April 30, 2025 • 56 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:17):
Hello and welcome to Pastor's Perspective. I'm your host, Brian Perez.
It is Thursday, the 2 dozen day of April 2025.
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Here to answer your questions today, we've got Pastor Brian Broderson.
How are you, sir? Thank you for joining me in
studio today.
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Well, I'm, yes, think I'm glad to be here. Thank you.
And uh I just looked up and saw the great doctor, Doctor.
He made it. Yes, he broke through the, the resistance,
whatever that was. He's in a secret underground location or something.
I don't know what that. Well, I'm in the mountains
right now, and I forgot to bring my charger for
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my laptop. And so my my my laptop's about to die.
And so I'm over here.
Working to figure out how to connect with you guys
through my phone. So if you lose me for a second,
know that I plan to be back up shortly. So
are you on your phone right now?
You're on your laptop. What's gonna die? OK, yeah. All right.
(02:08):
Are you in the Smoky Mountains?
Um,
I am in the Blue Ridge Blue Ridge Mountains, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's beautiful here. um, and once
I get myself settled, I'll figure out a better background
and stuff, but right now, yeah, we, that was the
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next question we were gonna ask. Are you gonna be
able to.
You look like you're kind of in an earthquake too,
you know, you're kind of just keep going from side
to side.
Oh man, I know, right? Jeez. So, what, like what
are you doing in the mountains? You just hanging out?
Yeah, we have some friends, so we got away. They
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got a cabin up here and we just came out
to hang out with some friends of ours for a
few nights. So compare the Blue Ridge Mountains to, say,
the local San Bernardino Mountains and then to the Sierras.
Well,
I mean, it's a different kind of tree, you know,
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like they're not as tall and um the mountains aren't
as like majestic, but it's very lush. Uh, it, it,
you know, the, the leaves change, uh, you know, in,
in the spring and the foliage is spectacular. Like, I
don't know if you've ever seen those pictures of the
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Billy Graham.
Uh, cove up in the Blue Ridge Mountains and it
just pops and so the Blue Ridge Mountains bump into
the Smoky Mountains, uh, and so they're very similar, uh, in,
in their vibe like it, it looks similar to the
Smoky Mountains where I'm at now. It's very beautiful, but
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a different kind of beauty. Mhm. Oh, cool.
That's great. I'm just thinking Blue Ridge Mountain, Shenandoah Valley River,
you know, John Denver and all that stuff. That's in
Denver though? No, John Denver, not, not Denver. I always
thought John Denver was from Denver, Colorado. I don't know,
maybe because of the Rocky Mountain High song. Maybe so,
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but he did sing about the Shenandoah and about the
Blue Ridge. Yeah, that's true. He was just a mountain man.
He didn't look like a mountain man, but I guess
he was.
All right, guys, give us a call 888-564-6173. Here's a
question that was sent in online. It's from Diana, and
Diana wants to know about Revelation 6. I forgot to
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turn there ahead of time, but I can easily find Revelation,
cause it's in the back. Revelation 6 talks about the
scrolls that were opened, and she wants to know what,
what does the third scroll mean?
The 3rd scroll, um, OK, the first scroll is the
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man on the, on the
On the white horse, yes, uh, the second scroll is
the Bible trivia for Pastor Brian, right? Yeah, what is
the second scroll, you know, the crazy thing is I
am actually reading Revelation in my morning reading, and so
I read that like. So the second scroll looks like
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it's the fiery red horse. Aha, yes, the 4 horsemen
of the apocalypse. Uh, the 2nd.
That's the 2nd horse. That's the 2nd 1. The 3rd
1 is the living creature that says come and see.
So I looked and behold, a black horse who sat
on it, had a pair of scales in his hand,
and I heard a voice in the midst of the
4 living creatures saying a quart of wheat for a
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Daenerus and 3 quarts of barley for a Daenerys and
do not harm the oil and the wine. So maybe,
so what's, what's the question? I don't know. So that's
what I'm trying to decipher. I don't know, maybe she
wants to know what the, the whole quart of wheat
for a Daenerys means or um.
The pair of scales and the black horse's hand, I
don't know. Read the question again.
In Revelation 6, it talks about the scrolls that were opened.
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What does the third one mean? OK, the seals that
are open. OK, right. OK, so the 3rd, yeah, I
looked and uh there before me was a black horse.
So this is um referring to the fact that there
will be a famine during this period of time.
And so, um, it's, it's interesting though, because it says, uh,
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22 pounds of wheat for a day's wages and 6
pounds of barley for a day's wages, and, and then
it says and do not damage the oil and the wine.
And so there's been some speculation that this will be
a time of famine.
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Um, but the rich will
Sort of still be.
Living in a bit of luxury, so the oil and
wine is, and again this is just speculation because we
don't know, it, it seemed some think it is a
reference to the, the distinction between sort of the, the
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rich and the poor during this period of time and the,
the experience that they have. All right, Diane, thank you
for sending in your question on the Kwave.com pastor's perspective page, Diana,
I should say.
And I will go to the phones at 888-564-6173. 0, look,
Bobby changed his background. Wow.
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Yes, yes, I did. I mean, the couch was nice
as long, as long as you're here, it doesn't matter
what the background looks like, but, but much better right now.
The fireplace looks good though. Yes, yeah, burning right now.
That that color is probably better. No, I could turn
it on, but I would, uh, I would probably roast
a little bit. Is it hot there or, uh, no,
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it's not hot, but it would be.
The, the temperature is warm in the house, so I
would need to kind of gear up for, for a
fireplace moment.
All right. We're just, you know, we're, we're just developing
this so, so our listeners can kind of get.
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A a vigil, a vigil, not a vigil, a visual,
a visual so they could have a vigil for you. Yes, well,
we'd hopefully they're not gonna have a vigil for me,
but unless you fall in the fireplace, that might, uh,
that wouldn't be good.
All right, 888-564-6173. You can get the actual visual if
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you're watching us on Facebook, YouTube, or Instagram right now
and see what Bobby is up to, what he's doing.
Back to the phones, or starting on the phones now,
I should say. What was that? I said save yourself
the time.
It's not pretty, folks. OK, to Claudio, we go in Whittier.
Thanks for calling 888-564-6173. How are you, Claudio? What's your
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question for us today?
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Hi, I'm good, thank you. My question actually has to
do with um I've been trying to reach OL to
share the good news with a coworker who never believed
in God, and he's always been difficult to talk to
about it. He hasn't been very open minded about it
and um recently this year I was able to actually
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have like a good 45 minute conversation with him, and
he seemed open and was listening and engaged.
and he at a point even seemed kind of emotional
and you know I was kind of like excited about that,
but the thought came across my mind and we didn't
get to that yet, but that was my question is I'm,
I was wondering if maybe he was emotional because of
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his father passing a year or two ago.
And then I kind of thought to myself, you know,
if he asked the question about, you know, well, what
about my dad, you know, he never accepted Jesus or
he didn't believe in God. Are you telling me he's,
you know, in hell right now? How could I best
answer that question if it does come up, if he does,
you know, cause he was really close to his dad,
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but they never believed they never went to church and
he just wasn't brought up that way.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yeah. Brian, what do you say to Claudia?
Claudio's co-worker. Yeah, I, I mean, you know, would he
bring that up maybe and, and if he did, that
would be obviously it'd be a a bit of a
challenge to know how to answer in a way that
is truthful, but
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Still
You know, gracious in some sense, you know, to not
just completely squirm away. Yeah, so I, I think.
Um, I think if that happened, I think, Claudia, the
first thing I would say is just in your heart,
just say, Lord help, Lord, you know, give me, give
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me wisdom and Jesus promised that he would, you know,
he talked about those occasions when we would be talking
to the apostles, you know, you're gonna be brought before
rulers and kings, and in that hour, don't
Worry about or don't even meditate on what you're gonna
say because the, the spirit of your father is gonna
give you that. And I think that in situations like that,
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that's kind of what we would lean into, you know, um, I,
I would say to that
You would
Now just to say this, I have been in that
situation before, so it's not like this is just, this
is not just theoretical. I've been in those situations more
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than once. Plus you've probably officiated like a memorial service.
I've done a lot of memorial services for for unbelievers,
and it's a little bit difficult though if the question
is just so direct, like, hey, where is my dad died,
he didn't go to church, he didn't know God. Where
is he? They usually don't ask you that at a funeral,
but you know.
Uh, but in a situation like that, I think that,
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you know, you would try to, try to go more
toward the gospel, God's mercy, um, you know, Jesus died
for everyone. He wants everybody to be with him. Um,
we don't.
You know, you don't have to say definitively, look, your
dad's
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Let let's just, you know, your dad's in hell. You
don't have to say that. Right. So I wouldn't advise
saying that. I don't think that is not how to
win friends and influence. Yeah, yeah. So I, I mean,
you know, you, I, I think in, I've said different
things at different times, you know, there are times when
I've said.
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Like the harder truth, like, well, look, you know, Jesus
made it clear that, you know, believing in him was
our guarantee into the kingdom. So if we didn't believe
in him, or if you're not sure that your loved
one believed in him, and, and sometimes I try to
bring it back around to that kind of a situation
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where we don't know.
Everything that transpired in the last minutes of a person's life.
We don't know that.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I was just thinking that that's that's awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
And so, and so we can kind of just go
with God loved your dad. Jesus died for your dad.
God desired your father to be saved and we don't
know what happened in in the last hours, minutes of
his life. So,
So we know that God's heart is to save sinners,
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so we're just gonna have to fall back into the
goodness of God and just know that God
Did the right thing because God always does the right thing.
How did your friend's father pass away?
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Um, you know, I don't recall. I, I was out
from work at that time on medical leave, but I
do believe that it might have been a heart condition.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Yeah, and maybe to.
