefore they get.
There will be like the spiritof fear.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Oh yeah, absolutely that's that went with that for
sure yeah, that well.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
We've been through delivering sessions together and
after the person be like man, Ialmost didn't come yep like I
was.
Just I don't know why, I wasjust scared, I was anxious, I
started having a headache and myback started hurting my legs
wasn't working.
I mean all kind of like thespirit knows what's coming oh,
yeah, and and will try toprevent you from coming to a
session a deliverance sessionbecause they know what's what's
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going to happen yeah, and evenconvince themselves they don't
need it actually yeah, yeah Idon't need it, you know, it's
just in my mind.
Uh, your mind is definitelytelling you something false,
that's for sure yeah, yeah, yougot to be able to discern that
as well yeah, yeah, let's talkreal quick about maybe some
evidence of deliverance, likesome things you've noticed when
a person is really set free.
(10:50):
What are some things thatyou've noticed, like as far as
evidence of deliverance?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Well, there's a piece .
I think there's an instantpiece, one that I've noticed.
One of the most recent onesthat we've done is just this
appearance is different.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
You.
It's just this appearance isdifferent.
Yeah, you see that as well.
Oh yeah, their wholecountenance has changed.
Everything completely changes.
It's like a sigh of relief,like, okay, now I am who I am.
I'm truly who I am.
Now I'm not led or controlledby anything.
There's this freedom.
I think there's this sense ofpeace as well and again, we
talked about this before toothere's this infilling of the
Holy Spirit from the emptinessin that moment, and you see a
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huge shift in their actions andthe way they are carrying
themselves.
You can definitely see it.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I've seen people cry.
I mean seriously, I'm nottalking about just like a little
puppy dog, I'm talking aboutlike literally cry oh yeah.
Seeing people cough, cough,cough People vomit, that's
typically a big one.
I yeah, seeing people coughcough cough people vomit, that's
typically a big one.
I mean, normally when we'redoing a deliverance session
there's a trash can there?
Speaker 1 (11:48):
because, oh yeah, I thought you were talking about
afterwards, like the evidencethat they have been delivered.
But yeah, absolutely Sorry, Imisunderstood what you were
asking me no, no, no, yeah,absolutely yeah.
Keep a trash can nearby.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Keep a trash can and their stomach per se Like I've
never seen food.
It's always been this mucus andthis.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Vow.
I mean yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
So it's quite interesting that they're
throwing up, but I think it'smore of an inner, deeper
cleansing.
Yeah, not necessarilyassociated with the stomach
muscle or the stomach organitself.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
But an inner cleaning .
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Is that not?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
crazy.
Yeah, you would think people Imean we were talking about like
dry heaving, but I've never seenany actual like I could tell
you had corn for lunch, right.
I've not seen that.
So it's just kind of strange.
Though when you think aboutpeople throwing up, you think of
man they're throwing up theirlunch or whatever, but no, I've
never seen that.
(12:48):
I've just found thatinteresting to think about that.
They have thrown up, right, butit's been just typically like a
mucus, sometimes a black, darkmucus.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
And it's quite interesting, yeah, yeah.
And you know coughing, vomiting, sneezing.
You know we went to somedeliverance training.
There's some crazy places thatare things that can cause the
evidence to leave and stuffRight.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yeah, so that's quite interesting, but but, but what
you did hit on man was reallyright on target, I think, for a
lot of ways is there's thispeace that comes about the
person and you can tell theircountenance has changed.
Yeah, that you, you almost knowlike, all right, yeah, they're
good, yeah, and there are timeswhere you're like, uh, that was
one, now, where's the next?
Speaker 1 (13:29):
one yeah, there's, there's Right.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
And which is a great way to kind of get into the
groupings that we were going totalk about Absolutely so.
There are.
We've talked about a lot ofdifferent things through these.
And look, this is the fifthinstallment.
If you haven't heard the otherfour, we encourage you to go
back and listen to thedeliverance, because they kind
of connect with one another andit's important that you get all
the information.
Right absolutely so.
We've definitely talked aboutmanifestation steps, deliverance
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, all those kind of things, butwe've also talked about the
signs of deliverance, right,yeah, but let's talk about some
groupings, because I think thatthis is probably something that
will be new information for mostpeople is that demons are
typically grouped together.
I don't recall ever justcasting out one.
Yeah, when I think about it,and there's no, typically you
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got like what you call yourstrong man, your root spirit,
and then there's typically theseother spirits.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Yeah, and look at it as like military ranking.
A lot of demonic structure islike military ranking.
You have the head and then youhave those below, those below,
and you never, you never see oneby itself.
Um, they're, they're together,and so there's a grouping and if
you can find the main one or oreven even not the main one, but
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it will lead you to there, ifyou, if you can kind of have
discernment, pray and reallystudy these things and say, okay
, if I've called out the spiritof pride and something has
manifested out while we're here,let's go ahead and call out the
things that we know areassociated with this thing, just
to make sure we're getting itall and don't let it hide away.
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And so groupings is superimportant to consider when
you're delivering people,because you're really doing a
clean sweep of that person andthere's no real rhyme or reason.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Man, I've prayed for people had them delivered, and
it's through God's leading whatyou end up doing.
And that's why you should frontload everything with prayer,
like we've talked about severaltimes now.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
But there are some times where I've caught out the
strong man first and there aretimes where I've dealt with the
lesser spirits and then got tothe strong man last yeah and so
it's kind of uh, it's kind of a.
There's no rhyme or reason toit.
