September 25, 2025 • 56 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:22):
OK, here we are. Welcome to Pastor's Perspective. I'm your host,
Brian Perez, and we are here live on this Thursday,
the 25th of September. Give us a call. We're gonna
be here until 4 o'clock to answer the questions you
have about the Bible, the Christian faith, just about anything
going on. 888-564-6173 is the number to call. Sheridan McDaniel
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is here once again. He's the pastor of two, count
them two churches.
And they are called A Place for worship. That's in Anaheim,
Saint Mark's Baptist Church, that is in Long Beach. Sheridan,
good to see you here again, sir. Good to see you,
Brian and Brian. Second time in a week, that is
so cool. Brian Broderson is here as well from Echoes
of Mercy.com. He also teaches on Saturday, uh, Sunday nights
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at Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa, and, uh, you also hear
him here during the week on the Back to Basics
radio program. Pastor Brian, the rapture didn't happen yesterday.
Well, either that or we missed it did and we
missed it.
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Well, you know, we sort of thought that that was
probably going to be the
You know, but that it was not gonna, that was
gonna be the the end result of all of the
Predicting and so forth, you know, yeah, yeah, so not surprised.
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Well, to know I didn't get left.
We did not. But yeah, now all those people that
were predicting that it was gonna be yesterday, it's like,
now what are they saying? I wonder. I mean, you know,
gonna have to stop their YouTube channel and everything else.
I don't know, change the date, yeah, or change the date, yeah. Oh,
did I say 2025? I meant 2026. It'll be next year. Yeah, it,
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it is, it is amazing the um.
I don't know if resilience is the best word to use,
but the, the way these people will just kind of
regroup and come back with a
You know, another attempt and you think, well, you know,
you probably ought to just leave that and move on
to something else. Yeah, there was, there was a book
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years ago and I, I think, I think the original
one was um.
Was that 88 reasons why the rapture is going to
take place in 1988, yeah, and then of course, you know, uh,
but then they, they kept going, you know, '89 came around.
They had a new an addition to it, you know,
they tried it for a few years and they're gonna
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get it right.
Get it right sometime, yeah. Here's what AI said about
that book, 88 Reasons.
Um, the book became a massive bestseller, but the predicted
events did not occur. Yeah, we know that. Thank you. Yeah,
and his name, Edgar Cenot, I remember, um.
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Why people were making a wise crack like a, you know,
a wise nut.
But, but you see that he was a NASA engineer.
I mean, you know.
It just shows you you don't want to be too smart.
You come up with dumb ideas. That's it.
We're OK.
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All right, you guys, give us a call. I'm OK.
I'm not gonna speak for you, Sheridan. I'm I'm with you, Brian.
You're OK. I'm OK. OK. All right. 888-564-6173 is the
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sent in online, which, like I said, is another way
to get your question to us, and it is from.
Um, Paul, who is in Waikoloa, Hawaii. Really? Nice. OK.
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Listens on the Kwave app. Thank you, Paul, for downloading
the app. And uh it's just follow up about our
recent conversation about uh Charlie Kirk and uh Paul writes, uh,
recently it was said that Charlie Kirk was polarizing, but
that that can be said about anyone who takes a
stand for any particular belief, says Paul.
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He never returned cuss words and false accusations, and regarding
the comments about Simone Biles, she had made rude, mean,
pro-transgender remarks about a Christian woman athlete that is standing
up to that offensive agenda.
And he was merely defending the Christian woman who doesn't
want men in women's sports and their locker rooms. as
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best as I can see, he was adamant, but not
crossing any lines, so to speak. I believe we need
to be compassionate, yet can also be supportive of the
quote unquote John the Baptists among us. Any thoughts on that, guys?
Well, since I'm the one who made those comments and
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Uh, maybe there was more.
Conversation uh regarding Simone Biles then I'm aware of, but, uh,
the conversation I'm talking about or the comments that I'm
talking about had nothing to do with transgender or anything.
This was during the Olympics and it was her dropping
out of the Olympics because of her, you know, she
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didn't feel like she could, uh, compete, uh, up to
her full potential because she, you know, she was weak
or sick or something.
And that's where he, you know, really came down on
her and, you know, so disappointing to everybody because we
needed to beat Russia and she was supposed to be
the one to do that and so it had nothing
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to do with transgender. So if he had a different
beef with her over that, that's fine, but, you know, look,
people are gonna, um,
I saw, I don't know if you saw this Sheridan,
because you, you haven't paid too much attention to it,
I don't think, but do you know who Van Jones is,
you know, he's a, yeah, CNC, CNN commentator, and, uh,
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and him and Charlie Kirk butted heads all the time,
you know, and, uh.
But the day before Kirk was murdered, he sent a
message to Van Jones because they had been in a,
in a beef about something.
And he said, hey, I want you to come on
my program and I want you to, uh, you know,
I'll treat you like a gentleman, just like you would
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treat me and let's just talk about our differences and
let's agree to disagree agreeably. That was the end of
his thing. And the crazy thing was Van Jones didn't
even get this until after Charlie had died, so it,
so it really touched him, you know, and he went
on CNN, he talked about it and everything, and you
know it was pretty emotional.
With it, but the, but the key is, uh, Charlie
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said it, let's agree to disagree agreeably. So not everybody's
gonna feel the same way about Charlie Kirk. And so,
Um, let's agree to disagree agreeably. So I, I personally think,
I'm not questioning the fact whether he was a Christian
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or not, or any of that. I'm just, uh, in
my experiences with him, I, I saw him speaking to
people and saying things that I
I would not
Say really represented the heart and the tone of Jesus. Now,
was that all the time? Uh, no, apparently not, because,
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you know, he did a lot of good and said
a lot of good. But anyway, that, but that was
my experience. So, yeah, and I, I didn't, I was
unaware of the conversation, but I remember Sim Simone Biles
situation and
Even just watching media in general and how a lot
of them just came negative you know um but
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It's something we have to be ready for in life.
It's gonna happen. Um, I like the scripture that talks
about our conversations being season.
You know, with, with salt and, and always speaking with
grace and uh that's as believers that should be our approach, yeah.
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All right, very good, Paul. Thank you for sending in
your question on Kwave.com, and I will go to the
phones 888-564-6173 is our number. We will start with Anthony
in Ontario who's listening on FM 107.9. Hey there, Anthony,
what's going on? Hey, hey, good afternoon, gentlemen. I appreciate
you guys taking my phone call. I won't try to
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take up too much of your time, but I guess
this one would be directed more towards, uh, Sheridan.
And so yesterday we had a quick conversation because I
was on my break and I'm basically gonna finish it
up so I had to get off the company clock
and I made a comment about Charlie Kirk and then
my fellow co-worker is uh black African American.
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And so he goes, well, I didn't his comment, his
response was that, well, I didn't really agree with all
of what Charlie Kirk said, you know, I didn't. I
asked him what and he goes, Well, he didn't want,
he didn't wanna really elaborate. So this is a question, uh, shared.
So he then he then started talking about, uh, that
the Europeans had given the slaves.
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Uh, if I, I don't remember word for word what
he said, but something to the effect of he didn't,
they didn't give him like the I guess uh edited
version or altered version or told them either they gotta
worship this or kind of worship that, and he seemed
to like get a little bit uh a little bit agitated.
You know when he was talking to me about that
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and I was just surprised so I was just wondering
how uh I wasn't able to do any uh research
into it so I just wonder what your biblical perspective
response would be towards him and what I just told you.
So, uh, he just let me clarify, he was asking
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or sharing with you that the African slaves were given
an altered Bible.
Or to something to that effect, yes, he was saying
that that the Europeans gave them or he either mentioned
something effect of, you know, they were told to, to
worship like this or like that or just something like
that and it it totally caught me off guard.
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So I didn't, uh, I therefore led off astray, you know, I,
I let him talk for a few minutes like I said, I,
we had in our conversation. So then I just got
back to the point of, well, do you think it's
possible that the enemy tries to use race to divide, uh, uh, uh,
people from different, you know, different creations, you know, why
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and whatever, so yeah. Yeah, and, and to that point, uh,
of course I know the enemy will use race, he'll use.
Culture, he'll use whatever he can to divide that's his assignment, um,
to do that as far as the altered Bibles, as
you say, that's something I would even have to research
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and look more into. What I do know is that
When people even to this day will use the Bible
to get their point across, their viewpoint, uh, their perspective,
what they believe, um, to, to use it for what,
you know, they want to use it as that even
happens to this day, um, in, in churches with people,
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you know, and could be in a small group.
Uh, some people interpret scriptures in a way that maybe
they wanted to fit them, or, you know, or their,
you know, belief or what they're trying to prove. So
that does happen and I'm sure it happened back in
slavery days where they would want the slaves to, you know, believe.
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You know, one way that that wasn't accurate, complete with
what the Bible was saying, so I, I'm not sure
if they altered it or if it was just the
way they taught it.
Brian.
Yes, there was an altered version known as the slave Bible,
and it was produced in London in 1807 and it
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was given specifically to um the slaves in the West Indies,
which would be the Caribbean islands as we know them
today and um it was.
Uh, you know, I mean, you know, it's interesting. It
was kind of like, well, we want to give them
something to encourage them, so we'll give them portions of
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the Bible, but we don't want to encourage them to
think that they should pursue their freedom or believe that
they should be liberated. So we're gonna take the passages
out of the Bible that would imply that, uh, in
the Old Testament and even in the New Testament, um,
places where this is really interesting, places where
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Um, the apostle Paul, for example, like in Ephesians or Colossians,
you know, he's writing to masters and slaves, and the
instruction that he gives the master, of course, is, you know,
you have a master in heaven, so you better keep
that in mind as you're dealing with your slave, you know,
so there was to be, you know, fair treatment and
love and and all of that. So they, they deleted that,
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they left that out because they didn't, you know, they,
they were just trying to
Uh, manage the slave population without them getting some kind
of an idea that that God might have wanted to
liberate them. So, yeah, it's a, it's a fact of history. Yep. Here, uh,
I found an article online, it says, there are 1,189
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chapters in a standard Protestant Bible.
The slave Bible only contains 232, so they took
A huge percentage of that. 90% of the Old Testament
is missing, 50% of the New Testament. Yeah, well, the
book of Exodus is missing because of the exodus, because
they were in slavery and they were delivered from slavery.
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So it's like, oh, we don't want them to know
about that. Yeah, yeah, and the bishop of London at
the time that kind of supported it, so yeah.
What do you think, Anthony?