You know, I think you said it was maybe a
year or two since this has happened. And maybe that's
not something that he is gonna bring up to you. And,
and it's funny because I think a lot of times
we do think and it does happen, but we do,
we do automatically think, oh no, they're gonna.
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You know, they're gonna be really bothered by what the
possibility that their parent isn't in heaven or their loved
one isn't in heaven. But you know, a lot of
times I, I have found a lot of times people
don't even go there, you know, they're, it, it's created
in them more of a what about me type of
a situation. Why, like, I need to wrestle with this myself,
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not necessarily like I need to wrestle with the fact
that I'm gonna die, but I need to wrestle with
the fact that
You know, I'm unhappy and my life is unfulfilled and
those kinds of things. So I think when, you know,
when a loved one does die, it, it triggers something
in people to get them to start thinking more deeply
about their own lives. Yeah, Bobby.
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Yeah, I think what you were saying at the end
is what I tend to try to say is we
don't know what somebody could have done in their final moments,
so I think that's a really good point.
And I would also say that, you know, look, I'm
sorry for your loss, and loss is a hard thing,
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but
And at the end of the day we all have
to make a personal decision.
And
I'm inviting you to believe that God is good.
And he's just, and if you believe that he's good,
and you believe that he's just, then you can trust.
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The eternity of your father into a good and just
God's hands, but ultimately.
You know, you could be in a position someday where
you pass away and your kids are asking that same
question about you and make it real clear by placing
your faith in Jesus right now.
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What do you think, Claudia?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
I think that's great, all of it, it, you know, it's.
You know, the whole Holy Spirit thinking about that and
asking God to help you in that moment and trusting
and relying on the Holy Spirit to help you say
the words that need to be said. It was funny
because I didn't think about it before, but it was
right before it was mentioned about we don't know what
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that person was going through in their last minute, what
their thoughts were or what their feelings were, what they saw,
what visions they saw that kind of came to mind
at that moment and then it was kind of like confirmation, right.
At that moment, that's why I was like, wow, yeah,
that's amazing. I think that's great. And then just right now, yeah,
that's a great thing to say is, you know, your
kids might be in that position one day and I
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love that.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Yeah.
Really good answers from Brian Broderson and Bobby Conway today
on Pastor's Perspective. Claudia, we thank you for calling in.
888-564-6173 is the number to call. We've got about 45
minutes left on the program. We would love to hear
from you. Grab an open line 888-564-6173. Let's go to Murrieta.
Here is Logan, who listens on FM 107.9 K wave.
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Hi there, Logan. How can we help you?
Yes, uh, how are you guys doing today? Uh, my
question is just, what are your guys' views on Jesus
Christ being referenced to, uh, the angel of the Lord
in the Old Testament, like when he visited Abraham and
when he wrestled with Jacob. Didn't we discuss this on
yesterday's program, Brian?
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Um, well, we discussed Melchizedek. We talked about Melchizedek, about, yeah,
Chrisophanes and everything.
Um,
Yeah, I I think it's absolutely the case, the
So the distinction is the angel of the Lord versus
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an angel of the Lord. Um, so most of the
time when it says the angel of the Lord, just
in the context itself, you see that it's the Lord. So,
two most notable places for that are uh Genesis 22
with the sacrifice of Isaac.
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And the Lord appearing to to um to Abraham and
speaking to him and, and of course it's clear it's
an angel, but it's clear that it's the Lord himself
who is speaking and so uh it is the case
with the Moses at the burning bush and you know,
there it's, it becomes clear too. Bobby, can you think
of any other.
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Well, I mean, you have like the encounter with Joshua, um,
but
I do think that that they that it's obviously a
divine figure.
And
You know, it doesn't come out in the New Testament
and say that Jesus.
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Was the angel of the Lord, like in adverse fashion, uh, so.
You know, you end up in a situation where if
you recognize that this is a divine encounter and you
can see by the reactions of, uh, you know, the
different individuals that encountered this particular angel. um I think
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even uh with uh Hannah, if I'm not mistaken, and Samuel,
that maybe the the angel Lord encountered her.
Uh, but all that to say, you're going to end
up in a position if you don't assign that to
Jesus or the Holy Spirit, uh, you know, some, if
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they try to do the Father, that might not be
as clear because, you know, the Father was revealed and
he revealed himself as kind of the primary spokesperson, so
to kind of take that nuance might be confusing.
Uh, and then the Holy Spirit seems to be the
role that that Jesus would send for kind of a
full ordeal. So then you end up in a situation where, OK,
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now instead of the Trinity, you got a, a, a quad,
a quadrinity, right? The Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit,
and the angel of the Lord is the fourth person
of the Godhead, and I don't think that would be
a good move given that, uh, I don't know anybody
that's ever held to that view.
But all that to say, it goes to show that
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there's some ambiguity with it, uh, with what's going on,
and I'm comfortable with just recognizing that that God appeared
in the form of an angel, and I think that
it makes sense that it's Jesus, but if I got
to heaven and found out that, well, this was, you know, the,
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the Father doing something or the Spirit doing something.
It's not going to work me up because I know
it was just the Lord that appeared and that's what
matters at the end of the day.
What do you think, Logan?
No, that's a great question. I just, you know, I
just don't the hypothetical of that sometimes. I go to
Vanguard school, so I've been a Christian for a long time,
and that's just one of the questions I wanted to
ask you guys for a long time. Awesome. Well, thank
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you for calling in.
888-564-6173 is the number you can call to ask those
questions that you've had for a long time, or maybe
you just thought of it this morning. 888-564-6173. Let's go
to Facebook to answer a question sent in. This one
is from Cathy and Paul. They want to know, does
God command or recommend that we take a day off
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during the week? Bobby, what do you say?
Well, I definitely think it's good to take a day off,
but if they're asking is the Sabbath still a command
as it was in the Old Testament of the 10 Commandments,
that's the one commandment that we don't see repeated effect.
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What we're told is, you know, that there is no
particular day that we need to call more holy than another. Now,
I don't think that
Given the fact that they were in that cycle of Sabbath,
that they would have all of a sudden said, oh, OK,
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now let's just start working 7 days a week. Uh,
you know, some might have and some obviously eventually did,
but I think that the whole idea of rest, uh,
is a good thing and we should try to find
a day in our week that we can just shut
down from work.
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And in the spiritual community that was practiced in Judaism
was on Saturday, and the church began to worship on
Sunday because that's the day that Jesus rose from the
grave and so ideally if people can have a Sabbath
on Sunday, that's wonderful, um, but
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I, I don't think it means either that you just
got to, you know, pray all day or read your
Bible all day. I think it's just more of a
recharge day and, you know, that would include some spiritual
development and family time and maybe a hobby, and then
you get back to work and hopefully, you know, you're,
you're ready to roll again.
(23:36):
A hobby like uh taking on a new YouTube channel. Bobby,
tell us about that. Yes, yeah. So my new channel
is called The Graphite Apologist, and that is basically a
channel where I'm gonna be doing 62nd shorts of different
apologists throughout church history and answering apologetic arguments.
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A for the existence of God in the form of
art and so like,
I've been working on this today, and so this will
be a video and basically the question I'm going to
be answering is what is a worldview. We all have
a worldview of how we see the world and you'll
see a picture that I drew like that up in
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the mountains come together in 60 seconds, and I'll explain
what a worldview is and how it can be fruitful
in your own life. And so that's one way I'll
be dealing with stuff like that.
I'd love people to subscribe to the graphite apologist on YouTube.
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Go subscribe now. I'd love to have you on the channel.
So how long, how long did it take you to
do that piece right there?
That is about 15 hours before I stopped in
I, I
Wasn't completely satisfied, but I had to turn it off
because I, I'm OCD and like I literally sit down
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earlier and sometimes I sit for like 7 hours and
I don't even get up. I just tweak. Yeah, I
was going to ask you if that's 15 hours straight
or 15 hours over 3 days. What? Yeah, a couple days,
but like if I wanted to, I could take that
even for another 5, 10 hours and make it.
Even more hyperrealistic, but I just feel like I got
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to stop right now because I'm tweaking. So what, so
just like on the, on the, you know, kind of
the video side of it.
So are you recording the whole time you're you're doing it?
Yes, so this is the, the setup that I brought
here and you can see I've got.
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A camera and then this is a light right here
and this camera is in time lapse and so it
takes a picture every 4 seconds and then Tim, the
executive producer, I sent him the footage and then he'll
edit all of that 15 hours of video work into
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a 62nd video and then I'll do a voiceover.
To match it and I really hope to get better
at it like I realized like.
Just some of the things I can do differently with
the camera like go in and focus on the eye
or so I'm going to be really learning how to
take it, but hopefully people will be patient with me
and grow with me. I've only been doing it at
a year and a half, and I think that I'll
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just keep tweaking and figuring this thing out. That's wild.
That's I love, I love the, um, I love the
video that, you know.
The just to watch the process in a minute is
pretty fascinating to see that.
Yeah, isn't it cool? And you know that's the payoff
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that you're getting right now is people love to watch that,
and I think there's a unique factor and a lot
of times what you're seeing with these art videos is
you're just watching the art, right? But I think so
cool is is if people don't watch Apologetics, I hope
this will be a channel for people that
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That will literally crack this door open and look at
it and then on Shopify I'm taking my pieces and
turning all my so I'm basically going to be designing
my own clothes so that like pictures I'm going to
put that on a t-shirt with those glasses or I'm
going to have all these on t-shirts and prints and
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uh so but.
And, and, and I'm trying to design it where somebody
could look at that shirt. They might not know it's
about worldview, but if I make it cool, they might
wear it, and that's fine. Yeah, and that sparks the conversation.
People might say, oh, cool shirt, what does that mean?
