July 15, 2025 • 56 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Hello and welcome to Pastor's Perspective. I'm your host, Brian Perez.
We're gonna be here till 4 o'clock on this Friday
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out the form and get your question to us.
And here to answer your questions today, we've got Brian
and Cheryl Broderson from Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa. How are
you guys doing?
We're doing great.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Well, I was having some malfunctions, but other than that
I'm doing. I think all the air conditioning and stuff
like that is just drying them out, so I have
to keep, you know, putting moisture in them and you
know rewetting drops and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
And Cheryl is um coming off of a high from
VBS this week that just finished up a couple of
hours
ago.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
That's right, yes. I usually have one cup of coffee.
I keep myself to that every day, but I've been eating,
I've been drinking 2 at home.
And then Kwave was doing breakfast for us. The Kwave
staff was getting there early to have breakfast ready for
us when we, the supervisors, counselors, team leaders were coming
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in and they had breakfast sandwiches today. They had like
watermelon they had so much food for us and they
had really, really good coffee so I.
I started out with just like oh I'll just have
a half a cup that was day one, day 2.
I'm like, oh I need 3/4 of a cup and
now I'm like the overflowing cup, you know I'm doing
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like you
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are getting up at 4 a.m. so do you think
that the is it's
it's
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it's yes.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
For sure,
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for sure. All right,
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give us a call 888-564-6173, and a quick hello to
everyone who stopped by the Kwave booth today at Hole
Mole in Huntington Beach. I wasn't at the booth. I
was here doing station duty, but, uh, I had a
good turnout, of course I did get those free tacos,
tacos that papa, no papa, not papa, that would be
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Dad's tacos. OK,
Speaker 2 (03:01):
wait, who, who is the Mexican in here?
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Not me.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
You should know
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Spanish. I should know better
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than
Speaker 1 (03:10):
I do. I practice every now and then, but not
as often as I should. Although I think we should
do a Spanish edition of Pastor's perspective one of these days.
I don't think I could it get here, well, yeah,
obviously none of us are participate in that.
No, let's, uh, you know, I, I, I keep seeing
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this app for, um, he's so tempted, you know, you know,
they have the Duolingo and, you know, different apps, but
I keep, I keep seeing this new one. I think
it's called Jumpstart, and it's, they guarantee like in 3
weeks you can be speaking whatever language it is that you're, um.
But you know
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what, I'm doing this one that's an exercise one and
it promised me that I would be skinny by now.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Oh well, these are two totally
different things.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
I don't know. A promise is
Speaker 1 (04:01):
a promise because you know I have all the skins
and what's happened to me.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
It's kind of like the word of God if you
don't use it and apply it, it doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Very true. Yeah, so I, I don't, I, I don't know, uh, I,
I'd say we're a ways away from an all Spanish version, um, well,
for us, at least with that, yeah, yes, at least
with us we could ask, uh, maybe Sergio downstairs or Sergio, yes,
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but he doesn't need a program.
He's fluent. Why would you ask somebody who already speaks it? No, no, no, OK, see,
I have all my friends like helping me and all
they're doing so far is correcting me. That's like a
little discouraging. It can be. Let me talk like a
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2 year old for a while, and then when I
turn 4, then
Speaker 1 (04:50):
help me. OK, that's it. That's the jump start. Yes, it's. Oh, right,
that's it.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
She looks like she already knows the language too. I
think they're faking it.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
These actors. All right, 888-564-6173. We're going to start with
a question from Darius, who, uh, listens to us in
Texas or watches us, um.
He writes, uh, hey, pastor's perspective, I was just wondering
if you could give me your best suggestions for improving
my Bible note-taking skills. I want to improve my retention
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and engagement with the text rather than just reading it
over and quickly forgetting most of what I've just read.
When reading through a chapter, I often struggle to think
of things to write down. Charl.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Oh, I love to take notes. You are talking
Speaker 1 (05:38):
to the right person, uh, this.
Woman in the room is the queen of note taking.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
OK, here I'm going to give you, I'm going to
give you 5 letters.
You will know these letters A E I O U.
Can I buy a vowel? Yes, it'll cost you 500
and a spin. But A E I O U. I
learned this from Carol Mayhall years ago. I read a book,
Can a busy Woman Improve your spiritual life.
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And uh Kay Arthur was one of the contributors and
someone else and she said this thing that I found
so awesome and so helpful, but A is for ask
yourself questions about the passage, you know, don't take a
section at a time. Don't try to take a, you know,
a whole book of the Bible at one fell swoop
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if you're going to take notes. Brian knows that I'll
sometimes just do um.
What's it called? I forgot what they call it, but
it's just like one of the stories, uh, when you
go through the gospel and you know kind of where
the they have the breaks. I'll just take that portionette, yeah,
the vignette or um in the gospels the same thing
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wherever they have a break sometimes I'll just say I
this is a complete thought. I'm gonna stay on this thought.
I'm really gonna meditate on it.
And one of the things that she said is a
is ask yourself questions and that's like what is Paul
saying or what is Jesus saying or what is happening here?
So I want to write down what is happening at
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this place.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Could it be like asking who, what, when, where, why?
You
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could, but I think it's more about the meaning, you know,
like what is going on? You know what's going on here?
Then is emphasize. So you'll notice sometimes that one particular
word will keep coming back. Uh, for instance, if you're
reading Proverbs, one of the words that comes up in
every chapter at least twice is understanding, understanding. And even
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when you get to some of the parables of Jesus, uh,
the word understanding or another phrase might be hardness of heart.
So with emphasis, what you want to do is, um.
Look up that word maybe and find out what does
this word mean? Kind of, you know, find out what
the meaning of that word is and why it's emphasized.
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Another thing that you can do, and I love this
part of emphasis is, if I said the Lord.
Is my shepherd. Then we're like, Oh, someone really important
is my shepherd. Then if I said, the Lord is
my shepherd, well, then I'd want to write down things
about the Lord. What, what is so special about having
the Lord? Well, he's all powerful. He's knows everything, you know, um,
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he's got great plans for me. So if the Lord
is my shepherd, then you can go, the Lord is
emphasis on is presently always the Lord is my shepherd.
Then you can go to my
And you could say the Lord is my shepherd. I
mean that's a sense of belonging, a sense of ownership.
My shepherd is the Lord, and then you could go to,
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you know, shepherd. So that's emphasis. Then you go to I,
which is illustration. Let's go back to the Lord is
my shepherd. What you want to do there is what
is a word there that might be a little unfamiliar
but is a comparative word, shepherd, right? So you'd want
to find out.
What does a shepherd do? What is the life like
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of a shepherd, and this is where, you know, um.
Having, you know, Google at our fingertips is so amazing
because you can Google Shepherd. You can read an article
on Shepherds. It used to be where you had to
go to the library or we had to go to
Encyclopedia Britannica or World Book. I don't even know how
long it's been since we've touched our World Book encyclopedias,
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but you used to have to do that to look
up things, but you can go on your computer and
say Shepherd, and I remember doing something like this with
Shepherd and coming across 25 different articles right then.
On Shepherd and finding about 5 of them so fascinating.
My favorite was one that was written by a shepherd
from Scotland in the Highlands, and he, his whole thing
was that sheep were not dumb and that sheep were
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very smart, and it was a good shepherd always knew
and uh praised the sheep and didn't, you know, discount them.
So that was really interesting. But OK, the Lord is
my shepherd, that's illustration. So then we go to AEI
O always other verses.
And, and this is where you can look and see what,
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what verses, like if you're doing a, um, if it's
a chain reference and has other verses, you can look
up those verses, or one verse might come to mind
as you're reading this going, Wow, the Lord is my shepherd.
Didn't Jesus say something about being a shepherd, and you
might go to John chapter 10, where he says, I
am the good shepherd who gives my life for the sheep.
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So you might, you know, do that with the other verses.
And then you come to you, which is use, or
how does this apply to my life? What, what area
do I really need to recognize that the Lord is
my shepherd? Where do I need to apply this in
my life? How does, as we say,
The rubber meet the road in my life. So those
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are for me, um, I've learned to do this. It
just kind of comes naturally now, but this was one
of my favorite, favorite Bible study tools that I've ever,
ever used. So again, A.
Ask questions. What does it mean? E emphasize what's a
word there that maybe you need to know, maybe even
look up in strongs and get the meaning or what word.
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Try emphasizing different words in the sentence and see what
the Lord is saying to you.
I illustration what illustration is used if it's about a
jewel or if it's a why is that jewel important
if it's about a king, what's the role of a
king compared to what the author is saying if it's
a shepherd, why is that important? And then, OK, so
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we're we're down to now oh other verses and finally
use people would call that application, but I want to
call it use because I want to use the you.
So anyway, I just think that's an incredible tool and
I use that a lot when I'm doing it, you know,
after a while it becomes very natural. Um, I know
somebody who does all that but they highlight it and
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they'll have they write with uh I think it's uh
4 different colored pins, 4 or 5 different colored pins
just doing that exact same thing and for me that's
my favorite the.
Who, what, where, and why is, uh, the key Arthur
has a message, uh, has a way of doing it
with precepts and precepts has a way of studying the Bible.
And Graham Lotz wrote a book on ways to study
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the Bible. I've, I've tried both those ways, and they're great,
but I have just found myself most at home with
the Carol Mahall and there
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and
there is.
I mean, what you're talking about is basically inductive
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Bible study. Mine's a little different. I mean, Carol Mayhall's
the way she says it's a little different than inductive
because inductive, like they're they're a
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little strict is the same idea is the
same. OK,
Speaker 2 (12:44):
um, inductive is what does this say about God? What
does this say about you? How will you use it?
So it's a little less. And one of the reasons
I struggle with inductive is like, I love details. So
I want to put the details in and if I'm
doing emphasize, I can put all the details in.
And those are kind of like leave out the details,
just the facts. It's kind of like a dragnet, you know, way,
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like just the facts, ma'am, just the facts.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Yeah,
that's kind of, yeah, just like Eddie Haskell.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah, Eddie Haskell is beaver, Brian, that's not dragnet. So
we
Speaker 1 (13:14):
were,
we were in um New York recently and we're, you know,
we're with their grandkids and Cheryl's talking to our 18
year old grandson and it's like 17 year old girlfriend
and she's, she's just referencing Eddie Haskell.
And Cheryl or
the girlfriend?
