June 23, 2025 • 56 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
Hello. Excuse me, hello and welcome to Pastor's Perspective. I
am so sorry. It's Friday, June 20th, 2025. We are
here live on the radio until 4 o'clock this afternoon,
and we would love to chat with you. 888-564-6173 is
our number. You can send in your questions online too,
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but the best way to get an answer is to
call us when we're here at 888-564-6173.
And Brian Broderson is here. He's the pastor emeritus of
Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa. Last time he'll be here for
a couple of weeks, so if you've got a question
for him, call in today, because he's gonna be at
the Calvary Global Network conference next week, and then, uh,
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he'll be traveling. So call up today at 888-564-6173. Hello, Brian. Well, hello, Brian.
What's going on? Well, you know, I'm in moving mode.
As dad and grandpa been uh loading up.
The truck hauling away the furniture and getting it situated
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in my daughter's new place. Now I don't see Cheryl
here today, so isn't it her that's loading up the furniture? Well,
she's packing up, yeah, so she's packing up. I mean,
you know, we're, we're right down to the wire. We
have a conference that's starting Sunday.
Um, and then, you know, next week we're back in
New York with our other children and a and a
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grandchild graduation and so it's pretty wild, pretty crazy, yes,
and had uh emergency car repair and a dryer went
out and we had to get a new one.
And we have painters at the house, so yeah, you know,
if anybody thinks pastors live some sort of different life, uh,
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we don't, we just live a normal life like everybody else,
full of crazy moments, frustrating moments. I went to my
daughter's new place today to um unload some stuff and
as I pulled up, I saw the, the water company
was there and.
I that just crossed my mind like what what are
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they doing here? And then before I could say anything, they,
they left. And so I was putting stuff, you know,
away in the house and and I just had this
thought like, I gotta check the water.
Went over, checked the water, they had turned it off.
I went out to the meter, they had a big
old paddle lock on it. So, I mean, it was like,
oh my gosh, they turned the electricity off the other day,
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then they turned the water off today. So, you know,
they're moving into this place and the, the, you know,
people they're renting from said, oh yeah, you've got 2
weeks till, uh, you know, after the 20th, you got
2 weeks to get all your um utilities sorted out
and everything, but no, no, no.
So I am just thanking God that he let me
see that water truck because I would have never thought
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about it and then we would have moved them all
down and they would have gone to turn on the
faucet and there would be no water and it's the
weekend and there would be no water company to come
and turn it back on. So by the grace of God.
We got it sorted. Oh, good, good. So the water's
back on and everything. Yes, they came right before I left.
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Oh good, back on and happy to. So anyway, yeah,
that's been my day, Brian Perez.
My day not as hectic as yours. I can't complain, but, uh,
good to have you here. Thank you for, uh, adding
to your craziness by coming in here and, uh, you
could have just called out and, uh, we would have
figured something out. I could have just said, hey, could
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you do a, um, you know, like a recording? Yes,
I could have said that. We would have scrambled and
gotten one somehow from the archives or something, and we
would have played and I did say that for a minute, didn't, yeah,
you did. But then you said never mind. I'd sent
a text.
Say never mind. Before I could see the first message
you had sent the second one that said never mind. Yeah, well,
I was, I was on my way back from there
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and I'm thinking, gosh, am I even gonna make it
and but here I am.
Yay, glad you're here. All right, good to be here.
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that's what Lawrence did today.
He walks in, he sees me, and goes, Are you Brian?
I said, Yes. He goes, Oh, so we chatted for
a few minutes and he asked for prayer for his
daughter Zoe, and then he said, Oh, I do have
a question for you guys. So, Lawrence, nice meeting you
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today if you're listening right now. He wanted to know
about the Assyrians, and he said that Pastor Chuck has
always said that all the Assyrians were
You know, wiped out and all, but as an Uber driver,
he'll meet people and on 3 different occasions, oh, so
where are you from? Oh, we're Assyrian. Yeah. And he thought,
wait a minute, I thought they were all gone. So
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who are these people? Yeah, um, yeah, we, as a
matter of fact, I, I don't think Chuck ever said
the Assyrians were wiped out. There's a difference between I might,
I might have used the wrong word. Yeah, I mean,
you know, the Canaanites, of course, were, were wiped out,
but the Assyrians we had.
Uh, some families in the church that were, um, Assyrian.
And so Assyria is, um, now kind of Iraq, uh, Armenia,
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you know, tho those kind of there's a.
Part part of that uh Iraq area I think is
where modern day Assyrians would come from.
And
Yeah, so, and you know, oftentimes they will talk about.
Uh, the, the family in the church, I remember that
I knew from who were assyrian Christians, they would, they
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were very proud in a good way to
Say that, you know, we have been Christians for 2000
years and, you know, going right back, you know, as
a as a people back to those earliest days of
the church. So, so yeah, so they are um part
of that world.
OK. And they're, they're, I mean, they're a distinct ethnicity
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as well, but they're very small. And they're not Syrians.
No yeah, Syrians are are different. Yeah. As Syria, Assyria was, so,
you know, you look at Iraq today and Iraq it
was ancient Babylon, it was ancient Assyria as well, but
they were different parts of what we know today as Iraq.
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So Syria, Syria was more
Yeah, looking, thinking of a map, it's kind of more
in the.
Um, eastern, northern eastern side and then um.
Uh, Babylon was, was a little more, I think Southwestern.
And so, yeah, see, look at the uh you see
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ay there.
Well, it was there. OK, there it is. Yeah.
So anyway,
Got it. That's what you got. All righty. Very good. Lawrence,
thank you for asking me your question earlier today when
I was at lunch. 888-564-6173 is our number, and here's
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another one that was sent in online. It is from
Martha on Instagram. She sent a video and uh did,
can't you guys send us videos and stuff like that,
sometimes we don't have the
Manpower or anything to watch them all the way through.
I had no idea how long this video was either,
because I clicked on it. There's no little timer on it,
so I'm like, am I gonna be sitting here watching
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this for 45 minutes? I don't have that time. So,
but there was a caption on the video that says,
Is America supposed to back the current political state of
Israel under all circumstances?
Uh, no, and especially under all circumstances, no.
Um, I mean, America.
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You know, America's not supposed to do anything, really. I mean,
you know, that this is a country, and uh we're
gonna make decisions based on what our
Uh, elected officials believe is the thing to do at
the time. Some people are gonna agree with what they
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decide to do, some people are gonna disagree with what
they decide to do, but, um, but to say, you know,
that there's a blanket, yes, America has to endorse everything
Israel does, there, there's nothing in the Bible that would
say that. Um, but I think on many levels, I
think it's uh the right thing for America to do.
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And backing Israel, when you consider what Israel is is
seeking to accomplish, which is free the world from the
threat of uh a nuclear situation, which Iran is uh determined.
To bring about and have been very.
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Vocal about it and you know, somebody said the other day,
and I think there's a lot of truth that since
1979 Iran has been at war with the US and
through terrorism primarily. And so you think of Hamas, you
think of Hezbollah, you think of the Houthis, you know,
all of these groups are proxies of Iran, and so
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Iran is is really
Kind of the number one,
Sponsor of terrorism throughout the world. Uh, so, uh, Israel.
In doing what they did for their own.
Protection to keep themselves from being obliterated as Iran has
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promised to do, they're actually indirectly doing a big favor
for the whole world, but
I mean, quite frankly, people are so stupid, they can't
see it. And so, you know, sometimes you just think,
you gotta get your head on straight here because this, you,
you think Iran is not a real threat? I mean,
look at the Iranian people. Look at, look at what
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they go through. 800, I just saw this 880 something
people were hanged in Iran for opposition to the government.
You know, it's like,
And some of them were kids, 5 of them were kids. Yeah,
and it was like a, a lady took off her,
you know, her hijab or, uh, you know, they said
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something that was, um, deemed disrespectful or or something like that,
you know, horrific crimes and, you know, they, they're taken
out in their, they're hands. So this is a
This is a murderous regime that I know ever since
I remember when the Ayatollah came to power in the 1970s, 1979,
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and uh you know, they've been shaking their fist and
cursing the great Satan, which is the US ever since. So, yeah.
Martha, thanks for sending in your question. I hope that
helps you. Now we'll go to the phones and we've
got Mark in San Diego with another question about Israel.
Go ahead, Mark, thanks for calling in today.
Oh boy. I'll tell you what, God, Brian, I'm so,
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I'm amazed that you're talking about this right now. I
was just driving down the road thinking about this whole thing,
and I'll cut right to the chase. What I've heard
is that Israel doesn't have the kind of bomb to
take out that last nuclear facility. I know we're not
supposed to do politics, but like Brian says, these guys
are bad news.
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Uh, if I'm firmly believe if we don't take out
that last nuclear site they have, they could develop an
atom bomb, and I think they're crazy enough to, to
drop one on Israel or on America. And so I
was just gonna ask, I get a look in my throat.
I was going to ask if we could pray that
Trump would make the right decision. He's supposed to make
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a decision in the next week or so that we
could just pray as an audience and as a group
of Christians, uh, that Trump would make the right choice
on that or any of, uh, what you, your take
on it, you guys, OK.