Yes, that's what I, that's, that's what I hope, like
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creating some, you know, some t-shirts that people could actually
wear that isn't even using verses or anything. It's just
an image and then people like I did a Jesus
Superman and I had him coming out of the grave
in a Superman outfit and you know, someone who's wearing that,
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it just provides a conversation for people.
How cool. So check that out on YouTube. It's called
the Graphite Apologist with Bobby Conway, Graphite is spelled G
R A P H I T E, graphite.
The graphite topologist with Bobby Conway, and you can be
one of the 1st 150 subscribers. He's already up to 130. So, uh,
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let's double that today. Yeah, let's do that. 888-564-6173 is
our number that you can call to talk to the
graphite topologist, better known as author and apologist, Pastor Bobby Conway.
From Image Church in Charlotte, North Carolina, Brian Broderson's here
in the studio with me, and we're gonna be here
till 4 o'clock to answer the questions you have about
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the Bible, the Christian faith, just about anything that's on
your mind. We would love to hear from you at 888-564-6173.
You can also send in your questions online using the
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here live like today till 4 at 888-564-6173. We'll be
back in a bit.
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We're back on Pastor's Perspective. I'm Brian Perez. 888-564-6173 is
the number to call. We've got Brian Broderson and Bobby
Conway here to answer your questions today at 888-564-6173. And Bobby,
did you plan this? Because during the break, I happened
look down on my phone, and I got a notification
from YouTube from the graphite Topologist with Bobby Conway drawing
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Alan Parr from the beat. That just came up right now.
It was so funny that during the break, I just
looked down and there it is. So you must have
just released that one. I don't know how that works,
but that was kind of cool.
That is cool. How about that? Sis listening to you.
Oh, she does that. That's for sure. But, uh, how cool.
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So now I can prove that I'm one of your subscribers, Bobby.
And I love that. Yes. All right. 888-564-6173 is our number.
Where did Manuel go? I don't know. So, uh, let's
go to Richard in Costa Mesa. Richard, what is your
question for us today? Thanks for calling in at 888-564-6173.
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Hi, um, so I was curious, um, about two different
kinds of teaching, I guess I would call it in
the Bible. Uh, one is, you know, the lady said
topical and the other one is through the Bible.
And I guess what I'm, I'm asking is, the Bible
say anything about those different types and I guess maybe,
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so did Jesus or the disciples or maybe in the
Old Testament when they were teaching, did they, did they
teach topical or did they teach through the Bible? And
um is there any like records during the time of Jesus?
Like if they went to the synagogue on Sun on Saturday?
Did, did they do a particular type?
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Hm, what do you think, Brian? Not that you lived
back in that day. Yeah. Well, the, the synagogue, uh,
to this very day actually has a weekly text of reading, um,
you know, there's a reading in the synagogue. Remember in
Luke's Gospel, Jesus, he's given um the text to read
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on that particular Sabbath day, and it was
The prophetic text about himself coming from Isaiah 61. And so,
you know, he reads it and then he says today,
this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing. So, so anyway,
that practice still goes on today where there is a
reading of a text and then there would be some,
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you know, in a Jewish context, there would be some
sort of application of that.
And um.
Think of, think of the Sermon on the Mount, if
you're familiar with the Sermon on the Mount, which is
Matthew chapter 5 through chapter 7, and it's called the
Sermon on the Mount because Jesus was there with his
disciples on a mountainside. He sat down and he began
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to teach them. It says, so it's gotten the, you know,
the sermon on the mount.
Name tagged on to it. Um, but that's a bit
of a topical teaching, you know, Jesus is going through
different topics, if you will. He's he's addressing different, um,
aspects of, of faith and of, um, you know, the
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kingdom really describing what the kingdom and the, uh, those
who are members of the kingdom describing their character and
exerting about certain behaviors and and things like that.
And so, um,
You know, we read in, uh, I'm just thinking about
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Ezra or Nehemiah where it talks about, uh, how Ezra
the scribe, he, he read the text and he gave
the understanding to the people. So, you know, he reads,
he reads verses and then he gives uh application or
exegesis uh exposition.
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Of it, but there's no, uh, there's there's no place
in the Bible where it says.
Here, this is a topical sermon. This is, uh, you know,
an exposition to exposite or to exegate means to, you know,
to kind of just bring out the meaning, that's the idea.
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So that's what you want to do with the text,
whether you do uh whether you do it topically by
taking a certain topic. Let's just say the topic of justification.
So you wanna, you wanna talk about justification. You're going
to use several passages, but your, your main topic is justification, um,
or you could teach on justification by teaching uh Romans
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chapter 3, and in the the context of Romans 3,
going through, you're gonna, you're gonna be able to give
an an exposition of what justification is, so.
Bobby.
Yeah, that's good. So when it comes to preaching, uh,
there is different types. There is expository and topical like
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Pastor Brian just mentioned.
And there's textual preaching. Charles Spurgeon was
You know, probably the most famous textual preacher, and that's
where you just take a text like that maybe more
like a verse or a line of a verse and
you unpack that expository preaching, you're taking more of a
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a unit or what's referred to in seminary as a pericopy. Uh, you, uh,
you have even in church history, somebody like
Um, John Calvin was
An expository preacher of the word. When you look in
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the New Testament, there's a lot of textual type teaching
where they'll take this phrase from the Old Testament and
then they'll make an application through their teaching with it,
but there's no one perfect way of preaching.
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I do think that there is a best way though, um,
and the best way and the most consistent way is
expository preaching.
But there are times, for example, if you're going to
do a study on doctrine and you're gonna teach on
the Trinity, well, that's gonna be a topical teaching series.
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And if the church feels like the only way to
teach is expository teaching, well, then you're gonna have a
hard time teaching a systematic theology. You would do that
through a topical approach.
Another approach to teaching that some have used has been
like allegorical teaching, but I don't think that that is
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a wise way to get at things because you end
up doing more isoesis than exegesis. So all that to
say is the question that we want to answer is
what's the best way to learn the Bible.
Well, I think that
It uses all these approaches minus an allegorical because you
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want to do different types of theories on topics or
you might want to do a text, but I think
topical and expository, leveraging those in particular, but probably about 80%
of the time you want to be moving through passages,
and that's my opinion, but it's because I think it
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does a number of things. Number one,
Ah, an effective expository teacher.
We'll be teaching people how to study the Bible by
the way that they teach. Like, in other words, you'll
pick up on how to study the Bible because an
expository teacher is like a tour guide taking you on
a journey through a particular passage and unpacking it and
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pointing out things and making observations and and a good
Bible teacher will
will teach in such a way that you'll find that
you observe more closely when you're reading the Bible. The
other thing it does is it keeps the pastor accountable.
I can see in a church where somebody just dances
around on topics all the time, in particular felt need topics,
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but they never really show their doctrinal cards or some
of the hard moral issue cards, and
You know, when you're working through a book and you know, hey,
I'm going to have to address homosexuality when I hit
this passage, well, you're going to have to show your cards,
but if you just conveniently never teach that way, well,
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you end up kind of being a bit ambiguous. Not
only that, if you just teach topically, uh, people can
begin to look at the Bible as sort of a
self-help book.
Uh, where they turn, they look to God as someone
who is just kind of there to meet their, their,
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their needs, and that can be dangerous. Now, in a,
a biblical biblically sound topical preacher that really cares about
theology would not just do felt need series but even
some theological series like a series on repentance or a
series on.
Justification or sanctification, some of these different topics, but there's
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different approaches, but I wish more pastors were committed to
the process of expository preaching.
Does this help you, Richard?
Yeah, that, I think what Bobby just said right now
is really what I was getting at. I, I've been
a Christian for about 40 years, and I just feel
sometimes like the church that I go to, they're, you know, they,
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like Bobby said, they don't talk about the tough issues
because uh they just jump around on what he felt, uh,
something felt, you know, and, um, I feel like I'm
missing out. And obviously, the other people are missing, you know,
the other people are missing out too because
You know, maybe pastors, it's easier or maybe they feel like,
I don't wanna upset anybody or I don't want to
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teach something that's boring, but this part of the scripture
that I'm going through is, is boring. So, you know,
is it really boring because it's not, it's God's word. Well, Richard,
it says here you live in Costa Mesa, and we
know of a great church that you can go to,
Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa. I might be a little bit biased. Uh, Brian?
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Well, I don't think you would agree, right, so, but um.
Yeah, and I think, you know, like you were saying, Bobby,
with expository teaching and preaching is that is the way
to to do it. I mean, you know, these, God
had these things written down.
So we can study them, meditate on them, learn from them,
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understand them, apply them. So when you take something that
God has written, say just like one of the epistles,
for example, you know, Paul wrote one, or Peter or whoever, but,
but it's inspired by the spirit. Now, on occasion you
can pull out one verse and you can build a
great message around that one verse. That's and, you know,
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sometimes that's very appropriate and that's the way to do it.
Um, but, you know, it's, there's a context to it.
And it's meant to be understood in the context, so
you need to teach it in context. And I think
that's what happens a lot of times is, uh, you know,
people are pulling things that might make great sermons, but
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when you look at the actual context of the statement,
you go, oh, it it didn't quite mean what I
preached on, but it, but it was a good springboard
into it, you know, so I think.
Um, and, and, you know, you could even do that,
but just make sure you put it in the context
as well. Say, hey, you know, today I'm gonna look
at it from this point of view, but the context
is actually this, um, but then, like you, I think
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you're saying too, Bobby, the, the beauty of expository, you know,
going through books of the Bible, is that you're forced
to teach stuff that you, uh, would maybe not necessarily
gravitate toward.
And that's good and that's necessary, because everybody, you know,
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people kind of get their sort of pet peeves, you know,
this is, this is the area I want to talk
about this all the time. And so they can end
up just talking about the same thing all the time,
uh just using a different passage of scripture to do it. Um,
this forces you to do.