I wish I knew.
Hey, every time we go in here,this is what I'm gonna start
with, or but.
But it's just, they just kindof, when they show up, you just
cast them out yeah, yeah, andsome, some are a lot easier than
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the others.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
when you talk about the strong one and then the
lesser, then Some of those arereally fight back, talk back it
depends on how deep their rootis.
Some of them want to getslapped by you, but you can't
remember, you're not slappingthe person.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
That's right.
We ain't slapping nobody,You're slapping the person.
Yeah, don't be doing that.
We've seen some things in othercountries that are like man,
they're going to need a healingwhen you get done, get our pinky
back.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Yeah, bro, man, let's move on, man.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
But yeah, there's no rhyme or reason to it.
It's not uncommon, too, for youto be delivering somebody and
for you to hear them say hey,come out and bring the roots
with you, yeah absolutely.
Or come out and bring all yourroots.
That's not an uncommon thing,and so let's talk about one that
I know scripturally.
First, what we need to do is weneed to come on back to the
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Bible.
Yeah, we got to get them backto the Bible, right?
So let's look at one of themain ones that I think the
people deal with and don'trealize, and that's the root of
bitterness.
Like that is a strong man that alot of people either don't
realize that they have, or theydon't realize that everything
else they're dealing with isattached to that and it creates
a lot of responses, andreactions to a lot of situations
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absolutely, absolutely.
And one of the greatest umstories about it really is uh,
if you look at hebrews 12, uh,14 through 17, if you want to
hebrews 12, 14 through 17 thisis a big one for people, right?
Um, the writer says like pursuepeace with all people and
holiness, without which no onewill see the lord.
But we talked about thatrecently.
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Yeah, uh, looking carefully,least any anyone falls short of
the grace of god.
Least any root of bitternessspringing up, call, cause
trouble, right, and by this manybecome defiled.
I want to read that again.
Yeah, at least any root ofbitterness springing up cause
trouble, and by this many becomedefiled.
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Right, at least there are anyfornicator or profane person
like Esau great story for thiswho, for one morsel of food,
sold his birthright.
For you know that afterward,when he wanted to inherit the
blessing, he was rejected andfound no place for repentance.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Bro, that's rough, even though he sought it
diligently with tears, right,yeah, we have, uh, we have to be
careful that we don't openourselves up like this and that
we pursue peace and holinessyeah and scripture says at least
any root of bitterness springup and cause trouble this is why
you know, this is why scriptureis very clear that if you have
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a problem with someone, goquickly, do it quickly.
Don't even come to the altar,don't even come to a place of
worship and try to offer anyworship until you fix this stuff
, because of how big bitternesscan destroy not just the
relationship but your inside andwhat it opens the door to.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
And look what happened with Esau and all the
descendants after Esau.
Oh man, I mean root ofbitterness, the Hatfield and
McCoys.
I mean that's a huge historicalfamily feud.
I mean literally bitterness.
Man has ruined so many people'slives and so many generations
of lives.
Look at Israel and the otherArab nations.
That's all from the root ofbitterness.
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Anyway so there are a lot ofpeople walking around right now
with the root of bitternessagainst someone right and they
said this or they said that, andI don't like this or I don't
like that.
Scripture says many have becomedefiled or contaminated by this
.
Esau despised and resented hisbirthright and sold it.
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Because of his actions, hecouldn't repent and receive.
He couldn't get back what hegave up.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
And what happens when someone is contaminated.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
They contaminate other people.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Yep, yeah, absolutely .
Speaker 2 (19:35):
And so resentment is under the grouping of bitterness
right, so like if you've gotbitterness, resentment is
typically attached to bitternessand a few others.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
You know hatred and violence, temper, anger,
retaliation and murder.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
And scripture proves this in the story of esau if you
read the story of esau right,it's in genesis 27, 41 through
42.
So Esau, right.
It's in Genesis 27, 41 through42.
So Esau hated, right.
There's another root HatedJacob because of the blessing
which his father blessed him.
And Esau said in his heart theday of mourning for my father
are at hand, Then I will kill.
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There's murder.
My brother and the words ofEsau, her son, were told to
Rebekah.
So she sent and called Jacob,her younger son, and told him
Surely your brother Esau,comforts himself concerning you
by intending to kill you.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
So we see bitterness, we see anger Resentment, murder
, murder.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Hatred.
Yeah, all of that attached tothe root of bitterness is the
strong man.
The strong man was bitterness.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Yep, absolutely.
Let's talk about anothergrouping and rebellion right.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
The spirit of the Antichrist.
I mean, you really don't wantthat in you.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
That's kind of a problem, right yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
People who rebel, they use the antichrist, you
know.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Yeah, get out of here , judas.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Disobedience is of disrespect for authority and
really, as generations arecoming up, this right here is
showering youth today,absolutely Especially when it
comes to disobedience anddisrespect to authority.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Not just the youth, bro, listen.
I've been in law enforcementfor almost 20 years now and the
amount of people, look.
I've literally stopped kidsfrom throwing rocks at cars
driving down the street,damaging cars, running the risk
of the person swerving andhitting them and killing them,
and brought them to the policestation and called parents.
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And parents show up, infuriatedat the fact that you did
anything with their children,infuriated at the fact that I
didn't even charge them.
I just wanted their parents tocome get them and know what they
were doing.
They were infuriated at thefact that I stopped and talked
to their children.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
So backwards, man.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
I'm like do you realize what could have happened
and what was prevented fromhappening?