Yeah, we're, we're, you know, we're praying that this situation
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would be resolved, um, and, and like I said, they're
the Iranian people, so 80% of the, of the Iranian
population does not support the government. So 20% of the 20%
of the population ruled the other 80%.
So it was a um a religious coup back in
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the 1970s when the Ayatollah came in, the Shah was
driven out. And so they've been under this radical Islamist
Shiite thing for, you know, a long, long, long time.
And um we've seen a few years ago we saw
that there were uprisings among the people that looked like
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the the regime might be toppled, but it was um
subdued by the regime. It looked like an opportunity where
Westerners could have come in and maybe, you know, helped,
but they didn't. And so we're, we, we have a
population 90 million people in Iran.
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And so 80% of the population lives under this radical,
radical um regime.
And
A regime that is committed to
World dominance and destruction along the way if that's what's necessary.
So I, I think, you know,
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I, I mean, this is just my opinion. What, you know,
what do I know, but I think this, this looks
like an opportune moment. Um, but I listened to an
interesting interview yesterday with um a expert, uh uh a
physicist and an expert in all of the going all
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the way back to the Iraq war was boots on
the ground, going into Iraq and dealing with the uranium
and all that Saddam Hussein.
Had stockpiled and so this person said something interesting because
we've all heard about this, um, the need for this
um bunker busting bomb, uh, to eliminate the the Forow um.
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Facility. And he actually said, although that would do it, obviously, um,
nobody has the capacity to do that except the US, uh,
but he said Israel actually could take out Fordow without it.
So he thinks that they
He, he doesn't necessarily think that the US will have
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to get involved, which was interesting to me because, you know,
going into listening to the interview, I was, that was
my thinking as well. And then to hear what he said.
And you know, this is a guy with 40 years
of experience of, you know, this is his world, so I, OK, interesting.
But yes, we need to pray and we need to
pray for the Iranian people because of course, and you know,
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Israel is not targeting civilians like the Iranians are and
like Hamas did and like Hezbollah would do. uh Israel
is targeting military, um.
Sites and you know, infrastructure that has to do with
their capacity to make a nuclear war. So.
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But yes, Lord, we pray for help, and we pray for,
you know, people making decisions, uh, that the right decisions
would be made for the right outcome for what you're
doing in the world today.
In Jesus' name. Amen. Amen. Mark, thank you for calling
in today on Pastor's Perspective. 888-564-6173 is our number, and
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now we're going to talk to Joe in Orange County.
Thanks for calling us today, Joe. How can we help you?
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Uh, thanks for taking my call. Yeah, I was, uh,
just wondering about the, the First Timothy 2 passage on, um,
you know, woman, submissiveness, no authority over men, um, rather,
she has to remain quiet. Um, I think in recent,
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in just the past few months, I've seen this used
a lot.
Um, usually in a kind of demeaning, degrading way towards women,
and I was thinking, I wonder if there's any more
context to this that you guys would be able to provide.
And the reason why I say that is, um, I
actually heard, uh, I was at a workshop by a
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biola professor who um talked about the
The history and the culture and the values of the
people that were being written to for First Corinthians. And
it just brought so much more insight into why Paul
was writing about honor and wisdom versus foolishness, and I
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was like, wow, that's, that's really insightful. I wonder if
there's something kind of like that for this passage if
he's speaking to a specific situation. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah, good, great question, Joe. And um, yeah, I think, um, I,
I don't even think you have to look so, so
deeply into the culture to recognize if you, if you really,
you know, if you really spent some time just looking
at the text, it's obvious that Paul is addressing something
that is happening right before Timothy's eyes. And so it's
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a very specific um issue.
And you know, the word women, here, here's one thing
that's a little bit challenging, the word woman or wife
is the same word. So is he talking to women
in general or about women in general? Is he talking
about wives? I, I think there's a good reason to
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think that he's talking about wives, uh, specific wives in
a specific situation who are trying to take over the church.
So he says, um,
I, I do not permit a woman to um teach
or to exercise authority over the man. Uh, the word
to exercise authority actually means to usurp authority, it means
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to take it.
So this is a situation, it seems to me that
uh is what's happening right there in Ephesus, certain women
in the church are basically trying to to take over
the church and Paul says, no, this is not this
is not right and this is not what's to be done.
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Uh, I don't think that the text, and then the
First Corinthians text that speaks about women keeping silent in
the church and so forth. I think in all of those,
if you look closely at the context, uh, when Paul
is speaking to the Corinthian situation, the speech that he's
talking about or the or the silence that they, that
he's calling for is in relation to disruptive activity. It's
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not just simply like, hey, at church, women can't can't
do anything, they can't talk.
And we know that because earlier in 1 Corinthians in
the 11th chapter, he talks about women praying and prophesying
in the church, and he talks about it in a
way like it's, it's fine, it's, it's a, you know,
it's OK. It's, it's what it's what's happening. He doesn't
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criticize it or correct it or anything. Um, so when
you go back to the Timothy passage, I think it
When, when Paul gives the, uh, kind of like, OK,
this is what I want you to do instead, this
is where it becomes crystal clear that he's talking about
wives because he says the the kind of the answer
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to this problem of trying to take over is, um,
Child rearing.
Um, it, it says bear bearing children, and it's and
it says that um,
You know, she shall be saved through childbearing. Now, this
is where it gets really perplexing. It's like, what in
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the world is Paul talking about? He's saying that women
Are saved through bearing kids well.
Only if we fail to realize that the word saved
doesn't always mean what we usually think it means. So
we think saved means salvation, like, you know, eternal salvation,
not going to hell, my sins are forgiven, and so forth.
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The word saved just it could easily be translated delivered.
So it could be, seems to me like Paul is saying, OK, these,
you know, these women are trying to do this, or
trying to take over.
Uh, they're not to do that, and they will be
delivered from this, um, effort if they focus on the
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thing that God has given them to do, and in
this case, it's to take care of their families.
So
Paul is clearly talking to married women.
That that's something that a lot of people aren't seeing.
It's not, he can't be talking to women in general
because not every woman is married, not every woman has kids. Uh,
Paul was associated with women in the ministry who were
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single women, Phoebe, for example. Um, so that wouldn't even
apply to her because she didn't have any kids to
take care of. So,
So all that to say, I think if you just
think harder about the passage, and that's without going into
maybe the cultural aspects that were also uh a factor
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in what Paul was saying. But I, and I do
think that those have a place to understand that Adam
and Eve part is where it gets sometimes it's like, OK,
what does he mean by, well, Adam came first, uh,
Eve was deceived, um, so,
The conclusion is that women are more prone to deception,
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so that's what Paul is talking about. That's why women
can't teach. But, um, I think history could easily verify
that that's not even the case. There's been more men
have been deceived spiritually, but, but the cultural background is that, uh,
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because this was the city where Diana or Artemis was
the goddess of the city.
That there was the idea that the woman came first.
And so Paul is correcting that by saying, no, the
man came first, not the woman. So anyway, there there's
a lot there, um, I personally do not think that
Paul is saying, uh, women can't teach a mixed group of, um,
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Christians that they can't teach the Bible publicly, that they
can't teach doctrine. I, I don't think that Paul is
saying that there.
What do you think, Joe?
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Thank you. Uh, no, that was very helpful. I appreciate it. Thanks.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
All right, thank you. Yes, very in-depth answer there. Now,
is there a better way to study the Bible, to
study God's word, so that
The average person would know that like woman and wife
are the same word and usurping authority and exercising authority,
the difference between that and because there's so much in
there that sometimes we read it at face value and we,
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and I mean this is where, uh, you know, God
did ordained pastors and teachers, you know, people that he,
he gives to teach and so I think we have
the responsibility to
I, I don't, I don't necessarily think that the average
Christian has to do the deep dive and just find
out like all, all of this kind of stuff. But
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this is, this is what our job is. Our job
is to do this. And you know, for many years,
I would have just looked at it on a, on
a more surface level and drawn the same conclusion, basically. Um,
I might have applied it a little bit differently, but
I would draw that same conclusion. Uh, today, I, there
was a point in my life where nobody.
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Influenced me. It wasn't like I read a book and
I thought, oh my gosh, I've got this all wrong.
I just started thinking more deeply about the passage as
I was teaching it and thinking, I don't, I don't
know if this says exactly what I've been thinking that
it says over the years, you know, and then I've
I've listened to and read others who now there is the.
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You know, my, my position.
Is that Paula is not prohibiting a woman from teaching.
But he is prohibiting them from taking control of the church.
So a woman who is in submission to the leadership
of the church, if she is gifted to teach, I
think that that's fine for her to teach. I, I
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think when it comes to the primary leadership of the
church or the, the overseer, the word is the the episcopas,
it's commonly the bishop, um.
I, I do think that Paul explains who is to
be in that role right in the next verses when
he says, if a man desires the office of the overseer,
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he desires a good thing, and so forth. And he
goes on to talk about, you know, uh the qualifications for,
for that role. But it's in the context of that
kind of leadership that I think women have a lot
more freedom than maybe we have uh given them.
In the past, at least some, and, and still for
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some in the present, obviously, you know, for some people
this is like a hill to die on. It's like,
oh my gosh, you know, you.
