July 22, 2025 • 56 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:21):
Hello and welcome to Pastor's Perspective. I'm your host, Brian Perez.
It is Tuesday, the 22nd, 222, you could say Tuesday,
the 22th of July. Where am I going with that?
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today at 888-564-6173. Hi guys,
Speaker 2 (01:23):
what's
up? Hey, hey, um, yeah, Tuesday. Good, good to be here. Yes.
Been busy doing some domestic type.
Chores for my wife, cleaning out the garage, getting rid
of paint cans that have been there for a decade
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at least.
You know, everything's complicated these days. You can't just put
stuff in your trash can. No, you cannot beside the
ways you have to, I had to make two trips
to the hazardous waste, um, area, and, um, but you
know what, I'm thankful that there is a hazardous waste
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area that you can actually take stuff to. So, so
that was good, yeah, so that's no more throwing it
down the drain.
Please don't in the gutter or wherever.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Please don't do that.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yeah, so anyway, that's been your day. Yeah, that's been
my day.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
All right, call us up 888-564-6173. Here's a question that
was sent in online from Krista in Hemet, who writes, um, her,
her basic question is one that we kind of get
a lot here on Pastor's perspective, but I love her story,
so I'm just gonna uh read it. It's um uh
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when I was 14.
I had a child out of wedlock. The father was
not a great person in the sense he was a
gang member in and out of jail. Aside from my
rebellious teenage years, I have always been a believer and
was raised in the church. So when I turned 18,
I decided to marry him in a civil union at
the courthouse. After, he became a drug addict and abandoned us.
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We haven't seen him now for over 18 years.
I did get a divorce a few years after he left.
I met my wonderful current husband after that. We've been
together since 2010, have been married since 2015. He's a wonderful,
loving man, a wonderful father and husband. We live a good,
normal life. He's the definition of a perfect spouse and
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everything I used to pray for. We've been reading the
Bible together lately, and the book of Matthew has several
verses that talk about being with a woman previously married
and how that makes my husband an adulterer.
Before my first husband left, I used to pray for deliverance,
not from him specifically, but from my horrible situation. I
had always felt that God did deliver me from it
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because I actively fought to save my marriage and Him,
but to no avail. I felt that my first husband
leaving and me meeting my current husband must have been
in God's plan for my life. But my question is,
in the eyes of God, is my second marriage legitimate? Richard,
what do you say to Christa?
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Well,
Christopher, that's a great story and um I, I, I'll
just start with it, um, saying this. Paul, Paul wrote
to the Corinthians in his first letter, he says, if
any woman has a husband who is an unbeliever.
And he, the unbelieving husband, consents to live with her.
She should not divorce him, but then he goes on
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to say two verses down. But if the unbelieving partner separates,
let it be so. In such cases, the brother or
sister is not enslaved. God has called you to peace.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
You can rest on that, Christa. Brian, what do you
Speaker 2 (04:45):
add? Well, that was the exact passage I turned to.
So
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Richard got there first,
Speaker 2 (04:50):
so I that's what I was looking at when you
walked in. I was looking at it like that. So
it's not like I just say amen and amen. Yeah, um, yeah, absolutely,
you know, you're, you're right to think that God brought
your husband into your life.
And brought you guys together and just keep enjoying the
wonderful blessing that your marriage is and don't be stumbled
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by any of this stuff because you know those passages
in Matthew are very specific in in very specific context
and um they don't apply in your situation, but the,
but the First Corinthians passage clearly does.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Very good, Christa, thank you for sending in your question
and telling your story. Uh, great to see how the
Lord worked that out. 888-564-6173 is our number. Now, uh,
Zoe and Banning asks, since I am made righteous by Jesus,
am I still a sinner, or am I perfectly imperfect
to Jesus? What do you say, Brian?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Well, you know, we are justified and we are declared righteous, uh,
but we still sin, so we should identify ourselves probably more, um,
on the positive side of I am now declared righteous
in Christ. So my identity is as a child of God,
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somebody who's been redeemed rather than my identity being a sinner,
even though I still sin.
That's no longer um who I am primarily. So, you know,
before you're saved, um,
You are, your primary identity is a sinner, but when
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you come to Christ, your new identity is in Christ,
and you still sin, but you're no longer identified as
a sinner.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Richard,
Speaker 2 (06:48):
anything to
Speaker 1 (06:48):
add? Yeah,
Speaker 2 (06:49):
um, I, I just think, you know, the apostle John
in his first letter, he, he addresses the reality of
believers being sinners. He says, if we claim to be
without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not
in us. If we confess our sins, he's faithful and
just and will forgive us our sins and purify us
from all unrighteousness. If we claimed we have not sinned,
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we make him out to be a liar, and his
word is not in us.
And then he goes on to say in the second chapter,
he says, my dear children, I write this to you
so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin,
we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ, the
righteous one. And so there's the, the reality, he's writing
to believers, talks about the reality of sin. He's writing
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to exhort them to not sin, but if we do sin,
we have an advocate Jesus the righteous, so.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yeah, very good. Zoe, thank you for sending in your
question from Banning. 888-564-6173 is the number to call. I'll
read another question that was sent in online, but first,
the biggest news story of the day, uh, Ozzy Osbourne
has passed away.
Why is that huge for us? I don't know, but
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it's just, he was just a cultural icon, you could say.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Um, I, I, I remember getting my first Black Sabbath
album when I was probably 12 years old, so I
might have been 18. Yeah, so because, you know, I,
I mean, he has been, uh, I mean, back, back
in those days, you know, it was Black Sabbath and
then Ozzy kind of emerged out of that, um, but yeah,
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so I mean, he's been a, a, a common.
Um, cultural person for many, um, but I was telling you, Brian, um,
I saw something the other day that was super cool,
where this guy, now I, I think there was just
like a Black Sabbath reunion or something, and, you know,
they did, did a thing and, um, and I remember
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seeing a, a, a photo of Ozzy and I thought,
oh boy, he, he doesn't look long for this world. Uh,
so I was a little bit shocked to hear this today,
but not totally.
Um, but anyway, this, this young guy was telling the story,
I think it must have been on Instagram or something,
he was telling the story of having given, uh, Ozzy
a Bible, and he gave him a Bible with, um,
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with he had his name embossed on it. And, and
then he wanted to do some follow up but he
didn't want to be weird about it, but he ended
up sort of um randomly running in.
Uh, to the son of Ozzy, and he was like,
oh my gosh, you're the guy who gave my dad
the Bible. My dad loves that Bible. That's the, he
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cherishes that more than anything, and he's actually our family,
we're reading that Bible together, you know, he's telling the story.
So I thought, well, this is quite interesting, you know,
isn't that good of God? Yeah, right, right down to
the very end, like, you know.
You've been going this one way for a long, long time,
you know, just I'd like you to think about this
other way. Yeah, it's amazing. You know, I saw something
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the other day too that I'd never seen this before, um,
you know, David Bowie died back a few years ago.
And um one of the concerts um that he he
was doing, um, he led the whole, I think it's
Wembley Stadium in England, I think he, he led the
whole stadium in the Lord's Prayer. Lord's Prayer. But you
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know these guys like Bowie and Jagger and, you know,
the Beatle guys, you know, all of those guys had.
They had religious education when they were growing up, right?
And they all grew up under either Catholicism or the
or the Church of England. So you find those those
influences have been there, yeah, yeah, which would have been
the case with Ozzy too, yeah, yeah, and that still
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blows my mind that like religious education is a, it's
a mandated thing yeah in Great Britain. Yeah, I think
now it's Islam, but um.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Oh my.
So
Speaker 2 (10:46):
I
think what do they call, they call it multicultural education.
That's truly they they they renamed religious education as a multicultural.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
So the young man you're talking about, Brian, I believe,
is Dylan Novak, and, uh, he goes by the celebrity evangelist.
His website is celebrityevangelist.org, and he just goes around when he,
when he knows there's a concert around or some kind
of a convention or something, and he meets with these people,
he gives them Bibles and stuff. So on his Facebook page,
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he posted, posted about an hour ago that Ozzy said
in an interview.
With The Guardian in 2014, I'm a Christian. I was
christened as a Christian. I used to go to Sunday school.
I never took much interest in it because I didn't.
My idea of heaven is feeling good, a place where
people are all right to each other. This world scares me.
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He went on to say that he doesn't understand the
Bible because it's written in a language he doesn't and
cannot understand.
So Dylan writes, celebrity evangelist on Facebook. When I met him,
I introduced myself, told him I had a gift based
on his spiritual beliefs. He said, Let's see it. I
pulled out a new believer's Bible that's easy to read.
As he was looking at it, he said, Is that
my name on the cover? You can almost picture. You
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can almost hear Ozzy say that. I told him the
reason I came to meet him was because I love
and care about him and his soul. After thumbing through
the Bible and looking at the Gospels for a moment,
he said, I can understand this.
And then two weeks later he met, like you said, Brian, um,
Ozzie's son Jack at a convention in Kentucky, and, uh, yeah,
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so the story that um that you told just a
few minutes ago, but yeah.
Yes, so please be praying for the Osborne family. Now
there's a lot of people that, I mean, back in
the day when he used to do the whole, you know,
shtick of being on stage and supposedly biting the heads
off of animals and all that and
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And I mean, he was like not the best friend
of the moral majority you could say so yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Well, and you know another person who was identical to
that and who is a Christian is Alice Cooper, yeah.
And um I just listening to our friend Justin Briley,
his um uh surprising rebirth of of belief in God podcast,
and he, he does, he does this thing where he's
talking about um.
You know, he, he's kind of looking all across the culture, academics, uh, celebrities,
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you know, different politicians, people, people who are kind of
coming around and starting to, um, profess faith. So he
did one on music, and I, you know, just by
the by the title of it, I thought it was
gonna be.
Um, you know, he's talking to Chris Tomlin and, you know,
guys like that, but it wasn't. He was going back,
he starts, I sent it. Did I send it to you?
(13:31):
I did send it to you. I haven't looked at
it yet. The 1st 15 minutes of it are you too,
and he starts with them from the very beginning and
he follows their journey. But then he goes and he, uh, he,
so he does this whole thing on Alice Cooper and, uh,
I mean, we, we remember Alice Cooper, right? Yeah. And
I was, I was in a band singing, um, schools
out for the.
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For the, the summer grad grad night for in Southern California,
but anyway, um, so and, and you know, Alice's, um, Vince, um,
whatever his last name is, uh, his story is fascinating
because he was, his dad was a preacher and you know,
he was like raising heck like you can't and you
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know he was doing the whole dark, you know, he
had the snake and.