Speaker 2 (13:29):
No, no,
Speaker 1 (13:29):
no,
Speaker 2 (13:30):
I was doing it to writer about his friend. I
wasn't doing it about the other two,
Speaker 1 (13:35):
but Kristen overheard and my daughter and she says, Dad.
Mom is talking about Eddie Haskell. Who, who is Eddie Haskell?
It's a Kristen's 44. She doesn't know who Eddie Haskell is.
So writer, writer's 18, she have the slightest idea who
you're talking about, um, and all of that is to
say nobody knows unless they follow my Instagram anything about
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Dragnet because, uh, yesterday I posted a funny back and
forth between Johnny Carson, Johnny Carson and Jack Webb. Yeah
it was great.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yes, about that. Yes, well, you know, we'll play this
game that Brandon and I love and our family loves.
It's a family, it's a Broderson family game. It's called Balderdash.
There's a Christian Balderdash. We don't play that one, but
there's this one, and it's like you have a word
that you have to define. You get cards and they
have either a person's name, a date in history.
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The title of a book or movie and uh or
initials or a word that nobody's heard before, right? And
the person who's the dasher they get to choose one
of those and then they tell everybody and you have
to make up a, a definition or a plot line
or a uh what the letters stand for an anagram
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you have to do that and then you collect them
all and you read them and you try to see.
Um, which one is true and which one isn't, and
pretty much Brian sticks to references from 1950s movies, so
we usually can go, oh, there's a dad, there's a dad,
Walter Brennan. He used, I remember he said Walter Brennan,
it's like, who, who's Walter
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Brennan? Yes,
and everybody on the radio is asking that,
Speaker 2 (15:20):
right? I know. Well,
Speaker 1 (15:22):
depends on how we
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must have some people that are
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our age. Yes,
yes, and they're they're loving this nostalgic,
Speaker 2 (15:29):
maybe not.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
888-564-6173 is the number to call. Bev. Where's Bev? I
don't know, so we'll go to Pebbles, who is listening
on FM 107.9 K wave in Riverside. Hi there, Pebbles.
Hi, how are you guys? Doing great, thanks.
OK, um, my grandson asked a question,
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who is the
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bright morning star?
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Is it Jesus and then um is it referred to
the Lucifer um we're a little confused, help us out here.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Yeah, because, um, Jesus is called the Day star.
And um Luke chapter one, but Satan is referred to
what was it, it's Isaiah
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1 Isaiah
Speaker 2 (16:15):
14.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
The word the word Lucifer is um.
you know, we, we use it as kind of like
a proper name for this being, uh, who we would
also call Satan, but the name of Lucifer or the,
the word means like illumined one.
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Yeah, so, um, Jesus is referred to in Revelation as
the bright and the morning star. He's the morning star,
but the Lucifer passage is interesting because um there is
some uh sort of connection between the two. And if
you think about the fact that
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Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28, give us some insight into
the devil before he became the devil. Uh, he was the, um,
anointed cherub that covered, so he was in.
Uh, relationship with God. Now, the name Michael means one
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who is like God. So some have felt that where
Michael would have been specifically the uh the angel connected
to the father, uh, perhaps it would have been, um,
the one that we'll just call Lucifer, for lack of
a better way to describe him, uh, would have been
directly related to
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The, the son to Jesus. And that's why you have
a similar term used to refer to.
Uh, Satan.
OK. OK. Thank you. Appreciate it. You'll be able to
explain this to your grandson?
Sure. Awesome.
Yeah,
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you didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I'm not getting what you said. Maybe it's because I
was talking to Brian about something else and then I
came back and came in too late.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
No, I'm saying just like Michael is um his name means, yeah,
you know, one who is like God. So some have
speculated that
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that Lucifer was supposed to be like Jesus what she
fell from that estate. You know, it's interesting because a
lot of people have said that Michael was the prince
maybe associated with Israel.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Well, he is, according to Daniel chapter 11 or chapter
12
Speaker 2 (18:43):
right because he was fighting the Prince of Persia.
Interesting. Well maybe Gabriel is the because I mean you
think about Gabriel because he's the one who announced about
the coming of Jesus, right? And he's the one who
gave the announcement
Speaker 1 (18:56):
and that and that is the theory, you know, that
Michael is the father, Gabriel is the spirit, and perhaps,
but again,
Speaker 2 (19:05):
it's you know what too, I mean, these are mysteries
and there are some things that we will not know.
And will not be clarified that we're in heaven, you know,
I was thinking the other day because I was thinking,
you know, we've got a lot in Isaiah about the millennium, right,
that 1000 years when we come back when we rule
and reign with Jesus and, and what it's gonna be
like on I believe we're gonna be cleaning up the
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earth and getting it ready for the, the great recreation.
But as I was um thinking about these things I
was like, but revelation really gives us the greatest insights
of all to what heaven itself is like you know
that's where we find out there's these celebrations there's elders,
there's a crystal see there's constant activity, there's praise, there's
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these um angelic beings with wings and eyes and.
You know these different faces and you're just like, OK,
heaven is described in revelation and if you want to
know where your loved ones are, it's revelation.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Yeah, Revelation 4 and 5.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Oh, so good. And Revelation 8 too when they bring
those prayers of the saints and the angels put them
on the altar, so good. Pebbles, thank you for your
phone call today on pastors. Yes, speaking of 50s
Speaker 1 (20:25):
60s.
Right. Speaking of bam bam, I mean, Fred Fred and
Wilma and Barney and Betty you
Speaker 2 (20:35):
know what I kept saying because they kept talking about
you're going to go to the picnic tables today in VBS. OK,
remember I'm tired and I kept saying the Pican tables.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Hey boo boo.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
I'm
Speaker 1 (20:48):
so
Speaker 2 (20:48):
glad you
Speaker 1 (20:48):
knew that. I knew that, yes. Bev in Orange County,
welcome to Pastor's Perspective. What's your question for us today?
Well,
Speaker 2 (20:57):
I have been
Thinking about this for a long time and I'm wondering.
Um,
Speaker 1 (21:05):
What are the different
ages going to
be when we get to heaven? We have babies that
are born, that are unborn, we have babies that have
been
born. We
have little kids, we have
Older adults,
we have even older adults. Are,
Speaker 2 (21:23):
is there gonna be a medium age or how is
that gonna work? I think we're gonna be ageless because
we're outside of time and age is something that is
connected to time and on earth we have time, and,
you know, God created when it says in the beginning,
that was God creating time.
But God is outside of time and space, so we also,
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when we die and go to heaven, we're outside of
time and space. So I don't think that we'll be
putting an age on anything necessarily like they know that
they're a baby or they're growing up. I think that
we're just gonna be in these glorified states, you know,
it's interesting because now this is not biblical what I'm
about to say let me preface that but about a
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month after my dad died.
I had this dream that my dad came to me
and he was talking to me and he looked so
healthy and so full of vigor and he looked, um,
like he had the dew of his youth as, as
it says in the Psalms, and he looked just so
handsome and so strong and yet I was very aware
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that he was my father and he was, you know, older.
And yet he looked so healthy, so full of vigor
and so like youthful and yet with age, and I
don't know any other way to explain it, but um
I remember I was he wanted to tell me you
know something and I was just so taken with how
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um magnificent he looked in my dream and I the
Lord really used that to come for me.
So I really don't think one we could know but
in Revelation we're not seeing so much children as we're
seeing multitudes of people. So, um, and yet, and I
think these multitudes of people will be like children. I
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think we'll have that innocence, that joy, that energy, uh,
you know, that, uh, just that beauty that children possess.
But you know, honestly we're gonna have to wait and
find out, right?
And I can't wait.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Exactly.
Any thoughts from you, Brian? You and me
Speaker 2 (23:32):
both. Yeah, good, Bev, I love that.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Uh, no, not really. I mean, you know, I, I,
I think somehow.
I mean, I, I agree with Cheryl, but I, I
Speaker 2 (23:43):
do think somehow.
I agree with Cheryl. I love that. That was the best.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
We have it on tape. I'll send it to you.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
I'll just play it over and over again.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
It just seems to me that and this verse doesn't
prove it, but Jesus says, do, do not forbid the
children from coming to me, for of such is the
kingdom of heaven. And I just, you know, children are
so wonderful and they're so amazing. So I just can't
imagine that.
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There's not gonna be children in heaven. Now, are they
gonna be perpetually children? Are they gonna just live eternally
in their little 5 year old bodies? Probably not, but
I don't know, just seems to me like, but again, I,
I don't know, there's nothing in scripture that really makes
it uh clear to me.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
You
know something that though I doing VBS this week. I'm,
you know, sometimes you feel so
Irrelevant, you know, as a 65 year old grandma going
in with all these adorable young kids and yet what
they want is love and the more that you love
on these children, the more they respond and I teach
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Sunday school so I've seen kids that I had like
2 years ago and I'm like, ah, it's you and
you know saying hi Chrissy how are you doing? She's
like I'm 9 now. I'm like I know you've gotten
so old I miss you so bad.
But they're running up, they're hugging and you know I
realized children, there are a couple of things they respond
to love and they respond to praise and before each
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of the children left the class today I had a
little something for them and I just.
Wanted to tell them what a blessing they were in
class and I want to say in front of their parents.
I want to say, now I, I wanted to stop
you a second because your child was such a blessing,
you know, they showed such kindness or they listened to
the instructions or they were so enthusiastic. That's another.
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For energetic, but they were so enthusiastic about what we
did or they got the answer right when we're talking,
you know, what is Jesus like and they said merciful
or they knew the answer, but just to say it, I,
I know the parents know that because most parents think
their children are just absolutely amazing.
Probably because they are. Yes, but I like to say
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it in front of the parent because it makes the
child know that they're appreciated but I think heaven, I
think that's part of it, just that love and responding
to Jesus love as children like just hugging, you know,
like when you're a kid you don't know to be quiet,
you don't know like that you're being inappropriate if you
hug somebody publicly, you know, right in front of everybody
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or you know you run up to a star and
you're like, I love you and
And we'll be able to just run up to Jesus
and just that freedom and that innocence back, you know,
I've asked the Lord, can I be a kid again
in heaven? I want to be one of these guys
in heaven and I think, I think we've got the
kid spirit with the wisdom of the age. I think
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we've got the best of every age in heaven. I
really do.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Bev, thank you for your phone call today on Pastor's Perspective.
888-564-6173 is our number. Here's a question that was sent
in through Kwave.com. It's from Deborah in Glendora, who listens
to us on FM 107.9. She writes, Satan rebelled and
fell from heaven. Could another rebellion happen again? No. Nope.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
That was it.