A lot of women to preach. I mean, oh my goodness, you're,
it's a slippery slope, you know, you're, you're on your
way down to the slippery slope. Yes, we've heard that before.
All right, 888-564-6173 is our number. Here's a question that
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was sent in on Instagram from Johnny in Tustin. I
think I know Johnny. Johnny's question is about Proverbs 9:10,
which reads in the CSB, the fear of the Lord
is the beginning of wisdom, and the knowledge of the
Holy One is understanding.
So John says I was reading that and I, um, uh,
first of all, I know that fear can mean respect
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or to trust in, so would it be all right
if I were to say, trusting in the Lord is
the beginning of wisdom. And then the second half of
the verse, and the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding,
what does that mean? Can you elaborate on that phrase?
Yeah, um, trusting in the Lord, I think is, is
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probably not strong enough. I think that fear, fear meaning respect,
that's reverence, respect, you know, giving God the the honor
that is due to him. Uh, the, the Lord said,
said this, um, to the people of Israel, to the
prophet Jeremiah, he said.
Um, don't you fear me? he said, don't you realize
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that I actually put the boundaries on the sea so
that the waves can go no further? I say to
the waves go this far and go no further. Um,
think about that. So when you think about God,
Remember, he puts the boundaries on the sea. So that's
that's someone that we should really stand in awe of,
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and that that's the idea too, standing in awe of him. So, uh,
the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom
and the knowledge of the holy is understanding. So, understanding,
you know, we live our lives based on understanding. We
make decisions based on our understanding of things. So,
What the Proverbs is telling us that that at the
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foundational level.
We, if, if we have the knowledge of the Lord,
we will have the proper understanding.
To live life the way it's supposed to be lived.
Very good, Johnny, thank you for sending in your question
on the pastor's perspective Instagram, and we're going to take
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a break now. 888-564-6173 is the number to call if
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Here's a question that was sent in through Kwave.com. It's
from Renee. Jesus told the apostles that they will do
greater miracles than Him.
That if they have faith and ask a mountain to move,
it will move. From his time until now, do we
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have any evidence of someone with the great faith he
is speaking about doing something so miraculous like moving a mountain.
Uh, don't, you have to understand that Jesus, like, um,
all of us at times would use what is called hyperbole.
And you know, hyperbole is, is, you know, saying something
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to make a point that is not necessarily literally the
case like I am starving to death. That is hyperbole.
I might be hungry, but I'm not starving to death.
So when Jesus is trying to just show them the
importance of faith, he uses some hyperbole when he says
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something like, you can say to this mountain bee.
Removed and cast into the midst of the sea, and
it's going to do what you said. If you, if
you have faith the size of a monster seed. So
he wants them to understand the power of faith. Uh,
there's no record anywhere in history, and of course, if,
if that did happen, I think it would have happened
through the apostles, and we would have it recorded somewhere.
In the book of Acts, you know, Paul was journeying
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through this mountain pass and actually they couldn't get through,
so he just spoke a word and the mountain dissolved
and he walked, you know, but, but that didn't happen so.
Yeah, so, uh, and then Jesus has greater works than these. Um,
when you think about what Jesus did, there's no way
you could do any greater works than Jesus did. I mean,
he raised the dead, you know, he gave sight to
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the blind. He gave a speech to the those who
couldn't speak and uh hearing to the deaf and cleanse
the lepers and all of that. So you, you can't
do any better than that. Um, but what would happen
is that, uh, greater in
Uh, number. So Jesus is here for a period of time.
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It's a limited period of time. He's limited locationally. He's
only in one place, but when the gospel goes out
through his followers empowered by the Holy Spirit, these works
are going to be multiplied, um, innumerably on time. So
that would be the greater, I think that's the greater
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that he's referring to. Some people say, oh, the greater
work is the work of
Um, bringing people to, um, a saving knowledge of Jesus. And, OK,
that's fine too.
So like, it's like in math, when we, greater than
less than.
That kind of thing. So it's, it's a numerical value,
not necessarily. I, I, I never claimed to be a mathematician,
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so don't start bringing math into this. You've had coffee
today though. You can do a little bit of math.
I've had 2 coffees today. 2, see? You should be
able to do at least a little bit of math. Really?
Does coffee help you do math? Well, all I know
is that early in the morning before coffee, yeah, I
couldn't balance my checkbook or anything, but Renee, thank you
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for sending in your question online. And, uh, here's another
online question. It's from Marisol, and, uh, she writes, How
do I know if my marriage to my husband is
truly from God?
How do I know if we are or are not
meant for each other? We truly love one another and
are committed to one another, but no matter how hard
we try to get out of a storm, we just
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can't get out of it. We've been stuck for 9 years.
Sometimes I wonder if God is telling us we're just
not meant for each other, if we should separate to
see if our life gets better without one another being
in each other's lives.
Well, I think that you have the wrong idea that
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that God's will is, is going to be decided.
By
How well your life is going, and that's not necessarily
the case because uh not only do we have lots
and lots of examples in the Bible that show us
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that that's not the case. I'll give you a quick one.
Joseph in the Old Testament, remember Joseph, he was sold
into slavery and cast into prison and went through a
13 year ordeal, um, where he had been rejected by
his brothers and so forth.
Now that was not pleasant at all. And yet this
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was God working out his plan and purpose through Joseph
to get him to the place where he would eventually
come into a position of power in order to save
his family from the famine that was coming in the world. Um,
but of course, he might have looked at his life
and thought, you know, there's a lot of trouble here.
I must be out of the will of God. What
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am I doing?
But he wasn't. And Jesus said, in the world you
will have trouble. So you're, you're gonna have difficulty, you're
gonna have challenges. You love each other. I think this
is a question that shouldn't even come up. Don't even
ask this question. Yes, it's God's will that you're married.
You're married. So that's, it's too late to ask the question,
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is it God's will, uh, that's already determined. Married, it's
God's will that you stay married.
And it's God's will that you seek Him together and
as you do that.
Doesn't mean everything's gonna get better overnight or even in
9 years, um, but it does mean that you're on
the right path to progress and the Lord's gonna bring you, uh,
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through these times. My wife and I have been married
45 years, and you know, at 10 years, we, we
had some rough patches, and at 15 years we had
some rough passage, and at 20 years we had some
rough passage.
Patches, patches, that's the word, yeah, so and you know
we're still going. So because we committed to each other,
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we stood up there and said, you know, in the
presence of God in this company we took vows of
love and faithfulness to one another and then you just
stick with it.
Through thick and thin, through richer or poorer, through sickness
and in health. Now are those those words aren't in
the Bible per se. Those words actually were crafted in
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the 16th century by the Archbishop of Canterbury, Thomas Cranmer.
Yes, I did not know that. Yes, it's a trivia question.
Now I'm ready for Trivial Pursuit tonight. Yeah, Thomas Kremer,
he was the
Uh, he was the archbishop that was, um, burned at
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the stake by, um.
By Bloody Mary. Oh my. Mhm.
That wasn't nice. No, no, not at all. I don't
think she should have done that. All right, 888-564-6173. Here's
another online question. It's from Christian on Facebook about Ephesians 2:15.
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Which reads, having abolished in his flesh the enmity that
is the law of commandments contained in ordinances so as
to create in himself one new man from the two,
thus making peace. So Christian wants to know, can someone
explain this verse, especially where it says that the law
is enmity.
Yeah, the, the enmity of the law is that uh
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the law condemns us and so the law is is
against us in regard to the fact that uh because
we failed to keep it.
We are condemned by it.
But Jesus took that condemnation on himself. Jesus died in
our place for our violations of the law, so he
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removed that, um, that, that passage is talking about how
the law, it separated us from God and it separated
Jews and Gentiles from one another.
And so Jesus took it and he nailed it to
the cross. He, he wiped it out by fulfilling it
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in his flesh, uh, and fulfilling it on our behalf.
And so we're no longer in that position where the
law is our judge, um.
Jesus took that judgment.
Christian, thank you for sending in your question on Facebook Messenger.
And now we've got uh Cathy and Wendy, whose questions
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are very similar, so let's knock them both out at
the same time, shall we? Cathy asks.
I have a question about adultery. If someone divorces due
to irreconcilable differences and then remarries, isn't that person considered
an adulterer according to the Bible? Does that mean they
won't go to heaven even if they are Christians? Would
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you or have you ever counseled couples seeking divorce under
these terms that they would have to live the rest
of their lives in celibacy to avoid becoming adulterers?
And Wendy's question, Scripture seems to say that men nor
women can remarry if they have been previously divorced, but
there are many, many marriages that consist of previously divorced
men and women. I'm confused.
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Right.
Yeah, these, these are
These are good questions. They're they're hard. Um, I think
the first thing you have to take into consideration is
that
There, there's not a um.
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One size fits all here. You have to look at
every situation. Uh, for example, um, there is a biblical
basis for divorce. So if, um,
If a person is a victim in an in an
adulterous situation, then that person is free to remarry. Uh,
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the perpetrator is not free to remarry.
Um, so let's just say the perpetrator does get remarried.
Are they living in a continued state of adultery? Well,
until they really repent, I think they're living in a
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state that that is sinful. uh, but to repent doesn't
necessarily mean that you can go back and reverse everything
you've done.