Instead of thanking me andsaying, hey, I'll take care of
this, sir, it became a really.
I ended up having to tellpeople look, just go ahead and
go, just take your kids andleave.
And so now the kids are growingup realizing how their parents
acted, and now we've created awhole generation of rebellion.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Yep, that's it.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Against authority.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Well, god has established authority in the
home, in the church and ingovernment.
God himself is, of course, oursupreme authority.
Scripture talks about that aswell.
To assert our self-will aboveGod's divine order is to
entertain the demons ofrebellion.
It's where you've got torealize your actions are
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supporting either god's will orthe enemy's will for your life.
Absolutely, your actions matter, and what you're, what you're
allowing to come in as well.
Let's look at first samuel 15,23 to 24.
It talks about saul's rebellionand we see, as you know this
story, what it leads to, forrebellion is as the sin of
witchcraft wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
So if I'm rebelling, then um kind of practicing.
It's kind of like practicingwitchcraft yep, that's what
scripture says oh yeah, andstubbornness is as iniquity and
idolatry.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
What, my goodness son , I need to preach this sunday?
Yes, my god, I got some peoplein mind.
Because you have rejected theword of the Lord, he also has
rejected you from being king.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yeah, he's talking to Saul yeah absolutely Verse 24,.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
then Saul said to Samuel I have sinned, for I have
transgressed the commandment ofthe Lord and your words,
because I feared the people andobeyed their voice.
I think this is why in the NewTestament you see it sprinkled
throughout scriptures where itsays we don't live to please man
, we live to please God.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Right.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Because when you get focused on pleasing man, you
allow these types of things toenter your heart.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Exactly, it's the same thing with pastors.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
That's scary, bro, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
It's what we talked about last week.
Exactly you, that's scary bro.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Absolutely, it's what we talked about last week
Exactly.
You better stand on the truthof God's word.
If we are living for theapplause of man and not the
pleasing of God, we'repracticing some of these very
same things.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
And opening the door for people who are leading to
practice those things andrealize that we are and you
can't correct them, because youwere doing the same thing.
We are providing the handcuffsfor people to be bound yeah, for
sure.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
And so you look here at some of the groupings along
with that, uh, with the with,with rebellion, the antichrist
spirit, really, um self-willlike I, I can do it by myself
and I should do it for myself.
Yeah, um stubbornness,disobedience yeah, stubbornness
is not a gift of the spirit.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Okay, are you sure?
Or pettiness?
Let's say that, come onsomebody, they're not fruits of
the spirit.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
no, those a gift of the Spirit.
Okay, are you sure?
Or pettiness, let's say that,come on somebody, they're not
fruits of the Spirit, no.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Those are fruits of the flesh.
Some of you are gifted in thatarea and you need to repent.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Let's move on here right.
And we got anti-submission.
Bro, that is a cuss word.
Submit to somebody.
Come on, bro Ain, submit tonobody.
Heck, no man.
Anyway, you talking right.
Bishop and saw didn't want todo any of this right, and and he
chose to please man overobeying god and god cut him off.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yep, god cut him off.
Not not only did he lose his,his leadership role and the
blessing of god, but he lost hislife.
And all that, yeah, because ofwhat?
Which?
Again, when you allow thesethings to overtake you, it gets
you in a state of depression,because that's the overall goal
right still kill and destroythat's all the devil's trying to
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do yep like, and so it.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
It drives me crazy, man, when you see people like,
even in other religions,worshiping and we know this to
be true, and especially in india.
You're worshiping demons.
Their thought is if I worshipthe big demon, the little demons
won't bother me.
Yeah, their goal is to steal,kill and destroy that is all
they're there for they're nothelping you.
They're not protecting you.
They're providing a path foryour destruction oh, yeah,
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absolutely so absolutely anyway.
Um, disobedience is a form ofrebellion.
You are choosing your wayinstead of gods.
How often does this uh go wellfor people, right, like, how
often does that typically dowell for people?
Yeah, not good at all how'd itgo for jonah, who wasted a lot
of time?
I mean, if you want to be inthe belly of a fish, near death,
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and then being uh, you knowcast out on the beach when you
finally decide to do what god'sasked you to do?
yeah, I mean, if that's what youwant, hey, go about it, right.
But when you walk intodisobedience you can expect a
hard life oh, absolutely,absolutely but man, look,
there's uh, several groupingsthat go along together.
These are just, and these are,these are come on back to bible.
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These are biblical examples.
Absolutely.
We're not just pulling this outsaying hey.
But what's funny, man, isduring.
When you go through thistraining and when you start
digging and studying, whatyou'll find out is a lot of the
things that you read about inquote-unquote.
Science or in um psychology isalready discussed and talked
about in Scripture.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yes, sir.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Because now psychologists in the DSM it was,
I think, four when I was goingthrough school, it's probably
ten now In the book they used totalk about mental illness and
diagnose mental illness.
Those things are exactly whatScripture's already pointed out.
So they're just uncovering whatScripture's already laid out
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for us.
And so when you start studyingand doing these things, you
start piecing together thingsyou've seen before and you start
realizing man, scripture'salready got the answer to all
this for us.
That's right.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
But anyway, you good to go.
I'm good Brother, I'm going togo ahead and bless the people
and send them on their way andwe thank you so much for being a
part of Pastor to Pastor.
We hope you've learnedsomething, at least given you
something to dig into and studythrough and be prepared for
deliverance.
