August 4, 2025 • 56 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
Hello and welcome to Pastor's Perspective. I'm your host, Brian Perez.
It is Friday, July 32nd. Wait a minute, there's no
such thing as July 32nd. It must be August 1st.
Happy new month, everybody. We are here to, uh, well,
answer the questions you have about the Bible, the Christian faith,
just about anything that's on your mind. Let's hear it. 888-564-6173.
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There's that music. I love that music. Hey, just keep
it going. But, uh, anyway.
We're having fun today. It's Friday. Everybody's so excited that, uh,
it's Friday. And another reason we're excited is because we've
got Tommy Coda and Sheridan McDaniel in the studio to
answer your questions today. And tomorrow, Saturday, August 2nd, also
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known as July 33rd, will be the very first episode
here on Kwave of Sheridan McDaniel's radio program. It's called
Worship That Walks.
Sheridan, we finally got you on K-wave,
Speaker 2 (01:21):
man. We saw this coming. Yes,
Speaker 1 (01:23):
we did. Yes, we did. So tell us about this program.
Worship that Walks. Where'd you come up with that title?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
So excited and the the title Worship that Walks myself, uh,
you know, my wife, my children.
Uh, our team, we were looking at a title that
would represent me and, and how God uses me and
from the beginning, uh, uh, you know, of my walk
with God, it was worship that attracted me to the
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Lord and, and, uh, and that just became my passion.
And so, uh, I love to worship him and singing,
but as you mature, you understand that worship is not
just for Sunday, for singing, but it's living the lyrics
because I don't wanna sing a song that I'm not
living myself. And so we, we're passionate about living out
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our worship and and living the words to the songs
and
Letting everybody know that worship is not just a song,
it's a lifestyle. So that that's worship that walks.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
That's a great truth, right? It's just like because I
think sometimes we, we can kind of, we, uh, we
think of worship as you know, in our Christian context,
coming to church, you know, time for worship and it's like, OK,
well that's just.
You know, I think sometimes people think even Christians might
think that's almost as similar to like, oh that's karaoke
time where we see the words on the screen and
we just sing like a sing along, you know, remember
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that bouncing ball and stuff like that, um, you know, but,
but it's, it's so cool that you have just that
perspective of like, no worship and praise and singing songs
is is is more than that. It is, you know,
it's a, it's a, it's a.
You know we're glorifying the Lord, you know, but it's
also translated not just in song, it's translated in the
life of the believer, you know, living out their life
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with a meaningful and purposeful worship of of Jesus.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Right. Yeah. And our first church, uh, that I pastored
was Long Beach Community Worship Center, and then the church
I pastored now a place for worship and so it's
It's there and it always will be there and you
know just train the people like when I'm again away
from church and I'm challenged or tempted or you know,
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going through a storm worship is my response to that challenge.
It's my response to that storm. And so it's beautiful
to see when you know God called you to something,
to literally see it come to pass in the lives
of those that
You know, you're, you're leading and for people to say,
you know, to this day I learned to worship here.
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I learned to worship here and, and, uh, and that,
that's like thank you Lord, you know, it's, it's working.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Praise God. It truly is just, uh, like I love
that how you say that, man. I learned to worship.
It's like I've, I've learned to.
Live for Jesus. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it. All right,
so tune in Saturday mornings at 10 o'clock, not just
tomorrow morning, every Saturday morning at 10 o'clock tomorrow will
be the first episode of Worship That Walks. You can
get more details at worshiphatwalks.org. On that website, you can also, uh,
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give a donation. You can, uh, just find out more
about Pastor Sheridan McDaniel. So check that out, worshiphawalks.org, also
on
Social media 888-564-6173 is the number to call us if
you've got a question today, you can also send in
your questions online. That's what Cathy did. Hold on, Cathy.
(04:48):
Tommy wants to interrupt your question. Cathy. Tommy. It wasn't me.
It was Tommy. I am sorry, Cathy. Well, no, you
know what I, I just wanted to, um, if I may,
I'd love to just give a quick announcement, you know,
if you're in the Santa Ana or Orange County area.
On Sunday we're gonna be doing a backpack giveaway. This
is something that we do annually here in Santa Ana
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and uh we're just really looking forward to being a blessing,
you know what we've done in the past is just,
you know, we pass out these backpacks and school supplies,
but it really, um, it's an opportunity for us to
share the gospel as a church, you know, so, um,
would love for if you guys are interested, our address
is 2823 South Bristol Street in the city of Santa Ana.
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And, um, that's happening this Sunday at 1 o'clock after
our last service there at church. So from 1 to
2 o'clock, we will be doing our backpack giveaway. Very good.
All right, now on to Cathy's question. Yes, Cathy from
Lake Elsinore. Uh, she's wondering if any of you know
what denomination WLC is. Uh, and Cathy writes, there are
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a couple of billboards advertising that Jesus is not.
God. Each time I pass one of these billboards, I
can't help but be filled with frustration because I believe
Jesus is God and that He existed before the earth
was created, like it says in Genesis 1:26 when it
mentions we and our image. Jesus also says that he
and the Father are one. I wrote to this organization
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asking where they get their information from and what Bible.
I received a response with different scriptures from the King
James Version.
I, I have some scriptures that I'd love to send
in response to them. I believe Adani does not need
any defense on our part, but I know that we
need to be bold and confident as well as get
out of our comfort zone for him. Should I just
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let it be, or should I respond back with scriptures?
And what other scriptures can I send besides Genesis 1:26
and the entire book of John? Now,
Uh, have you seen these billboards on the road? OK,
so I pulled it up on the screen here, and
uh this is just a couple of them, and, uh,
they have been popping up in different places, the places,
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it's WLC.org, which stands for, um, oh, I had it here,
can't find it now. But um anyway, so yeah, they
they've put uh billboards up that says Jesus is not God,
Scripture says Jesus did not pre-exist in heaven, um.
Scripture gives no sign of Christ's return. It could happen
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any day. Are you ready? Uh, just, just different things
that they've been putting up and I think people are
just wondering, oh, world's last chance. That's what, uh, that's
what they're about. So do you guys know anything about
this place? No, I, I, I am not familiar with
that or or any of the billboards, um.
Not just paying attention to driving, um, at these billboards. However, I,
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I would say, you know, when, whenever we see things
like this, you know, um, it, it's obviously, you know,
just it that's blasphemy, right? Jesus is not God and,
and all these things and, and I'm just reminded of
what the scriptures tell us that, you know, in the
last days there will be, you know, these, these teachers
that will be rising up and just leading people astray and,
and all of these things. And I think these are
the things that we're seeing, you know, and, and so I,
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I would.
You know, sometimes with, uh, organizations like this, I, I would,
you know, I would encourage someone at my church, you know,
just leave it alone, like you're going to get into
an argument that's, you know, it's really no point in
arguing with them. Yes, you know, I think the best
thing that we can do is just be motivated. Hey, listen,
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we got to get out and share the gospel of
Jesus Christ, you know, just the the true word of God,
the love of Jesus.
Um, with people because people are interested. People see these
kinds of billboards and they're interested in in spirituality. They're
interested in in eternity, they're interested in God and, and they,
you know, and they don't have no background or anything.
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They have no foundation. So when they see these things
at a vulnerable moment in their life, they, they might
call them, you know, and look up, you know, check
them out and, and begin to think, oh this is truth,
and then they're being led.
You know, they're being led led astray, you know, so, um,
for me, I, I was, I would encourage, hey, let's
just use this as a motivator to share the gospel
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of Jesus Christ and support other, you know, um, evangelical
churches and gospel movements that are really authentically sharing.
The word of God and the truth of God, you know,
be supportive of those ministries and and stuff like that,
like Tommy's ministry or Sheridan's
ministry.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
And I would add, Cathy, um, like your question, should
I send scriptures in or should I say anything? And,
and I agree with with the pastor taught me on that,
that I, I would not do that, uh, or advise
or suggest you do that.
Um, I would just stay focused because you sound very
solid and, you know, what you've written down. I mean,
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what you study, you know, your own personal notes.
The greatest billboard is your life, and that's gonna say
so much more than the billboards you see, um, on
these screens that they're showing. Your lifestyle will speak so
much louder and reach people every single day and just
continue to let your lifestyle say that Jesus is Lord, and, uh,
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and I'll be doing that with you.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yeah, that's good.
Cathy, thank you for sending in your question on the
pastor's perspective Facebook messenger, and now let's go to the
phones at 888-564-6173. Here's John in Long Beach. Welcome to
Pastor's Perspective. You're on with Tommy Coda and Sheridan McDaniel.
Uh, good afternoon. Hey John, hello. Hey, hey, I, I'm, uh, discipling, uh,
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a newer Christian. We're using the book, uh.
Know what you believe by Polly Little, which I know
is pretty sound.
And a question came up in it, uh, or this
guy asked me a question, and I'm glad he's asking
me a question. It's making me think, and I was
trying to research it for him, but I need a
little help. Uh, when Jesus, OK, prior to Jesus dying,
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people went, they didn't go directly to heaven because I
know scripture says to be absent from the body is
to be present with the Lord for the believer.
Uh, but why did people, they did in the time
prior to Jesus' resurrection, they didn't go to heaven,
Speaker 2 (11:14):
they just stayed in
Speaker 1 (11:15):
like holding
Speaker 2 (11:16):
spot
Speaker 1 (11:17):
or paradise or can you explain that to me? All right, Sheridan?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah, you're right. And, and what my reading also is that.
Prior to the Lord and his resurrection that, you know,
there was a, a holding spot where believers would go, um,
and once Jesus was resurrected, the Bible speaks of him
taking those in that holding spot, um, with him. And
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so that was like you stated prior to
His death to where now when we die, you know,
we go into the presence of the Lord, uh, according
to the scripture, and you reference to be absent from
the body is to be present with the Lord. So, yeah,
prior to and um
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There was a place where believers would be and, and
now after Christ, we go straight to him. Yeah,
Speaker 1 (12:13):
you know, I, I think of uh the place in
the gospel where where Jesus is, um, he's speaking and
he's sharing. He's talking about, I I believe it's the, the,
the rich man and and Lazarus, yes, yeah, and, um,
you know, they're in that narrative, in that story there
that Jesus talks about, you know, that rich man is
there and, and there's like a gulf between.
Between these two different groups, between the, you know, this
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place of torment, it sounds like, you know, in a
place of being comforted in the bosom of Abraham, right? And, um,
and so I think that's kind of what is being
referenced right there, that place of paradise and a place
of comfort.
You know, and then once Jesus did die on the cross,
you know, is when, you know, he, he goes down,
we're told he's in the belly of the earth, right, for,
for like buried for 3 days and, and, um, it
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was during that time, you know, even some crazy things
that I just think of this is like, you know,
as the Bible says that, you know, during that time
like the graves were opened up, you know, and, and,
and all that stuff. So yeah, interesting. What do you think, John?
Does this help you?
It does, but he didn't go to hell, right, because
that was the other part of it. He didn't go
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to hell. Jesus, he went to this paradise then to
preach the gospel to the, uh, believers. Yes,
Speaker 2 (13:26):
correct.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
OK, that's what I wanted to do because my friend
said because it was part of the apostles Creed came
up and it and it said he went to ascended
into hell and I said hell doesn't mean hell, it
means this other place and just wanted to confirm that.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Yes, sir.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
All right, thank you for calling in today on Pastor's Perspective.
888-564-6173 is the number to call, and now we'll go
from John to Joe in Los Angeles listening on FM
107.9K wave. Hey, Joe, what's up?
Hello, can you guys hear me? Yes, sir, loud and clear.
OK, thank you.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
You
Speaker 1 (14:00):
guys, thank you for
Speaker 2 (14:01):
taking
Speaker 1 (14:01):
my
Speaker 2 (14:02):
call. I'm gonna kind of rearrange my question a little
bit to something that
Speaker 1 (14:05):
I find more
important. Wait, wait, wait, hold on. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, no, no, no.
Ask your question because we have no idea what your
other question is. We already approved your first question, so
let's ask that one first.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Fair enough. OK, um.