Uh, yeah, I just, you know, like I said, I
just didn't know how to witness to him, um, uh,
back with that, uh, with a godly biblical response, uh,
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like I said, he seemed a little agitated when he
brought that up and, you know, so I was just like, well, is,
is it he, uh, I don't wanna discredit his claim
obviously claims to be a believer and what have you.
I just, you know, I just.
Trying to find the right words to witness. Yeah, and Anthony,
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the best, the best thing we could do as Christians
is own these kinds of things and not try to
deny them, not, you know, pretend like they didn't happen,
but just say, yeah, that did happen and that was
absolutely wrong and it was, you know, horrific and it
was the farthest thing from what
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We would be able to embrace as Christians according to
what the Bible actually says. So I think, you know,
a a friend of mine wrote a great book called
Bullies and Saints. His name is John Dixon, and it's a,
it's a church history book, but he in the book,
he basically is looking at both the good and the
bad in Christian and in church history, you know, there's
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some wonderful things that Christians have done and there's deplorable
things that Christians have done, and I think, uh, you know,
his philosophy is we need to just get all the
cards on the table.
And, I mean, you know, we don't necessarily have to
repent today of what people did hundreds of years ago,
but if we're doing anything similar, we need to repent today, so.
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Yeah, yep. Any other thoughts, shared? No, that's clear. All right, Anthony,
thank you for your phone call today here on Pastor's Perspective.
888-564-6173 is our number. We're gonna be here until 4
o'clock with Pastors Brian Broderson and our guest Sheridan McDaniel, 888-564-6173.
By the way, this Sunday, we Kwave.
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We are going to be Sheridan's guests at, uh, one
of his churches, a place for worship in Anaheim. Look
forward to it. That's gonna be so cool. I won't
be there unfortunately. I'll be here working, but, um, 9:30
in the morning. That's when your service is there in
uh Anaheim. Yeah, so check that out, you guys. You
can get more details about the church, including directions and
more information. What's the website?
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It is a place for worship.org. Hey, that's nice and simple. So, Sheridan, what, um,
what should we expect on Sunday morning? What are you,
what are you preaching these days? So with K wave coming, I'm.
I've been in a series called Knowing God and so
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you know I'm, I'm debating, do I, you know, continue
my series or do I, um, speak on something that
that is more around fellowship, you know, with, with our
K Wave family coming, so kind of, you know, trying
to decide, trying to decide, yes sir.
Yeah, well, let's Calvary guys, we kind of just stick
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with the reason, you know, whatever it is. Oh, it's
Mother's Day this Sunday. I forgot. I'm in, uh, I'm
in Leviticus 13. Yes, yes, which is interesting that you
bring that up though because there's been a lot of
talk lately about how come certain things weren't preached about
a few weeks ago and it's just like, well, Calvary Chapel.
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Never necessarily breaks format. The funniest thing to me is
sitting at a Calvary Chapel when something goes on in
the world, right? And then the next Sunday at church,
the pastor's still going through the Book of Acts or
the book of Exodus, whatever, and it just so happens
that there's something there in chapter 17 that
Correlates to what's going on and then the pastor will
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mention something about it. It's just like, wow, was this planned?
How did you part of the flow of this and,
and I mean, I, I think it, I think we
have a responsibility, you know, we can't just have our
head in the sand and ignore everything that's going on,
but I think we have to be selective too, and
I think nowadays, you know.
Have you noticed this, Sheridan, like every Sunday is some Sunday. Oh,
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today's Grandparents Sunday, or, you know, this is, uh, you know,
great grandparents great great grandparents that you're supposed to acknowledge
or celebrate or
reject or I'm just like forget it, you know, I'm
gonna stick with the main stuff, right? We, we, we
have to hear from God. We didn't know it. I,
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I saw something that said if you didn't talk about
Charlie Kirk.
You should leave that, you know, and someone responded, If
you didn't talk about Jesus, you should leave. Well, that's
what we're doing. We're talking about Jesus. That's what our
job is. Exactly. All right, back to the phones. Here
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is Chris in Upland. Welcome to Pastor's Perspective, Chris. Thanks
for listening to us on FM 107.9. What's up?
Hey, guys, thanks for taking the call. Um, of the
five points of Calvinism, are there any that you would refute, um, using, uh,
biblical text, or would you, uh, say they're aligned, uh,
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and biblically sound? And why do you ask, Chris?
Uh, it appeals to me, to be honest.
Why? Why does it appeal to you?
I, I think it makes sense. It, uh, it's pragmatic
to me. OK.
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Sheridan
Well, I, I remember Tulip from my Bible days total.
Depravity, unconditional election, limited atonement, irresistible grace, perseverance of the saints,
and
In my study of it and you know, during Bible college,
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I had no problem, you know, with any of those. I,
I can find a biblical.
Scripture, biblical base, you know, for each of those, and again,
I'm
I'm not one that goes to the extreme in any tulip,
you know, I just like to stay balanced if, as
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long as I could find biblical basis for, you know,
what is speaking, I'm, I'm good, but I'm not one
to go to, you know, yeah.
Right, yeah.
Um, yeah, so Chris, I would say this is my,
my take on tulip, um.
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Uh, total depravity.
Yes and no. Um, the, the yes, of course, as
the Bible does teach that we, you know, we are incapable,
incapable of saving ourselves. Um, sometimes though, the reformed or
Calvinist view of, of total depravity goes beyond that, I think, and, um,
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to some extent there is the the idea that
Um, you know, you, you actually can't even believe that's you,
you don't even have the capacity to believe you're, you're
so totally depraved, which I think, um, and that'll come
up in a, in a, in some of the other
ones too, but then unconditional election.
Uh, means that you're elected, whether you.
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It has nothing to do with anything other than God
and His sovereignty just decided I'm going to elect these people,
and I'm not gonna elect these people. So it's not
based on a condition. So it's not, it's not based
on faith, it's not based on belief even. Um, and then,
of course, the, the limited atonement is the one that
most people um who aren't just really, you know, committed
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deeply to reformed or Calvinistic theology.
Uh, this is the one that they look at and say, wait,
that doesn't quite sound right, that Jesus died only for
the elect. He did not, his, his atonement was not for, uh,
all people, for God so loved the world that he
gave his only begotten Son, uh, the world there doesn't
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mean like everybody in the world, it just means like
the world of the elect.
And so that's where most people, um, have a problem.
You know, some people say I'm a 4 point colonist,
which means that I just, I, I disagree with limited atonement.
But if you understand Tulip, it's, it's really a system,
each part is connected to the, the previous part. So you,
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you can't really fully embrace uh the first two points
and then not embrace the third point.
And then that brings us to irresistible grace, which I
think a big problem with irresistible grace is that the,
you know, even I, I think of Stephen in his, uh,
he's preaching to the, the Sanhedrin, and he says to them,
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he says, you do always resist the Holy Spirit. So,
I mean, it sounds like you can resist, um, the spirit.
So anyway, and then, of course, if you're
If you're unconditionally elected and you're, you've been atoned for
and you've been, you know, brought irresistibly, you know, you
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can't fight against it, and then the last point is
that you're um going to persevere.
So you're, you're gonna in the end be saved. Now,
if in the end you turn up not being saved,
then it just, then you go all the way back
and say, OK, well, I wasn't unconditionally elected in the
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first place. So, it's a funny thing where on one level,
it seems to give you assurance, but on the other
level it doesn't give you assurance because you have to
persevere to the end.
Is there a good book that maybe you could recommend
to Chris and anybody else? Maybe something that weighs both
sides equally, or? Um, yeah, probably, um, and, and I
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wanna say, you know, publicly, I've said this before, we
haven't had this conversation in a long time. Um, I'm,
I'm very thankful for many people who hold to, uh,
Calvinistic or reformed view, uh, their commitment to the gospel and,
and all of that. I'm
I, I appreciate that. I've learned so much from so
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many in that world over the years, but I've, I've
never agreed with this.
Theology in, in the finer points of it. So, I,
I think probably the, the easiest book to get on
it is, is Chosen but Free by Norman Geisler. Um,
I think that one probably is, would be a, a
good
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A good read.
Yeah, I mean, there's there's other stuff, but I think
that would probably be.
Chris, what do you think?
Chosen but free. I am going to uh look into that,
and I do appreciate it. It's been good dialogue and, uh,
a thoughtful response. So thank you so much. All right, Chris,
thanks for calling. Did you have anything else to add? No,
I'm good. All right, Chris, thank you so much for
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your phone call today here on Pastor's Perspective. Well, we
haven't even, you know, tulip. I forgot that there was
a tulip. It's been so long since I've answered a
question on it.
I mean, that goes, like I said way back when
I was at Grace Bible College. Does the other side
have a flower to, uh, you know, like rose, and
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then there's like an, it's an acronym and maybe somebody
will come up with one carnation. There you go, Carnation chrysanthemum. No,
all right. uh, Fay, what is your question for us today?
I think it's more of a comment. Go ahead, Fay,
thanks for calling in today.
Thank you for taking my call today. I wanted to
call in first of all to say thank you to
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Pastor Brian.
My grandfather told me to never neglect to give thanks
to God and to those who helped you along the way,
and 7 years ago, Pastor Brian, I was considering suicide.
Oh my. because of some, because spiritually I was being
attacked by Satan and he was using a family member
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to attack me and it was a very weak moment
and I called in to pass uh perspective.
To ask, um, it was a last ditch effort and
I got right in just like I did today and
I know God works in mysterious ways. His wonders to perform.
I know that, and
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I was planning on my way home from work that
day to let that be my final day of suffering.
Because I didn't know how to get through that situation
and still deal with this relative who was very close
to me and my family. And Pastor Brian, you told
me that.
Forgiving this person didn't mean that I had to deal
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with that person that I could walk away and not
feel guilty about it, but pray for that person, but
I didn't have to feel obligated to stay with my
abuser or just around with my abuser in, in so
many words you were much gentler in your in your
of that, but I, I've been to Calvary Chapel, Costa
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Mesa several times to thank you and I'm just never
had the opportunity.
Afterwards, after the service, to thank you. Well, today God
pressured my heart to say that today, and he made
an opportunity, and I want to just thank you for that. Well, Faith,
thank you for reaching out and I'm, I am so
glad that we're having this conversation and that the Lord
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brought you through that and what a, what a blessing.
He did. He did and he used you and I
want to also thank you for your unbiased and Christ driven.
Responses to the Charlie Kirk situation. I know that you're
going to catch a lot of slack for that, and
I pray for your strength, and I pray for all
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of you there at Pastor's perspective because if you help me,
I know you're helping hundreds and hundreds of others who
might not have the opportunity to say thank you. Thank you.
That's very, very, very kind of you to call in
Fay and um.
