June 23, 2025 • 56 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Hey, hello. Welcome to Pastor's Perspective. I'm Brian Perez. I'm
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at 888-564-6173. Brian Broderson is here. You already heard me
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introduce him, and we've also got author and apologist Doctor
Bobby Conway, the pastor of Image Church in Charlotte, North Carolina.
Hello. Well, hello. That was a long intro. I'm out
of breath.
Yeah, that was a bit long-winded, and about the same thing.
Yes, where is he going? I agree. Well, I was
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kind of distracted, you know, having to put my own
equipment together here and no respect around this place, you know,
for pastor emeritus just.
Gotta do everything yourself. Yeah, well, you know, you're not
the lead guy anymore. Yeah, I know. I mean, it's obvious.
People are just crying like, what are you doing here? Yeah.
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Do you work here? What's your name?
Uh, just having fun. Bobby, how are you doing?
I'm doing really good. Yeah, good. I think it's, uh,
it's been a nice day and just, uh, launched our
product line at pondermerch.com. And so that's pretty cool. We've got, uh,
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5 t-shirts and 5 canvases now available, uh, that correlate
to the drawings and so I designed our logo for Ponder.
And so, yeah, a lot of fun, looking forward to
seeing this clothing line.
Uh, and slapping the art on there, so we'll see
how it comes together.
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Cool, very nice. pondermerch.com. And uh so, so what kind
of products are they? T-shirts or yeah, so t-shirts and canvas.
So nice. It's the whole idea is the graphite apologist
puts out these short videos of long drawings with a
Hopefully meaningful message and then the art that I drew
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turns into t-shirt and canvas at ponder, and the idea
behind ponder is it's art that we want you to
think about that has a meaning, not just something cool.
So it's kind of two things I'm launching at once
graphite apologist and ponder.
So the tortured soul, um.
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Is that your favorite one, Brian?
That was just a product of my brain. I just
envisioned a tortured soul with just a bunch of mental
mental pictures. Yeah, that was on mental health awareness. Yeah,
that's um.
It's pretty wild. Pretty, yeah, got some today that we're done,
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5 done today, 1 on CS Lewis, 1 on.
Um, Socrates, one on Soaring Kierkegaard, and then a few others,
one coming up on, oh, another one on CS Lewis.
So I'll be doing a lot of stuff. I'm gonna
do Augustine. You'll like this, Brian, so you know, Augustine
of Hippo. So I'm gonna do a drawing of Saint Augustine,
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but I'm gonna have him riding a hippo as he's
leading the city of man headed toward the city of
God while he's reading his confessions.
I'll, I'll take that one. That'll be good. And what,
what's the Lewis one look like? Is it just, uh,
like a portrait, like a facial? Um, yeah, the CS
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Lewis one is.
Well, it's on my graphite apologist one, but it's, it's
not up as the actual video. It's basically what I
did is I, I created Aslan and I put Aslan
at a desk and then behind the desk is all
these books, but then it's the desk of CS Lewis,
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and so he's Aslan sitting there and drawing.
Very cool. That's good. Oh yeah, I see it. I see.
I see it at the desk, yes, next, next to
Francis Schaffer. Next to Francis Schaffer. That's right, yeah, and
those will all be shirts too. I just, we only
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released 5, but the Francis Schaffer one will be up and, uh,
so yeah, be, be fun. I don't know what's too
many products to put out, but you know, yeah, I
think there's, uh, this is, this is cool stuff. I
got a.
Yep, it's on Bobby's rap Topologist YouTube channel. You just
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need to get a t-shirt for everybody in the Calvary
network as a gift from you. Yeah.
There's Winston playing the guitar. I just saw that one.
Yeah that's right.
Very cool. All right. I like it. 888-564-6173 is the
number to call us today here on Pastor's Perspective, and
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let's start with a question that was sent in online.
This is from Evan who called in, you might remember Brian,
this past Friday. He had a question about, um, mediums, and, uh,
he also had a follow up regarding spirits. Can people
who passed.
Are there spirits around us and can they communicate?
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No, no, OK, that was easy. Next question. Well, that would,
that would be uh
You know, like a ghost, and there, there's no.
There's nothing in scripture that, now, of course, in scripture,
we do have spirits, yes, but they're not the spirits
of people. So, a a person's spirit, when the person's
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spirit leaves the body, the person's spirit goes to
Whatever
Depending on their, their position with God, that kind of
determines where they go, but they're in
They're in that place, be it heaven or be it
um hell, and they're not able to reaccess the the
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this realm. So, so the spirits that can access this
realm are not human spirits, but what we would call demons,
demonic spirits. Bobby.
Yeah, and I would add that
If somebody has had an experience where they feel like
a loved one maybe has shown up to them, uh,
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I don't, um, question the fact that somebody had an experience.
I question the source of the experience. So I do
believe that the demonic realm, uh, they can, you know,
appear as an angel of light and bring about deception.
So it's not unthinkable to think that demons could mimic.
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Something um of a loved one, and that's just for
the purpose of confusing theology, of creating, you know, a
sense of, you know, belief that you can talk to
the dead. I mean, I, I talked to a lady
last week that she's talking to a loved one that's
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passed on and convinced there's something going on there.
And I think as Christians that we have to put
what we see in the scriptures ahead of our experience.
So if you lose a loved one, and you feel
convinced that your loved one's communicating with you.
Well, we're up against the problem because the Bible forbids necromancy. Uh,
the Bible lets us know very clearly that, you know,
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our loved ones aren't interacting with us. So what do
we do with that experience? Well, we would go to
the scriptures and we would see that, you know, to
be absent from the bodies to be present with the
Lord if someone's a believer, but we would recognize that
even the evil one could do something.
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And you might feel good and think, well, how in
the world, you know, could a demon make me feel
good like I'm connecting with a loved one. Well, if
it means that you start to compromise scripture by putting
experiences over
The truth, then we played right into his hand.
Any other thoughts, Brian?
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Uh, well, yes and no. I mean, I, I think
just that this is real stuff, and I think we
need to keep that in mind and we need to,
as we, as we both have said, we need to
make sure that we're understanding the spirit world.
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Through the biblical lens because like, like Bobby says, you know,
there are people who do have these experiences and they
can become emotionally attached to one of these kinds of experiences,
but in doing that, they're, they're setting themselves up, you know, demons, they,
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they're on a mission. They're not benign. They're not just
gonna show up and.
Make you feel better because you miss your loved one.
They have an agenda and the agenda is destructive. So
I think, um, but sometimes they like, like Bobby referred
to the passage from Paul and Corinthians, um, Satan transforms
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himself into an angel of light and, and then Paul
goes on to say, and so it's no.
Um, big surprise that his ministers will do the same thing.
So yeah, did you ever listen to the podcast, The
Exorcist Files?
I did not.
I still think if you went back to season one,
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it's just so you know how like Justin Briley like
or Dixon, just the production is so through the roof.
It is, it is the production levels insane and I
think on like Spotify, it was the number one download
for a while there, but they just came out with
a new season.
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And the stories, uh, they're just, they're, they're mesmerizing. I,
I don't think we would agree with everything, uh, coming
out of it, but I did find it really, really, um,
just intriguing to listen to. You know, I was listening to, um, did,
did you ever listen to the Devil in the Deep
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Blue Sea podcast?
No. So somebody just mentioned that to me the other
day and it was or it is a podcast done
by Mike Cosper and remember Mike was the one who
did the uh the Mars Hill podcast. um, so it's
one of those kind of long form documentary things, but
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he was dealing with the subject of demonization, demon possession,
and he, he actually had a um.
He, he had a recording of a so-called exorcism of
being led by um
Oh, what was his name? Larson, Bob Larson. I don't
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know if you remember that name. Yeah, uh, boy, that
guy's still going and he's, it's as kooky as ever.
I was shocked, you know, because it's gotta be, gotta
be in his 80s, but I mean, you know, they're
supposedly casting out this demon and it was just wild.
I don't think they were actually casting out a demon.
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I think it was all, uh, fabricated, but, um, but anyway,
oh yeah, 81 years old, look at that.
My goodness, he's still around, still around, yeah.
All right, 888-564-6173 is the number to call us today.
And Darnell, we're gonna go to you after I read
one more question that was sent in online. This one
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is from Graciela from Anaheim. I reconciled with the Lord
eight years ago after walking away for 20 years from church.
During that time, I was an addict to meth, and
I now have schizophrenia.
Now I serve the Lord a church, yet I struggle
so bad with sinful thoughts, and I'm not being guided
from the Holy Spirit. My question is, the Lord delivered
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me from addiction and alcohol. Why doesn't he help me
in renewing my mind? Bobby, what do you tell Graciela?
Well, I mean, I do think it probably depends on
the nature of what one is struggling with. Um, uh,
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let's just say it has to do with lust. Um,
you know, there can be all sorts of connections that, uh, relationally, uh,
you get connected to and it can be a deeper
form of attachment that you struggled with. So,
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Uh, it, it, I don't think it's a God won't
deliver you. Um, it could just be that this is
the harder one of the different addictions that you may
have struggled with to deal with. Uh, you know, let's
just say it's lust. We don't know what the issue is,
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so it's hard to speak directly to it. Well, she
said it was schizophrenia. That's what she has after all
those years of doing.
Meth. She now has schizophrenia, so she's wondering why the
Lord won't, uh, OK, renew her mind. Yeah, that's, that's,
that's kind of a mental health issue that it's different. Like,
for example, you take um some of the addiction that
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you've found freedom in. Well, there's freedom in Christ to
overcome that, but when it comes to something like schizophrenia,
this is a mental health issue that requires, um, God
to do. We can't just heal ourselves from.