You know, supposedly bit the head off of a chicken,
which he says he did not actually do that. Um, but,
you know, he's, of course, you know, Greg Laurie, uh,
become friends with him and yeah, wrote, wrote a great chapter, uh, about, um,
Alice in that book that he did a few years ago, Lennon, um, Dylan, Dylan,
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Alice and Jesus, yeah. So anyway.
You know, it's, it's that time though, right, where all
of these guys, I mean some, you know, it's, it's
astounding that Jagger and Ringo and Paul McCartney and these,
these guys are still doing concerts even, but a lot
of these guys, I mean this is the time, you know,
they'll be passing off the scene. They, yeah, it's, it's
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hard to imagine like a, a media without their names, yeah,
in it, so.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Yes, indeed. 888-564-6173 is our number. Here's another question that
was sent in online on, uh, well, through the Kwave.com
pastor's perspective page. Brittany in antelope writes, I have a
question regarding having the mind of Christ. Does this have
anything to do with going back to college to get
wisdom and knowledge, or does this have more to do
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with character?
I have many problems in my life with how to
have the mind of Christ in every situation. For example,
dating while still in college. I need advice about how
to go about it because I do not want to
land in sin. Brian, what do you
tell Brittany?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Well, no, the mind of Christ isn't um attained through
a college education.
Um, uh, you know, you can obviously learn things with
the college education and that's a good thing, but the
mind of Christ is, is spiritual and it's, you know,
that term is used by Paul when he's, he's talking
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to the Corinthian believers and he's, he says to them, um,
You know, no one knows the a man like the
spirit of the man within him. Likewise, no one knows
God like the spirit of God. And then he goes
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on and he says, but we believers, we have the
mind of Christ because Christ is in us. So it's
Christ being in us, um, we have the mind of
Christ and the mind of Christ is developed through the
word of Christ.
So as you, um, spend your time in God's word,
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you know, just taking a chunk of time each day
to just open up the Bible and read it and say,
God speak to me as you uh go to a
church where the scriptures are upheld and honored and proclaimed faithfully,
and you're hearing um gifted people.
Teach and preach God's word. All of this is developing
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the mind of Christ in you. Mhm.
What do you think, Rich? Yeah, well, Philippians 2:1 and
the King James I like it says, let this mind
be in you which was also in Christ Jesus. And
of course that's that magnificent chapter on the, the way
of Jesus, the his, his humility, his sacrificial love, and
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that is the way that the Holy Spirit wants to transform.
Our our lives by the renewing of our minds like
showing us, no this is the mind of Christ to
to be uh uh humble, to be a servant, to
love sacrificially, and that is the that is the mind
of Christ and I think a good way to know
whether or not we're engaged in in in his.
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Mind, his way of thinking is we can just go
to places like that in Philippians and go, oh, this
resonates with with the mind of Christ, this this part
of me, and then we can see where we're dissonant,
you know, what's not in tune in the way we're thinking.
Um, you know, and you think they might, you know,
Jesus said, you know, love your enemies. That's the mind
of Christ. What did he say right after they nailed
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his hands to the, to the, the cross beam of
the cross, lifted him up, dropped the cross beam into
the vertical post of the cross, nailed his feet to
that vertical thing. He looked at them, the guys who
just drove drove nails through his hands and said, Father,
forgive them. That's the mind of Christ, so.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
So how can Brittany use or like she says in
her in dating situation while in college, how will having
the mind of Christ help her in to stay away
from sin?
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Well, I think, you know, the scriptures teach us what
What sin is, and it sort as to, you know,
stay away from sin. Uh, they teach us how to
live and so the more you
Um, immerse yourself in God's word, and the more the
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word of Christ dwells in you, you're gonna be able
to discern. You're, you're gonna be able to see, uh, from, uh, uh,
you know, a, a mile away, you're gonna see something
come in and go, OK, no, that's not, that's not where.
I, I'm not gonna receive that or embrace that because
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that's not according to God's word. You know, the, the
beautiful thing, and sometimes people don't realize the significance of
the Bible. I mean, the Bible is, uh, you know,
we have lots of questions about lots of things, and
we have questions about morality and ethics, and like, well,
what what is really right and and you know, what
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is wrong? Well,
God did not leave it, uh, just to a guessing game.
He tells us in His word. That's why it's so
important to um immerse ourselves in the word of God
and to have the word of God, uh, living in us.
And it reminds me of what, um, David wrote in
the Psalm that, um.
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You know, he says, how can a young man, or
how can a young person cleanse their way uh by
taking heed to your word? And then he says, Your
word is a lamp to my feet and a light
to my path, and there's one more of those in
that song that I'm forgetting, but, you know, the idea
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is that it's God's word and and are hiding it
in our heart.
That helps us to live the way God wants us
to live.
Yeah, I, I think too that passage, it's in Philippians one, Brian,
where it says, and it is my prayer that your
love may abound more and more with knowledge and all discernment,
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and it, it the the picture there is that the,
the knowledge of the truth in God's word serves our love,
and we discern it, we put it to the test,
we put our choices to the test. Is this something
that that God would affirm in my life? And there are,
I mean there obviously.
You know, is this guy the very guy, you know, we,
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you know, he could have all those right character traits,
loves the Lord, loves the word of God, loves the
people of God.
You know, loves the lost. You can have all those
wonderful things, but we do, you know, God's not gonna
say that's the guy, but it definitely puts him in
the category of this could be the guy. And then
you have to let the Lord sort it out and
sort it out and um but I, I, I really
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love that picture. I've always loved that verse, you know,
I remember just teaching high school kids this so many
times when I was a high school pastor here.
You know, it's like, wow, put it to the test
of God's word, you know, and, and be able to
endorse it and to to just, you know.
There's something that's excellent, so that it says so that
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you may approve what is excellent, you know, this is
the excellent, isn't the best, yeah, yeah, yeah, and I,
and I think, you know, uh.
I have heard so many times when, you know, somebody's
talking about maybe somebody that they're dating or thinking about dating,
and then you ask them the question, um, well, are
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they a believer? And the response is, well, you know,
I think so, or, well, you know, they're, you know,
Catholic or they're, you know, they, they were kind of
tag them with some uh denominational tag or something like that.
And it's like, no, no, no, no, no, no. OK, look, if,
if you know what you're looking for, this is, this
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is where scripture is gonna help you. You, you're looking
for somebody who you're not guessing whether they know the Lord.
It's obvious they know the Lord, you know, their, their
life is revolving around Jesus, and it is doesn't mean
their life is perfect, but it means like, hey, this
is what my life is all about. Yeah, and you'll
know that, yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
All right, Brittany, thank you for sending in your question online,
and now we're gonna go to the phones. Here is Yolanda,
who's listening to us in Corona on FM 107.9 K wave.
Welcome to Pastor's perspective, Yolanda.
Hi, how are you? Can you hear me? Yep, loud
and clear.
Oh, I know loud. I'm very loud. Anyway, questions so.
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A situation has come up where a pastor has been,
accusations have been brought against the pastor, and they're basing
it off of um the Bible verse, Matthew, Matthew.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Let me get it. 18. Matthew,
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Matthew
Speaker 2 (23:50):
18
Speaker 1 (23:51):
verses 15 through 17, yes.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
So,
Speaker 1 (23:55):
with that being said, um,
Like
Everybody left the church. Where is it to say, like,
what about?
Does every, should everybody have left?
Like the church is so divided, like, a lot of,
like a lot of people left.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Well, um,
So the allegation, the question.
Is were the allegations true or are they just allegations?
Speaker 1 (24:27):
The, the pastor said that, um, well, one of the
allegations weren't true and then the other one, he had
somebody come and speak on it so that one was
proved to be wrong.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
So he did misuse church funds. He admitted that he
misused church funds.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
No, he had somebody come and tell, and he had the, um,
he had somebody from the accounting department who handles the
church financials come and say, well, they came and gave
a
Speaker 2 (24:55):
speech
Speaker 1 (24:56):
about, you know, just saying how nothing was mishandled.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Oh.
But then everybody still left.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Well, they did because I guess based on that Matthew
on the on that verse they had submitted their, they had,
they had went to the board asking for help, but
they um put them like they were saying like, well
if you guys don't give me this information, then we're
going to resign and then so the board took that out,
then I, they were just the board took their resignation
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effective immediately.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
The resignation of the pastor or from?
Who, who resigned just out of curiosity.
So other pastors,
Speaker 1 (25:38):
there was more than one pastor at the church. So
the lead pastor is the one who's under the, uh, the, um, allegations,
but all his other pastors are like the youth pastors,
they went to the board based on information they had,
and they told them, they said, you know,
Speaker 2 (25:53):
well, if you
We have a right to know
Speaker 1 (25:57):
this,
Speaker 2 (25:57):
and if you don't, then
Speaker 1 (25:58):
we're going to resign.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
They.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
They took their resignation effective immediately. And did all the
congregation leave too?
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Uh, a lot
Speaker 1 (26:10):
of it did, yes. Mm.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
And is the pastor continuing, is he continuing on?
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Um, he, well, he's going to, but I
Speaker 2 (26:20):
mean, there's been some other people
Speaker 1 (26:21):
there preaching
Speaker 2 (26:22):
and stuff, but,
Speaker 1 (26:23):
um, I, I, he is going to.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yeah, wow, what a mess. Well, you know, one of
the things that comes to my mind, Yolanda, is
I think we want, we should really understand the, the,
the importance of a local church.
Um, and how it's not just a thing that we
just kind of, we can kind of saunter in and
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then just at a whim walk away. It's something we
should really believe God's called us to this group of people.
God wants us to be committed to this and when
there's ugly stuff that happens in the church, when our
when when the your first response is to just run
and get out and you know, I don't want to
be messed up in this.
I mean, obviously some things can get to the point
(27:10):
where they just never get resolved, but I, I would,
I would hope that there would have been a real
process in which this guy would have been heard, he
would have been seen, and he, he would have been
able to share his thing and I don't think it
was great for the board to just, you know, if
you don't, you don't, if you don't.
Believe us without seeing the the the financials, then, you know, you're,
(27:34):
we want your resignations immediately. And like that doesn't make
much sense either. That doesn't sound like um the way
it should go. I just think some of these things
can be very painful and very long, and yet the
the that's where we want the mind of Christ, like
you look at
How patient he is, how long suffering he is with us,
and you don't want somebody in the pulpit, nor leading
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a congregation who's just not ethically sound, but to get
to the bottom of it and then find a replacement
for the guy. But, you know, if you want this
church to be the church God wants it to be,
then walk with it through everything.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Right, exactly. That's, that's what I wanted to hear because
my family, we don't want to leave. You know, um,
it's sad that all this has happened. We want to
do what God says. we understand about mercy and grace,
you know, and just, we just want to
Speaker 2 (28:25):
see what happens.
Now, is, is the, is the board, are they supporting
the pastor or, or?