Yeah, it's amazing that she said that she got right
in 7 years ago when she called in. I remember
I was reminded of this just last week, I think,
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of a phone call that we got about, it was March.
It was March of this year.
And I accidentally clicked the wrong button and I went
to that call instead and I was just like, wait
a minute, I, OK, well, let's just put it on
and turned out to be someone in San Diego. I
don't think you were here that day. I think it
was one of Bobby Conway and one of our biola
guys was here and um she was like, you know what,
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I'm at the end of my rope. Give me a
reason why I shouldn't kill myself. And so we were
able to minister her to her for the next 20
minutes and it's just like, but I, I pushed the
wrong button. I wasn't even supposed to talk to her. Well,
you know, I love that.
Yep, indeed. All right, 888-564-6173, call in, we'll be right back.
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Welcome back to Pastor's Perspective. 888-564-6173 is the number to call.
Brian Perez here along with Brian Broderson and Sheridan McDaniels.
Pastor Sheridan pastors two churches. One of them is called
A Place for Worship. It's in Anaheim and K Wave
is going to be visiting a place.
For worship in Anaheim this coming Sunday morning at 9:30.
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So come on out as we support Pastor Sheridan and
his radio program called Worship That Walks, and you can
hear that here on Kwave Saturday mornings at 10. You
still enjoy doing that program, Sheridan? Love it love it
love it. That's so cool. Yeah, we love hearing you
that walks OK today, because I was looking over the schedule.
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Colin asked me to, you know, look over the schedule.
We're working on making a few adjustments and
I keep seeing worship that walks. I'm like a worship
that walks. I wonder what program that is. It's you.
It's me. Now I know 10. That's awesome. I love it. Yes.
Oh man, you got a sweatshirt. We love you. That's
so good.
He went all out, made, uh, got sweatshirts done and even, um,
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what do you call them, baby onesies, or did you
only make one of those? Just one? Yeah, I wonder why.
One onesie. Yes, one onesie. Very cool. All right, 888-564-6173
is our number. And now let's talk to Josh in
San Diego who is listening on the Kwave app. Thank you, Josh,
for downloading the app and for calling in today. What's up?
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Good afternoon, uh, gentlemen. I've been having some conversations with
some of, uh, my non-believing, highly skeptical friends lately. Good
for you. Thank you very much. I appreciate that. Uh,
I used to be one of those, so now I,
that's great chatting, so.
When I will make a reference to Romans or Ephesians
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or Galatians or any of those, they will oftentimes dismiss
those out of hand because they say, well, that, that
didn't come from Christ. And if Christ cornerstone and bedrock
of Christianity, what did God need Paul for? And then furthermore,
if Paul claims divine inspiration, I'm thinking specifically of like a.
when he talks about the mystery revealed. If Paul claims
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divine inspiration for these things, why should we believe him
more so than we believe somebody like Joseph Smith, who
claimed divine inspiration for all of his works. So, that is,
that is the question I have for you guys and
how to politely come back continue politely, the dialogue with
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these folks.
Right.
Well, I, I think, you know,
It seems like we answered this question yesterday. Did you
send this in Josh originally on a on a like
a Facebook thing or something?
I did not. Yeah, the one from yesterday was about Moses. Yeah, OK, yeah,
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but it's, it's interesting because two days in a row
we've had this kind of comparison. It was between Moses
and Joseph Smith. Now it's Paula Joseph Smith and, uh,
so interesting. Um, well, I, you know, one thing I
would just say right off the top is look.
Everybody knows that the, the Book of Mormon is full of, um,
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you know, historical, geographical inaccuracies and things like that. So it's,
there's not, it's not even
Um, legitimate when it comes to even talking about, you know,
just some of the basic things that we can do
the research on, um, you know, all the claims about, uh,
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the some of the Israelites migrating to North America and,
you know, setting up these civilizations in North and South
America and so forth, and of course, there, there's no,
nothing like that has ever happened. So,
So on one level you have Joseph Smith and and
these Mormon documents that are uh clearly uh historically and
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geographically inaccurate. On the other hand, you have the Bible,
which of course goes back to the New Testament period
2000 years ago, and there's more evidence for the stuff
they talk about in the Bible than you can ever.
Uh, get your head around in a lifetime. So, I
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would say just on that level, that is um one
thing that I would say, but of course,
Uh, again, and, and I, it's kind of a funny comparison,
Joseph Smith and Paul the Apostle. I mean, Paul is
a person who met Jesus. Paul was commissioned by Jesus.
Paul was sent by Jesus. Uh, Joseph Smith had no
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such thing, and of course, he came 1800 years after
the fact, too, so.
I don't know. I'm just going off the top of
my head here. It just seems to me like a
kind of a ridiculous, not that you're asking a ridiculous question, Josh,
but that anybody that would say, well, you know, between
Paul or Moses and Joseph Smith, it's like, what?
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Any thoughts? Sure, um, yeah, Joseph Smith and the Book
of Mormons.
I have never read or seen, maybe I missed it,
about the book of Mormons being God breathed or God
inspired to where the Bible is God breathing, God inspired,
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you know, according to 2 Timothy 3:16 and 17. And
so it's God who is using Paul. It's not Paul
coming up with his own thoughts or
You know, his own opinions, you know, for those of
us who believe in the, in the Bible, we believe
God is speaking through him and giving us the word
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of the Lord versus Joseph Smith, who, who just claims
he had visions, um, from, you know, God, visions from Jesus, um,
but nothing.
Inspired by God in in the Book of Mormons, it's
more inspired by a man.
So I, I was just trying to remember, um, this great, great, uh,
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film that was put out a few years ago. It's
called the Bible versus the Book of Mormon. And, um,
the irony is that there are Mormon guys who made this, um,
and so they go through it maybe just find it
on YouTube or something, Josh, uh, it's, it's probably there
for sure, somewhere on the internet, but it just goes
through and shows, uh, goes back and looks at, uh,
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Uh, all of the references in scripture to ancient places
and so forth, and then they're they're on location and
they're like, OK, we're in Capernaum now and, you know,
here's what Capernaum looks like, or, you know, we're in, um,
this part of Jerusalem and, you know, just like what
the Bible says, this is what it looks like. And
then they're in North America, like, you know, we can't
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find a trace of any of this here. They go
down to South America and like, you know, hey, there's
nothing down here that would indicate there was ever any
kind of civilization.
And, and so it, it's, it's a great, uh, tool,
I think if people are asking you that specific question
about Joseph Smith, this is a great tool, and you'll
get some really good, uh, information to come back to
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them with on that. Is this the movie I found
it on Amazon? It's available on DVD. That's it. The
Bible versus the Book of Mormon. Yeah, but who has
DVDs these days? I mean, I don't even have a
DVD player. I do. You do.
Of course I do. And I know somebody who has
a VCR and he still uses it. OK, well, maybe
you can get it in VHS. I'm sure, I'm sure
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my friend has that, yes.
Does that help at all, Josh?
I, yeah, I, I think it does, and, and I,
I do hold with all of the views, and I
have studied the Book of Mormon in comparison to, to
the Bible and do understand that it is absolutely, you know,
kind of full to say it's full of holes is,
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I think understatement, um, and his, of course the historical
records don't back any, any of that up and but
I guess I'm also wondering like.
There's a lot of people out there who want to
say that Pauline theology.
If it did not come directly from Christ, doesn't hold
the same weight that Christ's teachings did. And if Paul,
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if what is Paul, if what Paul said is that important,
why didn't Christ convey that while he was here on earth?
Well, Paul wasn't converted when Jesus was on earth for one.
But I think I would go to, I would go to, um,
2 Peter, you know, where Peter refers to Paul's writings
as scripture. So scripture is the question, you know, what,
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what is scripture? So, of course, Jesus didn't write any
of the Bible. Um, so what are we gonna do?
Just say, well, then whatever Jesus didn't write, then we're
not gonna believe it. Well, then we're not gonna be
able to believe anything because he didn't write anything.
Uh, his mission wasn't to write things down, but he
did tell his.
Followers that they would be the ones, the Holy Spirit
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would come, he would bring all things to their remembrance
that he had said to them. And then, of course,
they were the ones who penned the scripture. So, but
scripture is the key. That's the term that speaks of
the holy writings, the writings that, you know, Jesus understood
to be inspired by God, and Peter says Paul's writings
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are scripture.
Any thoughts, Sheldon? Yeah, and again, for me, I'm just
gonna go right back to the Bible as being God breathed.
Through Paul, through Peter, through John, you know, um, and
like you said, scripture is what's important. And if God's
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word is scripture, whoever it came through is coming by
way of God and not that. Yeah, and, and I
I just think of like when Jesus says, you know,
scripture cannot be broken. John chapter 10.
So Jesus is talking about this body of writings, these
holy writings. So when Peter says that Paul writes scripture,
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he's talking about the same thing Jesus was talking about
when Jesus said that, you know, scripture can't be broken.
Very good. 888-564-6173 is our number and now we're going
to go to Lydia in La Habra. Hi there, Lydia.
Thanks for calling 888-564-6173.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Thank you so much for taking my call, pastors. You know, I,
I don't, I guess we're all, you know, in different
stages of our lives. I was 18. I had my
one way Catholic Bible. We were always taught to have
respect and reverence for God. That's one thing I have
treasured all my life, that we, that God was God Almighty.
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And when I knelt on my knees and I repented
and asked God for forgiveness, I truly experienced being born again.
I said, God reveal yourself to me. What I hear
is it true?
And when it was John 3:16 for God so loved
the world, I always closed my eyes. I literally saw
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Jesus dying on the cross for me, not just for
the world, but for me personally.
And that just overwhelmed me to think that God Almighty
would do that, and that is what he does to
every true repentant believer, you know, we could argue about
this says this human being is saying this, and when
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it all amounts to we are too low to our
savior in His holy word.
The grass withers and the flower faith, but the word
of God will stand forever. Jesus came to fulfill the law,
not to abolish the to the law. What did he say?
Go and proclaim the gospel and make disciples of of
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human beings. Go to the laws.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
So what's your question for us, Lydia?
Speaker 2 (42:46):
I say, why, you know, what I don't understand is
I didn't know who this Charlie Kirk was, but when
I heard that he was assassinated, I don't have internet
or any of that fancy things. I prayed for his
wife and his children. But then it was like people
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started idolizing him, and the Lord says, thou shalt not
have no idols before me.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
In what way were they idolizing him, Lydia?
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Well, all, all I hear is uh Charlie Crook this
and Charlie Crook that, but I never saw him proclaiming
the gospel. He was just there, you know, having his
own viewpoints.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Well, I think there are and I know you just
said that you don't have internet and all that other stuff,
but there are plenty of videos, plenty of articles that
you can find out online where he is proclaiming the gospel, so.