That was
Speaker 1 (27:14):
my button. That was easy. Yeah,
Speaker 2 (27:16):
you know, one of the things too, I think that
you've got to remember, I mean, those angels made a
choice to follow and the ones who stayed made a
choice to follow God. That was the moment of choice.
And they're, they, they already made their choice and now
they're solidified or they're ratified in that choice and the
kingdom of heaven just adores the Lord. They, you know,
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holy holy holy. They're bowing down. They're in constant worship
and adoration where hell, uh, the, the angels that left
their first estate, they're in constant rebellion, they're unhappy. I
think they realized some of them that they got duped
and they're angry.
And you know, so they want to destroy everything.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
And the Book of Revelation, it it it describes the
Um, you know, kind of the final state, and it says,
and they, speaking of the saints with Christ, and they
shall reign with him forever and ever. So, that right
there tells you that there is no interruption, there's no disruption,
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there's there's nothing that's going to uh interfere with that
forever and ever.
Which is great to know, you know, it's like you, you,
because some people have thought and it's, it's a legitimate
thought like, gosh, you know what, what if, what if
it happened again, um, but thank God, no, it won't
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happen again.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Now they've made a choice. They, they love an adoration.
I mean.
It's, it's such an amazing thought to um think about
God's good plants and when there's no suffering and every
tear is wiped away from every eye and there's just
this constant spirit of joy and then, you know, people ask,
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you know, will we recognize our loved ones in heaven
and I love my son's answer we're not going to
be dumber in heaven than we are on earth.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Very true, Deborah. Thank you for sending in your question
through the Kwave.com pastor's perspective page. We're gonna take a
quick break and then we'll be back with more of
your questions. What do you guys want to ask Brian
and Cheryl Broderson? Do it now, 888-564-6173. We've got about
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We're back on Pastor's Perspective. 888-564-6173 is the number to
call us on this Friday afternoon. You've got about 25
minutes left. We would love to hear from you. 888-564-6173
is the number. We've got Brian and Cheryl Broderson from.
Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa here to answer your questions. And
Brian will be teaching the Sunday night at Calvary Costa Mesa. Yes. Yes,
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I will be back in the Book of Acts, the
14th chapter, so looking forward to that. And this Sunday morning, uh,
I'm gonna be sharing at, um, Christ Point Church, Huntington Beach.
With our good friend John Wong and Jill Wong and
all the good folks over there, so looking forward to
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being with them nice, but the only bummer is I'm
gonna miss
Speaker 2 (31:11):
yes
Speaker 1 (31:11):
you are. I'm gonna miss the kids
Speaker 2 (31:15):
fun Sunday fun day.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Well, the kids VBS.
Worship band is leading worship second service Sunday morning and
I am going to miss that and I am disappointed
by
that.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
And why are you disappointed? Just one of the many reasons.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
One of the
many reasons is because our Hudson is playing guitar in
that band. What
Speaker 2 (31:37):
we mean by our Hudson is our grandson. We actually
do not have first rights to him. We would like
first rights, but his parents insist on those.
But we are, oh, he was so cute. I got
to watch him, you know, I just, I saw my,
my daughter-in-law on campus the other day. She hosted a
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pop up coffee shop with some other, um, of the
girls at Calvary, and I can't call them girls because
they're all under 40 and I just shouted to her
I love your kids, just some of the best kids
I've ever met. But anyway, just so fun.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
But anyway, Sunday night.
6:30.
In the fellowship hall at Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa, Acts
chapter 14. Sounds good. 888-564-6173. Let's take some more questions
that were sent in online. Here's a few from CJ
in Surprise, Arizona. I've been there. Have you? Yes. I'm
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not surprised. Uh, CJ writes, uh, first question, does Jesus
in Matthew 5:31 and 32 command?
That a person cannot remarry after divorcing and that adultery
is the only justification for divorce. Also, if someone becomes
a believer while married to a nonbeliever, does the Bible
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forbid them from leaving that marriage? What do you guys
Speaker 2 (33:01):
say? O'Brien, Brian has gotten in trouble on this one.
I can't wait to see him get out of it.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Um, well,
Yes, it does.
Say that
Um,
The basis for divorce there is given as um adultery.
So the person who is sent against is free to
to divorce. I don't think that's the only basis for divorce,
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but I do, obviously that is certainly one of them. Uh,
I think the other would be um endangerment, I think abandonment, uh, those,
those can be basis as well. Uh, can a person
remarry once they are divorced? I think the question there
then comes down to, um,
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The the heart of the person in regard to their
sin and repentance of their sin. Now remember, Jesus is
saying this in a very specific context to a very
um specific group of people at the time that he's speaking.
He's talking to Pharisees, he's talking to these self-righteous religious
leaders who were.
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Uh, outwardly appearing to observe the law, but were inwardly
completely um living for themselves. So you have to, you
have to keep that in mind. You have to keep
in mind some of what they were teaching about divorce
because basically what they would do is they would want
to restrict everybody but then give some loopholes for themselves. So,
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so Jesus is addressing them, we have to remember he's
addressing them first.
So, when you come to our situation today and how
do we apply this, I think that um
Again, the, the, the person who is the victim in
an adulterous situation is free to move forward in life
and to marry. What if the person who is the
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perpetrator of the divorce or of of the adultery that
leads to the divorce, can they move on? Can they
be remarried, uh, only under genuine repentance and God knows.
What's genuine and what isn't. So, um, yeah, I've, in
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the past, Cheryl said I got in trouble, um, I
created a a firestorm years ago because I taught that
very rigidly and very, just very, very strictly, and all
kinds of people thought, uh oh, what am I gonna do? I'm,
you know, I'm living in an adulterous relationship and some were,
and they needed to really face that and repent of that.
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But others had genuinely repented and but they were able
to work through it and say, OK, yeah. So, these
are some of the challenging.
Things that we face when we're seeking to apply scripture
to our situation. Yeah. Uh, CJ's other question about that.
If someone becomes a believer while married to a non-believer,
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does the Bible forbid them from leaving that marriage?
Someone, yes. Uh, yeah, Paul, 1 Corinthians chapter 7 is
the classic passage where Paul talks about being married to
a person who isn't a believer, and he says, um,
if the, if the unbeliever is content to to live
together in the marriage, then don't, don't separate. But if
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the unbeliever departs or is not content to dwell together,
then the, the person is free.
All right. Another uh question from CJ. Were there other
humans around in Adam and Eve's time? Many seem to
think that a line Kane has when he's exited, exiled,
I'm sorry, uh seems to imply so.
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But there were other humans, but they weren't separate from
Adam and Eve. So, uh, in Genesis chapter 5, we're
told about Adam and Eve. So, let me back up
a second. When you when you just read Genesis.
You know, 1 through 5, for example, 1 through 4. You,
it seems like Adam and Eve have 3 children. They
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have Kane, Abel, and Seth. Uh, Kane kills Abel, so
now they're left with 2.
And so, but then Cain goes out from the presence
of the Lord and he finds a wife.
Where the heck did he get his wife? Where did
she come from? And so some people have said, well,
there must have been other people on the earth at
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the time. There were other people on the earth at
the time. They were the descendants of Adam and Eve
that are not told, we're not told about them because
they're not relevant to the story. The Bible is not
a world history book, The Bible is a redemptive history book.
So it's telling us the story of redemption.
And for the most part, it's sticking closely to the
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people who are
Closely associated with the redemptive story. So it's not necessary
to bring in all the other information about the other
children of Adam and Eve, who would have been the
ones who would have populated the earth at the time.
And CJ's final question in he's got a lot of questions.
In Exodus, when God hardens Pharaoh's heart, is he taking
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away his free will and therefore Pharaoh is not accountable,
as some seem to argue? And was the hardening, God-making.
I'm sorry, and the, and was the hardening God making
Pharaoh stubborn, or was Pharaoh becoming stubborn because of what
God was doing, sending the plagues, etc.
Well, one thing is clear. Pharaoh is the guilty party here,
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so it's not that God, the any idea that Pharaoh
would have repented if God had not have hardened his
heart is the wrong idea. Um, we know from cover
to cover in the Bible.
God, uh, Jesus said it, and it applies all the
way back to the Old Testament period. Whoever comes to be,
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I will never turn away. So, there's never a person
who really wanted to come to the Lord, but the
Lord just wouldn't let them come. He hardened their heart.
So when we read about God hardening Pharaoh's heart, what
we can know first of all is that he's not
forcing Pharaoh into a situation where he is on
Saveable. Pharaoh has made his mind up. The idea of
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hardening his heart is God is, he's just confirming him
in his position. So God gives Pharaoh 10 opportunities to repent,
you know, I mean, that's a lot. And not just,
you know, hey, you ought to repent, but hey, look,
you really ought to repent because look who I am
and look what I can do.
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And like even the, the leaders in Egypt finally said
to Pharaoh, they said, don't you, what are you doing?
Egypt is destroyed. Why don't you just humble yourself? So
Pharaoh was a picture of a prideful individual who resist
the call of God to repentance. And God, at a point,
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God says, OK, that's your position.
That's your position. So that's what it means to harden
his heart. He, he confirmed him in his position. CJ,
thank you for sending in your questions through Facebook Messenger.
And here's another question that was sent in online. It's
from Luis in Rialto, listening on FM 107.9. He asks
about Hebrews 10:14, which reads, For by one offering, he
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has perfected forever those who are being sanctified. So Luis
just wants to know what does this verse mean?
Again, Hebrews chapter 10 verse 14. I was just reading
out of the New King James. Yeah, yeah, what the
verse means in the whole context there, um.
Hebrews has written to Hebrews, people who are ethnically Jewish
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and had been religiously Jewish, but have now put their
faith in Jesus as the Messiah, and they've trusted in
the sacrifice of Jesus to atone for their sin. But
some are being tempted to go back to the old system.
So the old system was a sacrificial system where the
animals were sacrificed, there was the priesthood and and all
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of that sort of thing. Um, and they
would offer the sacrifices on a regular basis, and they
had to offer them on a regular basis because the
sacrifices never really could take away sin. So Jesus comes,
all of those things are pointing to something in the future,
and that's what the author is talking about. Jesus comes
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and he doesn't have to offer a bunch of sacrifices.