Uh,
Speaker 1 (14:19):
you guys,
Speaker 2 (14:20):
I have, um, a brain tumor that
Speaker 1 (14:22):
causes immediate short-term
Speaker 2 (14:24):
memory
Speaker 1 (14:24):
loss,
Speaker 2 (14:24):
so I'm gonna ask the question slightly different than what
you guys already understand, OK?
Speaker 1 (14:29):
OK, so what I see on the screen here is
you're asking if a strong believer in Christ can drink
heavily in private and still go to heaven.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
No, sir. Uh, yes, a Christian man that strongly praises God.
I like to drink alcohol like on the weekends in private,
not to get silly drunk, but I like to enjoy
a few beers as in.
3 to 4 beers and I want to know.
Um, is a man like this that's a strong believer
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in God gonna make it to heaven,
Speaker 1 (15:03):
or am I
Speaker 2 (15:03):
on the list where it says drunkards will not inherit
the kingdom of heaven?
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Sheridan, what would you tell them?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Sure. Your relationship with the Lord as it pertains to
heaven is solely based on your belief. If you believe, uh, that,
you know, Jesus rose from the dead and, and you
ask the Lord into your life and, and you've given
your life to Him.
Um, heaven is based upon that grace that God has
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given us for by grace, you know, we're saved and
not through any works. And so it's a matter if you, John,
believe in the Lord and you've accepted him, that that's our,
you know, gateway into heaven, our relationship with Jesus as
it pertains to drinking or really any other, uh,
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I wanna say I don't wanna say sin because if
you have a glass of alcohol or wine that's not sin, um,
but getting drunk is what the Bible tells us not
to do. And so that's where you wanna focus, you know,
your heart on. But even if you get drunk, that
does not mean you're going to hell. It means that
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you need to stop getting drunk and, and continue to,
you know, focus and build your relationship with Christ.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
And, and I would just also add to Joe, especially,
you know, pertaining to the question that we have right here,
you know, um, is, you know, because I think you
had mentioned, even right now like, you know, if we,
you know, drunkenness and and all this other stuff, you know,
I think when we look to the scriptures, and we
look to the book of Galatians, you know, and it
talks about the works of the flesh as opposed to
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the fruit of the spirit and
You know, being in the flesh and, and there's a
list there that's given to us, you know, and in
that list is one of those things that is mentioned
is drunkenness and, and he's not talking to like so
much of the person. I, I don't believe like here
at the Apostle Paul is speaking to the person who
just makes a bad decision and, and, you know, just
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bad decision, man, I got drunk last night. I haven't,
you know, I don't want to do that no more.
That person confesses and repents because it's very clear that
He goes on to say later on in verse number 23,
that is, he says the person who practices these things,
or in other words, the person who does this like
on a, you know, weekly, you know, every Friday and Saturday,
this is the person's program of what they do, you know,
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and they knowingly are
You know, drinking in a with a purpose and intention of,
you know, being, you know, under the influence of of alcohol.
That's where I, I, I would really caution the believers, say, hey, listen,
these are the works of the flesh. You're giving into
your flesh, you know, um, intentionally on these things. This
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isn't something where, hey, I just had a glass of
wine once, you know, once every now and then, and
it's not like, you know, a thing where I'm getting drunk.
He's talking about the person who's practicing these things. In
other words, it's like it's part of their their program
of their life. And so if this is something that
a person, you or anybody else that is really struggling
with this, it really is, you know, I think an
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attention getter to say, you know what, I need to repent.
I need to confess this. I don't want to live
my life with this practice of constantly and doing these
things where it is that my, my weekly program of
what I do on Fridays and Saturdays.
You know, I wanna repent of these things. I don't
want to be under the influence of alcohol. I want
to be under the influence, I wanna be filled with
the Holy Spirit.
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You know, and, and live my life, you know, in
a way that's going to be glorifying to the Lord,
and that's at that point where God, you know, God
will help us. God will encourage us. God, the Holy Spirit,
he knows our, our faults, you know, and our, our,
our challenges and our battles that we fall into at times.
But when we're open with that, we're confessing and repenting
and we're being a part of a church community that
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can really come alongside of us and encourage us.
That's where we begin to see victory in these things where,
you know, it sounds like perhaps maybe there might be
some conviction and say I don't want to do this
no more, but it's really truly a work of the
Holy Spirit.
What do you think, Joe?
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Oh man,
Speaker 1 (19:08):
uh,
Speaker 2 (19:09):
I think you guys just hit me with a really
hard one, and I'll make this really fast. You guys.
Why would I
Speaker 1 (19:14):
pray
Speaker 2 (19:14):
my heart out and I
Speaker 1 (19:15):
ask God
Speaker 2 (19:16):
to
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destroy the desire of me even thinking of a bottle
of beer? Why hasn't
Speaker 2 (19:22):
he granted that yet, or, and or I pray, give
me the strength to not desire it, and I feel like.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
He hasn't
Speaker 2 (19:30):
answered me yet,
Speaker 1 (19:31):
and I, I don't know why. I don't even I
could fight him by myself.
So this is something you don't want to do, Joe.
It's not so much that you, cause I, I believe
you started your question by saying, this is something I
just enjoy doing on the weekends, but now you're saying,
I really am trying to get rid of this desire,
I keep praying and God's not taking it away from me.
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I am saying both
things to you. OK, OK,
Speaker 2 (19:55):
explain it because I know you don't got much time. Yeah, uh, yeah, Joe,
I would say instead of
Focusing on the desire not to, I would encourage you
to focus your desire and your prayers and your focus
and your aim and target on the things that we
need to do.
Uh, you know, ask God to give you a strong
desire for His word, a strong desire for worship, a
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strong desire for prayer, you know, a strong desire to
just obey Him and let your focus be on what
you and I need to do and not your focus
on what you do not need to do or want
to do. And you watch when you begin to do
the things that you need to do, you will distance
yourself from the things you don't want to do.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
And you know, Joe, I'm gonna just also add too, man, listen, bro,
it's like I, I have empathy, you know, for you
because my, myself, you know, for, for many years before
I got saved, man, I, I was a drug, I
was a drug addict.
I was an alcoholic, you know, um, any, any drug
I can put in my vein or smoke or, or
snort or whatever. I, I was doing that. I did
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that for like about 15 years of my life and
it just, it destroyed my life and um it did
get to a point kind of where there was this
emptiness and this despair. I was tired of going back,
you know, in and out of prison and
Um, there came a point in my life where I
just knew I needed help, but I didn't know what
to do, and, and I felt like there was no answer.
I felt, you know, everything was hopeless in my life,
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you know, and it, it just came to this point
and place where my, where I confessed all of that
to the Lord, but I then made a decision as
well to put myself into, you know, I went into
a program. There was also some other conditions there, but
I went to a program and.
I made a choice. I remember just making a decision
and making a choice and saying, you know what, I've
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tried everything that I can do on this side. I
tried everything, you know, I can't, I can't shake this, this, the,
you know, the alcohol, I can't shake the dope. So God,
I'm going to whatever I am going to be told
to do by these people who I know love God
and I feel care about me, I'm gonna follow their direction.
I'm just gonna do that. I'm gonna submit and yield.
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And surrender everything. And I got to tell you, man,
it was a it was an extremely difficult season, but
as I began to just practice that.
You know, I'm just gonna yield to authority. I'm just gonna,
hey man, what should I do? I feel like drinking,
what should I do? And just asking these questions and, and,
and looking for help and putting myself in these places.
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I found that week after week and month after month, I,
I just got more strengthened and I began to mature
and grow in the things of God and the next thing.
You know, it was like, man, I remember I was
celebrating 12 months. I was getting my 1 year chip,
you know, it's like, wow, I've been sober for 12
months and not even, and I didn't even try, you know,
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it's just happening and, uh, and now by the grace
of God, Joe, it's, it's been, you know, I just
celebrated 25 years of of sobriety and walking with the
Lord and it's all.
It's all just it is all Jesus, but it is
really putting yourself in a place, you know, where you
can have some accountability and some encouragement and grow in
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these things and talk about your issues with addiction.
Um, and all these other things because if we're not
doing those, I know life gets hard and in the,
in the midst of life and the challenges and difficulties, we,
as especially as drug addicts and alcoholics, we can make
reservations and say, man, you know, I'm gonna stay clean
and sober for the next, you know, that's it. I'm
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gonna stay clean and sober, but then, you know, something happens,
you know, health issues, money issues, you know, relationship issues,
and the next thing you know, instead of like seeking.
You know, the help, you know, or like a sponsor
or something like that or a pastor, it's like, man, I'm,
you know, instead of going to the king of kings,
I'm going to the king of beers, you know, because
that's just something we've always done as far as like
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a a reservation. So and make the reservation now it's like,
you know what? I'm gonna constantly just go to Jesus
and I'm gonna go to accountability. I'm gonna go, I'm
gonna get a sponsor, I'm gonna go to my pastor,
I'm gonna go to this addiction ministry at my church
and just really be accountable and I want to grow
in these things and to to be victorious.
Yeah, Celebrate recovery is something that we've always talked about
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here on Pastor's Perspective. You can find out more about
them at celebrate recovery.com.
All right, Joe, thank you for your phone call. Did
you have anything to add? OK. All right, 888-564-6173. If
everybody could please keep Joe in your prayers as well.
Now we're gonna go to Paul who is watching us
on YouTube right now in Richland, Washington. Hi there, Paul,
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thank you for, uh, watching. Let's wave to Paul. Hi Paul, and, uh,
thanks for calling in today, 888-564-6173. What's up?
Um, yes, um, I was wondering, um, as Moses and
Joshua and Joseph are pictures of Jesus Christ, isn't John
the Baptist also a picture of Jesus preparing the way
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for us to come to the Father? Is not Jesus
a voice crying in the wilderness, even as he is
also the root in dry ground, and is Jesus not
our all and in all?
So why are you asking these questions, Paul? Well, I
guess when I'm reading, and I just, I don't know, um,
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I just love to read scripture every morning and I
get so blessed before I go to work.
And I'm just, I don't know, it's like I'm, I'm
playing around with the scriptures and I love it and
I don't know, I, I was just thinking like it
seems like um kind of like Jesus points the way
to the Father, and yet I know he says he
and the father are one.
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And um, OK, I don't know. I, and I was
thinking like Jesus was probably in John the Baptist. I
don't know like he was in other, so I don't know.
All right, Tommy, we'll start with you. Yeah, no, great,
great question, Paul, and man, that is so cool that
you are just getting into the practice of, of reading
scriptures and, and, um, you know, just ask and having
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questions like this. I think this is one way that
We constantly, you know, no matter how long we've been
walking with the Lord, that we, we can grow and mature. However, I,
I would say in regards to your question and, and everything,
Jesus himself speaks of John the Baptist as more of
like kind of coming in the spirit of Elijah, you know, and,
and so it's not so much that John the Baptist is,
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you know, like a.
You know, Christ or or anything like that or a
picture of Christ, but more of Elijah, you know, being
that voice in the wilderness to prepare the way for
the Messiah, you know, and as a matter of fact, Jesus,
you know, refers to John the Baptist as, as the
greatest prophet as well. And so it wouldn't be so
much as, you know, him like a picture of, you know,
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of Jesus in that sense of what you're talking about,
but more of Elijah.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
She, yeah, and.
With, with, um,
Paul, with your lifestyle and my lifestyle, it should be
a lifestyle like John and which makes all of our lifestyles, um,
a mirror or an image or an example of Christ.
For example, you know, um, you know, we are to,
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to share the gospel. Jesus, you know, did that.
Uh, we are to be bold and, and walk in authority.
Jesus did that, and, um, you know, we were baptized
like Jesus, and so it's more of our, our ways,
you know, should point to Christ, not that John, you know,
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was Christ, but our ways should point to him, and that's,
you know, for you, me and all beliefs.
Yes,
Speaker 1 (27:43):
very good. Paul, thank you for your, uh, question today.
Thanks for calling in to 888-564-6173, and it's better to
be like Christ than to be like John the Baptist
because first of all, John the Baptist was a sinner,
but he also ate locusts and wild honey, not something
I wanted to be. I mean, I don't know. You guys,
have you ever had it? I don't know honey I've had.