You know, having some of these type of, um, mental
health issues in and of ourselves. So yes, God can
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show up and heal somebody that's an addict, but if
somebody has MS or, uh, Alzheimer's or Parkinson's or schizophrenia
or borderline personality disorder, I mean, you, you can do
the work to help keep it at bay as best
as you can.
Uh, but here's the thing that's different when you're acting
out in addiction and drugs and just burying yourself, there's
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a violation there. When you're struggling with a true mental
health condition like schizophrenia, uh, you know, it could be
that maybe some of the drugs or whatever contributed.
To the cause of that, but not maybe even exclusively,
but I don't think that you're in a sense sinning
against God if you're suffering from some type of a
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mental health issue in your life. And so the key
is how do you glorify Him with this and how
do you become informed so that you um aren't incapacitated
by it? Those would be just a few thoughts. Brian.
Well,
Yeah, and, and I think too there are.
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Some situations that we are just having to, to live
with and and battle through by the grace of God.
He, he gives us the
The strength and the grace that we need to to persevere, but, um,
because the question is why hasn't God taken us away?
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And um,
You know, there, there could be some uh damage, irreversible
damage that was done by the drugs that does happen
at times. And yet I think by God's mercy, we
do have medications and things these days that can stabilize
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people with schizophrenia and allow them to live, you know,
a somewhat normal life, but of course you've always got
the issues of
The obsessive thoughts and things like that that can come
and sometimes even voices and that.
And I've known so many people over the years and
years of ministry that have battled with this and.
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And a lot of them have had the same question,
why hasn't the Lord healed me? And we don't know
the answer to that, but it, I mean, it is
a it is an, uh, it's a legitimate ailment of
of physiological nature. It's not like, you know, like mental
illness sometimes is.
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It's kind of, um, even when you talk about mental illness,
it's almost like well the mind's intangible, the mind is
non-material so then you sort of think of mental illness as.
Not related to you and your body, but of course
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your brain and your mind are in some way related.
Nobody understands exactly what the relationship is, but, but the
way your body works will affect the way your your
brain works and the way your brain works will, will
affect the way you think and and so forth. So
all of that to just say that don't, don't be
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discouraged that you haven't been healed.
Know that the Lord has
He's embraced you as his own. He's obviously forgiven your sins,
he's restored you on many levels and just keep trusting
him for the grace that he will give you to,
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to make it a kind of one day at a time,
a really good friend in the UK who.
Uh, battled with severe mental illness for many years and
came to faith and then, um, the Lord did a
lot to, to bring him to a fairly normal living experience,
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but he had lapses at times and, and one of
the things that happens a lot of times with people
who are on medication for mental illness is they.
They feel guilty that they're taking medication. They feel like, well,
if I had more faith, God would probably heal me,
so I shouldn't be on this medication. So they go
off of their medication and then their symptoms, uh, their,
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their symptoms come back, you know, sometimes with a vengeance,
and this, this happened to him a few times. I
remember where he was very stable, doing great.
Still had his struggles, but he coped and lived relatively
normal life and then he would decide, oh, I, I
can't be on these meds. I need, I need to
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get off these and he'd go off of them and
then next thing you know, he's walking down the middle
of the street naked, you know, and stuff like that. So, um,
you know, again, thank God for.
Good people in the medical world, the psychiatrist who understand
these things and can help people, um, but
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Thank God for His grace to that even sustains us
even though there's not a complete healing and there might
never be, but there could be, um, you know, Brian
Wilson died last week of the Beach Boys and he
battled with mental illness for many years. It was drug
induced probably the majority of it, um, but he battled
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through it and he came through.
The other side and lived again, you know, a, a
fairly normal life. So, um, but you have the Lord
and he's with you and and he's helping you and just,
you know, it's a day at a time Bobby.
Yeah, it would be kind of like if again.
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Mental health issues like Brian said, can be induced through
drug use. In particular, schizophrenia, if there was cocaine or
LSD usage, if somebody has a genetic predisposition, um, toward
that kind of thing that is, um, you know, Alzheimer and, and, and, and, um,
or schizophrenia, excuse me, in the parent's history, uh, that
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can kind of trigger that quicker.
Uh, but then it comes to like, let's say somebody
struggled with cutting their physical body, and they become a
believer and God delivered them from cutting, but it, it
would be kind of equivalent to saying like, well, why
doesn't God, you know, remove my scars? I mean, he
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delivered me from cutting. Well, those are scars from the
past and sometimes drug use leads to scarring and and it.
And it's something that you go, OK, I got to
figure out how to make the most of this. What
can I do to, to live in this? And so
just as sometimes people can cut and then they have
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these scars and they're delivered from that, um, use this
as an example if it was drug induced to help others, um,
you know, to stay away from it, to know what
the consequences can be if if it's used in, in,
in the kind of extremes that can produce something like that.
Graciela, thank you for sending in, I should say Graciela
Gracias for sending in your question, uh, through the Kwave.com
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pastor's perspective page, and now we're gonna go to the
phones 888-564-6173. We will start with Darnell in Fullerton. Hi there, Darnell,
thanks for calling in today.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Hey, may Christ bless all three of you. Likewise.
Regarding Isaiah, I'm sorry, Ezekiel 33:6, I realized that this
was written 23 1000 years ago. I was just wondering, um,
how does this apply to us today and who is
the watchman in 2025?
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Brian, what's say to you?
Well, I
I don't
I think um we have an equivalent.
Of that today, um, of course, Ezekiel was a prophet, uh,
directed by the Lord to prophesy concerning, uh, the nation
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of Judah. And so, you know, there are certain things
there that were just very specific to him and his calling.
And I don't think that they're necessarily transferable.
Um
That the kind of prophetic ministry that Ezekiel had, uh,
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I don't know that we have those kinds of prophetic
ministries today where people are talking about a judgment that's
coming or uh details about in times events and things,
you know, we have, we have a lot of scripture
and we have hints and indicators about, you know, what
things will look like, but whenever anybody gets
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Down to trying to get really specific about uh this
is what God told me and this is what's gonna
happen and there's going to be a judgment here, there's
gonna be an earthquake there and uh uh a massive
tsunami is gonna come and wipe this out, you know,
because these things have been predicted, but they don't, they
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never happen. So I don't, I don't know that there
is such um
An appointment by God to people with that kind of
ministry today. I think in what we call the tribulation period,
there will be that, and we know that there are
going to be two witnesses that will prophesy in Jerusalem, uh,
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during the tribulation period, and I think that they will be, uh,
they will be once again like the prophets of old.
So Bobby, what do you think?
Yeah, I agree. I mean, if you're teaching this passage,
you want to be faithful to the original context and
Ezekiel being the watchman, he's sent by God to warn
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the people of coming judgment and how to kind of
get around that, right? When it comes to an application level,
if I was teaching through this chapter.
I wouldn't want to say that we have the same message,
but I would say something like, all of us, um,
have warnings that we have to offer and sometimes God
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calls you to be a watchman in someone else's life
and you might need to
Somebody, uh, needs to hear the gospel, and they need
to be warned, uh, of, of what it looks like
to reject him or you know, it can play out, um,
you know, with the spouse warning their husband or wife
that if they don't change their behavior, it's going to
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lead to consequences or warning your kids. So there's an
element where all of us have to be willing to
be God's watchman, the message looks different.
Uh, I guess today we share the gospel to warn people.
We're sort of watchmen in that way, but then as
Pastor Brian said, you'll see more of that crystallize in
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the escaton. Yeah, and you know.
I'm, I'm listening to this, um, history on, um, Savonarola,
and some, some people would know that name. Savonarola was a, uh,
15th century, um,
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Reformer, like, like a, a Catholic uh friar who became
a reformer who was um
Considered to be.
Very prophetic and he was um he was in the
city of Florence at the time and he was predicting
judgment and doom and the French army is gonna come
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and all of this, some of which did happen, but
at the same time he was also included in that
the return of Jesus and you know, very detailed descriptions
about the the wrath of God and the judgment that
Jesus was going to bring when he came and so forth.
And so, you know, the, the places where it seemed
like he might have been getting a few things right
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in the big picture, he was getting a ton of
it wrong. And, um, you know, so and I think
this is what happens he was all involved in the
politics of, of the, the city at the time and
and and I think when when you get into that
place like, like today, if we were to start.
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Saying things very specifically about world leaders and you know
this world leader is, is, is this and he's a
type of the antichrist and he's gonna do this and
this nation's gonna do that and you know, Israel's gonna
and and some people do, they cross over the boundary
and they start speaking like they are an Old Testament prophet.
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And yet it always has proven over and over again
that um they weren't because the things that they say
uh ultimately don't happen. And so that's where you
See that uh people can really get carried away with
some of this, and especially if you get an audience
and people are listening and they want to hear more
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than you, you just keep going further down that road.
And what better way to get an audience than to
upload videos on YouTube? I mean, that's what people do
nowadays and then they got all these followers and crazy stuff, man, Darnell.
Thank you for calling us today on Pastor's Perspective. Gonna
take a break and then we'll be back with more
of your questions. Pastor Brian, tell us about the conference
going on at Calvary Chapel or the Calvary Chapel conference
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going on. The Calvary Global Network conference. Yes, it's gonna
be happening next week, as a matter of fact, 22nd
through the 25th.
