October 16, 2025 • 56 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:15):
And away we go. Welcome to Pastor's Perspective. I'm your host,
Brian Perez, and we are here live on this Thursday afternoon,
ready to take your phone calls at 888-564-6173. Got something
on your mind, got a question about the Bible, the
Christian faith, we are here.
For you for this whole hour. So grab an open
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line while there's still time. 888-564-6173. We've got Pastor Brian
Broderson from Echoes of Mercy.com here to answer your questions,
as well as Pastor Phil Metzger from Calvary San Diego.
What's going on guys? Dotcom CalvarySandiego.com. Isn't Calvary. It is CalvarySD.com.
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We don't want to send people to the wrong website.
Straight up. That's true. Uh, what's going on? Well, um,
today's been a productive day. You know how, you know
how you have sometimes you have like, you have all
these things dangling out there and in the back of
your mind you're like, I gotta do that, I gotta
do that, and you keep thinking like, oh gosh, I,
I gotta get to that, you know, I'm traveling here
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next week, so.
I'm just thinking of all the things I've got to
get done before I go. So today, I actually accomplished
several of them, which was made me made me happy, yeah.
So that was good. So it's a productive.
A productive morning and um I love days like that.
Come on, yeah, they're rare yeah few and far between,
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yeah unfortunately you you know you get.
Too many irons in the fire and you're like, oh wait,
I said I'd do that. Oh, I forgot. Oh no, I, I,
I that's the thing. Wait, I gotta do this too. Yeah,
so don't know how to say no. I mean, you know,
I love when people ask me to like write an
endorsement for their book. The only thing I don't like
is you have to read it before I write the endorsement, so.
(02:07):
So a friend of mine, you know, in the UK,
he's like, Hey, would you endorse my book? I'll send
you all 300 pages of it. Oh great, OK, and
I will just zip right through that. Is there, is
there a summary that I could go from exactly, give
me the summary just ask AI write a summary on
this book, but it is a fantastic book, so I
was very happy.
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Um, it's actually he, he, the title of it is
God's book, and he's taking, going through all of scripture,
and he's answering the, the seven most, um, asked and
sort of perplexing questions about the Bible and the Christian faith.
And he's a great scholar too, so he's really you
call it like God's book. How do you not read it?
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You have to, yeah, you kind of have to. It's
like a 300 page version of Pastor's perspective.
Yeah, so if people call in with one of those
7 questions, we'll say read God's book. Yeah, you know,
it's one of those confuse it with the Bible. Yeah, yeah,
it's one of those books. I literally like I, I
will have a supply of these together. Oh, it's good. Oh,
that's great to know. Very, very good. Yeah, very good.
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That's wait for that to come out. And then I
spent the last hour looking over a list of books
that I've written over the years and how many.
Uh, copies of those we still have trying to figure
out why did we print that many #1, what are
we gonna do with these 2, because some of them are,
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you know, they're dated because you're writing them at the
moment for something that's happening at the time and then
you have these copies that don't work out you're like.
OK, you know, years ago I, I wrote a book
called Consuming Fire on the topic of revival, and part
of the book is great because it's just historical looking
back at various revivals and things. And then when I
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get into kind of the current moment, it's like, OK,
well that's like 20 years ago and that moment has passed.
Can you, can you like update? Well, I can, but
that doesn't it won't have the printed books that you
have in your garage.
That's the problem. Ah, copy, I get you now. Yep.
Yard sales, I guess that might work.
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Yeah, maybe we'll see. We'll see what happens. Um, really
quick note on Sunday night coming up at 6:30 at
Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa in the fellowship hall. Back to
basics live where we go through the Bible, and we
are in Acts chapter 21.
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So yeah, coming out and join us if you're looking
for a Bible study. It's kind of just an old
fashioned Bible study, you know, just get nobody does Bible
studies on Sunday nights anymore. I really don't, yeah, yeah,
so we're just one here, yeah, yep, way to break
the mold, buddy. Way to break. That's great. Seriously, even
midweeks are like hard to find. Yeah, very true. It's true,
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and I mean, including my, we don't do a midweek now.
We we do like small groups instead, right, exactly, yeah.
All right, call in with your questions or send them in.
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aforementioned form. Uh, here's a question that was sent in,
I believe, on Instagram, or maybe it's Facebook. I can't
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really tell. It is from Nicole, who asks, how can
I address my husband, who doesn't celebrate me for my birthday?
Yes, he works a lot, but is that an excuse?
I'm trying not to be so mad because this happens
every year. So it's expected. He doesn't make an effort.
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I'm super annoyed, mad, and kind of giving him the
silent treatment. We've been married 18 years. I'm trying to
stay well mannered, but my flesh is creeping.
He's a non-practicing Christian man. What is the appropriate biblical response? Now,
we don't know if this has been happening all 18
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years that Nicole's been married to this gentleman, or, uh,
I don't know, but it's funny because I heard another
radio program, don't tell anybody.
And uh somebody called in to say that she had
been married to her husband for like 50 years, and
he will buy her presents, but they're always like, what
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is this? I don't, I don't need this. Why, why
do you buy me this? So, this must be an epidemic.
I don't know. What would you say, Brian? What would
I say? Well, thankfully, I have a wife who says, um,
Hey, look what you got me for my birthday. And
I'm like, oh, that's awesome. Yeah, that's exactly deserve and
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so much more. I got you that, um, and of
course you just give her copies of your book from
the garage, the ones that are outdated. Here's another copy
of Consuming Fire Ca Cheryl right after this. That's, yeah,
I mean, you know, that that is hard. I think
that obviously there's some insensitivity there.
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Um,
You know, some, some people are really good at that stuff,
and some people are not that great at it, so.
And I completely understand why you feel the way you
feel about it. Um, I, I'm sure you've told him.
I'm sure you've said like, hey, did you know it
was my birthday, like for the last 10 years on
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this date? Um,
And
Maybe just remind him, you know, maybe get a refrigerator
magnet that says this is your wife's birth date. So
whenever he goes for the fridge, it's right there in
front of him. I mean, chances are he won't see
it because men and refrigerators, they don't see stuff.
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On or in the refrigerator, put it like on the
tortillas like as he's pulling those out, you know, make
a quesadillas, huh, OK. You know what, I don't know
what the answer to this question is, so I'm pitching
to Phil. No, I don't.
Well, don't do that. Not sure you've got a great idea. No,
I'm just thinking the same thing solve this.
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I'm just thinking too like, like you said, like not all,
not everybody's a good gift giver, that's just fact some people,
but like you're acknowledging your wife's birthday. I mean, you,
you know, to not do that at all is like rough,
you know, so like he's acknowledging but he's not a
good gift giver. I let me say this to um
what was her name? um Nicole.
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You know, silent treatment isn't a great idea. Like when
we talk about like what's a good biblical response, probably
not the silent treatment. That's not a healthy, you know, there,
there needs to be conversation because you're angry about it
and you have, you're justified, it's frustrating, you know, you
guys have been married 18 years, you've kind of more
expectation at that point. I think this could be, you know, again,
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the longer you guys do this, the harder that gets,
but this is like a point of conversation like
You would feel valued by these things and he's not
doing that is the bigger issue than him just getting
you a gift. It's you feeling like I have value
and I'm loved because you did that. So I think,
you know, that's a conversation you guys should have for sure, not,
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not a silent treatment. I, I get it.
I'm not a great gift giver. My wife is the
best gift giver ever, but we have agreements in like
our own birthdays or Christmas and all. We don't like
to do the gift thing. It's like, let's go somewhere,
let's be together. Let's you you just gotta have those conversations.
You can't, you can't silent treatment. Yeah, yeah, and I think,
you know, to to bring a biblical passage into it, um,
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you know, Peter, Peter says, um, for husbands to live
with their wives with understanding and the
There must be communication for there to be understanding. So
I think what you're saying Phil is is good. The
the silent treatment isn't helping because that's um
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You know, he's like, well, I didn't know. I mean, you,
you never said anything.
Um, so, you know, I, I, I mean, obviously from
the way you're expressing it, you're probably a bit apprehensive
about saying something because you feel like you're gonna say.
Things that aren't that nice, um, understandably again, in one sense,
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but you know, you just need to pray about it.
But didn't she say that he is a kind of
like a backsliden Christian? Yeah, non-practicing Christian, yeah, that's a
kind of an oxymoron there're a non-practicing Christian, but
I mean, and that's obviously part of why he is
the way he is. I mean, you don't have to
be a Christian to remember your wife's birthday and be
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nice to, and you could be a non-Christian, yeah, you
can be a non-Christian, yeah, but, but in his case,
I think if he was, if he was with where
he should be with the Lord.
I would think that that would help, because when you're
where you should be with the Lord, you are open
to conviction. You're open to like, oh gosh, yeah, that
that was wrong. When you're not there, you're kind of like, well,
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Who cares, you know, so, and, uh, reading over Nicole's
question again, she doesn't even mention gifts. So I know
we've been talking about this, but she, she's like saying, yeah, he,
he doesn't celebrate me for my birthday. So I don't
know what that means like he doesn't, you know, say
happy birthday. Does he not take her out to dinner? Um,
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who knows? And what's also scary about this is.
Not that Nicole's gonna do this, but if somebody else
were to come around and just start celebrating Nicole, that
puts her in danger of now, I mean, I don't know, yeah,
you gotta, you gotta celebrate your wife. Just, you just
have to, you gotta celebrate your wife, you know, it's,
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I mean, if you stop and think about it, I've
thought this many times over many years of spending time
with marital couples and you know, I, I've been in
a
The situation with with a couple that I, I have
literally just had to just ask them, how did you
guys ever get married in the first place? Because did
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you ever like each other? Was there ever a moment
where you were friends or anything because you're obviously not
that now. But my point is how sad because God.
said it's not good for man to be alone, so
he creates the woman to come along and compliment the man.
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And um in in some ways sort of, you know,
bring a a a a fulfillment is not totally exactly right,
but it but it's partially that. And so the intention
on God's part for marriage is this is a good thing,
and it's gonna
Be, um, a good experience, you know, and when it's not,
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it's just sad because it could be, it should be, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I mean, you know, we talked about this many times.
I mean, Charlotte and I've been married for 45 years,
which I can't even when I say it, I can't
believe that that could be that shock you? is that
always shocks me, um, awesome, but you know, we did
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our 7 mile walk together today and
You know, it's just great. I mean, we fought for
3 miles of it, but you know you still had
4 to go. The last 40, today was 5. Yesterday
was 7. So you had 2. We, we fought for
2 and we were fine for 3. That's a good day.