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I've actually had some crickets. Yeah, there's a restaurant over
here in Santa Ana that they sell on purpose. Yes,
on purpose. I thought maybe,
Speaker 2 (28:12):
mine were in South Africa. Yeah, at crickets, not many,
but I tried it. Yeah,
Speaker 1 (28:19):
yeah, they taste like chicken or no, they're crunchy, bro.
The ones over here in Santa Ana, they're crunchy, yes, like, uh,
almost like nachos.
You know, I'll pass. We just dip them in the
salsa and they're all, it's all, yeah, and you don't know, right?
I'm gonna have to take you to I was gonna
say he's gonna bring me some here have this. What
do you think? Oh, it's delicious. What is it? Crickets.
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Oh man, might have to throw down on Tommy at
that point, but, uh, anyway, not gonna do that they
got good tacos there too, cricket tacos, maybe maybe.
I'm not going to lunch with Tommy. All right, 888-564-6173
is the number to call us today on Pastor's Perspective.
We've got Tommy Coda and Sheridan McDaniel. You hear both
of these guys on the weekends here on Kwave, Tommy,
(29:02):
HopeAive Radio heard at 5 p.m. on Saturdays. Sheridan, you
have not heard on the weekends, but
You will starting tomorrow. He's got a brand new radio
program 10 o'clock Saturday mornings.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Yes with your breakfast bro,
Speaker 1 (29:16):
I've been hearing the commercials, man, looking forward to it. Yes,
his breakfast of crickets, as as you're, as you're eating
your rice crickets cereal, uh, you can crackle pop.
You can hear worship that Walks. That is the name
of Pastor Sheridan McDaniel's radio program and debuts tomorrow, Saturday,
August 2nd at 10 a.m. So check that out here
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in Southern California on FM 107.9 or AM 1110.
If you're out of the Southern California area, you can
listen online at kwave.com or download our streaming app. You
can listen anywhere you are. All right, more phone calls
coming up, more questions. What do you want to ask
Tommy and Sheridan? 888-564-6173.
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Welcome back to Pastor's Perspective, 888-564-6173. Brian Perez here with Pastors,
Sheridan McDaniel and Tommy Coda, who's showing me pictures of
these crickets and encouraging me to, um, to eat some,
and I say no.
Not gonna do it. Not gonna do it. They got
a good smoky flavor. OK, sure they do. Yeah. OK. Well,
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more for you. The less I eat, the more for you.
All right, 888-564-6173 is our number. You guys ready to
answer more questions. Let's do one that was sent in online.
This one is from Renee, who writes, I'm a member
of the Church of Christ, and because the Bible mentions
all the churches of Christ.
And Romans 16, does this only mean churches with that
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title are the only ones that teach the true gospel,
or does it mean all churches that teach the gospel
of Christ? Sheridan, what would you say to Renee?
Speaker 2 (31:04):
So I, I pray, uh, I wish all churches taught
the gospel of Christ. Um, I don't believe the name
of the church really determines what's happening in the church. Um, well,
we want to make sure, you know, that
You know, we're reading our word and that when we
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do hear the word preached, that it's in line with
what the word of God is is saying that, that
we're reading and so, you know, I don't think the
church has to have in its name, Christ.
Uh, in order to be a Bible believing, good teaching,
preaching church. Um, that's gonna depend upon, you know, of course,
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the one that is leading that ministry, and I pray
that the one leading that ministry is called by God
to lead the ministry, but, uh,
I wouldn't, uh, not say just because the name Christ
on the church means that it's teaching according to the word.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Isn't it crazy though, with a name like Church of
Christ or Church of God, people just assume, I remember
hearing a story years ago, like 100 years ago, um,
Bank of America used to be called the Bank of Italy, right? So,
when people started coming over from Europe, they changed the
name to the Bank of America. So people would show
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up here in the US and they, oh look, Bank
of America, that's the that's the bank we're supposed to
bank at. So they started going there, and so it
it's all in the name. So if you see even
a what's the what's the one, the um
Uh, Church of Jesus Christ scientist or not Scientology, but the,
but there's the Church of Christ scientists, that's what it
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is and something like that, some new believer or something
might look at that. Oh, Christ, I'm gonna start going
to this church. I like, whoa, gotta be careful you
got to be very careful. As a matter of fact,
when I first got saved, I went to, um, I went,
I remember going to the Orange County, uh, Orange County
Fair and
There was a booth and exactly it was that it
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was the Church of Christ, the science or scientists or whatever.
Some of what you just said right now, right? And
so I, I remember I was so interested because I,
I was like, wow, here's some scientists who believe in Jesus,
you know, but it was.
All, you know, it was all false, you know, just
the false gospel, you know, and so it is, we
do have to be very careful, I think just because,
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you know, someone puts the name Christ, you know, and
it's the holy name, right? And, and but they use
it just to to their advantage. And it's more certain,
it's kind of more what you said to it it's
about those churches, not so much the name of the church,
but a church.
Professing and confessing the name Jesus as Lord and Savior
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and and being faithful to the gospel, being faithful to
the word of God. I think that's really what we
want to be looking for and, you know, find a
church that's faithful to the name, you know, to who
Jesus is faithful to the gospel, faithful to the teaching
of the word of God.
You know, and, um, you know, not ashamed of that
gospel message either. So that's kind of what we want
to be looking for, but it's not just, OK, only
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the names that got Christ in it, you know, those
are the ones that count because oftentimes those are false gospels,
Speaker 2 (34:22):
even in Revelations when he talks about the churches the
list that begins in in the book of Revelations and
What he kept saying is, I have somewhat against you.
I mean, these are Church of Ephesus, Church of Pregomas,
you know, Church of Diattara, and he's, you know, saying
even at those churches, I have someone against you, so
it comes down to, you know, the word of God.
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Are we hearing it and living it.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Renee, thank you so much for sending in your question
and thank you for listening to FM 107.9 in Irwindale,
where I believe you can also pick up AM 1110
quite well. 888-564-6173 is the number to call us, and
here is Nick in Moreno Valley also listening on FM 107.9. Hey, Nick,
how can we help you today?
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Hey guys,
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how y'all doing?
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Doing good.
Alright, I was just calling
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in,
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quick question. I was wondering,
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is it possible for the devil to like infiltrate your thoughts?
Why do you ask that question, Nick?
Speaker 2 (35:26):
So like, have you ever had like an intrusive thought
where it was like
Kind of, kind of mean and you're like, oh man,
that's not, that's not how I really feel.
Yeah. And you're like, why am I thinking that? Or,
Speaker 1 (35:41):
or have you ever had like a song pop up
in your head and you're like, I wasn't even thinking
of this song like. Yeah, I want pop up in
my
head. Especially at church on a Sunday morning or when
you're trying to pray. And uh do some quiet time,
all of a sudden these thoughts. And so Nick, Nick,
I want to tell you, uh, for me personally, I,
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I don't know about Sheridan, but for me,
Man, that happens a lot, you know, I'll just be
sitting there with my Bible open and and kind of
just all ready to, you know, just get into like
a devotion or or whatever, just Bible reading, and the
next thing you know it's like my brain is like
I had checked out and is like going to a
thought maybe perhaps of my past or exactly what you said,
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like a song, you know, and I'm like, why in
the world am I or even times of praying, it
happens a lot, I think when I pray.
You know, when I'll just be praying and, and, you know,
the prayer time will just, it seems to be going
very good and then all of a sudden it's like
this thought.
You know, comes into my head, you know, of, you know,
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whether it's like, you know, uh an aggressive, violent, you know, thought, or,
or wait, I kind of go back, man, what did
that dude tell me yesterday, man? Oh man, I should
have just, you know, then I start running. I should
have said this, I should have did that. I was like,
what is going on? I'm trying to pray, you know,
and
So I, I would say, you know, Nick, this is
something that is not uncommon and um referred to as
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I refer to this as as spiritual warfare. This is
exactly what this is spiritual warfare, you know, and um
the and the fiery darts, you know, the, the trickery,
the schemes and the trickery of the devil, you know,
constantly are is, is coming at us, you know, and
there's targets on us to distract us, you know, to
pull us away.
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Um, from pursuing the things of God, from actually, you know, um,
getting into prayer. So, and that's when we have to
just really engage and, and really just push past those things,
you know, and sometimes it's just, you know, perhaps like Nick,
when you're praying.
And you're having, you know, as you're praying and then
all of a sudden the thought comes into your brain
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or a song that's not it's not glorifying to the Lord, like, man,
you kind of wish you forget about that song, you know,
it's real good thing is that, you know, Lord, I
just confess, just confess that, you know, um, and just
don't make it a big deal. It's like, you know, Lord, I,
I confess that right now I wanna keep on pursuing you,
you know, and, and maybe it's start starting to sing,
you know, um, a praise song or or.
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You know, an old hymn or just reading through the Psalms,
you know, kind of just taking those thoughts captive as
what the Bible tells us to do, you know, and,
and thinking on the things that are good, holy and
pure and wholesome.
You know, that's kind of, you know, at least those
are the things that I, I desire to do when
I experience, you know, this kind of spiritual warfare and
and all that stuff. And so, you know, the enemy
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is always seemingly trying to be intrusive in the life
of the believer, especially with our thought life. Sheridan, how
do you do it?
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Yeah.
Um, and Nick, that, that's a very good question to
let you know as as Tommy share, you're not on
your own. I mean, all of us are gonna experience
thoughts that come to our mind, praying, worshiping, on the
way to church, in church, uh, thoughts will pop up. Uh,
the Bible talks about we have an old sin nature.
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And that nature carries thoughts that that are shoot up,
you know, in our, in our minds and so it's
a matter of not what comes to my mind, but
how I respond to it. And that's what I want
you to focus on, Nick. How do you respond to
those thoughts because the Bible, you know, tells us to
resist the devil and he'll he'll flee from us and
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he's given us the ability, you know, to, you know,
guard our hearts and our minds and to
Be able to respond accurately to when those thoughts come
and
And that's where we want our focus. When that ugly
thought comes, what am I gonna do with it? Am
I gonna yield to it, or am I gonna, you know, again,
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as Tommy shared, you know, Lord, I cast that thought
down or, or I'm gonna begin to worship, I'm gonna
begin to praise, and what happens is you begin to exercise,
you know, your spiritual muscles when you begin to pray,
and when you begin to read, when you begin to worship, um,
when you
And get accountability, you know, with somebody who'll do that
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with you. And so I don't want you to feel
down bad about the thought. Just use that as, OK,
this is my opportunity to give God glory, and worship Him,
to read and to pray.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Does it
help to pray out loud?
Speaker 2 (40:27):
I love praying out loud, you know, because even the
Bible says faith cometh by hearing and, and hearing something, though,
is me talking. So I talk to myself a lot.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Yeah, yeah, and praying out loud is, is a good
thing and also reading the Bible out loud, you know, um,
it's a practice that that I do from time to time.
It's just like, all right, I want to just read
this chapter out loud, you know, and it does help
me to really stay in tune and staying focus and
also too, I think sometimes standing up or doing a
prayer walk, you know, just walking, it kind of helps
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me to, OK, I really got.
You know, staying in tune, so whatever helps, you know, uh,
to really keep our mind, you know, on those things.
But sometimes it's not even when we're praying, it's just
like we're just driving down the street and all of
a sudden it's like this thought, you know, like what
you're talking about, you know, our olds in nature, you know, comes,
comes to, uh, creeps up, yeah, creeps up. Yeah. Nick,
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what do you think?
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Well, so, to, to add on to it, um, I've,
I've read the Bible twice
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and,
Speaker 2 (41:31):
uh,
There's a, you know, they talk about people who won't
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enter
Speaker 2 (41:37):
heaven and, and,
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and they
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talk about like people who blaspheme.
God and,
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and, and
Speaker 2 (41:46):
people who blasphem God will
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be
Speaker 2 (41:48):
forgiven,
Speaker 1 (41:48):
but if you blast
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them the Holy Spirit,
Speaker 1 (41:51):
it's an unforgivable sin.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Mhm.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
If
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you're having
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like blasphemous
Speaker 2 (41:59):
thoughts
Speaker 1 (41:59):
and, and, and in your heart, you know, like,
Speaker 2 (42:02):
oh that's not, I would never say anything like that.