He offers one sacrifice forever for sins, and then he
sits down in the right hand of God. So, the
author of Hebrews is urging
His listeners not to go back to the old system
because the old system can't do anything for you. It
can never cleanse your sin in the first place. Um,
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everything you need has been accomplished by Jesus, the one sacrifice,
in contrast to the many sacrifices of the of the
priesthood that were continuing to go on until, um, you know, gosh,
close to 40 years after the death and resurrection of Jesus.
Louise, thank you for sending in your question online through Kwave.com.
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Now we'll go to the phones. Here is Roy, who
is listening to us in Los Angeles on the Kwave app. Hey, Roy,
thanks for calling in today. How can we help you?
Hi, um,
Um,
Speaker 2 (42:41):
my question is uh about like where we get our
news from, and I'm wondering what responsibility do Christians have,
particularly Christian leaders have to uh verify their news sources.
It seems to me that a lot of Christians
From, from what they say about what's going on in
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our country, it sounds to me like they, they're getting
most of information from Fox News, and, you know, they
got sued for $750 million for lying about the Dominion
voting systems there and
It was clear from the trial that that they were mean,
you know, they were purposely um
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Right, I think you would have to ask the question
is who do they have a responsibility for from God, right?
And we would agree with you that we think that
all those sources should be checked. Are they checked? Do
we think they're checked? No, we don't. I mean we've
heard things, you know, Brian and I have heard pastors
saying things and.
I mean sometimes you're just like, oh Jesus, please, please
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help us. You know, it says in the Bible Paul
writing to Timothy says no soldier gets involved in civilian
affairs when he's trying to fight for his country.
He also said that he wished that men would give
up wrath and doubting and hold up holy hands and pray,
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and I think that we would do a better job
if we led people to Jesus Christ and we prayed
for our leaders, whether we like them or not, that
we would begin to pray for them. I think that
we could see dynamic changes, good changes. I think we
would see revivals break out if only the church would pray.
But I would agree with you, Roy. I, I shudder
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sometimes when I hear some from both ends, both sides.
I mean, I've heard people that only listen to CNN
and you're like, uh, no, no, no, and Fox, you know, nope, nope, nope, I,
you know, I just think that at this time, you know,
we need to be extremely careful and you know there's
no political leader that's gonna solve the world's problems we
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are too far gone.
We need our Messiah Jesus, and you know, I pray
for the peace of Jerusalem, but when I pray for
the peace of Jerusalem, I believe that means when Jesus
comes and finally reigns and rules in Jerusalem, that's when
there will be peace. What say you, Brian?
But Roy, I think we're probably on your side.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
Yeah, I, I think, you know, James says, let everyone
be um swift to hear, slow to speak, and slow
to anger. And, and I think that we would do
a lot better uh these days if we would really
adopt that, take that to heart, uh, swift to hear.
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So, uh, you know, as a preacher and as a
person who's sitting here on a radio program talking to
a lot of people, I want to do my best
to make sure the information that I am giving out
is accurate information. So, I, I have in the past,
I've said things, you know, I've, I've said things during
Bible studies that I was too lazy to really do
my homework and I got up and put my foot
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in my mouth, and later I thought, oh gosh, that
was so stupid. Why did I say that, you know,
and then I have to go back and retract it, um.
So, uh, I, I have learned in some cases the
hard way over the years, uh, if I don't know
that it's, that it is a fact, that then I'm
not gonna be, um, I'm not gonna be broadcasting it. Uh,
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I wanna make sure that I've got my information straight,
and I think that that
That's just integrity in general. I think anybody speaking publicly
should seek to do that, but more so those who
are speaking publicly from a platform of God's word and
from a representative of Jesus and the kingdom.
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Roy, thank you for your phone call today on Pastor's perspective. Um, OK,
another question from online. This is from Danny, uh, who writes,
Dear pastors, I heard that the Septuagint included the apocrypha.
Did Jesus then and do Jews now consider the apocrypha
as scripture? And why do evangelicals not consider the apocrypha
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as scripture?
Um, the, the Septuagin did not consider it as scripture,
but it did include it. And so it was uh there,
but it was recognized as non-canonical or it was, it
wasn't seen in the same category as as the rest
of the uh the Jewish scriptures. Um, the same thing
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happened when the Bible was translated in New Testament times
into Latin.
So when Jerome translated the Greek scriptures into Latin, he, um, the,
the Greek and Hebrew scriptures, he included the apocrypha but
footnoted that it was not part of the uh canonized
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text or the received text. So, um, and then Jesus
and the apostles never
They quoted all of the, the what we have 39 books,
they would have had 22, the same books, just divided
up differently. Uh, they quoted from all of them, but
they did not ever quote uh from the
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Apocrypha
directly
Speaker 2 (48:12):
and you know a lot of people believe that when
Paul is telling Titus and Timothy, you know, avoid Jewish
mythology that he is talking directly about the apocrypha and
some of those things um one other issue with that
too is I think that people don't have a good
understanding of what the canonization was the canonizing of the
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Bible and what it was, instead of saying these people
got together and they looked at all the books and
say we like this one, we don't like this one
we like this one, we don't like this one.
What they did is they recognized the ones that they
knew already were authoritative, that they knew and there was
um what you call transmission.
They could relate every book back to either a direct
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disciple of the person who wrote it or to the person, uh,
or the, the writer at the time. So you've got
a direct transmission where you don't have that in the
apocrypha um you don't know who wrote it. I mean
you can look at just about every book in the
Old Testament like I was looking at Ecclesiastes and they
said Solomon identifies himself as the writer says, you know,
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I'm the teacher.
I'm the son of David. I'm the king of Israel,
you know, well, who is that? Solomon. So these others,
but you'll find with the non uh canonical they'll claim
what is it, Daniel and the dragon, but they were
recognized even then as Jewish mythology and not, uh, they
were stories, fun stories. It would be like including Cinderella
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in uh the World Book Encyclopedia, you know, you've had
enough information now let's give you some fun, you know.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
Who was that? That was Danny. Thank you for sending
in your question online. Here is one from Steven in Southville, Wisconsin.
I believe there have been pre-incarnations of Christ, Theophanes or
Christophanes in the Old Testament. Personally, I believe it was
Christ that Abraham met with the two angels that went
to Sodom to get Lot and his family out. My
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question is about the appearance of Christ in any of
his pre-incarnate appearances. Did Christ resemble the same physical appearance
of his incarnation during his pre-incarnate appearance?
What do you think, Brian? Um, well, no, I don't
think he did because his incarnate, um, his incarnation was
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an actual, you know, he became a human being. He
took up on a human body. He had, uh, DNA.
He had bones hereditary, uh, traits, you know, from his mother, um.
So back in, and I think you're right about the
uh about the Abraham and the visitation uh from the Lord.
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I do think you're right. I think that is Jesus,
that is a theophany an appearance of or a Christophene,
whichever you wanna call it, same thing, an appearance of
Christ before his incarnation.
Um, it's obvious that it's Yahweh who's appearing to Abraham
because he's speaking as as Yahweh, and then, and we're
even told when the judgment comes, and Yahweh rained down
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fire from Yahweh in heaven. So, Yahweh is on earth,
speaking to Abraham, and Yahweh is in heaven raining down
the fire. But um,
Was his body, uh, that he appeared in, I think
it was uh like you have these appearances of God
in the Old Testament, and he appears like a human,
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but he's obviously not incarnated like he would become in
the person of Jesus of Nazareth.
Speaker 2 (51:51):
You know, Tim Keller has an interesting um series that
he does on the angel of the Lord and of
course angel means messenger.
But he believes the angel of the Lord like when
God says, I will send my angel before you and
he will clear the way, he believes that's that's Jesus
that's a Christophene too or uh the yeah Christophane. So anyway, yeah,
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I believe that Jesus, the I am he, he identifies
himself before Abraham. I am so he's he's saying I am,
I'm the one.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
And, and I think you can argue based on John 1:18.
Um, no man has ever seen God.
But the one and only Son, who is himself God
and is in the heart of the Father, he has
declared him. So all of the revelation of Yahweh throughout
history is through the second person. He is the revealer.
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Steven, thank you for sending in your question from Wisconsin.
It says here you're listening on 107.9 FM. I don't
think that's possible in Wisconsin, so maybe you're listening on
the Kwave app or on Kwave.com, or maybe you ask
your smart speaker to play Kwave 107.9. And so you are.
Thank you. And thank you for sending in your question. Uh,
we got one sent in here, uh, person says, um,
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His daughter-in-law's baby has died in utero. He wants to
console his son, uh, but he wants to ask about
how
I don't have it all here. Hold on here about
how the doctors want to take the baby. What is
the Christian thing to do? I guess the doctors want
to use the, the DNC method to
Speaker 2 (53:35):
um D&C is just, uh, going in and scraping of the,
the ovary of, of, of what is left. It's not, um,
when the baby has perished, it's not, uh, we went
through a dilemma like that with two friends that we know,
one would be our daughter, uh, Kelsey, and the other
one would be um.
A friend of ours and both times mercifully they they
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naturally miscarried so I think the best bet is to
pray for a miscarriage but really talk to the doctors.
My daughter wanted to make sure that the baby really
did not have life and um they kept assuring her
this baby there's no heartbeat, there's no life she had
lots of um sonograms, but I mean that's, it was heartbreaking.
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I was with her and it was heartbreaking.
But she was so blessed when she naturally miscarried so
that decision was taken out of her hands and both
times with the person we know was taken out of
their hands, how I'll be it though Brian's mom had
a a child that died.
In in utero and the doctors made her carry it
for full term and it was it was really really
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traumatic so I think if the doctors really know and
you trust your doctors and they have a regard for
life which most obstetricians really love babies in life, I,
I would be.
Um, really slanted towards trusting a doctor.
Speaker 1 (55:00):
Yeah, a D&C is a common, it's a common way
of dealing with, um, you know, uh, in utero death
or even a, even a miscarriage, you know, a lot
of times you go in and do the DNC.
All right, that's all the time we have on today's
episode of Pastor's Perspective. Thank you so much for listening
today or for watching on Facebook, YouTube, or Instagram. We
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will see you at church on Sunday and then we'll
be back on Monday to do what we do every
day between 3 and 4 p.m. Pacific Time, and that's
answer the questions that you have about the Bible and
the Christian faith. For Brian and Cheryl Broderson, I'm Brian Perez.
God bless, and we'll talk to you next time on
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And here to answer your questions today, we've got Brian
and Cheryl Broderson from Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa. How are
you guys doing?