It wasn't a fight. It was a disagreement. It was,
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you know.
Yeah, but I mean, you know, we talk about this
to people all the time. If you can't fight together
and like work things through, that's, that's marriage, that's life. Yeah, yeah,
we had a good row and then we were fine.
Can you believe we're, we're 30 years this year. That, that,
that is just as shocking to me as 45 for
me because, you know, how could that be? It's not possible.
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I was, I was a little kid. Were you 10
when you got married?
I always think you're 40 still. That's my problem. 51 dude, yeah,
that's the thing. I'm just immature. That's why you think.
Well, I hang around with a bunch of immature 50
year olds. Yes, you do. Yes you do. Ed was
in yesterday. He's 59 and you know he's, he's holding
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on to his 50s there, yeah.
All right, Nicole, thanks for sending in your question online.
Now we're gonna go to the phones at 888-564-6173, beginning
with Manny in Temecula. Thanks for calling in to Pastor's
Perspective today, Manny. What's your question?
Thank you, gentlemen. Before I ask my question, would you
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give me 15 seconds to answer the call? Uh, OK, let's,
let's hear it.
I would,
Speaker 2 (15:02):
I would put a happy face on the refrigerator and
put the number 5 underneath it and the next day
put a 4, the
next day put a 3.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Well, you know what, there's some, there's some good, um,
there's some good advice coming in. David, David's got a
good idea too. We'll hear about, yeah, he does. Yeah,
that's a good one.
The Bible says that we will recognize our loved ones,
our family, our children in heaven. Do people recognize themselves
in hell, and what scripture would that be found at? Hm,
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what do you think, Phil? Um, there's there's nothing, there's
There's nothing explicitly that says that, uh, that they'll know.
They'll have that kind of clarity of identity. Um, Revelation
14:10 and 11 speak to like an emotional awareness.
Uh, revelation 2010 through 15 speak of like an emotional awareness,
so that that does speak to some layer of like
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obviously they're not just like non-entities that are in suffering
in hell, so they're they're they're still the identity as
a person, but in terms of like relationship and relational, um,
what that looks like, I don't know of any verse
that is explicit on that, um.
Can you think of any?
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No, I, I can't. What Jesus says, you know, he
describes hell as, um, outer darkness, a place of wailing
and gnashing of teeth. And so I don't think it
is a place where there's any
Recognition of anything except
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The fact that you are in hell and you are
in eternal misery. I'm thinking to the 2 Thessalonians like
you're aware that you're separated from God, maybe, but yeah, people,
I don't know anything, yeah, I mean, where the worm
does not die and the and the fire is never quenched,
you know, so there's no.
Um, but yeah, I don't think there's like a consciousness
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outside of your situation at that point, and then I'm
just guessing, I mean, because like we said, the Bible
doesn't say specifically, which is so interesting because so many
people think they're gonna party with their friends in hell
and it's like, no, that's so that's wrong on so many.
Remember the cartoons. It was always like the, the, the, the,
the demon on your shoulder that's like in a party
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and then the angel's got a harp on a cloud,
you know, like bored out of his mind, you know,
it's like we've got it so mixed up and I
mean not, not us. I, I, I have literally heard
people say, uh, I don't want to go to heaven, man.
It's boring. I'm, I'm going to the party in hell.
It's like, well, guess what? The party's canceled. There is
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no party.
All right, Manny, thanks for your question today on Pastor's Perspective.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
888-564-6173
Speaker 1 (17:54):
is our number and uh let's hear that other piece
of advice that we have for Nicole's husband. I hope
Nicole's husband is listening right now. David and Lakewood, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Hi, um, I was just thinking, you know, if, uh,
Nicole sent him a reverse birthday card. Send him a
birthday card from him to her, but just sent it
to him.
And he might get the
hint.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yeah, hey, it
Speaker 2 (18:22):
can't hurt.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
She could fill out all the stuff she wanted him
to stay in the car. sign here, sign here. Yes, perfect. Now,
now you don't have experience with this, David, do you?
This isn't why you're calling in, I would hope.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
No, my wife and I usually remember each other's, uh,
events pretty well.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
I wonder what her husband thinks about his own birthday. Like,
would he be upset if? Oh, that's a good question.
Does she like go all out on his birthday? Oh, yeah,
we don't know. That's why we like when you guys
call us because we we got to email her back
or whatever, yeah. Well, David, thank you for calling today
on Pastor's Perspective. And now here is Darlene and Anaheim,
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who's watching us on YouTube. Thank you, Darlene. It's wave
to Darlene and, uh, well, go ahead. What's your question
for us today?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Hi, I just need a prayer
request.
OK my
sister, sister-in-law. Mhm.
Um, she just had a baby two days ago, and
she lost a lot of blood, and so now she
needs a blood transfusion. But the problem is,
Speaker 1 (19:30):
is that she's Jehovah Witness and her family is Jehovah Witness,
and they're denying the blood transfusion. Oh boy. Um, when
did this happen? This happened two days ago. Um, she
had a baby on Tuesday. Mhm.
And so I just got this information this morning. Um,
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my brother, he's, he doesn't practice any religion or anything,
so right now he doesn't know what to do. Mm.
So it's just out of curiosity, is she the one
who's saying I can't have a blood transfusion or people
around her?
Around people around her. 00.
But she's not against doing that.
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She's, um, I'm not sure. I just got this information
this morning. um But you know that she's a Jehovah's Witness.
Yeah.
Yeah, Lord, we do pray for um Joanna, for Joanna
and Lord, you know what she needs and we pray
that you would break through this um and, and just
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as it's a crazy idea that comes out of um
a false religion that's harmful.
Uh, we pray that Joanna's husband, um, Joanna herself, that
they wouldn't, she wouldn't be duped by this, and she'd
be able to get the help she needs. So we
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just commit it to you. Pray for Darlene that you
would um encourage her and and just help her know
to know how to um navigate this. We
Pray in Jesus' name. Amen. Amen. Amen. And if everyone
listening and watching can keep Joanna in your prayers, Darlene too,
of course, but, uh, Joanna is the name of the
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the gal who um who lost a lot of blood, uh,
and now needs this transfusion. So do either of you
know why Jehovah's Witnesses believe this about, um, that blood
transfusions are wrong?
I I used to know, but I, I feel I
was about to say the same thing like I know
I knew and I have no clue. Yeah, I, I mean,
I haven't thought about the topic in so long, but
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I mean, you think about how cruel that kind of
and then you know, this is what you find with
false religion. There are, there are elements to it that
are just, um, in some cases harmful and potentially deadly
here with something like this. So.
That's why you wanna stay as far away from that
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stuff as you can, yeah. All right, they believe that
the Bible commands Christians to abstain from blood not only
from eating but even taking it into their body in
any form. That's it, yeah. I just looked that up,
by the way, if somebody's wondering if you're just listening,
you thought I just figured that out. I didn't. Everybody
on YouTube and Facebook could see. I'm on my phone.
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I checked it.
It's OK. We, we figured we like, uh, chatchi PT sometimes.
What's the answer. All right, Darlene, thanks for calling in today.
Thank you. Alright, God bless. There's been like a lot
of like like TV shows and news articles that I
remember back in the day when that first became like
kind of known like they were really hitting on them
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you know I remember times with children, you know, yeah, exactly,
exactly where you're like, wait, they don't get to decide.
They're technically are they Jehovah's Witness, you know, as a
child it's crazy stuff. Hey, I wanted to just mention, um.
You know, we prayed last week for Lorenzo Smith and
who pastors the collective church in LA who went in
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for surgery on Saturday for brain cancer and um I
posted this update, but I want to read it. It's
pretty brief. It says um it says uh what a
whirlwind this is his wife Isabel, she's writing, uh, Lorenzo
was discharged today, that was yesterday actually.
And he is home. He got brain surgery on Saturday
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and he's home already. What a guy. I even took
a short walk with his friend Casey upon arriving and
watched the Dodgers, praising God and trusting him for what's ahead.
And so that that's Isabel, and then I just said,
you know, please continue to pray for healing, uh, wisdom,
grace and peace for Lorenzo and family.
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And also for the church there in LA. So yeah,
I just thought let's let's pray for him again today.
So Father, we pray for Lorenzo and as he's in
this recovery process from the surgery, just, you know, help
him to heal up soon and again, we pray about
the cancer and we ask that you would purge his
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body from every cancerous cell and Lord have mercy and
bring healing. We pray for Isabel that you would strengthen.
And bless her, and for their two daughters, Lord, may
they just be encouraged, uh, their extended family, uh, Lorenzo's parents, Lord,
may you just
Be glorified in all of these things. May they know
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that you are that you are near and that they
are dear to you in Jesus' name.
Amen.
Amen. Lorenzo and Isabelle used to be on staff here
at Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa. In fact, Isabelle used to
work here at Kwave. She would occasionally be on the radio.
She had a French accent, so that was, uh, it
was always a treat to hear Isabelle on the radio
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because it's like, wait a minute, she's got a French accent.
You don't hear that. So that was cool. You do
in France? OK, well, yes, joke, of course.
Did, did you ever know Lorenzo very briefly, very, just
a little bit, yeah, yeah, just a little bit. Yeah,
you were living on the other side of the world,
the other side of the planet, it's where they speak
French over there closer to that group, yeah, yeah, that's,
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that's what a beautiful thing though it's happening. It's awesome. Yeah,
praying he gets better. Yeah. 888-564-6173 to Alicia. We go
listening in Huntington Beach on the Kwave app. Hello Alicia,
what's your question for us today?
Hi, so first I'm gonna give you the background story
because it's easier to ask the question if you know
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the background. All right. So in 2023, my husband cheated
on me on my birthday in January 202,420.
2023, it's like it was November 2022 and then in
January 2023 we separated and he filed for divorce on
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our seven-year anniversary. I have a question about adultery in
my case, like if.
We're to get divorced, am I an adulterous if I remarry.
What do you guys say? No.
listen, I mean, first let me just say, God, Lee,
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I'm so sorry, um, I, I see what you're like,
I'll let Brent I'll let you kind of speak to
the verse itself directly, but like, let's just like your
husband committed adultery and then, man, we're having a day
where birthdays keep coming up and sorry about that, it's
terrible and then you're asking like, OK, is it, is it,
you know, is that for you? No, but Brian, do
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you wanna
So I, I just want to get a little bit
of uh clarity on this. So, your husband filed for divorce,
but it sounds like is your divorce still pending or
has it gone through?