So God knows the heart, and there's when when a
person is genuinely repentant,
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God knows that. So I've, I've known people over the
years who
Let's just say in a in a marital situation, they
were guilty. They, they sinned against their spouse, uh, they
went off and got remarried and started a new life
and sometimes the whole time talk tried to talk themselves into,
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you know, God understands and he he's with me and
and you know, he forgives me and and all of that.
And basically fooling themselves, but then.
There is a moment of reckoning.
And they do have a a real awakening and they really,
really recognize how wrong they've been, the fact that they
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have sinned against God, they've sinned against their spouse, and
even though they can't reverse what they've done, there is
a genuine repentance that comes. They go back to the
person that they left and they say, you know what,
I'm completely guilty and I'm sorry and I sinned against
you and please forgive me, and so on.
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Now that's a contrite heart and when that is a genuine.
Response, then I think we can expect that God forgives
that and and so you go on with your life,
you're you're always going to, when you willfully sin, you're
always gonna have consequences to that. You know, it's like
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um like David, you know, David sins he commits adultery
with Bathsheba.
And not only that, but he's, he, um, you know,
is responsible for the for the death of her husband
in order to try to hide his own sin.
And God forgives him. Nathan calls him out on it. David,
you are the man, and David says, you're right, I
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am the man. God forgives him, but there's consequences that
David is going to live with now for the rest
of his life. And the immediate consequences that the child
that Bathsheba is pregnant with is going to die at birth,
and then the extended consequences are going to be the
things that you see happen.
In the family of David as time goes on, where
his one of his sons, Amnan, he rapes his daughter Tamar,
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who's the half sister of his other son, Absalom, and
Absalom is gonna kill uh Amman Amnan and uh it's
just gonna be one.
You know, terrible thing after another. As a consequence, David
is forgiven, David is still God's man and all of that,
but he's, but he now has to live with these things, so.
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Yeah.
Cathy and Wendy, thank you, ladies for sending in your
question through Kwave.com. 888-564-6173 is the number John dialed to
call in today from Escondido. Hey, John, how can we
help you today?
Yeah, hi, I was uh curious about where the story
of Peter being crucified upside down came from because he
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wasn't worthy to die the same way Jesus.
Yeah, that that is a tradition, um, and I'm not
sure who if if there is a source, like an
exact source where it is written.
Um, it could be something like, uh, Eusebius, the early
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church historian, he recorded, you know, some things like that,
but I don't, I don't know where that
Originated, although, like you said, it's, it's not in the Bible. Uh,
did it really happen? Maybe likewise John John being boiled
in oil.
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Again, it's a, it's another, it's another tradition and, you know,
it comes, it comes down to us uh again with
that one, I'm not sure the source either if there
is an actual written source on it or just allusions
to it um but the funny thing is, you know.
I, I, this is, this is where you have to
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really be.
You kind of have to be on your guard when
it comes to these traditional types of things, you know,
some of them are are great and legit, uh, and
you know, some of the sources, you're like, oh yeah, uh,
the source is reliable, this is what they said about this.
But then you see they said, you know, something else
over here you're like, wait, wait a second, that doesn't
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sound right to me, so.
Um, yeah.
Well, if you know your scripture, then you'll just stick
to that, right? Yeah, I mean, that's the that's the
best thing, but what is it? OK, so here, Brian
pulled up a website, it says, um, this is AI, AI. Well,
you know, AI is good. I mean, OK, so according
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to Christian tradition, Peter was crucified upside down. This tradition
is based on the belief that he felt unworthy and
so on. The story originates uh from the acts of Peter. OK, well,
I didn't know that.
Um, at a late 2nd century apocryphal text and uh
later writings by the church fathers. OK, so that's good.
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So then you have church tradition, you have later church
fathers like Origin of Alexandria and Jerome also mentioned this
tradition of further solidifying it in Christian lore.
So, so the Acts of Peter is another book that's
out there that would be, this would be an apocryphal book, uh,
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a book that obviously was not and then the John
Boy and oil comes from the writings of Tertullian, according
to AI.
OK, yeah, yeah, it knows a lot from the writings
of Tulian, who mentioned it as a widely known event
around 200 AD. Uh, it is said that the Roman
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Emperor Domitian ordered John to be plunged into boiling oil,
but he emerged unharmed, seemingly unscathed, and so, OK, well.
Right, you know,
I don't doubt it. Take it, take it or leave it.
I mean, you know, it, it might have been.
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We'll know when we get there. For a long time.
I've been listening for years and years, so I just,
I love the show, and I just wanna thank you
all for what you do. Great. Well, well, thanks for
that question because it made us, uh, you know, cause
I've I've heard that for years and I'm, I've probably
even mentioned John being boiled in oil. I don't think
I ever did.
I, I, I've always been a little bit skeptical about
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the upside down crucifixion of Peter. Really, yeah, I don't know.
It just seems a bit apocryphal to me, but you
never know. You never know. What are the other ones
that some, uh, well, Son and two, we do read
that in Hebrews that did happen, yeah, but I'm talking
about with the apostles. Yeah, with the apostles, you know,
Fox's Book of martyrs is kind of the place where
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most of this stuff is, uh, accessible.
Um, and he compiled it from over over the centuries
he he wrote in the 17th century, I think, um.
So, and, and you know, I've read Fox's Book of
Martyrs years ago, and even as I was reading it,
I thought, you know, some of these stories just sound
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so fantastical. I don't know that I actually
Um
Believe them.
All right, very good. Uh, here's another Facebook question. It
is from Denise, and she wants to know how to
go about handling my brother-in-law. He's upset with any family
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members or church members who voted for Donald Trump. He said,
look what we voted for, because ICE is taking the immigrants.
He's a Christian and I just don't know how to
handle the situation.
Um
Well, uh, I mean, I don't know either. I mean
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he's your brother-in-law.
Well, uh, you know, any anybody like that, I think
what
I think what we need to do is we need
to um.
We just need to be gracious, um.
We, we don't need to apologize if, if we've, you know,
we made a decision to vote in one direction, and
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we thought it was a better option than the other direction.
And I think you just have to let people feel
the way they feel about this stuff. I don't think
you need to convince them that they're right and or
or you're right and they're wrong or vice versa. Um.
You know, I did a little devotional yesterday, uh, here
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on Kwave and the verse that I focused on was
Philippians 4:5 and it says, let your graciousness be known
to all people. But another way to translate that is
let your reasonableness.
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So it sounds like your brother-in-law is being a bit
unreasonable because he thinks that, you know, he's got the
right take on everything. You're probably not gonna change his mind.
So I would think that it's probably the best to
just agree to disagree on this and just say, oh, OK, well,
you know, I respect your opinion. I respect what you
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feel about that, but uh I don't necessarily feel the
same way and try to
As much as depends on you, live peaceably with all people,
Paul said in in Romans, and I think that that's
all we can do.
Yes indeed. Yes, indeed. All right, so one more question
that was sent in online, this one is uh
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For Cheryl, who I thought was gonna come in today,
but she didn't, so you're gonna have to answer for Cheryl,
and I know you can do that because I know Cheryl, yes.
Patricia wrote in, I would like to get recommendations for
solid Bible study lesson books, maybe input from Cheryl if
she's available. We are a handful of women who love
God and would love to get deeper in the word.
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Our small group spans from new believers to seasoned Christians, mothers, grandmothers,
college graduates, etc. I lean more towards verse by verse study,
but I'm open to anything. I've loved studying Max Lucado,
Warren Weirsby, Priscilla Shire, to name a few, something easy
enough for a new believer and rich enough for someone
that has been going to church for a while. Thank
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you so much for your input. I listen to the
show every weekday on my way home. It's been a blessing.
Well, I can, I can easily answer that. Um, Cheryl
over the years has uh written along with a team,
she has written some fantastic, uh, Bible studies for the
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women's ministry that she led for so many years. And
so I would highly recommend any and all of those
and they there's probably 10 or 12 different.
Uh, options there. I know they recently did the, the
Book of Colossians, that was kind of her swan song. Uh,
she finished up with the women's ministry here, but she
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wrote that, um, along with uh a team over the years. Uh,
her and a girl named Jasmine used to be her
ministry partner. They wrote a lot together, then Jasmine moved on,
and Cheryl had a team that they would all work
together on those, but um there's there's ones that are
more in depth.
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And
Kind of, you know, a bigger sort of a workbook,
and then they ended up doing uh some, some smaller
ones that were a little, you know, some people, maybe
it was a little bit challenging to to go through
a whole thick workbook. And so they did some um
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Some smaller versions, like I can't remember what they called them,
but Brian, you're looking at that page, gracious words, um.
Joyful life lessons that that would be the the place
to go there.
Ah, yes, gracious words.com, that's Cheryl's website, and if you
click on resources, you'll get to this page here. So
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these lessons have all been written by Cheryl and her
team at Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa.
Are these the ones that we're talking about? Yeah, these
are they. These are they. These be them. So check
them out at graciouswords.com under resources. Patricia, thank you for
sending in your question online, which is one of the
many ways that you can get your question to us.
The best way is to call us when we're here
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Right, I will not, but John Chubik, my friend, is
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talk to you next week on Pastor's Perspective.