Um, yeah, I, we can't play any of them right
now on the radio program cause we're not set up
for that, but, um, but yeah, should we be idolizing people,
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should we be
I mean, of course not, but if, if it's somebody
who is a believer, I mean, are we taking things
too far by
Well, I mean, you know, maybe some people are, but
I don't, I wouldn't say generally that that is happening.
I think people are responding to, uh, you know, a,
a horrific situation. I mean, I can't, you know, even
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last night, because unfortunately I saw the, you know, the
clip from, from the moment Charlie was shot and, and that,
you know, that replays in my mind and when I
think about it.
I just, I'm sad, you know, I'm just saddened to
think that this young, you know, 31 year old guy
with a beautiful wife and kids is, you know, dead.
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And um and so I think I, I think in
the moment, I mean, we're only like just a little
more than a week or so, was it a week
or 2 weeks? 2 weeks, 2 weeks, yeah, 2 weeks
out from that. So there's still a lot of shock in,
in the, you know, in with people and then of
course there was the big um memorial service for him
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and so I, I think it's.
Uh, you know, uh, there, like I said, there might
be some people that are doing that. I don't, I
don't think that that is what the majority of people
are doing. I think they're just honoring a person who was, um,
Uh, you know, trying to do good things for people
in the country and, uh, the gospel, and he was
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tragically murdered, and I think they're just showing respect for him, yeah, and, um,
I don't know even.
My son, who would listen to him, he showed me
clips of him, you know, just teaching the word, answering
questions about the word, which, you know, a lot of
the answers were solid. Um, I believe anytime something tragic
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like this happens to a person in the media gets
in it, it's, it talked about we're in a world
of Instagram, Facebook, and we're gonna see a lot of
TikTok and and what have you. You're gonna see it
and hear a lot.
Um, it dies down after a while, so it may
be some more than I, I think idolizing some just
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believed in his views and, uh, and you know, um,
I'm not sure of the idolizing part, but that happens.
It happens with athletes. It happens with performers. It happens
with a lot of celebrities, the whole.
in peace, but, you know, uh, I would just say,
you know, we stay focused on, on Christ and, um,
live in his character and, yeah, and I, you know, I, I,
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I think we could safely say that, you know, Charlie
wouldn't be encouraging people to idolize him. He would be
wanting people to look to the Lord. So, yeah.
Uh, Lydia, thank you for calling in today on Pastor's Perspective.
As you were speaking, Lydia, I'm listening to your voice
and thinking, hasn't, didn't she call in recently, but then
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I remembered, uh, she left us a voicemail, expressing these
opinions and everything. And unfortunately, like she told us right
now on the phone, she does not have internet or
anything like that, but we did find at least one article, uh,
that we would have sent you if you had email
and it's on premiereCristianity.com.
If maybe you can somehow, if you know someone who
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has internet or something, you can go to premiereChristianity.com, and
there's an article there written by Billy Halliwell called Charlie
Kirk's True Legacy Isn't His Politics, it's his Christian faith.
So really good article that you might want to read
there at premiereChristianity.com.
OK, here's a question that was sent in online on
the Kwave.com pastor's perspective page. It's from Scott in San Bernardino.
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I had a question about Martin Luther. I believe he
was a key figure in the start of the Reformation.
I believe he was a believer in Jesus, so my
question is, will we see him in heaven? And the
reason for the question is because of his hatred towards
the Jews.
The papers he wrote in his later years shows his
anti-Semitism towards the Jews even to the point of death.
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I believe he is in heaven because he loves the
Lord and gave his life to him. I know we
will still struggle with sin till Jesus calls us home,
but what is your perspective on Martin Luther? What would
you say, Sheridan? I respect Martin Luther, um, especially his
writings and Protestant movement and, um,
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You know, his, his belief and.
You know, how he communicated his belief. I, I've always respected.
Martin has always been an inspiration to me, um.
I believe if Martin Luther, as you said, is saved,
we will see him in heaven. Um, we all have faults,
we all have struggles that we'll battle with until, you know,
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the Lord comes or we're gone. So, yeah, if our
salvation is based on this, the grace and mercy of
Jesus and not my.
Not my actions, so if I believe, I, you know,
I will get there and I'll, I'll see Martin Luther
again who definitely, definitely inspired me.
What would you say, Brian?
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Yeah, I think this is, um, you know, Luther is
a good reminder that we, um,
You know, somebody put it this way, you know, all.
All of our
Leaders and heroes, uh, have this one thing in common.
Everyone has feet of clay. And so, um, Martin Luther,
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you know, God used him in an extraordinary way to
bring back into the forefront that salvation is God's gift
through faith. Um, but then, you know, Luther had his
own human kinds of issues that, um, you know, he
was a person who
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He was very passionate and he saw things a certain
way and he just couldn't, it was difficult for him
to um hang with anybody who didn't see, see it
the way he saw it even even people who generally
agreed with him like other reformers at the time, you know,
like uh Ulrich Zlingly and
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Uh, people like that, he just, you know, he didn't
have any time for them. If they didn't see a
thing just exactly the way he saw it, then he,
he kind of wrote them off. And then, of course, the,
the tragic chapter, of course, was his um turning against
the Jews. So with with Luther, Luther originally.
Here's, here's a little known fact. Some Jewish people thought
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Luther might be the Messiah. that's as crazy as that sounds.
They thought he might be the Messiah, because when he
came onto the scene, he was very, uh, amicable toward
Jews when the, of course, the Roman Church had not
been at all. And so it seemed like um there
was some uh a hopeful situation. Luther thought the problem
with Jewish unbelief was Catholicism had so misrepresented.
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Christ, that of course they weren't gonna believe in that Jesus,
but now that they got the real Jesus that I'm
telling them about, it's all gonna be good. But they didn't,
they didn't, uh, embrace his Jesus and he turned against
him and yeah, the, the stuff he wrote, and you know,
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this is every people know this, uh, some of the
stuff he wrote, Hitler would use later, uh, to justify
some of the things he was doing, which is
Horrific. So, um, I think with Luther you have to
recognize that he was uh a man uh who was
a sinner and he would have been the first to
admit that, and he had some, you know, serious blind
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spots and so I've, I've done lectures on, on Lutheran
classes and stuff and I.
Uh, I don't even say what I was gonna say. Never,
never mind. I, I did compare him with a current
personality that some people might be able to guess the
similarities between, but, but I'll leave that for people to guess.
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We don't need more controversy. No, no, no.
All right, thank you. Uh, who was that, Scott. Thank
you for sending in your question through the Kwave.com pastor's
perspective page. And I think we have time for one
more phone call. Here is Jackie in Riverside. Hi there, Jackie,
thanks for calling in today.
Hi, thank you for taking my call. Yeah, so my
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question was, I, I just
Wondering when people pass away, they say, you know, well,
they're in a better place, they're in heaven now, but
other people say that they're asleep. So my question is,
are they asleep or are they in heaven? Sheridan, what
do you say?
To be absent from the body is to be present
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with the Lord. Uh, that's what the scripture tells us,
so when we pass as believers, we're gonna be present
with the Lord.
And the word present, um, you know, it means present.
It means that I'm I'm with the Lord. Uh, I
know a lot of time when uh the scripture refers
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to sleep, um, it just refers to it.
As resting and so yeah I'm resting in the Lord,
not that I'm sleeping and, you know, like we see
sleep and I'm out of it. Yeah. Well, that's, that's cool. See,
I didn't know that and you know how it says,
you know, in the rapture, and he's gonna, he's gonna
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raise the dead and is that because he's just gonna
raise their body, but their spirit's been with him.
Yes.
OK. And Brian hit it, hit it.
Yes, yes, the, the body, the resurrection is always refers
to the body. So the spirit.
Uh, you know, when a person, a believer dies today,
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the spirit goes to be with the Lord, the body
goes into the grave, and then at the resurrection, the
body is, is raised up and glorified and
And reunited um with the spirit.
Does that help you, Jackie? Yes, the answer is super clear,
and I understand it, and thank you so much. All right,
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thank you for calling us today here on Pastor's Perspective,
and we've just about run out of time on today's program.
We have that happens and we haven't even mentioned Back
to Basics Live on Sunday night at 30. Well, I
kind of mentioned you kind of mentioned it, but yeah,
but 6:30 this Sunday night. Book of Acts chapter 19,
the establishing of the church in Ephesus and the riot
(54:23):
that ensued. So we're gonna have a great time. That's
in person.
In person, yeah, 6:30 p.m. Sunday evening in the fellowship hall.
Come on out at Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa. Come on out. You,
I'm talking to you. It's not just the radio audience.
I'm talking I got that. Don't, don't, don't put that
pressure on him. He's gonna preach at two different churches on.
(54:43):
That's true. That's true. That's true, right.
Now I'm the bad guy. Bastards got stick up. Yes, yes,
they do. All right, guys, we are out of time.
We're going to archive today's episode on Facebook, YouTube, Apple Podcasts,
and Spotify if you missed any of it. We just
want to hear it again. And if you've got a
question for us or if you tried calling in today
and couldn't get through, we will be back tomorrow between
(55:06):
3 and 4 in the afternoon. Will Cheryl be joining
you tomorrow, Brian? Well, oh, you know what?
I don't think so. You know who's gonna join us
is Doctor Liu Wing. Oh really? Yes, who hasn't been
with us forever, a long time, but yeah, who just
wrote a new book and so we're gonna talk about it. Oh,
very cool. OK, so Lou Wing will be here. Doctor
Liu Wang. So will we be taking questions like medical questions.
(55:31):
I have a toothache. What can I do about it? Yeah, no, I,
I don't know. We'll, we'll probably.
Take the first half hour to talk about the book
and you know, what the book is about. And then
we'll see. All right, very good. So tune in tomorrow
for our conversation with Doctor Liu Wang. For Pastor Brian
Broderson and Pastor Sheridan McDaniel, I'm Brian Perez. Sheridan, once again,
great seeing you today, sir, and we'll see you this, uh,
(55:53):
Sunday morning at 9:30 at a place for worship in Fullerton.
God bless you guys.
Anaheim, not Fullerton, right? OK.
OK, here we are. Welcome to Pastor's Perspective. I'm your host,
Brian Perez, and we are here live on this Thursday,
the 25th of September. Give us a call. We're gonna
be here until 4 o'clock to answer the questions you
have about the Bible, the Christian faith, just about anything
going on. 888-564-6173 is the number to call. Sheridan McDaniel
(00:42):
is here once again. He's the pastor of two, count
them two churches.