Oh
It's still pending. We might be getting divorced in January.
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Maybe there's a trial set for them.
What was that last part? He went and catch it?
There there's a trial set for them. There's a trial
set for them, a trial. Oh, OK. The kids involved then? Um.
So, have you guys, so it's 2025 right now, where
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I heard 2023. So have you guys been separated now
for a couple of years?
Yes, and I haven't dated anybody because I am trying
so hard to honor my marriage. OK, OK, but he's
pressing forward with the the divorce.
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Oh yeah, he literally moved in with a girlfriend surfing
divorce papers and never looked back and just because he
got constant custody of our child. OK.
OK, well, listen, you are completely free to move forward
in your life with Jesus and with a new relationship
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if that's what the Lord has. Obviously, you know, you
wanna make sure that
If you
Pursue a new new relationship, you're doing it with somebody
who's not gonna be like the person you were married to.
Um, but you know, you're, you're the victim in this,
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so you're not the one who's held responsible. Uh, he
is the responsible party and he's the one who will
have to, uh, answer before God as to why he
was unfaithful, why he committed adultery because the scripture is
very clear, you shall not commit adultery. And then, you know,
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leading to the um
Extenuating circumstances of the divorce coming as a result of it.
But you're, you're free from that marriage, um, and you're
free to, to move on with your life in the Lord.
But isn't there that verse in the Bible that maybe
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it could be the verse that uh Alicia is wondering
because you read that verse and it makes it seem like, yeah,
maybe you're not allowed to. Yeah.
Yeah, we'll come back and.
Address it. OK, very good. And we'll address other questions
as well. What questions? I don't know. You have to
ask them. 888-564-6173 is the number to call. We're going
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to be in the studio for about another half hour,
and we would love to hear from you. 888-564-6173. Pastors
Brian Broderson and Phil Metzger here till 4 o'clock. What
would you like to ask them? 888-564-6173.
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Hey, we're back on Pastor's Perspective. Thanks so much for
listening and for watching as well on Facebook, YouTube, and Instagram.
My name is Brian Perez. 888-564-6173 is our number. We've
got Pastors Brian Broderson and Phil Metzger here for about
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Right before.
break, we were speaking with Alicia, who, uh, is going
through this divorce things. Looks like her husband wants to
go through with it. She doesn't. She wishes everything could
just reconcile and work out, but, uh, so Alicia's question was,
would it be OK for her to pursue a relationship
in the future? And though she didn't mention it, I
wonder if it's because of that verse in the Bible
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that kind of alludes to the fact that if a
woman does get into another relationship, she would be considered
an adulteress. So what passage is that, Pastor Brian, and
what would you say to anyone thinking that that's the case? So,
going to Matthew 19, the Pharisees also came to Jesus
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testing him, saying to him, is it lawful for a
man to divorce his wife or just any reason? So,
basically they were wanting to justify the fact that they
were doing that very thing.
Ah, and so he answered and said, Haven't you read
that he who made them at the beginning made them
male and female, and said for this reason, a man
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shall leave his father and mother be joined to his wife,
the two shall become one flesh, so they are no
longer two but one flesh, therefore what God is joined,
let not man separate.
And they said to him, Well, why then did Moses
give a certificate of divorce? And he said to them,
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Moses did this because of the hardness of your heart.
For that reason, he permitted you, permitted you to divorce
your wives, but from the beginning, it was not so,
and I say to you, so Jesus is now kind
of resetting, he's recalibrating the command, you know, uh, originally,
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this is what God said, a concession was made because
of your hard hearts, but now,
Things are going back to the way they were intended
to be. That's pretty much what Jesus is saying there.
And so then he says, and I say to you,
whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, so this
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is the this is the out, and of course it's
sexual immorality on in this case would be the part
of of the wife. So a a wife is unfaithful,
then the man because he's addressing the man.
Um, is free to divorce, um, except, uh, but, but
without that exception, um,
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If one marries another, they commit adultery, and whoever marries her,
who is divorced, commits adultery. Now, in one of the gospels, um,
it's worded just slightly different and it
And maybe that's the one you were thinking of, Brian
where it um.
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It actually makes it sound like uh.
You know, adultery would be on the part of the
person that was sinned against.
And we know that that is not the case. Which
translation did you read in? I'm using New King James, right?
Oh yeah, because I, it kind of reads like that
to me too here a little bit like whoever marries her,
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who is divorced, so the guy committed adultery, they divorced
and whoever marries her also commit like I, I hear it,
but that's not true. OK, 100% not true. But, but
then there's another, there's another one where it's like, I
mean it sounds like the victim is.
Like guilty guilty, but I think what Jesus is doing there, um,
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because of course he's not gonna hold the victim guilty.
I think what Jesus is doing there is he's compounding
the guilt of the of the person who commits the sin.
So for the man.
He's, he's saying you're not only committing adultery, but you're
forcing someone else to commit adultery. That's not by by
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them being remarried later. You're, you're forcing them to commit adultery,
but that adultery is not on their head, it's on
your head, so it's like a double judgment is what
Jesus is saying. Mark 100 Mark 10:12, yeah, yeah, and you're,
you're correct, yeah.
Very good, Alicia, thank you for calling in today on
Pastor's Perspective. And now let's go to Jeff and Menefee.
You're on with Brian Broderson and Phil Metzger. Thanks for
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calling 888-564-6173.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
What's going
Speaker 1 (35:05):
on, Jeff?
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Hey, good afternoon guys. First, I just want to say
thank you guys
so.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Well, hold on, your phone's cutting out and you're thanking us,
so we want to make sure we hear that loud
and clear. So, uh, get, get yourself in a good
cell spot so that we can hear this. Nice and slow,
nice and slow, yes.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Yeah, no, thank you guys so much for this ministry.
I've been listening to you guys for years and I
just love it. I feel like I learned so much.
people calling in and asking the questions. Um, the first thing,
I just wanted to, uh, follow up. There was another
caller and I think his question was if in hell,
if there's the understanding of self-identity.
(35:46):
Right. Mhm. Um, of self-awareness, and I just wanted to
say that maybe when Jesus told the story of Lazarus
and the rich man, the rich man asked Abraham if
he can send.
Um
Lazarus back to tell his brothers about this place so
they could avoid going to hell. Um, so it seems
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that if he was aware that he had brothers on earth,
he had some kind of awareness of who he was.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Yeah,
Speaker 2 (36:12):
that's good.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
I don't know if that. No, that's a good, that's
a good point. I think that's a great point. The
only thing I would say, and not to say that you're,
you're wrong on that, um, the context there would be, um,
would not be the lake of fire. So, you know,
there's before the final judgment lake of fire that is
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yet to come in the future, uh, people are in
a conscious state of torment, but, um, it would be
not to the same level that we would say will
be the lake of fire. So I was thinking more
of the lake of fire, but it's a good point
that you have, and I think, yeah, that that that
could extend that, yeah, exactly. So.
Good job, Jeff.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
didn't get to my, my main question, um, is, it's
just been something that I've kind of been thinking about, uh,
for a while, you know, just to kind of satisfy
my own thoughts of things and stuff, but, um, and
I know that.
I always learn in church that, hey, the, the Trinity, Father, Son,
and Holy Spirit, they're a perfect love. There is nothing
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wanting or needed outside of that by them, you know,
it's perfect.
Um, but my kind of thought question on it is,
is if that was the case, um, would there have
been any kind of need or desire to create beyond
the Trinity, by the Trinity and my kind of
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allusion to that is God made man in His image, um,
he made Adam, but then after Adams, you know, goes
through all the animals and, you know, looks around, God
says it's not good that man should be alone. And obviously,
that wasn't an afterthought to God. um, so it would
seem that he made him the one way.
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For a reason, and then, um, then, you know, made
that statement, that's not good, that man is alone, and
then he created Eve out of him. And because man
was made in, especially Adam in God's image, is that
any kind of allusion to the fact that
The Trinity God, Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit did
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have kind of some desire, or I don't mean to
say need, but I just, I'm not good at articulating
any other way, that there was some kind of need
and we do feel a need in God.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Well, I, I want to first of all commend you
for thinking about all of this stuff because this is
great deep thoughts, this is great, deep, you know, theological
thinking and I'm gonna just say one thing and then
I'm gonna pitch it to Doctor Phil who is here
in the room. Um, no, but I, I, I think you.
I think you nailed it on one aspect and then
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slightly missed it on the other. And I think the
word desire is right. I think God did desire, but
he did not desire because he needed, he desired because
he wanted to share who he is with other beings.
So what do you think, Phil? Yeah, I mean, God's driven,
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the Bible is really clear. What drives him is love.
And um, I was, I'm reading this book, um, the
CS Lewis book on the Four Loves, and it is
a great book, and this is the, he says, God
who needs nothing loves into existence wholly superfluous creatures in
order that he may love and perfect them. He creates
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the universe already foreseeing the buzzing cloud of Lly Zena.
He does all these things and it's wholly out of
his love. It's a great book and it, but it's,
it's expressing the idea of what the Bible is already
telling us that
And this is a really important kind of, I think,
to the point you made, Brian, why this is such
a great deep thought. You
You're nailing it on the head that like God wanted relationship.
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Um, he didn't like, so when Adam saw his need.
Yes, he's made in the image of God, but he
is not God. We gotta, we gotta see the the
separation between there, right? God is wholly sufficient in in
in himself, always, the Trinity.
When he made man, he didn't make us wholly sufficient
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in ourselves. He actually made us in need of him.
And in need of others, like from the very beginning
he put us we needed work, we needed purpose, we
needed hope, we needed joy, and these things were gonna
happen on an external, they're not found in us, we
were going to
Um, there were gonna be hours outside of ourselves. So
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another reminder of God making Eve why we shouldn't forget
our wives' birthdays. OK, just I'm just circling back to
that thing right there. But, so, but, so God didn't
make Adam because he had a need, but he certainly
created Eve because Adam had a need. God made us
because he wanted and wanted relationship. Yeah, and you think
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of that like, um,
You know, within the triune God, Father, Son, and spirit,
there's eternal love, and then at a certain point they're like,
you know what, we gotta share this. This is too much. Yeah, yeah, we,
we gotta pass this on. But you know, the, the,
the text of scripture that pretty much I think just
answers the question is Act 17, you know, when Paul's
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speaking to the philosophers on Mars Hill.
And he's talking about the God who made the world
and everything in it. He's Lord of heaven and earth.