What you maybe would not want to do. You would,
you would tend to avoid it, but hey, it's right
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here in the text, so what am I gonna say?
And I can think of so many times for me,
in my experience where, you know, that text that you
were kind of like, oh gosh, I got to preach
on this, and then you discover that while this text
was so relevant to the moment, because there was some
person there that this text.
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Transform their life, you know, you're like, wow, I wouldn't
have chosen to preach on this text, but I did,
and this is what happened, you know, Bobby.
That's exactly right. I mean, you get into this idea of, oh,
this isn't going to seem relevant, and you can feel
that when you're working through. Like I remember when I
taught through Sons of God and Daughters of Men in
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Genesis 66, and I found myself thinking, what in the
world am I going to do with this? And this
is so bizarre. And so, um.
I, I have a lot of feelings about like how
relevant given all the chapters of the Bible is this
passage that I'm teaching through Genesis.
And um I had somebody say to me, well, why
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don't you just share what you're feeling um about this?
And so I, my introduction was like this, um, have
you ever read the Bible and you found yourself scratching
your head and thinking, this is so bizarre. Well, that
was me this week in my study.
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But let me show you how I came to see
that this passage is, yes, bizarre but true, and I
think I titled my message bizarre but true, and I
had everybody on ready to listen because they could relate.
So one of the things I think that we have
to do as expository preachers is when we come to
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a passage that is bizarre or it doesn't seem relevant.
We need to spend extra time raising the the why
and the need and, and, and, and showing them. So
for example, some pastors want to skip hard passages of
the Bible because they don't want to offend people or whatever,
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and you want to take some time to be able
to say, did you know that Jesus said things that
were sometimes offensive?
And why did he do that? Because he wanted us
to understand the truth about himself and about ourselves, and
those have to go together and
We're gonna look at a passage today that might be
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hard for you to digest and just saying things like that. Well,
I remember the story of Nella that I told you
guys about. I was teaching through 1 Corinthians and got
the head coverings in 1 Corinthians 11.
And I, I felt, what I, what is this going
to mean to the flock this and wear a hat
or wear a covering or not wear a covering? Like,
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wouldn't it just be better to get the spiritual gifts
and in chapter 12? So I, I, I just thought,
you know what, I'm, I'm working through the text. I'm
not going to skip it. I'm gonna teach this. And
so I ended up titling my message hats off. Well, I, I,
I also opened up with sharing.
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My feelings about, you know, some passages don't always seem
as relevant as others, and
And why would we look at it? Well, cause it's
important to understand all of God's word.
And even if it doesn't seem relevant to the moment,
we want to know His word, and that's part of
being a good disciple. We don't approach church just because,
you know, it's gonna always seem relevant. And so then
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I start teaching, and then, and then this lady comes
up to me afterwards. Her name was Nella, and she
was coming out of Islam. She was in a polygamous marriage.
She lived in Saudi Arabia, and she said, I was
going to work out at the gym, but the gym
wasn't open until noon, and I heard worship.
And I came in because I've been seeking, you know, God,
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I've come out of Islam, and she said, and I
heard your message.
On hats off and she says I was weeping in
the back because as a Muslim in Saudi Arabia I
was veiled for so many years and she says to me,
this was exactly what I needed to hear today and
I thought, boy, I was worried about this message seeming
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irrelevant to the church and then God brings a nonbeliever
in and
The next week she came back again and gave her
life to Christ, and she's still totally engaged in our church,
and she's just started her own YouTube channel and so
this is beautiful, total conversion and her and her testimony is, yeah,
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she heard a sermon called hats off on head coverings
and then that was it.
Wow, I love that. I mean, you know, these, these
are the things that we, uh, you know, we preachers, we,
we have this, this privilege of having these kinds of
experiences where, uh, you know, you'll even sometimes you'll be,
you'll be preaching, you'll have your outline, you'll, you'll know
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where you're going, and then you just, you kind of
go off on a
Like, uh, um, or you know, maybe you call it
like you go down a rabbit hole or something, you know,
you go somewhere that you did not even intend to go.
The thought never even crossed your mind to go there
as you were, you know, preparing or even getting up
and preaching, and then you go there, and then you
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come up out of the rabbit hole and resume.
And then somebody comes up to you at the end
and says, you know, I came to church today. This
is the first time I've been to church in 30
years and you know that one thing you said, and
it's the rabbit hole that you went down that they said,
that's my life. You described me, you're like, well, listen,
God's speaking to you because.
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If I could show you my notes, you would know
they're not in my notes. I had no intention to
go there. I never even thought about going there until
the moment, and it was the very thing, and that's
the beauty of that's prophetic preaching, you know, that's what,
that's what prophecy is in the context of preaching right there.
I love it. Yeah, that's such a good point, and
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I'll tell you, when I think about like uh
This kind of teaching, it's the kind of teaching that
if you ever sit under an effective expository preacher, it,
it's almost like most people can't feel settled.
In their next church until they find that kind of
teaching again, they'll always feel like they're living off of
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a just a bad diet and of all the things
that I think in the ministry, even more than apologetics,
what I love more than anything is being a Bible teacher.
That is the thing that fires me up.
More than anything. Yes, amen. And I am gonna teach
the Bible on Sunday night this week. Good segue. Yes, yes,
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and we're back because we took one break. Or any
prospective radio students who might be listening or watching right now,
that's called a segue. When you talk about one thing
and you kind of morph it into another. That was good.
So we took a week off because of Easter, but
we are back with Back to Basics Live this Sunday night.
And I'm super excited because we're going through the Book
of Acts, and I love Acts anyway, but we're in
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Chapter 8, and chapter 8 is so thrilling. It's um
the story, the, the, the main part of the story
is um the, the gospel going to Samaria and what
happens in Samaria, and then you have Simon this
Uh, you know, sorcerer who seduced the people, but he
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hears the preaching and sees the power of the gospel
through Philip and he believes in Jesus. Peter and John
come down and, you know, all kinds of things, but
then the, the Ethiopian, um, eunuch, which, which meant that
he was a, uh, he was a government official of
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from Ethiopia.
And he's visits Jerusalem, he's on his way back, and
it's that amazing encounter with Phillip in the desert and
um yeah, I can't wait for Sunday night. Yeah. Yeah.
And hey, I just want to say I, I just
noticed on my channel that I got a 35.
Uh, subscribers that just subscribed, and I just want to
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say thank you that's super cool because today is one
week from when I launched and it doesn't sound like
a whole lot 165, but if you can get, you know,
between 1 and 200 in the first week, that's actually
a really good.
Kick off to the channel that's great and hope that
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the momentum can build and so I just want to
say thank you for that. And you know, the big
thing too is even more than subscribers is I had
85,000 subscribers on my other channel, but I ended up
out of the algorithm several years ago and so I
was only seeing like 1500 views or so on the videos. Well,
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that is a real poor ratio for that many subscribers.
And so what's crazy is now with the 150 subscribers
I've been seeing, you know, on a few of the
videos like 1500 views. So that's kind of the thing
that you want to see when you're, when you're, when
you're growing it because if you're, if you're, if you
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want the channel to take off.
You know, I just never paid any attention to these
algorithms and stuff. It just, I hate all the analytics
and stuff like that. It's just not my forte, but
I've been told you got to really pay attention to
some of that stuff. And so I was like I've
got to kind of maybe bury the other channel because
1500 views and 85,000 subscribers. Basically what that's saying is
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many of those people left you long ago.
Or they're robots. So, so Bobby Bryant building a relationship
with this audience too. I'm gonna be interacting. I didn't
really interact well on the other one. I really look
forward to talking to people about this. Well Brian, well, Brian,
Brian pulled up, um, the hats off message and so we're,
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we're watching it, but at one point you were doing
like a Karate Kid move. I don't know what was
going on there. You were sort of in the praying
mantis mode, you know.
Daniel La Russo about to give a big kick to
Johnny right in the chin. I don't know what that
was about. Well, you know, when you're coming to a
passage and you're desperate, you need to even use some humor. Just,
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you gotta, you gotta come up with some creative ways
and you got to kind of go Daniel's son on
them or Mr. Magi. That was a full on Daniel's son, yes.
Yes, if you want to find this hats off message,
there it is, yes. Did I miss it? I was
looking away. But yeah, yeah, look, look, there you are.
Can you see it on the screen there? Oh no,
you don't have access to my screen today. Yeah, about
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4 minutes in, you, you did it. So yeah, if
you want to find this hats off message that Pastor
Bobby gave last year at Image Church in Charlotte, North Carolina,
go to his website. It's imagechurch.
live. From there you click on watch, and then you'll,
you can see all of Bobby's messages from the past
few years, and you can either scroll down by date,
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which would be January 16th of 2024. This is the
full on wax on, wax off. You're doing the whole
yagi thing. Well, he called it hats off, so I
guess he's kind of doing a play on hats off,
whacked off. I don't know. I just know, I just
know when I saw Karate Kid in 7th or 8th grade.
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You know, I looked like the stupidest looking move, but
I thought, oh that is so cool. And so I
was like, I want to go out and get in
a fight. And so after the movie I went out
looking to get in a fight and I just remember
I think I got beat up too, you know.
Uh, and somebody listening right now is thinking, wait a minute,
I remember beating some guy up after watching that movie.
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I wonder if it was Bobby. Who knows? Right? Anyway,
so go ahead, go subscribe to the, uh, Graphite Apologist
YouTube channel, and, uh, yeah, Bobby just got like 35
new subscribers since the start of the show. It shows
the power of radio advertising. Bobby will send you the
bill later, so, uh, you know, that's how it works.
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All right. God bless you guys. Sorry if we're gonna
get to your call today, but we'll be back tomorrow
between 3 and 4 p.m. So call us then and
if you want to watch any of today's episode again,
you can go to our, uh, YouTube channel or Facebook page.