At Reliance Church in Temecula, California, the Way Forward ministry
according to Jesus, it's going to be a great time
of encouragement for all of those who attend, uh, who
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are in a variety of different areas of ministry. We're
looking to encourage everybody who's serving in whatever capacity. So, conference.
Calvary Chapel.com, get all the information and you can get
registered and uh yeah, we'll be there a week from today,
we'll be there, so.
Very nice. Join us. Conference. Calvary Chapel.com. It's break time.
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We'll be back with more of your questions. Jack Ledeen,
you are coming up here on Pastor's Perspective, 888-564-6173.
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Hey, we are back on Pastor's Perspective. Thanks so much
for joining us. Thanks so much for listening on the
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We are here Monday through Friday from 3 to 4 p.m.
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Answer the questions you might have about the Bible, the
Christian faith at 888-564-6173. Jack and Laine from Costa Mesa,
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California are on the line, and they've got a question
for Brian Broderson and Bobby Conway. Welcome folks to Pastor's Perspective.
Hi, pastors, um, the passage that we're, that we're, uh,
been reading and, and, in hopes that you could, uh,
shed some light on and possibly even pray with us
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is James 5:14 through 16.
Um, and it's are, are any among you sick, they,
they should call the elders of the church and have
them pray over them, anointing them with oil in the
name of the Lord. And their prayer offered in faith
will heal the sick, and the Lord will make them well.
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And anyone who has committed sins will be forgiven. Confess
your sins to each other and pray for each other
so that you may be healed. The earnest prayer of
a righteous person has great power and wonderful results. And
so we just found out today that my wife Leine
um tested positive for breast cancer.
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So, we're um on lean on the Lord and um
And so we just wanted your thoughts and possibly um
I mean I have some olive oil, I mean uh
possibly some prayer, yeah.
Yeah, well, I mean, absolutely you can, and I'm sure you,
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you will pray for your wife, but the passage is
is speaking of um going to the church leadership, the
spirit spiritual leaders of the church.
And asking them to do that, um, kind of officially,
you know, coming and just we would like to be
anointed with oil. My wife has been diagnosed with breast cancer.
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Would you pray for her? And then the elders of
the church, so the elders would be the spiritual leaders
of the church, the pastors would be the way we
would normally refer to it today, um, and that's what
James is instructing, uh, the, the sick to do.
Hm. I got you. Our church.
My church is, um, we, we have, uh, an online
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thread where we read a chapter a day. It's like
12 of us. And yeah, the pastors in there, um,
but we don't have a physical church that we go to. Yeah,
we're a part of the church, but we don't go
to a building. Yeah. Or do you connect with those folks, um,
other than online? Do you guys ever meet up anywhere
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or anything like that?
Uh, no, but we're real close to you guys, and,
and I have a church building that I used to
go to, and, uh, and I am a part of
their ministry. Yeah. One of the trees, and so. Yeah,
we'll reach out to them and just let them know
that you'd like to come in and receive prayer and
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I'm sure they would love to pray for you, pray
for your wife.
OK, and so they're, they're speaking of physical members of
the church, right, yeah, OK.
Yeah, can we pray for the Dean?
Absolutely. Yeah. Lord, we do pray for Ladine and we
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know that this.
This news, um, comes with a, with a jolt, and
so we pray for your peace to be upon her,
and we pray for wisdom and how to proceed and
we pray for healing, we pray for your touch. And
so Lord, open up that door for the elders of
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the church to be able to anoint her and to
pray for her. But Lord, thank you that we don't
have to do that.
That you hear our prayers as we lift them up
to you any time and any place. So we're praying
today that you would touch and minister to Ludin in Jesus' name. Amen.
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Jesus.
Amen. Thank you for calling in, Jack, and if everyone
listening can keep Laine and Jack in your prayers, that'd
be great. Now, let's talk a little bit about the
anointing oil. Does it have, I mean, what is it about?
And what kind of oil, like Jack mentioned, olive oil.
I mean, is there some kind of, what is it?
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Because before people run out to the stores and buy
olive oil, thinking it's going to cure everything, uh, explain
the significance.
Well, there's different opinions about this, you know, um, and Bobby,
jump in anytime you want, uh, you know, some, some
people saw this, uh, you know, the good, good Christian, um,
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Bible teachers would have different perspectives on it. So somebody
like Jay Vernon McGee, who most people have heard on
this radio station for many, many years, he would look
at this as the oil was medicinal. And so this
was something that was going to
Um, you know, the properties in the, in the oil
were going to lend to the healing of the person.
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So he wasn't looking at this as, um, there was
a miraculous healing that was gonna take place. It's very,
very practical. And, and yet others, of course, would see
it as, you know, something supernatural is gonna occur, the
oil is symbolic, say, of the Holy Spirit, doesn't matter
what kind of oil it is, doesn't specify. In those days,
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of course, it would have been olive oil, um.
So, but the oil is symbolic of the Holy Spirit,
so it's symbolic of the spirit coming upon a person,
the elders are laying their hands on them, so it's,
you know, the idea is that you're being touched by
God through this and and healed through this. And of course,
I've done this many, many times, and Bobby's done this, and,
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you know, as pastors, we have anointed many people with
oil and prayed for them.
The tricky part of the passage is um kind of
what appears to be uh the promise of healing. So
the prayer of faith will save the sick and the
Lord will raise him up. So,
We've all also had the experience of laying hands on
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people and putting oil on them and praying for them
and them not recovering. So that's the challenge. OK, so what,
what is James saying here? And that's why Bobby gets
answered that part of the question because he is the
great doctor. That's right, doctor, doctor Bobby. I thought you
answered it great, you know, but what about the same thing?
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I'm like some people say medicinal, some people believe.
But there was something special to it. But what do
we do? But what do we do with the seeming
sort of almost guarantee in the, in the, you know,
language that's used there.
Well, I do think that I look at that like
I would the Book of Proverbs. Um, the book of
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James is called the New Testament, uh, Proverbs, and the
book of Proverbs, it's a mistake to take all of
those proverbs as promises. Though you can, um, read it
like that, they're almost like, I mean, Proverbs is wisdom
and James is wisdom.
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Uh, I believe that if God is in it to heal,
then the faith will do that very thing. But you
think of James, for example, uh, we know that he
died a martyr's death, or we think of Paul the Apostle.
And he had his own, you know, thorn in the flesh.
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We know that Timothy, the pastor of Ephesus, struggled with
stomach issues. So this is not a guarantee for praying
away all sickness. In other words, that would be a
real problem because we know that the reason that there's,
you know, sickness is because of the fall, and
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Faith, no matter how much faith we have, we're not
going to be able to faith away all sickness this
side of heaven. But when God is in it for
His glory to heal and faith meets him with trust,
the healing will be accomplished. But it's still not because
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of that person's faith, it's ultimately because of what God
did and God even gives the faith.
So he gets all the glory. Yeah, yeah, and, and
some have thought, and I, I think there could be
something to this, that the prayer of faith is.
The same thing as Paul talks about in Romans chapter 12,
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the gift of faith, where this is not faith that
we have that saves us, but it's a special gift
of faith at the moment that God gives where there's
a certainty to the outcome rather than, uh, you know,
we're not, we're not sure where this is gonna go. And,
and so the gift of faith is like, um, faith
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for the extraordinary, I think is a way that we could.
We could define it. And I know that um I've
experienced at times the, the gift of faith where God
had just given me faith to know.
That this particular thing was
Going to certainly um happen the way we had asked
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for it to happen, you know, so often when we're praying, we're,
you know, we're praying in faith, but we're praying with
the Lord. We don't really know what you're gonna do.
We hope, hope you're gonna do this, but when the
gift of faith is in action, there's like a certainty
to it, you know, it's not, we're wondering, uh, if
this is gonna go this way or not. We, God
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gives that faith to know that.
The healing is gonna come. So, and some have thought
that maybe that's the answer to the question of what,
what is the prayer of faith.
The important thing is to pray. There might be even
people who are listening thinking, well, maybe that's why there's
so much sickness in the world and in the church
nowadays because there's not enough of an emphasis on prayer,
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especially like this, where you actually go to the elders
of the church and they anoint you with oil.
Yeah, I, I think, you know, I, I do think
that we should, we should be more inclined toward that.
I think a lot of times we, you know, we
have modern medicine and so the natural go to is
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I got to go to the doctor, aspirin and call me, yeah,
and you know, that's fine too, but we should.
Start with prayer and see where we go from there.
Uh prayer, um, in these moments, it, it's kind of tricky, um,
when it comes to somebody asking because you want to
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pray believing.
And then yet, there's a part of you that's, you've
been in ministry a while, you've been a Christian for
a while, and you also are aware of so many
people that had greater faith than maybe yourself, right? That
you can think as you reflect on your own prayer
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and then.
You realize that these prayers weren't answered, so I, I
struggle with like that tension, you know, how do you
deal with that, Brian, when you're praying?
And you know that you believe God can heal, but
then closing out the prayer, but if you so desire
not to heal, we trust you anyway. And then that
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almost sounds like a faith cop out, but it's, it
feels like faith either way to me. Yeah, and you know,
and some people would say if you, if you include, uh,
your will be done, that right there is a lack
of faith, you know, you just, you just.
He demonstrated that he don't really have faith. Well, Jesus
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said in his prayer, not my will but yours be done.