He doesn't dwell in temples made with hands. And then
he says this, nor is he worshiped with people's hands
as though he needed anything since he gives to all life, breath,
and all things. So that that that that says that
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he didn't need anything. And that passage again is Acts 7.
2525, yeah, very good, Jeff, thanks for your phone call
today here on Pastor's Perspective. I love those. I mean
that's some good deep thoughts. Leyla in San Diego, thank
you for calling 888-564-6173. How can we help you today?
(42:14):
So, uh, thank you. Um, um, I have a question
because this, um, like a continuation of the previous caller's, um, question. Um, so, uh, everybody,
it's because, uh, it's about marriage and rela relationship. So
because it's in the Bible, right, that it's not good
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to divorce, right? But um, and also forgiveness. Uh, but
Uh, what if
Mm, um, it's been like the husband that's been doing
it again and again, like adultery. And, um, for example,
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if the wife is um exerting effort um to have, uh,
you know, the relationship back, but then the husband doesn't
have
That
Uh, not anymore, you know, the, he doesn't respond.
Mhm.
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So, um, He doesn't respond, meaning what?
It he doesn't care. He, he doesn't reciprocate your love, yeah,
and it says, it says here that your daughter found
divorce papers in his car.
Is that accurate, yeah. But, but up to now, he's
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not doing it because he doesn't want to pay. Yeah.
Have you confronted him?
About this
About your, yes, but he said he doesn't want to pay.
He doesn't want to pay.
So he wants to get a divorce when.
It's financially
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More
Um, he said, um, it's up to you, um, and
because I asked the lawyer, and then he said, um,
the lawyers, the lawyer asked, um, what does your husband want?
Does he, does he want legal separation or divorce? And then, uh,
(44:25):
I asked him, and then he said, oh, what do
you want? I'm just going by my day like that
while washing his hands, so.
Sounds like he doesn't want to be the bad guy.
Are you, are you? Are you together with him now still?
Uh, we were in the same house for, um, you know,
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and then right now, October, like, right, this month, I,
I'm renting a room. He's renting a room, yeah. He
is or you, yeah, I think she said she is
you're renting a room or he is?
Me, me. And how old is your daughter?
Oh, the, my youngest is high school. OK, so she's
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still a minor.
Man, well, Leila, we are so sorry that you are
living through this, and this is so sad.
And um
I mean, you haven't really mentioned, you know, whether your
husband's a Christian or not, but I mean, he's certainly
not behaving like one. So I think it, it, I mean,
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as to whether he's still, you're asking, is he still
in a relationship? I don't know if you've asked him
and if he said that, but he, he, from everything
you just told us, he is obviously uh kind of
done with the marriage. And so,
I guess the the best thing we could encourage you
with is to know that uh you're free, you don't
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have to stay in that situation. If you, you know,
through prayer became personally convinced that God was telling you
to hold on, then then you would need to do that.
But you don't need to feel bound like I'm not
going to be a good Christian if I, you know,
move myself out of this.
This difficult thing he has committed adultery that appears to
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be a fact. And so that in and of itself
frees you to move on like we said to the
other person that called today you can move on with
your life in Jesus and know that God will be
with you and he'll bless you, you know, whatever you
do as you move forward serving him, so.
And I think I can, if I could just say
like kind of an ugly ugly reality to your situation
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is like you have rights, you know, here, that you
won't um have until you do move forward with some
legal action. So I know that might sound ugly and
you're like, I can't be the one to go forward,
but so right now you're out there renting a room,
you're and you're you're probably like getting nothing and there's nothing,
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no financial benefit or or support.
And that means, you know, you're probably gonna have to,
and he's he's making you do this, and we're saying
that
Then you, then you do have to be the one
to kind of move forward a little bit so that
you would, you know, be able to financially support yourself.
And we, we've seen many times over where there is
a situation where um
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The the person who's wanting to end the marriage doesn't
actually want to have the responsibility for having ended it,
so they make your life as miserable as possible so
then you are the one who pulls the trigger and
then they're like, hey, I, I didn't divorce them, they
divorced me well.
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Guess what? God knows, yeah, he knows all of it, so, and,
and so does everybody else, you know, seriously.
So, in Laya's case and with our earlier caller, it's
that verse in Malachi that people go back to God
hates divorce. So, Layla's here saying, I want to be
a good Christian wife, God's gonna, God hates divorce. Does
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that mean God's gonna hate me? No, I mean, the
answer is no, I.
Because God hates lots of things. He hates adultery too, right,
and he hates, uh, a loveless marriage. He hates the
idea that you would stick around only to spite the
person that you made a commitment to. That's, that's evil. Layla,
thanks for calling today here on Pastor's Perspective, and again,
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everyone listening and watching, please keep Layla in your prayers.
888-564-6173. Hey, we've got two Steves on the phone. Eeny
Meeny Miny Moe. All right, this Steve, you win. And
uh Glendora, what's your question for us today on Pastor's perspective?
Steve, you there? Go ahead, go ahead. Now we hear you.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
OK, great. Uh, my question is about, uh, in Mark 15,
when Jesus says, my God, my God, why have you
forsaken me? I'm just wondering the correlation between
That in Psalm 22, where he's the Psalm of from
Psalm of David, he starts with that. I'm I'm wondering
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if Jesus declared this just as out of just utter
anguish over just why have you forsaken me, God, or
is he really trying to lead people like a bread
crumb to Psalm 22, because I think Psalm 22, if
I'm not mistaken, is um
Talks about, I think talks about prophetically about Jesus and
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and him being the savior, you know, so I'm just,
is he saying that to lead them as a bread
crumb to go see that and I'm, I'm thinking that everybody,
maybe that is hearing this would, since they know scripture,
maybe they automatically think of this or it's amazing if
that's what he's doing.
Speaker 1 (49:53):
Yeah, um, uh, you know.
I guess we, we just have to speculate on it
a little bit, but I.
I don't think
I don't think Jesus is saying, OK, I'm gonna say
this right now because then everybody's gonna go home and
get out their psalm scroll and then they're gonna, yeah,
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then they're gonna find it. Um, so I think it
is more just, you know, so Psalm 22 is a
prophecy for sure. It's a Messianic prophecy, it's a prophecy
about Jesus, um.
And these, these are the things that the spirit revealed
to David, you know, centuries earlier that the Messiah would experience.
And so Jesus is just doing everything that the, the
(50:37):
Holy Spirit said that he would do in the, in
those circumstances. But I, but I think it's interesting because
even though he says, um, Eli Eli Sabatani, um, the
people listening.
Don't totally get it because they think he's calling for Elijah.
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So they're, you know, so if he's trying to get
throw the breadcrumb out, it didn't work. I think what's
happening here, right, is that like when Mark, when Mark
writes this.
The Holy Spirit gives wisdom and understanding. So then now
we all benefit from that bread crumb, right? And, and
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who knows? I mean, maybe there was somebody who who
understood who understood that, yeah.
Yep. Good question. That helps, Steve.
Speaker 2 (51:29):
That helps. Yeah, I was wondering, I figured the Pharisees
there would, would maybe make the correlation like immediately.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
Yeah, they have, yeah, maybe, but maybe not, you know,
I mean, these guys, you know, they, they kind of got,
you know, they've got the living word right in front
of them who has been missed that they're probably gonna
miss the right, thank you, Steve, and you know what,
we've still got time, so let's take the other Steve too,
calling from West Covina watching us on Facebook. Let's wave
(52:00):
to Steve. What's your question for us, Steve?
Thanks for taking my call. Um, my question was, is anxiety, um,
Something that the enemy uses as a tool against us,
or is it also because of the fall of Adam
and Eve at the beginning? I was just curious if
it was one or the other or both because it
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feels like this is something that I've been living with. OK,
like through my whole life and and it's, it's.
When it comes, it's, it's like it stops everything. When
I finally get through it, I'm like back on my
feet again and then it comes again and I'm I'm
taken out again. Yeah, so brutal debilitating, brutal, sorry to
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hear that, Steve.
Um, yeah, I think it's both. I think it is,
it's part of the falling condition and some people are
vulnerable and prone to it for a variety of reasons.
You know, some people kind of want to put anxiety
sort of in this category of, you know, psychological whatevers
(53:03):
or emotional, and I think there's a, I think there's
a physiological connection uh for some people for sure who
just have a, um,
A vulnerability within their constitution toward anxiety and therefore don't
have a whole lot of power when it comes to
controlling it, you know, um, but then I do think
(53:24):
and and I'm talking from experience, I've lived with anxiety,
so I know, I know exactly what it is. Um,
and then I do also know from my own experience
and I think from what I've seen in many other people.
There are times when the enemy will definitely use it.
It's a, it's a, it's a like a weapon in
his hand against us. So, um.
(53:46):
And you know, in both cases, I mean, you're, you're just,
you know, you shut up to the Lord. Thank God
we live in a time when there's actually help medically
where people can, you know, get medications and things that
can be very helpful. You know, Phil, one of our
dear friends, um.
Who you actually inherited the ministry from him in Hungary
(54:11):
because he was unable to continue because of severe anxiety
and part of it was spiritual part of it was
physical and yeah so so Steve, God bless you, my friend,
we hear you.
And um, you know, if you, if you get treatment
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through a doctor, that's good, especially if it's helpful, and
but also know that, um, you know, I wrote a
little book on spiritual warfare, and I talked about anxiety,
depression and things like that. And I said, one of
the things I said in there, you know, there might
be
Different causes ultimately it could be a number of things,
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but one thing that it will always be is there
will be a spiritual component to it for a believer,
so you have to treat it spiritually as well. Some
people just say just treat it spiritually. I think that
cannot be that sometimes helpful.
But never leave out the spiritual. That's right. Yeah, good word,
(55:16):
really good. And I'm glad you mentioned that because a
lot of people are in that camp. Still, uh, nope,
if you go see a psychologist or anything like that,
those are the people that never lived with it. Yes,
that's the truth, to put it mildly. Steve, thank you
for calling in today to Pastor's perspective, and again, if
you
Can make it a point to pray for Steve. So
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many prayer requests, so many things that people are going
through on today's episode of Pastor's Perspectives. So maybe go
back and listen to it later and write down the
names of each of these people who called in today
with their, uh, concerns, with their, uh, dilemmas that they
are going through. God bless you guys for Brian Broderson
and Phil Metzger, I'm Brian Perez, and we'll talk to
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Straight up. That's true. Uh, what's going on? Well, um,
today's been a productive day. You know how, you know
how you have sometimes you have like, you have all
these things dangling out there and in the back of
your mind you're like, I gotta do that, I gotta
do that, and you keep thinking like, oh gosh, I,
I gotta get to that, you know, I'm traveling here
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next week, so.