We archive there also on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. For
Brian Broderson and Bobby Conway, the graphite topologist, I'm Brian
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Perez and we'll talk to you next time here on
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Here to answer your questions today, we've got Pastor Brian Broderson.
How are you, sir? Thank you for joining me in
studio today.
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Well, I'm, yes, think I'm glad to be here. Thank you.
And uh I just looked up and saw the great doctor, Doctor.
He made it. Yes, he broke through the, the resistance,
whatever that was. He's in a secret underground location or something.
I don't know what that. Well, I'm in the mountains
right now, and I forgot to bring my charger for
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my laptop. And so my my my laptop's about to die.
And so I'm over here.
Working to figure out how to connect with you guys
through my phone. So if you lose me for a second,
know that I plan to be back up shortly. So
are you on your phone right now?
You're on your laptop. What's gonna die? OK, yeah. All right.
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Are you in the Smoky Mountains?
Um,
I am in the Blue Ridge Blue Ridge Mountains, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's beautiful here. um, and once
I get myself settled, I'll figure out a better background
and stuff, but right now, yeah, we, that was the
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next question we were gonna ask. Are you gonna be
able to.
You look like you're kind of in an earthquake too,
you know, you're kind of just keep going from side
to side.
Oh man, I know, right? Jeez. So, what, like what
are you doing in the mountains? You just hanging out?
Yeah, we have some friends, so we got away. They
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got a cabin up here and we just came out
to hang out with some friends of ours for a
few nights. So compare the Blue Ridge Mountains to, say,
the local San Bernardino Mountains and then to the Sierras.
Well,
I mean, it's a different kind of tree, you know,
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like they're not as tall and um the mountains aren't
as like majestic, but it's very lush. Uh, it, it,
you know, the, the leaves change, uh, you know, in,
in the spring and the foliage is spectacular. Like, I
don't know if you've ever seen those pictures of the
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Billy Graham.
Uh, cove up in the Blue Ridge Mountains and it
just pops and so the Blue Ridge Mountains bump into
the Smoky Mountains, uh, and so they're very similar, uh, in,
in their vibe like it, it looks similar to the
Smoky Mountains where I'm at now. It's very beautiful, but
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a different kind of beauty. Mhm. Oh, cool.
That's great. I'm just thinking Blue Ridge Mountain, Shenandoah Valley River,
you know, John Denver and all that stuff. That's in
Denver though? No, John Denver, not, not Denver. I always
thought John Denver was from Denver, Colorado. I don't know,
maybe because of the Rocky Mountain High song. Maybe so,
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but he did sing about the Shenandoah and about the
Blue Ridge. Yeah, that's true. He was just a mountain man.
He didn't look like a mountain man, but I guess
he was.
All right, guys, give us a call 888-564-6173. Here's a
question that was sent in online. It's from Diana, and
Diana wants to know about Revelation 6. I forgot to
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turn there ahead of time, but I can easily find Revelation,
cause it's in the back. Revelation 6 talks about the
scrolls that were opened, and she wants to know what,
what does the third scroll mean?
The 3rd scroll, um, OK, the first scroll is the
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man on the, on the
On the white horse, yes, uh, the second scroll is
the Bible trivia for Pastor Brian, right? Yeah, what is
the second scroll, you know, the crazy thing is I
am actually reading Revelation in my morning reading, and so
I read that like. So the second scroll looks like
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it's the fiery red horse. Aha, yes, the 4 horsemen
of the apocalypse. Uh, the 2nd.
That's the 2nd horse. That's the 2nd 1. The 3rd
1 is the living creature that says come and see.
So I looked and behold, a black horse who sat
on it, had a pair of scales in his hand,
and I heard a voice in the midst of the
4 living creatures saying a quart of wheat for a
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Daenerus and 3 quarts of barley for a Daenerys and
do not harm the oil and the wine. So maybe,
so what's, what's the question? I don't know. So that's
what I'm trying to decipher. I don't know, maybe she
wants to know what the, the whole quart of wheat
for a Daenerys means or um.
The pair of scales and the black horse's hand, I
don't know. Read the question again.
In Revelation 6, it talks about the scrolls that were opened.
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What does the third one mean? OK, the seals that
are open. OK, right. OK, so the 3rd, yeah, I
looked and uh there before me was a black horse.
So this is um referring to the fact that there
will be a famine during this period of time.
And so, um, it's, it's interesting though, because it says, uh,
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22 pounds of wheat for a day's wages and 6
pounds of barley for a day's wages, and, and then
it says and do not damage the oil and the wine.
And so there's been some speculation that this will be
a time of famine.
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Um, but the rich will
Sort of still be.
Living in a bit of luxury, so the oil and
wine is, and again this is just speculation because we
don't know, it, it seemed some think it is a
reference to the, the distinction between sort of the, the
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rich and the poor during this period of time and the,
the experience that they have. All right, Diane, thank you
for sending in your question on the Kwave.com pastor's perspective page, Diana,
I should say.
And I will go to the phones at 888-564-6173. 0, look,
Bobby changed his background. Wow.
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Yes, yes, I did. I mean, the couch was nice
as long, as long as you're here, it doesn't matter
what the background looks like, but, but much better right now.
The fireplace looks good though. Yes, yeah, burning right now.
That that color is probably better. No, I could turn
it on, but I would, uh, I would probably roast
a little bit. Is it hot there or, uh, no,
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it's not hot, but it would be.
The, the temperature is warm in the house, so I
would need to kind of gear up for, for a
fireplace moment.
All right. We're just, you know, we're, we're just developing
this so, so our listeners can kind of get.
(08:18):
A a vigil, a vigil, not a vigil, a visual,
a visual so they could have a vigil for you. Yes, well,
we'd hopefully they're not gonna have a vigil for me,
but unless you fall in the fireplace, that might, uh,
that wouldn't be good.
All right, 888-564-6173. You can get the actual visual if
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Back to the phones, or starting on the phones now,
I should say. What was that? I said save yourself
the time.
It's not pretty, folks. OK, to Claudio, we go in Whittier.
Thanks for calling 888-564-6173. How are you, Claudio? What's your
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question for us today?
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Hi, I'm good, thank you. My question actually has to
do with um I've been trying to reach OL to
share the good news with a coworker who never believed
in God, and he's always been difficult to talk to
about it. He hasn't been very open minded about it
and um recently this year I was able to actually
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have like a good 45 minute conversation with him, and
he seemed open and was listening and engaged.
and he at a point even seemed kind of emotional
and you know I was kind of like excited about that,
but the thought came across my mind and we didn't
get to that yet, but that was my question is I'm,
I was wondering if maybe he was emotional because of
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his father passing a year or two ago.
And then I kind of thought to myself, you know,
if he asked the question about, you know, well, what
about my dad, you know, he never accepted Jesus or
he didn't believe in God. Are you telling me he's,
you know, in hell right now? How could I best
answer that question if it does come up, if he does,
you know, cause he was really close to his dad,
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but they never believed they never went to church and
he just wasn't brought up that way.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yeah. Brian, what do you say to Claudia?
Claudio's co-worker. Yeah, I, I mean, you know, would he
bring that up maybe and, and if he did, that
would be obviously it'd be a a bit of a
challenge to know how to answer in a way that
is truthful, but
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Still
You know, gracious in some sense, you know, to not
just completely squirm away. Yeah, so I, I think.
Um, I think if that happened, I think, Claudia, the
first thing I would say is just in your heart,
just say, Lord help, Lord, you know, give me, give
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me wisdom and Jesus promised that he would, you know,
he talked about those occasions when we would be talking
to the apostles, you know, you're gonna be brought before
rulers and kings, and in that hour, don't
Worry about or don't even meditate on what you're gonna
say because the, the spirit of your father is gonna
give you that. And I think that in situations like that,
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that's kind of what we would lean into, you know, um, I,
I would say to that
You would
Now just to say this, I have been in that
situation before, so it's not like this is just, this
is not just theoretical. I've been in those situations more
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than once. Plus you've probably officiated like a memorial service.
I've done a lot of memorial services for for unbelievers,
and it's a little bit difficult though if the question
is just so direct, like, hey, where is my dad died,
he didn't go to church, he didn't know God. Where
is he? They usually don't ask you that at a funeral,
but you know.
Uh, but in a situation like that, I think that,
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you know, you would try to, try to go more
toward the gospel, God's mercy, um, you know, Jesus died
for everyone. He wants everybody to be with him. Um,
we don't.
You know, you don't have to say definitively, look, your
dad's
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Let let's just, you know, your dad's in hell. You
don't have to say that. Right. So I wouldn't advise
saying that. I don't think that is not how to
win friends and influence. Yeah, yeah. So I, I mean,
you know, you, I, I think in, I've said different
things at different times, you know, there are times when
I've said.
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Like the harder truth, like, well, look, you know, Jesus
made it clear that, you know, believing in him was
our guarantee into the kingdom. So if we didn't believe
in him, or if you're not sure that your loved
one believed in him, and, and sometimes I try to
bring it back around to that kind of a situation
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where we don't know.
Everything that transpired in the last minutes of a person's life.
We don't know that.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I was just thinking that that's that's awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
And so, and so we can kind of just go
with God loved your dad. Jesus died for your dad.
God desired your father to be saved and we don't
know what happened in in the last hours, minutes of
his life. So,
So we know that God's heart is to save sinners,
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so we're just gonna have to fall back into the
goodness of God and just know that God
Did the right thing because God always does the right thing.
How did your friend's father pass away?
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Um, you know, I don't recall. I, I was out
from work at that time on medical leave, but I
do believe that it might have been a heart condition.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Yeah, and maybe to.