So I think we're on good ground to say, uh, nevertheless,
your will be done. But you know what I do, um,
I always ask very specifically for healing. It's like, OK, Lord,
we're right now we're asking you to heal. That's what
we're asking you to do. And so we ask, and then,
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but
If you have a plan that we're not aware of,
then of course, we're gonna go with that plan because
we don't really have a choice. So Lord, just give
us wisdom, um, if you have something else in mind
here and the strength to go through that because, yeah, yeah.
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All right, 888-564-6173 is the number to call us for
the next 10 or 12 minutes or so. We'd love
to hear from you. Here's a question that was sent
in online from Andrea.
I work for a company where the owner says they
are a follower of Christ, but their actions don't reflect that.
How should I go about working with them when I
feel like my values are being compromised and I don't
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agree with what they are doing? Bobby, what would you
say to Andrea?
I just think in this world, we're gonna have to
know how to not allow the way other people live, uh,
influence the way that we live. We're called to be influencers,
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and when we're bumping into believers, that might not be
living it out, we might, you know, in a loving way, ask,
you know, what's going on.
Um, anything that you're struggling with, sometimes people have found
a way to rationalize their behavior in the name of scripture.
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Uh, if it's non-believers that we're dealing with, well, you
would expect that, and I would say that when you're
in an environment and the darker the culture is, uh,
if we realize our missions to be light, then the
darker it is, the greater opportunity for our light to shine. Uh,
and so we don't want to blame, uh, the darkness
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for being dark.
But if we have people professing to be in the
light that are living like the dark, then we should
just try to be a friend with them and ask
what's going on and realize that, hey, we too could
slip up and have some dark days as well and
lose our witness. Uh, so Jesus, what's so beautiful about
him is he came as the light of the world
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in a dark world.
And he influenced everywhere he went, and his prayer requests weren't, hey,
how do I get myself separated from these people? Uh,
they're going to mess me up. It was a solid faith,
and it flowed out of a connection to the Father.
He knew what his mission was, and I'd say just
remember your mission, that you're to be a disciple of
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Christ and to shine for him.
Andrea, thank you for sending in your question on Kwave.com.
Let's go down to Vista. Scott, thank you for calling
in today. How can we help you?
Gentlemen, thank you so much for taking my call, and
I gotta tell you, I listened to you on the
way home from work every day, and it's just a
pleasure to hear the show, the program of everything, all
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the subjects, all the callers and your opinions, and thank
you so much. I look forward to it every day. Well, great,
thank you, thank you, Scott.
And I'm one of these guys that lot of pastors
talk about in their uh podcasts and things I listen
to on occasion where I'm one of those new excited, uh,
guys that gave the life to Christ and I 44
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months ago I did that. That's great about it. Yeah,
that is so exciting.
Thank you so much. And um I've got my story,
my testimony as you, if you will, and um I'm
just trying to do my part uh until I can start.
Uh, continuing through Bible study and learning more and more scripture, um.
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Anyway, I just wanted to call up and say this
and thank you guys and tell you uh just a
little bit about my opinion, if you don't mind, on
the gal with the schizophrenia that wrote in or whatever. Um,
you know, I think, uh, if it's, you know, if
it's God's will, it's gonna happen here on Earth. If
it doesn't,
You just gotta be patient and, uh, if, and still,
you know, reach out and serve God as much as
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you can. And if he decides that's gonna be the
thing he's gonna do for you here on earth, then
so be it. Maybe she'll lose that, you know, and,
you know, sadly, I, I'm a type that doesn't believe
always in Western medicine, but I, I'm kind of a
natural kind of a guy, and I, but I just, I,
I just pray to God that, you know,
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This is, um, this will work for me. If it doesn't,
you've got a reason for it. And, um, and I
think that's really the thing I, I would say that
we got to take home. Is that correct?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I, I mean, I think in the
end that's, that's what we tried to encourage her with,
you know, we, we, we live on this earth in
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this day and age. It's, there's so much greed and
so much hatred and so much division and all kinds
of crazy stuff, and, uh, we have the best of foods,
the quickest access to things, the foods coming to your
door and you know it we.
Uh, we sadly as as a whole get can get
caught up in
You know, all the things like gluttony and greed and
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all that, and I, I just believe that um
If we stay focused on God, you know, we can
That we're, we're in good hands and, and I'm just
over overly excited but I also know that when I
have issues at whatever I'm going through, whether it's work
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related or personal related, I just turned over to the
Lord and you know something, uh, I stay focused and I,
you know, I, I've slipped on my thing sometimes and
I felt the wrath of that, so to speak, um.
And then I, I said no, no, no, I pushed
back and I push back and things get better and better,
and I, I say to the devil, throw it at
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me because you know what?
I'm just gonna keep pushing back against you, buddy. Good.
We'll keep doing that, Scott, and it's, it's great that
you're following Jesus for 4 months. That is fantastic and
Um, yeah, just keep pressing, pressing forward, and I'm sure that, uh,
the encouragement is appreciated. Thank you for calling in today
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here on Pastor's Perspective. Here's another online question. This one
is from Letti.
I've been asked by my daughter to respect her marriage
and not intervene, but my daughter is in a very
bad relationship. Her dad and I have been contacted many
times because the cops have been called to her home
due to their fighting that she claims has not been violent,
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but we all believe otherwise.
My daughter has told me that God wants her in
this marriage and that we need to respect her boundaries,
but I fear for her safety. I know God hates divorce,
and I would never ask her to divorce her husband,
but deep down inside, I selfishly wish she would. What
does Scripture say about this? And as a mother, how
do I just simply back off in a situation like this? Bobby,
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what would you say to Letty?
Well, this is difficult because your gut feels one thing,
but your daughter's telling you another thing. And if you
end up kind of saying what your gut thinks, then
she might say you're overreacting, or she might put boundaries
up with you, uh, or she might not feel safe
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sharing with you. So this is a tricky situation. And
yet police are being called and typically we're not calling police.
Uh, just because we're, you know, yelling at each other. Uh,
there's some kind of deeper fear going on, so my
gut would say the same thing, and, um, I guess
what I probably would try to do there is obviously,
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if you ever know anything's physical going on, uh, that's
just whether it's a parent or a pastor or a friend, uh,
you do whatever you can to help. I think.
In the meantime, uh, really just stressing to your daughter
that that instead of just saying, hey, this is what
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I believe is happening, just say something like, I hear
you saying this and I know that you're calling.
And as your mom, I just want you to know
that if there is anything else going on and you
don't even feel safe sharing with me.
I just want you to know that that anything we
can do to help protect you is of utmost importance
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to us, and I don't want to jump to conclusions
if you're telling me this, but you know how stuff
goes like this in abusive situations, people are fearful to talk.
And so even if I have to use code language
with you like.
Uh, you know, so you feel like he's getting extra
loud and that means something, uh, then you can let
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me know because if she's fearful to say, hey, he's
doing this because he might ask and then she's not
going to feel comfortable lying, then I would come up
with some kind of code language.
That would say all you have to do is let
me know this and I'm here for you. I want
to respect you. Tell her that, and I don't want
to cause drama and I don't wanna create some weird scenario,
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but you need to realize that calling police is not
a healthy thing in a marriage. Yeah, Brian, yeah.
Yeah, and I think, I think she mentioned her and
her husband are deeply concerned, understandably.
And I would say everything Bobby said, absolutely. I would
say just, you know, man, try to break through this
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with prayer, just you and your husband covenant with each other. We're,
we're gonna pray until we get a breakthrough here one
way or the other and for protection over your daughter
at that, at that same time. So that's what I
would encourage and, you know, it is hard, uh.
I, we don't know any of the details, so we
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don't know why she's insisting that she's supposed to stay
in the relationship. Um, that, that's a little bit perplexing, but, uh,
you know, prayer will, will break through it, so.
So we were talking about prayer earlier too, when it
comes to sickness, is
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And I think it is the anointing of oil and
all that that we just read about in the book
of James.
That's only mentioned for sickness. Like there's nothing, I mean,
so the, the thing about putting oil on somebody, it
doesn't talk about doing that for other, other things, yeah,
like a crazy, you know, bad marriage or a child
who's rebelling. There's nothing like that. Yeah, because I, and
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I think, you know, sickness is something that's that's out
of a person's entirely.
And yet bad behavior is not. So bad behavior needs
to be repented of, you know, it's not like you'd
like put put oil on somebody and they're gonna be nice.
They need to repent and they need to be, you know,
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convicted of their behavior is, is being sinful. So, but
praying through these strongholds, you know, there are places where
the devil.
We read in scripture that he gets a foothold in
in people's lives and it sounds like with this anger
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and and this kind of.
I mean, it sounds like there's something close to violence anyway.
You know, this is, this is the kind of stuff
that the devil gets in and really stirs up. So
I think the prayer is against those.
Dark forces and the sinful person who is the the
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perpetrator as well, praying that God would, you know, restrain
that and break through and if need be, get her
out of that situation. Bobby, 30 seconds.
I would just say that if you're a guy out
there and you struggle being verbally abusive or even physical
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with your spouse, uh, get some help. I mean, that
is like the worst form of bullying, uh, when it's
just kind of like a, a big brother just kicking
the tail out of his toddler brother. It's, it, there's
just no place for that and and realize that that's
a problem and get some help and find God's grace
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to change in that.
For sure. Thank you for those words of wisdom, Bobby,
and we are out of time. Letti, thank you for
sending in your question through the Kwave.com pastor's perspective page.
We'll talk to you again tomorrow and today's episode will
be archived on Facebook, YouTube, Instagram, and one other one,
I forget. Oh, Apple Podcasts and Spotify, not Instagram. Anyway,
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we'll talk to you tomorrow on Pastor's Perspective.