Hello. Excuse me, hello and welcome to Pastor's Perspective. I
am so sorry. It's Friday, June 20th, 2025. We are
here live on the radio until 4 o'clock this afternoon,
and we would love to chat with you. 888-564-6173 is
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call us when we're here at 888-564-6173.
And Brian Broderson is here. He's the pastor emeritus of
Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa. Last time he'll be here for
a couple of weeks, so if you've got a question
for him, call in today, because he's gonna be at
the Calvary Global Network conference next week, and then, uh,
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he'll be traveling. So call up today at 888-564-6173. Hello, Brian. Well, hello, Brian.
What's going on? Well, you know, I'm in moving mode.
As dad and grandpa been uh loading up.
The truck hauling away the furniture and getting it situated
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in my daughter's new place. Now I don't see Cheryl
here today, so isn't it her that's loading up the furniture? Well,
she's packing up, yeah, so she's packing up. I mean,
you know, we're, we're right down to the wire. We
have a conference that's starting Sunday.
Um, and then, you know, next week we're back in
New York with our other children and a and a
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grandchild graduation and so it's pretty wild, pretty crazy, yes,
and had uh emergency car repair and a dryer went
out and we had to get a new one.
And we have painters at the house, so yeah, you know,
if anybody thinks pastors live some sort of different life, uh,
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we don't, we just live a normal life like everybody else,
full of crazy moments, frustrating moments. I went to my
daughter's new place today to um unload some stuff and
as I pulled up, I saw the, the water company
was there and.
I that just crossed my mind like what what are
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they doing here? And then before I could say anything, they,
they left. And so I was putting stuff, you know,
away in the house and and I just had this
thought like, I gotta check the water.
Went over, checked the water, they had turned it off.
I went out to the meter, they had a big
old paddle lock on it. So, I mean, it was like,
oh my gosh, they turned the electricity off the other day,
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then they turned the water off today. So, you know,
they're moving into this place and the, the, you know,
people they're renting from said, oh yeah, you've got 2
weeks till, uh, you know, after the 20th, you got
2 weeks to get all your um utilities sorted out
and everything, but no, no, no.
So I am just thanking God that he let me
see that water truck because I would have never thought
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about it and then we would have moved them all
down and they would have gone to turn on the
faucet and there would be no water and it's the
weekend and there would be no water company to come
and turn it back on. So by the grace of God.
We got it sorted. Oh, good, good. So the water's
back on and everything. Yes, they came right before I left.
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Oh good, back on and happy to. So anyway, yeah,
that's been my day, Brian Perez.
My day not as hectic as yours. I can't complain, but, uh,
good to have you here. Thank you for, uh, adding
to your craziness by coming in here and, uh, you
could have just called out and, uh, we would have
figured something out. I could have just said, hey, could
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you do a, um, you know, like a recording? Yes,
I could have said that. We would have scrambled and
gotten one somehow from the archives or something, and we
would have played and I did say that for a minute, didn't, yeah,
you did. But then you said never mind. I'd sent
a text.
Say never mind. Before I could see the first message
you had sent the second one that said never mind. Yeah, well,
I was, I was on my way back from there
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and I'm thinking, gosh, am I even gonna make it
and but here I am.
Yay, glad you're here. All right, good to be here.
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today if you're listening right now. He wanted to know
about the Assyrians, and he said that Pastor Chuck has
always said that all the Assyrians were
You know, wiped out and all, but as an Uber driver,
he'll meet people and on 3 different occasions, oh, so
where are you from? Oh, we're Assyrian. Yeah. And he thought,
wait a minute, I thought they were all gone. So
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who are these people? Yeah, um, yeah, we, as a
matter of fact, I, I don't think Chuck ever said
the Assyrians were wiped out. There's a difference between I might,
I might have used the wrong word. Yeah, I mean,
you know, the Canaanites, of course, were, were wiped out,
but the Assyrians we had.
Uh, some families in the church that were, um, Assyrian.
And so Assyria is, um, now kind of Iraq, uh, Armenia,
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you know, tho those kind of there's a.
Part part of that uh Iraq area I think is
where modern day Assyrians would come from.
And
Yeah, so, and you know, oftentimes they will talk about.
Uh, the, the family in the church, I remember that
I knew from who were assyrian Christians, they would, they
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were very proud in a good way to
Say that, you know, we have been Christians for 2000
years and, you know, going right back, you know, as
a as a people back to those earliest days of
the church. So, so yeah, so they are um part
of that world.
OK. And they're, they're, I mean, they're a distinct ethnicity
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as well, but they're very small. And they're not Syrians.
No yeah, Syrians are are different. Yeah. As Syria, Assyria was, so,
you know, you look at Iraq today and Iraq it
was ancient Babylon, it was ancient Assyria as well, but
they were different parts of what we know today as Iraq.
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So Syria, Syria was more
Yeah, looking, thinking of a map, it's kind of more
in the.
Um, eastern, northern eastern side and then um.
Uh, Babylon was, was a little more, I think Southwestern.
And so, yeah, see, look at the uh you see
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ay there.
Well, it was there. OK, there it is. Yeah.
So anyway,
Got it. That's what you got. All righty. Very good. Lawrence,
thank you for asking me your question earlier today when
I was at lunch. 888-564-6173 is our number, and here's
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another one that was sent in online. It is from
Martha on Instagram. She sent a video and uh did,
can't you guys send us videos and stuff like that,
sometimes we don't have the
Manpower or anything to watch them all the way through.
I had no idea how long this video was either,
because I clicked on it. There's no little timer on it,
so I'm like, am I gonna be sitting here watching
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this for 45 minutes? I don't have that time. So,
but there was a caption on the video that says,
Is America supposed to back the current political state of
Israel under all circumstances?
Uh, no, and especially under all circumstances, no.
Um, I mean, America.
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You know, America's not supposed to do anything, really. I mean,
you know, that this is a country, and uh we're
gonna make decisions based on what our
Uh, elected officials believe is the thing to do at
the time. Some people are gonna agree with what they
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decide to do, some people are gonna disagree with what
they decide to do, but, um, but to say, you know,
that there's a blanket, yes, America has to endorse everything
Israel does, there, there's nothing in the Bible that would
say that. Um, but I think on many levels, I
think it's uh the right thing for America to do.
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And backing Israel, when you consider what Israel is is
seeking to accomplish, which is free the world from the
threat of uh a nuclear situation, which Iran is uh determined.
To bring about and have been very.
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Vocal about it and you know, somebody said the other day,
and I think there's a lot of truth that since
1979 Iran has been at war with the US and
through terrorism primarily. And so you think of Hamas, you
think of Hezbollah, you think of the Houthis, you know,
all of these groups are proxies of Iran, and so
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Iran is is really
Kind of the number one,
Sponsor of terrorism throughout the world. Uh, so, uh, Israel.
In doing what they did for their own.
Protection to keep themselves from being obliterated as Iran has
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promised to do, they're actually indirectly doing a big favor
for the whole world, but
I mean, quite frankly, people are so stupid, they can't
see it. And so, you know, sometimes you just think,
you gotta get your head on straight here because this, you,
you think Iran is not a real threat? I mean,
look at the Iranian people. Look at, look at what
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they go through. 800, I just saw this 880 something
people were hanged in Iran for opposition to the government.
You know, it's like,
And some of them were kids, 5 of them were kids. Yeah,
and it was like a, a lady took off her,
you know, her hijab or, uh, you know, they said
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something that was, um, deemed disrespectful or or something like that,
you know, horrific crimes and, you know, they, they're taken
out in their, they're hands. So this is a
This is a murderous regime that I know ever since
I remember when the Ayatollah came to power in the 1970s, 1979,
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and uh you know, they've been shaking their fist and
cursing the great Satan, which is the US ever since. So, yeah.
Martha, thanks for sending in your question. I hope that
helps you. Now we'll go to the phones and we've
got Mark in San Diego with another question about Israel.
Go ahead, Mark, thanks for calling in today.
Oh boy. I'll tell you what, God, Brian, I'm so,
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I'm amazed that you're talking about this right now. I
was just driving down the road thinking about this whole thing,
and I'll cut right to the chase. What I've heard
is that Israel doesn't have the kind of bomb to
take out that last nuclear facility. I know we're not
supposed to do politics, but like Brian says, these guys
are bad news.
(12:34):
Uh, if I'm firmly believe if we don't take out
that last nuclear site they have, they could develop an
atom bomb, and I think they're crazy enough to, to
drop one on Israel or on America. And so I
was just gonna ask, I get a look in my throat.
I was going to ask if we could pray that
Trump would make the right decision. He's supposed to make
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a decision in the next week or so that we
could just pray as an audience and as a group
of Christians, uh, that Trump would make the right choice
on that or any of, uh, what you, your take
on it, you guys, OK.
Yeah, we're, we're, you know, we're praying that this situation
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would be resolved, um, and, and like I said, they're
the Iranian people, so 80% of the, of the Iranian
population does not support the government. So 20% of the 20%
of the population ruled the other 80%.
So it was a um a religious coup back in
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the 1970s when the Ayatollah came in, the Shah was
driven out. And so they've been under this radical Islamist
Shiite thing for, you know, a long, long, long time.