You know, I think you said it was maybe a
year or two since this has happened. And maybe that's
not something that he is gonna bring up to you. And,
and it's funny because I think a lot of times
we do think and it does happen, but we do,
we do automatically think, oh no, they're gonna.
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You know, they're gonna be really bothered by what the
possibility that their parent isn't in heaven or their loved
one isn't in heaven. But you know, a lot of
times I, I have found a lot of times people
don't even go there, you know, they're, it, it's created
in them more of a what about me type of
a situation. Why, like, I need to wrestle with this myself,
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not necessarily like I need to wrestle with the fact
that I'm gonna die, but I need to wrestle with
the fact that
You know, I'm unhappy and my life is unfulfilled and
those kinds of things. So I think when, you know,
when a loved one does die, it, it triggers something
in people to get them to start thinking more deeply
about their own lives. Yeah, Bobby.
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Yeah, I think what you were saying at the end
is what I tend to try to say is we
don't know what somebody could have done in their final moments,
so I think that's a really good point.
And I would also say that, you know, look, I'm
sorry for your loss, and loss is a hard thing,
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but
And at the end of the day we all have
to make a personal decision.
And
I'm inviting you to believe that God is good.
And he's just, and if you believe that he's good,
and you believe that he's just, then you can trust.
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The eternity of your father into a good and just
God's hands, but ultimately.
You know, you could be in a position someday where
you pass away and your kids are asking that same
question about you and make it real clear by placing
your faith in Jesus right now.
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What do you think, Claudia?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
I think that's great, all of it, it, you know, it's.
You know, the whole Holy Spirit thinking about that and
asking God to help you in that moment and trusting
and relying on the Holy Spirit to help you say
the words that need to be said. It was funny
because I didn't think about it before, but it was
right before it was mentioned about we don't know what
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that person was going through in their last minute, what
their thoughts were or what their feelings were, what they saw,
what visions they saw that kind of came to mind
at that moment and then it was kind of like confirmation, right.
At that moment, that's why I was like, wow, yeah,
that's amazing. I think that's great. And then just right now, yeah,
that's a great thing to say is, you know, your
kids might be in that position one day and I
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love that.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Yeah.
Really good answers from Brian Broderson and Bobby Conway today
on Pastor's Perspective. Claudia, we thank you for calling in.
888-564-6173 is the number to call. We've got about 45
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Here is Logan, who listens on FM 107.9 K wave.
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Hi there, Logan. How can we help you?
Yes, uh, how are you guys doing today? Uh, my
question is just, what are your guys' views on Jesus
Christ being referenced to, uh, the angel of the Lord
in the Old Testament, like when he visited Abraham and
when he wrestled with Jacob. Didn't we discuss this on
yesterday's program, Brian?
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Um, well, we discussed Melchizedek. We talked about Melchizedek, about, yeah,
Chrisophanes and everything.
Um,
Yeah, I I think it's absolutely the case, the
So the distinction is the angel of the Lord versus
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an angel of the Lord. Um, so most of the
time when it says the angel of the Lord, just
in the context itself, you see that it's the Lord. So,
two most notable places for that are uh Genesis 22
with the sacrifice of Isaac.
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And the Lord appearing to to um to Abraham and
speaking to him and, and of course it's clear it's
an angel, but it's clear that it's the Lord himself
who is speaking and so uh it is the case
with the Moses at the burning bush and you know,
there it's, it becomes clear too. Bobby, can you think
of any other.
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Well, I mean, you have like the encounter with Joshua, um,
but
I do think that that they that it's obviously a
divine figure.
And
You know, it doesn't come out in the New Testament
and say that Jesus.
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Was the angel of the Lord, like in adverse fashion, uh, so.
You know, you end up in a situation where if
you recognize that this is a divine encounter and you
can see by the reactions of, uh, you know, the
different individuals that encountered this particular angel. um I think
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even uh with uh Hannah, if I'm not mistaken, and Samuel,
that maybe the the angel Lord encountered her.
Uh, but all that to say, you're going to end
up in a position if you don't assign that to
Jesus or the Holy Spirit, uh, you know, some, if
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they try to do the Father, that might not be
as clear because, you know, the Father was revealed and
he revealed himself as kind of the primary spokesperson, so
to kind of take that nuance might be confusing.
Uh, and then the Holy Spirit seems to be the
role that that Jesus would send for kind of a
full ordeal. So then you end up in a situation where, OK,
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now instead of the Trinity, you got a, a, a quad,
a quadrinity, right? The Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit,
and the angel of the Lord is the fourth person
of the Godhead, and I don't think that would be
a good move given that, uh, I don't know anybody
that's ever held to that view.
But all that to say, it goes to show that
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there's some ambiguity with it, uh, with what's going on,
and I'm comfortable with just recognizing that that God appeared
in the form of an angel, and I think that
it makes sense that it's Jesus, but if I got
to heaven and found out that, well, this was, you know, the,
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the Father doing something or the Spirit doing something.
It's not going to work me up because I know
it was just the Lord that appeared and that's what
matters at the end of the day.
What do you think, Logan?
No, that's a great question. I just, you know, I
just don't the hypothetical of that sometimes. I go to
Vanguard school, so I've been a Christian for a long time,
and that's just one of the questions I wanted to
ask you guys for a long time. Awesome. Well, thank
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you for calling in.
888-564-6173 is the number you can call to ask those
questions that you've had for a long time, or maybe
you just thought of it this morning. 888-564-6173. Let's go
to Facebook to answer a question sent in. This one
is from Cathy and Paul. They want to know, does
God command or recommend that we take a day off
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during the week? Bobby, what do you say?
Well, I definitely think it's good to take a day off,
but if they're asking is the Sabbath still a command
as it was in the Old Testament of the 10 Commandments,
that's the one commandment that we don't see repeated effect.
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What we're told is, you know, that there is no
particular day that we need to call more holy than another. Now,
I don't think that
Given the fact that they were in that cycle of Sabbath,
that they would have all of a sudden said, oh, OK,
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now let's just start working 7 days a week. Uh,
you know, some might have and some obviously eventually did,
but I think that the whole idea of rest, uh,
is a good thing and we should try to find
a day in our week that we can just shut
down from work.
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And in the spiritual community that was practiced in Judaism
was on Saturday, and the church began to worship on
Sunday because that's the day that Jesus rose from the
grave and so ideally if people can have a Sabbath
on Sunday, that's wonderful, um, but
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I, I don't think it means either that you just
got to, you know, pray all day or read your
Bible all day. I think it's just more of a
recharge day and, you know, that would include some spiritual
development and family time and maybe a hobby, and then
you get back to work and hopefully, you know, you're,
you're ready to roll again.
(23:36):
A hobby like uh taking on a new YouTube channel. Bobby,
tell us about that. Yes, yeah. So my new channel
is called The Graphite Apologist, and that is basically a
channel where I'm gonna be doing 62nd shorts of different
apologists throughout church history and answering apologetic arguments.
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A for the existence of God in the form of
art and so like,
I've been working on this today, and so this will
be a video and basically the question I'm going to
be answering is what is a worldview. We all have
a worldview of how we see the world and you'll
see a picture that I drew like that up in
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the mountains come together in 60 seconds, and I'll explain
what a worldview is and how it can be fruitful
in your own life. And so that's one way I'll
be dealing with stuff like that.
I'd love people to subscribe to the graphite apologist on YouTube.
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Go subscribe now. I'd love to have you on the channel.
So how long, how long did it take you to
do that piece right there?
That is about 15 hours before I stopped in
I, I
Wasn't completely satisfied, but I had to turn it off
because I, I'm OCD and like I literally sit down
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earlier and sometimes I sit for like 7 hours and
I don't even get up. I just tweak. Yeah, I
was going to ask you if that's 15 hours straight
or 15 hours over 3 days. What? Yeah, a couple days,
but like if I wanted to, I could take that
even for another 5, 10 hours and make it.
Even more hyperrealistic, but I just feel like I got
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to stop right now because I'm tweaking. So what, so
just like on the, on the, you know, kind of
the video side of it.
So are you recording the whole time you're you're doing it?
Yes, so this is the, the setup that I brought
here and you can see I've got.
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A camera and then this is a light right here
and this camera is in time lapse and so it
takes a picture every 4 seconds and then Tim, the
executive producer, I sent him the footage and then he'll
edit all of that 15 hours of video work into
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a 62nd video and then I'll do a voiceover.
To match it and I really hope to get better
at it like I realized like.
Just some of the things I can do differently with
the camera like go in and focus on the eye
or so I'm going to be really learning how to
take it, but hopefully people will be patient with me
and grow with me. I've only been doing it at
a year and a half, and I think that I'll
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just keep tweaking and figuring this thing out. That's wild.
That's I love, I love the, um, I love the
video that, you know.
The just to watch the process in a minute is
pretty fascinating to see that.
Yeah, isn't it cool? And you know that's the payoff
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that you're getting right now is people love to watch that,
and I think there's a unique factor and a lot
of times what you're seeing with these art videos is
you're just watching the art, right? But I think so
cool is is if people don't watch Apologetics, I hope
this will be a channel for people that
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That will literally crack this door open and look at
it and then on Shopify I'm taking my pieces and
turning all my so I'm basically going to be designing
my own clothes so that like pictures I'm going to
put that on a t-shirt with those glasses or I'm
going to have all these on t-shirts and prints and
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uh so but.
And, and, and I'm trying to design it where somebody
could look at that shirt. They might not know it's
about worldview, but if I make it cool, they might
wear it, and that's fine. Yeah, and that sparks the conversation.
People might say, oh, cool shirt, what does that mean?
Yes, that's what I, that's, that's what I hope, like
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creating some, you know, some t-shirts that people could actually
wear that isn't even using verses or anything. It's just
an image and then people like I did a Jesus
Superman and I had him coming out of the grave
in a Superman outfit and you know, someone who's wearing that,
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it just provides a conversation for people.