Hey, hello. Welcome to Pastor's Perspective. I'm Brian Perez. I'm
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is to call us when we're here live like today
at 888-564-6173. Brian Broderson is here. You already heard me
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introduce him, and we've also got author and apologist Doctor
Bobby Conway, the pastor of Image Church in Charlotte, North Carolina.
Hello. Well, hello. That was a long intro. I'm out
of breath.
Yeah, that was a bit long-winded, and about the same thing.
Yes, where is he going? I agree. Well, I was
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kind of distracted, you know, having to put my own
equipment together here and no respect around this place, you know,
for pastor emeritus just.
Gotta do everything yourself. Yeah, well, you know, you're not
the lead guy anymore. Yeah, I know. I mean, it's obvious.
People are just crying like, what are you doing here? Yeah.
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Do you work here? What's your name?
Uh, just having fun. Bobby, how are you doing?
I'm doing really good. Yeah, good. I think it's, uh,
it's been a nice day and just, uh, launched our
product line at pondermerch.com. And so that's pretty cool. We've got, uh,
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5 t-shirts and 5 canvases now available, uh, that correlate
to the drawings and so I designed our logo for Ponder.
And so, yeah, a lot of fun, looking forward to
seeing this clothing line.
Uh, and slapping the art on there, so we'll see
how it comes together.
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Cool, very nice. pondermerch.com. And uh so, so what kind
of products are they? T-shirts or yeah, so t-shirts and canvas.
So nice. It's the whole idea is the graphite apologist
puts out these short videos of long drawings with a
Hopefully meaningful message and then the art that I drew
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turns into t-shirt and canvas at ponder, and the idea
behind ponder is it's art that we want you to
think about that has a meaning, not just something cool.
So it's kind of two things I'm launching at once
graphite apologist and ponder.
So the tortured soul, um.
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Is that your favorite one, Brian?
That was just a product of my brain. I just
envisioned a tortured soul with just a bunch of mental
mental pictures. Yeah, that was on mental health awareness. Yeah,
that's um.
It's pretty wild. Pretty, yeah, got some today that we're done,
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5 done today, 1 on CS Lewis, 1 on.
Um, Socrates, one on Soaring Kierkegaard, and then a few others,
one coming up on, oh, another one on CS Lewis.
So I'll be doing a lot of stuff. I'm gonna
do Augustine. You'll like this, Brian, so you know, Augustine
of Hippo. So I'm gonna do a drawing of Saint Augustine,
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but I'm gonna have him riding a hippo as he's
leading the city of man headed toward the city of
God while he's reading his confessions.
I'll, I'll take that one. That'll be good. And what,
what's the Lewis one look like? Is it just, uh,
like a portrait, like a facial? Um, yeah, the CS
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Lewis one is.
Well, it's on my graphite apologist one, but it's, it's
not up as the actual video. It's basically what I
did is I, I created Aslan and I put Aslan
at a desk and then behind the desk is all
these books, but then it's the desk of CS Lewis,
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and so he's Aslan sitting there and drawing.
Very cool. That's good. Oh yeah, I see it. I see.
I see it at the desk, yes, next, next to
Francis Schaffer. Next to Francis Schaffer. That's right, yeah, and
those will all be shirts too. I just, we only
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released 5, but the Francis Schaffer one will be up and, uh,
so yeah, be, be fun. I don't know what's too
many products to put out, but you know, yeah, I
think there's, uh, this is, this is cool stuff. I
got a.
Yep, it's on Bobby's rap Topologist YouTube channel. You just
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need to get a t-shirt for everybody in the Calvary
network as a gift from you. Yeah.
There's Winston playing the guitar. I just saw that one.
Yeah that's right.
Very cool. All right. I like it. 888-564-6173 is the
number to call us today here on Pastor's Perspective, and
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let's start with a question that was sent in online.
This is from Evan who called in, you might remember Brian,
this past Friday. He had a question about, um, mediums, and, uh,
he also had a follow up regarding spirits. Can people
who passed.
Are there spirits around us and can they communicate?
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No, no, OK, that was easy. Next question. Well, that would,
that would be uh
You know, like a ghost, and there, there's no.
There's nothing in scripture that, now, of course, in scripture,
we do have spirits, yes, but they're not the spirits
of people. So, a a person's spirit, when the person's
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spirit leaves the body, the person's spirit goes to
Whatever
Depending on their, their position with God, that kind of
determines where they go, but they're in
They're in that place, be it heaven or be it
um hell, and they're not able to reaccess the the
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this realm. So, so the spirits that can access this
realm are not human spirits, but what we would call demons,
demonic spirits. Bobby.
Yeah, and I would add that
If somebody has had an experience where they feel like
a loved one maybe has shown up to them, uh,
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I don't, um, question the fact that somebody had an experience.
I question the source of the experience. So I do
believe that the demonic realm, uh, they can, you know,
appear as an angel of light and bring about deception.
So it's not unthinkable to think that demons could mimic.
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Something um of a loved one, and that's just for
the purpose of confusing theology, of creating, you know, a
sense of, you know, belief that you can talk to
the dead. I mean, I, I talked to a lady
last week that she's talking to a loved one that's
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passed on and convinced there's something going on there.
And I think as Christians that we have to put
what we see in the scriptures ahead of our experience.
So if you lose a loved one, and you feel
convinced that your loved one's communicating with you.
Well, we're up against the problem because the Bible forbids necromancy. Uh,
the Bible lets us know very clearly that, you know,
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our loved ones aren't interacting with us. So what do
we do with that experience? Well, we would go to
the scriptures and we would see that, you know, to
be absent from the bodies to be present with the
Lord if someone's a believer, but we would recognize that
even the evil one could do something.
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And you might feel good and think, well, how in
the world, you know, could a demon make me feel
good like I'm connecting with a loved one. Well, if
it means that you start to compromise scripture by putting
experiences over
The truth, then we played right into his hand.
Any other thoughts, Brian?
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Uh, well, yes and no. I mean, I, I think
just that this is real stuff, and I think we
need to keep that in mind and we need to,
as we, as we both have said, we need to
make sure that we're understanding the spirit world.
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Through the biblical lens because like, like Bobby says, you know,
there are people who do have these experiences and they
can become emotionally attached to one of these kinds of experiences,
but in doing that, they're, they're setting themselves up, you know, demons, they,
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they're on a mission. They're not benign. They're not just
gonna show up and.
Make you feel better because you miss your loved one.
They have an agenda and the agenda is destructive. So
I think, um, but sometimes they like, like Bobby referred
to the passage from Paul and Corinthians, um, Satan transforms
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himself into an angel of light and, and then Paul
goes on to say, and so it's no.
Um, big surprise that his ministers will do the same thing.
So yeah, did you ever listen to the podcast, The
Exorcist Files?
I did not.
I still think if you went back to season one,
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it's just so you know how like Justin Briley like
or Dixon, just the production is so through the roof.
It is, it is the production levels insane and I
think on like Spotify, it was the number one download
for a while there, but they just came out with
a new season.
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And the stories, uh, they're just, they're, they're mesmerizing. I,
I don't think we would agree with everything, uh, coming
out of it, but I did find it really, really, um,
just intriguing to listen to. You know, I was listening to, um, did,
did you ever listen to the Devil in the Deep
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Blue Sea podcast?
No. So somebody just mentioned that to me the other
day and it was or it is a podcast done
by Mike Cosper and remember Mike was the one who
did the uh the Mars Hill podcast. um, so it's
one of those kind of long form documentary things, but
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he was dealing with the subject of demonization, demon possession,
and he, he actually had a um.
He, he had a recording of a so-called exorcism of
being led by um
Oh, what was his name? Larson, Bob Larson. I don't
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know if you remember that name. Yeah, uh, boy, that
guy's still going and he's, it's as kooky as ever.
I was shocked, you know, because it's gotta be, gotta
be in his 80s, but I mean, you know, they're
supposedly casting out this demon and it was just wild.
I don't think they were actually casting out a demon.
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I think it was all, uh, fabricated, but, um, but anyway,
oh yeah, 81 years old, look at that.
My goodness, he's still around, still around, yeah.
All right, 888-564-6173 is the number to call us today.
And Darnell, we're gonna go to you after I read
one more question that was sent in online. This one
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is from Graciela from Anaheim. I reconciled with the Lord
eight years ago after walking away for 20 years from church.
During that time, I was an addict to meth, and
I now have schizophrenia.
Now I serve the Lord a church, yet I struggle
so bad with sinful thoughts, and I'm not being guided
from the Holy Spirit. My question is, the Lord delivered
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me from addiction and alcohol. Why doesn't he help me
in renewing my mind? Bobby, what do you tell Graciela?
Well, I mean, I do think it probably depends on
the nature of what one is struggling with. Um, uh,
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let's just say it has to do with lust. Um,
you know, there can be all sorts of connections that, uh, relationally, uh,
you get connected to and it can be a deeper
form of attachment that you struggled with. So,
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Uh, it, it, I don't think it's a God won't
deliver you. Um, it could just be that this is
the harder one of the different addictions that you may
have struggled with to deal with. Uh, you know, let's
just say it's lust. We don't know what the issue is,
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so it's hard to speak directly to it. Well, she
said it was schizophrenia. That's what she has after all
those years of doing.