We're doing great.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Well, I was having some malfunctions, but other than that
I'm doing. I think all the air conditioning and stuff
like that is just drying them out, so I have
to keep, you know, putting moisture in them and you
know rewetting drops and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
And Cheryl is um coming off of a high from
VBS this week that just finished up a couple of
hours
ago.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
That's right, yes. I usually have one cup of coffee.
I keep myself to that every day, but I've been eating,
I've been drinking 2 at home.
And then Kwave was doing breakfast for us. The Kwave
staff was getting there early to have breakfast ready for
us when we, the supervisors, counselors, team leaders were coming
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in and they had breakfast sandwiches today. They had like
watermelon they had so much food for us and they
had really, really good coffee so I.
I started out with just like oh I'll just have
a half a cup that was day one, day 2.
I'm like, oh I need 3/4 of a cup and
now I'm like the overflowing cup, you know I'm doing
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like you
Speaker 1 (02:26):
are getting up at 4 a.m. so do you think
that the is it's
it's
Speaker 2 (02:34):
it's yes.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
For sure,
Speaker 2 (02:39):
for sure. All right,
Speaker 1 (02:40):
give us a call 888-564-6173, and a quick hello to
everyone who stopped by the Kwave booth today at Hole
Mole in Huntington Beach. I wasn't at the booth. I
was here doing station duty, but, uh, I had a
good turnout, of course I did get those free tacos,
tacos that papa, no papa, not papa, that would be
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Dad's tacos. OK,
Speaker 2 (03:01):
wait, who, who is the Mexican in here?
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Not me.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
You should know
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Spanish. I should know better
Speaker 2 (03:10):
than
Speaker 1 (03:10):
I do. I practice every now and then, but not
as often as I should. Although I think we should
do a Spanish edition of Pastor's perspective one of these days.
I don't think I could it get here, well, yeah,
obviously none of us are participate in that.
No, let's, uh, you know, I, I, I keep seeing
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this app for, um, he's so tempted, you know, you know,
they have the Duolingo and, you know, different apps, but
I keep, I keep seeing this new one. I think
it's called Jumpstart, and it's, they guarantee like in 3
weeks you can be speaking whatever language it is that you're, um.
But you know
Speaker 2 (03:50):
what, I'm doing this one that's an exercise one and
it promised me that I would be skinny by now.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Oh well, these are two totally
different things.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
I don't know. A promise is
Speaker 1 (04:01):
a promise because you know I have all the skins
and what's happened to me.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
It's kind of like the word of God if you
don't use it and apply it, it doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Very true. Yeah, so I, I don't, I, I don't know, uh, I,
I'd say we're a ways away from an all Spanish version, um, well,
for us, at least with that, yeah, yes, at least
with us we could ask, uh, maybe Sergio downstairs or Sergio, yes,
Speaker 2 (04:26):
but he doesn't need a program.
He's fluent. Why would you ask somebody who already speaks it? No, no, no, OK, see,
I have all my friends like helping me and all
they're doing so far is correcting me. That's like a
little discouraging. It can be. Let me talk like a
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2 year old for a while, and then when I
turn 4, then
Speaker 1 (04:50):
help me. OK, that's it. That's the jump start. Yes, it's. Oh, right,
that's it.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
She looks like she already knows the language too. I
think they're faking it.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
These actors. All right, 888-564-6173. We're going to start with
a question from Darius, who, uh, listens to us in
Texas or watches us, um.
He writes, uh, hey, pastor's perspective, I was just wondering
if you could give me your best suggestions for improving
my Bible note-taking skills. I want to improve my retention
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and engagement with the text rather than just reading it
over and quickly forgetting most of what I've just read.
When reading through a chapter, I often struggle to think
of things to write down. Charl.
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Oh, I love to take notes. You are talking
Speaker 1 (05:38):
to the right person, uh, this.
Woman in the room is the queen of note taking.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
OK, here I'm going to give you, I'm going to
give you 5 letters.
You will know these letters A E I O U.
Can I buy a vowel? Yes, it'll cost you 500
and a spin. But A E I O U. I
learned this from Carol Mayhall years ago. I read a book,
Can a busy Woman Improve your spiritual life.
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And uh Kay Arthur was one of the contributors and
someone else and she said this thing that I found
so awesome and so helpful, but A is for ask
yourself questions about the passage, you know, don't take a
section at a time. Don't try to take a, you know,
a whole book of the Bible at one fell swoop
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if you're going to take notes. Brian knows that I'll
sometimes just do um.
What's it called? I forgot what they call it, but
it's just like one of the stories, uh, when you
go through the gospel and you know kind of where
the they have the breaks. I'll just take that portionette, yeah,
the vignette or um in the gospels the same thing
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wherever they have a break sometimes I'll just say I
this is a complete thought. I'm gonna stay on this thought.
I'm really gonna meditate on it.
And one of the things that she said is a
is ask yourself questions and that's like what is Paul
saying or what is Jesus saying or what is happening here?
So I want to write down what is happening at
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this place.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Could it be like asking who, what, when, where, why?
You
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could, but I think it's more about the meaning, you know,
like what is going on? You know what's going on here?
Then is emphasize. So you'll notice sometimes that one particular
word will keep coming back. Uh, for instance, if you're
reading Proverbs, one of the words that comes up in
every chapter at least twice is understanding, understanding. And even
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when you get to some of the parables of Jesus, uh,
the word understanding or another phrase might be hardness of heart.
So with emphasis, what you want to do is, um.
Look up that word maybe and find out what does
this word mean? Kind of, you know, find out what
the meaning of that word is and why it's emphasized.
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Another thing that you can do, and I love this
part of emphasis is, if I said the Lord.
Is my shepherd. Then we're like, Oh, someone really important
is my shepherd. Then if I said, the Lord is
my shepherd, well, then I'd want to write down things
about the Lord. What, what is so special about having
the Lord? Well, he's all powerful. He's knows everything, you know, um,
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he's got great plans for me. So if the Lord
is my shepherd, then you can go, the Lord is
emphasis on is presently always the Lord is my shepherd.
Then you can go to my
And you could say the Lord is my shepherd. I
mean that's a sense of belonging, a sense of ownership.
My shepherd is the Lord, and then you could go to,
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you know, shepherd. So that's emphasis. Then you go to I,
which is illustration. Let's go back to the Lord is
my shepherd. What you want to do there is what
is a word there that might be a little unfamiliar
but is a comparative word, shepherd, right? So you'd want
to find out.
What does a shepherd do? What is the life like
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of a shepherd, and this is where, you know, um.
Having, you know, Google at our fingertips is so amazing
because you can Google Shepherd. You can read an article
on Shepherds. It used to be where you had to
go to the library or we had to go to
Encyclopedia Britannica or World Book. I don't even know how
long it's been since we've touched our World Book encyclopedias,
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but you used to have to do that to look
up things, but you can go on your computer and
say Shepherd, and I remember doing something like this with
Shepherd and coming across 25 different articles right then.
On Shepherd and finding about 5 of them so fascinating.
My favorite was one that was written by a shepherd
from Scotland in the Highlands, and he, his whole thing
was that sheep were not dumb and that sheep were
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very smart, and it was a good shepherd always knew
and uh praised the sheep and didn't, you know, discount them.
So that was really interesting. But OK, the Lord is
my shepherd, that's illustration. So then we go to AEI
O always other verses.
And, and this is where you can look and see what,
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what verses, like if you're doing a, um, if it's
a chain reference and has other verses, you can look
up those verses, or one verse might come to mind
as you're reading this going, Wow, the Lord is my shepherd.
Didn't Jesus say something about being a shepherd, and you
might go to John chapter 10, where he says, I
am the good shepherd who gives my life for the sheep.
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So you might, you know, do that with the other verses.
And then you come to you, which is use, or
how does this apply to my life? What, what area
do I really need to recognize that the Lord is
my shepherd? Where do I need to apply this in
my life? How does, as we say,
The rubber meet the road in my life. So those
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are for me, um, I've learned to do this. It
just kind of comes naturally now, but this was one
of my favorite, favorite Bible study tools that I've ever,
ever used. So again, A.
Ask questions. What does it mean? E emphasize what's a
word there that maybe you need to know, maybe even
look up in strongs and get the meaning or what word.
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Try emphasizing different words in the sentence and see what
the Lord is saying to you.
I illustration what illustration is used if it's about a
jewel or if it's a why is that jewel important
if it's about a king, what's the role of a
king compared to what the author is saying if it's
a shepherd, why is that important? And then, OK, so
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we're we're down to now oh other verses and finally
use people would call that application, but I want to
call it use because I want to use the you.
So anyway, I just think that's an incredible tool and
I use that a lot when I'm doing it, you know,
after a while it becomes very natural. Um, I know
somebody who does all that but they highlight it and
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they'll have they write with uh I think it's uh
4 different colored pins, 4 or 5 different colored pins
just doing that exact same thing and for me that's
my favorite the.
Who, what, where, and why is, uh, the key Arthur
has a message, uh, has a way of doing it
with precepts and precepts has a way of studying the Bible.
And Graham Lotz wrote a book on ways to study
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the Bible. I've, I've tried both those ways, and they're great,
but I have just found myself most at home with
the Carol Mahall and there
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and
there is.
I mean, what you're talking about is basically inductive
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Bible study. Mine's a little different. I mean, Carol Mayhall's
the way she says it's a little different than inductive
because inductive, like they're they're a
Speaker 1 (12:41):
little strict is the same idea is the
same. OK,
Speaker 2 (12:44):
um, inductive is what does this say about God? What
does this say about you? How will you use it?
So it's a little less. And one of the reasons
I struggle with inductive is like, I love details. So
I want to put the details in and if I'm
doing emphasize, I can put all the details in.
And those are kind of like leave out the details,
just the facts. It's kind of like a dragnet, you know, way,
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like just the facts, ma'am, just the facts.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Yeah,
that's kind of, yeah, just like Eddie Haskell.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah, Eddie Haskell is beaver, Brian, that's not dragnet. So
we
Speaker 1 (13:14):
were,
we were in um New York recently and we're, you know,
we're with their grandkids and Cheryl's talking to our 18
year old grandson and it's like 17 year old girlfriend
and she's, she's just referencing Eddie Haskell.
And Cheryl or
the girlfriend?
Speaker 2 (13:29):
No, no,
Speaker 1 (13:29):
no,
Speaker 2 (13:30):
I was doing it to writer about his friend. I
wasn't doing it about the other two,
Speaker 1 (13:35):
but Kristen overheard and my daughter and she says, Dad.