Because, listen, I'm going totell you, a problem in America
is we medicate what needs to bedelivered.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
We have literally gone to the doctor to be
medicated and prescribedmedicine for something that
needs to be cast out but, and ifwe, I think we can make this
available.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
If you're interested in getting a list of these
groupings and things we can getit to you is that right, yeah
yeah, so just reach out, we'llget you the material that you
need so you can kind of get youreye on and expose the things
that may be connected to muchdeeper things.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yeah, for sure.
So anyway, if you're good to go, we want to read the priestly
blessing to you.
It says the Lord bless you andkeep you.
Lord, make his face shine uponyou.
Lord, be gracious to you.
The Lord lift up hiscountenance upon you and give
you peace.
Hey, thank you so much forlistening to pastor the pastor.
We look forward to catching youhere next time all right, we'll
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see you here, god bless yougive him praise.
hey, what's up, family?
We are back with anotherepisode of pastor to pastor.
Pastor jason, you hear him.
I got pastor seth right here.
We're super excited to bejumping back on topic of
deliverance.
We took a break and, uh, talkedabout about India and a lot of
stuff with the church.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
A lot of things with the church If you didn't catch
it.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Trust me, it's one you're going to want to listen
to and share with leaders andthose who are Christians.
But today we're jumping back ontopic, to deliverance, and
we're going to talk aboutmanifestations and groupings.
I don't know many people didn'tknow that there are groupings
with deliverances and thingsthat are kind of working
together against you.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yeah, typically when you find one, you're going to
find.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
To be honest man.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
I've thought back and I'm wondering have I ever just
cast out one Like sometimesthey're paired together?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
man, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
And I think there's going to be some clarity for
people.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Yeah, it's like you cast out one and you're like oh,
there's more.
It's like you cast out one andyou're like oh, there's more.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
There's more you ain't done.
Come on out there.
They just keep coming yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
It's like that lady that you prayed for one of our
years in India and Jason reallywanted to get her healed, man,
and he prayed for her aboutthree times because she was like
I'm halfway healed, you know, Ifeel halfway better.
And then I'm like I'm almosthealed and and I'm like I'm
almost healed and Jay's like,nah, get your tail back.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
He ain't the God of the halfway.
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
But we're going to break these things down and
hopefully encourage you in someknowledge and wisdom for
manifestations and things thatmaybe you could actually, if the
Lord graces you and I thinkhe's graced us all with this
ministry.
A lot of us are running shyfrom it, but even in ourselves
we can be able to notice whatthese things are and what may.
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Also because there's maybe likea hub of one thing that has
teared down other things thatwe've been, that's built
building up in us as well thatwe can be set free from.
Yeah, so let's talk about itman, let's talk about it.
I just got back from ananniversary trip.
I just want to shout out mywife Happy anniversary.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Happy anniversary.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
She's been blessed for nine years to be married to
me Awesome.
Hey, let's jump in here atManifestations, let's talk about
it, jay, let's talk about it.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Hey.
So look, this is where we leftoff in, I think, episode four
with Deliverance.
So we're picking this up inManifestations and look, we're
picking this up inmanifestations and look when
demons are confronted andpressured through spiritual
warfare.
There are many times theydemonstrate a particular nature
through specific ways, theirparticular nature through
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specific ways.
If you remember when we were inIndia one time before man, when
you call for people or forpeople to come up for prayer in
India, you can expect to prayfor almost every single person
that's in the audience.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
And they'll try to get a double portion.
They'll come to the next person.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, they will.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
I'm like hold on, hold on.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
He just prayed for you, okay, and so one thing that
was interesting man I noticed,or that we did when we were
there a few years back, is wewere all ministering on stage
and there were so many peoplewho came up because we
specifically felt the need fordeliverance and we're like, if
you feel like there's a darkpresence in your life and you
just can't seem to get away fromit, you feel like there's a
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dark cloud over you, we want youto come to the altar man, the
altar was flooded with peopleand the gospel had been preached
.
We had done, we had done ourworship and and we were like I
remember looking over the people.
There were so many I mean,there were probably several
hundred and we're just like howdo we, how do you discern who
really needs it?
So right, I remember in thatmoment we're talking about
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pressuring demons like, um,darkness is exposed when light
shows up right, absolutely.
And so we began to pray for thelight of heaven to come and to
illuminate the darkness man.
Look, we would literally seepeople's faces like contorting
and like shaking, and I'm likethere's one right there, there's
one right there like no eyecontact, when you make eye
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contact a lot yeah, exactlyright.
I mean, there are these signs,they they manifest themselves
and so I see you, you gettingthis thing you get somebody, go
get her right or get him.
So, yeah, I mean.
So there are when.
What we're saying here is thatwhen light shows up, darkness
shows up, darkness is exposed.
And that's what we should say.
And so I remember when we comeoff stage and one time in
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particular, and and one of thepastors was with us, laid hands
on her and this one lady inparticular and she went down to
her knees and I would kind of gobehind him and try to help
minister, and the Holy Spiritsaid stop.
And he used an old word, terryI don't use that word, right,
that's right.
But he said Terry, and I'm likeokay, well, let's hang out a
little bit.
So I'm just sitting there withthis lady.
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She's on her knees, she's cryingand she don't know English and
I don't know Telugu, but I feltled to say this.
So I get down on my knees, Ilook at her in the face and I
said the contract that wasentered with you years ago is
now void, in the name of Jesus.
And immediately she startscontorting her body like this.
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Well, later we found out it wasa snake, god, right, a Hindu
snake, god, snake demon is whatit is, yeah, and so she starts
contorting herself, and youcould easily see what nature the
spirit was through the way itwas manifesting itself.