And um we've seen a few years ago we saw
that there were uprisings among the people that looked like
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the the regime might be toppled, but it was um
subdued by the regime. It looked like an opportunity where
Westerners could have come in and maybe, you know, helped,
but they didn't. And so we're, we, we have a
population 90 million people in Iran.
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And so 80% of the population lives under this radical,
radical um regime.
And
A regime that is committed to
World dominance and destruction along the way if that's what's necessary.
So I, I think, you know,
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I, I mean, this is just my opinion. What, you know,
what do I know, but I think this, this looks
like an opportune moment. Um, but I listened to an
interesting interview yesterday with um a expert, uh uh a
physicist and an expert in all of the going all
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the way back to the Iraq war was boots on
the ground, going into Iraq and dealing with the uranium
and all that Saddam Hussein.
Had stockpiled and so this person said something interesting because
we've all heard about this, um, the need for this
um bunker busting bomb, uh, to eliminate the the Forow um.
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Facility. And he actually said, although that would do it, obviously, um,
nobody has the capacity to do that except the US, uh,
but he said Israel actually could take out Fordow without it.
So he thinks that they
He, he doesn't necessarily think that the US will have
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to get involved, which was interesting to me because, you know,
going into listening to the interview, I was, that was
my thinking as well. And then to hear what he said.
And you know, this is a guy with 40 years
of experience of, you know, this is his world, so I, OK, interesting.
But yes, we need to pray and we need to
pray for the Iranian people because of course, and you know,
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Israel is not targeting civilians like the Iranians are and
like Hamas did and like Hezbollah would do. uh Israel
is targeting military, um.
Sites and you know, infrastructure that has to do with
their capacity to make a nuclear war. So.
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But yes, Lord, we pray for help, and we pray for,
you know, people making decisions, uh, that the right decisions
would be made for the right outcome for what you're
doing in the world today.
In Jesus' name. Amen. Amen. Mark, thank you for calling
in today on Pastor's Perspective. 888-564-6173 is our number, and
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now we're going to talk to Joe in Orange County.
Thanks for calling us today, Joe. How can we help you?
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Uh, thanks for taking my call. Yeah, I was, uh,
just wondering about the, the First Timothy 2 passage on, um,
you know, woman, submissiveness, no authority over men, um, rather,
she has to remain quiet. Um, I think in recent,
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in just the past few months, I've seen this used
a lot.
Um, usually in a kind of demeaning, degrading way towards women,
and I was thinking, I wonder if there's any more
context to this that you guys would be able to provide.
And the reason why I say that is, um, I
actually heard, uh, I was at a workshop by a
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biola professor who um talked about the
The history and the culture and the values of the
people that were being written to for First Corinthians. And
it just brought so much more insight into why Paul
was writing about honor and wisdom versus foolishness, and I
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was like, wow, that's, that's really insightful. I wonder if
there's something kind of like that for this passage if
he's speaking to a specific situation. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah, good, great question, Joe. And um, yeah, I think, um, I,
I don't even think you have to look so, so
deeply into the culture to recognize if you, if you really,
you know, if you really spent some time just looking
at the text, it's obvious that Paul is addressing something
that is happening right before Timothy's eyes. And so it's
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a very specific um issue.
And you know, the word women, here, here's one thing
that's a little bit challenging, the word woman or wife
is the same word. So is he talking to women
in general or about women in general? Is he talking
about wives? I, I think there's a good reason to
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think that he's talking about wives, uh, specific wives in
a specific situation who are trying to take over the church.
So he says, um,
I, I do not permit a woman to um teach
or to exercise authority over the man. Uh, the word
to exercise authority actually means to usurp authority, it means
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to take it.
So this is a situation, it seems to me that
uh is what's happening right there in Ephesus, certain women
in the church are basically trying to to take over
the church and Paul says, no, this is not this
is not right and this is not what's to be done.
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Uh, I don't think that the text, and then the
First Corinthians text that speaks about women keeping silent in
the church and so forth. I think in all of those,
if you look closely at the context, uh, when Paul
is speaking to the Corinthian situation, the speech that he's
talking about or the or the silence that they, that
he's calling for is in relation to disruptive activity. It's
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not just simply like, hey, at church, women can't can't
do anything, they can't talk.
And we know that because earlier in 1 Corinthians in
the 11th chapter, he talks about women praying and prophesying
in the church, and he talks about it in a
way like it's, it's fine, it's, it's a, you know,
it's OK. It's, it's what it's what's happening. He doesn't
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criticize it or correct it or anything. Um, so when
you go back to the Timothy passage, I think it
When, when Paul gives the, uh, kind of like, OK,
this is what I want you to do instead, this
is where it becomes crystal clear that he's talking about
wives because he says the the kind of the answer
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to this problem of trying to take over is, um,
Child rearing.
Um, it, it says bear bearing children, and it's and
it says that um,
You know, she shall be saved through childbearing. Now, this
is where it gets really perplexing. It's like, what in
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the world is Paul talking about? He's saying that women
Are saved through bearing kids well.
Only if we fail to realize that the word saved
doesn't always mean what we usually think it means. So
we think saved means salvation, like, you know, eternal salvation,
not going to hell, my sins are forgiven, and so forth.
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The word saved just it could easily be translated delivered.
So it could be, seems to me like Paul is saying, OK, these,
you know, these women are trying to do this, or
trying to take over.
Uh, they're not to do that, and they will be
delivered from this, um, effort if they focus on the
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thing that God has given them to do, and in
this case, it's to take care of their families.
So
Paul is clearly talking to married women.
That that's something that a lot of people aren't seeing.
It's not, he can't be talking to women in general
because not every woman is married, not every woman has kids. Uh,
Paul was associated with women in the ministry who were
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single women, Phoebe, for example. Um, so that wouldn't even
apply to her because she didn't have any kids to
take care of. So,
So all that to say, I think if you just
think harder about the passage, and that's without going into
maybe the cultural aspects that were also uh a factor
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in what Paul was saying. But I, and I do
think that those have a place to understand that Adam
and Eve part is where it gets sometimes it's like, OK,
what does he mean by, well, Adam came first, uh,
Eve was deceived, um, so,
The conclusion is that women are more prone to deception,
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so that's what Paul is talking about. That's why women
can't teach. But, um, I think history could easily verify
that that's not even the case. There's been more men
have been deceived spiritually, but, but the cultural background is that, uh,
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because this was the city where Diana or Artemis was
the goddess of the city.
That there was the idea that the woman came first.
And so Paul is correcting that by saying, no, the
man came first, not the woman. So anyway, there there's
a lot there, um, I personally do not think that
Paul is saying, uh, women can't teach a mixed group of, um,
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Christians that they can't teach the Bible publicly, that they
can't teach doctrine. I, I don't think that Paul is
saying that there.
What do you think, Joe?
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Thank you. Uh, no, that was very helpful. I appreciate it. Thanks.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
All right, thank you. Yes, very in-depth answer there. Now,
is there a better way to study the Bible, to
study God's word, so that
The average person would know that like woman and wife
are the same word and usurping authority and exercising authority,
the difference between that and because there's so much in
there that sometimes we read it at face value and we,
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and I mean this is where, uh, you know, God
did ordained pastors and teachers, you know, people that he,
he gives to teach and so I think we have
the responsibility to
I, I don't, I don't necessarily think that the average
Christian has to do the deep dive and just find
out like all, all of this kind of stuff. But
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this is, this is what our job is. Our job
is to do this. And you know, for many years,
I would have just looked at it on a, on
a more surface level and drawn the same conclusion, basically. Um,
I might have applied it a little bit differently, but
I would draw that same conclusion. Uh, today, I, there
was a point in my life where nobody.
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Influenced me. It wasn't like I read a book and
I thought, oh my gosh, I've got this all wrong.
I just started thinking more deeply about the passage as
I was teaching it and thinking, I don't, I don't
know if this says exactly what I've been thinking that
it says over the years, you know, and then I've
I've listened to and read others who now there is the.
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You know, my, my position.
Is that Paula is not prohibiting a woman from teaching.
But he is prohibiting them from taking control of the church.
So a woman who is in submission to the leadership
of the church, if she is gifted to teach, I
think that that's fine for her to teach. I, I
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think when it comes to the primary leadership of the
church or the, the overseer, the word is the the episcopas,
it's commonly the bishop, um.
I, I do think that Paul explains who is to
be in that role right in the next verses when
he says, if a man desires the office of the overseer,
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he desires a good thing, and so forth. And he
goes on to talk about, you know, uh the qualifications for,
for that role. But it's in the context of that
kind of leadership that I think women have a lot
more freedom than maybe we have uh given them.
In the past, at least some, and, and still for
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some in the present, obviously, you know, for some people
this is like a hill to die on. It's like,
oh my gosh, you know, you.
A lot of women to preach. I mean, oh my goodness, you're,
it's a slippery slope, you know, you're, you're on your
way down to the slippery slope. Yes, we've heard that before.
All right, 888-564-6173 is our number. Here's a question that
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was sent in on Instagram from Johnny in Tustin. I
think I know Johnny. Johnny's question is about Proverbs 9:10,
which reads in the CSB, the fear of the Lord
is the beginning of wisdom, and the knowledge of the
Holy One is understanding.