I'm just thinking of all the things I've got to
get done before I go. So today, I actually accomplished
several of them, which was made me made me happy, yeah.
So that was good. So it's a productive.
A productive morning and um I love days like that.
Come on, yeah, they're rare yeah few and far between,
(01:44):
yeah unfortunately you you know you get.
Too many irons in the fire and you're like, oh wait,
I said I'd do that. Oh, I forgot. Oh no, I, I,
I that's the thing. Wait, I gotta do this too. Yeah,
so don't know how to say no. I mean, you know,
I love when people ask me to like write an
endorsement for their book. The only thing I don't like
is you have to read it before I write the endorsement, so.
(02:07):
So a friend of mine, you know, in the UK,
he's like, Hey, would you endorse my book? I'll send
you all 300 pages of it. Oh great, OK, and
I will just zip right through that. Is there, is
there a summary that I could go from exactly, give
me the summary just ask AI write a summary on
this book, but it is a fantastic book, so I
was very happy.
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Um, it's actually he, he, the title of it is
God's book, and he's taking, going through all of scripture,
and he's answering the, the seven most, um, asked and
sort of perplexing questions about the Bible and the Christian faith.
And he's a great scholar too, so he's really you
call it like God's book. How do you not read it?
(02:51):
You have to, yeah, you kind of have to. It's
like a 300 page version of Pastor's perspective.
Yeah, so if people call in with one of those
7 questions, we'll say read God's book. Yeah, you know,
it's one of those confuse it with the Bible. Yeah, yeah,
it's one of those books. I literally like I, I
will have a supply of these together. Oh, it's good. Oh,
that's great to know. Very, very good. Yeah, very good.
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That's wait for that to come out. And then I
spent the last hour looking over a list of books
that I've written over the years and how many.
Uh, copies of those we still have trying to figure
out why did we print that many #1, what are
we gonna do with these 2, because some of them are,
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you know, they're dated because you're writing them at the
moment for something that's happening at the time and then
you have these copies that don't work out you're like.
OK, you know, years ago I, I wrote a book
called Consuming Fire on the topic of revival, and part
of the book is great because it's just historical looking
back at various revivals and things. And then when I
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get into kind of the current moment, it's like, OK,
well that's like 20 years ago and that moment has passed.
Can you, can you like update? Well, I can, but
that doesn't it won't have the printed books that you
have in your garage.
That's the problem. Ah, copy, I get you now. Yep.
Yard sales, I guess that might work.
(04:15):
Yeah, maybe we'll see. We'll see what happens. Um, really
quick note on Sunday night coming up at 6:30 at
Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa in the fellowship hall. Back to
basics live where we go through the Bible, and we
are in Acts chapter 21.
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So yeah, coming out and join us if you're looking
for a Bible study. It's kind of just an old
fashioned Bible study, you know, just get nobody does Bible
studies on Sunday nights anymore. I really don't, yeah, yeah,
so we're just one here, yeah, yep, way to break
the mold, buddy. Way to break. That's great. Seriously, even
midweeks are like hard to find. Yeah, very true. It's true,
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and I mean, including my, we don't do a midweek now.
We we do like small groups instead, right, exactly, yeah.
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aforementioned form. Uh, here's a question that was sent in,
I believe, on Instagram, or maybe it's Facebook. I can't
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really tell. It is from Nicole, who asks, how can
I address my husband, who doesn't celebrate me for my birthday?
Yes, he works a lot, but is that an excuse?
I'm trying not to be so mad because this happens
every year. So it's expected. He doesn't make an effort.
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I'm super annoyed, mad, and kind of giving him the
silent treatment. We've been married 18 years. I'm trying to
stay well mannered, but my flesh is creeping.
He's a non-practicing Christian man. What is the appropriate biblical response? Now,
we don't know if this has been happening all 18
(06:20):
years that Nicole's been married to this gentleman, or, uh,
I don't know, but it's funny because I heard another
radio program, don't tell anybody.
And uh somebody called in to say that she had
been married to her husband for like 50 years, and
he will buy her presents, but they're always like, what
(06:40):
is this? I don't, I don't need this. Why, why
do you buy me this? So, this must be an epidemic.
I don't know. What would you say, Brian? What would
I say? Well, thankfully, I have a wife who says, um,
Hey, look what you got me for my birthday. And
I'm like, oh, that's awesome. Yeah, that's exactly deserve and
(07:04):
so much more. I got you that, um, and of
course you just give her copies of your book from
the garage, the ones that are outdated. Here's another copy
of Consuming Fire Ca Cheryl right after this. That's, yeah,
I mean, you know, that that is hard. I think
that obviously there's some insensitivity there.
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Um,
You know, some, some people are really good at that stuff,
and some people are not that great at it, so.
And I completely understand why you feel the way you
feel about it. Um, I, I'm sure you've told him.
I'm sure you've said like, hey, did you know it
was my birthday, like for the last 10 years on
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this date? Um,
And
Maybe just remind him, you know, maybe get a refrigerator
magnet that says this is your wife's birth date. So
whenever he goes for the fridge, it's right there in
front of him. I mean, chances are he won't see
it because men and refrigerators, they don't see stuff.
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On or in the refrigerator, put it like on the
tortillas like as he's pulling those out, you know, make
a quesadillas, huh, OK. You know what, I don't know
what the answer to this question is, so I'm pitching
to Phil. No, I don't.
Well, don't do that. Not sure you've got a great idea. No,
I'm just thinking the same thing solve this.
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I'm just thinking too like, like you said, like not all,
not everybody's a good gift giver, that's just fact some people,
but like you're acknowledging your wife's birthday. I mean, you,
you know, to not do that at all is like rough,
you know, so like he's acknowledging but he's not a
good gift giver. I let me say this to um
what was her name? um Nicole.
(08:52):
You know, silent treatment isn't a great idea. Like when
we talk about like what's a good biblical response, probably
not the silent treatment. That's not a healthy, you know, there,
there needs to be conversation because you're angry about it
and you have, you're justified, it's frustrating, you know, you
guys have been married 18 years, you've kind of more
expectation at that point. I think this could be, you know, again,
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the longer you guys do this, the harder that gets,
but this is like a point of conversation like
You would feel valued by these things and he's not
doing that is the bigger issue than him just getting
you a gift. It's you feeling like I have value
and I'm loved because you did that. So I think,
you know, that's a conversation you guys should have for sure, not,
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not a silent treatment. I, I get it.
I'm not a great gift giver. My wife is the
best gift giver ever, but we have agreements in like
our own birthdays or Christmas and all. We don't like
to do the gift thing. It's like, let's go somewhere,
let's be together. Let's you you just gotta have those conversations.
You can't, you can't silent treatment. Yeah, yeah, and I think,
you know, to to bring a biblical passage into it, um,
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you know, Peter, Peter says, um, for husbands to live
with their wives with understanding and the
There must be communication for there to be understanding. So
I think what you're saying Phil is is good. The
the silent treatment isn't helping because that's um
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You know, he's like, well, I didn't know. I mean, you,
you never said anything.
Um, so, you know, I, I, I mean, obviously from
the way you're expressing it, you're probably a bit apprehensive
about saying something because you feel like you're gonna say.
Things that aren't that nice, um, understandably again, in one sense,
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but you know, you just need to pray about it.
But didn't she say that he is a kind of
like a backsliden Christian? Yeah, non-practicing Christian, yeah, that's a
kind of an oxymoron there're a non-practicing Christian, but
I mean, and that's obviously part of why he is
the way he is. I mean, you don't have to
be a Christian to remember your wife's birthday and be
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nice to, and you could be a non-Christian, yeah, you
can be a non-Christian, yeah, but, but in his case,
I think if he was, if he was with where
he should be with the Lord.
I would think that that would help, because when you're
where you should be with the Lord, you are open
to conviction. You're open to like, oh gosh, yeah, that
that was wrong. When you're not there, you're kind of like, well,
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Who cares, you know, so, and, uh, reading over Nicole's
question again, she doesn't even mention gifts. So I know
we've been talking about this, but she, she's like saying, yeah, he,
he doesn't celebrate me for my birthday. So I don't
know what that means like he doesn't, you know, say
happy birthday. Does he not take her out to dinner? Um,
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who knows? And what's also scary about this is.
Not that Nicole's gonna do this, but if somebody else
were to come around and just start celebrating Nicole, that
puts her in danger of now, I mean, I don't know, yeah,
you gotta, you gotta celebrate your wife. Just, you just
have to, you gotta celebrate your wife, you know, it's,
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I mean, if you stop and think about it, I've
thought this many times over many years of spending time
with marital couples and you know, I, I've been in
a
The situation with with a couple that I, I have
literally just had to just ask them, how did you
guys ever get married in the first place? Because did
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you ever like each other? Was there ever a moment
where you were friends or anything because you're obviously not
that now. But my point is how sad because God.
said it's not good for man to be alone, so
he creates the woman to come along and compliment the man.
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And um in in some ways sort of, you know,
bring a a a a fulfillment is not totally exactly right,
but it but it's partially that. And so the intention
on God's part for marriage is this is a good thing,
and it's gonna
Be, um, a good experience, you know, and when it's not,
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it's just sad because it could be, it should be, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I mean, you know, we talked about this many times.
I mean, Charlotte and I've been married for 45 years,
which I can't even when I say it, I can't
believe that that could be that shock you? is that
always shocks me, um, awesome, but you know, we did
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our 7 mile walk together today and
You know, it's just great. I mean, we fought for
3 miles of it, but you know you still had
4 to go. The last 40, today was 5. Yesterday
was 7. So you had 2. We, we fought for
2 and we were fine for 3. That's a good day.
It wasn't a fight. It was a disagreement. It was,
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you know.
Yeah, but I mean, you know, we talk about this
to people all the time. If you can't fight together
and like work things through, that's, that's marriage, that's life. Yeah, yeah,
we had a good row and then we were fine.
Can you believe we're, we're 30 years this year. That, that,
that is just as shocking to me as 45 for
me because, you know, how could that be? It's not possible.
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I was, I was a little kid. Were you 10
when you got married?
I always think you're 40 still. That's my problem. 51 dude, yeah,
that's the thing. I'm just immature. That's why you think.
Well, I hang around with a bunch of immature 50
year olds. Yes, you do. Yes you do. Ed was
in yesterday. He's 59 and you know he's, he's holding
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on to his 50s there, yeah.