So we knew, even without hersaying we knew we were dealing
with the snake demon, the Hinduidol or demon over there In that
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village.
In that village, in thatvillage.
So when we talk about themmanifesting and showing you
their nature, that's what we'retalking about.
You can tell a spirit of prideeasy when you're ministering to
somebody because of the way theyact.
I mean they're quick to throwtheir nose up, or cross their
arms or not want to hear orlisten or try to over-talk you.
They manifest with their natureand so a lot of times you can
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know without even talking to aman.
This is what I'm dealing withyeah, absolutely that.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
That particular woman that we were you were just
talking about jay I mean she wasslithering.
I remember she was slitheredunder the tarp we had to drag
her back out of the tarp and umyou know not only sticking her
tongue.
Yeah, not only will theymanifest physically, but they
will talk to you.
Yeah, and this was our veryfirst delivery, so we're like oh
, crap, oh man, yeah, we'restarting off really big here,
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dude.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
I remember that demon said who gives you authority to
speak to me?
For I was there when Adam wasdeceived in the garden and we
all looking at each other like,okay, we're dealing with some
ancient demons and stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
This ain't no tiny little end, but we were with
that lady for six hours.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Seven.
I think we cast out sevendemons out of her and it was
just.
It was crazy.
But you know, just keep this inmind.
This is one thing AlexanderPagani told us If God has you
there, deliver them.
We shy in america away fromthese things because we don't
know how to deal with it.
Which is why this is importantpodcast and teaching for people
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to get is because what do you dowhen god allows you to be
exposed to it?
Are you going to cower away andrun?
Are you going to do what thespirit gave us the power and the
authority to do, which is tocast out these things and set
people free?
And the beautiful thing is isthis woman gave her life to
Christ the next night, came backto the crusade, took communion
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with the family of Christ andher husband and was able to have
a baby.
This demon said she will neverhave kids.
I already killed two of them.
The next year, had this, hadthe baby, saw the baby, held the
baby, the baby's good.
I mean, it's just.
You know it's amazing.
When you're obedient to christand obedient to the authority,
you have what happens, but yougot to be able to notice it.
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You just can't show up andyou're going to be discernment,
have the holy spirit teachingyou and guiding you and stuff,
and so yeah, but they'll,they'll manifest and they'll,
they'll tell you, like you said,with, with the spirit of pride
when it manifests you know, andwe've had you know like, and so
another one that's pretty common, I think is uh like a mocking
spirit yeah like I've beenpreaching before, and a mocking
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spirit manifests and I literallyhave to grip my mic and speak
over the mocking spirit yeah um,not to create a distraction and
leading those situations,especially in the middle of a
service.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
You've got 100-plus people and you're trying to.
I'm trying to steward theservice and still make sure
things are moving withoutgetting too crazy.
So navigating that can beinteresting.
But later the person wasdelivered in a side room
somewhere.
So the ministers handle thatthing differently.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Even in the Scripture there was the mocking spirit,
the color of the python spirittoo which is.
They blend in and they're likethese truly are the men of God,
and I think it was Peter he'slike, okay, get out of here yeah
, yeah yeah, you're just tryingto get close enough just to be
able to cause disruption anddistract people and stuff, and
so, yeah, I mean it's biblical.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah.
So you can see, definitely,when we're talking about that,
they manifest themselvestypically in their own nature,
like you don't even have tosometimes conversate with them
and look, man, there's adifferent, there's different
thoughts here.
Like I've talked with somepeople and they're like I don't
care what their name is, likethey got to come out, oh yeah,
and and I believe that, and theycome out regardless.
But I do believe, at least frommy experience, that the more
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targeted and direct you are, themore you know what you're
dealing with yeah then theeasier it is to target the
prayer and the commandments andand to command them to come out.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yeah, you don't want to just spray shotgun.
I mean you want to actually hit, you want to go straight to the
target and and this is where wetalk about prep too I mean you
prep, pray into what you'regetting ready to do, walk into
deliverance.
God, give us wisdom, give usdiscernment.
Let's see inside of this personwhat's the struggle.
Let's be able to call thesethings directly out.
This is why deliverance doesn'thappen one day.
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I mean it's a prepping process.
It happens days before.
We talked about this previously.
To fast and to pray, put a mealto the side and, especially if
you're prepping for it or goinginto it to be delivered, prep
yourself and stuff, and so theHoly Spirit will speak and you
can be able to see really whatneeds to be cast out.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, probably another one too.
That'll manifest itself evenbefore they get.
There will be like the spiritof fear.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Oh yeah, absolutely that's that went with that for
sure yeah, that well.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
We've been through delivering sessions together and
after the person be like man, Ialmost didn't come yep like I
was.
Just I don't know why, I wasjust scared, I was anxious, I
started having a headache and myback started hurting my legs
wasn't working.
I mean all kind of like thespirit knows what's coming oh,
yeah, and and will try toprevent you from coming to a
session a deliverance sessionbecause they know what's what's
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going to happen yeah, and evenconvince themselves they don't
need it actually yeah, yeah Idon't need it, you know, it's
just in my mind.
Uh, your mind is definitelytelling you something false,
that's for sure yeah, yeah, yougot to be able to discern that
as well yeah, yeah, let's talkreal quick about maybe some
evidence of deliverance, likesome things you've noticed when
a person is really set free.
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What are some things thatyou've noticed, like as far as
evidence of deliverance?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Well, there's a piece .