Mom is talking about Eddie Haskell. Who, who is Eddie Haskell?
It's a Kristen's 44. She doesn't know who Eddie Haskell is.
So writer, writer's 18, she have the slightest idea who
you're talking about, um, and all of that is to
say nobody knows unless they follow my Instagram anything about
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Dragnet because, uh, yesterday I posted a funny back and
forth between Johnny Carson, Johnny Carson and Jack Webb. Yeah
it was great.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yes, about that. Yes, well, you know, we'll play this
game that Brandon and I love and our family loves.
It's a family, it's a Broderson family game. It's called Balderdash.
There's a Christian Balderdash. We don't play that one, but
there's this one, and it's like you have a word
that you have to define. You get cards and they
have either a person's name, a date in history.
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The title of a book or movie and uh or
initials or a word that nobody's heard before, right? And
the person who's the dasher they get to choose one
of those and then they tell everybody and you have
to make up a, a definition or a plot line
or a uh what the letters stand for an anagram
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you have to do that and then you collect them
all and you read them and you try to see.
Um, which one is true and which one isn't, and
pretty much Brian sticks to references from 1950s movies, so
we usually can go, oh, there's a dad, there's a dad,
Walter Brennan. He used, I remember he said Walter Brennan,
it's like, who, who's Walter
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Brennan? Yes,
and everybody on the radio is asking that,
Speaker 2 (15:20):
right? I know. Well,
Speaker 1 (15:22):
depends on how we
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must have some people that are
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our age. Yes,
yes, and they're they're loving this nostalgic,
Speaker 2 (15:29):
maybe not.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
888-564-6173 is the number to call. Bev. Where's Bev? I
don't know, so we'll go to Pebbles, who is listening
on FM 107.9 K wave in Riverside. Hi there, Pebbles.
Hi, how are you guys? Doing great, thanks.
OK, um, my grandson asked a question,
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who is the
Speaker 2 (15:51):
bright morning star?
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Is it Jesus and then um is it referred to
the Lucifer um we're a little confused, help us out here.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Yeah, because, um, Jesus is called the Day star.
And um Luke chapter one, but Satan is referred to
what was it, it's Isaiah
Speaker 1 (16:14):
1 Isaiah
Speaker 2 (16:15):
14.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
The word the word Lucifer is um.
you know, we, we use it as kind of like
a proper name for this being, uh, who we would
also call Satan, but the name of Lucifer or the,
the word means like illumined one.
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Yeah, so, um, Jesus is referred to in Revelation as
the bright and the morning star. He's the morning star,
but the Lucifer passage is interesting because um there is
some uh sort of connection between the two. And if
you think about the fact that
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Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28, give us some insight into
the devil before he became the devil. Uh, he was the, um,
anointed cherub that covered, so he was in.
Uh, relationship with God. Now, the name Michael means one
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who is like God. So some have felt that where
Michael would have been specifically the uh the angel connected
to the father, uh, perhaps it would have been, um,
the one that we'll just call Lucifer, for lack of
a better way to describe him, uh, would have been
directly related to
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The, the son to Jesus. And that's why you have
a similar term used to refer to.
Uh, Satan.
OK. OK. Thank you. Appreciate it. You'll be able to
explain this to your grandson?
Sure. Awesome.
Yeah,
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you didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I'm not getting what you said. Maybe it's because I
was talking to Brian about something else and then I
came back and came in too late.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
No, I'm saying just like Michael is um his name means, yeah,
you know, one who is like God. So some have
speculated that
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that Lucifer was supposed to be like Jesus what she
fell from that estate. You know, it's interesting because a
lot of people have said that Michael was the prince
maybe associated with Israel.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Well, he is, according to Daniel chapter 11 or chapter
12
Speaker 2 (18:43):
right because he was fighting the Prince of Persia.
Interesting. Well maybe Gabriel is the because I mean you
think about Gabriel because he's the one who announced about
the coming of Jesus, right? And he's the one who
gave the announcement
Speaker 1 (18:56):
and that and that is the theory, you know, that
Michael is the father, Gabriel is the spirit, and perhaps,
but again,
Speaker 2 (19:05):
it's you know what too, I mean, these are mysteries
and there are some things that we will not know.
And will not be clarified that we're in heaven, you know,
I was thinking the other day because I was thinking,
you know, we've got a lot in Isaiah about the millennium, right,
that 1000 years when we come back when we rule
and reign with Jesus and, and what it's gonna be
like on I believe we're gonna be cleaning up the
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earth and getting it ready for the, the great recreation.
But as I was um thinking about these things I
was like, but revelation really gives us the greatest insights
of all to what heaven itself is like you know
that's where we find out there's these celebrations there's elders,
there's a crystal see there's constant activity, there's praise, there's
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these um angelic beings with wings and eyes and.
You know these different faces and you're just like, OK,
heaven is described in revelation and if you want to
know where your loved ones are, it's revelation.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Yeah, Revelation 4 and 5.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Oh, so good. And Revelation 8 too when they bring
those prayers of the saints and the angels put them
on the altar, so good. Pebbles, thank you for your
phone call today on pastors. Yes, speaking of 50s
Speaker 1 (20:25):
60s.
Right. Speaking of bam bam, I mean, Fred Fred and
Wilma and Barney and Betty you
Speaker 2 (20:35):
know what I kept saying because they kept talking about
you're going to go to the picnic tables today in VBS. OK,
remember I'm tired and I kept saying the Pican tables.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Hey boo boo.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
I'm
Speaker 1 (20:48):
so
Speaker 2 (20:48):
glad you
Speaker 1 (20:48):
knew that. I knew that, yes. Bev in Orange County,
welcome to Pastor's Perspective. What's your question for us today?
Well,
Speaker 2 (20:57):
I have been
Thinking about this for a long time and I'm wondering.
Um,
Speaker 1 (21:05):
What are the different
ages going to
be when we get to heaven? We have babies that
are born, that are unborn, we have babies that have
been
born. We
have little kids, we have
Older adults,
we have even older adults. Are,
Speaker 2 (21:23):
is there gonna be a medium age or how is
that gonna work? I think we're gonna be ageless because
we're outside of time and age is something that is
connected to time and on earth we have time, and,
you know, God created when it says in the beginning,
that was God creating time.
But God is outside of time and space, so we also,
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when we die and go to heaven, we're outside of
time and space. So I don't think that we'll be
putting an age on anything necessarily like they know that
they're a baby or they're growing up. I think that
we're just gonna be in these glorified states, you know,
it's interesting because now this is not biblical what I'm
about to say let me preface that but about a
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month after my dad died.
I had this dream that my dad came to me
and he was talking to me and he looked so
healthy and so full of vigor and he looked, um,
like he had the dew of his youth as, as
it says in the Psalms, and he looked just so
handsome and so strong and yet I was very aware
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that he was my father and he was, you know, older.
And yet he looked so healthy, so full of vigor
and so like youthful and yet with age, and I
don't know any other way to explain it, but um
I remember I was he wanted to tell me you
know something and I was just so taken with how
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um magnificent he looked in my dream and I the
Lord really used that to come for me.
So I really don't think one we could know but
in Revelation we're not seeing so much children as we're
seeing multitudes of people. So, um, and yet, and I
think these multitudes of people will be like children. I
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think we'll have that innocence, that joy, that energy, uh,
you know, that, uh, just that beauty that children possess.
But you know, honestly we're gonna have to wait and
find out, right?
And I can't wait.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Exactly.
Any thoughts from you, Brian? You and me
Speaker 2 (23:32):
both. Yeah, good, Bev, I love that.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Uh, no, not really. I mean, you know, I, I,
I think somehow.
I mean, I, I agree with Cheryl, but I, I
Speaker 2 (23:43):
do think somehow.
I agree with Cheryl. I love that. That was the best.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
We have it on tape. I'll send it to you.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
I'll just play it over and over again.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
It just seems to me that and this verse doesn't
prove it, but Jesus says, do, do not forbid the
children from coming to me, for of such is the
kingdom of heaven. And I just, you know, children are
so wonderful and they're so amazing. So I just can't
imagine that.
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There's not gonna be children in heaven. Now, are they
gonna be perpetually children? Are they gonna just live eternally
in their little 5 year old bodies? Probably not, but
I don't know, just seems to me like, but again, I,
I don't know, there's nothing in scripture that really makes
it uh clear to me.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
You
know something that though I doing VBS this week. I'm,
you know, sometimes you feel so
Irrelevant, you know, as a 65 year old grandma going
in with all these adorable young kids and yet what
they want is love and the more that you love
on these children, the more they respond and I teach
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Sunday school so I've seen kids that I had like
2 years ago and I'm like, ah, it's you and
you know saying hi Chrissy how are you doing? She's
like I'm 9 now. I'm like I know you've gotten
so old I miss you so bad.
But they're running up, they're hugging and you know I
realized children, there are a couple of things they respond
to love and they respond to praise and before each
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of the children left the class today I had a
little something for them and I just.
Wanted to tell them what a blessing they were in
class and I want to say in front of their parents.
I want to say, now I, I wanted to stop
you a second because your child was such a blessing,
you know, they showed such kindness or they listened to
the instructions or they were so enthusiastic. That's another.
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For energetic, but they were so enthusiastic about what we
did or they got the answer right when we're talking,
you know, what is Jesus like and they said merciful
or they knew the answer, but just to say it, I,
I know the parents know that because most parents think
their children are just absolutely amazing.
Probably because they are. Yes, but I like to say
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it in front of the parent because it makes the
child know that they're appreciated but I think heaven, I
think that's part of it, just that love and responding
to Jesus love as children like just hugging, you know,
like when you're a kid you don't know to be quiet,
you don't know like that you're being inappropriate if you
hug somebody publicly, you know, right in front of everybody
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or you know you run up to a star and
you're like, I love you and
And we'll be able to just run up to Jesus
and just that freedom and that innocence back, you know,
I've asked the Lord, can I be a kid again
in heaven? I want to be one of these guys
in heaven and I think, I think we've got the
kid spirit with the wisdom of the age. I think
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we've got the best of every age in heaven. I
really do.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Bev, thank you for your phone call today on Pastor's Perspective.
888-564-6173 is our number. Here's a question that was sent
in through Kwave.com. It's from Deborah in Glendora, who listens
to us on FM 107.9. She writes, Satan rebelled and
fell from heaven. Could another rebellion happen again? No. Nope.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
That was it.