I would never
Like, am I, what do you think I'm gonna be
held accountable for that? Like, or Sheldon. Yeah, and, and again, Nick,
it's your response. We, we have to know that thoughts
will come. Uh, we have to know that storms will come,
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tragedy will come, people will speak and say crazy things. Um,
don't focus so much on
What's coming to your mind or what comes to you,
but put your focus on your response. No, you're not
going down, you're not going to hell, you're not because
the a thought like the blasphemous thought came to your mind.
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Your response is, you know, Lord, I give you glory,
you know, and, uh, I'm gonna switch over to the
scriptures as well.
What so things are just, what's so things are lovely.
What so things are true of a good report, and
then it says think on these things. And so again,
use it as uh an exercise to to say I'm
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just gonna let this point me to do, to think
on the things of God and uh and again, it's
just gonna build you spiritually when you do that.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
Yeah. And you know, too, Nick, this is uh also.
You know, I, I really think that sometimes when we,
when we're engaging these things and we have like, OK, man, Lord,
I don't want to do this, but these are the thoughts.
I think sometimes that that's a, you know, also.
Uh, an earmark of of a believer who is, you know,
actually doing and pursuing and again it's not being perfect,
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but it's like, man, I'm pursuing the things of God
and we're experiencing these spiritual attacks and it's, it doesn't
settle well with you. There's like, man, I don't like this.
I don't like when I think these things, you know,
what is, you know, am I going to be held
accountable for all the, you know, the questions that you're
having right now? I think that is right there what
I would encourage you personally, Nick, is like, you know, hey,
you're in a good place, bro. It's like, you know, um,
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in the sense that
You know, um, experiencing this spiritual attack, you know, man,
you belong to God.
You know, keep doing what you're doing, keep pursuing, keep,
you know, I, I, I think of what, what Paul
tells Timothy, you know, to fight the good fight of faith.
This is a challenge, you know, and, and it is
a battle, you know, and these are the things, this
is one of the reasons and purposes of why God
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gives to us in the Bible, you know, this, this, the, um,
that they that there in Ephesians chapter 6 when it
talks about our spiritual, you know, um, our spiritual armor
that we get.
To have, you know, recognizing, hey, there is a real
enemy out there, you know, in the helmet of salvation.
I think of, you know, really guarding our thoughts, that
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is so important. So every element of of this armor
is extremely important for the life of the believer because
it is a constant battle and attack that we are
engaged in day to day, you know, and when it
changes from day to day too. It's not always the same. Yeah.
Do you think non-believers experience spiritual warfare as well? And
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if so, to what extent? Would it be to the
same because they have no idea what's going on necessarily.
So how do they handle it? Do they even know
what's going on? What would you say, Sheridan?
Speaker 2 (45:12):
If, if they're completely a non-believer, like 100%, I would
say they don't even know what's going on. Um, they don't,
they don't have any idea, they don't have a tool
to work with, to fight with, you know, a Lord
to pray to, you know, unless they would use that
crazy thought or whatever's going on in my mind to
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turn to the Lord who they heard before. Thank God
if they do that, but as far as what's happening.
Yeah,
Speaker 1 (45:43):
yeah, I would, I would agree with Sherry 100%, you know,
like living in, in just a a life of darkness,
being clueless to the fact that, you know, there is
a spiritual battle, and I think a lot of times
too is, you know, there.
Maybe perhaps like the the whole mind of of the
enemy is like, well, here's a person who doesn't even
know who Jesus is, is already living in bonded in
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bondage and in darkness, you know, um, for whatever, whatever,
whether it's money, a life, you know, a lifestyle of
like rich and famous or, you know, a gang lifestyle,
whatever it is, it's like there's no need for this, uh, intrusion,
you know, um, to, to, you know, uh, these fiery
darts to pull back this person, you know, from walking
with the Lord from pursuing these things, you know.
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Um, I, I always think it's like, man, once the Lord,
you know, really awakens our hearts and, and, you know,
we are, you know, born again in, in the spirit,
and then what happens is we become aware of this, of,
of the, the light and darkness. We're we're we're aware
of the, the true.
and and lie, you know, like, but aware in the
sense of spiritually aware, you know, like there is, there
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is an eternity and then, OK, the battles, you know,
can begin to, you know, be be challenging for a person.
But yeah, when a person is not walking with the
Lord or you know hasn't confessed Jesus as savior, um,
I don't think, uh, for the most part, there might
be some, but for the most part, no. I don't
think they're aware of living in a life.
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They're not aware, but they do get attacked, would you say?
Because exa for example, even if you are as a Christian,
you're sharing your faith with a non-believer, and then that's
when the enemy might start attacking, oh, don't believe what
they're saying they're, you know, I mean, I guess that
could happen, right? Yeah,
Speaker 2 (47:27):
blinding the minds of those who are in darkness and
the fact that I'm
You mind is blindness, blinded, someone is doing that. Yeah,
Speaker 1 (47:36):
yeah, absolutely. All right, Nick, thank you for your phone
call today on Pastor's perspective. Now we're gonna talk to
Larry in Los Angeles. Hello, Larry, what is your question
for us today?
Speaker 2 (47:45):
Yes, hi, thank you for having me. Oh, I've
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been
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listening to
Speaker 1 (47:50):
you
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guys for
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years
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and
Speaker 1 (47:52):
when
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I
Speaker 1 (47:52):
decided to
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call. OK.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
What took you so long to call, Larry?
That's nervous laughter if you ask me. We, we, we
just caught him. We just caught him. He's been listening
for years and he's just now, I'm joking, Larry. What,
what is your question for us today?
OK, there's a scripture in
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Zechariah
Speaker 1 (48:13):
3 where it says,
Speaker 2 (48:14):
um, God does the writing for the stone with seven eyes.
So it's been years that I've been saying, oh, this
is Jesus in uh Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, James, Peter,
and Jude.
And so, um, so then it's most people are like,
you know, that's insane man, you know, but I, I said, well,
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every time you see Jesus, you see these 7 that
are talking about, you know, him, that's the only way
I got to know him.
So I wanted to see, you know, even a lamb
has 7 eyes, you know, that has been slain. So
that's Jesus. So it just seemed to me the stone
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with the seven eyes would and where God's doing the
writing would also be Jesus.
And since these 7 tell me everything about them, I said, oh, OK,
these are these 7 Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, James, Peter,
and Jude.
The eyes.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
Hm,
OK. Have you heard this before?
Speaker 2 (49:21):
Uh, I've never heard that, uh, put exactly like that, but, um,
I know that particular scripture is, you know, filled with
Massianic pro, you know, prophecy and that
I like to use the word, uh, Larry, that it
points to Jesus and not that it is him, but
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that it points to him like many symbols did do
in the Old Testament. Many signs, they point to Christ.
And when I hear the, um, you know, the stone that,
that is, you know, like a representation appointed to Christ
as our foundation and
The seven eyes is symbolic, uh, more of God's complete
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wisdom and, and not, you know, in my mind picturing
Jesus with seven eyes running around or a lamb with
seven eyes, but it's more of, of a 7 representing,
you know, completeness, and so it speaks of God's complete
wisdom and, and, um, and so the scripture is, again, it's,
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it's more of a prophecy pointing to Christ.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
Yeah.
Any thoughts, Tommy? No, no, no, no, any thoughts right there.
That was really good. Thank you. All right, Larry, thank
you for your phone call today on Pastor's perspective. I
see one more coming in. Do we have that one
ready yet? Can we just make it ready, like right
now in 543.
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2
One, perfect. OK, it is Margot calling in from El Toro.
What is your question for us today, Margo?
Speaker 2 (50:59):
Is it me?
Yeah, you.
Oh, it's not Margo, it's Martha. Hi Pastor John
Speaker 1 (51:05):
Martha, I'm so sorry, Martha.
Speaker 2 (51:11):
OK, I have a.
A question I think you guys had mentioned about uh
scripture about or someone stated something about casting out um
a situation, right? Do you understand what I'm talking about?
Like sometimes when the bad situations,
Speaker 1 (51:28):
people will pray to
Speaker 2 (51:30):
cast it out
Speaker 1 (51:30):
like
not Casting out demons and things like that. So what
you're talking about? or like
uh like
like a spirit.
Speaker 2 (51:40):
No, just like not accepting something like say if you
were probably diagnosed to have cancer, uh, people teach you
how to, oh no, um, don't accept it, pass it
out or something like that. My question is that, uh,
years ago I heard a teaching where they said that.
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That sometimes it's good to accept the bad situations and
go through them, so then we wouldn't have work situations
like trials. And I'm like, so is it right to
cast them out or is it better
Speaker 1 (52:18):
to accept them and just ask the Lord
Speaker 2 (52:21):
to walk
Speaker 1 (52:21):
you through
Speaker 2 (52:22):
them?
Speaker 1 (52:22):
I was always questioned
Speaker 2 (52:24):
that.
Speaker 1 (52:26):
What do you guys think?
Tommy,
Speaker 2 (52:29):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
Yeah.
No, I, I think I understand what you're saying, Martha,
you know, I, and I think sometimes, you know,
When there are, when we go through situations in life,
you know, for instance, as you brought up, like, uh,
you know, just a, a diagnosis, you know, um, it
can be a, you know, diagnosis is, is a diagnosis and, and,
you know, the Lord has given wisdom to people to
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make the proper diagnosis and, and I always recommend, you know,
if it's something extremely serious, yeah, we do want to
have wisdom and get maybe a first and, you know, another,
a second opinion on these things, but
It's not like ignoring the the facts either, you know,
for whatever reason.
You know, in the, just the, the, the sovereign will
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of God has allowed a person to go through some
experiences that that are are challenging and that are difficult,
you know, such as, you know, say a, a, a,
you know, diagnosis of cancer or something like that.
You know, that's the sovereign will of God and and
in that God can still work. It doesn't mean that, OK, well,
here's the diagnosis. Well, I'm just going to cast that out.
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I'm gonna ignore it, you know, and it's like I,
I think sometimes that can be maybe the foolish thing
to do. It's like, no, I we we pray. Yes,
of course, we do believe God can heal if he
chooses to heal. And so we're going to pray for that.
But also, you know, God, how can you use this
immediate situation for your glory? You know, I've heard of
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so many.
Um, testimonies of people who have been diagnosed with cancer
and it's through their treatments of like chemo or whatever
they're doing through their treatments that they were actually being
a vessel of God to share the gospel of Jesus
Christ with others that are getting that same kind of
treatment and God used them.
You know, to share the gospel and because of that,
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people were getting saved and people were, you know, coming
to know, know the Lord Jesus Christ through it all, um,
even as a person getting diagnosed, you know, it maybe
there might be family members that aren't saved, but the
person who's being diagnosed like, you know what, this is
my reality, but I'm gonna give glory to God and
you know, the rest of the family gets saved. So,
you know, um, I, I would say you really wanna
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give glory to God, you know, in all, in all things.
45 seconds.
Speaker 2 (54:44):
Totally agree with Tommy Martha. I would say, God, you know,
whatever this is, you get the glory from it, you know,
help me to, to respond accurately and well, um, that
whole casting out, get rid thing, the Bible said in
this life, we're gonna have trials and tribulations. And again,
as we've been sharing earlier, it's more of my response
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to it. Yes, I pray God you move this, move that,
but if it's here, you get the glory.
Speaker 1 (55:13):
Martha, thank you for your phone call today here on
Pastor's Perspective. We have run out of time for the week,
but we'll be back on Monday. But before Monday, there
is Sunday, so we hope to see you at church
on Sunday. You can check out Tommy's Church, Hope Alive
in Santa Ana, or Sheridan's Church, that's right, more than one.
Saint Mark's Baptist Church in Long Beach, or a place
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for worship in Anaheim, and then Saturday morning at 10 o'clock.
Be tuned in tomorrow for the debut episode of Worship
That Walks with our friend Pastor Sheridan McDaniel. Thank you
guys for joining us today on Pastor's Perspective. What do
you say we do it again next week? I'll be here. OK, awesome, awesome.
God bless you guys. We'll talk to you next time
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on Pastor's Perspective.
Hello and welcome to Pastor's Perspective. I'm your host, Brian Perez.