And they are called A Place for worship. That's in Anaheim,
Saint Mark's Baptist Church, that is in Long Beach. Sheridan,
good to see you here again, sir. Good to see you,
Brian and Brian. Second time in a week, that is
so cool. Brian Broderson is here as well from Echoes
of Mercy.com. He also teaches on Saturday, uh, Sunday nights
(01:06):
at Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa, and, uh, you also hear
him here during the week on the Back to Basics
radio program. Pastor Brian, the rapture didn't happen yesterday.
Well, either that or we missed it did and we
missed it.
(01:28):
Well, you know, we sort of thought that that was
probably going to be the
You know, but that it was not gonna, that was
gonna be the the end result of all of the
Predicting and so forth, you know, yeah, yeah, so not surprised.
(01:48):
Well, to know I didn't get left.
We did not. But yeah, now all those people that
were predicting that it was gonna be yesterday, it's like,
now what are they saying? I wonder. I mean, you know,
gonna have to stop their YouTube channel and everything else.
I don't know, change the date, yeah, or change the date, yeah. Oh,
did I say 2025? I meant 2026. It'll be next year. Yeah, it,
(02:12):
it is, it is amazing the um.
I don't know if resilience is the best word to use,
but the, the way these people will just kind of
regroup and come back with a
You know, another attempt and you think, well, you know,
you probably ought to just leave that and move on
to something else. Yeah, there was, there was a book
(02:35):
years ago and I, I think, I think the original
one was um.
Was that 88 reasons why the rapture is going to
take place in 1988, yeah, and then of course, you know, uh,
but then they, they kept going, you know, '89 came around.
They had a new an addition to it, you know,
they tried it for a few years and they're gonna
(02:55):
get it right.
Get it right sometime, yeah. Here's what AI said about
that book, 88 Reasons.
Um, the book became a massive bestseller, but the predicted
events did not occur. Yeah, we know that. Thank you. Yeah,
and his name, Edgar Cenot, I remember, um.
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Why people were making a wise crack like a, you know,
a wise nut.
But, but you see that he was a NASA engineer.
I mean, you know.
It just shows you you don't want to be too smart.
You come up with dumb ideas. That's it.
We're OK.
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All right, you guys, give us a call. I'm OK.
I'm not gonna speak for you, Sheridan. I'm I'm with you, Brian.
You're OK. I'm OK. OK. All right. 888-564-6173 is the
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that offer. If, if even singing telegrams are still a thing,
I don't know. But anyway, here's a question that was
sent in online, which, like I said, is another way
to get your question to us, and it is from.
Um, Paul, who is in Waikoloa, Hawaii. Really? Nice. OK.
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Listens on the Kwave app. Thank you, Paul, for downloading
the app. And uh it's just follow up about our
recent conversation about uh Charlie Kirk and uh Paul writes, uh,
recently it was said that Charlie Kirk was polarizing, but
that that can be said about anyone who takes a
stand for any particular belief, says Paul.
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He never returned cuss words and false accusations, and regarding
the comments about Simone Biles, she had made rude, mean,
pro-transgender remarks about a Christian woman athlete that is standing
up to that offensive agenda.
And he was merely defending the Christian woman who doesn't
want men in women's sports and their locker rooms. as
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best as I can see, he was adamant, but not
crossing any lines, so to speak. I believe we need
to be compassionate, yet can also be supportive of the
quote unquote John the Baptists among us. Any thoughts on that, guys?
Well, since I'm the one who made those comments and
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Uh, maybe there was more.
Conversation uh regarding Simone Biles then I'm aware of, but, uh,
the conversation I'm talking about or the comments that I'm
talking about had nothing to do with transgender or anything.
This was during the Olympics and it was her dropping
out of the Olympics because of her, you know, she
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didn't feel like she could, uh, compete, uh, up to
her full potential because she, you know, she was weak
or sick or something.
And that's where he, you know, really came down on
her and, you know, so disappointing to everybody because we
needed to beat Russia and she was supposed to be
the one to do that and so it had nothing
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to do with transgender. So if he had a different
beef with her over that, that's fine, but, you know, look,
people are gonna, um,
I saw, I don't know if you saw this Sheridan,
because you, you haven't paid too much attention to it,
I don't think, but do you know who Van Jones is,
you know, he's a, yeah, CNC, CNN commentator, and, uh,
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and him and Charlie Kirk butted heads all the time,
you know, and, uh.
But the day before Kirk was murdered, he sent a
message to Van Jones because they had been in a,
in a beef about something.
And he said, hey, I want you to come on
my program and I want you to, uh, you know,
I'll treat you like a gentleman, just like you would
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treat me and let's just talk about our differences and
let's agree to disagree agreeably. That was the end of
his thing. And the crazy thing was Van Jones didn't
even get this until after Charlie had died, so it,
so it really touched him, you know, and he went
on CNN, he talked about it and everything, and you
know it was pretty emotional.
With it, but the, but the key is, uh, Charlie
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said it, let's agree to disagree agreeably. So not everybody's
gonna feel the same way about Charlie Kirk. And so,
Um, let's agree to disagree agreeably. So I, I personally think,
I'm not questioning the fact whether he was a Christian
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or not, or any of that. I'm just, uh, in
my experiences with him, I, I saw him speaking to
people and saying things that I
I would not
Say really represented the heart and the tone of Jesus. Now,
was that all the time? Uh, no, apparently not, because,
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you know, he did a lot of good and said
a lot of good. But anyway, that, but that was
my experience. So, yeah, and I, I didn't, I was
unaware of the conversation, but I remember Sim Simone Biles
situation and
Even just watching media in general and how a lot
of them just came negative you know um but
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It's something we have to be ready for in life.
It's gonna happen. Um, I like the scripture that talks
about our conversations being season.
You know, with, with salt and, and always speaking with
grace and uh that's as believers that should be our approach, yeah.
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All right, very good, Paul. Thank you for sending in
your question on Kwave.com, and I will go to the
phones 888-564-6173 is our number. We will start with Anthony
in Ontario who's listening on FM 107.9. Hey there, Anthony,
what's going on? Hey, hey, good afternoon, gentlemen. I appreciate
you guys taking my phone call. I won't try to
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take up too much of your time, but I guess
this one would be directed more towards, uh, Sheridan.
And so yesterday we had a quick conversation because I
was on my break and I'm basically gonna finish it
up so I had to get off the company clock
and I made a comment about Charlie Kirk and then
my fellow co-worker is uh black African American.
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And so he goes, well, I didn't his comment, his
response was that, well, I didn't really agree with all
of what Charlie Kirk said, you know, I didn't. I
asked him what and he goes, Well, he didn't want,
he didn't wanna really elaborate. So this is a question, uh, shared.
So he then he then started talking about, uh, that
the Europeans had given the slaves.
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Uh, if I, I don't remember word for word what
he said, but something to the effect of he didn't,
they didn't give him like the I guess uh edited
version or altered version or told them either they gotta
worship this or kind of worship that, and he seemed
to like get a little bit uh a little bit agitated.
You know when he was talking to me about that
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and I was just surprised so I was just wondering
how uh I wasn't able to do any uh research
into it so I just wonder what your biblical perspective
response would be towards him and what I just told you.
So, uh, he just let me clarify, he was asking
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or sharing with you that the African slaves were given
an altered Bible.
Or to something to that effect, yes, he was saying
that that the Europeans gave them or he either mentioned
something effect of, you know, they were told to, to
worship like this or like that or just something like
that and it it totally caught me off guard.
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So I didn't, uh, I therefore led off astray, you know, I,
I let him talk for a few minutes like I said, I,
we had in our conversation. So then I just got
back to the point of, well, do you think it's
possible that the enemy tries to use race to divide, uh, uh, uh,
people from different, you know, different creations, you know, why
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and whatever, so yeah. Yeah, and, and to that point, uh,
of course I know the enemy will use race, he'll use.
Culture, he'll use whatever he can to divide that's his assignment, um,
to do that as far as the altered Bibles, as
you say, that's something I would even have to research
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and look more into. What I do know is that
When people even to this day will use the Bible
to get their point across, their viewpoint, uh, their perspective,
what they believe, um, to, to use it for what,
you know, they want to use it as that even
happens to this day, um, in, in churches with people,
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you know, and could be in a small group.
Uh, some people interpret scriptures in a way that maybe
they wanted to fit them, or, you know, or their,
you know, belief or what they're trying to prove. So
that does happen and I'm sure it happened back in
slavery days where they would want the slaves to, you know, believe.
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You know, one way that that wasn't accurate, complete with
what the Bible was saying, so I, I'm not sure
if they altered it or if it was just the
way they taught it.
Brian.
Yes, there was an altered version known as the slave Bible,
and it was produced in London in 1807 and it
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was given specifically to um the slaves in the West Indies,
which would be the Caribbean islands as we know them
today and um it was.
Uh, you know, I mean, you know, it's interesting. It
was kind of like, well, we want to give them
something to encourage them, so we'll give them portions of
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the Bible, but we don't want to encourage them to
think that they should pursue their freedom or believe that
they should be liberated. So we're gonna take the passages
out of the Bible that would imply that, uh, in
the Old Testament and even in the New Testament, um,
places where this is really interesting, places where
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Um, the apostle Paul, for example, like in Ephesians or Colossians,
you know, he's writing to masters and slaves, and the
instruction that he gives the master, of course, is, you know,
you have a master in heaven, so you better keep
that in mind as you're dealing with your slave, you know,
so there was to be, you know, fair treatment and
love and and all of that. So they, they deleted that,
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they left that out because they didn't, you know, they,
they were just trying to
Uh, manage the slave population without them getting some kind
of an idea that that God might have wanted to
liberate them. So, yeah, it's a, it's a fact of history. Yep. Here, uh,
I found an article online, it says, there are 1,189
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chapters in a standard Protestant Bible.
The slave Bible only contains 232, so they took
A huge percentage of that. 90% of the Old Testament
is missing, 50% of the New Testament. Yeah, well, the
book of Exodus is missing because of the exodus, because
they were in slavery and they were delivered from slavery.
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So it's like, oh, we don't want them to know
about that. Yeah, yeah, and the bishop of London at
the time that kind of supported it, so yeah.
What do you think, Anthony?
Uh, yeah, I just, you know, like I said, I
just didn't know how to witness to him, um, uh,
back with that, uh, with a godly biblical response, uh,
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like I said, he seemed a little agitated when he
brought that up and, you know, so I was just like, well, is,
is it he, uh, I don't wanna discredit his claim
obviously claims to be a believer and what have you.
I just, you know, I just.