So John says I was reading that and I, um, uh,
first of all, I know that fear can mean respect
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or to trust in, so would it be all right
if I were to say, trusting in the Lord is
the beginning of wisdom. And then the second half of
the verse, and the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding,
what does that mean? Can you elaborate on that phrase?
Yeah, um, trusting in the Lord, I think is, is
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probably not strong enough. I think that fear, fear meaning respect,
that's reverence, respect, you know, giving God the the honor
that is due to him. Uh, the, the Lord said,
said this, um, to the people of Israel, to the
prophet Jeremiah, he said.
Um, don't you fear me? he said, don't you realize
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that I actually put the boundaries on the sea so
that the waves can go no further? I say to
the waves go this far and go no further. Um,
think about that. So when you think about God,
Remember, he puts the boundaries on the sea. So that's
that's someone that we should really stand in awe of,
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and that that's the idea too, standing in awe of him. So, uh,
the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom
and the knowledge of the holy is understanding. So, understanding,
you know, we live our lives based on understanding. We
make decisions based on our understanding of things. So,
What the Proverbs is telling us that that at the
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foundational level.
We, if, if we have the knowledge of the Lord,
we will have the proper understanding.
To live life the way it's supposed to be lived.
Very good, Johnny, thank you for sending in your question
on the pastor's perspective Instagram, and we're going to take
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a break now. 888-564-6173 is the number to call if
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Here's a question that was sent in through Kwave.com. It's
from Renee. Jesus told the apostles that they will do
greater miracles than Him.
That if they have faith and ask a mountain to move,
it will move. From his time until now, do we
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have any evidence of someone with the great faith he
is speaking about doing something so miraculous like moving a mountain.
Uh, don't, you have to understand that Jesus, like, um,
all of us at times would use what is called hyperbole.
And you know, hyperbole is, is, you know, saying something
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to make a point that is not necessarily literally the
case like I am starving to death. That is hyperbole.
I might be hungry, but I'm not starving to death.
So when Jesus is trying to just show them the
importance of faith, he uses some hyperbole when he says
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something like, you can say to this mountain bee.
Removed and cast into the midst of the sea, and
it's going to do what you said. If you, if
you have faith the size of a monster seed. So
he wants them to understand the power of faith. Uh,
there's no record anywhere in history, and of course, if,
if that did happen, I think it would have happened
through the apostles, and we would have it recorded somewhere.
In the book of Acts, you know, Paul was journeying
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through this mountain pass and actually they couldn't get through,
so he just spoke a word and the mountain dissolved
and he walked, you know, but, but that didn't happen so.
Yeah, so, uh, and then Jesus has greater works than these. Um,
when you think about what Jesus did, there's no way
you could do any greater works than Jesus did. I mean,
he raised the dead, you know, he gave sight to
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the blind. He gave a speech to the those who
couldn't speak and uh hearing to the deaf and cleanse
the lepers and all of that. So you, you can't
do any better than that. Um, but what would happen
is that, uh, greater in
Uh, number. So Jesus is here for a period of time.
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It's a limited period of time. He's limited locationally. He's
only in one place, but when the gospel goes out
through his followers empowered by the Holy Spirit, these works
are going to be multiplied, um, innumerably on time. So
that would be the greater, I think that's the greater
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that he's referring to. Some people say, oh, the greater
work is the work of
Um, bringing people to, um, a saving knowledge of Jesus. And, OK,
that's fine too.
So like, it's like in math, when we, greater than
less than.
That kind of thing. So it's, it's a numerical value,
not necessarily. I, I, I never claimed to be a mathematician,
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so don't start bringing math into this. You've had coffee
today though. You can do a little bit of math.
I've had 2 coffees today. 2, see? You should be
able to do at least a little bit of math. Really?
Does coffee help you do math? Well, all I know
is that early in the morning before coffee, yeah, I
couldn't balance my checkbook or anything, but Renee, thank you
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for sending in your question online. And, uh, here's another
online question. It's from Marisol, and, uh, she writes, How
do I know if my marriage to my husband is
truly from God?
How do I know if we are or are not
meant for each other? We truly love one another and
are committed to one another, but no matter how hard
we try to get out of a storm, we just
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can't get out of it. We've been stuck for 9 years.
Sometimes I wonder if God is telling us we're just
not meant for each other, if we should separate to
see if our life gets better without one another being
in each other's lives.
Well, I think that you have the wrong idea that
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that God's will is, is going to be decided.
By
How well your life is going, and that's not necessarily
the case because uh not only do we have lots
and lots of examples in the Bible that show us
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that that's not the case. I'll give you a quick one.
Joseph in the Old Testament, remember Joseph, he was sold
into slavery and cast into prison and went through a
13 year ordeal, um, where he had been rejected by
his brothers and so forth.
Now that was not pleasant at all. And yet this
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was God working out his plan and purpose through Joseph
to get him to the place where he would eventually
come into a position of power in order to save
his family from the famine that was coming in the world. Um,
but of course, he might have looked at his life
and thought, you know, there's a lot of trouble here.
I must be out of the will of God. What
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am I doing?
But he wasn't. And Jesus said, in the world you
will have trouble. So you're, you're gonna have difficulty, you're
gonna have challenges. You love each other. I think this
is a question that shouldn't even come up. Don't even
ask this question. Yes, it's God's will that you're married.
You're married. So that's, it's too late to ask the question,
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is it God's will, uh, that's already determined. Married, it's
God's will that you stay married.
And it's God's will that you seek Him together and
as you do that.
Doesn't mean everything's gonna get better overnight or even in
9 years, um, but it does mean that you're on
the right path to progress and the Lord's gonna bring you, uh,
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through these times. My wife and I have been married
45 years, and you know, at 10 years, we, we
had some rough patches, and at 15 years we had
some rough passage, and at 20 years we had some
rough passage.
Patches, patches, that's the word, yeah, so and you know
we're still going. So because we committed to each other,
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we stood up there and said, you know, in the
presence of God in this company we took vows of
love and faithfulness to one another and then you just
stick with it.
Through thick and thin, through richer or poorer, through sickness
and in health. Now are those those words aren't in
the Bible per se. Those words actually were crafted in
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the 16th century by the Archbishop of Canterbury, Thomas Cranmer.
Yes, I did not know that. Yes, it's a trivia question.
Now I'm ready for Trivial Pursuit tonight. Yeah, Thomas Kremer,
he was the
Uh, he was the archbishop that was, um, burned at
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the stake by, um.
By Bloody Mary. Oh my. Mhm.
That wasn't nice. No, no, not at all. I don't
think she should have done that. All right, 888-564-6173. Here's
another online question. It's from Christian on Facebook about Ephesians 2:15.
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Which reads, having abolished in his flesh the enmity that
is the law of commandments contained in ordinances so as
to create in himself one new man from the two,
thus making peace. So Christian wants to know, can someone
explain this verse, especially where it says that the law
is enmity.
Yeah, the, the enmity of the law is that uh
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the law condemns us and so the law is is
against us in regard to the fact that uh because
we failed to keep it.
We are condemned by it.
But Jesus took that condemnation on himself. Jesus died in
our place for our violations of the law, so he
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removed that, um, that, that passage is talking about how
the law, it separated us from God and it separated
Jews and Gentiles from one another.
And so Jesus took it and he nailed it to
the cross. He, he wiped it out by fulfilling it
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in his flesh, uh, and fulfilling it on our behalf.
And so we're no longer in that position where the
law is our judge, um.
Jesus took that judgment.
Christian, thank you for sending in your question on Facebook Messenger.
And now we've got uh Cathy and Wendy, whose questions
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are very similar, so let's knock them both out at
the same time, shall we? Cathy asks.
I have a question about adultery. If someone divorces due
to irreconcilable differences and then remarries, isn't that person considered
an adulterer according to the Bible? Does that mean they
won't go to heaven even if they are Christians? Would
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you or have you ever counseled couples seeking divorce under
these terms that they would have to live the rest
of their lives in celibacy to avoid becoming adulterers?
And Wendy's question, Scripture seems to say that men nor
women can remarry if they have been previously divorced, but
there are many, many marriages that consist of previously divorced
men and women. I'm confused.
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Right.
Yeah, these, these are
These are good questions. They're they're hard. Um, I think
the first thing you have to take into consideration is
that
There, there's not a um.
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One size fits all here. You have to look at
every situation. Uh, for example, um, there is a biblical
basis for divorce. So if, um,
If a person is a victim in an in an
adulterous situation, then that person is free to remarry. Uh,
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the perpetrator is not free to remarry.
Um, so let's just say the perpetrator does get remarried.
Are they living in a continued state of adultery? Well,
until they really repent, I think they're living in a
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state that that is sinful. uh, but to repent doesn't
necessarily mean that you can go back and reverse everything
you've done.
So God knows the heart, and there's when when a
person is genuinely repentant,
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God knows that. So I've, I've known people over the
years who
Let's just say in a in a marital situation, they
were guilty. They, they sinned against their spouse, uh, they
went off and got remarried and started a new life
and sometimes the whole time talk tried to talk themselves into,
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you know, God understands and he he's with me and
and you know, he forgives me and and all of that.
And basically fooling themselves, but then.
There is a moment of reckoning.