I think there's an instantpiece, one that I've noticed.
One of the most recent onesthat we've done is just this
appearance is different.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
You.
It's just this appearance isdifferent.
Yeah, you see that as well.
Oh yeah, their wholecountenance has changed.
Everything completely changes.
It's like a sigh of relief,like, okay, now I am who I am.
I'm truly who I am.
Now I'm not led or controlledby anything.
There's this freedom.
I think there's this sense ofpeace as well and again, we
talked about this before toothere's this infilling of the
Holy Spirit from the emptinessin that moment, and you see a
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huge shift in their actions andthe way they are carrying
themselves.
You can definitely see it.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I've seen people cry.
I mean seriously, I'm nottalking about just like a little
puppy dog, I'm talking aboutlike literally cry oh yeah.
Seeing people cough, cough,cough People vomit, that's
typically a big one.
I yeah, seeing people coughcough cough people vomit, that's
typically a big one.
I mean, normally when we'redoing a deliverance session
there's a trash can there?
Speaker 1 (11:48):
because, oh yeah, I thought you were talking about
afterwards, like the evidencethat they have been delivered.
But yeah, absolutely Sorry, Imisunderstood what you were
asking me no, no, no, yeah,absolutely yeah.
Keep a trash can nearby.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Keep a trash can and their stomach per se Like I've
never seen food.
It's always been this mucus andthis.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Vow.
I mean yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
So it's quite interesting that they're
throwing up, but I think it'smore of an inner, deeper
cleansing.
Yeah, not necessarilyassociated with the stomach
muscle or the stomach organitself.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
But an inner cleaning .
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Is that not?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
crazy.
Yeah, you would think people Imean we were talking about like
dry heaving, but I've never seenany actual like I could tell
you had corn for lunch, right.
I've not seen that.
So it's just kind of strange.
Though when you think aboutpeople throwing up, you think of
man they're throwing up theirlunch or whatever, but no, I've
never seen that.
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I've just found thatinteresting to think about that.
They have thrown up, right, butit's been just typically like a
mucus, sometimes a black, darkmucus.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
And it's quite interesting, yeah, yeah.
And you know coughing, vomiting, sneezing.
You know we went to somedeliverance training.
There's some crazy places thatare things that can cause the
evidence to leave and stuffRight.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yeah, so that's quite interesting, but but, but what
you did hit on man was reallyright on target, I think, for a
lot of ways is there's thispeace that comes about the
person and you can tell theircountenance has changed.
Yeah, that you, you almost knowlike, all right, yeah, they're
good, yeah, and there are timeswhere you're like, uh, that was
one, now, where's the next?
Speaker 1 (13:29):
one yeah, there's, there's Right.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
And which is a great way to kind of get into the
groupings that we were going totalk about Absolutely so.
There are.
We've talked about a lot ofdifferent things through these.
And look, this is the fifthinstallment.
If you haven't heard the otherfour, we encourage you to go
back and listen to thedeliverance, because they kind
of connect with one another andit's important that you get all
the information.
Right absolutely so.
We've definitely talked aboutmanifestation steps, deliverance
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, all those kind of things, butwe've also talked about the
signs of deliverance, right,yeah, but let's talk about some
groupings, because I think thatthis is probably something that
will be new information for mostpeople is that demons are
typically grouped together.
I don't recall ever justcasting out one.
Yeah, when I think about it,and there's no, typically you
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got like what you call yourstrong man, your root spirit,
and then there's typically theseother spirits.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Yeah, and look at it as like military ranking.
A lot of demonic structure islike military ranking.
You have the head and then youhave those below, those below,
and you never, you never see oneby itself.
Um, they're, they're together,and so there's a grouping and if
you can find the main one or oreven even not the main one, but
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it will lead you to there, ifyou, if you can kind of have
discernment, pray and reallystudy these things and say, okay
, if I've called out the spiritof pride and something has
manifested out while we're here,let's go ahead and call out the
things that we know areassociated with this thing, just
to make sure we're getting itall and don't let it hide away.
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And so groupings is superimportant to consider when
you're delivering people,because you're really doing a
clean sweep of that person andthere's no real rhyme or reason.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Man, I've prayed for people had them delivered, and
it's through God's leading whatyou end up doing.
And that's why you should frontload everything with prayer,
like we've talked about severaltimes now.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
But there are some times where I've caught out the
strong man first and there aretimes where I've dealt with the
lesser spirits and then got tothe strong man last yeah and so
it's kind of uh, it's kind of a.
There's no rhyme or reason toit.
I wish I knew.
Hey, every time we go in here,this is what I'm gonna start
with, or but.
But it's just, they just kindof, when they show up, you just
cast them out yeah, yeah, andsome, some are a lot easier than
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the others.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
when you talk about the strong one and then the
lesser, then Some of those arereally fight back, talk back it
depends on how deep their rootis.
Some of them want to getslapped by you, but you can't
remember, you're not slappingthe person.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
That's right.
We ain't slapping nobody,You're slapping the person.
Yeah, don't be doing that.
We've seen some things in othercountries that are like man,
they're going to need a healingwhen you get done, get our pinky
back.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Yeah, bro, man, let's move on, man.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
But yeah, there's no rhyme or reason to it.
It's not uncommon, too, for youto be delivering somebody and
for you to hear them say hey,come out and bring the roots
with you, yeah absolutely.
Or come out and bring all yourroots.
That's not an uncommon thing,and so let's talk about one that
I know scripturally.