That was
Speaker 1 (27:14):
my button. That was easy. Yeah,
Speaker 2 (27:16):
you know, one of the things too, I think that
you've got to remember, I mean, those angels made a
choice to follow and the ones who stayed made a
choice to follow God. That was the moment of choice.
And they're, they, they already made their choice and now
they're solidified or they're ratified in that choice and the
kingdom of heaven just adores the Lord. They, you know,
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holy holy holy. They're bowing down. They're in constant worship
and adoration where hell, uh, the, the angels that left
their first estate, they're in constant rebellion, they're unhappy. I
think they realized some of them that they got duped
and they're angry.
And you know, so they want to destroy everything.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
And the Book of Revelation, it it it describes the
Um, you know, kind of the final state, and it says,
and they, speaking of the saints with Christ, and they
shall reign with him forever and ever. So, that right
there tells you that there is no interruption, there's no disruption,
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there's there's nothing that's going to uh interfere with that
forever and ever.
Which is great to know, you know, it's like you, you,
because some people have thought and it's, it's a legitimate
thought like, gosh, you know what, what if, what if
it happened again, um, but thank God, no, it won't
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happen again.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Now they've made a choice. They, they love an adoration.
I mean.
It's, it's such an amazing thought to um think about
God's good plants and when there's no suffering and every
tear is wiped away from every eye and there's just
this constant spirit of joy and then, you know, people ask,
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you know, will we recognize our loved ones in heaven
and I love my son's answer we're not going to
be dumber in heaven than we are on earth.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Very true, Deborah. Thank you for sending in your question
through the Kwave.com pastor's perspective page. We're gonna take a
quick break and then we'll be back with more of
your questions. What do you guys want to ask Brian
and Cheryl Broderson? Do it now, 888-564-6173. We've got about
half an hour left on the program. It's Pastor's perspective, 888-564-6173.
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We're back on Pastor's Perspective. 888-564-6173 is the number to
call us on this Friday afternoon. You've got about 25
minutes left. We would love to hear from you. 888-564-6173
is the number. We've got Brian and Cheryl Broderson from.
Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa here to answer your questions. And
Brian will be teaching the Sunday night at Calvary Costa Mesa. Yes. Yes,
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I will be back in the Book of Acts, the
14th chapter, so looking forward to that. And this Sunday morning, uh,
I'm gonna be sharing at, um, Christ Point Church, Huntington Beach.
With our good friend John Wong and Jill Wong and
all the good folks over there, so looking forward to
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being with them nice, but the only bummer is I'm
gonna miss
Speaker 2 (31:11):
yes
Speaker 1 (31:11):
you are. I'm gonna miss the kids
Speaker 2 (31:15):
fun Sunday fun day.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Well, the kids VBS.
Worship band is leading worship second service Sunday morning and
I am going to miss that and I am disappointed
by
that.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
And why are you disappointed? Just one of the many reasons.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
One of the
many reasons is because our Hudson is playing guitar in
that band. What
Speaker 2 (31:37):
we mean by our Hudson is our grandson. We actually
do not have first rights to him. We would like
first rights, but his parents insist on those.
But we are, oh, he was so cute. I got
to watch him, you know, I just, I saw my,
my daughter-in-law on campus the other day. She hosted a
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pop up coffee shop with some other, um, of the
girls at Calvary, and I can't call them girls because
they're all under 40 and I just shouted to her
I love your kids, just some of the best kids
I've ever met. But anyway, just so fun.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
But anyway, Sunday night.
6:30.
In the fellowship hall at Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa, Acts
chapter 14. Sounds good. 888-564-6173. Let's take some more questions
that were sent in online. Here's a few from CJ
in Surprise, Arizona. I've been there. Have you? Yes. I'm
(32:37):
not surprised. Uh, CJ writes, uh, first question, does Jesus
in Matthew 5:31 and 32 command?
That a person cannot remarry after divorcing and that adultery
is the only justification for divorce. Also, if someone becomes
a believer while married to a nonbeliever, does the Bible
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forbid them from leaving that marriage? What do you guys
Speaker 2 (33:01):
say? O'Brien, Brian has gotten in trouble on this one.
I can't wait to see him get out of it.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Um, well,
Yes, it does.
Say that
Um,
The basis for divorce there is given as um adultery.
So the person who is sent against is free to
to divorce. I don't think that's the only basis for divorce,
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but I do, obviously that is certainly one of them. Uh,
I think the other would be um endangerment, I think abandonment, uh, those,
those can be basis as well. Uh, can a person
remarry once they are divorced? I think the question there
then comes down to, um,
(33:54):
The the heart of the person in regard to their
sin and repentance of their sin. Now remember, Jesus is
saying this in a very specific context to a very
um specific group of people at the time that he's speaking.
He's talking to Pharisees, he's talking to these self-righteous religious
leaders who were.
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Uh, outwardly appearing to observe the law, but were inwardly
completely um living for themselves. So you have to, you
have to keep that in mind. You have to keep
in mind some of what they were teaching about divorce
because basically what they would do is they would want
to restrict everybody but then give some loopholes for themselves. So,
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so Jesus is addressing them, we have to remember he's
addressing them first.
So, when you come to our situation today and how
do we apply this, I think that um
Again, the, the, the person who is the victim in
an adulterous situation is free to move forward in life
and to marry. What if the person who is the
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perpetrator of the divorce or of of the adultery that
leads to the divorce, can they move on? Can they
be remarried, uh, only under genuine repentance and God knows.
What's genuine and what isn't. So, um, yeah, I've, in
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the past, Cheryl said I got in trouble, um, I
created a a firestorm years ago because I taught that
very rigidly and very, just very, very strictly, and all
kinds of people thought, uh oh, what am I gonna do? I'm,
you know, I'm living in an adulterous relationship and some were,
and they needed to really face that and repent of that.
(35:43):
But others had genuinely repented and but they were able
to work through it and say, OK, yeah. So, these
are some of the challenging.
Things that we face when we're seeking to apply scripture
to our situation. Yeah. Uh, CJ's other question about that.
If someone becomes a believer while married to a non-believer,
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does the Bible forbid them from leaving that marriage?
Someone, yes. Uh, yeah, Paul, 1 Corinthians chapter 7 is
the classic passage where Paul talks about being married to
a person who isn't a believer, and he says, um,
if the, if the unbeliever is content to to live
together in the marriage, then don't, don't separate. But if
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the unbeliever departs or is not content to dwell together,
then the, the person is free.
All right. Another uh question from CJ. Were there other
humans around in Adam and Eve's time? Many seem to
think that a line Kane has when he's exited, exiled,
I'm sorry, uh seems to imply so.
(36:52):
But there were other humans, but they weren't separate from
Adam and Eve. So, uh, in Genesis chapter 5, we're
told about Adam and Eve. So, let me back up
a second. When you when you just read Genesis.
You know, 1 through 5, for example, 1 through 4. You,
it seems like Adam and Eve have 3 children. They
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have Kane, Abel, and Seth. Uh, Kane kills Abel, so
now they're left with 2.
And so, but then Cain goes out from the presence
of the Lord and he finds a wife.
Where the heck did he get his wife? Where did
she come from? And so some people have said, well,
there must have been other people on the earth at
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the time. There were other people on the earth at
the time. They were the descendants of Adam and Eve
that are not told, we're not told about them because
they're not relevant to the story. The Bible is not
a world history book, The Bible is a redemptive history book.
So it's telling us the story of redemption.
And for the most part, it's sticking closely to the
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people who are
Closely associated with the redemptive story. So it's not necessary
to bring in all the other information about the other
children of Adam and Eve, who would have been the
ones who would have populated the earth at the time.
And CJ's final question in he's got a lot of questions.
In Exodus, when God hardens Pharaoh's heart, is he taking
(38:19):
away his free will and therefore Pharaoh is not accountable,
as some seem to argue? And was the hardening, God-making.
I'm sorry, and the, and was the hardening God making
Pharaoh stubborn, or was Pharaoh becoming stubborn because of what
God was doing, sending the plagues, etc.
Well, one thing is clear. Pharaoh is the guilty party here,
(38:44):
so it's not that God, the any idea that Pharaoh
would have repented if God had not have hardened his
heart is the wrong idea. Um, we know from cover
to cover in the Bible.
God, uh, Jesus said it, and it applies all the
way back to the Old Testament period. Whoever comes to be,
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I will never turn away. So, there's never a person
who really wanted to come to the Lord, but the
Lord just wouldn't let them come. He hardened their heart.
So when we read about God hardening Pharaoh's heart, what
we can know first of all is that he's not
forcing Pharaoh into a situation where he is on
Saveable. Pharaoh has made his mind up. The idea of
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hardening his heart is God is, he's just confirming him
in his position. So God gives Pharaoh 10 opportunities to repent,
you know, I mean, that's a lot. And not just,
you know, hey, you ought to repent, but hey, look,
you really ought to repent because look who I am
and look what I can do.
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And like even the, the leaders in Egypt finally said
to Pharaoh, they said, don't you, what are you doing?
Egypt is destroyed. Why don't you just humble yourself? So
Pharaoh was a picture of a prideful individual who resist
the call of God to repentance. And God, at a point,
(40:14):
God says, OK, that's your position.
That's your position. So that's what it means to harden
his heart. He, he confirmed him in his position. CJ,
thank you for sending in your questions through Facebook Messenger.
And here's another question that was sent in online. It's
from Luis in Rialto, listening on FM 107.9. He asks
about Hebrews 10:14, which reads, For by one offering, he
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has perfected forever those who are being sanctified. So Luis
just wants to know what does this verse mean?
Again, Hebrews chapter 10 verse 14. I was just reading
out of the New King James. Yeah, yeah, what the
verse means in the whole context there, um.
Hebrews has written to Hebrews, people who are ethnically Jewish
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and had been religiously Jewish, but have now put their
faith in Jesus as the Messiah, and they've trusted in
the sacrifice of Jesus to atone for their sin. But
some are being tempted to go back to the old system.
So the old system was a sacrificial system where the
animals were sacrificed, there was the priesthood and and all
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of that sort of thing. Um, and they
would offer the sacrifices on a regular basis, and they
had to offer them on a regular basis because the
sacrifices never really could take away sin. So Jesus comes,
all of those things are pointing to something in the future,
and that's what the author is talking about. Jesus comes
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and he doesn't have to offer a bunch of sacrifices.