It is Friday, July 32nd. Wait a minute, there's no
such thing as July 32nd. It must be August 1st.
Happy new month, everybody. We are here to, uh, well,
answer the questions you have about the Bible, the Christian faith,
just about anything that's on your mind. Let's hear it. 888-564-6173.
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There's that music. I love that music. Hey, just keep
it going. But, uh, anyway.
We're having fun today. It's Friday. Everybody's so excited that, uh,
it's Friday. And another reason we're excited is because we've
got Tommy Coda and Sheridan McDaniel in the studio to
answer your questions today. And tomorrow, Saturday, August 2nd, also
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known as July 33rd, will be the very first episode
here on Kwave of Sheridan McDaniel's radio program. It's called
Worship That Walks.
Sheridan, we finally got you on K-wave,
Speaker 2 (01:21):
man. We saw this coming. Yes,
Speaker 1 (01:23):
we did. Yes, we did. So tell us about this program.
Worship that Walks. Where'd you come up with that title?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
So excited and the the title Worship that Walks myself, uh,
you know, my wife, my children.
Uh, our team, we were looking at a title that
would represent me and, and how God uses me and
from the beginning, uh, uh, you know, of my walk
with God, it was worship that attracted me to the
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Lord and, and, uh, and that just became my passion.
And so, uh, I love to worship him and singing,
but as you mature, you understand that worship is not
just for Sunday, for singing, but it's living the lyrics
because I don't wanna sing a song that I'm not
living myself. And so we, we're passionate about living out
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our worship and and living the words to the songs
and
Letting everybody know that worship is not just a song,
it's a lifestyle. So that that's worship that walks.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
That's a great truth, right? It's just like because I
think sometimes we, we can kind of, we, uh, we
think of worship as you know, in our Christian context,
coming to church, you know, time for worship and it's like, OK,
well that's just.
You know, I think sometimes people think even Christians might
think that's almost as similar to like, oh that's karaoke
time where we see the words on the screen and
we just sing like a sing along, you know, remember
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that bouncing ball and stuff like that, um, you know, but,
but it's, it's so cool that you have just that
perspective of like, no worship and praise and singing songs
is is is more than that. It is, you know,
it's a, it's a, it's a.
You know we're glorifying the Lord, you know, but it's
also translated not just in song, it's translated in the
life of the believer, you know, living out their life
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with a meaningful and purposeful worship of of Jesus.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Right. Yeah. And our first church, uh, that I pastored
was Long Beach Community Worship Center, and then the church
I pastored now a place for worship and so it's
It's there and it always will be there and you
know just train the people like when I'm again away
from church and I'm challenged or tempted or you know,
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going through a storm worship is my response to that challenge.
It's my response to that storm. And so it's beautiful
to see when you know God called you to something,
to literally see it come to pass in the lives
of those that
You know, you're, you're leading and for people to say,
you know, to this day I learned to worship here.
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I learned to worship here and, and, uh, and that,
that's like thank you Lord, you know, it's, it's working.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Praise God. It truly is just, uh, like I love
that how you say that, man. I learned to worship.
It's like I've, I've learned to.
Live for Jesus. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it. All right,
so tune in Saturday mornings at 10 o'clock, not just
tomorrow morning, every Saturday morning at 10 o'clock tomorrow will
be the first episode of Worship That Walks. You can
get more details at worshiphatwalks.org. On that website, you can also, uh,
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give a donation. You can, uh, just find out more
about Pastor Sheridan McDaniel. So check that out, worshiphawalks.org, also
on
Social media 888-564-6173 is the number to call us if
you've got a question today, you can also send in
your questions online. That's what Cathy did. Hold on, Cathy.
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Tommy wants to interrupt your question. Cathy. Tommy. It wasn't me.
It was Tommy. I am sorry, Cathy. Well, no, you
know what I, I just wanted to, um, if I may,
I'd love to just give a quick announcement, you know,
if you're in the Santa Ana or Orange County area.
On Sunday we're gonna be doing a backpack giveaway. This
is something that we do annually here in Santa Ana
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and uh we're just really looking forward to being a blessing,
you know what we've done in the past is just,
you know, we pass out these backpacks and school supplies,
but it really, um, it's an opportunity for us to
share the gospel as a church, you know, so, um,
would love for if you guys are interested, our address
is 2823 South Bristol Street in the city of Santa Ana.
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And, um, that's happening this Sunday at 1 o'clock after
our last service there at church. So from 1 to
2 o'clock, we will be doing our backpack giveaway. Very good.
All right, now on to Cathy's question. Yes, Cathy from
Lake Elsinore. Uh, she's wondering if any of you know
what denomination WLC is. Uh, and Cathy writes, there are
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a couple of billboards advertising that Jesus is not.
God. Each time I pass one of these billboards, I
can't help but be filled with frustration because I believe
Jesus is God and that He existed before the earth
was created, like it says in Genesis 1:26 when it
mentions we and our image. Jesus also says that he
and the Father are one. I wrote to this organization
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asking where they get their information from and what Bible.
I received a response with different scriptures from the King
James Version.
I, I have some scriptures that I'd love to send
in response to them. I believe Adani does not need
any defense on our part, but I know that we
need to be bold and confident as well as get
out of our comfort zone for him. Should I just
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let it be, or should I respond back with scriptures?
And what other scriptures can I send besides Genesis 1:26
and the entire book of John? Now,
Uh, have you seen these billboards on the road? OK,
so I pulled it up on the screen here, and
uh this is just a couple of them, and, uh,
they have been popping up in different places, the places,
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it's WLC.org, which stands for, um, oh, I had it here,
can't find it now. But um anyway, so yeah, they
they've put uh billboards up that says Jesus is not God,
Scripture says Jesus did not pre-exist in heaven, um.
Scripture gives no sign of Christ's return. It could happen
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any day. Are you ready? Uh, just, just different things
that they've been putting up and I think people are
just wondering, oh, world's last chance. That's what, uh, that's
what they're about. So do you guys know anything about
this place? No, I, I, I am not familiar with
that or or any of the billboards, um.
Not just paying attention to driving, um, at these billboards. However, I,
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I would say, you know, when, whenever we see things
like this, you know, um, it, it's obviously, you know,
just it that's blasphemy, right? Jesus is not God and,
and all these things and, and I'm just reminded of
what the scriptures tell us that, you know, in the
last days there will be, you know, these, these teachers
that will be rising up and just leading people astray and,
and all of these things. And I think these are
the things that we're seeing, you know, and, and so I,
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I would.
You know, sometimes with, uh, organizations like this, I, I would,
you know, I would encourage someone at my church, you know,
just leave it alone, like you're going to get into
an argument that's, you know, it's really no point in
arguing with them. Yes, you know, I think the best
thing that we can do is just be motivated. Hey, listen,
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we got to get out and share the gospel of
Jesus Christ, you know, just the the true word of God,
the love of Jesus.
Um, with people because people are interested. People see these
kinds of billboards and they're interested in in spirituality. They're
interested in in eternity, they're interested in God and, and they,
you know, and they don't have no background or anything.
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They have no foundation. So when they see these things
at a vulnerable moment in their life, they, they might
call them, you know, and look up, you know, check
them out and, and begin to think, oh this is truth,
and then they're being led.
You know, they're being led led astray, you know, so, um,
for me, I, I was, I would encourage, hey, let's
just use this as a motivator to share the gospel
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of Jesus Christ and support other, you know, um, evangelical
churches and gospel movements that are really authentically sharing.
The word of God and the truth of God, you know,
be supportive of those ministries and and stuff like that,
like Tommy's ministry or Sheridan's
ministry.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
And I would add, Cathy, um, like your question, should
I send scriptures in or should I say anything? And,
and I agree with with the pastor taught me on that,
that I, I would not do that, uh, or advise
or suggest you do that.
Um, I would just stay focused because you sound very
solid and, you know, what you've written down. I mean,
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what you study, you know, your own personal notes.
The greatest billboard is your life, and that's gonna say
so much more than the billboards you see, um, on
these screens that they're showing. Your lifestyle will speak so
much louder and reach people every single day and just
continue to let your lifestyle say that Jesus is Lord, and, uh,
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and I'll be doing that with you.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yeah, that's good.
Cathy, thank you for sending in your question on the
pastor's perspective Facebook messenger, and now let's go to the
phones at 888-564-6173. Here's John in Long Beach. Welcome to
Pastor's Perspective. You're on with Tommy Coda and Sheridan McDaniel.
Uh, good afternoon. Hey John, hello. Hey, hey, I, I'm, uh, discipling, uh,
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a newer Christian. We're using the book, uh.
Know what you believe by Polly Little, which I know
is pretty sound.
And a question came up in it, uh, or this
guy asked me a question, and I'm glad he's asking
me a question. It's making me think, and I was
trying to research it for him, but I need a
little help. Uh, when Jesus, OK, prior to Jesus dying,
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people went, they didn't go directly to heaven because I
know scripture says to be absent from the body is
to be present with the Lord for the believer.
Uh, but why did people, they did in the time
prior to Jesus' resurrection, they didn't go to heaven,
Speaker 2 (11:14):
they just stayed in
Speaker 1 (11:15):
like holding
Speaker 2 (11:16):
spot
Speaker 1 (11:17):
or paradise or can you explain that to me? All right, Sheridan?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah, you're right. And, and what my reading also is that.
Prior to the Lord and his resurrection that, you know,
there was a, a holding spot where believers would go, um,
and once Jesus was resurrected, the Bible speaks of him
taking those in that holding spot, um, with him. And
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so that was like you stated prior to
His death to where now when we die, you know,
we go into the presence of the Lord, uh, according
to the scripture, and you reference to be absent from
the body is to be present with the Lord. So, yeah,
prior to and um
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There was a place where believers would be and, and
now after Christ, we go straight to him. Yeah,
Speaker 1 (12:13):
you know, I, I think of uh the place in
the gospel where where Jesus is, um, he's speaking and
he's sharing. He's talking about, I I believe it's the, the,
the rich man and and Lazarus, yes, yeah, and, um,
you know, they're in that narrative, in that story there
that Jesus talks about, you know, that rich man is
there and, and there's like a gulf between.
Between these two different groups, between the, you know, this
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place of torment, it sounds like, you know, in a
place of being comforted in the bosom of Abraham, right? And, um,
and so I think that's kind of what is being
referenced right there, that place of paradise and a place
of comfort.
You know, and then once Jesus did die on the cross,
you know, is when, you know, he, he goes down,
we're told he's in the belly of the earth, right, for,
for like buried for 3 days and, and, um, it
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was during that time, you know, even some crazy things
that I just think of this is like, you know,
as the Bible says that, you know, during that time
like the graves were opened up, you know, and, and,
and all that stuff. So yeah, interesting. What do you think, John?
Does this help you?
It does, but he didn't go to hell, right, because
that was the other part of it. He didn't go
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to hell. Jesus, he went to this paradise then to
preach the gospel to the, uh, believers. Yes,
Speaker 2 (13:26):
correct.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
OK, that's what I wanted to do because my friend
said because it was part of the apostles Creed came
up and it and it said he went to ascended
into hell and I said hell doesn't mean hell, it
means this other place and just wanted to confirm that.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Yes, sir.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
All right, thank you for calling in today on Pastor's Perspective.
888-564-6173 is the number to call, and now we'll go
from John to Joe in Los Angeles listening on FM
107.9K wave. Hey, Joe, what's up?
Hello, can you guys hear me? Yes, sir, loud and clear.
OK, thank you.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
You
Speaker 1 (14:00):
guys, thank you for
Speaker 2 (14:01):
taking
Speaker 1 (14:01):
my
Speaker 2 (14:02):
call. I'm gonna kind of rearrange my question a little
bit to something that
Speaker 1 (14:05):
I find more
important. Wait, wait, wait, hold on. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, no, no, no.
Ask your question because we have no idea what your
other question is. We already approved your first question, so
let's ask that one first.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Fair enough. OK, um.
Uh,
Speaker 1 (14:19):
you guys,
Speaker 2 (14:20):
I have, um, a brain tumor that
Speaker 1 (14:22):
causes immediate short-term
Speaker 2 (14:24):
memory
Speaker 1 (14:24):
loss,
Speaker 2 (14:24):
so I'm gonna ask the question slightly different than what
you guys already understand, OK?