First, what we need to do is weneed to come on back to the
(16:33):
Bible.
Yeah, we got to get them backto the Bible, right?
So let's look at one of themain ones that I think the
people deal with and don'trealize, and that's the root of
bitterness.
Like that is a strong man that alot of people either don't
realize that they have, or theydon't realize that everything
else they're dealing with isattached to that and it creates
a lot of responses, andreactions to a lot of situations
(16:55):
absolutely, absolutely.
And one of the greatest umstories about it really is uh,
if you look at hebrews 12, uh,14 through 17, if you want to
hebrews 12, 14 through 17 thisis a big one for people, right?
Um, the writer says like pursuepeace with all people and
holiness, without which no onewill see the lord.
But we talked about thatrecently.
(17:15):
Yeah, uh, looking carefully,least any anyone falls short of
the grace of god.
Least any root of bitternessspringing up, call, cause
trouble, right, and by this manybecome defiled.
I want to read that again.
Yeah, at least any root ofbitterness springing up cause
trouble, and by this many becomedefiled.
(17:39):
Right, at least there are anyfornicator or profane person
like Esau great story for thiswho, for one morsel of food,
sold his birthright.
For you know that afterward,when he wanted to inherit the
blessing, he was rejected andfound no place for repentance.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Bro, that's rough, even though he sought it
diligently with tears, right,yeah, we have, uh, we have to be
careful that we don't openourselves up like this and that
we pursue peace and holinessyeah and scripture says at least
any root of bitterness springup and cause trouble this is why
you know, this is why scriptureis very clear that if you have
(18:20):
a problem with someone, goquickly, do it quickly.
Don't even come to the altar,don't even come to a place of
worship and try to offer anyworship until you fix this stuff
, because of how big bitternesscan destroy not just the
relationship but your inside andwhat it opens the door to.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
And look what happened with Esau and all the
descendants after Esau.
Oh man, I mean root ofbitterness, the Hatfield and
McCoys.
I mean that's a huge historicalfamily feud.
I mean literally bitterness.
Man has ruined so many people'slives and so many generations
of lives.
Look at Israel and the otherArab nations.
That's all from the root ofbitterness.
(18:59):
Anyway so there are a lot ofpeople walking around right now
with the root of bitternessagainst someone right and they
said this or they said that, andI don't like this or I don't
like that.
Scripture says many have becomedefiled or contaminated by this
.
Esau despised and resented hisbirthright and sold it.
(19:23):
Because of his actions, hecouldn't repent and receive.
He couldn't get back what hegave up.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
And what happens when someone is contaminated.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
They contaminate other people.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Yep, yeah, absolutely .
Speaker 2 (19:35):
And so resentment is under the grouping of bitterness
right, so like if you've gotbitterness, resentment is
typically attached to bitternessand a few others.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
You know hatred and violence, temper, anger,
retaliation and murder.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
And scripture proves this in the story of esau if you
read the story of esau right,it's in genesis 27, 41 through
42.
So Esau, right.
It's in Genesis 27, 41 through42.
So Esau hated, right.
There's another root HatedJacob because of the blessing
which his father blessed him.
And Esau said in his heart theday of mourning for my father
are at hand, Then I will kill.
(20:11):
There's murder.
My brother and the words ofEsau, her son, were told to
Rebekah.
So she sent and called Jacob,her younger son, and told him
Surely your brother Esau,comforts himself concerning you
by intending to kill you.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
So we see bitterness, we see anger Resentment, murder
, murder.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Hatred.
Yeah, all of that attached tothe root of bitterness is the
strong man.
The strong man was bitterness.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Yep, absolutely.
Let's talk about anothergrouping and rebellion right.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
The spirit of the Antichrist.
I mean, you really don't wantthat in you.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
That's kind of a problem, right yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
People who rebel, they use the antichrist, you
know.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Yeah, get out of here , judas.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Disobedience is of disrespect for authority and
really, as generations arecoming up, this right here is
showering youth today,absolutely Especially when it
comes to disobedience anddisrespect to authority.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Not just the youth, bro, listen.
I've been in law enforcementfor almost 20 years now and the
amount of people, look.
I've literally stopped kidsfrom throwing rocks at cars
driving down the street,damaging cars, running the risk
of the person swerving andhitting them and killing them,
and brought them to the policestation and called parents.
(21:39):
And parents show up, infuriatedat the fact that you did
anything with their children,infuriated at the fact that I
didn't even charge them.
I just wanted their parents tocome get them and know what they
were doing.
They were infuriated at thefact that I stopped and talked
to their children.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
So backwards, man.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
I'm like do you realize what could have happened
and what was prevented fromhappening?
Instead of thanking me andsaying, hey, I'll take care of
this, sir, it became a really.
I ended up having to tellpeople look, just go ahead and
go, just take your kids andleave.
And so now the kids are growingup realizing how their parents
acted, and now we've created awhole generation of rebellion.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Yep, that's it.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Against authority.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Well, god has established authority in the
home, in the church and ingovernment.
God himself is, of course, oursupreme authority.
Scripture talks about that aswell.
To assert our self-will aboveGod's divine order is to
entertain the demons ofrebellion.
It's where you've got torealize your actions are
(22:39):
supporting either god's will orthe enemy's will for your life.
Absolutely, your actions matter, and what you're, what you're
allowing to come in as well.
Let's look at first samuel 15,23 to 24.
It talks about saul's rebellionand we see, as you know this
story, what it leads to, forrebellion is as the sin of
witchcraft wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
So if I'm rebelling, then um kind of practicing.