All right, Nicole, thanks for sending in your question online.
Now we're gonna go to the phones at 888-564-6173, beginning
with Manny in Temecula. Thanks for calling in to Pastor's
Perspective today, Manny. What's your question?
Thank you, gentlemen. Before I ask my question, would you
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give me 15 seconds to answer the call? Uh, OK, let's,
let's hear it.
I would,
Speaker 2 (15:02):
I would put a happy face on the refrigerator and
put the number 5 underneath it and the next day
put a 4, the
next day put a 3.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Well, you know what, there's some, there's some good, um,
there's some good advice coming in. David, David's got a
good idea too. We'll hear about, yeah, he does. Yeah,
that's a good one.
The Bible says that we will recognize our loved ones,
our family, our children in heaven. Do people recognize themselves
in hell, and what scripture would that be found at? Hm,
(15:36):
what do you think, Phil? Um, there's there's nothing, there's
There's nothing explicitly that says that, uh, that they'll know.
They'll have that kind of clarity of identity. Um, Revelation
14:10 and 11 speak to like an emotional awareness.
Uh, revelation 2010 through 15 speak of like an emotional awareness,
so that that does speak to some layer of like
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obviously they're not just like non-entities that are in suffering
in hell, so they're they're they're still the identity as
a person, but in terms of like relationship and relational, um,
what that looks like, I don't know of any verse
that is explicit on that, um.
Can you think of any?
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No, I, I can't. What Jesus says, you know, he
describes hell as, um, outer darkness, a place of wailing
and gnashing of teeth. And so I don't think it
is a place where there's any
Recognition of anything except
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The fact that you are in hell and you are
in eternal misery. I'm thinking to the 2 Thessalonians like
you're aware that you're separated from God, maybe, but yeah, people,
I don't know anything, yeah, I mean, where the worm
does not die and the and the fire is never quenched,
you know, so there's no.
Um, but yeah, I don't think there's like a consciousness
(17:02):
outside of your situation at that point, and then I'm
just guessing, I mean, because like we said, the Bible
doesn't say specifically, which is so interesting because so many
people think they're gonna party with their friends in hell
and it's like, no, that's so that's wrong on so many.
Remember the cartoons. It was always like the, the, the, the,
the demon on your shoulder that's like in a party
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and then the angel's got a harp on a cloud,
you know, like bored out of his mind, you know,
it's like we've got it so mixed up and I
mean not, not us. I, I, I have literally heard
people say, uh, I don't want to go to heaven, man.
It's boring. I'm, I'm going to the party in hell.
It's like, well, guess what? The party's canceled. There is
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no party.
All right, Manny, thanks for your question today on Pastor's Perspective.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
888-564-6173
Speaker 1 (17:54):
is our number and uh let's hear that other piece
of advice that we have for Nicole's husband. I hope
Nicole's husband is listening right now. David and Lakewood, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Hi, um, I was just thinking, you know, if, uh,
Nicole sent him a reverse birthday card. Send him a
birthday card from him to her, but just sent it
to him.
And he might get the
hint.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yeah, hey, it
Speaker 2 (18:22):
can't hurt.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
She could fill out all the stuff she wanted him
to stay in the car. sign here, sign here. Yes, perfect. Now,
now you don't have experience with this, David, do you?
This isn't why you're calling in, I would hope.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
No, my wife and I usually remember each other's, uh,
events pretty well.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
I wonder what her husband thinks about his own birthday. Like,
would he be upset if? Oh, that's a good question.
Does she like go all out on his birthday? Oh, yeah,
we don't know. That's why we like when you guys
call us because we we got to email her back
or whatever, yeah. Well, David, thank you for calling today
on Pastor's Perspective. And now here is Darlene and Anaheim,
(19:05):
who's watching us on YouTube. Thank you, Darlene. It's wave
to Darlene and, uh, well, go ahead. What's your question
for us today?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Hi, I just need a prayer
request.
OK my
sister, sister-in-law. Mhm.
Um, she just had a baby two days ago, and
she lost a lot of blood, and so now she
needs a blood transfusion. But the problem is,
Speaker 1 (19:30):
is that she's Jehovah Witness and her family is Jehovah Witness,
and they're denying the blood transfusion. Oh boy. Um, when
did this happen? This happened two days ago. Um, she
had a baby on Tuesday. Mhm.
And so I just got this information this morning. Um,
(19:50):
my brother, he's, he doesn't practice any religion or anything,
so right now he doesn't know what to do. Mm.
So it's just out of curiosity, is she the one
who's saying I can't have a blood transfusion or people
around her?
Around people around her. 00.
But she's not against doing that.
(20:12):
She's, um, I'm not sure. I just got this information
this morning. um But you know that she's a Jehovah's Witness.
Yeah.
Yeah, Lord, we do pray for um Joanna, for Joanna
and Lord, you know what she needs and we pray
that you would break through this um and, and just
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as it's a crazy idea that comes out of um
a false religion that's harmful.
Uh, we pray that Joanna's husband, um, Joanna herself, that
they wouldn't, she wouldn't be duped by this, and she'd
be able to get the help she needs. So we
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just commit it to you. Pray for Darlene that you
would um encourage her and and just help her know
to know how to um navigate this. We
Pray in Jesus' name. Amen. Amen. Amen. And if everyone
listening and watching can keep Joanna in your prayers, Darlene too,
of course, but, uh, Joanna is the name of the
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the gal who um who lost a lot of blood, uh,
and now needs this transfusion. So do either of you
know why Jehovah's Witnesses believe this about, um, that blood
transfusions are wrong?
I I used to know, but I, I feel I
was about to say the same thing like I know
I knew and I have no clue. Yeah, I, I mean,
I haven't thought about the topic in so long, but
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I mean, you think about how cruel that kind of
and then you know, this is what you find with
false religion. There are, there are elements to it that
are just, um, in some cases harmful and potentially deadly
here with something like this. So.
That's why you wanna stay as far away from that
(22:00):
stuff as you can, yeah. All right, they believe that
the Bible commands Christians to abstain from blood not only
from eating but even taking it into their body in
any form. That's it, yeah. I just looked that up,
by the way, if somebody's wondering if you're just listening,
you thought I just figured that out. I didn't. Everybody
on YouTube and Facebook could see. I'm on my phone.
(22:20):
I checked it.
It's OK. We, we figured we like, uh, chatchi PT sometimes.
What's the answer. All right, Darlene, thanks for calling in today.
Thank you. Alright, God bless. There's been like a lot
of like like TV shows and news articles that I
remember back in the day when that first became like
kind of known like they were really hitting on them
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you know I remember times with children, you know, yeah, exactly,
exactly where you're like, wait, they don't get to decide.
They're technically are they Jehovah's Witness, you know, as a
child it's crazy stuff. Hey, I wanted to just mention, um.
You know, we prayed last week for Lorenzo Smith and
who pastors the collective church in LA who went in
(23:05):
for surgery on Saturday for brain cancer and um I
posted this update, but I want to read it. It's
pretty brief. It says um it says uh what a
whirlwind this is his wife Isabel, she's writing, uh, Lorenzo
was discharged today, that was yesterday actually.
And he is home. He got brain surgery on Saturday
(23:28):
and he's home already. What a guy. I even took
a short walk with his friend Casey upon arriving and
watched the Dodgers, praising God and trusting him for what's ahead.
And so that that's Isabel, and then I just said,
you know, please continue to pray for healing, uh, wisdom,
grace and peace for Lorenzo and family.
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And also for the church there in LA. So yeah,
I just thought let's let's pray for him again today.
So Father, we pray for Lorenzo and as he's in
this recovery process from the surgery, just, you know, help
him to heal up soon and again, we pray about
the cancer and we ask that you would purge his
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body from every cancerous cell and Lord have mercy and
bring healing. We pray for Isabel that you would strengthen.
And bless her, and for their two daughters, Lord, may
they just be encouraged, uh, their extended family, uh, Lorenzo's parents, Lord,
may you just
Be glorified in all of these things. May they know
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that you are that you are near and that they
are dear to you in Jesus' name.
Amen.
Amen. Lorenzo and Isabelle used to be on staff here
at Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa. In fact, Isabelle used to
work here at Kwave. She would occasionally be on the radio.
She had a French accent, so that was, uh, it
was always a treat to hear Isabelle on the radio
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because it's like, wait a minute, she's got a French accent.
You don't hear that. So that was cool. You do
in France? OK, well, yes, joke, of course.
Did, did you ever know Lorenzo very briefly, very, just
a little bit, yeah, yeah, just a little bit. Yeah,
you were living on the other side of the world,
the other side of the planet, it's where they speak
French over there closer to that group, yeah, yeah, that's,
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that's what a beautiful thing though it's happening. It's awesome. Yeah,
praying he gets better. Yeah. 888-564-6173 to Alicia. We go
listening in Huntington Beach on the Kwave app. Hello Alicia,
what's your question for us today?
Hi, so first I'm gonna give you the background story
because it's easier to ask the question if you know
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the background. All right. So in 2023, my husband cheated
on me on my birthday in January 202,420.
2023, it's like it was November 2022 and then in
January 2023 we separated and he filed for divorce on
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our seven-year anniversary. I have a question about adultery in
my case, like if.
We're to get divorced, am I an adulterous if I remarry.
What do you guys say? No.
listen, I mean, first let me just say, God, Lee,
(26:25):
I'm so sorry, um, I, I see what you're like,
I'll let Brent I'll let you kind of speak to
the verse itself directly, but like, let's just like your
husband committed adultery and then, man, we're having a day
where birthdays keep coming up and sorry about that, it's
terrible and then you're asking like, OK, is it, is it,
you know, is that for you? No, but Brian, do
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you wanna
So I, I just want to get a little bit
of uh clarity on this. So, your husband filed for divorce,
but it sounds like is your divorce still pending or
has it gone through?
Oh
It's still pending. We might be getting divorced in January.
(27:06):
Maybe there's a trial set for them.
What was that last part? He went and catch it?
There there's a trial set for them. There's a trial
set for them, a trial. Oh, OK. The kids involved then? Um.
So, have you guys, so it's 2025 right now, where
(27:28):
I heard 2023. So have you guys been separated now
for a couple of years?
Yes, and I haven't dated anybody because I am trying
so hard to honor my marriage. OK, OK, but he's
pressing forward with the the divorce.
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Oh yeah, he literally moved in with a girlfriend surfing
divorce papers and never looked back and just because he
got constant custody of our child. OK.