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Yes,
Speaker 2 (28:32):
they are. OK. Yeah, so, you know, I mean if
the board is supporting the pastor, if the
Um, if the accountant or the chief financial officer or whatever,
you know, the person is, if they've come forth and
said there actually was no abuse or misuse of funds,
and the pastor says that he didn't do it, then, um,
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I mean, OK, I think unless there's some
Glaring reason why you would think that these people aren't
being honest. I think you just accept that and like
Rich said, you just, OK, let's move forward.
But you know, we live in a time where.
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It's kind of um.
You know, it used to be innocent until proven guilty.
It's kind of flipped now it's guilty.
Regardless of where you're you're innocent,
Speaker 1 (29:30):
very true. Yolanda, thank you for calling us today here
on Pastor's Perspective. Let's take a quick break and then
we'll be back with more of your questions. What do
you want to ask Brian Broderson and Richard Cimino? 888-564-6173
is the number to call us. We're gonna be here
for about another half hour, and we'd love to hear
from you if you're watching online, call in 888-564-6173.
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Welcome back to Pastor's Perspective. 888-564-6173 is the number to
call us today until 4 o'clock. We would love to
hear from you. We've got Brian Broderson and Richard Cimino
from Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa here to answer your questions. 888-564-6173. Brian,
will you be teaching this Sunday night at Calvary Costa Mesa?
Speaker 2 (30:40):
I will not. You
Speaker 1 (30:41):
will
Speaker 2 (30:41):
not,
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Brian.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
I will be, uh, I will be in London, England
this Sunday.
And uh actually leaving on Saturday because Creation Fest is
coming up here, the 31st of July through the 3rd
of August. And so I will be going over for
the festival, and then I will be going from there
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ultimately over to Austria for our um refresh conference that
we have every year in um Milstadt, Austria.
Yeah, so I'll be gone for a bit, but we
got a great crew that's gonna be.
Filling in right here on Pastor's perspective and um my
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good friend John Chubik is going to be filling in
on the Sunday nights that I've gone. Uh, he filled
in for me a few weeks ago when I was
in New York and he started, uh, Nehemiah, so he's
just gonna kind of go through and finish Nehemiah over
the next 5 weeks, yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
So what is Creation Fest for anybody who doesn't know?
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Creation Fest is an event that we have held for,
this is our 24th year, uh, with Creation Fest. It
takes place in the southwest of England, in the uh
county of Cornwall, and it is a, um, it's a
music festival and it's a, you know, the, the way
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we communicate it there and everybody understands it.
It's a, it's a music festival Bible week, music festival
slash Bible week. So, you know, obviously it has uh
a lot of um components that are um
Centered around music, we use the music for worship and
of course we um have a lot of evangelistic opportunities
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through the music as well but but we do all
kinds of things. We have a skate park and we
have a football pitch and we have youth ministry and
we have a kids' tent where they do all kinds
of stuff for the kids, you know, yeah, I mean
it's a festival basically that goes on for a week
with a with the objective, the the twofold objective.
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is to build up Christians and to present the gospel
for free to those who don't know the Lord and
um it's been a free event from the very beginning
and we've kept it that way. I mean it it
costs money to put it but it's not to do it, yeah, uh,
but we, we kept it free because we wanted people
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uh to come without the hindrance of, well, I, I
gotta pay to get in.
And over the years, Rich, you've been there, and you know,
we have seen so many people who just literally make
their way in, people who are atheists, people who wouldn't
give the time of day to any conversation or thought
about God.
And they've come in and they've just been really touched
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by what they've experienced in the thousands in in the
course of uh of the festival just the visitors that
just walk on to the to the grounds to the
amazing grounds there, it's, it's amazing, yeah, I mean, I'll go,
you know, again and I'll see people that I, I,
I mean, I'll see people from.
I, I remember from 2 or 3 years ago who
gave their life to Jesus and here they are again
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and I'll see people from 10 years ago. I'll see
people from 20 years ago and just have followed their
journey from when they walked on not knowing Jesus and
now you know the kids and grandkids and it's it's
amazing and and the number of people I was always astounded,
you know, how many people.
We're in in um the the the big building there
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the shed, the shed shed, the big shed, and for
a Bible study at like what 9 in the morning
or 9:30 in the morning and it was like there's
1500 people and they've been camping out. Yeah, yeah, so
do this it's a camp out, you know, so people,
people are there in the campgrounds and then people come
from some of the local towns and they, they come
for the day.
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Um, but one of the really exciting things, this particular
festival is that we are going to do the, the
British premiere of the documentary, the first hymn. So the
first hymn documentary that was produced by John Dixon that
goes back and tells the story of this hymn that
was discovered in Egypt, um.
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Uh, from 1800 years ago that doesn't just have the
lyrics to a song but has also the musical notation.
And so John took that and did a beautiful documentary
around it about an hour long documentary where he goes,
you know, he's in Egypt and he's in Oxford at
the Bodleian Library and you know, all kinds of things
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and then they show the production of the song, Chris
Tomlin and Ben Fielding from um.
Bends from Sydney, uh, they were the ones who who
took and they, they kind of put the song to
a modern, um.
You know, and it's like a modern worship song. So anyway,
we're going to have John with us and he's gonna
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tell the story of
Um, show the documentary and, and tell the story, and then, um,
we'll be singing that song, which is a great song.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Very
nice. So if you guys want more information about Creation Fest,
how you can pray for it, how you can support it,
you can visit them online at creationfest.org.uk, creationfest.org.uk.
Yeah,
Speaker 2 (36:05):
and if you're adventurous and you wanna jump on a
plane and fly in a few days, yeah, come on over.
So
Speaker 1 (36:13):
it's not
too late to sign up?
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Well, you don't have to sign up for the festival.
That's true. You just walk in. That's true though, yeah, you,
but you do have to pay to camp. Yeah, you
gotta pay to camp or you gotta get a
Uh, you know, a bed and breakfast or whatever.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
This is July 31st through August 3rd. So yeah, just
get go on go on an adventure and or if
you want to go to Austria, you can get details
about that conference at refresh.global. Now I was looking for
information about the Austria conference on the Calvary Global Network website,
and I found something else that I've been meaning to
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ask you about. So this new book.
Calvary Chapel, it's essence and identity.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Right now, did we never talk about this?
Speaker 1 (36:56):
We haven't talked about this. Not since, I mean, I
took one day off, you talked about it then, but
we don't talk
Speaker 2 (37:01):
about it there. Well, it is, um, just as it says,
so we, we have produced a new, um, little book
where we look at kind of seven different aspects of, um, the,
the essence and identity of Calvary Chapel.
Um, talking to, you know, all written, all, all of
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us who contributed or, or guys who, you know, have
been in Calvary Chapel for decades, um, Richard actually did a,
a chapter. He co-authored a chapter with, um, Mike, was
it Mike Mike Niglia, yeah, that was a great chapter.
Yeah, so, um, you know, we're talking about kind of the, I,
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I do the first chapter in the book we're kind
of just reminding us of our our foundational convictions around the,
the importance of God's word, around the importance of fellowship,
around the importance of freedom in the spirit, and then
we do, um, there's a great chapter on um expositional
teaching and then there's a great chapter on.
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Um, that, that Richard and Mike did. What was the,
what was you're talking about Grace, Grace, yeah, that was
so good, yeah. And then there's a chapter on, you know,
reaching the next generations and so forth. So yes, it
is available at CGN. You can either, uh, you can
download it for free or you can order the book
and the book is 8
dollars.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Do you know if it's available at the chapel store?
it will be
Speaker 2 (38:32):
don't know that it is should be store, but yes,
we need to get it in there. But we've actually
run out of copies, so we're I see that our
back ordered. Yeah, we're going for our, uh, second printing,
which is cool,
Speaker 1 (38:44):
very
cool. So how is this book different from
Like Calvary distinctives, that's something that's been around forever. People
have heard about that,
Speaker 2 (38:51):
yeah, and people have said, what are you trying to do,
you know, replace the Calvary distinctive, um, no, Calvary distinct
is is what it is. Um, I think we're, we're
dealing with some different, um.
Topics
And I, I think it's just, it's like a refresher,
you know, it's like, OK, yeah, Calvary distinctives have been
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around a long time, uh, that was a book that,
you know,
Many people don't know this, but Pastor Chuck actually didn't
write the book, even though his name is on it. Um,
that was a book that was developed by taking transcripts
from lectures that he did in the school of ministry
that we had here for many years. So he would
go in and, you know, do his lectures, and that's,
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that's pretty much the content of the Calvary distinctives and,
you know, of course, it's been, uh, circulated throughout the
Calvary Chapels for a couple of decades now. So this
is kind of just, uh, you know, hey.
It's, it's a new day. It's a different time and
let's revisit some of these things and let's remind ourselves.
So it's kind of a reminder of these are the
things that that matter the most, you know.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
What would you say is one of the big differences
between the distinctives book and this one, or, or how
have times changed? You, you've said that it's been 20
years or so, so what might be
different?
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Well, I, you know, some of the topics are, are different. Um, we,
we don't go into all the
The details of, of what some of the stuff that
Chuck covered in the book. But I would say the,
the big difference I would say, uh, in, in my
chapters especially would be, um, you know, Chuck again, you know,
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ostensibly wrote it, but he didn't write it. Uh, so I'm,
I'm talking about.
Pastor Chuck from the standpoint of somebody that learned from him.
So he's, you know, he's telling the stories and, you know,
they're putting this together and it's him talking in the
first person. So I'm talking in the first person about
him and I'm talking about the influence that he had
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and I'm talking about the things that I learned from
him and things that I saw and how we've taken
and applied that and how we need to continue uh
with some of those things to hold hold firm to.
The things that he modeled for us and you know,
grace was, was a big one and um and I think, uh,
freedom in the spirit was a big one too and
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I think, you know, sometimes as time passes and the founder,
you know, has moved on to be with the Lord
and then you've got all different kinds of interpretations of
what um well that, you know, Chuck said this and well,
he said that, but he really meant this and, you know,
all of this kind of stuff that goes on and so.
I think it can get a little bit murky as to,
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you know, what, what it, you know, historically what have
we been about and this is just in some ways
it's a reminder. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it's very clear.
I mean, it's super clear, yeah, that it's not and it's,
and I think there's a very solid theological framework that
it all works in each chapter, you know, like, like
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my contribution to that chapter was so small compared to Mike's,
but I mean.
The the the clarity that each chapter it is in
it's just.
It leaves no doubt that that if we're gonna think
what's the essence and identity of this thing called Calvary Chapel. It's,
it's about this.
Being rooted in the word of God and going through
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the various things like, you know, just looking like, you know,
like like like a servant's heart, you know, like that
whole thing of being a servant, that's a big that's
a big part of the essence of Calvary.