Speaker 1 (14:29):
OK, so what I see on the screen here is
you're asking if a strong believer in Christ can drink
heavily in private and still go to heaven.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
No, sir. Uh, yes, a Christian man that strongly praises God.
I like to drink alcohol like on the weekends in private,
not to get silly drunk, but I like to enjoy
a few beers as in.
3 to 4 beers and I want to know.
Um, is a man like this that's a strong believer
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in God gonna make it to heaven,
Speaker 1 (15:03):
or am I
Speaker 2 (15:03):
on the list where it says drunkards will not inherit
the kingdom of heaven?
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Sheridan, what would you tell them?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Sure. Your relationship with the Lord as it pertains to
heaven is solely based on your belief. If you believe, uh, that,
you know, Jesus rose from the dead and, and you
ask the Lord into your life and, and you've given
your life to Him.
Um, heaven is based upon that grace that God has
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given us for by grace, you know, we're saved and
not through any works. And so it's a matter if you, John,
believe in the Lord and you've accepted him, that that's our,
you know, gateway into heaven, our relationship with Jesus as
it pertains to drinking or really any other, uh,
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I wanna say I don't wanna say sin because if
you have a glass of alcohol or wine that's not sin, um,
but getting drunk is what the Bible tells us not
to do. And so that's where you wanna focus, you know,
your heart on. But even if you get drunk, that
does not mean you're going to hell. It means that
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you need to stop getting drunk and, and continue to,
you know, focus and build your relationship with Christ.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
And, and I would just also add to Joe, especially,
you know, pertaining to the question that we have right here,
you know, um, is, you know, because I think you
had mentioned, even right now like, you know, if we,
you know, drunkenness and and all this other stuff, you know,
I think when we look to the scriptures, and we
look to the book of Galatians, you know, and it
talks about the works of the flesh as opposed to
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the fruit of the spirit and
You know, being in the flesh and, and there's a
list there that's given to us, you know, and in
that list is one of those things that is mentioned
is drunkenness and, and he's not talking to like so
much of the person. I, I don't believe like here
at the Apostle Paul is speaking to the person who
just makes a bad decision and, and, you know, just
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bad decision, man, I got drunk last night. I haven't,
you know, I don't want to do that no more.
That person confesses and repents because it's very clear that
He goes on to say later on in verse number 23,
that is, he says the person who practices these things,
or in other words, the person who does this like
on a, you know, weekly, you know, every Friday and Saturday,
this is the person's program of what they do, you know,
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and they knowingly are
You know, drinking in a with a purpose and intention of,
you know, being, you know, under the influence of of alcohol.
That's where I, I, I would really caution the believers, say, hey, listen,
these are the works of the flesh. You're giving into
your flesh, you know, um, intentionally on these things. This
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isn't something where, hey, I just had a glass of
wine once, you know, once every now and then, and
it's not like, you know, a thing where I'm getting drunk.
He's talking about the person who's practicing these things. In
other words, it's like it's part of their their program
of their life. And so if this is something that
a person, you or anybody else that is really struggling
with this, it really is, you know, I think an
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attention getter to say, you know what, I need to repent.
I need to confess this. I don't want to live
my life with this practice of constantly and doing these
things where it is that my, my weekly program of
what I do on Fridays and Saturdays.
You know, I wanna repent of these things. I don't
want to be under the influence of alcohol. I want
to be under the influence, I wanna be filled with
the Holy Spirit.
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You know, and, and live my life, you know, in
a way that's going to be glorifying to the Lord,
and that's at that point where God, you know, God
will help us. God will encourage us. God, the Holy Spirit,
he knows our, our faults, you know, and our, our,
our challenges and our battles that we fall into at times.
But when we're open with that, we're confessing and repenting
and we're being a part of a church community that
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can really come alongside of us and encourage us.
That's where we begin to see victory in these things where,
you know, it sounds like perhaps maybe there might be
some conviction and say I don't want to do this
no more, but it's really truly a work of the
Holy Spirit.
What do you think, Joe?
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Oh man,
Speaker 1 (19:08):
uh,
Speaker 2 (19:09):
I think you guys just hit me with a really
hard one, and I'll make this really fast. You guys.
Why would I
Speaker 1 (19:14):
pray
Speaker 2 (19:14):
my heart out and I
Speaker 1 (19:15):
ask God
Speaker 2 (19:16):
to
Speaker 1 (19:16):
destroy the desire of me even thinking of a bottle
of beer? Why hasn't
Speaker 2 (19:22):
he granted that yet, or, and or I pray, give
me the strength to not desire it, and I feel like.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
He hasn't
Speaker 2 (19:30):
answered me yet,
Speaker 1 (19:31):
and I, I don't know why. I don't even I
could fight him by myself.
So this is something you don't want to do, Joe.
It's not so much that you, cause I, I believe
you started your question by saying, this is something I
just enjoy doing on the weekends, but now you're saying,
I really am trying to get rid of this desire,
I keep praying and God's not taking it away from me.
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I am saying both
things to you. OK, OK,
Speaker 2 (19:55):
explain it because I know you don't got much time. Yeah, uh, yeah, Joe,
I would say instead of
Focusing on the desire not to, I would encourage you
to focus your desire and your prayers and your focus
and your aim and target on the things that we
need to do.
Uh, you know, ask God to give you a strong
desire for His word, a strong desire for worship, a
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strong desire for prayer, you know, a strong desire to
just obey Him and let your focus be on what
you and I need to do and not your focus
on what you do not need to do or want
to do. And you watch when you begin to do
the things that you need to do, you will distance
yourself from the things you don't want to do.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
And you know, Joe, I'm gonna just also add too, man, listen, bro,
it's like I, I have empathy, you know, for you
because my, myself, you know, for, for many years before
I got saved, man, I, I was a drug, I
was a drug addict.
I was an alcoholic, you know, um, any, any drug
I can put in my vein or smoke or, or
snort or whatever. I, I was doing that. I did
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that for like about 15 years of my life and
it just, it destroyed my life and um it did
get to a point kind of where there was this
emptiness and this despair. I was tired of going back,
you know, in and out of prison and
Um, there came a point in my life where I
just knew I needed help, but I didn't know what
to do, and, and I felt like there was no answer.
I felt, you know, everything was hopeless in my life,
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you know, and it, it just came to this point
and place where my, where I confessed all of that
to the Lord, but I then made a decision as
well to put myself into, you know, I went into
a program. There was also some other conditions there, but
I went to a program and.
I made a choice. I remember just making a decision
and making a choice and saying, you know what, I've
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tried everything that I can do on this side. I
tried everything, you know, I can't, I can't shake this, this, the,
you know, the alcohol, I can't shake the dope. So God,
I'm going to whatever I am going to be told
to do by these people who I know love God
and I feel care about me, I'm gonna follow their direction.
I'm just gonna do that. I'm gonna submit and yield.
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And surrender everything. And I got to tell you, man,
it was a it was an extremely difficult season, but
as I began to just practice that.
You know, I'm just gonna yield to authority. I'm just gonna,
hey man, what should I do? I feel like drinking,
what should I do? And just asking these questions and, and,
and looking for help and putting myself in these places.
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I found that week after week and month after month, I,
I just got more strengthened and I began to mature
and grow in the things of God and the next thing.
You know, it was like, man, I remember I was
celebrating 12 months. I was getting my 1 year chip,
you know, it's like, wow, I've been sober for 12
months and not even, and I didn't even try, you know,
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it's just happening and, uh, and now by the grace
of God, Joe, it's, it's been, you know, I just
celebrated 25 years of of sobriety and walking with the
Lord and it's all.
It's all just it is all Jesus, but it is
really putting yourself in a place, you know, where you
can have some accountability and some encouragement and grow in
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these things and talk about your issues with addiction.
Um, and all these other things because if we're not
doing those, I know life gets hard and in the,
in the midst of life and the challenges and difficulties, we,
as especially as drug addicts and alcoholics, we can make
reservations and say, man, you know, I'm gonna stay clean
and sober for the next, you know, that's it. I'm
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gonna stay clean and sober, but then, you know, something happens,
you know, health issues, money issues, you know, relationship issues,
and the next thing you know, instead of like seeking.
You know, the help, you know, or like a sponsor
or something like that or a pastor, it's like, man, I'm,
you know, instead of going to the king of kings,
I'm going to the king of beers, you know, because
that's just something we've always done as far as like
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a a reservation. So and make the reservation now it's like,
you know what? I'm gonna constantly just go to Jesus
and I'm gonna go to accountability. I'm gonna go, I'm
gonna get a sponsor, I'm gonna go to my pastor,
I'm gonna go to this addiction ministry at my church
and just really be accountable and I want to grow
in these things and to to be victorious.
Yeah, Celebrate recovery is something that we've always talked about
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here on Pastor's Perspective. You can find out more about
them at celebrate recovery.com.
All right, Joe, thank you for your phone call. Did
you have anything to add? OK. All right, 888-564-6173. If
everybody could please keep Joe in your prayers as well.
Now we're gonna go to Paul who is watching us
on YouTube right now in Richland, Washington. Hi there, Paul,
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thank you for, uh, watching. Let's wave to Paul. Hi Paul, and, uh,
thanks for calling in today, 888-564-6173. What's up?
Um, yes, um, I was wondering, um, as Moses and
Joshua and Joseph are pictures of Jesus Christ, isn't John
the Baptist also a picture of Jesus preparing the way
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for us to come to the Father? Is not Jesus
a voice crying in the wilderness, even as he is
also the root in dry ground, and is Jesus not
our all and in all?
So why are you asking these questions, Paul? Well, I
guess when I'm reading, and I just, I don't know, um,
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I just love to read scripture every morning and I
get so blessed before I go to work.
And I'm just, I don't know, it's like I'm, I'm
playing around with the scriptures and I love it and
I don't know, I, I was just thinking like it
seems like um kind of like Jesus points the way
to the Father, and yet I know he says he
and the father are one.
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And um, OK, I don't know. I, and I was
thinking like Jesus was probably in John the Baptist. I
don't know like he was in other, so I don't know.
All right, Tommy, we'll start with you. Yeah, no, great,
great question, Paul, and man, that is so cool that
you are just getting into the practice of, of reading
scriptures and, and, um, you know, just ask and having
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questions like this. I think this is one way that
We constantly, you know, no matter how long we've been
walking with the Lord, that we, we can grow and mature. However, I,
I would say in regards to your question and, and everything,
Jesus himself speaks of John the Baptist as more of
like kind of coming in the spirit of Elijah, you know, and,
and so it's not so much that John the Baptist is,
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you know, like a.
You know, Christ or or anything like that or a
picture of Christ, but more of Elijah, you know, being
that voice in the wilderness to prepare the way for
the Messiah, you know, and as a matter of fact, Jesus,
you know, refers to John the Baptist as, as the
greatest prophet as well. And so it wouldn't be so
much as, you know, him like a picture of, you know,
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of Jesus in that sense of what you're talking about,
but more of Elijah.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
She, yeah, and.
With, with, um,
Paul, with your lifestyle and my lifestyle, it should be
a lifestyle like John and which makes all of our lifestyles, um,
a mirror or an image or an example of Christ.
For example, you know, um, you know, we are to,
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to share the gospel. Jesus, you know, did that.
Uh, we are to be bold and, and walk in authority.
Jesus did that, and, um, you know, we were baptized
like Jesus, and so it's more of our, our ways,
you know, should point to Christ, not that John, you know,
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was Christ, but our ways should point to him, and that's,
you know, for you, me and all beliefs.
Yes,
Speaker 1 (27:43):
very good. Paul, thank you for your, uh, question today.
Thanks for calling in to 888-564-6173, and it's better to
be like Christ than to be like John the Baptist
because first of all, John the Baptist was a sinner,
but he also ate locusts and wild honey, not something
I wanted to be. I mean, I don't know. You guys,
have you ever had it? I don't know honey I've had.