OK, well, listen, you are completely free to move forward
in your life with Jesus and with a new relationship
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if that's what the Lord has. Obviously, you know, you
wanna make sure that
If you
Pursue a new new relationship, you're doing it with somebody
who's not gonna be like the person you were married to.
Um, but you know, you're, you're the victim in this,
(28:33):
so you're not the one who's held responsible. Uh, he
is the responsible party and he's the one who will
have to, uh, answer before God as to why he
was unfaithful, why he committed adultery because the scripture is
very clear, you shall not commit adultery. And then, you know,
(28:54):
leading to the um
Extenuating circumstances of the divorce coming as a result of it.
But you're, you're free from that marriage, um, and you're
free to, to move on with your life in the Lord.
But isn't there that verse in the Bible that maybe
(29:14):
it could be the verse that uh Alicia is wondering
because you read that verse and it makes it seem like, yeah,
maybe you're not allowed to. Yeah.
Yeah, we'll come back and.
Address it. OK, very good. And we'll address other questions
as well. What questions? I don't know. You have to
ask them. 888-564-6173 is the number to call. We're going
(29:35):
to be in the studio for about another half hour,
and we would love to hear from you. 888-564-6173. Pastors
Brian Broderson and Phil Metzger here till 4 o'clock. What
would you like to ask them? 888-564-6173.
(30:17):
Hey, we're back on Pastor's Perspective. Thanks so much for
listening and for watching as well on Facebook, YouTube, and Instagram.
My name is Brian Perez. 888-564-6173 is our number. We've
got Pastors Brian Broderson and Phil Metzger here for about
another 25 minutes, so call in with your questions at 888-564-6173.
(30:40):
Right before.
break, we were speaking with Alicia, who, uh, is going
through this divorce things. Looks like her husband wants to
go through with it. She doesn't. She wishes everything could
just reconcile and work out, but, uh, so Alicia's question was,
would it be OK for her to pursue a relationship
in the future? And though she didn't mention it, I
wonder if it's because of that verse in the Bible
(31:01):
that kind of alludes to the fact that if a
woman does get into another relationship, she would be considered
an adulteress. So what passage is that, Pastor Brian, and
what would you say to anyone thinking that that's the case? So,
going to Matthew 19, the Pharisees also came to Jesus
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testing him, saying to him, is it lawful for a
man to divorce his wife or just any reason? So,
basically they were wanting to justify the fact that they
were doing that very thing.
Ah, and so he answered and said, Haven't you read
that he who made them at the beginning made them
male and female, and said for this reason, a man
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shall leave his father and mother be joined to his wife,
the two shall become one flesh, so they are no
longer two but one flesh, therefore what God is joined,
let not man separate.
And they said to him, Well, why then did Moses
give a certificate of divorce? And he said to them,
(32:04):
Moses did this because of the hardness of your heart.
For that reason, he permitted you, permitted you to divorce
your wives, but from the beginning, it was not so,
and I say to you, so Jesus is now kind
of resetting, he's recalibrating the command, you know, uh, originally,
(32:27):
this is what God said, a concession was made because
of your hard hearts, but now,
Things are going back to the way they were intended
to be. That's pretty much what Jesus is saying there.
And so then he says, and I say to you,
whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, so this
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is the this is the out, and of course it's
sexual immorality on in this case would be the part
of of the wife. So a a wife is unfaithful,
then the man because he's addressing the man.
Um, is free to divorce, um, except, uh, but, but
without that exception, um,
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If one marries another, they commit adultery, and whoever marries her,
who is divorced, commits adultery. Now, in one of the gospels, um,
it's worded just slightly different and it
And maybe that's the one you were thinking of, Brian
where it um.
(33:33):
It actually makes it sound like uh.
You know, adultery would be on the part of the
person that was sinned against.
And we know that that is not the case. Which
translation did you read in? I'm using New King James, right?
Oh yeah, because I, it kind of reads like that
to me too here a little bit like whoever marries her,
(33:55):
who is divorced, so the guy committed adultery, they divorced
and whoever marries her also commit like I, I hear it,
but that's not true. OK, 100% not true. But, but
then there's another, there's another one where it's like, I
mean it sounds like the victim is.
Like guilty guilty, but I think what Jesus is doing there, um,
(34:18):
because of course he's not gonna hold the victim guilty.
I think what Jesus is doing there is he's compounding
the guilt of the of the person who commits the sin.
So for the man.
He's, he's saying you're not only committing adultery, but you're
forcing someone else to commit adultery. That's not by by
(34:39):
them being remarried later. You're, you're forcing them to commit adultery,
but that adultery is not on their head, it's on
your head, so it's like a double judgment is what
Jesus is saying. Mark 100 Mark 10:12, yeah, yeah, and you're,
you're correct, yeah.
Very good, Alicia, thank you for calling in today on
Pastor's Perspective. And now let's go to Jeff and Menefee.
You're on with Brian Broderson and Phil Metzger. Thanks for
(35:02):
calling 888-564-6173.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
What's going
Speaker 1 (35:05):
on, Jeff?
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Hey, good afternoon guys. First, I just want to say
thank you guys
so.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Well, hold on, your phone's cutting out and you're thanking us,
so we want to make sure we hear that loud
and clear. So, uh, get, get yourself in a good
cell spot so that we can hear this. Nice and slow,
nice and slow, yes.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Yeah, no, thank you guys so much for this ministry.
I've been listening to you guys for years and I
just love it. I feel like I learned so much.
people calling in and asking the questions. Um, the first thing,
I just wanted to, uh, follow up. There was another
caller and I think his question was if in hell,
if there's the understanding of self-identity.
(35:46):
Right. Mhm. Um, of self-awareness, and I just wanted to
say that maybe when Jesus told the story of Lazarus
and the rich man, the rich man asked Abraham if
he can send.
Um
Lazarus back to tell his brothers about this place so
they could avoid going to hell. Um, so it seems
(36:06):
that if he was aware that he had brothers on earth,
he had some kind of awareness of who he was.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Yeah,
Speaker 2 (36:12):
that's good.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
I don't know if that. No, that's a good, that's
a good point. I think that's a great point. The
only thing I would say, and not to say that you're,
you're wrong on that, um, the context there would be, um,
would not be the lake of fire. So, you know,
there's before the final judgment lake of fire that is
(36:34):
yet to come in the future, uh, people are in
a conscious state of torment, but, um, it would be
not to the same level that we would say will
be the lake of fire. So I was thinking more
of the lake of fire, but it's a good point
that you have, and I think, yeah, that that that
could extend that, yeah, exactly. So.
Good job, Jeff.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
didn't get to my, my main question, um, is, it's
just been something that I've kind of been thinking about, uh,
for a while, you know, just to kind of satisfy
my own thoughts of things and stuff, but, um, and
I know that.
I always learn in church that, hey, the, the Trinity, Father, Son,
and Holy Spirit, they're a perfect love. There is nothing
(37:17):
wanting or needed outside of that by them, you know,
it's perfect.
Um, but my kind of thought question on it is,
is if that was the case, um, would there have
been any kind of need or desire to create beyond
the Trinity, by the Trinity and my kind of
(37:37):
allusion to that is God made man in His image, um,
he made Adam, but then after Adams, you know, goes
through all the animals and, you know, looks around, God
says it's not good that man should be alone. And obviously,
that wasn't an afterthought to God. um, so it would
seem that he made him the one way.
(37:57):
For a reason, and then, um, then, you know, made
that statement, that's not good, that man is alone, and
then he created Eve out of him. And because man
was made in, especially Adam in God's image, is that
any kind of allusion to the fact that
The Trinity God, Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit did
(38:18):
have kind of some desire, or I don't mean to
say need, but I just, I'm not good at articulating
any other way, that there was some kind of need
and we do feel a need in God.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Well, I, I want to first of all commend you
for thinking about all of this stuff because this is
great deep thoughts, this is great, deep, you know, theological
thinking and I'm gonna just say one thing and then
I'm gonna pitch it to Doctor Phil who is here
in the room. Um, no, but I, I, I think you.
I think you nailed it on one aspect and then
(38:55):
slightly missed it on the other. And I think the
word desire is right. I think God did desire, but
he did not desire because he needed, he desired because
he wanted to share who he is with other beings.
So what do you think, Phil? Yeah, I mean, God's driven,
(39:15):
the Bible is really clear. What drives him is love.
And um, I was, I'm reading this book, um, the
CS Lewis book on the Four Loves, and it is
a great book, and this is the, he says, God
who needs nothing loves into existence wholly superfluous creatures in
order that he may love and perfect them. He creates
(39:37):
the universe already foreseeing the buzzing cloud of Lly Zena.
He does all these things and it's wholly out of
his love. It's a great book and it, but it's,
it's expressing the idea of what the Bible is already
telling us that
And this is a really important kind of, I think,
to the point you made, Brian, why this is such
a great deep thought. You
You're nailing it on the head that like God wanted relationship.
(40:00):
Um, he didn't like, so when Adam saw his need.
Yes, he's made in the image of God, but he
is not God. We gotta, we gotta see the the
separation between there, right? God is wholly sufficient in in
in himself, always, the Trinity.
When he made man, he didn't make us wholly sufficient
(40:21):
in ourselves. He actually made us in need of him.
And in need of others, like from the very beginning
he put us we needed work, we needed purpose, we
needed hope, we needed joy, and these things were gonna
happen on an external, they're not found in us, we
were going to
Um, there were gonna be hours outside of ourselves. So
(40:44):
another reminder of God making Eve why we shouldn't forget
our wives' birthdays. OK, just I'm just circling back to
that thing right there. But, so, but, so God didn't
make Adam because he had a need, but he certainly
created Eve because Adam had a need. God made us
because he wanted and wanted relationship. Yeah, and you think
(41:04):
of that like, um,
You know, within the triune God, Father, Son, and spirit,
there's eternal love, and then at a certain point they're like,
you know what, we gotta share this. This is too much. Yeah, yeah, we,
we gotta pass this on. But you know, the, the,
the text of scripture that pretty much I think just
answers the question is Act 17, you know, when Paul's
(41:27):
speaking to the philosophers on Mars Hill.
And he's talking about the God who made the world
and everything in it. He's Lord of heaven and earth.
He doesn't dwell in temples made with hands. And then
he says this, nor is he worshiped with people's hands
as though he needed anything since he gives to all life, breath,
and all things. So that that that that says that
(41:50):
he didn't need anything. And that passage again is Acts 7.