Chapel ministry. And so each one of them though, they're
just so good and I think Justin did such a
great job in the the preface, is that what he wrote?
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Oh goodness, that was, yeah, it was really good. Yeah, yeah.
So just Justin Thomas, um, he's, he's kind of the
general editor. He's the, he's on on Mondays, right, uh,
with Char well
Speaker 1 (42:52):
before he moved, yeah, but
Speaker 2 (42:54):
he's he's
Speaker 1 (42:54):
in
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Florida because he's got his little setup, you know, back
there in Florida.
Um, but yeah, so he's kind of the general editor.
He wrote the preface and then he did the chapter
on the, the second coming, which is great, and then
he kind of did the, the final, just the epilogue, yeah,
sort of thing, yeah, and, and I did, um, I
did a chapter on the, the, the ministry of the
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Holy Spirit. So this has been, uh, the essence of
Calvary Chapel has been uh heavy dependency on the spirit
of God, so.
Yeah, again, it's a a lot of it's just.
Uh, reminder. Mhm, mhm.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
All right, so you can, uh, backorder, the, the book's
on backorder right now, but you can still place an
order if you want. It's called Calvary Chapel. It's essence
and Identity. You can find it on the Calvary Global
Network website, which is CGN.org. You can also download it
for free. If you want to go to the chapel
store of Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa, call them first, cause
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I don't know if they have it in stock, so
make sure you call ahead of time, especially if you're
driving from far, far away.
Their number 714540-2941. All right. Looks like a good book, CGN.org.
Here's another question that was sent in online. This one
is from Danny, who writes, Dear pastors, are you aware
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of any health studies that validate verses declaring as unclean,
for example, animals that don't have a divided hoof, or
that don't chew the cud or creatures that do not
have fins and scales, all found in Leviticus X1.
Uh, what would you say, Brian?
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Um,
Well, yes, uh there there is a book that was written, um,
quite a few years ago.
Called none of these diseases. I remember I used to
work in the chapel store and, um, and you know
it's a
Speaker 1 (44:50):
this one was almost required reading right along with Calvary distinctive. Yeah,
Speaker 2 (44:54):
so SI McMillan, you know, he, he was an MD,
and he went through and he from the medical standpoint,
he looked at some of these Levitical laws.
And like the dietary laws, for example, you know, he
talks about um pork, uh, you know, for a long,
long time, pork was, um, seen as, you know, the, um,
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With trichinosis, there were, there was some, some worm that
was oftentimes found in pork if it wasn't cooked properly.
And of course, we know shellfish are kind of the
scavengers of the sea bottom feeders and so forth. So
some things like that, um, and, and then I think
that the book was probably updated about um.
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Oh gosh, I know they did an update on it, uh,
10 years ago, maybe or something like that or I
don't know, maybe 25 years ago now.
It says 2000 here. Um, but anyway, it's, it's a
good book, but then also the dietary laws and these
different things they talk about, he does a whole chapter
(45:59):
on circumcision and it's fascinating, um.
And hand washing and he, he talks about the doctor,
the Jewish doctor who actually um introduced washing hands, who
was persecuted, who was um ridiculed and mocked, and basically,
you know, lots of lots of women were dying in childbirth.
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And what they discovered what he suspected and then proved
to be the case is that women were getting diseases
because people weren't washing their hands and that's why they
were dying.
And so I what he's a Jewish doctor, I forget
his name. But anyway, that's all in none of these diseases.
But then the other part of it is, uh, some
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of it had to do with um
God keeping Israel separate from the other nations. That was
a big part of what a lot of those laws
had to do with, so.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
All right, uh, Danny, thank you for sending in your question.
Did you have any,
Speaker 2 (47:00):
the way they ate was, was like a daily reminder
that they belonged to Yahweh. They were, they were distinct
from all, all the other peoples in that sense, and,
and then they just to trust that.
I don't know about these things, but God wants us
to do it like this, so we're gonna do it,
trust and obedience and yeah, but then of course, I
mean before the mosaic law, um, there were no dietary
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restrictions and then when Jesus came, those were all left
yeah so you love bacon. I love bacon. I love lobster.
I love shrimp. I love scallops. Thank God we live
under the new covenant. Thank you, Jesus.
Speaker 1 (47:37):
All right, Danny, thanks for sending in your question. Here's
one sent in through the pastor's perspective Instagram. It is from, um, well, Brenda,
I think. Will Christ's chosen need to go through the tribulation.
Brian,
Speaker 2 (47:57):
Christ chosen need to go through the tribulation. Well, I,
I think you have to um make a little bit
of a distinction because we are the chosen currently believers
in Jesus, um, members of his body, um, you know,
we are, we are the church of Jesus and I
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do not think that the church, um,
Will go through the tribulation, but
When you get into the tribulation, you find that there
are still people who are chosen uh people coming to
Jesus in all the way through the tribulation and then
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of course Israel um in in in a national sort
of a way is brought back into um relation with
God and so they would be the chosen as well, yeah.
And it, and you know, it's not like, you know,
you give your life to Jesus and you'll never face
tribulation period. You know, I think Jesus talks about great tribulation,
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right in the all of that discord, but, but the
night before he died, he says, you know, I've spoken
to you these things that you might have peace in
the world you will have tribulation. The the Christian life
is not one free of tribulation.
But I believe as you do that there is a
great tribulation yet in front of us and um I
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believe the church won't be a part of that but
like you said, Israel, God is gonna be dealing with
Israel during that period of time and there are gonna
be many people who come to faith in you who
refuse to take the mark of the beast and and
they will die for it and we see them, you know,
they're they're mentioned in the in the heavenly domain, yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
OK, uh, Brenda, thank you for sending in your question
on Instagram. And here's one from Margie, who wrote in
using the Kwave.com pastor's perspective page, or she might have
scanned the QR code if, uh, she was watching on Facebook, YouTube,
or Instagram. Margie writes, My married daughter has cut me
out of her life. We raised all four of our
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kids in a Christian home.
My daughter says I'm toxic and have caused her trauma
without giving me examples. My other kids say she's lying
and to ignore it. I miss her kids. I keep praying,
but I'm still at a loss. It's too much to take.
Please pray for us. Counseling hasn't really helped, to be honest.
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The hurt is constant, as are the tears. For Christmas,
we had to leave Christmas presents on their doorstep while
they were out. Never heard one word about the gifts.
Birthdays are coming up, and I really want to see them.
Never thought my retirement years would be like this. The
worst part of this is my daughter is suffering. I
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can't help her. I know she's under the influence of
a nonbeliever. We were always very close to her family,
especially the kids. Any advice on how to cope? We're
blocked on every phone number and social media. Thank you
for listening.
What do you say, Brian?
Speaker 2 (51:02):
Sad, very sad, um, not uncommon.
Uh, especially in this climate. I just, I was just
reading um an article the other day that was talking
about kids who basically, uh, have divorced their parents, you know,
basically just said, we don't have anything to do with you.
And a lot of times it's because, you know, you
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failed in this area or you raised us like this
and it messed us up and.
You know, I think it's it's just kind of an
overflow of the cancel culture that we're in, in general,
it makes its way into. And and then you know,
when kids are raised as Christians, then they feel like,
oh you deprived us of this or you forced us
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to do that or and and and you know, uh
somebody else comes along and says, yeah, yeah, you know,
that's what your parents did, you know, let's
Let's hate them. So, uh, it's sad, it's it's horribly sad,
but now, so I have a good friend.
Friends, husband and wife, who have gone through this with
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uh two of their children, and it's just the same
exact thing, like, like we, you can't even, don't dare
ever try to see us because I, I don't want
my kids to ever be around you. You're toxic, we
don't want that or so, um, I recently talked to
them and just asked them, because this has been going
(52:30):
on for, you know, some several years now.
I said, how's it going uh in that area? And
they said, uh, they said, you know, actually there's kind
of a softening going on. And so,
That was good news, but it's been a long hard
road and a prayer.
And just, you know, this is an opportunity to love
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like God loves.
Cause you know, God is spurned always by most of
his creation, and yet he keeps loving, he keeps being good,
he keeps doing good. And I think this is a
this is an opportunity to just just keep loving, just
keep praying. Like you said, you can't really do anything,
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and there's nothing you're gonna say that's gonna make a difference.
It's, it's something that they have to work out in
their own lives, and I think prayer is the best thing.
I was just, uh, that's gonna.
Lend to that, so.
Richard. Yeah, I was just gonna say at the end
when you were reading it I was just thinking wow, like,
your only recourse at this point is prayer um and
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yet I would, I would hope that there would be
some capacity, you know, like just for somebody to say
you were toxic in these ways and I experienced trauma
in this way.
So that there can be ownership and repentance of it,
if it, if that's the case or if just like let's, no,
(54:02):
let's clarify that can we walk through these things? Can
we talk through these things? Um, I mean, obviously if
somebody's been truly traumatized then, you know, they probably, you know.
But you, but in order for there to be any
kind of reconciliation, the person who's caused the pain has
to have the opportunity to legitimately confess and repent and,
and but sometimes that's the, you know, there's there's there's
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the judicial kind of forgiveness like that's gonna be between
you and God. There's the, the emotional psychological forgiveness and
you and your heart forgive them, you know, and then,
but the restoration bit that's a hard bit yeah.
And I think in this particular case, that this one
of the significant things is you've got 4 kids, 3
of them are like.
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Don't listen to this because it's not a reality and
then you got the one, you know, that's that's been
offended or or whatever the case. So but like you're
saying too, I think it's always good to say, um, hey,
you know, tell me about my toxicity or where have I, um,
done that so I can own that and I can
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say I'm sorry and we can hopefully move on.
Speaker 1 (55:14):
Margie, thanks for sending in your question and also her
line about counseling hasn't really helped. I would say maybe
find a new counselor in the same way that if
you were going to a medical doctor and you weren't
feeling better, go find another doctor. Yeah,
Speaker 2 (55:25):
but I think, uh, patience and prayer is, is the
way forward,
Speaker 1 (55:29):
yeah.
Margie, thank you for sending in your question. The entire
K-wave listening and viewing audience will be keeping you in prayer.
We're out of time today on Pastor's Perspective. Thanks so
much for listening and for watching. We're gonna archive today's
episode on Facebook, YouTube, Apple Podcasts, and Spotify, and call
us tomorrow if you've got a question for our panel
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of pastors, which I believe will include Pastor Brian Broderson.
Good night you guys. God bless you. Thank you for
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today at 888-564-6173. Hi guys,
Speaker 2 (01:23):
what's
up? Hey, hey, um, yeah, Tuesday. Good, good to be here. Yes.
Been busy doing some domestic type.