He offers one sacrifice forever for sins, and then he
sits down in the right hand of God. So, the
author of Hebrews is urging
His listeners not to go back to the old system
because the old system can't do anything for you. It
can never cleanse your sin in the first place. Um,
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everything you need has been accomplished by Jesus, the one sacrifice,
in contrast to the many sacrifices of the of the
priesthood that were continuing to go on until, um, you know, gosh,
close to 40 years after the death and resurrection of Jesus.
Louise, thank you for sending in your question online through Kwave.com.
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Now we'll go to the phones. Here is Roy, who
is listening to us in Los Angeles on the Kwave app. Hey, Roy,
thanks for calling in today. How can we help you?
Hi, um,
Um,
Speaker 2 (42:41):
my question is uh about like where we get our
news from, and I'm wondering what responsibility do Christians have,
particularly Christian leaders have to uh verify their news sources.
It seems to me that a lot of Christians
From, from what they say about what's going on in
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our country, it sounds to me like they, they're getting
most of information from Fox News, and, you know, they
got sued for $750 million for lying about the Dominion
voting systems there and
It was clear from the trial that that they were mean,
you know, they were purposely um
(43:24):
Right, I think you would have to ask the question
is who do they have a responsibility for from God, right?
And we would agree with you that we think that
all those sources should be checked. Are they checked? Do
we think they're checked? No, we don't. I mean we've
heard things, you know, Brian and I have heard pastors
saying things and.
I mean sometimes you're just like, oh Jesus, please, please
(43:47):
help us. You know, it says in the Bible Paul
writing to Timothy says no soldier gets involved in civilian
affairs when he's trying to fight for his country.
He also said that he wished that men would give
up wrath and doubting and hold up holy hands and pray,
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and I think that we would do a better job
if we led people to Jesus Christ and we prayed
for our leaders, whether we like them or not, that
we would begin to pray for them. I think that
we could see dynamic changes, good changes. I think we
would see revivals break out if only the church would pray.
But I would agree with you, Roy. I, I shudder
(44:32):
sometimes when I hear some from both ends, both sides.
I mean, I've heard people that only listen to CNN
and you're like, uh, no, no, no, and Fox, you know, nope, nope, nope, I,
you know, I just think that at this time, you know,
we need to be extremely careful and you know there's
no political leader that's gonna solve the world's problems we
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are too far gone.
We need our Messiah Jesus, and you know, I pray
for the peace of Jerusalem, but when I pray for
the peace of Jerusalem, I believe that means when Jesus
comes and finally reigns and rules in Jerusalem, that's when
there will be peace. What say you, Brian?
But Roy, I think we're probably on your side.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
Yeah, I, I think, you know, James says, let everyone
be um swift to hear, slow to speak, and slow
to anger. And, and I think that we would do
a lot better uh these days if we would really
adopt that, take that to heart, uh, swift to hear.
(45:38):
So, uh, you know, as a preacher and as a
person who's sitting here on a radio program talking to
a lot of people, I want to do my best
to make sure the information that I am giving out
is accurate information. So, I, I have in the past,
I've said things, you know, I've, I've said things during
Bible studies that I was too lazy to really do
my homework and I got up and put my foot
(45:59):
in my mouth, and later I thought, oh gosh, that
was so stupid. Why did I say that, you know,
and then I have to go back and retract it, um.
So, uh, I, I have learned in some cases the
hard way over the years, uh, if I don't know
that it's, that it is a fact, that then I'm
not gonna be, um, I'm not gonna be broadcasting it. Uh,
(46:21):
I wanna make sure that I've got my information straight,
and I think that that
That's just integrity in general. I think anybody speaking publicly
should seek to do that, but more so those who
are speaking publicly from a platform of God's word and
from a representative of Jesus and the kingdom.
(46:41):
Roy, thank you for your phone call today on Pastor's perspective. Um, OK,
another question from online. This is from Danny, uh, who writes,
Dear pastors, I heard that the Septuagint included the apocrypha.
Did Jesus then and do Jews now consider the apocrypha
as scripture? And why do evangelicals not consider the apocrypha
(47:04):
as scripture?
Um, the, the Septuagin did not consider it as scripture,
but it did include it. And so it was uh there,
but it was recognized as non-canonical or it was, it
wasn't seen in the same category as as the rest
of the uh the Jewish scriptures. Um, the same thing
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happened when the Bible was translated in New Testament times
into Latin.
So when Jerome translated the Greek scriptures into Latin, he, um, the,
the Greek and Hebrew scriptures, he included the apocrypha but
footnoted that it was not part of the uh canonized
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text or the received text. So, um, and then Jesus
and the apostles never
They quoted all of the, the what we have 39 books,
they would have had 22, the same books, just divided
up differently. Uh, they quoted from all of them, but
they did not ever quote uh from the
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Apocrypha
directly
Speaker 2 (48:12):
and you know a lot of people believe that when
Paul is telling Titus and Timothy, you know, avoid Jewish
mythology that he is talking directly about the apocrypha and
some of those things um one other issue with that
too is I think that people don't have a good
understanding of what the canonization was the canonizing of the
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Bible and what it was, instead of saying these people
got together and they looked at all the books and
say we like this one, we don't like this one
we like this one, we don't like this one.
What they did is they recognized the ones that they
knew already were authoritative, that they knew and there was
um what you call transmission.
They could relate every book back to either a direct
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disciple of the person who wrote it or to the person, uh,
or the, the writer at the time. So you've got
a direct transmission where you don't have that in the
apocrypha um you don't know who wrote it. I mean
you can look at just about every book in the
Old Testament like I was looking at Ecclesiastes and they
said Solomon identifies himself as the writer says, you know,
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I'm the teacher.
I'm the son of David. I'm the king of Israel,
you know, well, who is that? Solomon. So these others,
but you'll find with the non uh canonical they'll claim
what is it, Daniel and the dragon, but they were
recognized even then as Jewish mythology and not, uh, they
were stories, fun stories. It would be like including Cinderella
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in uh the World Book Encyclopedia, you know, you've had
enough information now let's give you some fun, you know.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
Who was that? That was Danny. Thank you for sending
in your question online. Here is one from Steven in Southville, Wisconsin.
I believe there have been pre-incarnations of Christ, Theophanes or
Christophanes in the Old Testament. Personally, I believe it was
Christ that Abraham met with the two angels that went
to Sodom to get Lot and his family out. My
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question is about the appearance of Christ in any of
his pre-incarnate appearances. Did Christ resemble the same physical appearance
of his incarnation during his pre-incarnate appearance?
What do you think, Brian? Um, well, no, I don't
think he did because his incarnate, um, his incarnation was
(50:36):
an actual, you know, he became a human being. He
took up on a human body. He had, uh, DNA.
He had bones hereditary, uh, traits, you know, from his mother, um.
So back in, and I think you're right about the
uh about the Abraham and the visitation uh from the Lord.
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I do think you're right. I think that is Jesus,
that is a theophany an appearance of or a Christophene,
whichever you wanna call it, same thing, an appearance of
Christ before his incarnation.
Um, it's obvious that it's Yahweh who's appearing to Abraham
because he's speaking as as Yahweh, and then, and we're
even told when the judgment comes, and Yahweh rained down
(51:22):
fire from Yahweh in heaven. So, Yahweh is on earth,
speaking to Abraham, and Yahweh is in heaven raining down
the fire. But um,
Was his body, uh, that he appeared in, I think
it was uh like you have these appearances of God
in the Old Testament, and he appears like a human,
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but he's obviously not incarnated like he would become in
the person of Jesus of Nazareth.
Speaker 2 (51:51):
You know, Tim Keller has an interesting um series that
he does on the angel of the Lord and of
course angel means messenger.
But he believes the angel of the Lord like when
God says, I will send my angel before you and
he will clear the way, he believes that's that's Jesus
that's a Christophene too or uh the yeah Christophane. So anyway, yeah,
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I believe that Jesus, the I am he, he identifies
himself before Abraham. I am so he's he's saying I am,
I'm the one.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
And, and I think you can argue based on John 1:18.
Um, no man has ever seen God.
But the one and only Son, who is himself God
and is in the heart of the Father, he has
declared him. So all of the revelation of Yahweh throughout
history is through the second person. He is the revealer.
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Steven, thank you for sending in your question from Wisconsin.
It says here you're listening on 107.9 FM. I don't
think that's possible in Wisconsin, so maybe you're listening on
the Kwave app or on Kwave.com, or maybe you ask
your smart speaker to play Kwave 107.9. And so you are.
Thank you. And thank you for sending in your question. Uh,
we got one sent in here, uh, person says, um,
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His daughter-in-law's baby has died in utero. He wants to
console his son, uh, but he wants to ask about
how
I don't have it all here. Hold on here about
how the doctors want to take the baby. What is
the Christian thing to do? I guess the doctors want
to use the, the DNC method to
Speaker 2 (53:35):
um D&C is just, uh, going in and scraping of the,
the ovary of, of, of what is left. It's not, um,
when the baby has perished, it's not, uh, we went
through a dilemma like that with two friends that we know,
one would be our daughter, uh, Kelsey, and the other
one would be um.
A friend of ours and both times mercifully they they
(53:58):
naturally miscarried so I think the best bet is to
pray for a miscarriage but really talk to the doctors.
My daughter wanted to make sure that the baby really
did not have life and um they kept assuring her
this baby there's no heartbeat, there's no life she had
lots of um sonograms, but I mean that's, it was heartbreaking.
(54:20):
I was with her and it was heartbreaking.
But she was so blessed when she naturally miscarried so
that decision was taken out of her hands and both
times with the person we know was taken out of
their hands, how I'll be it though Brian's mom had
a a child that died.
In in utero and the doctors made her carry it
for full term and it was it was really really
(54:43):
traumatic so I think if the doctors really know and
you trust your doctors and they have a regard for
life which most obstetricians really love babies in life, I,
I would be.
Um, really slanted towards trusting a doctor.
Speaker 1 (55:00):
Yeah, a D&C is a common, it's a common way
of dealing with, um, you know, uh, in utero death
or even a, even a miscarriage, you know, a lot
of times you go in and do the DNC.
All right, that's all the time we have on today's
episode of Pastor's Perspective. Thank you so much for listening
today or for watching on Facebook, YouTube, or Instagram. We
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will see you at church on Sunday and then we'll
be back on Monday to do what we do every
day between 3 and 4 p.m. Pacific Time, and that's
answer the questions that you have about the Bible and
the Christian faith. For Brian and Cheryl Broderson, I'm Brian Perez.
God bless, and we'll talk to you next time on
Pastor's Perspective.
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