How cool. So check that out on YouTube. It's called
the Graphite Apologist with Bobby Conway, Graphite is spelled G
R A P H I T E, graphite.
The graphite topologist with Bobby Conway, and you can be
one of the 1st 150 subscribers. He's already up to 130. So, uh,
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let's double that today. Yeah, let's do that. 888-564-6173 is
our number that you can call to talk to the
graphite topologist, better known as author and apologist, Pastor Bobby Conway.
From Image Church in Charlotte, North Carolina, Brian Broderson's here
in the studio with me, and we're gonna be here
till 4 o'clock to answer the questions you have about
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We're back on Pastor's Perspective. I'm Brian Perez. 888-564-6173 is
the number to call. We've got Brian Broderson and Bobby
Conway here to answer your questions today at 888-564-6173. And Bobby,
did you plan this? Because during the break, I happened
look down on my phone, and I got a notification
from YouTube from the graphite Topologist with Bobby Conway drawing
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Alan Parr from the beat. That just came up right now.
It was so funny that during the break, I just
looked down and there it is. So you must have
just released that one. I don't know how that works,
but that was kind of cool.
That is cool. How about that? Sis listening to you.
Oh, she does that. That's for sure. But, uh, how cool.
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So now I can prove that I'm one of your subscribers, Bobby.
And I love that. Yes. All right. 888-564-6173 is our number.
Where did Manuel go? I don't know. So, uh, let's
go to Richard in Costa Mesa. Richard, what is your
question for us today? Thanks for calling in at 888-564-6173.
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Hi, um, so I was curious, um, about two different
kinds of teaching, I guess I would call it in
the Bible. Uh, one is, you know, the lady said
topical and the other one is through the Bible.
And I guess what I'm, I'm asking is, the Bible
say anything about those different types and I guess maybe,
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so did Jesus or the disciples or maybe in the
Old Testament when they were teaching, did they, did they
teach topical or did they teach through the Bible? And
um is there any like records during the time of Jesus?
Like if they went to the synagogue on Sun on Saturday?
Did, did they do a particular type?
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Hm, what do you think, Brian? Not that you lived
back in that day. Yeah. Well, the, the synagogue, uh,
to this very day actually has a weekly text of reading, um,
you know, there's a reading in the synagogue. Remember in
Luke's Gospel, Jesus, he's given um the text to read
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on that particular Sabbath day, and it was
The prophetic text about himself coming from Isaiah 61. And so,
you know, he reads it and then he says today,
this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing. So, so anyway,
that practice still goes on today where there is a
reading of a text and then there would be some,
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you know, in a Jewish context, there would be some
sort of application of that.
And um.
Think of, think of the Sermon on the Mount, if
you're familiar with the Sermon on the Mount, which is
Matthew chapter 5 through chapter 7, and it's called the
Sermon on the Mount because Jesus was there with his
disciples on a mountainside. He sat down and he began
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to teach them. It says, so it's gotten the, you know,
the sermon on the mount.
Name tagged on to it. Um, but that's a bit
of a topical teaching, you know, Jesus is going through
different topics, if you will. He's he's addressing different, um,
aspects of, of faith and of, um, you know, the
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kingdom really describing what the kingdom and the, uh, those
who are members of the kingdom describing their character and
exerting about certain behaviors and and things like that.
And so, um,
You know, we read in, uh, I'm just thinking about
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Ezra or Nehemiah where it talks about, uh, how Ezra
the scribe, he, he read the text and he gave
the understanding to the people. So, you know, he reads,
he reads verses and then he gives uh application or
exegesis uh exposition.
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Of it, but there's no, uh, there's there's no place
in the Bible where it says.
Here, this is a topical sermon. This is, uh, you know,
an exposition to exposite or to exegate means to, you know,
to kind of just bring out the meaning, that's the idea.
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So that's what you want to do with the text,
whether you do uh whether you do it topically by
taking a certain topic. Let's just say the topic of justification.
So you wanna, you wanna talk about justification. You're going
to use several passages, but your, your main topic is justification, um,
or you could teach on justification by teaching uh Romans
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chapter 3, and in the the context of Romans 3,
going through, you're gonna, you're gonna be able to give
an an exposition of what justification is, so.
Bobby.
Yeah, that's good. So when it comes to preaching, uh,
there is different types. There is expository and topical like
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Pastor Brian just mentioned.
And there's textual preaching. Charles Spurgeon was
You know, probably the most famous textual preacher, and that's
where you just take a text like that maybe more
like a verse or a line of a verse and
you unpack that expository preaching, you're taking more of a
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a unit or what's referred to in seminary as a pericopy. Uh, you, uh,
you have even in church history, somebody like
Um, John Calvin was
An expository preacher of the word. When you look in
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the New Testament, there's a lot of textual type teaching
where they'll take this phrase from the Old Testament and
then they'll make an application through their teaching with it,
but there's no one perfect way of preaching.
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I do think that there is a best way though, um,
and the best way and the most consistent way is
expository preaching.
But there are times, for example, if you're going to
do a study on doctrine and you're gonna teach on
the Trinity, well, that's gonna be a topical teaching series.
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And if the church feels like the only way to
teach is expository teaching, well, then you're gonna have a
hard time teaching a systematic theology. You would do that
through a topical approach.
Another approach to teaching that some have used has been
like allegorical teaching, but I don't think that that is
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a wise way to get at things because you end
up doing more isoesis than exegesis. So all that to
say is the question that we want to answer is
what's the best way to learn the Bible.
Well, I think that
It uses all these approaches minus an allegorical because you
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want to do different types of theories on topics or
you might want to do a text, but I think
topical and expository, leveraging those in particular, but probably about 80%
of the time you want to be moving through passages,
and that's my opinion, but it's because I think it
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does a number of things. Number one,
Ah, an effective expository teacher.
We'll be teaching people how to study the Bible by
the way that they teach. Like, in other words, you'll
pick up on how to study the Bible because an
expository teacher is like a tour guide taking you on
a journey through a particular passage and unpacking it and
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pointing out things and making observations and and a good
Bible teacher will
will teach in such a way that you'll find that
you observe more closely when you're reading the Bible. The
other thing it does is it keeps the pastor accountable.
I can see in a church where somebody just dances
around on topics all the time, in particular felt need topics,
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but they never really show their doctrinal cards or some
of the hard moral issue cards, and
You know, when you're working through a book and you know, hey,
I'm going to have to address homosexuality when I hit
this passage, well, you're going to have to show your cards,
but if you just conveniently never teach that way, well,
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you end up kind of being a bit ambiguous. Not
only that, if you just teach topically, uh, people can
begin to look at the Bible as sort of a
self-help book.
Uh, where they turn, they look to God as someone
who is just kind of there to meet their, their,
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their needs, and that can be dangerous. Now, in a,
a biblical biblically sound topical preacher that really cares about
theology would not just do felt need series but even
some theological series like a series on repentance or a
series on.
Justification or sanctification, some of these different topics, but there's
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different approaches, but I wish more pastors were committed to
the process of expository preaching.
Does this help you, Richard?
Yeah, that, I think what Bobby just said right now
is really what I was getting at. I, I've been
a Christian for about 40 years, and I just feel
sometimes like the church that I go to, they're, you know, they,
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like Bobby said, they don't talk about the tough issues
because uh they just jump around on what he felt, uh,
something felt, you know, and, um, I feel like I'm
missing out. And obviously, the other people are missing, you know,
the other people are missing out too because
You know, maybe pastors, it's easier or maybe they feel like,
I don't wanna upset anybody or I don't want to
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teach something that's boring, but this part of the scripture
that I'm going through is, is boring. So, you know,
is it really boring because it's not, it's God's word. Well, Richard,
it says here you live in Costa Mesa, and we
know of a great church that you can go to,
Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa. I might be a little bit biased. Uh, Brian?
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Well, I don't think you would agree, right, so, but um.
Yeah, and I think, you know, like you were saying, Bobby,
with expository teaching and preaching is that is the way
to to do it. I mean, you know, these, God
had these things written down.
So we can study them, meditate on them, learn from them,
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understand them, apply them. So when you take something that
God has written, say just like one of the epistles,
for example, you know, Paul wrote one, or Peter or whoever, but,
but it's inspired by the spirit. Now, on occasion you
can pull out one verse and you can build a
great message around that one verse. That's and, you know,
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sometimes that's very appropriate and that's the way to do it.
Um, but, you know, it's, there's a context to it.
And it's meant to be understood in the context, so
you need to teach it in context. And I think
that's what happens a lot of times is, uh, you know,
people are pulling things that might make great sermons, but
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when you look at the actual context of the statement,
you go, oh, it it didn't quite mean what I
preached on, but it, but it was a good springboard
into it, you know, so I think.
Um, and, and, you know, you could even do that,
but just make sure you put it in the context
as well. Say, hey, you know, today I'm gonna look
at it from this point of view, but the context
is actually this, um, but then, like you, I think
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you're saying too, Bobby, the, the beauty of expository, you know,
going through books of the Bible, is that you're forced
to teach stuff that you, uh, would maybe not necessarily
gravitate toward.
And that's good and that's necessary, because everybody, you know,
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people kind of get their sort of pet peeves, you know,
this is, this is the area I want to talk
about this all the time. And so they can end
up just talking about the same thing all the time,
uh just using a different passage of scripture to do it. Um,
this forces you to do.
What you maybe would not want to do. You would,
you would tend to avoid it, but hey, it's right
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here in the text, so what am I gonna say?
And I can think of so many times for me,
in my experience where, you know, that text that you
were kind of like, oh gosh, I got to preach
on this, and then you discover that while this text
was so relevant to the moment, because there was some
person there that this text.
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Transform their life, you know, you're like, wow, I wouldn't
have chosen to preach on this text, but I did,
and this is what happened, you know, Bobby.