Chores for my wife, cleaning out the garage, getting rid
of paint cans that have been there for a decade
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at least.
You know, everything's complicated these days. You can't just put
stuff in your trash can. No, you cannot beside the
ways you have to, I had to make two trips
to the hazardous waste, um, area, and, um, but you
know what, I'm thankful that there is a hazardous waste
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area that you can actually take stuff to. So, so
that was good, yeah, so that's no more throwing it
down the drain.
Please don't in the gutter or wherever.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Please don't do that.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yeah, so anyway, that's been your day. Yeah, that's been
my day.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
All right, call us up 888-564-6173. Here's a question that
was sent in online from Krista in Hemet, who writes, um, her,
her basic question is one that we kind of get
a lot here on Pastor's perspective, but I love her story,
so I'm just gonna uh read it. It's um uh
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when I was 14.
I had a child out of wedlock. The father was
not a great person in the sense he was a
gang member in and out of jail. Aside from my
rebellious teenage years, I have always been a believer and
was raised in the church. So when I turned 18,
I decided to marry him in a civil union at
the courthouse. After, he became a drug addict and abandoned us.
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We haven't seen him now for over 18 years.
I did get a divorce a few years after he left.
I met my wonderful current husband after that. We've been
together since 2010, have been married since 2015. He's a wonderful,
loving man, a wonderful father and husband. We live a good,
normal life. He's the definition of a perfect spouse and
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everything I used to pray for. We've been reading the
Bible together lately, and the book of Matthew has several
verses that talk about being with a woman previously married
and how that makes my husband an adulterer.
Before my first husband left, I used to pray for deliverance,
not from him specifically, but from my horrible situation. I
had always felt that God did deliver me from it
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because I actively fought to save my marriage and Him,
but to no avail. I felt that my first husband
leaving and me meeting my current husband must have been
in God's plan for my life. But my question is,
in the eyes of God, is my second marriage legitimate? Richard,
what do you say to Christa?
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Well,
Christopher, that's a great story and um I, I, I'll
just start with it, um, saying this. Paul, Paul wrote
to the Corinthians in his first letter, he says, if
any woman has a husband who is an unbeliever.
And he, the unbelieving husband, consents to live with her.
She should not divorce him, but then he goes on
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to say two verses down. But if the unbelieving partner separates,
let it be so. In such cases, the brother or
sister is not enslaved. God has called you to peace.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
You can rest on that, Christa. Brian, what do you
Speaker 2 (04:45):
add? Well, that was the exact passage I turned to.
So
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Richard got there first,
Speaker 2 (04:50):
so I that's what I was looking at when you
walked in. I was looking at it like that. So
it's not like I just say amen and amen. Yeah, um, yeah, absolutely,
you know, you're, you're right to think that God brought
your husband into your life.
And brought you guys together and just keep enjoying the
wonderful blessing that your marriage is and don't be stumbled
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by any of this stuff because you know those passages
in Matthew are very specific in in very specific context
and um they don't apply in your situation, but the,
but the First Corinthians passage clearly does.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Very good, Christa, thank you for sending in your question
and telling your story. Uh, great to see how the
Lord worked that out. 888-564-6173 is our number. Now, uh,
Zoe and Banning asks, since I am made righteous by Jesus,
am I still a sinner, or am I perfectly imperfect
to Jesus? What do you say, Brian?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Well, you know, we are justified and we are declared righteous, uh,
but we still sin, so we should identify ourselves probably more, um,
on the positive side of I am now declared righteous
in Christ. So my identity is as a child of God,
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somebody who's been redeemed rather than my identity being a sinner,
even though I still sin.
That's no longer um who I am primarily. So, you know,
before you're saved, um,
You are, your primary identity is a sinner, but when
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you come to Christ, your new identity is in Christ,
and you still sin, but you're no longer identified as
a sinner.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Richard,
Speaker 2 (06:48):
anything to
Speaker 1 (06:48):
add? Yeah,
Speaker 2 (06:49):
um, I, I just think, you know, the apostle John
in his first letter, he, he addresses the reality of
believers being sinners. He says, if we claim to be
without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not
in us. If we confess our sins, he's faithful and
just and will forgive us our sins and purify us
from all unrighteousness. If we claimed we have not sinned,
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we make him out to be a liar, and his
word is not in us.
And then he goes on to say in the second chapter,
he says, my dear children, I write this to you
so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin,
we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ, the
righteous one. And so there's the, the reality, he's writing
to believers, talks about the reality of sin. He's writing
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to exhort them to not sin, but if we do sin,
we have an advocate Jesus the righteous, so.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yeah, very good. Zoe, thank you for sending in your
question from Banning. 888-564-6173 is the number to call. I'll
read another question that was sent in online, but first,
the biggest news story of the day, uh, Ozzy Osbourne
has passed away.
Why is that huge for us? I don't know, but
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it's just, he was just a cultural icon, you could say.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Um, I, I, I remember getting my first Black Sabbath
album when I was probably 12 years old, so I
might have been 18. Yeah, so because, you know, I,
I mean, he has been, uh, I mean, back, back
in those days, you know, it was Black Sabbath and
then Ozzy kind of emerged out of that, um, but yeah,
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so I mean, he's been a, a, a common.
Um, cultural person for many, um, but I was telling you, Brian, um,
I saw something the other day that was super cool,
where this guy, now I, I think there was just
like a Black Sabbath reunion or something, and, you know,
they did, did a thing and, um, and I remember
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seeing a, a, a photo of Ozzy and I thought,
oh boy, he, he doesn't look long for this world. Uh,
so I was a little bit shocked to hear this today,
but not totally.
Um, but anyway, this, this young guy was telling the story,
I think it must have been on Instagram or something,
he was telling the story of having given, uh, Ozzy
a Bible, and he gave him a Bible with, um,
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with he had his name embossed on it. And, and
then he wanted to do some follow up but he
didn't want to be weird about it, but he ended
up sort of um randomly running in.
Uh, to the son of Ozzy, and he was like,
oh my gosh, you're the guy who gave my dad
the Bible. My dad loves that Bible. That's the, he
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cherishes that more than anything, and he's actually our family,
we're reading that Bible together, you know, he's telling the story.
So I thought, well, this is quite interesting, you know,
isn't that good of God? Yeah, right, right down to
the very end, like, you know.
You've been going this one way for a long, long time,
you know, just I'd like you to think about this
other way. Yeah, it's amazing. You know, I saw something
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the other day too that I'd never seen this before, um,
you know, David Bowie died back a few years ago.
And um one of the concerts um that he he
was doing, um, he led the whole, I think it's
Wembley Stadium in England, I think he, he led the
whole stadium in the Lord's Prayer. Lord's Prayer. But you
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know these guys like Bowie and Jagger and, you know,
the Beatle guys, you know, all of those guys had.
They had religious education when they were growing up, right?
And they all grew up under either Catholicism or the
or the Church of England. So you find those those
influences have been there, yeah, yeah, which would have been
the case with Ozzy too, yeah, yeah, and that still
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blows my mind that like religious education is a, it's
a mandated thing yeah in Great Britain. Yeah, I think
now it's Islam, but um.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Oh my.
So
Speaker 2 (10:46):
I
think what do they call, they call it multicultural education.
That's truly they they they renamed religious education as a multicultural.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
So the young man you're talking about, Brian, I believe,
is Dylan Novak, and, uh, he goes by the celebrity evangelist.
His website is celebrityevangelist.org, and he just goes around when he,
when he knows there's a concert around or some kind
of a convention or something, and he meets with these people,
he gives them Bibles and stuff. So on his Facebook page,
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he posted, posted about an hour ago that Ozzy said
in an interview.
With The Guardian in 2014, I'm a Christian. I was
christened as a Christian. I used to go to Sunday school.
I never took much interest in it because I didn't.
My idea of heaven is feeling good, a place where
people are all right to each other. This world scares me.
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He went on to say that he doesn't understand the
Bible because it's written in a language he doesn't and
cannot understand.
So Dylan writes, celebrity evangelist on Facebook. When I met him,
I introduced myself, told him I had a gift based
on his spiritual beliefs. He said, Let's see it. I
pulled out a new believer's Bible that's easy to read.
As he was looking at it, he said, Is that
my name on the cover? You can almost picture. You
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can almost hear Ozzy say that. I told him the
reason I came to meet him was because I love
and care about him and his soul. After thumbing through
the Bible and looking at the Gospels for a moment,
he said, I can understand this.
And then two weeks later he met, like you said, Brian, um,
Ozzie's son Jack at a convention in Kentucky, and, uh, yeah,
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so the story that um that you told just a
few minutes ago, but yeah.
Yes, so please be praying for the Osborne family. Now
there's a lot of people that, I mean, back in
the day when he used to do the whole, you know,
shtick of being on stage and supposedly biting the heads
off of animals and all that and
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And I mean, he was like not the best friend
of the moral majority you could say so yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Well, and you know another person who was identical to
that and who is a Christian is Alice Cooper, yeah.
And um I just listening to our friend Justin Briley,
his um uh surprising rebirth of of belief in God podcast,
and he, he does, he does this thing where he's
talking about um.
You know, he, he's kind of looking all across the culture, academics, uh, celebrities,
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you know, different politicians, people, people who are kind of
coming around and starting to, um, profess faith. So he
did one on music, and I, you know, just by
the by the title of it, I thought it was
gonna be.
Um, you know, he's talking to Chris Tomlin and, you know,
guys like that, but it wasn't. He was going back,
he starts, I sent it. Did I send it to you?
(13:31):
I did send it to you. I haven't looked at
it yet. The 1st 15 minutes of it are you too,
and he starts with them from the very beginning and
he follows their journey. But then he goes and he, uh, he,
so he does this whole thing on Alice Cooper and, uh,
I mean, we, we remember Alice Cooper, right? Yeah. And
I was, I was in a band singing, um, schools
out for the.
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For the, the summer grad grad night for in Southern California,
but anyway, um, so and, and you know, Alice's, um, Vince, um,
whatever his last name is, uh, his story is fascinating
because he was, his dad was a preacher and you know,
he was like raising heck like you can't and you
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know he was doing the whole dark, you know, he
had the snake and.
You know, supposedly bit the head off of a chicken,
which he says he did not actually do that. Um, but,
you know, he's, of course, you know, Greg Laurie, uh,
become friends with him and yeah, wrote, wrote a great chapter, uh, about, um,
Alice in that book that he did a few years ago, Lennon, um, Dylan, Dylan,
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Alice and Jesus, yeah. So anyway.