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I've actually had some crickets. Yeah, there's a restaurant over
here in Santa Ana that they sell on purpose. Yes,
on purpose. I thought maybe,
Speaker 2 (28:12):
mine were in South Africa. Yeah, at crickets, not many,
but I tried it. Yeah,
Speaker 1 (28:19):
yeah, they taste like chicken or no, they're crunchy, bro.
The ones over here in Santa Ana, they're crunchy, yes, like, uh,
almost like nachos.
You know, I'll pass. We just dip them in the
salsa and they're all, it's all, yeah, and you don't know, right?
I'm gonna have to take you to I was gonna
say he's gonna bring me some here have this. What
do you think? Oh, it's delicious. What is it? Crickets.
(28:40):
Oh man, might have to throw down on Tommy at
that point, but, uh, anyway, not gonna do that they
got good tacos there too, cricket tacos, maybe maybe.
I'm not going to lunch with Tommy. All right, 888-564-6173
is the number to call us today on Pastor's Perspective.
We've got Tommy Coda and Sheridan McDaniel. You hear both
of these guys on the weekends here on Kwave, Tommy,
(29:02):
HopeAive Radio heard at 5 p.m. on Saturdays. Sheridan, you
have not heard on the weekends, but
You will starting tomorrow. He's got a brand new radio
program 10 o'clock Saturday mornings.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Yes with your breakfast bro,
Speaker 1 (29:16):
I've been hearing the commercials, man, looking forward to it. Yes,
his breakfast of crickets, as as you're, as you're eating
your rice crickets cereal, uh, you can crackle pop.
You can hear worship that Walks. That is the name
of Pastor Sheridan McDaniel's radio program and debuts tomorrow, Saturday,
August 2nd at 10 a.m. So check that out here
(29:39):
in Southern California on FM 107.9 or AM 1110.
If you're out of the Southern California area, you can
listen online at kwave.com or download our streaming app. You
can listen anywhere you are. All right, more phone calls
coming up, more questions. What do you want to ask
Tommy and Sheridan? 888-564-6173.
(30:15):
Welcome back to Pastor's Perspective, 888-564-6173. Brian Perez here with Pastors,
Sheridan McDaniel and Tommy Coda, who's showing me pictures of
these crickets and encouraging me to, um, to eat some,
and I say no.
Not gonna do it. Not gonna do it. They got
a good smoky flavor. OK, sure they do. Yeah. OK. Well,
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more for you. The less I eat, the more for you.
All right, 888-564-6173 is our number. You guys ready to
answer more questions. Let's do one that was sent in online.
This one is from Renee, who writes, I'm a member
of the Church of Christ, and because the Bible mentions
all the churches of Christ.
And Romans 16, does this only mean churches with that
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title are the only ones that teach the true gospel,
or does it mean all churches that teach the gospel
of Christ? Sheridan, what would you say to Renee?
Speaker 2 (31:04):
So I, I pray, uh, I wish all churches taught
the gospel of Christ. Um, I don't believe the name
of the church really determines what's happening in the church. Um, well,
we want to make sure, you know, that
You know, we're reading our word and that when we
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do hear the word preached, that it's in line with
what the word of God is is saying that, that
we're reading and so, you know, I don't think the
church has to have in its name, Christ.
Uh, in order to be a Bible believing, good teaching,
preaching church. Um, that's gonna depend upon, you know, of course,
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the one that is leading that ministry, and I pray
that the one leading that ministry is called by God
to lead the ministry, but, uh,
I wouldn't, uh, not say just because the name Christ
on the church means that it's teaching according to the word.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Isn't it crazy though, with a name like Church of
Christ or Church of God, people just assume, I remember
hearing a story years ago, like 100 years ago, um,
Bank of America used to be called the Bank of Italy, right? So,
when people started coming over from Europe, they changed the
name to the Bank of America. So people would show
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up here in the US and they, oh look, Bank
of America, that's the that's the bank we're supposed to
bank at. So they started going there, and so it
it's all in the name. So if you see even
a what's the what's the one, the um
Uh, Church of Jesus Christ scientist or not Scientology, but the,
but there's the Church of Christ scientists, that's what it
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is and something like that, some new believer or something
might look at that. Oh, Christ, I'm gonna start going
to this church. I like, whoa, gotta be careful you
got to be very careful. As a matter of fact,
when I first got saved, I went to, um, I went,
I remember going to the Orange County, uh, Orange County
Fair and
There was a booth and exactly it was that it
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was the Church of Christ, the science or scientists or whatever.
Some of what you just said right now, right? And
so I, I remember I was so interested because I,
I was like, wow, here's some scientists who believe in Jesus,
you know, but it was.
All, you know, it was all false, you know, just
the false gospel, you know, and so it is, we
do have to be very careful, I think just because,
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you know, someone puts the name Christ, you know, and
it's the holy name, right? And, and but they use
it just to to their advantage. And it's more certain,
it's kind of more what you said to it it's
about those churches, not so much the name of the church,
but a church.
Professing and confessing the name Jesus as Lord and Savior
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and and being faithful to the gospel, being faithful to
the word of God. I think that's really what we
want to be looking for and, you know, find a
church that's faithful to the name, you know, to who
Jesus is faithful to the gospel, faithful to the teaching
of the word of God.
You know, and, um, you know, not ashamed of that
gospel message either. So that's kind of what we want
to be looking for, but it's not just, OK, only
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the names that got Christ in it, you know, those
are the ones that count because oftentimes those are false gospels,
Speaker 2 (34:22):
even in Revelations when he talks about the churches the
list that begins in in the book of Revelations and
What he kept saying is, I have somewhat against you.
I mean, these are Church of Ephesus, Church of Pregomas,
you know, Church of Diattara, and he's, you know, saying
even at those churches, I have someone against you, so
it comes down to, you know, the word of God.
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Are we hearing it and living it.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Renee, thank you so much for sending in your question
and thank you for listening to FM 107.9 in Irwindale,
where I believe you can also pick up AM 1110
quite well. 888-564-6173 is the number to call us, and
here is Nick in Moreno Valley also listening on FM 107.9. Hey, Nick,
how can we help you today?
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Hey guys,
Speaker 1 (35:11):
how y'all doing?
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Doing good.
Alright, I was just calling
Speaker 1 (35:15):
in,
Speaker 2 (35:16):
quick question. I was wondering,
Speaker 1 (35:18):
is it possible for the devil to like infiltrate your thoughts?
Why do you ask that question, Nick?
Speaker 2 (35:26):
So like, have you ever had like an intrusive thought
where it was like
Kind of, kind of mean and you're like, oh man,
that's not, that's not how I really feel.
Yeah. And you're like, why am I thinking that? Or,
Speaker 1 (35:41):
or have you ever had like a song pop up
in your head and you're like, I wasn't even thinking
of this song like. Yeah, I want pop up in
my
head. Especially at church on a Sunday morning or when
you're trying to pray. And uh do some quiet time,
all of a sudden these thoughts. And so Nick, Nick,
I want to tell you, uh, for me personally, I,
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I don't know about Sheridan, but for me,
Man, that happens a lot, you know, I'll just be
sitting there with my Bible open and and kind of
just all ready to, you know, just get into like
a devotion or or whatever, just Bible reading, and the
next thing you know it's like my brain is like
I had checked out and is like going to a
thought maybe perhaps of my past or exactly what you said,
(36:24):
like a song, you know, and I'm like, why in
the world am I or even times of praying, it
happens a lot, I think when I pray.
You know, when I'll just be praying and, and, you know,
the prayer time will just, it seems to be going
very good and then all of a sudden it's like
this thought.
You know, comes into my head, you know, of, you know,
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whether it's like, you know, uh an aggressive, violent, you know, thought, or,
or wait, I kind of go back, man, what did
that dude tell me yesterday, man? Oh man, I should
have just, you know, then I start running. I should
have said this, I should have did that. I was like,
what is going on? I'm trying to pray, you know,
and
So I, I would say, you know, Nick, this is
something that is not uncommon and um referred to as
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I refer to this as as spiritual warfare. This is
exactly what this is spiritual warfare, you know, and um
the and the fiery darts, you know, the, the trickery,
the schemes and the trickery of the devil, you know,
constantly are is, is coming at us, you know, and
there's targets on us to distract us, you know, to
pull us away.
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Um, from pursuing the things of God, from actually, you know, um,
getting into prayer. So, and that's when we have to
just really engage and, and really just push past those things,
you know, and sometimes it's just, you know, perhaps like Nick,
when you're praying.
And you're having, you know, as you're praying and then
all of a sudden the thought comes into your brain
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or a song that's not it's not glorifying to the Lord, like, man,
you kind of wish you forget about that song, you know,
it's real good thing is that, you know, Lord, I
just confess, just confess that, you know, um, and just
don't make it a big deal. It's like, you know, Lord, I,
I confess that right now I wanna keep on pursuing you,
you know, and, and maybe it's start starting to sing,
you know, um, a praise song or or.
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You know, an old hymn or just reading through the Psalms,
you know, kind of just taking those thoughts captive as
what the Bible tells us to do, you know, and,
and thinking on the things that are good, holy and
pure and wholesome.
You know, that's kind of, you know, at least those
are the things that I, I desire to do when
I experience, you know, this kind of spiritual warfare and
and all that stuff. And so, you know, the enemy
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is always seemingly trying to be intrusive in the life
of the believer, especially with our thought life. Sheridan, how
do you do it?
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Yeah.
Um, and Nick, that, that's a very good question to
let you know as as Tommy share, you're not on
your own. I mean, all of us are gonna experience
thoughts that come to our mind, praying, worshiping, on the
way to church, in church, uh, thoughts will pop up. Uh,
the Bible talks about we have an old sin nature.
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And that nature carries thoughts that that are shoot up,
you know, in our, in our minds and so it's
a matter of not what comes to my mind, but
how I respond to it. And that's what I want
you to focus on, Nick. How do you respond to
those thoughts because the Bible, you know, tells us to
resist the devil and he'll he'll flee from us and
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he's given us the ability, you know, to, you know,
guard our hearts and our minds and to
Be able to respond accurately to when those thoughts come
and
And that's where we want our focus. When that ugly
thought comes, what am I gonna do with it? Am
I gonna yield to it, or am I gonna, you know, again,
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as Tommy shared, you know, Lord, I cast that thought
down or, or I'm gonna begin to worship, I'm gonna
begin to praise, and what happens is you begin to exercise,
you know, your spiritual muscles when you begin to pray,
and when you begin to read, when you begin to worship, um,
when you
And get accountability, you know, with somebody who'll do that
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with you. And so I don't want you to feel
down bad about the thought. Just use that as, OK,
this is my opportunity to give God glory, and worship Him,
to read and to pray.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Does it
help to pray out loud?
Speaker 2 (40:27):
I love praying out loud, you know, because even the
Bible says faith cometh by hearing and, and hearing something, though,
is me talking. So I talk to myself a lot.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Yeah, yeah, and praying out loud is, is a good
thing and also reading the Bible out loud, you know, um,
it's a practice that that I do from time to time.
It's just like, all right, I want to just read
this chapter out loud, you know, and it does help
me to really stay in tune and staying focus and
also too, I think sometimes standing up or doing a
prayer walk, you know, just walking, it kind of helps
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me to, OK, I really got.
You know, staying in tune, so whatever helps, you know, uh,
to really keep our mind, you know, on those things.
But sometimes it's not even when we're praying, it's just
like we're just driving down the street and all of
a sudden it's like this thought, you know, like what
you're talking about, you know, our olds in nature, you know, comes,
comes to, uh, creeps up, yeah, creeps up. Yeah. Nick,
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what do you think?
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Well, so, to, to add on to it, um, I've,
I've read the Bible twice
Speaker 1 (41:30):
and,
Speaker 2 (41:31):
uh,
There's a, you know, they talk about people who won't
Speaker 1 (41:37):
enter
Speaker 2 (41:37):
heaven and, and,
Speaker 1 (41:39):
and they
Speaker 2 (41:39):
talk about like people who blaspheme.