Trying to find the right words to witness. Yeah, and Anthony,
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the best, the best thing we could do as Christians
is own these kinds of things and not try to
deny them, not, you know, pretend like they didn't happen,
but just say, yeah, that did happen and that was
absolutely wrong and it was, you know, horrific and it
was the farthest thing from what
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We would be able to embrace as Christians according to
what the Bible actually says. So I think, you know,
a a friend of mine wrote a great book called
Bullies and Saints. His name is John Dixon, and it's a,
it's a church history book, but he in the book,
he basically is looking at both the good and the
bad in Christian and in church history, you know, there's
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some wonderful things that Christians have done and there's deplorable
things that Christians have done, and I think, uh, you know,
his philosophy is we need to just get all the
cards on the table.
And, I mean, you know, we don't necessarily have to
repent today of what people did hundreds of years ago,
but if we're doing anything similar, we need to repent today, so.
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Yeah, yep. Any other thoughts, shared? No, that's clear. All right, Anthony,
thank you for your phone call today here on Pastor's Perspective.
888-564-6173 is our number. We're gonna be here until 4
o'clock with Pastors Brian Broderson and our guest Sheridan McDaniel, 888-564-6173.
By the way, this Sunday, we Kwave.
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We are going to be Sheridan's guests at, uh, one
of his churches, a place for worship in Anaheim. Look
forward to it. That's gonna be so cool. I won't
be there unfortunately. I'll be here working, but, um, 9:30
in the morning. That's when your service is there in
uh Anaheim. Yeah, so check that out, you guys. You
can get more details about the church, including directions and
more information. What's the website?
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It is a place for worship.org. Hey, that's nice and simple. So, Sheridan, what, um,
what should we expect on Sunday morning? What are you,
what are you preaching these days? So with K wave coming, I'm.
I've been in a series called Knowing God and so
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you know I'm, I'm debating, do I, you know, continue
my series or do I, um, speak on something that
that is more around fellowship, you know, with, with our
K Wave family coming, so kind of, you know, trying
to decide, trying to decide, yes sir.
Yeah, well, let's Calvary guys, we kind of just stick
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with the reason, you know, whatever it is. Oh, it's
Mother's Day this Sunday. I forgot. I'm in, uh, I'm
in Leviticus 13. Yes, yes, which is interesting that you
bring that up though because there's been a lot of
talk lately about how come certain things weren't preached about
a few weeks ago and it's just like, well, Calvary Chapel.
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Never necessarily breaks format. The funniest thing to me is
sitting at a Calvary Chapel when something goes on in
the world, right? And then the next Sunday at church,
the pastor's still going through the Book of Acts or
the book of Exodus, whatever, and it just so happens
that there's something there in chapter 17 that
Correlates to what's going on and then the pastor will
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mention something about it. It's just like, wow, was this planned?
How did you part of the flow of this and,
and I mean, I, I think it, I think we
have a responsibility, you know, we can't just have our
head in the sand and ignore everything that's going on,
but I think we have to be selective too, and
I think nowadays, you know.
Have you noticed this, Sheridan, like every Sunday is some Sunday. Oh,
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today's Grandparents Sunday, or, you know, this is, uh, you know,
great grandparents great great grandparents that you're supposed to acknowledge
or celebrate or
reject or I'm just like forget it, you know, I'm
gonna stick with the main stuff, right? We, we, we
have to hear from God. We didn't know it. I,
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I saw something that said if you didn't talk about
Charlie Kirk.
You should leave that, you know, and someone responded, If
you didn't talk about Jesus, you should leave. Well, that's
what we're doing. We're talking about Jesus. That's what our
job is. Exactly. All right, back to the phones. Here
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is Chris in Upland. Welcome to Pastor's Perspective, Chris. Thanks
for listening to us on FM 107.9. What's up?
Hey, guys, thanks for taking the call. Um, of the
five points of Calvinism, are there any that you would refute, um, using, uh,
biblical text, or would you, uh, say they're aligned, uh,
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and biblically sound? And why do you ask, Chris?
Uh, it appeals to me, to be honest.
Why? Why does it appeal to you?
I, I think it makes sense. It, uh, it's pragmatic
to me. OK.
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Sheridan
Well, I, I remember Tulip from my Bible days total.
Depravity, unconditional election, limited atonement, irresistible grace, perseverance of the saints,
and
In my study of it and you know, during Bible college,
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I had no problem, you know, with any of those. I,
I can find a biblical.
Scripture, biblical base, you know, for each of those, and again,
I'm
I'm not one that goes to the extreme in any tulip,
you know, I just like to stay balanced if, as
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long as I could find biblical basis for, you know,
what is speaking, I'm, I'm good, but I'm not one
to go to, you know, yeah.
Right, yeah.
Um, yeah, so Chris, I would say this is my,
my take on tulip, um.
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Uh, total depravity.
Yes and no. Um, the, the yes, of course, as
the Bible does teach that we, you know, we are incapable,
incapable of saving ourselves. Um, sometimes though, the reformed or
Calvinist view of, of total depravity goes beyond that, I think, and, um,
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to some extent there is the the idea that
Um, you know, you, you actually can't even believe that's you,
you don't even have the capacity to believe you're, you're
so totally depraved, which I think, um, and that'll come
up in a, in a, in some of the other
ones too, but then unconditional election.
Uh, means that you're elected, whether you.
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It has nothing to do with anything other than God
and His sovereignty just decided I'm going to elect these people,
and I'm not gonna elect these people. So it's not
based on a condition. So it's not, it's not based
on faith, it's not based on belief even. Um, and then,
of course, the, the limited atonement is the one that
most people um who aren't just really, you know, committed
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deeply to reformed or Calvinistic theology.
Uh, this is the one that they look at and say, wait,
that doesn't quite sound right, that Jesus died only for
the elect. He did not, his, his atonement was not for, uh,
all people, for God so loved the world that he
gave his only begotten Son, uh, the world there doesn't
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mean like everybody in the world, it just means like
the world of the elect.
And so that's where most people, um, have a problem.
You know, some people say I'm a 4 point colonist,
which means that I just, I, I disagree with limited atonement.
But if you understand Tulip, it's, it's really a system,
each part is connected to the, the previous part. So you,
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you can't really fully embrace uh the first two points
and then not embrace the third point.
And then that brings us to irresistible grace, which I
think a big problem with irresistible grace is that the,
you know, even I, I think of Stephen in his, uh,
he's preaching to the, the Sanhedrin, and he says to them,
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he says, you do always resist the Holy Spirit. So,
I mean, it sounds like you can resist, um, the spirit.
So anyway, and then, of course, if you're
If you're unconditionally elected and you're, you've been atoned for
and you've been, you know, brought irresistibly, you know, you
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can't fight against it, and then the last point is
that you're um going to persevere.
So you're, you're gonna in the end be saved. Now,
if in the end you turn up not being saved,
then it just, then you go all the way back
and say, OK, well, I wasn't unconditionally elected in the
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first place. So, it's a funny thing where on one level,
it seems to give you assurance, but on the other
level it doesn't give you assurance because you have to
persevere to the end.
Is there a good book that maybe you could recommend
to Chris and anybody else? Maybe something that weighs both
sides equally, or? Um, yeah, probably, um, and, and I
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wanna say, you know, publicly, I've said this before, we
haven't had this conversation in a long time. Um, I'm,
I'm very thankful for many people who hold to, uh,
Calvinistic or reformed view, uh, their commitment to the gospel and,
and all of that. I'm
I, I appreciate that. I've learned so much from so
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many in that world over the years, but I've, I've
never agreed with this.
Theology in, in the finer points of it. So, I,
I think probably the, the easiest book to get on
it is, is Chosen but Free by Norman Geisler. Um,
I think that one probably is, would be a, a
good
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A good read.
Yeah, I mean, there's there's other stuff, but I think
that would probably be.
Chris, what do you think?
Chosen but free. I am going to uh look into that,
and I do appreciate it. It's been good dialogue and, uh,
a thoughtful response. So thank you so much. All right, Chris,
thanks for calling. Did you have anything else to add? No,
I'm good. All right, Chris, thank you so much for
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your phone call today here on Pastor's Perspective. Well, we
haven't even, you know, tulip. I forgot that there was
a tulip. It's been so long since I've answered a
question on it.
I mean, that goes, like I said way back when
I was at Grace Bible College. Does the other side
have a flower to, uh, you know, like rose, and
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then there's like an, it's an acronym and maybe somebody
will come up with one carnation. There you go, Carnation chrysanthemum. No,
all right. uh, Fay, what is your question for us today?
I think it's more of a comment. Go ahead, Fay,
thanks for calling in today.
Thank you for taking my call today. I wanted to
call in first of all to say thank you to
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Pastor Brian.
My grandfather told me to never neglect to give thanks
to God and to those who helped you along the way,
and 7 years ago, Pastor Brian, I was considering suicide.
Oh my. because of some, because spiritually I was being
attacked by Satan and he was using a family member
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to attack me and it was a very weak moment
and I called in to pass uh perspective.
To ask, um, it was a last ditch effort and
I got right in just like I did today and
I know God works in mysterious ways. His wonders to perform.
I know that, and
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I was planning on my way home from work that
day to let that be my final day of suffering.
Because I didn't know how to get through that situation
and still deal with this relative who was very close
to me and my family. And Pastor Brian, you told
me that.
Forgiving this person didn't mean that I had to deal
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with that person that I could walk away and not
feel guilty about it, but pray for that person, but
I didn't have to feel obligated to stay with my
abuser or just around with my abuser in, in so
many words you were much gentler in your in your
of that, but I, I've been to Calvary Chapel, Costa
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Mesa several times to thank you and I'm just never
had the opportunity.
Afterwards, after the service, to thank you. Well, today God
pressured my heart to say that today, and he made
an opportunity, and I want to just thank you for that. Well, Faith,
thank you for reaching out and I'm, I am so
glad that we're having this conversation and that the Lord
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brought you through that and what a, what a blessing.
He did. He did and he used you and I
want to also thank you for your unbiased and Christ driven.
Responses to the Charlie Kirk situation. I know that you're
going to catch a lot of slack for that, and
I pray for your strength, and I pray for all
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of you there at Pastor's perspective because if you help me,
I know you're helping hundreds and hundreds of others who
might not have the opportunity to say thank you. Thank you.
That's very, very, very kind of you to call in
Fay and um.
Yeah, it's amazing that she said that she got right
in 7 years ago when she called in. I remember
I was reminded of this just last week, I think,
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of a phone call that we got about, it was March.
It was March of this year.