You know, it's, it's that time though, right, where all
of these guys, I mean some, you know, it's, it's
astounding that Jagger and Ringo and Paul McCartney and these,
these guys are still doing concerts even, but a lot
of these guys, I mean this is the time, you know,
they'll be passing off the scene. They, yeah, it's, it's
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hard to imagine like a, a media without their names, yeah,
in it, so.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Yes, indeed. 888-564-6173 is our number. Here's another question that
was sent in online on, uh, well, through the Kwave.com
pastor's perspective page. Brittany in antelope writes, I have a
question regarding having the mind of Christ. Does this have
anything to do with going back to college to get
wisdom and knowledge, or does this have more to do
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with character?
I have many problems in my life with how to
have the mind of Christ in every situation. For example,
dating while still in college. I need advice about how
to go about it because I do not want to
land in sin. Brian, what do you
tell Brittany?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Well, no, the mind of Christ isn't um attained through
a college education.
Um, uh, you know, you can obviously learn things with
the college education and that's a good thing, but the
mind of Christ is, is spiritual and it's, you know,
that term is used by Paul when he's, he's talking
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to the Corinthian believers and he's, he says to them, um,
You know, no one knows the a man like the
spirit of the man within him. Likewise, no one knows
God like the spirit of God. And then he goes
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on and he says, but we believers, we have the
mind of Christ because Christ is in us. So it's
Christ being in us, um, we have the mind of
Christ and the mind of Christ is developed through the
word of Christ.
So as you, um, spend your time in God's word,
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you know, just taking a chunk of time each day
to just open up the Bible and read it and say,
God speak to me as you uh go to a
church where the scriptures are upheld and honored and proclaimed faithfully,
and you're hearing um gifted people.
Teach and preach God's word. All of this is developing
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the mind of Christ in you. Mhm.
What do you think, Rich? Yeah, well, Philippians 2:1 and
the King James I like it says, let this mind
be in you which was also in Christ Jesus. And
of course that's that magnificent chapter on the, the way
of Jesus, the his, his humility, his sacrificial love, and
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that is the way that the Holy Spirit wants to transform.
Our our lives by the renewing of our minds like
showing us, no this is the mind of Christ to
to be uh uh humble, to be a servant, to
love sacrificially, and that is the that is the mind
of Christ and I think a good way to know
whether or not we're engaged in in in his.
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Mind, his way of thinking is we can just go
to places like that in Philippians and go, oh, this
resonates with with the mind of Christ, this this part
of me, and then we can see where we're dissonant,
you know, what's not in tune in the way we're thinking.
Um, you know, and you think they might, you know,
Jesus said, you know, love your enemies. That's the mind
of Christ. What did he say right after they nailed
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his hands to the, to the, the cross beam of
the cross, lifted him up, dropped the cross beam into
the vertical post of the cross, nailed his feet to
that vertical thing. He looked at them, the guys who
just drove drove nails through his hands and said, Father,
forgive them. That's the mind of Christ, so.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
So how can Brittany use or like she says in
her in dating situation while in college, how will having
the mind of Christ help her in to stay away
from sin?
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Well, I think, you know, the scriptures teach us what
What sin is, and it sort as to, you know,
stay away from sin. Uh, they teach us how to
live and so the more you
Um, immerse yourself in God's word, and the more the
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word of Christ dwells in you, you're gonna be able
to discern. You're, you're gonna be able to see, uh, from, uh, uh,
you know, a, a mile away, you're gonna see something
come in and go, OK, no, that's not, that's not where.
I, I'm not gonna receive that or embrace that because
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that's not according to God's word. You know, the, the
beautiful thing, and sometimes people don't realize the significance of
the Bible. I mean, the Bible is, uh, you know,
we have lots of questions about lots of things, and
we have questions about morality and ethics, and like, well,
what what is really right and and you know, what
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is wrong? Well,
God did not leave it, uh, just to a guessing game.
He tells us in His word. That's why it's so
important to um immerse ourselves in the word of God
and to have the word of God, uh, living in us.
And it reminds me of what, um, David wrote in
the Psalm that, um.
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You know, he says, how can a young man, or
how can a young person cleanse their way uh by
taking heed to your word? And then he says, Your
word is a lamp to my feet and a light
to my path, and there's one more of those in
that song that I'm forgetting, but, you know, the idea
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is that it's God's word and and are hiding it
in our heart.
That helps us to live the way God wants us
to live.
Yeah, I, I think too that passage, it's in Philippians one, Brian,
where it says, and it is my prayer that your
love may abound more and more with knowledge and all discernment,
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and it, it the the picture there is that the,
the knowledge of the truth in God's word serves our love,
and we discern it, we put it to the test,
we put our choices to the test. Is this something
that that God would affirm in my life? And there are,
I mean there obviously.
You know, is this guy the very guy, you know, we,
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you know, he could have all those right character traits,
loves the Lord, loves the word of God, loves the
people of God.
You know, loves the lost. You can have all those
wonderful things, but we do, you know, God's not gonna
say that's the guy, but it definitely puts him in
the category of this could be the guy. And then
you have to let the Lord sort it out and
sort it out and um but I, I, I really
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love that picture. I've always loved that verse, you know,
I remember just teaching high school kids this so many
times when I was a high school pastor here.
You know, it's like, wow, put it to the test
of God's word, you know, and, and be able to
endorse it and to to just, you know.
There's something that's excellent, so that it says so that
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you may approve what is excellent, you know, this is
the excellent, isn't the best, yeah, yeah, yeah, and I,
and I think, you know, uh.
I have heard so many times when, you know, somebody's
talking about maybe somebody that they're dating or thinking about dating,
and then you ask them the question, um, well, are
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they a believer? And the response is, well, you know,
I think so, or, well, you know, they're, you know,
Catholic or they're, you know, they, they were kind of
tag them with some uh denominational tag or something like that.
And it's like, no, no, no, no, no, no. OK, look, if,
if you know what you're looking for, this is, this
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is where scripture is gonna help you. You, you're looking
for somebody who you're not guessing whether they know the Lord.
It's obvious they know the Lord, you know, their, their
life is revolving around Jesus, and it is doesn't mean
their life is perfect, but it means like, hey, this
is what my life is all about. Yeah, and you'll
know that, yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
All right, Brittany, thank you for sending in your question online,
and now we're gonna go to the phones. Here is Yolanda,
who's listening to us in Corona on FM 107.9 K wave.
Welcome to Pastor's perspective, Yolanda.
Hi, how are you? Can you hear me? Yep, loud
and clear.
Oh, I know loud. I'm very loud. Anyway, questions so.
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A situation has come up where a pastor has been,
accusations have been brought against the pastor, and they're basing
it off of um the Bible verse, Matthew, Matthew.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Let me get it. 18. Matthew,
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Matthew
Speaker 2 (23:50):
18
Speaker 1 (23:51):
verses 15 through 17, yes.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
So,
Speaker 1 (23:55):
with that being said, um,
Like
Everybody left the church. Where is it to say, like,
what about?
Does every, should everybody have left?
Like the church is so divided, like, a lot of,
like a lot of people left.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Well, um,
So the allegation, the question.
Is were the allegations true or are they just allegations?
Speaker 1 (24:27):
The, the pastor said that, um, well, one of the
allegations weren't true and then the other one, he had
somebody come and speak on it so that one was
proved to be wrong.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
So he did misuse church funds. He admitted that he
misused church funds.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
No, he had somebody come and tell, and he had the, um,
he had somebody from the accounting department who handles the
church financials come and say, well, they came and gave
a
Speaker 2 (24:55):
speech
Speaker 1 (24:56):
about, you know, just saying how nothing was mishandled.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Oh.
But then everybody still left.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Well, they did because I guess based on that Matthew
on the on that verse they had submitted their, they had,
they had went to the board asking for help, but
they um put them like they were saying like, well
if you guys don't give me this information, then we're
going to resign and then so the board took that out,
then I, they were just the board took their resignation
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effective immediately.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
The resignation of the pastor or from?
Who, who resigned just out of curiosity.
So other pastors,
Speaker 1 (25:38):
there was more than one pastor at the church. So
the lead pastor is the one who's under the, uh, the, um, allegations,
but all his other pastors are like the youth pastors,
they went to the board based on information they had,
and they told them, they said, you know,
Speaker 2 (25:53):
well, if you
We have a right to know
Speaker 1 (25:57):
this,
Speaker 2 (25:57):
and if you don't, then
Speaker 1 (25:58):
we're going to resign.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
They.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
They took their resignation effective immediately. And did all the
congregation leave too?
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Uh, a lot
Speaker 1 (26:10):
of it did, yes. Mm.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
And is the pastor continuing, is he continuing on?
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Um, he, well, he's going to, but I
Speaker 2 (26:20):
mean, there's been some other people
Speaker 1 (26:21):
there preaching
Speaker 2 (26:22):
and stuff, but,
Speaker 1 (26:23):
um, I, I, he is going to.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yeah, wow, what a mess. Well, you know, one of
the things that comes to my mind, Yolanda, is
I think we want, we should really understand the, the,
the importance of a local church.
Um, and how it's not just a thing that we
just kind of, we can kind of saunter in and
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then just at a whim walk away. It's something we
should really believe God's called us to this group of people.
God wants us to be committed to this and when
there's ugly stuff that happens in the church, when our
when when the your first response is to just run
and get out and you know, I don't want to
be messed up in this.
I mean, obviously some things can get to the point
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where they just never get resolved, but I, I would,
I would hope that there would have been a real
process in which this guy would have been heard, he
would have been seen, and he, he would have been
able to share his thing and I don't think it
was great for the board to just, you know, if
you don't, you don't, if you don't.
Believe us without seeing the the the financials, then, you know, you're,
(27:34):
we want your resignations immediately. And like that doesn't make
much sense either. That doesn't sound like um the way
it should go. I just think some of these things
can be very painful and very long, and yet the
the that's where we want the mind of Christ, like
you look at
How patient he is, how long suffering he is with us,
and you don't want somebody in the pulpit, nor leading
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a congregation who's just not ethically sound, but to get
to the bottom of it and then find a replacement
for the guy. But, you know, if you want this
church to be the church God wants it to be,
then walk with it through everything.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Right, exactly. That's, that's what I wanted to hear because
my family, we don't want to leave. You know, um,
it's sad that all this has happened. We want to
do what God says. we understand about mercy and grace,
you know, and just, we just want to
Speaker 2 (28:25):
see what happens.
Now, is, is the, is the board, are they supporting
the pastor or, or?
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Yes,
Speaker 2 (28:32):
they are. OK. Yeah, so, you know, I mean if
the board is supporting the pastor, if the
Um, if the accountant or the chief financial officer or whatever,
you know, the person is, if they've come forth and
said there actually was no abuse or misuse of funds,
and the pastor says that he didn't do it, then, um,
(28:53):
I mean, OK, I think unless there's some
Glaring reason why you would think that these people aren't
being honest. I think you just accept that and like
Rich said, you just, OK, let's move forward.