God and,
Speaker 1 (41:44):
and, and
Speaker 2 (41:46):
people who blasphem God will
Speaker 1 (41:47):
be
Speaker 2 (41:48):
forgiven,
Speaker 1 (41:48):
but if you blast
Speaker 2 (41:49):
them the Holy Spirit,
Speaker 1 (41:51):
it's an unforgivable sin.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Mhm.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
If
Speaker 2 (41:57):
you're having
Speaker 1 (41:57):
like blasphemous
Speaker 2 (41:59):
thoughts
Speaker 1 (41:59):
and, and, and in your heart, you know, like,
Speaker 2 (42:02):
oh that's not, I would never say anything like that.
I would never
Like, am I, what do you think I'm gonna be
held accountable for that? Like, or Sheldon. Yeah, and, and again, Nick,
it's your response. We, we have to know that thoughts
will come. Uh, we have to know that storms will come,
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tragedy will come, people will speak and say crazy things. Um,
don't focus so much on
What's coming to your mind or what comes to you,
but put your focus on your response. No, you're not
going down, you're not going to hell, you're not because
the a thought like the blasphemous thought came to your mind.
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Your response is, you know, Lord, I give you glory,
you know, and, uh, I'm gonna switch over to the
scriptures as well.
What so things are just, what's so things are lovely.
What so things are true of a good report, and
then it says think on these things. And so again,
use it as uh an exercise to to say I'm
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just gonna let this point me to do, to think
on the things of God and uh and again, it's
just gonna build you spiritually when you do that.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
Yeah. And you know, too, Nick, this is uh also.
You know, I, I really think that sometimes when we,
when we're engaging these things and we have like, OK, man, Lord,
I don't want to do this, but these are the thoughts.
I think sometimes that that's a, you know, also.
Uh, an earmark of of a believer who is, you know,
actually doing and pursuing and again it's not being perfect,
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but it's like, man, I'm pursuing the things of God
and we're experiencing these spiritual attacks and it's, it doesn't
settle well with you. There's like, man, I don't like this.
I don't like when I think these things, you know,
what is, you know, am I going to be held
accountable for all the, you know, the questions that you're
having right now? I think that is right there what
I would encourage you personally, Nick, is like, you know, hey,
you're in a good place, bro. It's like, you know, um,
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in the sense that
You know, um, experiencing this spiritual attack, you know, man,
you belong to God.
You know, keep doing what you're doing, keep pursuing, keep,
you know, I, I, I think of what, what Paul
tells Timothy, you know, to fight the good fight of faith.
This is a challenge, you know, and, and it is
a battle, you know, and these are the things, this
is one of the reasons and purposes of why God
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gives to us in the Bible, you know, this, this, the, um,
that they that there in Ephesians chapter 6 when it
talks about our spiritual, you know, um, our spiritual armor
that we get.
To have, you know, recognizing, hey, there is a real
enemy out there, you know, in the helmet of salvation.
I think of, you know, really guarding our thoughts, that
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is so important. So every element of of this armor
is extremely important for the life of the believer because
it is a constant battle and attack that we are
engaged in day to day, you know, and when it
changes from day to day too. It's not always the same. Yeah.
Do you think non-believers experience spiritual warfare as well? And
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if so, to what extent? Would it be to the
same because they have no idea what's going on necessarily.
So how do they handle it? Do they even know
what's going on? What would you say, Sheridan?
Speaker 2 (45:12):
If, if they're completely a non-believer, like 100%, I would
say they don't even know what's going on. Um, they don't,
they don't have any idea, they don't have a tool
to work with, to fight with, you know, a Lord
to pray to, you know, unless they would use that
crazy thought or whatever's going on in my mind to
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turn to the Lord who they heard before. Thank God
if they do that, but as far as what's happening.
Yeah,
Speaker 1 (45:43):
yeah, I would, I would agree with Sherry 100%, you know,
like living in, in just a a life of darkness,
being clueless to the fact that, you know, there is
a spiritual battle, and I think a lot of times
too is, you know, there.
Maybe perhaps like the the whole mind of of the
enemy is like, well, here's a person who doesn't even
know who Jesus is, is already living in bonded in
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bondage and in darkness, you know, um, for whatever, whatever,
whether it's money, a life, you know, a lifestyle of
like rich and famous or, you know, a gang lifestyle,
whatever it is, it's like there's no need for this, uh, intrusion,
you know, um, to, to, you know, uh, these fiery
darts to pull back this person, you know, from walking
with the Lord from pursuing these things, you know.
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Um, I, I always think it's like, man, once the Lord,
you know, really awakens our hearts and, and, you know,
we are, you know, born again in, in the spirit,
and then what happens is we become aware of this, of,
of the, the light and darkness. We're we're we're aware
of the, the true.
and and lie, you know, like, but aware in the
sense of spiritually aware, you know, like there is, there
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is an eternity and then, OK, the battles, you know,
can begin to, you know, be be challenging for a person.
But yeah, when a person is not walking with the
Lord or you know hasn't confessed Jesus as savior, um,
I don't think, uh, for the most part, there might
be some, but for the most part, no. I don't
think they're aware of living in a life.
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They're not aware, but they do get attacked, would you say?
Because exa for example, even if you are as a Christian,
you're sharing your faith with a non-believer, and then that's
when the enemy might start attacking, oh, don't believe what
they're saying they're, you know, I mean, I guess that
could happen, right? Yeah,
Speaker 2 (47:27):
blinding the minds of those who are in darkness and
the fact that I'm
You mind is blindness, blinded, someone is doing that. Yeah,
Speaker 1 (47:36):
yeah, absolutely. All right, Nick, thank you for your phone
call today on Pastor's perspective. Now we're gonna talk to
Larry in Los Angeles. Hello, Larry, what is your question
for us today?
Speaker 2 (47:45):
Yes, hi, thank you for having me. Oh, I've
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been
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listening to
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you
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guys for
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years
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and
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when
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I
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decided to
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call. OK.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
What took you so long to call, Larry?
That's nervous laughter if you ask me. We, we, we
just caught him. We just caught him. He's been listening
for years and he's just now, I'm joking, Larry. What,
what is your question for us today?
OK, there's a scripture in
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Zechariah
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3 where it says,
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um, God does the writing for the stone with seven eyes.
So it's been years that I've been saying, oh, this
is Jesus in uh Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, James, Peter,
and Jude.
And so, um, so then it's most people are like,
you know, that's insane man, you know, but I, I said, well,
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every time you see Jesus, you see these 7 that
are talking about, you know, him, that's the only way
I got to know him.
So I wanted to see, you know, even a lamb
has 7 eyes, you know, that has been slain. So
that's Jesus. So it just seemed to me the stone
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with the seven eyes would and where God's doing the
writing would also be Jesus.
And since these 7 tell me everything about them, I said, oh, OK,
these are these 7 Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, James, Peter,
and Jude.
The eyes.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
Hm,
OK. Have you heard this before?
Speaker 2 (49:21):
Uh, I've never heard that, uh, put exactly like that, but, um,
I know that particular scripture is, you know, filled with
Massianic pro, you know, prophecy and that
I like to use the word, uh, Larry, that it
points to Jesus and not that it is him, but
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that it points to him like many symbols did do
in the Old Testament. Many signs, they point to Christ.
And when I hear the, um, you know, the stone that,
that is, you know, like a representation appointed to Christ
as our foundation and
The seven eyes is symbolic, uh, more of God's complete
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wisdom and, and not, you know, in my mind picturing
Jesus with seven eyes running around or a lamb with
seven eyes, but it's more of, of a 7 representing,
you know, completeness, and so it speaks of God's complete
wisdom and, and, um, and so the scripture is, again, it's,
(50:26):
it's more of a prophecy pointing to Christ.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
Yeah.
Any thoughts, Tommy? No, no, no, no, any thoughts right there.
That was really good. Thank you. All right, Larry, thank
you for your phone call today on Pastor's perspective. I
see one more coming in. Do we have that one
ready yet? Can we just make it ready, like right
now in 543.
(50:50):
2
One, perfect. OK, it is Margot calling in from El Toro.
What is your question for us today, Margo?
Speaker 2 (50:59):
Is it me?
Yeah, you.
Oh, it's not Margo, it's Martha. Hi Pastor John
Speaker 1 (51:05):
Martha, I'm so sorry, Martha.
Speaker 2 (51:11):
OK, I have a.
A question I think you guys had mentioned about uh
scripture about or someone stated something about casting out um
a situation, right? Do you understand what I'm talking about?
Like sometimes when the bad situations,
Speaker 1 (51:28):
people will pray to
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cast it out
Speaker 1 (51:30):
like
not Casting out demons and things like that. So what
you're talking about? or like
uh like
like a spirit.
Speaker 2 (51:40):
No, just like not accepting something like say if you
were probably diagnosed to have cancer, uh, people teach you
how to, oh no, um, don't accept it, pass it
out or something like that. My question is that, uh,
years ago I heard a teaching where they said that.
(52:03):
That sometimes it's good to accept the bad situations and
go through them, so then we wouldn't have work situations
like trials. And I'm like, so is it right to
cast them out or is it better
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to accept them and just ask the Lord
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to walk
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you through
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them?
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I was always questioned
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that.
Speaker 1 (52:26):
What do you guys think?
Tommy,
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I don't know.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
Yeah.
No, I, I think I understand what you're saying, Martha,
you know, I, and I think sometimes, you know,
When there are, when we go through situations in life,
you know, for instance, as you brought up, like, uh,
you know, just a, a diagnosis, you know, um, it
can be a, you know, diagnosis is, is a diagnosis and, and,
you know, the Lord has given wisdom to people to
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make the proper diagnosis and, and I always recommend, you know,
if it's something extremely serious, yeah, we do want to
have wisdom and get maybe a first and, you know, another,
a second opinion on these things, but
It's not like ignoring the the facts either, you know,
for whatever reason.
You know, in the, just the, the, the sovereign will
(53:14):
of God has allowed a person to go through some
experiences that that are are challenging and that are difficult,
you know, such as, you know, say a, a, a,
you know, diagnosis of cancer or something like that.
You know, that's the sovereign will of God and and
in that God can still work. It doesn't mean that, OK, well,
here's the diagnosis. Well, I'm just going to cast that out.
(53:34):
I'm gonna ignore it, you know, and it's like I,
I think sometimes that can be maybe the foolish thing
to do. It's like, no, I we we pray. Yes,
of course, we do believe God can heal if he
chooses to heal. And so we're going to pray for that.
But also, you know, God, how can you use this
immediate situation for your glory? You know, I've heard of
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so many.
Um, testimonies of people who have been diagnosed with cancer
and it's through their treatments of like chemo or whatever
they're doing through their treatments that they were actually being
a vessel of God to share the gospel of Jesus
Christ with others that are getting that same kind of
treatment and God used them.
You know, to share the gospel and because of that,
(54:17):
people were getting saved and people were, you know, coming
to know, know the Lord Jesus Christ through it all, um,
even as a person getting diagnosed, you know, it maybe
there might be family members that aren't saved, but the
person who's being diagnosed like, you know what, this is
my reality, but I'm gonna give glory to God and
you know, the rest of the family gets saved. So,
you know, um, I, I would say you really wanna
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give glory to God, you know, in all, in all things.
45 seconds.
Speaker 2 (54:44):
Totally agree with Tommy Martha. I would say, God, you know,
whatever this is, you get the glory from it, you know,
help me to, to respond accurately and well, um, that
whole casting out, get rid thing, the Bible said in
this life, we're gonna have trials and tribulations. And again,
as we've been sharing earlier, it's more of my response
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to it. Yes, I pray God you move this, move that,
but if it's here, you get the glory.
Speaker 1 (55:13):
Martha, thank you for your phone call today here on
Pastor's Perspective. We have run out of time for the week,
but we'll be back on Monday. But before Monday, there
is Sunday, so we hope to see you at church
on Sunday. You can check out Tommy's Church, Hope Alive
in Santa Ana, or Sheridan's Church, that's right, more than one.
Saint Mark's Baptist Church in Long Beach, or a place
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for worship in Anaheim, and then Saturday morning at 10 o'clock.
Be tuned in tomorrow for the debut episode of Worship
That Walks with our friend Pastor Sheridan McDaniel. Thank you
guys for joining us today on Pastor's Perspective. What do
you say we do it again next week? I'll be here. OK, awesome, awesome.
God bless you guys. We'll talk to you next time
(55:57):
on Pastor's Perspective.
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