It's kind of like practicingwitchcraft yep, that's what
scripture says oh yeah, andstubbornness is as iniquity and
idolatry.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
What, my goodness son , I need to preach this sunday?
Yes, my god, I got some peoplein mind.
Because you have rejected theword of the Lord, he also has
rejected you from being king.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yeah, he's talking to Saul yeah absolutely Verse 24,.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
then Saul said to Samuel I have sinned, for I have
transgressed the commandment ofthe Lord and your words,
because I feared the people andobeyed their voice.
I think this is why in the NewTestament you see it sprinkled
throughout scriptures where itsays we don't live to please man
, we live to please God.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Right.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Because when you get focused on pleasing man, you
allow these types of things toenter your heart.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Exactly, it's the same thing with pastors.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
That's scary, bro, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
It's what we talked about last week.
Exactly you, that's scary bro.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Absolutely, it's what we talked about last week
Exactly.
You better stand on the truthof God's word.
If we are living for theapplause of man and not the
pleasing of God, we'repracticing some of these very
same things.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
And opening the door for people who are leading to
practice those things andrealize that we are and you
can't correct them, because youwere doing the same thing.
We are providing the handcuffsfor people to be bound yeah, for
sure.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
And so you look here at some of the groupings along
with that, uh, with the with,with rebellion, the antichrist
spirit, really, um self-willlike I, I can do it by myself
and I should do it for myself.
Yeah, um stubbornness,disobedience yeah, stubbornness
is not a gift of the spirit.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Okay, are you sure?
Or pettiness?
Let's say that, come onsomebody, they're not fruits of
the spirit.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
no, those a gift of the Spirit.
Okay, are you sure?
Or pettiness, let's say that,come on somebody, they're not
fruits of the Spirit, no.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Those are fruits of the flesh.
Some of you are gifted in thatarea and you need to repent.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Let's move on here right.
And we got anti-submission.
Bro, that is a cuss word.
Submit to somebody.
Come on, bro Ain, submit tonobody.
Heck, no man.
Anyway, you talking right.
Bishop and saw didn't want todo any of this right, and and he
chose to please man overobeying god and god cut him off.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yep, god cut him off.
Not not only did he lose his,his leadership role and the
blessing of god, but he lost hislife.
And all that, yeah, because ofwhat?
Which?
Again, when you allow thesethings to overtake you, it gets
you in a state of depression,because that's the overall goal
right still kill and destroythat's all the devil's trying to
(25:28):
do yep like, and so it.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
It drives me crazy, man, when you see people like,
even in other religions,worshiping and we know this to
be true, and especially in india.
You're worshiping demons.
Their thought is if I worshipthe big demon, the little demons
won't bother me.
Yeah, their goal is to steal,kill and destroy that is all
they're there for they're nothelping you.
They're not protecting you.
They're providing a path foryour destruction oh, yeah,
(25:52):
absolutely so absolutely anyway.
Um, disobedience is a form ofrebellion.
You are choosing your wayinstead of gods.
How often does this uh go wellfor people, right, like, how
often does that typically dowell for people?
Yeah, not good at all how'd itgo for jonah, who wasted a lot
of time?
I mean, if you want to be inthe belly of a fish, near death,
(26:14):
and then being uh, you knowcast out on the beach when you
finally decide to do what god'sasked you to do?
yeah, I mean, if that's what youwant, hey, go about it, right.
But when you walk intodisobedience you can expect a
hard life oh, absolutely,absolutely but man, look,
there's uh, several groupingsthat go along together.
These are just, and these are,these are come on back to bible.
(26:39):
These are biblical examples.
Absolutely.
We're not just pulling this outsaying hey.
But what's funny, man, isduring.
When you go through thistraining and when you start
digging and studying, whatyou'll find out is a lot of the
things that you read about inquote-unquote.
Science or in um psychology isalready discussed and talked
about in Scripture.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yes, sir.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Because now psychologists in the DSM it was,
I think, four when I was goingthrough school, it's probably
ten now In the book they used totalk about mental illness and
diagnose mental illness.
Those things are exactly whatScripture's already pointed out.
So they're just uncovering whatScripture's already laid out
(27:20):
for us.
And so when you start studyingand doing these things, you
start piecing together thingsyou've seen before and you start
realizing man, scripture'salready got the answer to all
this for us.
That's right.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
But anyway, you good to go.
I'm good Brother, I'm going togo ahead and bless the people
and send them on their way andwe thank you so much for being a
part of Pastor to Pastor.
We hope you've learnedsomething, at least given you
something to dig into and studythrough and be prepared for
deliverance.
Because, listen, I'm going totell you, a problem in America
is we medicate what needs to bedelivered.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
We have literally gone to the doctor to be
medicated and prescribedmedicine for something that
needs to be cast out but, and ifwe, I think we can make this
available.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
If you're interested in getting a list of these
groupings and things we can getit to you is that right, yeah
yeah, so just reach out, we'llget you the material that you
need so you can kind of get youreye on and expose the things
that may be connected to muchdeeper things.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yeah, for sure.
So anyway, if you're good to go, we want to read the priestly
blessing to you.
It says the Lord bless you andkeep you.
Lord, make his face shine uponyou.
Lord, be gracious to you.
The Lord lift up hiscountenance upon you and give
you peace.
Hey, thank you so much forlistening to pastor the pastor.
We look forward to catching youhere next time all right, we'll
(28:44):
see you here, god bless yougive him praise.
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