But you know, we live in a time where.
(29:14):
It's kind of um.
You know, it used to be innocent until proven guilty.
It's kind of flipped now it's guilty.
Regardless of where you're you're innocent,
Speaker 1 (29:30):
very true. Yolanda, thank you for calling us today here
on Pastor's Perspective. Let's take a quick break and then
we'll be back with more of your questions. What do
you want to ask Brian Broderson and Richard Cimino? 888-564-6173
is the number to call us. We're gonna be here
for about another half hour, and we'd love to hear
from you if you're watching online, call in 888-564-6173.
(30:19):
Welcome back to Pastor's Perspective. 888-564-6173 is the number to
call us today until 4 o'clock. We would love to
hear from you. We've got Brian Broderson and Richard Cimino
from Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa here to answer your questions. 888-564-6173. Brian,
will you be teaching this Sunday night at Calvary Costa Mesa?
Speaker 2 (30:40):
I will not. You
Speaker 1 (30:41):
will
Speaker 2 (30:41):
not,
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Brian.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
I will be, uh, I will be in London, England
this Sunday.
And uh actually leaving on Saturday because Creation Fest is
coming up here, the 31st of July through the 3rd
of August. And so I will be going over for
the festival, and then I will be going from there
(31:05):
ultimately over to Austria for our um refresh conference that
we have every year in um Milstadt, Austria.
Yeah, so I'll be gone for a bit, but we
got a great crew that's gonna be.
Filling in right here on Pastor's perspective and um my
(31:27):
good friend John Chubik is going to be filling in
on the Sunday nights that I've gone. Uh, he filled
in for me a few weeks ago when I was
in New York and he started, uh, Nehemiah, so he's
just gonna kind of go through and finish Nehemiah over
the next 5 weeks, yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
So what is Creation Fest for anybody who doesn't know?
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Creation Fest is an event that we have held for,
this is our 24th year, uh, with Creation Fest. It
takes place in the southwest of England, in the uh
county of Cornwall, and it is a, um, it's a
music festival and it's a, you know, the, the way
(32:09):
we communicate it there and everybody understands it.
It's a, it's a music festival Bible week, music festival
slash Bible week. So, you know, obviously it has uh
a lot of um components that are um
Centered around music, we use the music for worship and
of course we um have a lot of evangelistic opportunities
(32:32):
through the music as well but but we do all
kinds of things. We have a skate park and we
have a football pitch and we have youth ministry and
we have a kids' tent where they do all kinds
of stuff for the kids, you know, yeah, I mean
it's a festival basically that goes on for a week
with a with the objective, the the twofold objective.
(32:52):
is to build up Christians and to present the gospel
for free to those who don't know the Lord and
um it's been a free event from the very beginning
and we've kept it that way. I mean it it
costs money to put it but it's not to do it, yeah, uh,
but we, we kept it free because we wanted people
(33:14):
uh to come without the hindrance of, well, I, I
gotta pay to get in.
And over the years, Rich, you've been there, and you know,
we have seen so many people who just literally make
their way in, people who are atheists, people who wouldn't
give the time of day to any conversation or thought
about God.
And they've come in and they've just been really touched
(33:34):
by what they've experienced in the thousands in in the
course of uh of the festival just the visitors that
just walk on to the to the grounds to the
amazing grounds there, it's, it's amazing, yeah, I mean, I'll go,
you know, again and I'll see people that I, I,
I mean, I'll see people from.
I, I remember from 2 or 3 years ago who
gave their life to Jesus and here they are again
(33:56):
and I'll see people from 10 years ago. I'll see
people from 20 years ago and just have followed their
journey from when they walked on not knowing Jesus and
now you know the kids and grandkids and it's it's
amazing and and the number of people I was always astounded,
you know, how many people.
We're in in um the the the big building there
(34:18):
the shed, the shed shed, the big shed, and for
a Bible study at like what 9 in the morning
or 9:30 in the morning and it was like there's
1500 people and they've been camping out. Yeah, yeah, so
do this it's a camp out, you know, so people,
people are there in the campgrounds and then people come
from some of the local towns and they, they come
for the day.
(34:38):
Um, but one of the really exciting things, this particular
festival is that we are going to do the, the
British premiere of the documentary, the first hymn. So the
first hymn documentary that was produced by John Dixon that
goes back and tells the story of this hymn that
was discovered in Egypt, um.
(35:00):
Uh, from 1800 years ago that doesn't just have the
lyrics to a song but has also the musical notation.
And so John took that and did a beautiful documentary
around it about an hour long documentary where he goes,
you know, he's in Egypt and he's in Oxford at
the Bodleian Library and you know, all kinds of things
(35:22):
and then they show the production of the song, Chris
Tomlin and Ben Fielding from um.
Bends from Sydney, uh, they were the ones who who
took and they, they kind of put the song to
a modern, um.
You know, and it's like a modern worship song. So anyway,
we're going to have John with us and he's gonna
(35:42):
tell the story of
Um, show the documentary and, and tell the story, and then, um,
we'll be singing that song, which is a great song.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Very
nice. So if you guys want more information about Creation Fest,
how you can pray for it, how you can support it,
you can visit them online at creationfest.org.uk, creationfest.org.uk.
Yeah,
Speaker 2 (36:05):
and if you're adventurous and you wanna jump on a
plane and fly in a few days, yeah, come on over.
So
Speaker 1 (36:13):
it's not
too late to sign up?
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Well, you don't have to sign up for the festival.
That's true. You just walk in. That's true though, yeah, you,
but you do have to pay to camp. Yeah, you
gotta pay to camp or you gotta get a
Uh, you know, a bed and breakfast or whatever.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
This is July 31st through August 3rd. So yeah, just
get go on go on an adventure and or if
you want to go to Austria, you can get details
about that conference at refresh.global. Now I was looking for
information about the Austria conference on the Calvary Global Network website,
and I found something else that I've been meaning to
(36:47):
ask you about. So this new book.
Calvary Chapel, it's essence and identity.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Right now, did we never talk about this?
Speaker 1 (36:56):
We haven't talked about this. Not since, I mean, I
took one day off, you talked about it then, but
we don't talk
Speaker 2 (37:01):
about it there. Well, it is, um, just as it says,
so we, we have produced a new, um, little book
where we look at kind of seven different aspects of, um, the,
the essence and identity of Calvary Chapel.
Um, talking to, you know, all written, all, all of
(37:24):
us who contributed or, or guys who, you know, have
been in Calvary Chapel for decades, um, Richard actually did a,
a chapter. He co-authored a chapter with, um, Mike, was
it Mike Mike Niglia, yeah, that was a great chapter.
Yeah, so, um, you know, we're talking about kind of the, I,
(37:45):
I do the first chapter in the book we're kind
of just reminding us of our our foundational convictions around the,
the importance of God's word, around the importance of fellowship,
around the importance of freedom in the spirit, and then
we do, um, there's a great chapter on um expositional
teaching and then there's a great chapter on.
(38:08):
Um, that, that Richard and Mike did. What was the,
what was you're talking about Grace, Grace, yeah, that was
so good, yeah. And then there's a chapter on, you know,
reaching the next generations and so forth. So yes, it
is available at CGN. You can either, uh, you can
download it for free or you can order the book
and the book is 8
dollars.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Do you know if it's available at the chapel store?
it will be
Speaker 2 (38:32):
don't know that it is should be store, but yes,
we need to get it in there. But we've actually
run out of copies, so we're I see that our
back ordered. Yeah, we're going for our, uh, second printing,
which is cool,
Speaker 1 (38:44):
very
cool. So how is this book different from
Like Calvary distinctives, that's something that's been around forever. People
have heard about that,
Speaker 2 (38:51):
yeah, and people have said, what are you trying to do,
you know, replace the Calvary distinctive, um, no, Calvary distinct
is is what it is. Um, I think we're, we're
dealing with some different, um.
Topics
And I, I think it's just, it's like a refresher,
you know, it's like, OK, yeah, Calvary distinctives have been
(39:13):
around a long time, uh, that was a book that,
you know,
Many people don't know this, but Pastor Chuck actually didn't
write the book, even though his name is on it. Um,
that was a book that was developed by taking transcripts
from lectures that he did in the school of ministry
that we had here for many years. So he would
go in and, you know, do his lectures, and that's,
(39:35):
that's pretty much the content of the Calvary distinctives and,
you know, of course, it's been, uh, circulated throughout the
Calvary Chapels for a couple of decades now. So this
is kind of just, uh, you know, hey.
It's, it's a new day. It's a different time and
let's revisit some of these things and let's remind ourselves.
So it's kind of a reminder of these are the
things that that matter the most, you know.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
What would you say is one of the big differences
between the distinctives book and this one, or, or how
have times changed? You, you've said that it's been 20
years or so, so what might be
different?
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Well, I, you know, some of the topics are, are different. Um, we,
we don't go into all the
The details of, of what some of the stuff that
Chuck covered in the book. But I would say the,
the big difference I would say, uh, in, in my
chapters especially would be, um, you know, Chuck again, you know,
(40:31):
ostensibly wrote it, but he didn't write it. Uh, so I'm,
I'm talking about.
Pastor Chuck from the standpoint of somebody that learned from him.
So he's, you know, he's telling the stories and, you know,
they're putting this together and it's him talking in the
first person. So I'm talking in the first person about
him and I'm talking about the influence that he had
(40:52):
and I'm talking about the things that I learned from
him and things that I saw and how we've taken
and applied that and how we need to continue uh
with some of those things to hold hold firm to.
The things that he modeled for us and you know,
grace was, was a big one and um and I think, uh,
freedom in the spirit was a big one too and
(41:14):
I think, you know, sometimes as time passes and the founder,
you know, has moved on to be with the Lord
and then you've got all different kinds of interpretations of
what um well that, you know, Chuck said this and well,
he said that, but he really meant this and, you know,
all of this kind of stuff that goes on and so.
I think it can get a little bit murky as to,
(41:37):
you know, what, what it, you know, historically what have
we been about and this is just in some ways
it's a reminder. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it's very clear.
I mean, it's super clear, yeah, that it's not and it's,
and I think there's a very solid theological framework that
it all works in each chapter, you know, like, like
(41:58):
my contribution to that chapter was so small compared to Mike's,
but I mean.
The the the clarity that each chapter it is in
it's just.
It leaves no doubt that that if we're gonna think
what's the essence and identity of this thing called Calvary Chapel. It's,
it's about this.
Being rooted in the word of God and going through
(42:20):
the various things like, you know, just looking like, you know,
like like like a servant's heart, you know, like that
whole thing of being a servant, that's a big that's
a big part of the essence of Calvary.
Chapel ministry. And so each one of them though, they're
just so good and I think Justin did such a
great job in the the preface, is that what he wrote?