Meth. She now has schizophrenia, so she's wondering why the
Lord won't, uh, OK, renew her mind. Yeah, that's, that's,
that's kind of a mental health issue that it's different. Like,
for example, you take um some of the addiction that
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you've found freedom in. Well, there's freedom in Christ to
overcome that, but when it comes to something like schizophrenia,
this is a mental health issue that requires, um, God
to do. We can't just heal ourselves from.
You know, having some of these type of, um, mental
health issues in and of ourselves. So yes, God can
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show up and heal somebody that's an addict, but if
somebody has MS or, uh, Alzheimer's or Parkinson's or schizophrenia
or borderline personality disorder, I mean, you, you can do
the work to help keep it at bay as best
as you can.
Uh, but here's the thing that's different when you're acting
out in addiction and drugs and just burying yourself, there's
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a violation there. When you're struggling with a true mental
health condition like schizophrenia, uh, you know, it could be
that maybe some of the drugs or whatever contributed.
To the cause of that, but not maybe even exclusively,
but I don't think that you're in a sense sinning
against God if you're suffering from some type of a
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mental health issue in your life. And so the key
is how do you glorify Him with this and how
do you become informed so that you um aren't incapacitated
by it? Those would be just a few thoughts. Brian.
Well,
Yeah, and, and I think too there are.
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Some situations that we are just having to, to live
with and and battle through by the grace of God.
He, he gives us the
The strength and the grace that we need to to persevere, but, um,
because the question is why hasn't God taken us away?
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And um,
You know, there, there could be some uh damage, irreversible
damage that was done by the drugs that does happen
at times. And yet I think by God's mercy, we
do have medications and things these days that can stabilize
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people with schizophrenia and allow them to live, you know,
a somewhat normal life, but of course you've always got
the issues of
The obsessive thoughts and things like that that can come
and sometimes even voices and that.
And I've known so many people over the years and
years of ministry that have battled with this and.
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And a lot of them have had the same question,
why hasn't the Lord healed me? And we don't know
the answer to that, but it, I mean, it is
a it is an, uh, it's a legitimate ailment of
of physiological nature. It's not like, you know, like mental
illness sometimes is.
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It's kind of, um, even when you talk about mental illness,
it's almost like well the mind's intangible, the mind is
non-material so then you sort of think of mental illness as.
Not related to you and your body, but of course
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your brain and your mind are in some way related.
Nobody understands exactly what the relationship is, but, but the
way your body works will affect the way your your
brain works and the way your brain works will, will
affect the way you think and and so forth. So
all of that to just say that don't, don't be
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discouraged that you haven't been healed.
Know that the Lord has
He's embraced you as his own. He's obviously forgiven your sins,
he's restored you on many levels and just keep trusting
him for the grace that he will give you to,
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to make it a kind of one day at a time,
a really good friend in the UK who.
Uh, battled with severe mental illness for many years and
came to faith and then, um, the Lord did a
lot to, to bring him to a fairly normal living experience,
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but he had lapses at times and, and one of
the things that happens a lot of times with people
who are on medication for mental illness is they.
They feel guilty that they're taking medication. They feel like, well,
if I had more faith, God would probably heal me,
so I shouldn't be on this medication. So they go
off of their medication and then their symptoms, uh, their,
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their symptoms come back, you know, sometimes with a vengeance,
and this, this happened to him a few times. I
remember where he was very stable, doing great.
Still had his struggles, but he coped and lived relatively
normal life and then he would decide, oh, I, I
can't be on these meds. I need, I need to
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get off these and he'd go off of them and
then next thing you know, he's walking down the middle
of the street naked, you know, and stuff like that. So, um,
you know, again, thank God for.
Good people in the medical world, the psychiatrist who understand
these things and can help people, um, but
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Thank God for His grace to that even sustains us
even though there's not a complete healing and there might
never be, but there could be, um, you know, Brian
Wilson died last week of the Beach Boys and he
battled with mental illness for many years. It was drug
induced probably the majority of it, um, but he battled
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through it and he came through.
The other side and lived again, you know, a, a
fairly normal life. So, um, but you have the Lord
and he's with you and and he's helping you and just,
you know, it's a day at a time Bobby.
Yeah, it would be kind of like if again.
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Mental health issues like Brian said, can be induced through
drug use. In particular, schizophrenia, if there was cocaine or
LSD usage, if somebody has a genetic predisposition, um, toward
that kind of thing that is, um, you know, Alzheimer and, and, and, and, um,
or schizophrenia, excuse me, in the parent's history, uh, that
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can kind of trigger that quicker.
Uh, but then it comes to like, let's say somebody
struggled with cutting their physical body, and they become a
believer and God delivered them from cutting, but it, it
would be kind of equivalent to saying like, well, why
doesn't God, you know, remove my scars? I mean, he
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delivered me from cutting. Well, those are scars from the
past and sometimes drug use leads to scarring and and it.
And it's something that you go, OK, I got to
figure out how to make the most of this. What
can I do to, to live in this? And so
just as sometimes people can cut and then they have
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these scars and they're delivered from that, um, use this
as an example if it was drug induced to help others, um,
you know, to stay away from it, to know what
the consequences can be if if it's used in, in,
in the kind of extremes that can produce something like that.
Graciela, thank you for sending in, I should say Graciela
Gracias for sending in your question, uh, through the Kwave.com
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pastor's perspective page, and now we're gonna go to the
phones 888-564-6173. We will start with Darnell in Fullerton. Hi there, Darnell,
thanks for calling in today.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Hey, may Christ bless all three of you. Likewise.
Regarding Isaiah, I'm sorry, Ezekiel 33:6, I realized that this
was written 23 1000 years ago. I was just wondering, um,
how does this apply to us today and who is
the watchman in 2025?
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Brian, what's say to you?
Well, I
I don't
I think um we have an equivalent.
Of that today, um, of course, Ezekiel was a prophet, uh,
directed by the Lord to prophesy concerning, uh, the nation
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of Judah. And so, you know, there are certain things
there that were just very specific to him and his calling.
And I don't think that they're necessarily transferable.
Um
That the kind of prophetic ministry that Ezekiel had, uh,
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I don't know that we have those kinds of prophetic
ministries today where people are talking about a judgment that's
coming or uh details about in times events and things,
you know, we have, we have a lot of scripture
and we have hints and indicators about, you know, what
things will look like, but whenever anybody gets
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Down to trying to get really specific about uh this
is what God told me and this is what's gonna
happen and there's going to be a judgment here, there's
gonna be an earthquake there and uh uh a massive
tsunami is gonna come and wipe this out, you know,
because these things have been predicted, but they don't, they
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never happen. So I don't, I don't know that there
is such um
An appointment by God to people with that kind of
ministry today. I think in what we call the tribulation period,
there will be that, and we know that there are
going to be two witnesses that will prophesy in Jerusalem, uh,
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during the tribulation period, and I think that they will be, uh,
they will be once again like the prophets of old.
So Bobby, what do you think?
Yeah, I agree. I mean, if you're teaching this passage,
you want to be faithful to the original context and
Ezekiel being the watchman, he's sent by God to warn
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the people of coming judgment and how to kind of
get around that, right? When it comes to an application level,
if I was teaching through this chapter.
I wouldn't want to say that we have the same message,
but I would say something like, all of us, um,
have warnings that we have to offer and sometimes God
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calls you to be a watchman in someone else's life
and you might need to
Somebody, uh, needs to hear the gospel, and they need
to be warned, uh, of, of what it looks like
to reject him or you know, it can play out, um,
you know, with the spouse warning their husband or wife
that if they don't change their behavior, it's going to
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lead to consequences or warning your kids. So there's an
element where all of us have to be willing to
be God's watchman, the message looks different.
Uh, I guess today we share the gospel to warn people.
We're sort of watchmen in that way, but then as
Pastor Brian said, you'll see more of that crystallize in
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the escaton. Yeah, and you know.
I'm, I'm listening to this, um, history on, um, Savonarola,
and some, some people would know that name. Savonarola was a, uh,
15th century, um,
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Reformer, like, like a, a Catholic uh friar who became
a reformer who was um
Considered to be.
Very prophetic and he was um he was in the
city of Florence at the time and he was predicting
judgment and doom and the French army is gonna come
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and all of this, some of which did happen, but
at the same time he was also included in that
the return of Jesus and you know, very detailed descriptions
about the the wrath of God and the judgment that
Jesus was going to bring when he came and so forth.
And so, you know, the, the places where it seemed
like he might have been getting a few things right
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in the big picture, he was getting a ton of
it wrong. And, um, you know, so and I think
this is what happens he was all involved in the
politics of, of the, the city at the time and
and and I think when when you get into that
place like, like today, if we were to start.
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Saying things very specifically about world leaders and you know
this world leader is, is, is this and he's a
type of the antichrist and he's gonna do this and
this nation's gonna do that and you know, Israel's gonna
and and some people do, they cross over the boundary
and they start speaking like they are an Old Testament prophet.
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And yet it always has proven over and over again
that um they weren't because the things that they say
uh ultimately don't happen. And so that's where you
See that uh people can really get carried away with
some of this, and especially if you get an audience
and people are listening and they want to hear more
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than you, you just keep going further down that road.
And what better way to get an audience than to
upload videos on YouTube? I mean, that's what people do
nowadays and then they got all these followers and crazy stuff, man, Darnell.
Thank you for calling us today on Pastor's Perspective. Gonna
take a break and then we'll be back with more
of your questions. Pastor Brian, tell us about the conference
going on at Calvary Chapel or the Calvary Chapel conference
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going on. The Calvary Global Network conference. Yes, it's gonna
be happening next week, as a matter of fact, 22nd
through the 25th.