And I accidentally clicked the wrong button and I went
to that call instead and I was just like, wait
a minute, I, OK, well, let's just put it on
and turned out to be someone in San Diego. I
don't think you were here that day. I think it
was one of Bobby Conway and one of our biola
guys was here and um she was like, you know what,
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I'm at the end of my rope. Give me a
reason why I shouldn't kill myself. And so we were
able to minister her to her for the next 20
minutes and it's just like, but I, I pushed the
wrong button. I wasn't even supposed to talk to her. Well,
you know, I love that.
Yep, indeed. All right, 888-564-6173, call in, we'll be right back.
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Welcome back to Pastor's Perspective. 888-564-6173 is the number to call.
Brian Perez here along with Brian Broderson and Sheridan McDaniels.
Pastor Sheridan pastors two churches. One of them is called
A Place for Worship. It's in Anaheim and K Wave
is going to be visiting a place.
For worship in Anaheim this coming Sunday morning at 9:30.
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So come on out as we support Pastor Sheridan and
his radio program called Worship That Walks, and you can
hear that here on Kwave Saturday mornings at 10. You
still enjoy doing that program, Sheridan? Love it love it
love it. That's so cool. Yeah, we love hearing you
that walks OK today, because I was looking over the schedule.
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Colin asked me to, you know, look over the schedule.
We're working on making a few adjustments and
I keep seeing worship that walks. I'm like a worship
that walks. I wonder what program that is. It's you.
It's me. Now I know 10. That's awesome. I love it. Yes.
Oh man, you got a sweatshirt. We love you. That's
so good.
He went all out, made, uh, got sweatshirts done and even, um,
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what do you call them, baby onesies, or did you
only make one of those? Just one? Yeah, I wonder why.
One onesie. Yes, one onesie. Very cool. All right, 888-564-6173
is our number. And now let's talk to Josh in
San Diego who is listening on the Kwave app. Thank you, Josh,
for downloading the app and for calling in today. What's up?
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Good afternoon, uh, gentlemen. I've been having some conversations with
some of, uh, my non-believing, highly skeptical friends lately. Good
for you. Thank you very much. I appreciate that. Uh,
I used to be one of those, so now I,
that's great chatting, so.
When I will make a reference to Romans or Ephesians
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or Galatians or any of those, they will oftentimes dismiss
those out of hand because they say, well, that, that
didn't come from Christ. And if Christ cornerstone and bedrock
of Christianity, what did God need Paul for? And then furthermore,
if Paul claims divine inspiration, I'm thinking specifically of like a.
when he talks about the mystery revealed. If Paul claims
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divine inspiration for these things, why should we believe him
more so than we believe somebody like Joseph Smith, who
claimed divine inspiration for all of his works. So, that is,
that is the question I have for you guys and
how to politely come back continue politely, the dialogue with
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these folks.
Right.
Well, I, I think, you know,
It seems like we answered this question yesterday. Did you
send this in Josh originally on a on a like
a Facebook thing or something?
I did not. Yeah, the one from yesterday was about Moses. Yeah, OK, yeah,
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but it's, it's interesting because two days in a row
we've had this kind of comparison. It was between Moses
and Joseph Smith. Now it's Paula Joseph Smith and, uh,
so interesting. Um, well, I, you know, one thing I
would just say right off the top is look.
Everybody knows that the, the Book of Mormon is full of, um,
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you know, historical, geographical inaccuracies and things like that. So it's,
there's not, it's not even
Um, legitimate when it comes to even talking about, you know,
just some of the basic things that we can do
the research on, um, you know, all the claims about, uh,
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the some of the Israelites migrating to North America and,
you know, setting up these civilizations in North and South
America and so forth, and of course, there, there's no,
nothing like that has ever happened. So,
So on one level you have Joseph Smith and and
these Mormon documents that are uh clearly uh historically and
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geographically inaccurate. On the other hand, you have the Bible,
which of course goes back to the New Testament period
2000 years ago, and there's more evidence for the stuff
they talk about in the Bible than you can ever.
Uh, get your head around in a lifetime. So, I
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would say just on that level, that is um one
thing that I would say, but of course,
Uh, again, and, and I, it's kind of a funny comparison,
Joseph Smith and Paul the Apostle. I mean, Paul is
a person who met Jesus. Paul was commissioned by Jesus.
Paul was sent by Jesus. Uh, Joseph Smith had no
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such thing, and of course, he came 1800 years after
the fact, too, so.
I don't know. I'm just going off the top of
my head here. It just seems to me like a
kind of a ridiculous, not that you're asking a ridiculous question, Josh,
but that anybody that would say, well, you know, between
Paul or Moses and Joseph Smith, it's like, what?
(35:31):
Any thoughts? Sure, um, yeah, Joseph Smith and the Book
of Mormons.
I have never read or seen, maybe I missed it,
about the book of Mormons being God breathed or God
inspired to where the Bible is God breathing, God inspired,
(35:54):
you know, according to 2 Timothy 3:16 and 17. And
so it's God who is using Paul. It's not Paul
coming up with his own thoughts or
You know, his own opinions, you know, for those of
us who believe in the, in the Bible, we believe
God is speaking through him and giving us the word
(36:16):
of the Lord versus Joseph Smith, who, who just claims
he had visions, um, from, you know, God, visions from Jesus, um,
but nothing.
Inspired by God in in the Book of Mormons, it's
more inspired by a man.
So I, I was just trying to remember, um, this great, great, uh,
(36:41):
film that was put out a few years ago. It's
called the Bible versus the Book of Mormon. And, um,
the irony is that there are Mormon guys who made this, um,
and so they go through it maybe just find it
on YouTube or something, Josh, uh, it's, it's probably there
for sure, somewhere on the internet, but it just goes
through and shows, uh, goes back and looks at, uh,
(37:04):
Uh, all of the references in scripture to ancient places
and so forth, and then they're they're on location and
they're like, OK, we're in Capernaum now and, you know,
here's what Capernaum looks like, or, you know, we're in, um,
this part of Jerusalem and, you know, just like what
the Bible says, this is what it looks like. And
then they're in North America, like, you know, we can't
(37:25):
find a trace of any of this here. They go
down to South America and like, you know, hey, there's
nothing down here that would indicate there was ever any
kind of civilization.
And, and so it, it's, it's a great, uh, tool,
I think if people are asking you that specific question
about Joseph Smith, this is a great tool, and you'll
get some really good, uh, information to come back to
(37:49):
them with on that. Is this the movie I found
it on Amazon? It's available on DVD. That's it. The
Bible versus the Book of Mormon. Yeah, but who has
DVDs these days? I mean, I don't even have a
DVD player. I do. You do.
Of course I do. And I know somebody who has
a VCR and he still uses it. OK, well, maybe
you can get it in VHS. I'm sure, I'm sure
(38:10):
my friend has that, yes.
Does that help at all, Josh?
I, yeah, I, I think it does, and, and I,
I do hold with all of the views, and I
have studied the Book of Mormon in comparison to, to
the Bible and do understand that it is absolutely, you know,
kind of full to say it's full of holes is,
(38:30):
I think understatement, um, and his, of course the historical
records don't back any, any of that up and but
I guess I'm also wondering like.
There's a lot of people out there who want to
say that Pauline theology.
If it did not come directly from Christ, doesn't hold
the same weight that Christ's teachings did. And if Paul,
(38:57):
if what is Paul, if what Paul said is that important,
why didn't Christ convey that while he was here on earth?
Well, Paul wasn't converted when Jesus was on earth for one.
But I think I would go to, I would go to, um,
2 Peter, you know, where Peter refers to Paul's writings
as scripture. So scripture is the question, you know, what,
(39:20):
what is scripture? So, of course, Jesus didn't write any
of the Bible. Um, so what are we gonna do?
Just say, well, then whatever Jesus didn't write, then we're
not gonna believe it. Well, then we're not gonna be
able to believe anything because he didn't write anything.
Uh, his mission wasn't to write things down, but he
did tell his.
Followers that they would be the ones, the Holy Spirit
(39:43):
would come, he would bring all things to their remembrance
that he had said to them. And then, of course,
they were the ones who penned the scripture. So, but
scripture is the key. That's the term that speaks of
the holy writings, the writings that, you know, Jesus understood
to be inspired by God, and Peter says Paul's writings
(40:03):
are scripture.
Any thoughts, Sheldon? Yeah, and again, for me, I'm just
gonna go right back to the Bible as being God breathed.
Through Paul, through Peter, through John, you know, um, and
like you said, scripture is what's important. And if God's
(40:25):
word is scripture, whoever it came through is coming by
way of God and not that. Yeah, and, and I
I just think of like when Jesus says, you know,
scripture cannot be broken. John chapter 10.
So Jesus is talking about this body of writings, these
holy writings. So when Peter says that Paul writes scripture,
(40:48):
he's talking about the same thing Jesus was talking about
when Jesus said that, you know, scripture can't be broken.
Very good. 888-564-6173 is our number and now we're going
to go to Lydia in La Habra. Hi there, Lydia.
Thanks for calling 888-564-6173.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Thank you so much for taking my call, pastors. You know, I,
I don't, I guess we're all, you know, in different
stages of our lives. I was 18. I had my
one way Catholic Bible. We were always taught to have
respect and reverence for God. That's one thing I have
treasured all my life, that we, that God was God Almighty.
(41:31):
And when I knelt on my knees and I repented
and asked God for forgiveness, I truly experienced being born again.
I said, God reveal yourself to me. What I hear
is it true?
And when it was John 3:16 for God so loved
the world, I always closed my eyes. I literally saw
(41:54):
Jesus dying on the cross for me, not just for
the world, but for me personally.
And that just overwhelmed me to think that God Almighty
would do that, and that is what he does to
every true repentant believer, you know, we could argue about
this says this human being is saying this, and when
(42:17):
it all amounts to we are too low to our
savior in His holy word.
The grass withers and the flower faith, but the word
of God will stand forever. Jesus came to fulfill the law,
not to abolish the to the law. What did he say?
Go and proclaim the gospel and make disciples of of
(42:41):
human beings. Go to the laws.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
So what's your question for us, Lydia?
Speaker 2 (42:46):
I say, why, you know, what I don't understand is
I didn't know who this Charlie Kirk was, but when
I heard that he was assassinated, I don't have internet
or any of that fancy things. I prayed for his
wife and his children. But then it was like people
(43:06):
started idolizing him, and the Lord says, thou shalt not
have no idols before me.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
In what way were they idolizing him, Lydia?
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Well, all, all I hear is uh Charlie Crook this
and Charlie Crook that, but I never saw him proclaiming
the gospel. He was just there, you know, having his
own viewpoints.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Well, I think there are and I know you just
said that you don't have internet and all that other stuff,
but there are plenty of videos, plenty of articles that
you can find out online where he is proclaiming the gospel, so.