And they do have a a real awakening and they really,
really recognize how wrong they've been, the fact that they
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have sinned against God, they've sinned against their spouse, and
even though they can't reverse what they've done, there is
a genuine repentance that comes. They go back to the
person that they left and they say, you know what,
I'm completely guilty and I'm sorry and I sinned against
you and please forgive me, and so on.
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Now that's a contrite heart and when that is a genuine.
Response, then I think we can expect that God forgives
that and and so you go on with your life,
you're you're always going to, when you willfully sin, you're
always gonna have consequences to that. You know, it's like
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um like David, you know, David sins he commits adultery
with Bathsheba.
And not only that, but he's, he, um, you know,
is responsible for the for the death of her husband
in order to try to hide his own sin.
And God forgives him. Nathan calls him out on it. David,
you are the man, and David says, you're right, I
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am the man. God forgives him, but there's consequences that
David is going to live with now for the rest
of his life. And the immediate consequences that the child
that Bathsheba is pregnant with is going to die at birth,
and then the extended consequences are going to be the
things that you see happen.
In the family of David as time goes on, where
his one of his sons, Amnan, he rapes his daughter Tamar,
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who's the half sister of his other son, Absalom, and
Absalom is gonna kill uh Amman Amnan and uh it's
just gonna be one.
You know, terrible thing after another. As a consequence, David
is forgiven, David is still God's man and all of that,
but he's, but he now has to live with these things, so.
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Yeah.
Cathy and Wendy, thank you, ladies for sending in your
question through Kwave.com. 888-564-6173 is the number John dialed to
call in today from Escondido. Hey, John, how can we
help you today?
Yeah, hi, I was uh curious about where the story
of Peter being crucified upside down came from because he
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wasn't worthy to die the same way Jesus.
Yeah, that that is a tradition, um, and I'm not
sure who if if there is a source, like an
exact source where it is written.
Um, it could be something like, uh, Eusebius, the early
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church historian, he recorded, you know, some things like that,
but I don't, I don't know where that
Originated, although, like you said, it's, it's not in the Bible. Uh,
did it really happen? Maybe likewise John John being boiled
in oil.
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Again, it's a, it's another, it's another tradition and, you know,
it comes, it comes down to us uh again with
that one, I'm not sure the source either if there
is an actual written source on it or just allusions
to it um but the funny thing is, you know.
I, I, this is, this is where you have to
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really be.
You kind of have to be on your guard when
it comes to these traditional types of things, you know,
some of them are are great and legit, uh, and
you know, some of the sources, you're like, oh yeah, uh,
the source is reliable, this is what they said about this.
But then you see they said, you know, something else
over here you're like, wait, wait a second, that doesn't
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sound right to me, so.
Um, yeah.
Well, if you know your scripture, then you'll just stick
to that, right? Yeah, I mean, that's the that's the
best thing, but what is it? OK, so here, Brian
pulled up a website, it says, um, this is AI, AI. Well,
you know, AI is good. I mean, OK, so according
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to Christian tradition, Peter was crucified upside down. This tradition
is based on the belief that he felt unworthy and
so on. The story originates uh from the acts of Peter. OK, well,
I didn't know that.
Um, at a late 2nd century apocryphal text and uh
later writings by the church fathers. OK, so that's good.
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So then you have church tradition, you have later church
fathers like Origin of Alexandria and Jerome also mentioned this
tradition of further solidifying it in Christian lore.
So, so the Acts of Peter is another book that's
out there that would be, this would be an apocryphal book, uh,
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a book that obviously was not and then the John
Boy and oil comes from the writings of Tertullian, according
to AI.
OK, yeah, yeah, it knows a lot from the writings
of Tulian, who mentioned it as a widely known event
around 200 AD. Uh, it is said that the Roman
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Emperor Domitian ordered John to be plunged into boiling oil,
but he emerged unharmed, seemingly unscathed, and so, OK, well.
Right, you know,
I don't doubt it. Take it, take it or leave it.
I mean, you know, it, it might have been.
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We'll know when we get there. For a long time.
I've been listening for years and years, so I just,
I love the show, and I just wanna thank you
all for what you do. Great. Well, well, thanks for
that question because it made us, uh, you know, cause
I've I've heard that for years and I'm, I've probably
even mentioned John being boiled in oil. I don't think
I ever did.
I, I, I've always been a little bit skeptical about
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the upside down crucifixion of Peter. Really, yeah, I don't know.
It just seems a bit apocryphal to me, but you
never know. You never know. What are the other ones
that some, uh, well, Son and two, we do read
that in Hebrews that did happen, yeah, but I'm talking
about with the apostles. Yeah, with the apostles, you know,
Fox's Book of martyrs is kind of the place where
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most of this stuff is, uh, accessible.
Um, and he compiled it from over over the centuries
he he wrote in the 17th century, I think, um.
So, and, and you know, I've read Fox's Book of
Martyrs years ago, and even as I was reading it,
I thought, you know, some of these stories just sound
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so fantastical. I don't know that I actually
Um
Believe them.
All right, very good. Uh, here's another Facebook question. It
is from Denise, and she wants to know how to
go about handling my brother-in-law. He's upset with any family
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members or church members who voted for Donald Trump. He said,
look what we voted for, because ICE is taking the immigrants.
He's a Christian and I just don't know how to
handle the situation.
Um
Well, uh, I mean, I don't know either. I mean
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he's your brother-in-law.
Well, uh, you know, any anybody like that, I think
what
I think what we need to do is we need
to um.
We just need to be gracious, um.
We, we don't need to apologize if, if we've, you know,
we made a decision to vote in one direction, and
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we thought it was a better option than the other direction.
And I think you just have to let people feel
the way they feel about this stuff. I don't think
you need to convince them that they're right and or
or you're right and they're wrong or vice versa. Um.
You know, I did a little devotional yesterday, uh, here
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on Kwave and the verse that I focused on was
Philippians 4:5 and it says, let your graciousness be known
to all people. But another way to translate that is
let your reasonableness.
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So it sounds like your brother-in-law is being a bit
unreasonable because he thinks that, you know, he's got the
right take on everything. You're probably not gonna change his mind.
So I would think that it's probably the best to
just agree to disagree on this and just say, oh, OK, well,
you know, I respect your opinion. I respect what you
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feel about that, but uh I don't necessarily feel the
same way and try to
As much as depends on you, live peaceably with all people,
Paul said in in Romans, and I think that that's
all we can do.
Yes indeed. Yes, indeed. All right, so one more question
that was sent in online, this one is uh
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For Cheryl, who I thought was gonna come in today,
but she didn't, so you're gonna have to answer for Cheryl,
and I know you can do that because I know Cheryl, yes.
Patricia wrote in, I would like to get recommendations for
solid Bible study lesson books, maybe input from Cheryl if
she's available. We are a handful of women who love
God and would love to get deeper in the word.
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Our small group spans from new believers to seasoned Christians, mothers, grandmothers,
college graduates, etc. I lean more towards verse by verse study,
but I'm open to anything. I've loved studying Max Lucado,
Warren Weirsby, Priscilla Shire, to name a few, something easy
enough for a new believer and rich enough for someone
that has been going to church for a while. Thank
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you so much for your input. I listen to the
show every weekday on my way home. It's been a blessing.
Well, I can, I can easily answer that. Um, Cheryl
over the years has uh written along with a team,
she has written some fantastic, uh, Bible studies for the
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women's ministry that she led for so many years. And
so I would highly recommend any and all of those
and they there's probably 10 or 12 different.
Uh, options there. I know they recently did the, the
Book of Colossians, that was kind of her swan song. Uh,
she finished up with the women's ministry here, but she
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wrote that, um, along with uh a team over the years. Uh,
her and a girl named Jasmine used to be her
ministry partner. They wrote a lot together, then Jasmine moved on,
and Cheryl had a team that they would all work
together on those, but um there's there's ones that are
more in depth.
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And
Kind of, you know, a bigger sort of a workbook,
and then they ended up doing uh some, some smaller
ones that were a little, you know, some people, maybe
it was a little bit challenging to to go through
a whole thick workbook. And so they did some um
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Some smaller versions, like I can't remember what they called them,
but Brian, you're looking at that page, gracious words, um.
Joyful life lessons that that would be the the place
to go there.
Ah, yes, gracious words.com, that's Cheryl's website, and if you
click on resources, you'll get to this page here. So
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these lessons have all been written by Cheryl and her
team at Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa.
Are these the ones that we're talking about? Yeah, these
are they. These are they. These be them. So check
them out at graciouswords.com under resources. Patricia, thank you for
sending in your question online, which is one of the
many ways that you can get your question to us.
The best way is to call us when we're here
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I'm OK. But anyway, you guys, thanks for listening today
to Pastor's Perspective. We're gonna archive today's episode on Facebook, YouTube, Facebook, YouTube,
Apple Podcasts, and Spotify, and we'll see you at church
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Costa Mesa. We'd love to see you. Char Broderson teaching
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in the morning at 8:30 and 11, and no, you
won't be teaching Sunday night.
Right, I will not, but John Chubik, my friend, is
filling in for me for a couple of weeks and
I will be at the CGN International Ministry conference conference.
Calvary Chapel.com is where you can find out all the
details and if you want to come, you can get
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