At Reliance Church in Temecula, California, the Way Forward ministry
according to Jesus, it's going to be a great time
of encouragement for all of those who attend, uh, who
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are in a variety of different areas of ministry. We're
looking to encourage everybody who's serving in whatever capacity. So, conference.
Calvary Chapel.com, get all the information and you can get
registered and uh yeah, we'll be there a week from today,
we'll be there, so.
Very nice. Join us. Conference. Calvary Chapel.com. It's break time.
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We'll be back with more of your questions. Jack Ledeen,
you are coming up here on Pastor's Perspective, 888-564-6173.
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Answer the questions you might have about the Bible, the
Christian faith at 888-564-6173. Jack and Laine from Costa Mesa,
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California are on the line, and they've got a question
for Brian Broderson and Bobby Conway. Welcome folks to Pastor's Perspective.
Hi, pastors, um, the passage that we're, that we're, uh,
been reading and, and, in hopes that you could, uh,
shed some light on and possibly even pray with us
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is James 5:14 through 16.
Um, and it's are, are any among you sick, they,
they should call the elders of the church and have
them pray over them, anointing them with oil in the
name of the Lord. And their prayer offered in faith
will heal the sick, and the Lord will make them well.
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And anyone who has committed sins will be forgiven. Confess
your sins to each other and pray for each other
so that you may be healed. The earnest prayer of
a righteous person has great power and wonderful results. And
so we just found out today that my wife Leine
um tested positive for breast cancer.
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So, we're um on lean on the Lord and um
And so we just wanted your thoughts and possibly um
I mean I have some olive oil, I mean uh
possibly some prayer, yeah.
Yeah, well, I mean, absolutely you can, and I'm sure you,
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you will pray for your wife, but the passage is
is speaking of um going to the church leadership, the
spirit spiritual leaders of the church.
And asking them to do that, um, kind of officially,
you know, coming and just we would like to be
anointed with oil. My wife has been diagnosed with breast cancer.
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Would you pray for her? And then the elders of
the church, so the elders would be the spiritual leaders
of the church, the pastors would be the way we
would normally refer to it today, um, and that's what
James is instructing, uh, the, the sick to do.
Hm. I got you. Our church.
My church is, um, we, we have, uh, an online
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thread where we read a chapter a day. It's like
12 of us. And yeah, the pastors in there, um,
but we don't have a physical church that we go to. Yeah,
we're a part of the church, but we don't go
to a building. Yeah. Or do you connect with those folks, um,
other than online? Do you guys ever meet up anywhere
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or anything like that?
Uh, no, but we're real close to you guys, and,
and I have a church building that I used to
go to, and, uh, and I am a part of
their ministry. Yeah. One of the trees, and so. Yeah,
we'll reach out to them and just let them know
that you'd like to come in and receive prayer and
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I'm sure they would love to pray for you, pray
for your wife.
OK, and so they're, they're speaking of physical members of
the church, right, yeah, OK.
Yeah, can we pray for the Dean?
Absolutely. Yeah. Lord, we do pray for Ladine and we
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know that this.
This news, um, comes with a, with a jolt, and
so we pray for your peace to be upon her,
and we pray for wisdom and how to proceed and
we pray for healing, we pray for your touch. And
so Lord, open up that door for the elders of
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the church to be able to anoint her and to
pray for her. But Lord, thank you that we don't
have to do that.
That you hear our prayers as we lift them up
to you any time and any place. So we're praying
today that you would touch and minister to Ludin in Jesus' name. Amen.
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Jesus.
Amen. Thank you for calling in, Jack, and if everyone
listening can keep Laine and Jack in your prayers, that'd
be great. Now, let's talk a little bit about the
anointing oil. Does it have, I mean, what is it about?
And what kind of oil, like Jack mentioned, olive oil.
I mean, is there some kind of, what is it?
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Because before people run out to the stores and buy
olive oil, thinking it's going to cure everything, uh, explain
the significance.
Well, there's different opinions about this, you know, um, and Bobby,
jump in anytime you want, uh, you know, some, some
people saw this, uh, you know, the good, good Christian, um,
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Bible teachers would have different perspectives on it. So somebody
like Jay Vernon McGee, who most people have heard on
this radio station for many, many years, he would look
at this as the oil was medicinal. And so this
was something that was going to
Um, you know, the properties in the, in the oil
were going to lend to the healing of the person.
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So he wasn't looking at this as, um, there was
a miraculous healing that was gonna take place. It's very,
very practical. And, and yet others, of course, would see
it as, you know, something supernatural is gonna occur, the
oil is symbolic, say, of the Holy Spirit, doesn't matter
what kind of oil it is, doesn't specify. In those days,
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of course, it would have been olive oil, um.
So, but the oil is symbolic of the Holy Spirit,
so it's symbolic of the spirit coming upon a person,
the elders are laying their hands on them, so it's,
you know, the idea is that you're being touched by
God through this and and healed through this. And of course,
I've done this many, many times, and Bobby's done this, and,
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you know, as pastors, we have anointed many people with
oil and prayed for them.
The tricky part of the passage is um kind of
what appears to be uh the promise of healing. So
the prayer of faith will save the sick and the
Lord will raise him up. So,
We've all also had the experience of laying hands on
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people and putting oil on them and praying for them
and them not recovering. So that's the challenge. OK, so what,
what is James saying here? And that's why Bobby gets
answered that part of the question because he is the
great doctor. That's right, doctor, doctor Bobby. I thought you
answered it great, you know, but what about the same thing?
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I'm like some people say medicinal, some people believe.
But there was something special to it. But what do
we do? But what do we do with the seeming
sort of almost guarantee in the, in the, you know,
language that's used there.
Well, I do think that I look at that like
I would the Book of Proverbs. Um, the book of
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James is called the New Testament, uh, Proverbs, and the
book of Proverbs, it's a mistake to take all of
those proverbs as promises. Though you can, um, read it
like that, they're almost like, I mean, Proverbs is wisdom
and James is wisdom.
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Uh, I believe that if God is in it to heal,
then the faith will do that very thing. But you
think of James, for example, uh, we know that he
died a martyr's death, or we think of Paul the Apostle.
And he had his own, you know, thorn in the flesh.
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We know that Timothy, the pastor of Ephesus, struggled with
stomach issues. So this is not a guarantee for praying
away all sickness. In other words, that would be a
real problem because we know that the reason that there's,
you know, sickness is because of the fall, and
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Faith, no matter how much faith we have, we're not
going to be able to faith away all sickness this
side of heaven. But when God is in it for
His glory to heal and faith meets him with trust,
the healing will be accomplished. But it's still not because
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of that person's faith, it's ultimately because of what God
did and God even gives the faith.
So he gets all the glory. Yeah, yeah, and, and
some have thought, and I, I think there could be
something to this, that the prayer of faith is.
The same thing as Paul talks about in Romans chapter 12,
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the gift of faith, where this is not faith that
we have that saves us, but it's a special gift
of faith at the moment that God gives where there's
a certainty to the outcome rather than, uh, you know,
we're not, we're not sure where this is gonna go. And,
and so the gift of faith is like, um, faith
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for the extraordinary, I think is a way that we could.
We could define it. And I know that um I've
experienced at times the, the gift of faith where God
had just given me faith to know.
That this particular thing was
Going to certainly um happen the way we had asked
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for it to happen, you know, so often when we're praying, we're,
you know, we're praying in faith, but we're praying with
the Lord. We don't really know what you're gonna do.
We hope, hope you're gonna do this, but when the
gift of faith is in action, there's like a certainty
to it, you know, it's not, we're wondering, uh, if
this is gonna go this way or not. We, God
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gives that faith to know that.
The healing is gonna come. So, and some have thought
that maybe that's the answer to the question of what,
what is the prayer of faith.
The important thing is to pray. There might be even
people who are listening thinking, well, maybe that's why there's
so much sickness in the world and in the church
nowadays because there's not enough of an emphasis on prayer,
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especially like this, where you actually go to the elders
of the church and they anoint you with oil.
Yeah, I, I think, you know, I, I do think
that we should, we should be more inclined toward that.
I think a lot of times we, you know, we
have modern medicine and so the natural go to is
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I got to go to the doctor, aspirin and call me, yeah,
and you know, that's fine too, but we should.
Start with prayer and see where we go from there.
Uh prayer, um, in these moments, it, it's kind of tricky, um,
when it comes to somebody asking because you want to
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pray believing.
And then yet, there's a part of you that's, you've
been in ministry a while, you've been a Christian for
a while, and you also are aware of so many
people that had greater faith than maybe yourself, right? That
you can think as you reflect on your own prayer
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and then.
You realize that these prayers weren't answered, so I, I
struggle with like that tension, you know, how do you
deal with that, Brian, when you're praying?
And you know that you believe God can heal, but
then closing out the prayer, but if you so desire
not to heal, we trust you anyway. And then that
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almost sounds like a faith cop out, but it's, it
feels like faith either way to me. Yeah, and you know,
and some people would say if you, if you include, uh,
your will be done, that right there is a lack
of faith, you know, you just, you just.
He demonstrated that he don't really have faith. Well, Jesus
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said in his prayer, not my will but yours be done.
So I think we're on good ground to say, uh, nevertheless,
your will be done. But you know what I do, um,
I always ask very specifically for healing. It's like, OK, Lord,
we're right now we're asking you to heal. That's what
we're asking you to do. And so we ask, and then,
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but
If you have a plan that we're not aware of,
then of course, we're gonna go with that plan because
we don't really have a choice. So Lord, just give
us wisdom, um, if you have something else in mind
here and the strength to go through that because, yeah, yeah.