2525, yeah, very good, Jeff, thanks for your phone call
today here on Pastor's Perspective. I love those. I mean
that's some good deep thoughts. Leyla in San Diego, thank
you for calling 888-564-6173. How can we help you today?
(42:14):
So, uh, thank you. Um, um, I have a question
because this, um, like a continuation of the previous caller's, um, question. Um, so, uh, everybody,
it's because, uh, it's about marriage and rela relationship. So
because it's in the Bible, right, that it's not good
(42:36):
to divorce, right? But um, and also forgiveness. Uh, but
Uh, what if
Mm, um, it's been like the husband that's been doing
it again and again, like adultery. And, um, for example,
(42:57):
if the wife is um exerting effort um to have, uh,
you know, the relationship back, but then the husband doesn't
have
That
Uh, not anymore, you know, the, he doesn't respond.
Mhm.
(43:17):
So, um, He doesn't respond, meaning what?
It he doesn't care. He, he doesn't reciprocate your love, yeah,
and it says, it says here that your daughter found
divorce papers in his car.
Is that accurate, yeah. But, but up to now, he's
(43:42):
not doing it because he doesn't want to pay. Yeah.
Have you confronted him?
About this
About your, yes, but he said he doesn't want to pay.
He doesn't want to pay.
So he wants to get a divorce when.
It's financially
(44:04):
More
Um, he said, um, it's up to you, um, and
because I asked the lawyer, and then he said, um,
the lawyers, the lawyer asked, um, what does your husband want?
Does he, does he want legal separation or divorce? And then, uh,
(44:25):
I asked him, and then he said, oh, what do
you want? I'm just going by my day like that
while washing his hands, so.
Sounds like he doesn't want to be the bad guy.
Are you, are you? Are you together with him now still?
Uh, we were in the same house for, um, you know,
(44:47):
and then right now, October, like, right, this month, I,
I'm renting a room. He's renting a room, yeah. He
is or you, yeah, I think she said she is
you're renting a room or he is?
Me, me. And how old is your daughter?
Oh, the, my youngest is high school. OK, so she's
(45:10):
still a minor.
Man, well, Leila, we are so sorry that you are
living through this, and this is so sad.
And um
I mean, you haven't really mentioned, you know, whether your
husband's a Christian or not, but I mean, he's certainly
not behaving like one. So I think it, it, I mean,
(45:34):
as to whether he's still, you're asking, is he still
in a relationship? I don't know if you've asked him
and if he said that, but he, he, from everything
you just told us, he is obviously uh kind of
done with the marriage. And so,
I guess the the best thing we could encourage you
with is to know that uh you're free, you don't
(45:56):
have to stay in that situation. If you, you know,
through prayer became personally convinced that God was telling you
to hold on, then then you would need to do that.
But you don't need to feel bound like I'm not
going to be a good Christian if I, you know,
move myself out of this.
This difficult thing he has committed adultery that appears to
(46:20):
be a fact. And so that in and of itself
frees you to move on like we said to the
other person that called today you can move on with
your life in Jesus and know that God will be
with you and he'll bless you, you know, whatever you
do as you move forward serving him, so.
And I think I can, if I could just say
like kind of an ugly ugly reality to your situation
(46:42):
is like you have rights, you know, here, that you
won't um have until you do move forward with some
legal action. So I know that might sound ugly and
you're like, I can't be the one to go forward,
but so right now you're out there renting a room,
you're and you're you're probably like getting nothing and there's nothing,
(47:02):
no financial benefit or or support.
And that means, you know, you're probably gonna have to,
and he's he's making you do this, and we're saying
that
Then you, then you do have to be the one
to kind of move forward a little bit so that
you would, you know, be able to financially support yourself.
And we, we've seen many times over where there is
a situation where um
(47:24):
The the person who's wanting to end the marriage doesn't
actually want to have the responsibility for having ended it,
so they make your life as miserable as possible so
then you are the one who pulls the trigger and
then they're like, hey, I, I didn't divorce them, they
divorced me well.
(47:45):
Guess what? God knows, yeah, he knows all of it, so, and,
and so does everybody else, you know, seriously.
So, in Laya's case and with our earlier caller, it's
that verse in Malachi that people go back to God
hates divorce. So, Layla's here saying, I want to be
a good Christian wife, God's gonna, God hates divorce. Does
(48:07):
that mean God's gonna hate me? No, I mean, the
answer is no, I.
Because God hates lots of things. He hates adultery too, right,
and he hates, uh, a loveless marriage. He hates the
idea that you would stick around only to spite the
person that you made a commitment to. That's, that's evil. Layla,
thanks for calling today here on Pastor's Perspective, and again,
(48:29):
everyone listening and watching, please keep Layla in your prayers.
888-564-6173. Hey, we've got two Steves on the phone. Eeny
Meeny Miny Moe. All right, this Steve, you win. And
uh Glendora, what's your question for us today on Pastor's perspective?
Steve, you there? Go ahead, go ahead. Now we hear you.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
OK, great. Uh, my question is about, uh, in Mark 15,
when Jesus says, my God, my God, why have you
forsaken me? I'm just wondering the correlation between
That in Psalm 22, where he's the Psalm of from
Psalm of David, he starts with that. I'm I'm wondering
(49:13):
if Jesus declared this just as out of just utter
anguish over just why have you forsaken me, God, or
is he really trying to lead people like a bread
crumb to Psalm 22, because I think Psalm 22, if
I'm not mistaken, is um
Talks about, I think talks about prophetically about Jesus and
(49:35):
and him being the savior, you know, so I'm just,
is he saying that to lead them as a bread
crumb to go see that and I'm, I'm thinking that everybody,
maybe that is hearing this would, since they know scripture,
maybe they automatically think of this or it's amazing if
that's what he's doing.
Speaker 1 (49:53):
Yeah, um, uh, you know.
I guess we, we just have to speculate on it
a little bit, but I.
I don't think
I don't think Jesus is saying, OK, I'm gonna say
this right now because then everybody's gonna go home and
get out their psalm scroll and then they're gonna, yeah,
(50:13):
then they're gonna find it. Um, so I think it
is more just, you know, so Psalm 22 is a
prophecy for sure. It's a Messianic prophecy, it's a prophecy
about Jesus, um.
And these, these are the things that the spirit revealed
to David, you know, centuries earlier that the Messiah would experience.
And so Jesus is just doing everything that the, the
(50:37):
Holy Spirit said that he would do in the, in
those circumstances. But I, but I think it's interesting because
even though he says, um, Eli Eli Sabatani, um, the
people listening.
Don't totally get it because they think he's calling for Elijah.
(50:58):
So they're, you know, so if he's trying to get
throw the breadcrumb out, it didn't work. I think what's
happening here, right, is that like when Mark, when Mark
writes this.
The Holy Spirit gives wisdom and understanding. So then now
we all benefit from that bread crumb, right? And, and
(51:20):
who knows? I mean, maybe there was somebody who who
understood who understood that, yeah.
Yep. Good question. That helps, Steve.
Speaker 2 (51:29):
That helps. Yeah, I was wondering, I figured the Pharisees
there would, would maybe make the correlation like immediately.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
Yeah, they have, yeah, maybe, but maybe not, you know,
I mean, these guys, you know, they, they kind of got,
you know, they've got the living word right in front
of them who has been missed that they're probably gonna
miss the right, thank you, Steve, and you know what,
we've still got time, so let's take the other Steve too,
calling from West Covina watching us on Facebook. Let's wave
(52:00):
to Steve. What's your question for us, Steve?
Thanks for taking my call. Um, my question was, is anxiety, um,
Something that the enemy uses as a tool against us,
or is it also because of the fall of Adam
and Eve at the beginning? I was just curious if
it was one or the other or both because it
(52:20):
feels like this is something that I've been living with. OK,
like through my whole life and and it's, it's.
When it comes, it's, it's like it stops everything. When
I finally get through it, I'm like back on my
feet again and then it comes again and I'm I'm
taken out again. Yeah, so brutal debilitating, brutal, sorry to
(52:43):
hear that, Steve.
Um, yeah, I think it's both. I think it is,
it's part of the falling condition and some people are
vulnerable and prone to it for a variety of reasons.
You know, some people kind of want to put anxiety
sort of in this category of, you know, psychological whatevers
(53:03):
or emotional, and I think there's a, I think there's
a physiological connection uh for some people for sure who
just have a, um,
A vulnerability within their constitution toward anxiety and therefore don't
have a whole lot of power when it comes to
controlling it, you know, um, but then I do think
(53:24):
and and I'm talking from experience, I've lived with anxiety,
so I know, I know exactly what it is. Um,
and then I do also know from my own experience
and I think from what I've seen in many other people.
There are times when the enemy will definitely use it.
It's a, it's a, it's a like a weapon in
his hand against us. So, um.
(53:46):
And you know, in both cases, I mean, you're, you're just,
you know, you shut up to the Lord. Thank God
we live in a time when there's actually help medically
where people can, you know, get medications and things that
can be very helpful. You know, Phil, one of our
dear friends, um.
Who you actually inherited the ministry from him in Hungary
(54:11):
because he was unable to continue because of severe anxiety
and part of it was spiritual part of it was
physical and yeah so so Steve, God bless you, my friend,
we hear you.
And um, you know, if you, if you get treatment
(54:32):
through a doctor, that's good, especially if it's helpful, and
but also know that, um, you know, I wrote a
little book on spiritual warfare, and I talked about anxiety,
depression and things like that. And I said, one of
the things I said in there, you know, there might
be
Different causes ultimately it could be a number of things,
(54:55):
but one thing that it will always be is there
will be a spiritual component to it for a believer,
so you have to treat it spiritually as well. Some
people just say just treat it spiritually. I think that
cannot be that sometimes helpful.
But never leave out the spiritual. That's right. Yeah, good word,
(55:16):
really good. And I'm glad you mentioned that because a
lot of people are in that camp. Still, uh, nope,
if you go see a psychologist or anything like that,
those are the people that never lived with it. Yes,
that's the truth, to put it mildly. Steve, thank you
for calling in today to Pastor's perspective, and again, if
you
Can make it a point to pray for Steve. So
(55:37):
many prayer requests, so many things that people are going
through on today's episode of Pastor's Perspectives. So maybe go
back and listen to it later and write down the
names of each of these people who called in today
with their, uh, concerns, with their, uh, dilemmas that they
are going through. God bless you guys for Brian Broderson
and Phil Metzger, I'm Brian Perez, and we'll talk to
you next time here on Pastor's Perspective.
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