(42:41):
Oh goodness, that was, yeah, it was really good. Yeah, yeah.
So just Justin Thomas, um, he's, he's kind of the
general editor. He's the, he's on on Mondays, right, uh,
with Char well
Speaker 1 (42:52):
before he moved, yeah, but
Speaker 2 (42:54):
he's he's
Speaker 1 (42:54):
in
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Florida because he's got his little setup, you know, back
there in Florida.
Um, but yeah, so he's kind of the general editor.
He wrote the preface and then he did the chapter
on the, the second coming, which is great, and then
he kind of did the, the final, just the epilogue, yeah,
sort of thing, yeah, and, and I did, um, I
did a chapter on the, the, the ministry of the
(43:17):
Holy Spirit. So this has been, uh, the essence of
Calvary Chapel has been uh heavy dependency on the spirit
of God, so.
Yeah, again, it's a a lot of it's just.
Uh, reminder. Mhm, mhm.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
All right, so you can, uh, backorder, the, the book's
on backorder right now, but you can still place an
order if you want. It's called Calvary Chapel. It's essence
and Identity. You can find it on the Calvary Global
Network website, which is CGN.org. You can also download it
for free. If you want to go to the chapel
store of Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa, call them first, cause
(43:54):
I don't know if they have it in stock, so
make sure you call ahead of time, especially if you're
driving from far, far away.
Their number 714540-2941. All right. Looks like a good book, CGN.org.
Here's another question that was sent in online. This one
is from Danny, who writes, Dear pastors, are you aware
(44:14):
of any health studies that validate verses declaring as unclean,
for example, animals that don't have a divided hoof, or
that don't chew the cud or creatures that do not
have fins and scales, all found in Leviticus X1.
Uh, what would you say, Brian?
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Um,
Well, yes, uh there there is a book that was written, um,
quite a few years ago.
Called none of these diseases. I remember I used to
work in the chapel store and, um, and you know
it's a
Speaker 1 (44:50):
this one was almost required reading right along with Calvary distinctive. Yeah,
Speaker 2 (44:54):
so SI McMillan, you know, he, he was an MD,
and he went through and he from the medical standpoint,
he looked at some of these Levitical laws.
And like the dietary laws, for example, you know, he
talks about um pork, uh, you know, for a long,
long time, pork was, um, seen as, you know, the, um,
(45:18):
With trichinosis, there were, there was some, some worm that
was oftentimes found in pork if it wasn't cooked properly.
And of course, we know shellfish are kind of the
scavengers of the sea bottom feeders and so forth. So
some things like that, um, and, and then I think
that the book was probably updated about um.
(45:39):
Oh gosh, I know they did an update on it, uh,
10 years ago, maybe or something like that or I
don't know, maybe 25 years ago now.
It says 2000 here. Um, but anyway, it's, it's a
good book, but then also the dietary laws and these
different things they talk about, he does a whole chapter
(45:59):
on circumcision and it's fascinating, um.
And hand washing and he, he talks about the doctor,
the Jewish doctor who actually um introduced washing hands, who
was persecuted, who was um ridiculed and mocked, and basically,
you know, lots of lots of women were dying in childbirth.
(46:22):
And what they discovered what he suspected and then proved
to be the case is that women were getting diseases
because people weren't washing their hands and that's why they
were dying.
And so I what he's a Jewish doctor, I forget
his name. But anyway, that's all in none of these diseases.
But then the other part of it is, uh, some
(46:42):
of it had to do with um
God keeping Israel separate from the other nations. That was
a big part of what a lot of those laws
had to do with, so.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
All right, uh, Danny, thank you for sending in your question.
Did you have any,
Speaker 2 (47:00):
the way they ate was, was like a daily reminder
that they belonged to Yahweh. They were, they were distinct
from all, all the other peoples in that sense, and,
and then they just to trust that.
I don't know about these things, but God wants us
to do it like this, so we're gonna do it,
trust and obedience and yeah, but then of course, I
mean before the mosaic law, um, there were no dietary
(47:23):
restrictions and then when Jesus came, those were all left
yeah so you love bacon. I love bacon. I love lobster.
I love shrimp. I love scallops. Thank God we live
under the new covenant. Thank you, Jesus.
Speaker 1 (47:37):
All right, Danny, thanks for sending in your question. Here's
one sent in through the pastor's perspective Instagram. It is from, um, well, Brenda,
I think. Will Christ's chosen need to go through the tribulation.
Brian,
Speaker 2 (47:57):
Christ chosen need to go through the tribulation. Well, I,
I think you have to um make a little bit
of a distinction because we are the chosen currently believers
in Jesus, um, members of his body, um, you know,
we are, we are the church of Jesus and I
(48:18):
do not think that the church, um,
Will go through the tribulation, but
When you get into the tribulation, you find that there
are still people who are chosen uh people coming to
Jesus in all the way through the tribulation and then
(48:38):
of course Israel um in in in a national sort
of a way is brought back into um relation with
God and so they would be the chosen as well, yeah.
And it, and you know, it's not like, you know,
you give your life to Jesus and you'll never face
tribulation period. You know, I think Jesus talks about great tribulation,
(49:02):
right in the all of that discord, but, but the
night before he died, he says, you know, I've spoken
to you these things that you might have peace in
the world you will have tribulation. The the Christian life
is not one free of tribulation.
But I believe as you do that there is a
great tribulation yet in front of us and um I
(49:22):
believe the church won't be a part of that but
like you said, Israel, God is gonna be dealing with
Israel during that period of time and there are gonna
be many people who come to faith in you who
refuse to take the mark of the beast and and
they will die for it and we see them, you know,
they're they're mentioned in the in the heavenly domain, yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
OK, uh, Brenda, thank you for sending in your question
on Instagram. And here's one from Margie, who wrote in
using the Kwave.com pastor's perspective page, or she might have
scanned the QR code if, uh, she was watching on Facebook, YouTube,
or Instagram. Margie writes, My married daughter has cut me
out of her life. We raised all four of our
(50:03):
kids in a Christian home.
My daughter says I'm toxic and have caused her trauma
without giving me examples. My other kids say she's lying
and to ignore it. I miss her kids. I keep praying,
but I'm still at a loss. It's too much to take.
Please pray for us. Counseling hasn't really helped, to be honest.
(50:24):
The hurt is constant, as are the tears. For Christmas,
we had to leave Christmas presents on their doorstep while
they were out. Never heard one word about the gifts.
Birthdays are coming up, and I really want to see them.
Never thought my retirement years would be like this. The
worst part of this is my daughter is suffering. I
(50:44):
can't help her. I know she's under the influence of
a nonbeliever. We were always very close to her family,
especially the kids. Any advice on how to cope? We're
blocked on every phone number and social media. Thank you
for listening.
What do you say, Brian?
Speaker 2 (51:02):
Sad, very sad, um, not uncommon.
Uh, especially in this climate. I just, I was just
reading um an article the other day that was talking
about kids who basically, uh, have divorced their parents, you know,
basically just said, we don't have anything to do with you.
And a lot of times it's because, you know, you
(51:24):
failed in this area or you raised us like this
and it messed us up and.
You know, I think it's it's just kind of an
overflow of the cancel culture that we're in, in general,
it makes its way into. And and then you know,
when kids are raised as Christians, then they feel like,
oh you deprived us of this or you forced us
(51:47):
to do that or and and and you know, uh
somebody else comes along and says, yeah, yeah, you know,
that's what your parents did, you know, let's
Let's hate them. So, uh, it's sad, it's it's horribly sad,
but now, so I have a good friend.
Friends, husband and wife, who have gone through this with
(52:09):
uh two of their children, and it's just the same
exact thing, like, like we, you can't even, don't dare
ever try to see us because I, I don't want
my kids to ever be around you. You're toxic, we
don't want that or so, um, I recently talked to
them and just asked them, because this has been going
(52:30):
on for, you know, some several years now.
I said, how's it going uh in that area? And
they said, uh, they said, you know, actually there's kind
of a softening going on. And so,
That was good news, but it's been a long hard
road and a prayer.
And just, you know, this is an opportunity to love
(52:54):
like God loves.
Cause you know, God is spurned always by most of
his creation, and yet he keeps loving, he keeps being good,
he keeps doing good. And I think this is a
this is an opportunity to just just keep loving, just
keep praying. Like you said, you can't really do anything,
(53:15):
and there's nothing you're gonna say that's gonna make a difference.
It's, it's something that they have to work out in
their own lives, and I think prayer is the best thing.
I was just, uh, that's gonna.
Lend to that, so.
Richard. Yeah, I was just gonna say at the end
when you were reading it I was just thinking wow, like,
your only recourse at this point is prayer um and
(53:39):
yet I would, I would hope that there would be
some capacity, you know, like just for somebody to say
you were toxic in these ways and I experienced trauma
in this way.
So that there can be ownership and repentance of it,
if it, if that's the case or if just like let's, no,
(54:02):
let's clarify that can we walk through these things? Can
we talk through these things? Um, I mean, obviously if
somebody's been truly traumatized then, you know, they probably, you know.
But you, but in order for there to be any
kind of reconciliation, the person who's caused the pain has
to have the opportunity to legitimately confess and repent and,
and but sometimes that's the, you know, there's there's there's
(54:26):
the judicial kind of forgiveness like that's gonna be between
you and God. There's the, the emotional psychological forgiveness and
you and your heart forgive them, you know, and then,
but the restoration bit that's a hard bit yeah.
And I think in this particular case, that this one
of the significant things is you've got 4 kids, 3
of them are like.
(54:48):
Don't listen to this because it's not a reality and
then you got the one, you know, that's that's been
offended or or whatever the case. So but like you're
saying too, I think it's always good to say, um, hey,
you know, tell me about my toxicity or where have I, um,
done that so I can own that and I can
(55:11):
say I'm sorry and we can hopefully move on.
Speaker 1 (55:14):
Margie, thanks for sending in your question and also her
line about counseling hasn't really helped. I would say maybe
find a new counselor in the same way that if
you were going to a medical doctor and you weren't
feeling better, go find another doctor. Yeah,
Speaker 2 (55:25):
but I think, uh, patience and prayer is, is the
way forward,
Speaker 1 (55:29):
yeah.
Margie, thank you for sending in your question. The entire
K-wave listening and viewing audience will be keeping you in prayer.
We're out of time today on Pastor's Perspective. Thanks so
much for listening and for watching. We're gonna archive today's
episode on Facebook, YouTube, Apple Podcasts, and Spotify, and call
us tomorrow if you've got a question for our panel
(55:51):
of pastors, which I believe will include Pastor Brian Broderson.
Good night you guys. God bless you. Thank you for
listening to Pastor's Perspective.
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