That's exactly right. I mean, you get into this idea of, oh,
this isn't going to seem relevant, and you can feel
that when you're working through. Like I remember when I
taught through Sons of God and Daughters of Men in
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Genesis 66, and I found myself thinking, what in the
world am I going to do with this? And this
is so bizarre. And so, um.
I, I have a lot of feelings about like how
relevant given all the chapters of the Bible is this
passage that I'm teaching through Genesis.
And um I had somebody say to me, well, why
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don't you just share what you're feeling um about this?
And so I, my introduction was like this, um, have
you ever read the Bible and you found yourself scratching
your head and thinking, this is so bizarre. Well, that
was me this week in my study.
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But let me show you how I came to see
that this passage is, yes, bizarre but true, and I
think I titled my message bizarre but true, and I
had everybody on ready to listen because they could relate.
So one of the things I think that we have
to do as expository preachers is when we come to
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a passage that is bizarre or it doesn't seem relevant.
We need to spend extra time raising the the why
and the need and, and, and, and showing them. So
for example, some pastors want to skip hard passages of
the Bible because they don't want to offend people or whatever,
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and you want to take some time to be able
to say, did you know that Jesus said things that
were sometimes offensive?
And why did he do that? Because he wanted us
to understand the truth about himself and about ourselves, and
those have to go together and
We're gonna look at a passage today that might be
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hard for you to digest and just saying things like that. Well,
I remember the story of Nella that I told you
guys about. I was teaching through 1 Corinthians and got
the head coverings in 1 Corinthians 11.
And I, I felt, what I, what is this going
to mean to the flock this and wear a hat
or wear a covering or not wear a covering? Like,
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wouldn't it just be better to get the spiritual gifts
and in chapter 12? So I, I, I just thought,
you know what, I'm, I'm working through the text. I'm
not going to skip it. I'm gonna teach this. And
so I ended up titling my message hats off. Well, I, I,
I also opened up with sharing.
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My feelings about, you know, some passages don't always seem
as relevant as others, and
And why would we look at it? Well, cause it's
important to understand all of God's word.
And even if it doesn't seem relevant to the moment,
we want to know His word, and that's part of
being a good disciple. We don't approach church just because,
you know, it's gonna always seem relevant. And so then
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I start teaching, and then, and then this lady comes
up to me afterwards. Her name was Nella, and she
was coming out of Islam. She was in a polygamous marriage.
She lived in Saudi Arabia, and she said, I was
going to work out at the gym, but the gym
wasn't open until noon, and I heard worship.
And I came in because I've been seeking, you know, God,
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I've come out of Islam, and she said, and I
heard your message.
On hats off and she says I was weeping in
the back because as a Muslim in Saudi Arabia I
was veiled for so many years and she says to me,
this was exactly what I needed to hear today and
I thought, boy, I was worried about this message seeming
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irrelevant to the church and then God brings a nonbeliever
in and
The next week she came back again and gave her
life to Christ, and she's still totally engaged in our church,
and she's just started her own YouTube channel and so
this is beautiful, total conversion and her and her testimony is, yeah,
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she heard a sermon called hats off on head coverings
and then that was it.
Wow, I love that. I mean, you know, these, these
are the things that we, uh, you know, we preachers, we,
we have this, this privilege of having these kinds of
experiences where, uh, you know, you'll even sometimes you'll be,
you'll be preaching, you'll have your outline, you'll, you'll know
(48:14):
where you're going, and then you just, you kind of
go off on a
Like, uh, um, or you know, maybe you call it
like you go down a rabbit hole or something, you know,
you go somewhere that you did not even intend to go.
The thought never even crossed your mind to go there
as you were, you know, preparing or even getting up
and preaching, and then you go there, and then you
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come up out of the rabbit hole and resume.
And then somebody comes up to you at the end
and says, you know, I came to church today. This
is the first time I've been to church in 30
years and you know that one thing you said, and
it's the rabbit hole that you went down that they said,
that's my life. You described me, you're like, well, listen,
God's speaking to you because.
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If I could show you my notes, you would know
they're not in my notes. I had no intention to
go there. I never even thought about going there until
the moment, and it was the very thing, and that's
the beauty of that's prophetic preaching, you know, that's what,
that's what prophecy is in the context of preaching right there.
I love it. Yeah, that's such a good point, and
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I'll tell you, when I think about like uh
This kind of teaching, it's the kind of teaching that
if you ever sit under an effective expository preacher, it,
it's almost like most people can't feel settled.
In their next church until they find that kind of
teaching again, they'll always feel like they're living off of
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a just a bad diet and of all the things
that I think in the ministry, even more than apologetics,
what I love more than anything is being a Bible teacher.
That is the thing that fires me up.
More than anything. Yes, amen. And I am gonna teach
the Bible on Sunday night this week. Good segue. Yes, yes,
(50:04):
and we're back because we took one break. Or any
prospective radio students who might be listening or watching right now,
that's called a segue. When you talk about one thing
and you kind of morph it into another. That was good.
So we took a week off because of Easter, but
we are back with Back to Basics Live this Sunday night.
And I'm super excited because we're going through the Book
of Acts, and I love Acts anyway, but we're in
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Chapter 8, and chapter 8 is so thrilling. It's um
the story, the, the, the main part of the story
is um the, the gospel going to Samaria and what
happens in Samaria, and then you have Simon this
Uh, you know, sorcerer who seduced the people, but he
(50:48):
hears the preaching and sees the power of the gospel
through Philip and he believes in Jesus. Peter and John
come down and, you know, all kinds of things, but
then the, the Ethiopian, um, eunuch, which, which meant that
he was a, uh, he was a government official of
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from Ethiopia.
And he's visits Jerusalem, he's on his way back, and
it's that amazing encounter with Phillip in the desert and
um yeah, I can't wait for Sunday night. Yeah. Yeah.
And hey, I just want to say I, I just
noticed on my channel that I got a 35.
Uh, subscribers that just subscribed, and I just want to
(51:33):
say thank you that's super cool because today is one
week from when I launched and it doesn't sound like
a whole lot 165, but if you can get, you know,
between 1 and 200 in the first week, that's actually
a really good.
Kick off to the channel that's great and hope that
(51:53):
the momentum can build and so I just want to
say thank you for that. And you know, the big
thing too is even more than subscribers is I had
85,000 subscribers on my other channel, but I ended up
out of the algorithm several years ago and so I
was only seeing like 1500 views or so on the videos. Well,
(52:15):
that is a real poor ratio for that many subscribers.
And so what's crazy is now with the 150 subscribers
I've been seeing, you know, on a few of the
videos like 1500 views. So that's kind of the thing
that you want to see when you're, when you're, when
you're growing it because if you're, if you're, if you
(52:37):
want the channel to take off.
You know, I just never paid any attention to these
algorithms and stuff. It just, I hate all the analytics
and stuff like that. It's just not my forte, but
I've been told you got to really pay attention to
some of that stuff. And so I was like I've
got to kind of maybe bury the other channel because
1500 views and 85,000 subscribers. Basically what that's saying is
(52:59):
many of those people left you long ago.
Or they're robots. So, so Bobby Bryant building a relationship
with this audience too. I'm gonna be interacting. I didn't
really interact well on the other one. I really look
forward to talking to people about this. Well Brian, well, Brian,
Brian pulled up, um, the hats off message and so we're,
(53:25):
we're watching it, but at one point you were doing
like a Karate Kid move. I don't know what was
going on there. You were sort of in the praying
mantis mode, you know.
Daniel La Russo about to give a big kick to
Johnny right in the chin. I don't know what that
was about. Well, you know, when you're coming to a
passage and you're desperate, you need to even use some humor. Just,
(53:49):
you gotta, you gotta come up with some creative ways
and you got to kind of go Daniel's son on
them or Mr. Magi. That was a full on Daniel's son, yes.
Yes, if you want to find this hats off message,
there it is, yes. Did I miss it? I was
looking away. But yeah, yeah, look, look, there you are.
Can you see it on the screen there? Oh no,
you don't have access to my screen today. Yeah, about
(54:10):
4 minutes in, you, you did it. So yeah, if
you want to find this hats off message that Pastor
Bobby gave last year at Image Church in Charlotte, North Carolina,
go to his website. It's imagechurch.
live. From there you click on watch, and then you'll,
you can see all of Bobby's messages from the past
few years, and you can either scroll down by date,
(54:30):
which would be January 16th of 2024. This is the
full on wax on, wax off. You're doing the whole
yagi thing. Well, he called it hats off, so I
guess he's kind of doing a play on hats off,
whacked off. I don't know. I just know, I just
know when I saw Karate Kid in 7th or 8th grade.
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You know, I looked like the stupidest looking move, but
I thought, oh that is so cool. And so I
was like, I want to go out and get in
a fight. And so after the movie I went out
looking to get in a fight and I just remember
I think I got beat up too, you know.
Uh, and somebody listening right now is thinking, wait a minute,
I remember beating some guy up after watching that movie.
(55:13):
I wonder if it was Bobby. Who knows? Right? Anyway,
so go ahead, go subscribe to the, uh, Graphite Apologist
YouTube channel, and, uh, yeah, Bobby just got like 35
new subscribers since the start of the show. It shows
the power of radio advertising. Bobby will send you the
bill later, so, uh, you know, that's how it works.
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All right. God bless you guys. Sorry if we're gonna
get to your call today, but we'll be back tomorrow
between 3 and 4 p.m. So call us then and
if you want to watch any of today's episode again,
you can go to our, uh, YouTube channel or Facebook page.
We archive there also on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. For
Brian Broderson and Bobby Conway, the graphite topologist, I'm Brian
(55:54):
Perez and we'll talk to you next time here on
Pastor's Perspective.
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