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All right, 888-564-6173 is the number to call us for
the next 10 or 12 minutes or so. We'd love
to hear from you. Here's a question that was sent
in online from Andrea.
I work for a company where the owner says they
are a follower of Christ, but their actions don't reflect that.
How should I go about working with them when I
feel like my values are being compromised and I don't
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agree with what they are doing? Bobby, what would you
say to Andrea?
I just think in this world, we're gonna have to
know how to not allow the way other people live, uh,
influence the way that we live. We're called to be influencers,
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and when we're bumping into believers, that might not be
living it out, we might, you know, in a loving way, ask,
you know, what's going on.
Um, anything that you're struggling with, sometimes people have found
a way to rationalize their behavior in the name of scripture.
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Uh, if it's non-believers that we're dealing with, well, you
would expect that, and I would say that when you're
in an environment and the darker the culture is, uh,
if we realize our missions to be light, then the
darker it is, the greater opportunity for our light to shine. Uh,
and so we don't want to blame, uh, the darkness
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for being dark.
But if we have people professing to be in the
light that are living like the dark, then we should
just try to be a friend with them and ask
what's going on and realize that, hey, we too could
slip up and have some dark days as well and
lose our witness. Uh, so Jesus, what's so beautiful about
him is he came as the light of the world
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in a dark world.
And he influenced everywhere he went, and his prayer requests weren't, hey,
how do I get myself separated from these people? Uh,
they're going to mess me up. It was a solid faith,
and it flowed out of a connection to the Father.
He knew what his mission was, and I'd say just
remember your mission, that you're to be a disciple of
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Christ and to shine for him.
Andrea, thank you for sending in your question on Kwave.com.
Let's go down to Vista. Scott, thank you for calling
in today. How can we help you?
Gentlemen, thank you so much for taking my call, and
I gotta tell you, I listened to you on the
way home from work every day, and it's just a
pleasure to hear the show, the program of everything, all
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the subjects, all the callers and your opinions, and thank
you so much. I look forward to it every day. Well, great,
thank you, thank you, Scott.
And I'm one of these guys that lot of pastors
talk about in their uh podcasts and things I listen
to on occasion where I'm one of those new excited, uh,
guys that gave the life to Christ and I 44
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months ago I did that. That's great about it. Yeah,
that is so exciting.
Thank you so much. And um I've got my story,
my testimony as you, if you will, and um I'm
just trying to do my part uh until I can start.
Uh, continuing through Bible study and learning more and more scripture, um.
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Anyway, I just wanted to call up and say this
and thank you guys and tell you uh just a
little bit about my opinion, if you don't mind, on
the gal with the schizophrenia that wrote in or whatever. Um,
you know, I think, uh, if it's, you know, if
it's God's will, it's gonna happen here on Earth. If
it doesn't,
You just gotta be patient and, uh, if, and still,
you know, reach out and serve God as much as
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you can. And if he decides that's gonna be the
thing he's gonna do for you here on earth, then
so be it. Maybe she'll lose that, you know, and,
you know, sadly, I, I'm a type that doesn't believe
always in Western medicine, but I, I'm kind of a
natural kind of a guy, and I, but I just, I,
I just pray to God that, you know,
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This is, um, this will work for me. If it doesn't,
you've got a reason for it. And, um, and I
think that's really the thing I, I would say that
we got to take home. Is that correct?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I, I mean, I think in the
end that's, that's what we tried to encourage her with,
you know, we, we, we live on this earth in
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this day and age. It's, there's so much greed and
so much hatred and so much division and all kinds
of crazy stuff, and, uh, we have the best of foods,
the quickest access to things, the foods coming to your
door and you know it we.
Uh, we sadly as as a whole get can get
caught up in
You know, all the things like gluttony and greed and
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all that, and I, I just believe that um
If we stay focused on God, you know, we can
That we're, we're in good hands and, and I'm just
over overly excited but I also know that when I
have issues at whatever I'm going through, whether it's work
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related or personal related, I just turned over to the
Lord and you know something, uh, I stay focused and I,
you know, I, I've slipped on my thing sometimes and
I felt the wrath of that, so to speak, um.
And then I, I said no, no, no, I pushed
back and I push back and things get better and better,
and I, I say to the devil, throw it at
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me because you know what?
I'm just gonna keep pushing back against you, buddy. Good.
We'll keep doing that, Scott, and it's, it's great that
you're following Jesus for 4 months. That is fantastic and
Um, yeah, just keep pressing, pressing forward, and I'm sure that, uh,
the encouragement is appreciated. Thank you for calling in today
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here on Pastor's Perspective. Here's another online question. This one
is from Letti.
I've been asked by my daughter to respect her marriage
and not intervene, but my daughter is in a very
bad relationship. Her dad and I have been contacted many
times because the cops have been called to her home
due to their fighting that she claims has not been violent,
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but we all believe otherwise.
My daughter has told me that God wants her in
this marriage and that we need to respect her boundaries,
but I fear for her safety. I know God hates divorce,
and I would never ask her to divorce her husband,
but deep down inside, I selfishly wish she would. What
does Scripture say about this? And as a mother, how
do I just simply back off in a situation like this? Bobby,
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what would you say to Letty?
Well, this is difficult because your gut feels one thing,
but your daughter's telling you another thing. And if you
end up kind of saying what your gut thinks, then
she might say you're overreacting, or she might put boundaries
up with you, uh, or she might not feel safe
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sharing with you. So this is a tricky situation. And
yet police are being called and typically we're not calling police.
Uh, just because we're, you know, yelling at each other. Uh,
there's some kind of deeper fear going on, so my
gut would say the same thing, and, um, I guess
what I probably would try to do there is obviously,
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if you ever know anything's physical going on, uh, that's
just whether it's a parent or a pastor or a friend, uh,
you do whatever you can to help. I think.
In the meantime, uh, really just stressing to your daughter
that that instead of just saying, hey, this is what
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I believe is happening, just say something like, I hear
you saying this and I know that you're calling.
And as your mom, I just want you to know
that if there is anything else going on and you
don't even feel safe sharing with me.
I just want you to know that that anything we
can do to help protect you is of utmost importance
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to us, and I don't want to jump to conclusions
if you're telling me this, but you know how stuff
goes like this in abusive situations, people are fearful to talk.
And so even if I have to use code language
with you like.
Uh, you know, so you feel like he's getting extra
loud and that means something, uh, then you can let
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me know because if she's fearful to say, hey, he's
doing this because he might ask and then she's not
going to feel comfortable lying, then I would come up
with some kind of code language.
That would say all you have to do is let
me know this and I'm here for you. I want
to respect you. Tell her that, and I don't want
to cause drama and I don't wanna create some weird scenario,
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but you need to realize that calling police is not
a healthy thing in a marriage. Yeah, Brian, yeah.
Yeah, and I think, I think she mentioned her and
her husband are deeply concerned, understandably.
And I would say everything Bobby said, absolutely. I would
say just, you know, man, try to break through this
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with prayer, just you and your husband covenant with each other. We're,
we're gonna pray until we get a breakthrough here one
way or the other and for protection over your daughter
at that, at that same time. So that's what I
would encourage and, you know, it is hard, uh.
I, we don't know any of the details, so we
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don't know why she's insisting that she's supposed to stay
in the relationship. Um, that, that's a little bit perplexing, but, uh,
you know, prayer will, will break through it, so.
So we were talking about prayer earlier too, when it
comes to sickness, is
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And I think it is the anointing of oil and
all that that we just read about in the book
of James.
That's only mentioned for sickness. Like there's nothing, I mean,
so the, the thing about putting oil on somebody, it
doesn't talk about doing that for other, other things, yeah,
like a crazy, you know, bad marriage or a child
who's rebelling. There's nothing like that. Yeah, because I, and
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I think, you know, sickness is something that's that's out
of a person's entirely.
And yet bad behavior is not. So bad behavior needs
to be repented of, you know, it's not like you'd
like put put oil on somebody and they're gonna be nice.
They need to repent and they need to be, you know,
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convicted of their behavior is, is being sinful. So, but
praying through these strongholds, you know, there are places where
the devil.
We read in scripture that he gets a foothold in
in people's lives and it sounds like with this anger
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and and this kind of.
I mean, it sounds like there's something close to violence anyway.
You know, this is, this is the kind of stuff
that the devil gets in and really stirs up. So
I think the prayer is against those.
Dark forces and the sinful person who is the the
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perpetrator as well, praying that God would, you know, restrain
that and break through and if need be, get her
out of that situation. Bobby, 30 seconds.
I would just say that if you're a guy out
there and you struggle being verbally abusive or even physical
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with your spouse, uh, get some help. I mean, that
is like the worst form of bullying, uh, when it's
just kind of like a, a big brother just kicking
the tail out of his toddler brother. It's, it, there's
just no place for that and and realize that that's
a problem and get some help and find God's grace
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to change in that.
For sure. Thank you for those words of wisdom, Bobby,
and we are out of time. Letti, thank you for
sending in your question through the Kwave.com pastor's perspective page.
We'll talk to you again tomorrow and today's episode will
be archived on Facebook, YouTube, Instagram, and one other one,
I forget. Oh, Apple Podcasts and Spotify, not Instagram. Anyway,
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we'll talk to you tomorrow on Pastor's Perspective.
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