Um, yeah, I, we can't play any of them right
now on the radio program cause we're not set up
for that, but, um, but yeah, should we be idolizing people,
(43:50):
should we be
I mean, of course not, but if, if it's somebody
who is a believer, I mean, are we taking things
too far by
Well, I mean, you know, maybe some people are, but
I don't, I wouldn't say generally that that is happening.
I think people are responding to, uh, you know, a,
a horrific situation. I mean, I can't, you know, even
(44:12):
last night, because unfortunately I saw the, you know, the
clip from, from the moment Charlie was shot and, and that,
you know, that replays in my mind and when I
think about it.
I just, I'm sad, you know, I'm just saddened to
think that this young, you know, 31 year old guy
with a beautiful wife and kids is, you know, dead.
(44:34):
And um and so I think I, I think in
the moment, I mean, we're only like just a little
more than a week or so, was it a week
or 2 weeks? 2 weeks, 2 weeks, yeah, 2 weeks
out from that. So there's still a lot of shock in,
in the, you know, in with people and then of
course there was the big um memorial service for him
(44:57):
and so I, I think it's.
Uh, you know, uh, there, like I said, there might
be some people that are doing that. I don't, I
don't think that that is what the majority of people
are doing. I think they're just honoring a person who was, um,
Uh, you know, trying to do good things for people
in the country and, uh, the gospel, and he was
(45:19):
tragically murdered, and I think they're just showing respect for him, yeah, and, um,
I don't know even.
My son, who would listen to him, he showed me
clips of him, you know, just teaching the word, answering
questions about the word, which, you know, a lot of
the answers were solid. Um, I believe anytime something tragic
(45:40):
like this happens to a person in the media gets
in it, it's, it talked about we're in a world
of Instagram, Facebook, and we're gonna see a lot of
TikTok and and what have you. You're gonna see it
and hear a lot.
Um, it dies down after a while, so it may
be some more than I, I think idolizing some just
(46:03):
believed in his views and, uh, and you know, um,
I'm not sure of the idolizing part, but that happens.
It happens with athletes. It happens with performers. It happens
with a lot of celebrities, the whole.
in peace, but, you know, uh, I would just say,
you know, we stay focused on, on Christ and, um,
live in his character and, yeah, and I, you know, I, I,
(46:25):
I think we could safely say that, you know, Charlie
wouldn't be encouraging people to idolize him. He would be
wanting people to look to the Lord. So, yeah.
Uh, Lydia, thank you for calling in today on Pastor's Perspective.
As you were speaking, Lydia, I'm listening to your voice
and thinking, hasn't, didn't she call in recently, but then
(46:46):
I remembered, uh, she left us a voicemail, expressing these
opinions and everything. And unfortunately, like she told us right
now on the phone, she does not have internet or
anything like that, but we did find at least one article, uh,
that we would have sent you if you had email
and it's on premiereCristianity.com.
If maybe you can somehow, if you know someone who
(47:08):
has internet or something, you can go to premiereChristianity.com, and
there's an article there written by Billy Halliwell called Charlie
Kirk's True Legacy Isn't His Politics, it's his Christian faith.
So really good article that you might want to read
there at premiereChristianity.com.
OK, here's a question that was sent in online on
the Kwave.com pastor's perspective page. It's from Scott in San Bernardino.
(47:30):
I had a question about Martin Luther. I believe he
was a key figure in the start of the Reformation.
I believe he was a believer in Jesus, so my
question is, will we see him in heaven? And the
reason for the question is because of his hatred towards
the Jews.
The papers he wrote in his later years shows his
anti-Semitism towards the Jews even to the point of death.
(47:53):
I believe he is in heaven because he loves the
Lord and gave his life to him. I know we
will still struggle with sin till Jesus calls us home,
but what is your perspective on Martin Luther? What would
you say, Sheridan? I respect Martin Luther, um, especially his
writings and Protestant movement and, um,
(48:15):
You know, his, his belief and.
You know, how he communicated his belief. I, I've always respected.
Martin has always been an inspiration to me, um.
I believe if Martin Luther, as you said, is saved,
we will see him in heaven. Um, we all have faults,
we all have struggles that we'll battle with until, you know,
(48:38):
the Lord comes or we're gone. So, yeah, if our
salvation is based on this, the grace and mercy of
Jesus and not my.
Not my actions, so if I believe, I, you know,
I will get there and I'll, I'll see Martin Luther
again who definitely, definitely inspired me.
What would you say, Brian?
(48:59):
Yeah, I think this is, um, you know, Luther is
a good reminder that we, um,
You know, somebody put it this way, you know, all.
All of our
Leaders and heroes, uh, have this one thing in common.
Everyone has feet of clay. And so, um, Martin Luther,
(49:20):
you know, God used him in an extraordinary way to
bring back into the forefront that salvation is God's gift
through faith. Um, but then, you know, Luther had his
own human kinds of issues that, um, you know, he
was a person who
(49:40):
He was very passionate and he saw things a certain
way and he just couldn't, it was difficult for him
to um hang with anybody who didn't see, see it
the way he saw it even even people who generally
agreed with him like other reformers at the time, you know,
like uh Ulrich Zlingly and
(50:01):
Uh, people like that, he just, you know, he didn't
have any time for them. If they didn't see a
thing just exactly the way he saw it, then he,
he kind of wrote them off. And then, of course, the,
the tragic chapter, of course, was his um turning against
the Jews. So with with Luther, Luther originally.
Here's, here's a little known fact. Some Jewish people thought
(50:24):
Luther might be the Messiah. that's as crazy as that sounds.
They thought he might be the Messiah, because when he
came onto the scene, he was very, uh, amicable toward
Jews when the, of course, the Roman Church had not
been at all. And so it seemed like um there
was some uh a hopeful situation. Luther thought the problem
with Jewish unbelief was Catholicism had so misrepresented.
(50:47):
Christ, that of course they weren't gonna believe in that Jesus,
but now that they got the real Jesus that I'm
telling them about, it's all gonna be good. But they didn't,
they didn't, uh, embrace his Jesus and he turned against
him and yeah, the, the stuff he wrote, and you know,
(51:08):
this is every people know this, uh, some of the
stuff he wrote, Hitler would use later, uh, to justify
some of the things he was doing, which is
Horrific. So, um, I think with Luther you have to
recognize that he was uh a man uh who was
a sinner and he would have been the first to
admit that, and he had some, you know, serious blind
(51:30):
spots and so I've, I've done lectures on, on Lutheran
classes and stuff and I.
Uh, I don't even say what I was gonna say. Never,
never mind. I, I did compare him with a current
personality that some people might be able to guess the
similarities between, but, but I'll leave that for people to guess.
(51:54):
We don't need more controversy. No, no, no.
All right, thank you. Uh, who was that, Scott. Thank
you for sending in your question through the Kwave.com pastor's
perspective page. And I think we have time for one
more phone call. Here is Jackie in Riverside. Hi there, Jackie,
thanks for calling in today.
Hi, thank you for taking my call. Yeah, so my
(52:14):
question was, I, I just
Wondering when people pass away, they say, you know, well,
they're in a better place, they're in heaven now, but
other people say that they're asleep. So my question is,
are they asleep or are they in heaven? Sheridan, what
do you say?
To be absent from the body is to be present
(52:35):
with the Lord. Uh, that's what the scripture tells us,
so when we pass as believers, we're gonna be present
with the Lord.
And the word present, um, you know, it means present.
It means that I'm I'm with the Lord. Uh, I
know a lot of time when uh the scripture refers
(52:58):
to sleep, um, it just refers to it.
As resting and so yeah I'm resting in the Lord,
not that I'm sleeping and, you know, like we see
sleep and I'm out of it. Yeah. Well, that's, that's cool. See,
I didn't know that and you know how it says,
you know, in the rapture, and he's gonna, he's gonna
(53:19):
raise the dead and is that because he's just gonna
raise their body, but their spirit's been with him.
Yes.
OK. And Brian hit it, hit it.
Yes, yes, the, the body, the resurrection is always refers
to the body. So the spirit.
Uh, you know, when a person, a believer dies today,
(53:41):
the spirit goes to be with the Lord, the body
goes into the grave, and then at the resurrection, the
body is, is raised up and glorified and
And reunited um with the spirit.
Does that help you, Jackie? Yes, the answer is super clear,
and I understand it, and thank you so much. All right,
(54:01):
thank you for calling us today here on Pastor's Perspective,
and we've just about run out of time on today's program.
We have that happens and we haven't even mentioned Back
to Basics Live on Sunday night at 30. Well, I
kind of mentioned you kind of mentioned it, but yeah,
but 6:30 this Sunday night. Book of Acts chapter 19,
the establishing of the church in Ephesus and the riot
(54:23):
that ensued. So we're gonna have a great time. That's
in person.
In person, yeah, 6:30 p.m. Sunday evening in the fellowship hall.
Come on out at Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa. Come on out. You,
I'm talking to you. It's not just the radio audience.
I'm talking I got that. Don't, don't, don't put that
pressure on him. He's gonna preach at two different churches on.
(54:43):
That's true. That's true. That's true, right.
Now I'm the bad guy. Bastards got stick up. Yes, yes,
they do. All right, guys, we are out of time.
We're going to archive today's episode on Facebook, YouTube, Apple Podcasts,
and Spotify if you missed any of it. We just
want to hear it again. And if you've got a
question for us or if you tried calling in today
and couldn't get through, we will be back tomorrow between
(55:06):
3 and 4 in the afternoon. Will Cheryl be joining
you tomorrow, Brian? Well, oh, you know what?
I don't think so. You know who's gonna join us
is Doctor Liu Wing. Oh really? Yes, who hasn't been
with us forever, a long time, but yeah, who just
wrote a new book and so we're gonna talk about it. Oh,
very cool. OK, so Lou Wing will be here. Doctor
Liu Wang. So will we be taking questions like medical questions.
(55:31):
I have a toothache. What can I do about it? Yeah, no, I,
I don't know. We'll, we'll probably.
Take the first half hour to talk about the book
and you know, what the book is about. And then
we'll see. All right, very good. So tune in tomorrow
for our conversation with Doctor Liu Wang. For Pastor Brian
Broderson and Pastor Sheridan McDaniel, I'm Brian Perez. Sheridan, once again,
great seeing you today, sir, and we'll see you this, uh,
(55:53):
Sunday morning at 9:30 at a place for worship in Fullerton.
God bless you guys.
Anaheim, not Fullerton, right? OK.
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